VS | Revan & Malak vs Bane & Zannah
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- The battle of the reborn Sith, Darth Revan and Malak of the old, Darth Bane and Zannah of the new. If these two generations of Sith ever met in open conflict, which team would come out on top?
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0:00 - Character Introductions
6:28 - Physical Abilities
12:36 - Force Abilities
25:20 - Dueling Abilities
39:49 - The Final Verdict
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SOURCES
MOVIES
The Star Wars Saga
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NOVELS
The Old Republic: Revan
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The Darth Bane trilogy
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COMIC BOOKS
Knights of the Old Republic
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Jedi vs Sith
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VIDEO GAMES
Knights of the Old Republic
Knights of the Old Republic II
Star Wars: The Old Republic
SOURCEBOOKS
Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force
Book of the Sith
The Jedi Path
Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide
Dark Side sourcebook 
Развлечения
Malek: "There should only be two,"
Revan:"What the heck happened to you. You've been ranting about that ever sense we killed Bane"
Trey Hall 😂😂😂😂😂 that essence transfer is a bitch
Revan's Google History:
*How to help your Apprentice cope with Essence Transfer*
*Is Bane possessing Malak*
*Bastilia art*
*How to use Niman better*
*How to balance both sides of the Force in yourself*
@@DoubleBoost23 googles how to use niman better, only finds his own tutorials
@@Julian-pw5mv
I like how *_that's_* the part you chose to question.
Help me get Malak back!!
Revan, swinging his lightsaber: "If I stab you with this would you die ?"
Bane: "It would be extremely painful."
Revan: "You are a big guy !"
Bane: "For you."
Noice
Noice!
Noice.
This is now rule 34 is made
Noice
To those who think Bane successfully dominated Zannah with essence transfer:
"You might think this is strange - an author “spoiling” his own work. But the truth is, I never intended this to cause so much confusion out there. I knew that no matter who won, Bane or Zannah, I would have people angry at me. But I didn’t want to take the easy way out and dodge the question. I wanted to provide a definitive answer… and I thought I did. Yet some readers are still confused, and I feel I owe it to them to provide that closure (even though I know some of them will be angry at me for killing off their personal favorite).
So, who won the final confrontation between Bane and Zannah?
I’ll be honest; I thought it was pretty clear in my writing. I wrote the scene from Cognus’s point of view to keep you guessing to the last instant, but when Zannah proclaims “Darth Bane is gone. I am Darth Zannah, Dark Lord of the Sith and your new Master,” I thought it would be pretty clear.
The whole thing with Zannah’s hand twitching was only to show that some part of Bane had passed through to her. How much - was he still “alive” in some way, or is it just a small part of his identity imprinted on her - was supposed to be the ambiguous part. But I never wanted people to assume Bane had taken over Zannah’s body successfully."
_Drew Karpyshyn_
hey man, what about a fight between
vader and his aprentice starkiller
and anikin skywalker when he evil, but not in vader suit. and the emperer after lightning being shocked in his face
Antoine Bandele
I'm about to watch this and.....I pity Bane and Zannah this is just......a good idea but Revan and Malak on a team together is.....well just.....O.P.
i think malak at the end of the knight's of the old republic is a better duelist than darth revan not the revan who returned to the light and malak was a coward who fired at revans ship not in one on one combat
Well tons of other sith killed their master in that fashion. Pleguies killed Tenabrous by calapseing a cave onto him. Sidious killed Pleguies in his sleep. And Bane destroyed most the brotherhood of darkness with trickery and a thought bomb.
Malak was smart to take the opportunity, Revan let his guard down and payed for it.
Antoine Bandele that was definitely helpful because I was one of those guys that didn't believe he lost. Probably my all time favorite Star Wars character (Bane)
you can never say enough about revan.......period
I agree with you that Revan wankers can be a migraine (I am a migraine sufferer so that is saying something) but from my personal experience, Maul wankers are the worst wankers in the Star Wars community (way worse than Revan's) and Windu wankers can be just as bad.
I never played TOR mmo, thoughI saw several videos from it, but I will without any hesitation admit, that Revan is my favorite character in star wars. I played both Kotors and it was there when I find this character really interesting and unique, because in his way he is. I know no other sith or jedi in star wars universe, with such complex and rich history, from both dark and light side, with all his accomplishments and failures. Perhaps this is the main reason, why he is so popular among so many people. And haters like you can do nothing with it. So deal with it. Revan certainly is not invincible, but from what I knowabout him, from games and other sources, he surely is among the strongest characters of all star wars history, making him one of top tier. This is simply because of his skills and abilities. Not because wankers as you said. I certainly can live with the fact, that you dislike this character, as you have your own right for it, but insulting others who like him, only show your self in the same light, like those wankers, about which you complaining. Because many star wars characters have his, as you said "wankers", those who can be really easy with insults to other people.
Raghuvar Vasudev Maul wankers are a thing??
Star killer fanboys are worse. You should se the comments on his Maul vs Star Killer video.
He's easily the most overrated star wars character ever.
Bane felt second to revan throughout his life and even admitted that he couldn't utilize most of revans abilities in his holocron. That alone should give u ur answer.
The fact Malek was immune to Zannah’s spells of fear and madness.
I have a problem with this, as it is never stated what kind of abilities Revan possessed
@@KumaoftheForest see thats the thing he's immune to it because he has too much of it already!
@@iceomistar4302 thought bomb entered the chat aka an inescapable black hole of pain.
@@cruximperator
Thought Bomb is a suicide move though.
Revan will always have a special place in my heart. Still love both KOTORs.
I would love a hd remaster or remake.
Unfortunately I never played it but I played battlefront 2 so just as good
same my two favorite games ever, I still hope we can get a KOTOR 3
Same here. I ussed to like Star wars Saga, but far far away from being a fanboy. But when i played Kotor (1 and 2)... man, Revan It is just too amazing.
@@AntoineBandele your wish has been granted
Much of what made Bane what he was was knowledge from Revan's own holocron. Revan also has more experience. While Bane saw battle with Jedi on a couple planets, Revan was battling Jedi, Sith and Mandalorians alike all over the galaxy for years. He's seen everything. He's learned from everything. And even if an opponent was evenly matched in the beginning, Revan would slowly but surely steer the fight in his direction until his victory became insurmountable.
"Revan had discovered many of the ancient rituals of the Sith" It's not like he invented them, he discovered them, just like Bane did. Not that I necessarily disagree with you, just that small point
Vitiate..?
Not to mention Revan never truly fell back to the dark side's influence once he broke the Emperor's spell/domination.
Revan and Malak had *far* more experience fighting as a team, playing off each other. Bane and Zannah had only one real fight where they were fighting side-by-side, and even then there wasn't much coordination. Revan and Malak spent years together fighting the Mandolorians and the Emperor on Drommund Kass. They must have made quite a team.
I feel like Revan and Bastilla might have been more interesting since Bastilla and Zannah both use double bladed lightsabers, but it was still an amazing video.
Brian Watson I prefer Satele Shan. I’d love to see the match up of Revan & Satele vs Bane & Zannah
Revan and Satele have no synergy. They lose. I think it's important to not underestimate zannahs force capabilities. As a character she doesn't get fleshed out very well yet she has a stronger will then her master who has undergone things that would break many. Malak is I would argue the lesser combatant. However his unique skill set as outlined by Antoine plays a unique counter to hers.
Bastila is really nothing special, she would most likely boost Revan with battle meditation, at which point Revan makes mincemeat out of Bane and Zannah.
@@goroakechi6126Nope without the Revan Malak Synergies Bane and Zannah would clap Revan. The Darkside Sourcebook said Bane is more superior of a duelist. The only reason Malak and Revan can defeat Bane and Zannah is because they know sorcery well.
jessie zhang
Revan boosted by BM would be smarter and more powerful than he already is, and would most likely take out Bane first, then him and Bastila would take out Zannah.
Look at Revan now. Reduced to a gimmicky boss in SWTOR.
Peace is a lie.
KafkaIs Chaznable we can fix him via KOTOR film
Steven Irizarry you trust Disney, much less the cunt in charge of Star Wars, to not ruin anything else in this franchise? I’d rather keep the old KOTOR lore untampered with, than milked to death and stained with another shit Star Wars movie
(Reluctant agreement)
Evan Kurasu
That comment was made long before TLJ or TROS.
KafkaIs Chaznable Yeah, but the rest of the storyline, cutscenes and gameplay is SWTOR is nearly as good as that in KOTOR.
"Revan was the Steph Curry of the Sith." Anton, never change.
Antoine* (pronounced Ann-twan)
And I never will.
Phone autocorrect. mb. Keep up the good content!
now who would malak be in the NBA??
@@christianvilla7647 DeMarcus Cousins. All talk, injured easy, seems like a really good player until you start thinking about it.
christian villa Kevin Durant
I like how Revan and Malek won all the round but sill took sooo long to win,
There is a team dynamic at play.
This one was ALOT of fun friend. :)
I'm going to compare your analysis of Darth Bane and Antoine's identify the similarities and differences for their lightsaber skills and force abilities.
Thanks!
You guys should totally do a collab!!! Also I neeeeeeed more battles with Cade Skywalker xD
Win or lose, all four of these Sith would be good challenges for any and all of Darth Sidious's apprentices.
True.
Agreed.
Antoine Bandele studious apprentices don’t really stand a chance honestly especially revan malak bane I don’t c anakin Dooku nor maul hve a complete enough arsenal to beat any of them with Dooku not enough raw power maul not enough use of force Nd anakin being to cocky Nd character flaws along with lack of study Nd tutelage in the force
@@6sols988 that's the problem when you compare the expanded universe to the movies, there's just a wealth of force powers and uses that Anakin couldn't even access
Imagine maul dooku and Vader vs Sideous. The would be cool.
"You the real MVP!" LOL still gets me
;-)
What do you mean Revan is least favorable in a physical contest, Revan beat Bastila into submission multiple times (force is irrelevant since she was depleted and backed by the star forge) who is a more impressive specimen than Zannah with her Ventress comparable offense, however thanks for remembering Revan's experience with the Echani, not to mention the anti force tactics he taught to his insensitive agents, Atton Rand among them. Let us not forget Revan's sustainability, cutting his way through the Star Forge, then Bastila, then the Extermination droids, THEN Malak with the home field advantage.
Dude this was Revan before he was mind wiped
@@exile6688 I don't seek an argument since I wrote said comment 6 years ago.
@@edwaiwood2416 Thats the glory of the internet age. You can get dragged into an argument for a comment you made a decade ago.
Or Fired
0:00 - Intro (in case you couldn't find it)
6:27 - Physical Abilities
12:35 - Force Abilities
25:19 - Dueling Abilities
39:48 - Closing Thoughts/Verdict
time stamps for me and anyone else who needs them
Revan and Malak vs Obi Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker?
Please
Carlos Jimenèz in your opinion is Vader stronger than Revan
Nope, also depends on what vader we are talking about, the young vader who was truly a blade master had his flaws deadly flaws. But those flaws are actually Obis strenghts like in the battle of mustafar, Obi exploited vaders arrogance, poor planning and lack of using the enviroment the only thing vader was was strong, ramming into his opponents and ending the fight quick. So would be cool to see them fight as a pair against some of the moste experienced sith ever.
Vader is not stronger than Revan, just compare all their skills and feats. Revan is stronger and lot more versatile in the force. Also Malak is very strong in the force and in dueling. Obi has tremendous defence, but thats about it (meaning in terms of fighting). His strenght in force si negligible compared to Revan and Malak. Vader maybe able compete in telekinesis (although I still think he his somewhat weaker than Revan), but he has huge disadvantage in vulnerability to forcelightning. They would lose to Revan with Malak.
Chip Dale at the force Revan is stronger as a duelist I think Vader has a very little edge and physically I think they are equal because Revan is very fast but if Vader makes a few hits he may take him down.as a whole i think they are equal so I ask other people for their opinion
as the lightning I think Vader won"t be that much damaged because he can absorb it with his lightsaber
To those leaving longer comments ... I will get to them soon. I've only been on mobile at Jury Duty today. But once home and at a computer I shall get to everyone.
plz do Palpatine vs Vitiate/Valkorian
Octavian Hubbabuba done before. sidious wins because of his natural power, where vitiate's is synthetic.
Valkorian/Hero of Tython/etc are pretty much OP at this point to be honest. Campaign Vitiate is basically a hologram, he even said it. Most of his strength was towards the Eternal Empire. Trust me, DLC Vitiate/Valkorian is pretty much Sidious level and HoT is basically Mace Windu at this point in the story. I'd love to see them used in match ups. But you know, versus guys don't like them...
Probably even greater than Sidious honestly. As far as canon goes anyway. He can do some pretty intense shit on a whim. And has been around for around 1,500 years. Even Plagueis says that he only finally died in his own time. Even Revan who is better than Bane was utterly whipped by Vitiate. And I wonder if Vitiate was even physically present at that time either. He said he only created the Empire to sick it on the Republic, weaken them both, and crush them with the Eternal Empire. Frankly, Valkorian being stabbed in the back by Arcann was pretty much the same thing as Sidious being grabbed by Vad
The problem with it isn't so much not liking Vitiate or HoT, Vitiate is
completely far game to use, seen lots use him, but it's more that the
HoT is kind of unusable. There is nothing truly canonical about them
other than certain key points in their story. There is nothing concrete
on who or what they were, how they fought, how they used the force, ect.
Revan and Jaden Korr kinda used to be that category until we got some
extra-game source material for them but as far as I know, the HoT
remains completely undefined.
The battle of the reborn Sith, Darth Revan and Malak of the old, Darth Bane and Zannah of the new. If these two generations of Sith ever met in open conflict, which team would come out on top?
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CLARIFICATION ON VERDICT: No this is not a stomp or even near a stomp. Each of these ten matches would be extremely close. A stomp is something like Sidious vs Savage Opress. An 8/10 verdict still can infer several close matches. The mark up of these numbers are simply an illustration of advantages, not overall skill or power.
Any rating ... whether 9/10, 8/10, 7/10 doesn't mean much without context. Just like simply saying "so-and-so beat so-and-so" without context doesn't give anything to work off of. Or looking at a Rotten Tomatoes score for movie reviews at face-value but not taking specific reviews and reasoning into consideration.
There is a context that led to 8/10 and it was not because the fight was not equal or that it was a near stomp. Heck even a 10/10 does not constitute a stomp, simply that one party has more advantages than the other. That's all the point system relates to, advantages, not power scaling. My matches are more than just looking at the final result, just like most matches in Star Wars are never about the final result but the steps getting there.
UPDATE: To those who think Bane successfully dominated Zannah with essence transfer:
"You might think this is strange - an author “spoiling” his own work. But the truth is, I never intended this to cause so much confusion out there. I knew that no matter who won, Bane or Zannah, I would have people angry at me. But I didn’t want to take the easy way out and dodge the question. I wanted to provide a definitive answer… and I thought I did. Yet some readers are still confused, and I feel I owe it to them to provide that closure (even though I know some of them will be angry at me for killing off their personal favorite).
So, who won the final confrontation between Bane and Zannah?
I’ll be honest; I thought it was pretty clear in my writing. I wrote the scene from Cognus’s point of view to keep you guessing to the last instant, but when Zannah proclaims “Darth Bane is gone. I am Darth Zannah, Dark Lord of the Sith and your new Master,” I thought it would be pretty clear.
The whole thing with Zannah’s hand twitching was only to show that some part of Bane had passed through to her. How much - was he still “alive” in some way, or is it just a small part of his identity imprinted on her - was supposed to be the ambiguous part. But I never wanted people to assume Bane had taken over Zannah’s body successfully."
_Drew Karpyshyn_
it's the force shall me that the lase verse
Antoine Bandele please do hk47 vs ig88 it well be your first versus with droids
Actually this is my first one with a droid:
ruclips.net/video/zXV43dI47KQ/видео.html
It would still be a awesome vs plus who dosing love hk47
I do want to use HK47 at some point in the future.
Wow.... that verdict honestly took me by surprise. I thought for sure Malak would be the weakest link, falling to Zannah quickly. However, I see the logic in your analysis and it has definitely raised my opinion of Malak substantially. A phenomenal video.... seriously, you just keep improving and getting better and better. I know I say this on most of your videos, but it's warranted here.
I honestly didn't think you could get any better in terms of presentation and production values, but alas, I was wrong. You keep innovating and pushing the boundaries on what is possible in VS videos and that's something I need to improve upon myself.
Also, I believe that this analysis is your greatest/ strongest yet. Though I do have one problem: I personally believe Zannah is a better Soresu practitioner than Kenobi. She is a stone wall, but she's also able to advance her offensive sequences with ease like her duel with Johun and Sarro. She was also a skilled tactician; positioning herself to get an environmental advantage on Tython, playing her opponents against one another, and leaving one of her adversaries alive to weaken the other's fighting style even further. So I personally believe that Zannah would and could kill Malak, but I do agree that Revan > Bane. Regardless, a perfect video nonetheless and well done as always Antoine!
***** True, very good point. However, I don't think he'd be able to break Zannah's defenses. Still, he's a great lightsaber combatant.
Yeah, both this and Jensaarai1's Darth Malak vs. Yoda video have made me think much more highly of Malak. Do you think that you would ever use Malak in a video?
HEMA Sparring Stuff Yes, I have plans on using Malak, but wayyy in the future.
Cool!
***** Oh right... for some reason I completely forgot about Malak's force abilities haha. Yes, you are right; Malak could use his powerful force powers to push Zannah on the defensive while still attempting to subdue her with his own offensive. Still, I believe Zannah could hold on and wait for the perfect moment to counterattack (which she is skilled in incorporating into her defensive walls).
Zannah vs Johun Othone: "Were it not for the big man's brilliance, she would have quickly switched to an aggressive sequence and easily dispatched the smaller man." -Rule of Two
Zannah vs Sarro Xaj: "In contrast, the man before her, massive though he was, would still die if her blades caught him. He had to guard against her counterattacks, his style less aggressive so he didn't leave himself vulnerable." -ROT
Zannah vs Set Harth: "In their short encounter, she was presented with at least a dozen opportunities to land a lethal blow to the silver-haired man." -Dynasty of Evil
"When he moved back in, she twisted her lightsaber in a sharp, unorthodox move, hooking one of her blades onto his and wrenching the weapon from his hand." -DOE
I think these quotes from the book prove that not only can she quell powerful offensive maneuvers, but that she can also have devastating counterattacks when errors in her opponents' fighting styles present themselves. Since Malak has mastered a mostly offensive hybrid and since he had lost his jaw due to Revan finding a problem in Malak's fighting style and exploiting that by cutting off his jaw. I think Zannah could perform a similar feat to a much more devastating degree. Though this is just my interpretation of it :)
Plz do darth sidious vs Vitiate. the battle of the emperors
That would be insane.
Evan nova has done it but that was before Vitiate came back. Plus I enjoy his reviews less tbh
Lewis Adcock EvanNova95 did that one a few years ago actually
Aren't Vitiate and Valkorian the same? That's my understanding anyway.
Antoine Bandele Yeah they are. Vitiate ''made'' Valkorin and the empire so that he could rule the galaxy but you know, plot convinience killed him
CLARIFICATION ON VERDICT: No this is not a stomp or even near a stomp. Each of these ten matches would be extremely close. A stomp is something like Sidious vs Savage Opress. An 8/10 verdict still can infer several close matches. The mark up of these numbers are simply an illustration of advantages, not overall skill or power.
Any rating ... whether 9/10, 8/10, 7/10 doesn't mean much without context. Just like simply saying "so-and-so beat so-and-so" without context doesn't give anything to work off of. Or looking at a Rotten Tomatoes score for movie reviews at face-value but not taking specific reviews and reasoning into consideration.
There is a context that led to 8/10 and it was not because the fight was not equal or that it was a near stomp. Heck even a 10/10 does not constitute a stomp, simply that one party has more advantages than the other. That's all the point system relates to, advantages, not power scaling. My matches are more than just looking at the final result, just like most matches in Star Wars are never about the final result but the steps getting there.
Antoine do "Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Maul (TCW)
Carlton Watkins soon.
***** I'd rather hear it from Antoine.
Very well said Antoine.
This is kinda one sided I mean Bane is damn powerful but he is no match for them. in my opinion facing any other team they could have had a huge advantage however they're essentially dealing with two very trained powerful and battle hardened Masters Of The Darkside whom aside had Jedi training and possibly techniques under their belt. still at the end of the day he was very enjoyable fight keep up the great work!!
Excellent analysis as always Antoine, you covered all the points I hoped you would, and some I had not considered. Very entertaining video.
Thanks.
Durge vs. James Heller
what a great reward from surviving another day at school. Go Bane and Zannah!
You livin' in Europe/Asia?
England specifically.
been waiting for this exact Battle. good Job Antoine!
Meo!
Antione you're amazing this is one of your best videos yet keep it up
Thanks Ryan.
Imagine this ending with Revan and Ban me walking out together. 2 visionaries. I can only nerd out so much...
An excellent duel! I couldn't have done better myself!
Darth Vader vs. Darth Zannah: The Sith Juggernaut vs. The Sith Sorceress.
I would like to see the best of the two Sith of their specialized classes to fight. I've also thought about this battle for some time too. I feel like with Zannah's mastery of sorcery it can either work really well or really bad against Vader. Essentially, I think it would be a wild card.
The best way I think Zannah could employ her sorcery is to attack Vader's memories. She could show him all of his misdeeds and lowest points of his life (his mother dying in his arms, him choking Padme, etc.) These could erode at Vader's will somewhat.
On the flip side, if Zannah does use sorcery against him and does use his memories, it could come of as a grandiose Dun Moch tactic. Don't forget that Vader associates those memories with someone whom he believes no longer exists: Anakin Skywalker. And Vader absolutely hates Anakin Skywalker. Zannah may suffer the boomerang effect of this tactic, only adding fire to Vader's rage and digging herself into her own grave.
This needs to happen
99thJediWarrior You're kidding, right? Zannah digging up Anakin's memories would be the worst possible thing for her to do. Even if she can hold on against Vader's devastating offensive, even if she can withstand his immense Force power, dredging up the very thing that gives Vader his unrelenting fury would enrage him and increase his power and skill a hundred thousandfold. She'd be rend asunder by Vader in mere seconds.
Vader does have powerful mental defenses as he feels little shame and guilt (by the time of ANH), and I think the boomerang effect will happen.
Darth Vader could be in constant turmoil, but I actually agree that using Sith Sorcery and Spells on him would dangerously backfire. He would become dangerously enraged whenever someone even mentioned Pademe's death. And she was the only true fear that he had, nothing else had a emotional trigger for him: not Shmi Skywalker, not the jedi he killed in the temple, not Qui-Gon Jinn, not Kenobi. His emotions regarding Pademe were guilt, not fear.
Also, Sith Sorcery was a power that Darth Sidious was well versed in. And he would have private collections describing it very well. Darth Vader did intend to kill Sidious and become the sole running Sith. Although his plans never fell-through, he did prepare for a confrontation with his master. So it stands to reason that someone as pragmatic as Vader would have studied Sith Sorcery to prepare himself to fight against it. Very much like Darth Bane did.
Darth Zannah's spells would be either useless against Vader, or cause him to lash out at everything around him indiscriminately. The purpose of these illusion waste distract people, and leave them exposed to be killed. If Vader almost literally released an explosion of emotional-imbued power, Zannah would probably be atomized by the intensity.
Even is she could use her Dark Tendrils, they probably would not be able to affect Vader very much. The Tendrils were described as consuming all living forces, and Vader's was much more inanimate than organic. Also, pain was even more familiar to him than Darth Bane. So he would lash-out with telekinesis to choke Zannah and blast he away at a whim.
Showing Vader his memories wouldn't be good idea, Vader hates His Past, and most importantly himself, showing him his memories would make him stronger
amazing video as always Antoine! cant wait for the next one!
Thanks Drippy
Do I sometimes come here just to listen to the intro, but then stay because the whole video's so good? Yeah.
I clearly did not give Malak enough credit. Great video, as always.
Thing with the rain feat
1. It's stated that he was moving in a pattern. Not actively defending against each drop
2. Lightsabers are known to create massive afterglows which would likely evaporate the drops they came into contact with. TPM Kenobi has been credited with creating a full shield out his blade via afterglows.
3. He *still* wasn't able to stop all of the drops.
It's a great feat. But people over blow it way to much
You'll never hear after glow arguments from me. I think they are very flawed and inconsistent from author to author. Sometimes I feel the community over complicates certain feats. If we really out ourselves in Karypnshyn's shoes as he wrote that sequence ... What we are supposed to take from that scene is that Bane is a capable defensive fighter when need be. Trying to equate the passage with other pieces of lore with different writing styles and hyperbolic language breeds inconsistency.
Put ourselves* (on mobile can't edit)
These are always so awesome, well thought out and cited. Kudos Antoine
Thanks Ross! Much appreciated.
This is prehaps your best versus yet Antoine!
Thanks. It's definitely one of my favorites, not sure if it's my _most_ favorite though.
That was a pretty great video, man. Though, now I'm kind of curious about a match between Anakin & Obi-Wan vs Bane and Zannah. Forms III and V at their peaks clashing against one another. Sounds rather exciting.
Anywho, keep up the great work, Antoine. Looking forward to your next video.
Now that's an idea!
infinitesheldon That is an awesome idea!
Fuck, that is a good idea.
Yeah I'm debating that . . . that was my original intention. Maybe _that_ could be my first animated battle but after talking to a lawyer I could find myself in trouble animating Star Wars specific fights.
Antoine Bandele Yeah, legal stuff like that gets really dicey. I'd love to do Star Wars animations, but the moment you start making even a penny off of that kind of stuff, you can get in some pretty big trouble.
Hooray for Revan
The amount of work, research, time and effort you put into to these is truly respectable.
Subbed!
You tell the best lore I have seen in very long vids as well.
I truly enjoyed this.
Thanks Dichotomy!
Great video! I always find Revan a intriguing character and fighter.
Is there's a possibility of Revan and Malak vs Sidious and Vader in the future?
I think Revan in his prime could take Sidious as his abilities are perfect counters to Sidious's own. As far as Vader vs Malak, Evannova did a video on it, although I do think he short changed Malak a bit. If its Malak vs Sidious, I actually think that Malak could hold his own but ultimately lose. However, Vader vs Revan would be way closer and longer. So either way, Malak loses bringing down the team.
only in his prime though any other time they would lose badly and i'm a revan fanboy xD
Ima be honest, I don't watch/read any Star Wars other than the big movies, so I don't understand everything you say but I think you really do a great job of describing what goes on in these videos. 😀
Ps sorry I posted it on your thread on accident, I took it off and put it here:)
That's great to hear! I would hope anyone could enjoy it even if they might not be familiar with all the franchises I cover.
This was great.
For a moment I had my doubts about who the victors would be, but was very pleased with the outcome. :D
Good job, Antoine.
Thanks Newb
Damn...that had to be the best damn Star Wars Intro I have ever seen. Also, I agree with your final decision, your studies were quite thorough.
Thanks Jesse.
How about starkiller and Rahm Kota vs anakin and ahsoka
It's gonna be a long while before I do another team match up. It was difficult to do.
Antoine Bandele just consider the idea. Picture the fight in you r Mind
do a tournament
yes revan one of the most powerful jedi and still my favorite jedi in alll star wars lore
always has been for me and always will be he is the best :)
Such a good video Antoine that after watching it 30 min ago I decided I needed to rewatch it.
Ah snap!
Antoine Bandele A masterful presentation of the strengths of these characters and how they work as a team.
My two favorite sith duo , either way im happy :D still love tout analysis :) keep up the great job
Merci Alxandre
I had little doubt in this outcome: while Bane and Zannah's powers grew from decades of hiding in the shadows, Revan and Malak's prowess were crafted in eight years of _open conflict._ Nice analysis, my freind.
Of course, there are a few things missing from Bane and Revan's feats, particularly their defenses:
1. Bane's dark side cocoon, which she used against Zannah in their first duel on Doan. He didn't have his lightsaber at the time, but that didn't mean he was helpless.
2. Revan's use of tutaminus, which he must've remembered after regaining the memories implanted in his mask.
In terms of telepathy, Revan could use Drain Knowledge on unwilling subjects. He once did that on The One in order to learn the Rakatan language as well as force Basic into the latter's brain. Kreia must've taught him that trick, because she used that on Atton Rand in the Telos Academy.
Also, I'm sure no one has forgotten that Force Crush ability Bane used on Qordis. Major stuff.
As for Malak, he seems to have had a better grasp of the dark side than Revan, as far as the Star Forge's full capacities are considered. And according to the Jedi Exile's vision on Korriban, when he was a Jedi, he learned tutaminus and Force healing. Furthermore, the Mandalorian scientist Demogal records Alek's remarkable ability to withstand torture: www.unboundworlds.com/2012/10/star-wars-shorts-the-secret-journal-of-doctor-demagol/
Meanwhile, looking forward to any future Versus videos.
realy? I thought the reason why Revan never used the starforge but on bare minimum is because its corrupting effect, after all it destroyed the rakatan
Ákos Kovács
According to Malak, Revan only saw the Star Forge as an "enormous factory"; an "infinite fleet roaming forth to crush the Republic."
DarthWill3 Uhhmmm... Malak was a typical arrogant sith so him saying Revan didn't realized the full potential of the starforge seems a standard"I'm better than you!"talk,and again this is the starforge,not the most wise thing to turn it up.
Maybe, but he also said this: "You continue to amaze me, Revan. If only _you_ had been the one to discover the true power of the Star Forge, you might have become truly invincible."
it's like like to point out the infinite engine in SWTOR, that Revan invented.
Very good
I am a simple mind, when I see Reven in the title of an Antonie Bandele video I like it before the advertisement even ends...
Hah
Great Video Antoine. This sure would be a dream match up :D.
If only I could have these animated!
I knew my boy revan would come out on top as always :)
Awesome video, best one yet imo. I liked the shout-out to DarthAnt66. I don;t know him personally, but he's a friend of mine via the internet.
Thanks Bane.
Antoine Bandele
You're very welcome.
Disappointed in you Bane/Mason. ;)
Having Bane as your pic, and considering your name, you should know you beat Revan, especially DARTH Revan. You're more comparable to Revan Reborn.
TinyTorah
Nah, Bane is somewhat overrated imo. I just liked his story and character, which is why I chose him as my youtube name. Darth Revan is comparable imo, and Redeemed Revan and up are flat out superior. I can't remember who you are, obviously I know you because you know my name. Based on your name here, you're either Vasili or Noah.
I'm not entirely sure tbh. As I think Darth Revan still has some comparable feats and hype to match Bane.
What an awesome episode!!!
Thanks Kersun!
Antoine, this is a very good vs video. Keep it up.
Thanks san
You should do a Revan vs Sidious. Both are like polar opposites. Revan being the heart of the Force and Sidious being a Black Hole. Sidious would probably win, though I believe it would be a much closer fight than many suggest.
Based on Sidious' feats alone, I think Sidious has this one. And it would be a stomping too. As much as I love Revan.
Revan is going on a long break after this year.
Antoine Bandele is sidious really tht much more powerful than revan maybe I’m missing something but he struggled with Yoda correct?
@@6sols988
Revan is closer to Vader(or in his level) than Sidious. Sidious should beat him in a decent fight. Revan would last a little more than Maul, nothing else.
Juan Laise legends Palpatine or canon
20:58 where did you find that painting? It's beautiful.
Credits in the description.
Your videos are always good, but this was was REALLY well done
Thanks decor, much appreciated.
another awesome video
Thanks Stuart.
Even Kreia admired Revan's power, and the only known adversaries to him are Vitiate and perhaps Nihilus
I would love to see Revan and Malak vs Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma.
Team one stomps. Malak was stated to be far above Kun. Ulic isn't above Kun. If this is Revan Reborn, he can take out both of them.
That would be a really good one!
@@lordeon3968 Kun had way more abilities at his disposal and was a better Duelist than Malak. Malak used a good offense and he wasn't good on the defensive side of dueling
Either of them beats both Kun and Ulic.
@Exar kun The dark side cosmic entity Why not?
You know what, this vid is perfect, and awesome!!!! May the force be with you
Thanks! Where is your name from?
Antoine Bandele im from vietnam
That's dope! I was trying to figure out how to pronounce it.
Vietnam's language is difficult to pronounce, my friend
Wow. Great video Antoine
Thanks Mr. White.
you're welcome
That Steph Curry note drop! Revan = MVP!
OH! And an MTG Mind Rot drop too! Shit just got real!
Hah!
Yeah, this played out almost exactly as I expected. Darth Zannah just doesn't stack up in this contest. Not because she's not skilled or powerful, but the nature and caliber of her opponents in this case leave her scrambling to keep up, let alone try to dominate. Great video.
Edit: I'd just note that if Bane could maneuver in such a way as to keep Malak between him and Revan he could potentially pierce Malak's comparatively lacking defense and take him out of the fight, bring it back to a one on one, though I see this as unlikely given Revan's tactical skill and intuition and the years of experience the two have of working as a team.
Even if he was able to pierce Malak, he'd lose to Revan in a 1v1.
Oh, I agree 100%, I'm just suggesting another way it could have played out, but I don't think Bane could beat Revan in a one on one.
I see where your coming from with Bane trying to switch things up and go up against Malak, in order to get an advantage on Revan, but you should take into consideration the thought of a duel between Revan and Zannah.......In terms of saber abilities, yeah it would take Revan some time getting passed Zannah's defense, but Revan's not dumb enough to prolong a fight with Saber combat if it's going to leave him at a disadvantage. If anything, he would switch to his force abilities and overpower Zannah. Her Sorcery would not be able to work against him, and literally has nothing on Revan in terms of the force.
The question in your scenario is who would hold out longer: Malak or Zannah.
Well, in that scenario I'm not sure, I favor Malak's longevity but Zannah could potentially hold out, even if Revan switched to his Force abilities she could defend against him, if not quite match him. However, I was actually referring to the point in the fight after Zannah fell, and Malak came to reinforce Revan and the fight became a 2v1. However, your point does make me think. One advantage Bane and Zannah have, is that they know a lot more about Revan and Malak than the other way around. They have the advantage of history, Bane even studied under Revan's holocron. It's entirely possible that Bane would recognize the threat they faced and opt for a more tactical approach and try to focus on Malak and bring him down first, even if that means condeming his apprentice to almost certain death.
Absolutely amazing to see your analysis on Malak (one of my top favorite SW characters) and how you didn't low ball him at all. Most people underestimate him but none really know of what he is truly capable of, glad to see you do and I'm glad to see that other people are able to because of this great video you've made.
Great video! While I am not a big fan of Sith I was really looking forward to this video. Was worth the wait! And that Pokemon pic was funny!
I didn't realize how long it had been since I've used a Darth. Making the pokemon picture was fun!
I expected (and wanted) the Revan team to win, but I certainly didn't expect 8/10 victory! I was expecting something more along the lines of 6-7/10. But the overall verdict of the team winning was my expectation.
I'd say it's an 8/10 mainly due to Zannah. She's a serious weak link here.
Agreed, Zannah won her duel against her master because she was in a dark side nexus that allowed her to use her tendrils otherwise Bane would have won.
That would be true if it has not been stated that Zannah and Bane are equal in power.
@@129das Yeah, but power takes many forms.
Can you do Mace Windu vs Darth Maul? Also please do keep all of these vids coming they are awesome
Windu would rip through Maul like we paper towels, specially the tcw version.
Titan Supremo well, in the Son Of Dathomir comic, Mail was show to actually hold his own against both Windu AND Ayla Secura. Though the fight was interrupted by Death Watch.
*Maul
Mace > Maul for me. Vaapad is a bit more sustainable than Juyo. While both can siphon, one constantly is reflecting.
Skill wise I see them on par with Maul having a small edge.
Congrats man! This was an amazing video.
I give it: 9/10, needs more Grievous.
Grievous returns this season.
Antoine Bandele grevious vs revan
Great video. I especially feel you did Revan and Malak good justice, since they are some of the most interesting, yet underrated or at least less well-known characters in Star Wars.
Depends who you speak to. They are either grossly overrrated or mildly underrated.
I’m inclined to agree. Her defense was amazing, but it left the rest of Zannahs style severely lacking. Bane is one of my favorite Sith, but with Revan + Malak combined against him victory is simply not feasible.
Wonder if that means Revan and Exar Kun would be an interesting match-up. Both Niman users, and proactive vs reactive XP
Yeah I'm considering doing this. Possibly as a dueling only scenario.
Bit late bit I'm begging for this
Amazing video Antione 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Pearl.
No problem
I agree and great vid bro!
Thanks Majesty.
Another thing I could definitely see happening is Malak destroying Zannah's saberstaff, he definitely would have experience dealing with them and the hilt of a saberstaff is a pretty big target
A housing made of Phrik alloy would work just as well, and look baller doing it. But yeah, the fact that no one has done that never made any sense to me considering how long saberstaffs have been in use. Maybe something to do with the design.
Saberstaffs can be super effective but if you're trained to counter them they can be easily destroyed, the only two I remember that negate this were Darth Mauls which had two separate mechanisms and Exar Kuns which was the length of a regular hilt
Yeah. Why doesn't anyone do that? it seems like an obvious solution.
I'm sorry, I respect you a lot Antoine, in fact you're my favorite of the Forcecast, you're intelligent, you make high quality videos, and you seem like a really nice guy, but I heavily disagree with this verdict (which I doubt surprises anyone who knows me).
Even assuming Zannah's sorcery is useless (which I disagree with), she still wouldn't lose to Malak. KOTOR Malak needed heavy augmentation from the Star Forge just to compete with KOTOR Revan and he still lost, whereas Zannah was able to hold her own against Prime Bane in lightsaber combat and match his command of the Force. And this incarnation of Revan is simply too far before his prime to actually beat Bane in his prime, with Bane having the greater dueling feats, Darth Revan's knowledge plus that of Freedon Nadd and Sorzus Syn, and quite frankly he just has better displays of lightning and telekinesis.
So no, I don't agree with your verdict that the strongest incarnations of Bane and Zannah lose to the weakest incarnations of Revan and Malak, even though I respect the work that went into this video.
I look forwards to your future videos, and I'm sorry if I came off like a dick in this comment.
I agree antoine seems to not realised zannahs sorcery doesn't have to completely dominate the victim for it to be enough for her to win the fight. Even if Malak was only stunned by her sorcery for as long as Bane was if they are in close quarters of mid range of each other zannah can easily striker her opponent down in that time. The only reason she didn't end Bane that way was because she just jumped backwards several times to create some distance between them so Bane couldnt overwhelm her with a lightsaber.
I disagree because I'm the chosen one and I'm right
To Emperordmb
What would be your counter to Malak's Force fear immunity. True she could make him feel pain, but we've seen the sort of pain he has gone through. As stated, her spell could give him pause, but I really don't see anything that says he'd be taken down by her spells, especially when he was a specific skill against it.
With regards to Revan, he's not going to be much different from what we saw in his later novel, especially when considering the sort of compliments he was receiving from Scourge, the same sort of compliments Jedi Masters and Sith Lords were giving to him. Again, speculative, but I did warn of this at the start of the video. You're arguing from the stance of concrete feats rather than building out the world from accolades. A different type of analysis but that was the parameters setup from the start.
To banethesithari
Same as I said above with regards to Malak. In Bane and Zannah's final fight she describes this:
"Zannah watched as Bane huddled against the ground, his lightsaber flailing wildly at invisible ghosts, but she didn't let her concentration falter. Bane's mind was strong; if she let up even for an instant he might break free of the spell."
_Dynasty of Evil_
Now you might simply disagree, but Malak's mind would just be just as strong based on the rituals he and Revan conducted, his ability to be on Malachor V without getting swallowed hole and eventually his use of the Star Forge. To me these showings suggest probably has some substantial willpower, even without a novelization describing such concrete feats. Zannah would not be able to do what she did to Sarro Xaj, casting her spell and then stabbing him when his guard was down. She'd need far more concentration against Malak. But again, there in lies a potential, simple disagreement of Malak's resistance levels.
*"What would be your counter to Malak's Force fear immunity. True she could make him feel pain, but we've seen the sort of pain he has gone through. As stated, her spell could give him pause, but I really don't see anything that says he'd be taken down by her spells, especially when he was a specific skill against it."*
I think the notion that having an RPG statistic saying "immune to fear effects" means Zannah's sorcery would have no effect on said person is overblown to be honest.
1. I seriously doubt any of those RPG/Campaign guides take the advanced level and complexity of Zannah's spells of madness into consideration, as she does not appear in any of them. It's more than likely this statistic refers to the much more basic power/skill tree of Force fear/Force horror/Force insanity, telepathic abilities Bane has a grasp on and considers simple, whereas he regards Zannah's dark side sorcery as being complex and difficult to comprehend (even while underestimating the depth of Zannah's sorcery). So Zannah's spells of madness are well beyond the "fear effects" being considered in these sourcebooks.
2. Characters who have been credited with immunity to fear effects in sourcebooks have demonstrated before that they are not in fact immune to fear effects. Yoda still struggled with the fear effects of the priestesses, Windu with nightmares on Haruun Kal, and Obi-Wan with the Sith artifact on that Sith planet plaguing him with fear and a series of nightmares following the clone wars, despite the fact that all were considered by the Clone Wars Campaign Guide to be immune to fear effects.
3. Darth Bane in his extensive studies of Zannah's sorcery discovered that the only true counter to Zannah's spell was willpower. And to put this into perspective, Bane trained among the brotherhood of darkness, all of whom were stated to be highly mentally trained in Dark Forces Jedi Knight, and Path of Destruction confirms this by demonstrating that the students at the Korriban academy were trained in highly advanced telepathic techniques such as force meld (as Githany demonstrated leading a bunch of other pilots) and memory walk (as Bane demonstrated on a rancor on Lehon). On top of this the Force users of the era were stated to be skilled at telepathic combat in Dark Forces Jedi Knight, and Githany as well as many of the Sith masters trained under the Jedi at one point or another (with Githany even demonstrating a Jedi telepathic ability to Bane at one point). On top of this, Bane has acquired the holocrons of Darth Revan (one of the people stated to have "immunity to fear effects"), Freedon Nadd (who was stated to know every Force ability displayed in TOTJ media, with some of the TOTJ characters being "immune to fear effects", and had all of Naga Sadow's knowledge, which includes a lot of fear based sorcery), Sorzus Syn (One of the most knowledgeable Sith ever) and Darth Andeddu (a skilled sorcerer, illusionist, and pioneer of essence transfer). To recap, Bane was trained in Jedi and Sith techniques in an era with quite a bit of emphasis on telepathic combat, acquired the holocrons of four of the most knowledgeable Sith in the Mythos, two of whom are confirmed to have knowledge of this "immune to fear effects" ability, and all of them being masters of telepathy and mental attacks. Hell Bane himself even has knowledge of the common fear effects abilities, and on top of everything spent time researching extensively on how to counter Zannah's sorcery. This all leads to two possibilities; either Bane with all of his knowledge and intensive studying never came across this ability that's apparently so widespread 2/3 of the named force users in these campaign guides are credited with it (most of whom are much less knowledgeable than Bane), or the ability itself has no use or significance in regards to Zannah's spells of madness. I believe the latter is far far more likely as for the former to make sense there would have to be some weird Illuminati conspiracy shit going on with several teachers and creators of holocrons spread out across galactic history actively making an effort to conceal this relatively common knowledge from Bane.
*"With regards to Revan, he's not going to be much different from what we saw in his later novel, especially when considering the sort of compliments he was receiving from Scourge, the same sort of compliments Jedi Masters and Sith Lords were giving to him. Again, speculative, but I did warn of this at the start of the video. You're arguing from the stance of concrete feats rather than building out the world from accolades. A different type of analysis but that was the parameters setup from the start."*
I'd have to disagree even with your stance of building stuff up from accolades. Based on an accolades Malak, Redeemed Revan managed to at least build himself back up to his level of power he held as Darth Revan, despite having none of the rather insane quantity of dark side knowledge Darth Revan possessed (which when learned by Bane in POD caused a rather tremendous power growth). I have difficulty believing Darth Revan is so close to Revan Reborn when Revan Reborn is essentially a Revan who was already on Darth Revan's level without his immense amount of Sith knowledge with the addition of said Sith knowledge.
Also Banes Dueling ability is higher then Revan or Malak. Kas'im his master and personal trainer was not only known as the best swordsman in that galaxy at that time. He was also a master of all lightsaber combat, Dedicating his life to be the best Duelist in the galaxy. Bane may have not defeated him in the duel in the end due to the 2 saber style be unfamiliar in the end, He was winning the fight until that power. Revan is a powerful duelist but to say he could defeat bane would could defeat a master of the saber in all forms I just can't see it.
Nice one :D
Thanks!
That's awesome! I had a feeling that this would be the final result, but I think this would have been the most entertaining fight to watch out of all the others so far. Right up there with Mace vs Vader.
Jar jar versus yoda in a singing contest!
Yoda would not stand a chance
Ooh that’s a good one
can you do more malak versus series, like darth Malak vs darth Maul?
Joshua Kei that sounds really good IMO
Joshua Kei darth malak
Star wars Base malak>maul
Darth Nien nunb nah Maul is way better then Malak
Malak stomps
great vid, looking forward to you and jensarra's Scourage Vs series. I think he was a very interesting character, I wish there would have been more books with Scourage in them. again great video
Fo sho.
@Antoine: Am I dreaming, or did this matchup really happen? Wow...
Thank you very much for this matchup. You have likely answered a major Star Wars vs question here.
Hah
As usual a great video particularly the editing which was top notch. I do disagree with you on several points though.
14:23 Bane was capable of doing way more than that with his lightening. In rule of two he casually turned a drexl into nothing but charred bone and its rider to ash with one blast of lightening. This being before the 10 year time skip so bane had barely over a year of training at that point. In dynasty of evil it was stated bane would of turned multiple mercenaries that ambushed him to ash had his powers not been weakened by the huntress. then later in his first fight with zannah in that novel his lightening disintegrates a large part of a stone wall.
19:00 Revan is not on vitiates level...in the revan novel vitiate was toying with him and then completely overwhelmed him with a blast of lightening and this was before vitiate got two massive boosts in power on Yavin 4 and ziost.
23:30 you've completely misunderstood that quote. It's foreshadowing the thought bomb of cause Bane doubted he ever dare use it because it would kill him. Just because Bane could barely wrap his head around some of the abilities revan knew doesn't mean much as bane hadn't even had a years worth of training at that point.
You say you doubt bane can match revans raw power yet every ability both commonly use Bane has far superior feats such as tk and lightening. Heck in the shadow of revan expansion cut scene just before the fight starts revans force push doesn't even instantly kill the none force users it hits...How is revan going to outsmart bane ? if they were leading armies against each other then sure revan outclasses bane in grand strategy but that is completely different to strategy. Revan has displayed nowhere near the same levels of ability with strategy as he has grand strategy. In his fight with vitate is only strategy was to try and get in close then made a dumb mistake of trying to catch vitiates lightening with his hands. In his fights in the foundry and on yavin 4 he didn't even target the none force users and immediately kill them first then take out the weaker force users till only a few remained. He just tried to blindly fight everyone at once and temporarily in incapacitated each of the force users fighting him till he lost. Though i have no doubt revan was a good strategist there is a huge difference between being good and being as skilled as revan is with grand strategy.
Yes zannah had pretty poor offence with a lightsaber but she didn't to because her standard strategy was to hold off a defence until her opponent tires so she can go on the offence or makes a mistake she can exploit (either due to exhaustion, human error or inferior skill). I think saying there isnt even a 1/10 chance malak would tire out or make a mistake zannah could exploit before malak finished her off is absurd. Especially due to how much better soresu is at conserving energy. Malak would have to completely outclass zannah in terms of endurance for the chance to be less than 1/10. Also zannahs sorcery doesn't have to completely dominate the victim for it to be enough for her to win the fight. Even if Malak was only stunned by her sorcery for as long as Bane was if they are in close quarters of mid range of each other zannah can easily striker her opponent down in that time. The only reason she didn't end Bane that way was because she just jumped backwards several times to create some distance between them so Bane couldnt overwhelm her with a lightsaber. Also i doubt Malaks force abilities would do much to zannah considering Bane never even attempted ot use any on her in their fights.
You're assuming bane has such a slim chance of overwhelming revan despite revan having never fought someone a skilled as bane with a saber (as least no one who can compete with him in terms of power int he force as well) people seem to underestimate banes skill with a blade. He wasnt just a master he went well beyond that i'd say almost like obi wan with soresu or dooku with makashi who are a whole other level beyond mastering their preferred forms. Even zannah a master duellist in her own right admitted bane was way beyond her with a blade and she would never be able to be his equal with a lightsaber and to prove that wasnt zannnah underestimating her self or overestimating bane in the duel part of their fight he completely dominated her. People seem to assume a master of niman has as good defence as a master of soresu, the overwhelming offence of a master of djem so, the precision of a master of makashi and so on but this isnt the case. Niman specifically isnt as good as any of those forms as what those forms are best at. If a master of soresu like zannah gets completely overwhelmed by banes offence then how can revans inferior defence stand up to him ?
Edit: another point you went on about how much revan knows yet you never mentioned bane not only learnt from darth revans holocron but he was also able to add the knowledge of Freedon Nadd, Belia Darzu, and Darth Andeddu new about the dark side from there holocrons meaning he has a huge advantage in knowledge of the darkside over Revan.
14:23 Seems a tad petty. I made it rather clear how powerful Bane's lightning was.
19:00 I specifically said Revan was _not_ on Vitiate's level, so I'm not sure why this was written.
23:30 Even in _Dynasty of Evil_ Bane was not doing any of those rituals. And in _Rule of Two_ he was struggling with his holocron. Darth Revan had only proclaimed himself a Sith Lord for no more than two years, though it's likely closer to a year and he got his holocron done, discovered the Star Forge and reinstated Korriban. Unlike Bane, who took near a decade just for his holocron. Even so, after this little bit I specifically said that Bane not having his head wrapped around rituals is irrelevant to active combat.
Most of Bane's lighting-charing feats were against non-Force sensitives. Oh wait ... I think I responded to you about the points of speculative reasoning in a comment below. Yes, in fact I did.
Considering that Zannah's offensive output was only effective against someone like Set Harth, yes, I do not believe that's enough to take out Malak, who was essentially considered the best duelist during the time of the Mandalorian/Jedi Civil War. And it's unlikely he'd fall to fatigue when he could adjust to a less exhaustive style, plus he should have substantial stamina considering he played vanguard for two wars. So yeah, for me, the chances are more likely in favor for Malak than Zannah in that regard.
Never once in my video did I say "niman has a good defense as a master of soresu" and all the rest you wrote, nor did I even insinuate that. The angle of my argument was the aspect of timing and tempo. I don't believe Revan some-god-tier-OP destroy-and-defend-against-anything type of character, but it's his ability to adjust that makes him so effective, especially when Malak is listed as a better pure swordsman. That's the beauty of a true Niman master, they aren't great at one thing, their just solid in everything. Not sure how you got the idea Revan in this video was a master defender or attacker, when I made a point of the exact opposite, especially in the verdict when I stated that Bane's turn to Juyo would likely tax Revan, as the curved hilt would give him the slight varied and nuances blade strokes to hinder Revan's pre-cog. The only round where I may have given credit to Revan's sheer talent was his Force abilities, and that was based on accolades from characters who knew him on both sides.
As far as the holocron thing, that was VERY condition for Revan and Bane. Unlike Revan who would have had training from the true Sith Empire and access to their holocrons as a guide for his own, Bane had little access or resources for making holocrons at the time.
banethesithari This was very interesting comment how would you rank bane compared to other sith? like do you think he is top 5 or top 3 in terms of the most powerful sith?
Monarch57 I'd say bane is top 10 though it's kind of hard to specifically rank someone in the top 10 as most of them are all so close overall. My top 10 in no particular order is sidious, plageuis, bane, krayt, valkorian, exar kun, caedus, Vader, zannah then probably wyyylock III though I change my mind of the 10th person alot as it's so close
Is totally agree on Zannah it's does need to overwhelm you to be effective.. And another thought that never factor in any of his team battles bane is always alone
"Ive been waiting for this day for a long time" (*Kylo Ren voice*) sorry for the cringe.
No cringe here. I quite like Kylo.
I still dont get how you dont have more subs man. You do *amazing* work
Pfft. I have plenty!
I don't always agree with all of your points but i do enjoy your videos. The difference between our opinions makes watching these even more interesting actually. Oh and style and editing wise your shit is still on top of course.
Yup yup.
Again, an excellent video Antonie! While I partially agree with the overall outcome, as I do see Revan and Malak as the stronger team, I would be more likely to buy it if we are using Revan Reborn. Revan Reborn in my opinion is closer in level to Bane (who would have had pretty much the same amount of success against Vitiate IMO) while the Darth incarnation of Revan is often overrated in my view. Like you said, much of his feats at that time are accolades which are conferred in second or third hand accounts, if even that. It's basically a Tulak Hord situation. When going into such hypotheticals, while I respect your efforts, they simply do not carry the same weight for me as as more concrete facts. So I wasn't as able to enjoy this one as much as the others, although that is not really an error on your part. I would question though why again you has said that Revan was effectively a master of all seven forms when that HAS NOT been stated anywhere. Yes, we know he would have been skilled in all of them. However, that does not equate to mastery. Yes, he would have been a master of at lest two of them to know Juyo. Yet again, that does not equate to mastery of all of them. Extending from this, I don't agree with your view of Revan being the "MVP" of lightsaber combat in this bout. Yes, Revan was more generalized and versatile which allowed him much more to work with. But in my view, guys like Malak and Bane would have an edge over him because they are more specialized in Forms that are specifically geared towards lightsaber combat. Since we are using Bruce Lee quotes, one that I think is relevant is "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." In my opinion, Revan as a Niman user (supplemented by all the other Forms) is spread too thin in his skills compared to more specialized fighters. This would go in line with his character, as he is more of a Consular/Sorcerer than a Guardian/Warrior. You analysis of Revan as swordsman, in my view, is affected by you trying to compensate for the idea of Malak losing his jaw to Revan in a saber fight. However, I don't see this as a proof that Revan straight up beat the supposedly better Malak in lightsaber combat alone since we are neither show nor given deals of that fight. It could very well be that Malak was the better fighter, but Revan just used his superior Force powers to knock him down and then followed up with a saber to the jaw.
That's a general problem with characters from rpgs like Revan,The Exile ect.... the game have to leave room for the players to do the story line in ways what they want,fight however they want.play the game the way they want.Yes they have feats with some details but lots of vagueness must be.There people who say Revan was an absolute master apex of saber on par with yoda and mace,,but then Drew said in an interview that the exile is probably better which is quite funny since he was the who ruined the character,it becomes quite messy sometimes.
Bottom line is Both your and antoine's interpretation could be true but until there is no novelisation of Kotor(which probably never gonna happen) we not gonna know for sure.
Just be careful with Revan fanboys,they bite!
Oh, Revan fanboys are a cancer at this point.
Read darth ants thread, it goes over revan's lightsaber skills.comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/darthant66/blog/revans-lightsaber-abilities-overview/97613/
codesuzakugeass I know all about Revan and have already talked with DarthAnt in the comment section, although it was less than productive.
Psychonis Though you cannot ignore evidence.
Revan v nihilus? Please
nihilus I'd say being one of the most powerful sith lords in history though uni must say revan has better skill with a lightssaber
drake semancik I'm pretty sure Kreia said at some point that revan was far more powerful than nihilus
I'm pretty sure she didn't she said the ancient sith could defeat the current sith (4000 bby)
Idk much about them but if Revan can survive force drain, he wins, if he can't then Nihilus wins easily.
r very few could ever resist nihilus's force drain I mean he wiped out all jedi life on a planet because of every last jedi save a few I mean I only see people such as yoda sidious or vitiate being able to counter that or mother talzin
yess a long episode thanks you
Not the norm at all. I try to keep these as condense as possible but still offer insight.
Quite understandable and I appreciate the verbal support but I also have to be realistic about what the site's analytics tell me about my viewership.
Is the next versus video really Snape vs McGonagall? Oh hell yes! That is something that I've really been wanting to see. Cannot wait!
Hey you're the first to notice
Vincent Escolano
That wasn't a legit duel. In a neutral arena with nobody to interfere, it could go either way.
As for Shaak Ti vs Dooku; my money is on Dooku but it would be a difficult win. I'm not sure about Shaak Ti vs Kenobi.
He's said Revan and Alak multiple times. I can't handle it.
You do realize Malak was not Malak until he was a Sith right? Before taking on the Sith title his name was Alek, aka Squint. You can see this in the KOTOR campaign guide and the KOTOR comics.
Scotty Davidson Why is that hard to handle for you? His real name from birth was Alek. Check the frickin' lore, and you would know this. Malak only became his name AFTER his fall to the dark side. Anyone familiar with the KOTOR lore knows this to be fact.
I posted this three months ago. Who gives a fuck.
Obviously you for bringing it up when you were incorrect.
@@AntoineBandele i actually never knew that about malak i've always known him to have malak as his name didnt think it was anything else lol learn something new everyday about my most fave star wars of the entire franchise
Although you did a great job in analyzing them I was sad that the team I was rooting for lost but good job.
nice vid!!!
Thanks!
love the match up please do more team match ups in the future
bane and zama vs darth krayth and nihil
Luminara unduli vs Aayla secura vs Adi gallia plzzzzzz
Colin Jewett I'd say Luminara would win.
Aayla would easily win
Colin Jewett ooooooh, this is a good one
I always want to see more of Luminara is these versus series. A terribly underrated Jedi she is.
Indeed. I think all Jedi in this matchup are quite underrated
I love these vids
Thanks Jo