Led Zeppelin: Did They Steal The Songs from their 1969 Album? Led Zeppelin Decoded: Part 2
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- Decoding Led Zeppelin Part 2: Did Led Zeppelin Write Their Own Material? Launching Led Zeppelin!
Hey everyone!
Many have claimed that Led Zeppelin was the world’s best cover-band. What do they mean by that?
What is a cover-band? A cover-band is a band that usually does ‘covers’ of songs, or in other words, they don’t write their own stuff!
On a local level, this usually means more money, more gigs, because your average bar attendee, would much rather listen to something familair!
What does all this have to do with Led Zeppelin? Well, many claim that many of their songs, especially on their first 2 albums, weren’t actually written by them!
What songs off their first album weren’t actually theirs? Who was Jimmy Page looking at as a possible lead singer for Led Zeppelin? And just how do you launch a Led Zeppelin?
Easy! You need Thrusters! And it’s all covered in tonight’s video!
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Michael Noland
The Bottom Line
Love the content and your approach to presenting it! Very good stuff bro✌🤘
Thanx so much Lucas! Dive on in, the water’s fine!
We have some great people commenting, and many of them go off on their own tangents with each other with no help needed from me!
The Tribe is strong my man!😉❤️👌
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine well, I just left a little tangent lol✌🤘
I, too, am sick of hearing that tired trope claiming Zep was a "cover" band who depended on "stolen" music. Anyone who understands music history, particularly in blues and Americana music, knows that it was an accepted practice to take music and/or lyrics from what came before, and work them into new songs. It may not have been "right", according to modern legal standards, but it was a common practice. It's also probable that LZ did not always get the best legal advice on these matters.
I firmly believe that if Led Zeppelin had not become such a huge success, everyone who made such a huge kerfuffle over supposedly "stolen" songs would not have gained much, if any, traction. Jealousy of musical peers, hurt feelings of critics who couldn't make an impact on the band, or its fans, and our increasingly litigious society made it popular to do anything that might bring the mighty Led Zeppelin down a peg. History shows that none of that worked.
If anyone still has doubts about LZ's creativity, they need to listen to the originals, and previous cover versions, of the songs in question, and compare them to LZ's material. It's clear that each of these songs becomes something new and quite different!
It's also evident that as LZ grew and matured as songwriters, they depended less and less on "borrowed" material, and more on original compositions. If they were *just* a cover band, why did they stop doing covers?
What a wonderful response, Debby!
As I’ve stated elsewhere in the comments tonight, these critters who think themselves critics ALL knew this was going on! They never brought it up, or if they did, they brought it up very gently!
1. They wrote the articles because the articles were assigned to them!
2. They an hour or two on research for the article, WHILE listening to their albums
3. Therefore never getting the music, because they weren’t REALLY listening!
4. They typed it out, along with 3 other assigned articles in a single day!
5. And thought themselves our conscious???
I think not!
Thanx, Debby!👌😉❤️👍😎
Deb,you and me both!Give old Mickey a break,...some one will b***h about it,...
I agree!
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine her response was spot on! I agree!
Absolutely!
Thanks for the shout out! What your doing here on this channel is everything I was looking for. Great Video, you threw some details out there I didn’t know about! And I’m always looking for new info about the story of zep so it’s much appreciated!
Thanx, Dylan! Too many documentaries on this wonderful band all seem to lock into the same ol’, same ol’! I want to get into the lesser known stuff as well! That’s where the TRUE story lies, as far as I’m concerned!😉👌
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine that’s what I’ve been thinking I just wish we had more in depth interviews with Robert plant and jimmy page and JPJ
Thanks for the shoutout Mr Noland! It’s much appreciated!
You’re so welcome Dylan! Thanx for watching!❤️
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine man I just realized I thanked you twice forgetting I had already done it! Damn I need to lay off the reefer!
Thanks for the detailed background. I knew most of the story, but there's always room to learn more! Thanks again!
Thanx, ao! Nice to hear from you!👌
Dude this channel is fkin awesome. The detail you go into is great.
You gave some great details about the metamorphosis of Led Zeppelin. Great segment!
Thanx, JTF! There is so much more to this band that never quite get into the documentaries on this band! And I just love the tidbits! They’re so informative!😉👌
Although it was determined that Zeppelin had indeed "lifted" from other artists and unfairly credited themselves as the original authors, I've seen the move as two-fold, if not more. First, as you mentioned, most of the material of Jimmy's playing on Zeppelin 1 was from what he had learned throughout the years. Giving the songs the Led Zeppelin version in a haphazard way means, DID make it a "Led Zeppelin" song. Was it Page's way of paying homage? Maybe. But he wasn't known for sharing the wealth from profit. Which brings me to the 2nd fold...It's kinda shitty, BUT, once you've made money from the song, it's yours! Then it falls back to the originator to claim suit. For example, "Whole Lotta Love" made millions for Zeppelin (for easy math we're going to say $200 million) and did not credit Willie Dixon's "You Need Love." Dixon sues and wins let's say $25 million. He's happy with his winnings, Zeppelin still keeps $175 million of "stolen money." Just kinda shitty, you might ask? Yep, just kinda. My question is, IF Zeppelin hadn't recorded and released "Whole Lotta Love" would Dixon's "You Need Love" have made him any more earnings? I think not.
I agree, Phil! Anything Zeppelin touched became more theirs, than even the original source material! What do you say about that? Oh yeah! GENIUS!!!👌😉❤️👍
What I don’t understand is why Dixon didn’t sue the Small Faces in 66 for “ you need lovin” when the writing credits were “Laine / Marriott “ yet he sued Zeppelin 3 years later for “Whole lotta love ?”Don’t get me wrong he is due what he is owed from both recordings but why sue one and not both ?
@@grantshenton7079 Because Zeppelin made a lot more money off the track. In fact, the Zep studio tapes for Whole Lotta Love were initially labeled You Need Love based on the Willie Dixon track.
@@grantshenton7079 Money. How much money are you willing to spend to sue a small-time (in comparison) band like Small Faces? It's just a matter of economics, right?
@@philweeks8459 - yes but once successful , you have then set a precedent in law ( I am a lawyer ) it’s straightforward then to mop up any other cases , the hard bit is winning the first one. There would be a lot more suits if bands could get representation as there is a reticence to take on the big labels.
Thanks for the excellent decode! Love it. I, too agree that music is, has been, and will continue to be shared, redefined, and shaped into differing variations according to the artists and their passion for music. Critics are who they are. Even Paul Mc Cartney admonishes in "Hey Jude" to ..." take a sad song and make it better" ! Everyone has their favorites. Mine, will always be Led Zeppelin.
Yes, John! Exactly! Music needs to be able to breathe! Too many rules, like chefs, spoil the whole Led Zeppelin experience!
I agree also critics are there to criticize but it’s funny because I’m sure they are not all talented musicians, that’s like being a political commentator and not knowing politics . Plus they work off of templates that have come in the past , so basically being a critic is like being a weatherman wether your right or wrong you still get paid . Great job
Thank you for these excellent Zeppelin episodes. Really enjoying them. Cheers ✌️❤️
Thanx, OOTT! Good to hear from you!😉❤️
“Critters” - 😆😆😆. Very comprehensive series so far. Excellently researched and presented. So glad the Zep content is an ongoing feature on the channel. Your passion for them really shines through.
Thanx, Bruce! Your excellent channel has really upped your game recently! One of my favorite destinations on RUclips!
As Jimmy Page once said,” everything Zeppelin did you can find on Led Zeppelin 1”
Blues, some heavy rockers, alternate tunings, acoustic songs and a little experimenting..
Love your channel!..great job!!
Wonderful video thank you. As the series progresses you may find out more information yourself through the audience that responds. This is so wonderful thank you
I’ve already got important info from you guys, Joan! I shameless as far as sources for material!😉👌❤️
_“The sound of Led Zeppelin’s first album sounded like something nobody had ever quite heard before”….._
*Amen Michael!!!* So very well said, and I can still recall the 1st time that I unwrapped that album from its jacket (and many, many times afterwards) where the then uniquely mesmerizing intro to “Good Times Bad Times” alone opened the door to a very pivotal album…. And certainly a quality of arrangements that had you "palpitating" for more!!! 👉 🤪
Amen, el mago!
Moby Grape (with Jerry Miller) said "I've been 11 to every night".
That's Led Zeppelin. "Since I've Been Loving You".
"I've been working from 11 to 7 every night."
Saw Jerry took my concert to Tacoma Dome. Jimmy Page and Robert Plant. ;-)
As a tragic Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page fan, I'd like to add a few things that might interest you.
Peter Grant at this time was Jeff Beck and Jimmy Pages manager. Peter was also partners with singles hits producer Micky Most who was not a fan of album producing. Which brings in a factor that the critics of the time took a disliking of albums that the likes of Led Zeppelin and Jeff Beck produced. This in turn could also conclude that the critics were influenced by the likes of Micky Most. Conclude what you will!
Neil from Sydney Australia.
Yep, Neil! As matter of fact Peter was smart to negotiate Mickey right out of Led Zeppelin! Mickey would have ruined this band! Thanx, Neil! Welcome, down-under!👌😉❤️👍
Talking of Peter Grant, He was also the manager a wonderful band from Glasgow "Stone the Crows", Featuring:
The amazing vocals of Maggie Bell (described by some as the Scottish Janis Joplin).
Les Harvey on Guitar who tragically died of electrocution on stage and was also brother of Alex Harvey of the Sensational Alex Harvey Band),
And James Dewar on Bass who went on to be Lead Singer and Bassist for Robin Trower.
The band were originally called "Power" until Peter Grant saw them live and his initial reaction was he was blown away he said "Stone the Crows", Signed them up, Unfortunately he didn't plug them enough (due to him managing Led Zeppelin), and their commercial success was limited.
Excellent info, 15! I’ll be covering Grant’s pre-Zepp days much in the same way I cover the band members pre Zepp days as well! But you are absolutely right on! Maggie Bell! RIP!👌
I first saw Led Zeppelin at the Okeefe Centre in Toronto Dec. 69..age 19. It was relatively short set with a few old rock and roll covers as an encore medley.The first song was a 10 minute version of Whole Lotta love and hearing it for the first time was indeed a revelation.At the end of the show a bunch of folks off the floor rushed the stage and the suited middle aged ushers were all knocked about and even off the stage…After the show me and my college mates discovered the opening band’s (Edward Bear) cube Van was sitting hood opened so we went over to help and the 6 of us pushed the truck up to the loading docks where we could see what was going on backstage..Their was a lot of commotion due to the fact that someone had stolen JP’s blue suede jacket..l.I hears him say If I catch the decker that stole me decking jacket I’ll feckin kill i’m.”Needless to say we decided to get out while we could and we had never even heard of Peter Grant at that early time…
Wonderful account David! Peter was there at that point in the tour! He sent them ahead, and stayed behind for the Christmas holidays!👌😉❤️👍✌️🤔
Aren’t you just DYING to see the documentary “Becoming Led Zeppelin”? When it was presented at the Venice Festival last September or so, I thought it would be out in a few months. Still waiting for any word. Funding? Distribution? Anybody know?
I had only heard faint rumblings that the movie even existed, like others I had heard before that didn’t pan out, Helene!
I’ll try and do some digging! Got a shovel?😉👌
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine there was an interview with the makers of this documentary. Both them and Jimmy Page made it sound like it would be released to USA shortly, that was September’21. It sounded like a done deal. If you find any news keep us posted & your channel rocks! I look forward to all things Zeppelin that you will be delving into!!!! Cheers !!! ☮️
@@Kashmir.820 Thanx, Kashmir! If I find anything I’ll pass it on!
What about the rest of you? Any thing you’ve heard?❤️👌👍
Michael all I can say is wow this is great work. If you can teach anything to new guitar players to banjo mandolin whatever string instrument that they're playing, that it is very important even though they may but not be Center but they should be facing forward to it shows respect for the instrument. It's called proper guitar etiquette, whether you're standing or sitting or even sitting on the ground, all artists should be facing the audience with their instrument. I learned this when I was a little child playing guitar. And of course sometimes you have to message to the other players, and you change directions if you have a semicircle audience. But, majority of the song should forward face to expose that instrument, it is proper guitar etiquette. Lead singers are usually front and center but still the guitar should be somehow facing forward whether it's the left side or the right side, the instrument should be seen by the audience watching. Michael thank you again for a great video it's so interesting and very appreciated.
Yes...where is it???
Jimmy Page's playing on "Presence" has always blown me away !" - Like were in another time, in a far off place.
Excellent episode, Michael!
I had read that the critics were angry about Led Zeppelin's incredible record contract. They felt that it was undeserved since Zep had not even released an album yet.
They were just pissed that since they had no part in building the band up, they had no power over the band! Ban All Rock Critters! I 😉
Thank you for your unbiased opinion on the various artists who all practiced the art of using others material, keep up the great work!long live the Mighty Zep.
Wow, Michael….You are reading different histories of the band than I am. According to everything I’ve read and heard, Terry suggested Plant. Jimmy went to hear Plant. Invited him down to his houseboat in Panghorn for a few days to see if they meshed musically AND personally (very important) and it was Plant who suggested his mate Bonham to Page. I’ve never heard it said that Reid suggested Bonham….
Hi Helene!
Still looking for my source regarding Terry mentioning Bonzo!
Yes Plant did suggest Bonzo,and even though Jimmy did invite Plant over and all, he still had his doubts! Here’s one of my sources! Excellent book btw!
As usual, you keep me honest, and that’s the important thing! Thank you!
My Source regarding Jimmy first meeting Robert:
Jimmy: ‘I liked Robert,’ he would later tell me. ‘He obviously had a great voice and a lot of enthusiasm. But I wasn’t sure yet how he was going to be on stage; what he’d be like once we actually got together as a band and started playing.’ What sealed the deal was the arrival into the story of a pal of Plant’s from Brum, a drummer named John Bonham. Bonham and Plant had been in the Band of Joy together. According to Jimmy, ‘The one I was really sure about right from the off was Bonzo.”
Excerpt From
When Giants Walked the Earth 10th Anniversary Edition
Mick Wall
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OK Helene, found it! Terry did suggest both Plant & Page!
“Meanwhile,’ said Reid, ‘I was doing a gig. I think it was in Buxton with the Band of Joy. I’d seen them before, and I knew Robert Plant and John Bonham. And this time, as I watched them, I thought: “That’s it!” I could hear the whole thing in my head. So the next day I phoned up Jimmy. He said, “What does this singer look like?” I said, “What do you mean, what does he look like? He looks like a Greek god, but what does that matter? I’m talking about how he sings. And his drummer is phenomenal. Check it out!””
Excerpt From
When Giants Walked the Earth 10th Anniversary Edition
Mick Wall
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This material may be protected by copyright.
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine oh ok that makes sense. He told Page about both of them at the same time. I got the impression that your source had him committing to Bonham first. My mistake. It was actually Robert who had to physically go visit Bonham to convince him to take a chance on Page because Bonham was making decent money at the time and his wife didn’t want him to have anything to do with Plant because they had been poor for so long when Band of Joy was trying to make a ho of it. Bonham was ignoring cables that Grant was sending him. So Plant went to twist his arm….
Absolutely, Helene!
Grant sent him many telegrams even! Of course resulting in Bonzo the Great not even bothering to open them!
At one point even Page & Grant showing up at his door, taking him out for a pint, so Jimmy could explain to him just what he wanted! Jimmy was salivating for sure!
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine wow…didn’t know that part! Ok, in that case, I can’t believe it took Robert to persuade him! I mean, Jimmy Page was a successful celebrity by this time! Who wouldn’t want yo give that a go. Or was Tim Rose bigger in England than Page at that time?
A bit ironic that it took Robert to convince Bonzo to take that chance and then it was Bonzo who convinced Plant to stay in Zeppelin.
Great show Michael also I hate to ask again did u review Elvis with page Cheryl crow etc
Hey Rick! Just saw it! Makes you go “Wait just one damned minute!” Loved it!
I have heard that Willie Dixon himself "did an AP Carter" on the work of obscure black bluesmen, taking credit for songs that had no IP registered. Hence his extraordinary songwriting "output" perhaps.
Yeah 59, unwitting ghost writers can be a big help!😉
I thought Jimmy considered Marriott...the singer of Humble Pie. God yes...Jimmy was a fabulous producer and engineer!!
He considered Marriott as well! He was looking long and hard for just the right guy! Thank goodness he found Robert! Good one, Jimmy!👌
I’m so tired of the whole Led Zeppelin stole there songs thing. If there was ever anything “Borrowed” or “inspired” it was small. I like to argue that say they did rip a small part off. That’s only a small part, you still have to write a WHOLE song around it! Give the average musician a small piece of a song. It will turn out like SHIT. Bunch of clowns! I also heard Keith Richards say the in an interview that Zeppelin was “aptly” named because there music never took off for him.. I’ve got NO respect for Keith or the Rolling Clowns. They’re great at writing bland blues music. They will never come NEAR Beatles or Zeppelin in there wildest dreams. Lost all respect for Keith
In Keith’s mind, Zeppelin WAS Jimmy Page. He respected Page allot, but I think allot of those guys who were big just a few years before Zeppelin, including the Beatles and The Who, Zeppelin was too LOUD and over the top. Pete Townsend seemed to detest Zeppelin. It’s like a musical generation passed in just a few years. It happened again in the late 70’s and again in the early 90’s. Perhaps Keith’s opinion has now mellowed…..I think Pete’s has. And Roger Daltry? Robert Plant is his rock god. He said so himself. 😁
@@w.geoffreyspaulding6588 that interview was in the early 00’s where Keith said that. 2004
I too like Zep better, in general. But they are as different as golf clubs from baseball bats. They both era extraordinarily good at what they are built for and history and following have backed them up.
These critics who brought this stuff up, knew at the time this was a common practice in the music industry! Whether or not it was completely right to do it, nearly everyone did it to one degree or another, Jake!
Keith was always too set in his ways, and besides, it hurt that they weren’t Number 1 in the seventies! Who was that? Oh yeah, Led Zeppelin! Step down Keith! No talking while the true Emperor is in the room!👌😉❤️
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Also do you remember how many times the Stones blatantly ripped off the Beatles? Album names, album covers. PATHETIC!!
In times of baroque and classical music it was an honour for a composer when somebody used one of his themes in his works like Bach used stuff from Vivaldi and so on. This whole plagiarism thing in my opinion is mainly a way of trying to make a fast buck and, secondly, to bash and put down artists that gave songs a new dimension, often more successful and also BETTER than the "original". Just think of Prince's Nothing compares 2 U. An average Prince song, it was Sinead O'Connor who made a true gem and a monster hit out of this rough diamond by pouring her deepest felt emotions into that song, changing some harmonies, making it soft, female compared to the heavier original! Or what's up by the 4 non blondes, of course the line is very much "Don't worry be happy" by Bobby Mc Ferrin , BUT the song as a whole is a totally different thing, much more than just a copy! Hotel California/We used to know by Jethro Tull, same chords, so what? I knew both songs but it never came to my mind that the Eagles might have "stolen" it from Jethro Tull. I think Ian Anderson never thought of claiming royalties from them. Bittersweet Symphony, this brilliant tune of Richard Ashcroft, thank god Keith and Mick gave the credits back to Ashcroft some years ago.
Why do you think did many of the artists not have that much success with their songs as later interpretations? In the case of Led Zeppelin, they created new versions that exceeded the originals by far in terms of power and musicianship. With all respect for these old blues men, Led Zeppelin took their music to another level.
And, when you start doing something, not only music, in most cases you have somebody who inspires you, some idol. And your first steps are to copy your idol before you develop your own style.
Right-Freakin’-ON, Christoph!
Once again, the Tribe has spoken!👌👍❤️😉🪄
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It would be interesting to hear more from Page or JPJ on those first conversations they had and what Pages ideas were for a bass player
Michael I have a question please, it may need fact-checking. Is there real name of John Paul Jones actually John Richard Baldwin? Thank you.
Yes.
Yes, born in 1946, a war victory baby for sure!
Michael, you know how you get your children up for school, especially during exam week? Just follow my mother's instructions, volume all the way up, Bring it on Home, 1 minute and 43 seconds. No problem, chilren will wake up. Time for school. True story.
Absolutely amazing Michael, with all the studing I've done about how Led Zeppelin formed I was still missing many facts. I really enjoy the way you present your show brother.
Thanx, Royce! There is so much that the same ol’ same ol’ documentaries DON’T cover! That’s OK! We’ll get to the truth! Thanx for having me on your panel in your latest video!
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Come back Sunday for part 2 if you can.
I met Robert Plant in a bar after a Chicago show on a June 15 around the millennium. I mentioned to him that some of his music came from other authors, Don't know if I had an influence but I saw a Tampa show on You tube where his was listing many credits of Influences.
My name Daniel Abril love your videos started seeing them recently
Typically masterful insight....TY Michael.
Thanx, E! Good to hear from you, bro!😉
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine I had nothing brilliant to add. You hit it all. ;)
Technically, every popular song of the last 75 (or probably even longer) years is taken from somewhere else. Even Louis Armstrong got his jazz ideas from watching New Orleans street musicians. It just doesn't matter whether rock took from the blues or Dylan ( who has stated himself) got a lot of his inspiration and melodies from early folk music like Woody Guthrie or even up to more modern times of rap artists sampling other genres. It's about taking music and making it your own and making it well. If it's done well, it's just good music. At least, that's how I view music.
Jimmy Page also considered Steve Marriott and Paul Rodgers as the vocalist for Led Zeppelin before Robert Plant.
Well I guess I do get the connection to three blind mice, but I wouldn’t argue about that one it’s not as obvious as some of the others were.
One thing people never bring up...Is the Blues guys traveling all over would run into eachother in Chigago,St Louis.etc,and move on...Lifting from eachother along the way...Same riffs different lyrics...Are not the Blues guys...Thieves??What Page did with that stuff well...Amazing
Absolutely, gg! But the first one to make money doing it is always gonna be blamed!😉
they knicked a bit mainly lyrics, they gave credit most of the time though
Black Waterside "by" Bert Jansch was taught to him (in bed, it is said) by Anne Briggs. She didn't write it either, hers was an adaptation of a Traditional song (no copyright), so Bert had very little IP in the game. Black Mountainside is also fairly substantially different imo.
I agree 59! Great additional info here!👌
Led Zeppelin can rightly be accused of not crediting sources. It is also true that what Led Zeppelin did with this material created something that had never been heard before. If they had only credited Willie DIxon right off the bat this whole debate would be far more muted.
They DID credit Dixon right off the bat..
Pull out any OG copy of LZ I and look directly at the record label under 'You Shook Me'.
Who was it credited to? How about 'I Can't Quit You Baby'. Do you see it? It's also typed on the back of the album cover of the debut album.
They both say, and have always said, "Willie Dixon".
I still can't believe that there are people that still don't notice what the record labels have printed directly on them.
Now go have a look, eh!
I heard once that Ron Wood had been asked to join Led Zeppelin as a rhythm guitarist but reused. Do you know if there's any truth to that?
I never heard that. The only thing I heard was that Keith said to Jimmy that he should hire another guitarist then he wouldn't have to work so hard in live performances...Jimmy told him Then it wouldn't be Led Zeppelin!
He was asked to join by Grant while they were still the New Yardbirds! He turned Grant down, and I haven’t found anything that indicates the offer came from Page himself!
This was at the time where Jimmy was still getting his thoughts together as far as a general instrumental line-up! So yes he got an offer to join The New Yardbirds, but not Led Zeppelin proper!
Thanx, Scott!
Another cohesive presentation. I don’t get all you need is love and the connection with three blind mice though.
The notes from the Love, Love, Love are identical to the three notes when you sing the words “Thre Blind Mice”!😉❤️ Thanx, Bill!
Terry couldn’t do Led Zeppelin because he was still under contract.
Yeah, and management wasn’t gonna let him go for nothin’! Thanx, Cpt!😉👌
Please keep your hands still! Great info though...
At the time it was not considered bad edicate to use other musicians material especially in the Blues, and jazz. This was the norm not the exception, most of the Blues music at the time was largely public domain. I would consider early Zeppelin more a Blues band than a rock band, they largely saw themselves this way as well.
According to Page, it was Plant who introduced Bonham to Page, Jones had worked together with Page in the Yardbirds. Page had asked Jones to join the band, but he declined, it was Jones wife who goaded him into joining the band.
Buddy Holly wrote "Not Fade Away" as a tribute to the Bo Diddley "sound."
As Ozzy said we are all pirates and thieves!
Sorry Michael but Moon the loom is not in my top 20 but your LZ details arr spot on don't forget Jimmy first thought of Marriott
Brilliant though they were, and as much as I love them, the answer is 'Yes!'
The stole plenty enough. Not everyone else was doing this
Chris Farlowe was never considered for Led Zeppelin. Steve Marriott was the prototype but unavailable. Terry Reid was seriously considered but he didn’t want the gig and suggested Robert Plant.
All those British bands took something from those old blues players. But they also put their names out their. Nobody would have heard of them otherwise. America was too racist ar the time these guys were alive to acknowledge their genius. And I think those artists that were still alive were very appreciative of the accolades. Muddy waters even covered rolling stones songs later on. Also I want to mention that led zeppelin were looked down upon as tossers or posers by their contemporaries. (Kind of how we look at 80s hair bands). The who, the stones, the kinks, even maybe the beatles etc. Must have been really threatened by led zeppelin when they hit the scene.
I would say that they did steal from other artists...but this was common in so many bands. But LZ made a career out of it. Hell, Mothers Finest did it to LZ.
The fact is, Zeppelin didn't do anything that Cream, Jeff Beck Group, Fleetwood Mac, Stones, Yardbirds, Animals and every other worthwhile band from the UK blues scene didn't do. All those bands were playing blues covers early on. Whether or not they credited the original artists was a legal or perhaps ethical issue but it didn't change the fact that the Zeppelin arrangements were stellar and the musicianship was incredible. It's the most naive point of view imaginable to suggest Zeppelin were alone in doing it , and in my estimation the best work Zeppelin did was their original material anyway.
Best album of time. No bout adoubt it!
The Eagles were done when Glenn died. I have all their albums I wish they were all remastered to Quad or 5.1
You can't fake, imitate or steal power, glory and musical might.
Absolutely Anthony! You either have it or you don’t Led Zeppelin had it in spades!👌❤️😉
Excellanto... 👍
Thanx, Jam! Appreciate your comment!
Who cares what they did. They took what they had and turned it into pure Gold! All four will be Eternal Rock Gods!
Rock and roll is like comedy it's an industry based on Beggars and thieves
I always thought that they copied a lot of their music. But what can you say about what they did with these songs. They made them better, way way better. For that, in my mind, they get a pass.
Bob Dylan made “all along the watchtower “. But when he heard Jimi play it, even he knew it wasn’t his song anymore. He made it better. Zepp did the same. 👊🏾✊🏽👌🏾
Thank you for explaining this stealing bullshit! Everyone nicks off everybody same goes for movies! Just like Ozzy said we're all pirate's and thieves!
There y’ go ZoSo! And I could have named dozens of more cases!
not all thieves and pirates. Pete Townshend wrote all material. except where noted, The Who
farlowe would've been a huge mistake.
Jimmy page vs Jeff Beck
I can imagine the critics being paid. Can u?
No Sergio, I can’t! 😉
Well. I agree to d esagree.😎
What about the songs they stole BUDGIE
This goes back like you said all the way not just rock but country blues jazz . Plus Page took inspiration from many places but he made them his own . No body’s fault but mine Zeppelin sounded nothing like the original except the words . Even Grandpa Jones did it he took a traditional song and put his name on it . People don’t understand writing credits earn you money ! So they took a chance to help recoup costs period . It’s no plagiarism in the true sense of the word . One name you forgot as singer was Steve Marriott from small faces , but their manager Sharon Osbornes father sent Jimmy a letter asking how he would like to play guitar with broken fingers ? I’m not sure I believe that , I don’t think Peter Grant would stand for that , seeing he was a thug himself. Oh well you decide . And how many British bands recorded the same songs when the Beatles came out rollover Beethoven plenty Jimmy even played sessions on some your point is well taken . After the first record each one had more original songs then all were original after the second more or less
I did cover Marriott in my first decoding video, nick. Jeff and Jimmy both suggested him as a possible vocalist back in 1966!
As always, great info here, nick! Thanx!👌
borrowing structures and musical ideas is one thing but stealing lyrics is another.....sorry but you can't defend that
No I can’t! Nor will I ever try! I believe that Zepp should just totally own up to what the ‘appropriated’ and just put it out there for all to see! Thanx, Justine!👌❤️
Michael have u ever seen led zeps first version of dazed and confused in 1969
Rick
Zeppelin first did Dazed and Confused in August 1968.
Yes Rick! I’m watching it right now! Have you ever noticed how JPJ really bends his bass strings for that ‘spooky’ kinda feel?😉👌❤️👍✌️🔁
I did my friend noticed it... powerful stuff they did..did u see it before I mentioned it
@@rickferrari9042 Oh yeah! But i never tire of watching this performance! All of the elements that made this band is ‘ALL” there in this one performance! Amazing!
Have u ever met any band members....I will tell u a story my mom was 15 yrs old she was in the audience of 1968 for how many more times...I went to a record store and they had that advertisement and I noticed something....hey that's my mom...the record store managed to have 3 of them and gave one to me 40 yrs later I showed my mom she was like yes that was me with my girlfriend..I was blown away...she had 2 idols.. Robert plant and David Cassidy
Ha ha...I've read two biographies on Zep and in one, Jimmy claims HE was the one who took the "a" out of "Lead". I think Jimi would claim he invented sunshine if he could get away with it.
I thought he DID invent sunshine, Jonesy! 😉❤️👌
For the last 40 years, I've always thought it was both Jimmy and Peter Grant's idea to use that spelling, so the Americans wouldn't call them Lead (as in leed) Zeppelin. This was pretty well known.
But who the hell cares who took credit for something as miniscule as that?
I don't like anyone who craps on Page for stupid reasons such as this. 😅
... and Bowie ripped off Sergei Rachmaninov. Listen to his 2nd piano Concerto and you will know where Bowie got the verse for "Life on Mars" from
Great point, nick! Good ears, btw!👌
I love LZ to life. (BUT) They were thieves...
As far as taking credit for music not written the Beatles are clean.
For the vast majority of their work I agree, John!
I don't know about that. Check Berry sued the Beatles for their song Come Together who Berry said was lifted from his song You Can't Catch Me. Everybody, even the Beatles have skeletons in their closet.
@bubhub64 Chuck Berry was an interesting guy. How are the lyrics similar at all? “Ju Ju eyeball….he shoot Coca Cola,…he got Ono sideboard…..he one spinal cracker……I know you, you know me, got to be good looking cause he’s so hard to see.” Who else did he sue? Did he win the suit? Just because someone sues you it doesn’t mean you are guilty, right? The Beatles are clean.
@@johncoppola8105 Lennon was sued by a gentleman named Morris Levy who was a huge record producer, and owned the rights of the song "You Can't Catch Me" for plagiarising the line "here comes ol' flat top" from Berry's version of "here comes a flat top." Not only was the lyric lifted, but the whole cadence of Berry's song was used and is the same as Come Together. Lennon's attitude toward the lawsuit was that it was a tribute to Chuck Berry. Just like Zeppelin with some of their accusers, the matter between Morris Levy and John Lennon was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.
@bubhub64 Wonderful, one line, you sue someone for one line, no melody, verse, chorus, etc.? And the other few dozen lines by Lennon that neither Morris Levy nor Chuck Berry could ever come up with? What was the point of the suit? Let’s see perhaps to get some money for Berry who I know from being a pro musician in the late 70s and early 80s was playing dive venues, put together bands in one or two days and paid them next to nothing at that time. Nobody wanted to play for him including myself. I was a bass player. Berry would play the Ritz in NYC and there would less people there than on a regular DJ dance night.
U2 owned the 80s I guess hum
They lasted through the 80s, but IMO The Police owned the 80s, and did it with 5 albums, Thomas😉👌
Zeppelin stole from time to time....
But i do BELIEVE they were stolen from A LOT more than they stole themselves.
They set the bar HIGH for A LOT of things....other than a few miscredited old standards and tunes.
There's no escaping the blatant plagiarism on the first album, although you tried. It is indeed a stellar milestone in Rock history, but the song theft somewhat mars its legacy.
My views, or ears about music/originality have changed. I do not believe music is possible to be 💯 percent original, esp rock pop or blues mediums. No way. Ill liken using melody and or sound ideas as sipping or dipping into an arcane cauldron. Does anyone really know and or get credit for every element/ingredient in there and determine exactly where that went or what created the end result/flavor?
Nothing original about the birth of this band. The 13th Floor Elevators were original.
Next time skip the weed...
Pronounciation..?
Got me! I caught that in post! OUCH!👌😉❤️
Ok,......no rant today,F the critters,couldn't write a tune,stolen,How many bluesmen ripped off Robert Johnson?Next,all those who sued LZ,settled out-of-court.They wanted $$$ not artistic integerty.Remember George's 'My Sweet Lord.'????
That was a rant!Sorry Mr Noland!🤪
Rant on, Kevin! Rant on! And I agree! It was only the success of Led Zeppelin that brought out the lawyers!
Lawyers! You can’t live with them, and you can’t dump them off at the refuse center!
I know! Let’s make them illegal! Illegalize Lawyers! Stamp out Law suits! Long Live geniuses like the mighty LZ!
Rock was formed on thieves no big deal-ZEPP is the best rock band ever PERIOD yes better than than Floyd
a top rate plagiarist, JP is
tarnished led zep legacy
JPJ the most talented of the 4
Serial plagiarisers !
They did steal some stuff like everyone else. They just did it better and heavier. ATTITUDE is what did it. Balls to the walls the way rock should be.
Yes, bb! And in the end, it was THEIRS!!!👌👍✌️😉❤️