What Made Led Zeppelin, LED ZEPPELIN? Prologue to Led Zeppelin Decoded
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- Опубликовано: 27 фев 2022
- Led Zeppelin Returns!
Michael here everyone with my follow-up on my series on Led Zeppelin! Tonight I discuss just what really separated this band from so many others!
Led Zeppelin of course was the band that took the vacated crown The Beatles left behind and continued to rule as the number one band throughout the 1970s.
Not only that, but this band, like The beatles seem to draw brand new fans every single year since they disbanded due to the death of John Bonham, their drummer!
With brand new fans and record buyers, Led Zeppelin has maintained their near-mythical status for over half a century!
Tonight I discuss the various aspects of the band, and begs the question: Just what made this band so different than their peers?
What about their music that keeps fans not only coming back for more, but keeps fans paying full dollar for their albums long after other band’s albums hit the bargain basement?
I discuss this and more in today’s video!
Michael Noland
The Bottom Line
The 4 master musicians...willing to take chances and they certainly were unique in that Bonham followed Jimmy...JPJ followed Bonham and Plant followed Jimmy...most of the time lol
You know Julie, I think this is the key to why the band basically ‘owned’ the limelight as a band in the 70s and beyond!
Yup musically correct, but most band don't operate that. Bonham did follow jimmy, not an easy task, but were talking about John Henry "Bonzo" Bonham!!
Not only following, but also challenging, Jimmy made Bonzo unique. I tend to think of Jonesy as the glue. He had the ability to lock on to either Bonzo or Page and let the sparks fly!
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine i respect your opinion, but there were other bands in the lime light in the 70s. Zeppelin was part of the great 70s
They were, are and WILL ALWAYS BE the ultimate rock band.
Abso-freakin’-lutely!!!!!!
I don't know why they say JPJ is underrated. The true Zeppelin fan knows the value of each of the four band members. I like to listen to them with headphones, I'm using AirPods Pro, I cancel out external noises so I can hear them all perfectly. JPJ is fabulous
Ya know, Marcia? That’s EXACTLY how I listen to them also!👌👍✌️
Great point Marcia! Jimmy Page knew exactly who and what he was getting with JPJ!
One of the things I’ve observed about Led Zeppelin is their ability to consistently deliver the emotion....track after track. Timeless music. Good Lord!
Yes! Their emotive approach to composition, and then each being a virtuoso musician or singer, only cemented their sound into our collective subconsciousness!
What always impressed me about LZ is their versatility. They played so many different genres of music.
The formation of Zeppelin is almost as interesting as the band themselves. What are the chances that Page not only gets one of the best bassists of all time but also one of the best vocalists, who just happens to know one of the best drummers too? Talk about the stars aligning.
Exactly, Peter! And vision to boot! This band’s importance cannot be over-stated as far as I’m concerned!
Thanx for your input!
JPJ and Page knew each other well due to session work. Page was talking to Entwisthle as the bassist (no scrub either). Plant to me was an absolute stroke of luck, cause he also got Bonham as a package deal hahaha
@@saucerfullofzepp4203 kismet, I tell ye’!
Jonesy - the silent assassin.
I think this alignment has never happened before and will never happen again. A unique event, I would say a magical event
An incredibly powerful unit. Not one weak link in the chain and John Paul Jones is criminally underrated as one of the greatest utility players in rock history.
I know! Right? Always there to take up any slack musically when needed!
And he is a much better bass player than given credit!
You're right
@@juliemanarin4127 Amen Julie!
His bass playing live was unmatched..uniquely talented
You guys don't know what talking about! Jonesy has never been underrated! In the seventies he all most always won the best bassist award in most Rock Magazines at the time...So yea everyone knew how good Jonesy was and still is, especially his peers...only weak fans weren't in the know...
The very FIRST live music I ever heard (and it was an accident - I went to see the opener, Taj Mahal, who didn't show because of car trouble) was "Led Somebody." I was a boy scout and alter boy at the time. We got tickets early for Taj, at an acoustically excellent concert hall with reserved seating. I was thirty feet from the band with my leg hanging out into the center aisle, much to the usher's consternation. The promoter came out first with the bad news about Taj Mahal, and offered to either refund our FIVE DOLLARS or give us four hours of these other guys. We stayed. They did the whole Yardbirds catalogue, then all of Zep I, then introduced their new album coming out, Zep II. It changed my life.
What a great story! You musta been blown away!
That was like winning the biggest prize in a lottery. Lucky you!
It can’t get cooler than that….
Wow!! and wow!!…going to a concert and then just seeing zeppelin by default..that’s too cool bro 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Holy mackerel, a show to end all shows!!
One thing people do not appreciate. Jimmy Page could take a song like Dazed and Confused and stretch that out to 30 minutes and play it differently than the night before. Its magical.
I think Zeppelin was as much a ‘jam band’ as was The GRATEFUL DEAD! Different in style, no doubt, but a jam band nevertheless! And just as interesting a band to follow around to see new versions of their material.
I love that: the same songs played differently in each show. For example, I have a long playlist with different versions of Stairway To Heaven, one of the best songs ever recorded and that amazing solo...
I disagree, he’s an expert at butchering his own songs.
Most fans allow for a bit of improvisation, but Page simply undertakes a Jamming session, he takes self indulgence to new heights.
They were Masters of improvisation they had no rivals when it came to live concerts. I was fortunate enough to see them 5 times my first and also my first rock concerts was at Yale Bowl in 1970, I was left speechless
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I saw them in ‘71.
Masters of improvisation?
You mean turning one of the epic rock songs like Dazed and Confused into a 30 minute bore fest.
I love how you nailed the important glue that created the force of the band. Identifying JPJ as the secret musical weapon that connected everything together and even changed his playing style to enhance Jason Bonham’s presence in a live setting. Great stuff! Keep up the good work!
Thanx, Tony! My next video is uploading right now, and when its done, you’ll have my complete review on Led Zeppelin 4!😉
I don’t think that Zeppelin would have been half as good without John Paul Jones…so underrated. His keyboard parts added so much color to their music as well as his phenomenal bass playing…but those keys..from organ, clavinet, piano, mellotron, synths…such great ears.
Amen to everything you said! And playing those keyboards while pedaling the bass part simultaeneously???
Not to mention the variety of stringed instrument as well! Thanx for your comment!
Versatile multi-instrumentalists and arrangers like Jones can always do so much for a band and its textural richness. And the studio experience of both Jones and Page was huge as well.
It's rediculous to think in those terms.....uh because they were in the same band....
@@victorwilburn8588 everybody needs a good secret weapon!
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine: I'm always fascinated by those sorts of folks -- the ones not in the spotlight, but highly professional, highly skilled, and so important to whatever they are contributing to (for one reason, it mirrors my personal demeanor a bit in my own professional life). Or like the great studio guys (which, of course, Jones and Page started as), people like Waddy Wachtel, for instance, so definitive to so many of the records he played on. I particularly like his work on Belladonna. Or Smokey Hormel quietly adding his understated textures to Cash's late work, while also working with Beck (not Jeff Beck, just Beck :)).
I think, most of the time the part of John Paul Jones is not appreceated enough. Most people focus on Bonham, Page and Plant, for obvious reasons. But John Paul Jones was more or less the glue that put it all together. Greets from Germany!
I agree!
Jones and Page were 1/2 of the British version of America’s ‘Wrecking Crew’ who Brian Wilson (and almost every other act, it seems!) used in place of the touring Beach Boys! Thanx, Ingo!
For me JPJ is Led Zeppelin. They are all fine musicians in their own right. But JPJ is the architect of the band, his arrangements ability to play so many instruments makes him my fave.
I was 13 when I started digging into Zeppelin (thus ditching KISS and getting into the more sophisticated sounds of Zeppelin,) I knew THEN that I was hearing a band of over-achievers. It was caught lightning in the bottle. This was ‘81-‘82 and Zeppelin were all over the radio still. Little did I know at the time of the prior events which grounded the dirigible. Through the eighties I started piecing the puzzle together and studied them. I’m still studying them some 40 years later and just don’t ever get tired of this band. Their music was so intoxicatingly good that it becomes a drug - a fix. Jones’ intro to Dazed should be enough for one’s’ resume for life never mind the Hammond B3 intro to Your Time Is Gonna Come. That intro still sends a cold chill when I hear it. I’m convinced that he at that young age could’ve unseated ANY choirmaster organist in ANY church ANYWHERE. His knowledge of music was the deepest of the four members and truly was the jack of all trades. They simply had no competition. Bill Graham immediately recognized this and knew he met his match when they got in the Fillmore in Jan of ‘69. Jimmy basically came up with riffs and Bonzo interpreted them on drums. That was the trick - they just went for it! They were unique as a fingerprint and street demand is STILL out there today for them. It’s remarkable really. Great commentary here AND screenshot of Dazed from the Madison Sq Garden ‘73 concert film. 1973 is its own subject when it comes to Zep. It was their Zenith year and deserves its own video. You and I certainly do see eye to eye on Zeppelin.
You know luv, I too have studied this band! Right along with The Beatles! Know these two bands, supplement that knowledge with a semester or 2 of Pink Floyd, and you graduate with a much deeper understanding of this entire generation of music! Thanx, lb!
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine oh I know you’ve done your homework. I can tell....
The thing that amazed me about Led Zeppelin was they could take an old blues song that had the most thinnest and minimal of rhythms to it, and turn it into a colossal beast of a song, which bared little if no resemblance at all to the the original song.
I watched "The Song Remains the Same" this past week. Brought back great memories of seeing it in the '80's at the midnight movies. 🔥🔥🔥🤩
Great analysis on how those 4 guys were truly meant to be together. It obviously shows with their quality of music. But their diversified style of rock is what really made them special and very unique from any other band in the 70s. They just knew how to appeal to a much larger mass of fans.
My favorite band from when I was 13 yrs old to now at 66.
Amen to that, J T! Once bitten by LZ, never shy about them again!👌
This chanel is about to blow up. Let's go!
I'm a working musician and I can say LZ among others changed my life. I don't say that about too many bands. I hope you don't abandon what you're doing Michael because of too few subscribers. Your videos could be twice as long for my preference.
I’ve always thought it was the chemistry between all four not just one or two everything had to be lined up just right for Led Zeppelin
Amen Rick! The stars, the planets, hell, the tilt of the earth!
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine 🤔😆…. Yes sir everything
Percy,after O2 "That was Zed Zeppelin." John Henry,during a soundcheck (
Thank you, Michael, for that rundown on how Zep was formed. And I particularly liked your emphasis on the vision of Jimmy Page. The more I learned about him I was just blown away. All that he made sure he learned in the studio set him up perfectly to create the perfect rock band. He was so young to put everything in place. And then achieve such success with a band we are still talking about more than 50 years later.
Absolutely! And before he was a studio wiz he was considered a child protege, appearing on television showcasing his skiffle talents!
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I saw that video of him playing skiffle. Such poise for a young boy.
@@robertacolarette1594 And even then, very soft-spoken! Always more positive than negative!
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You’re so right about that.
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I saw this video, I always smile seeing our Jimmy so young, omg so cute 🥰
Because it's Led Zeppelin, I subscribed.
Greetings from Danmark 🤜 🇩🇰 🤛
Chris Dreja once said , and I'm paraphrasing - ' I could play bass as well as just about anyone, but I couldn't compete with John Paul Jones '
JPJ Came Up With The Riff Of Black Dog
And one of there very best!
really great to find a Led Head here on the Utube ................ thanks again, cheers from Alabama
Born in Waynesville, NC, PB! Welcome!😉
The only thing that annoys me is when certain online comments say "Jimmy was a sloppy guitarist ".
Jeez !! That really irks me.
Are they listening ? I don't care, it's right there in the music.The thrill and the rush.Jawdropping
They all brought greatness to the mix
Heres a question I wanna know. Where is Rock N Roll? How can we talk about great Bands. and all we have is Rap? Kids today, dont even know what a instrument is, they think everything comes out of a music box. I would like to see some old Rockers, get together and start a label for just Rock. Maybe even a TV Show where bands battle to get a contract with this label and some old time rockers are judges. Its gonna take that I think to bring it back. If Rock aint dead? Its in a coma for sure. Love the series Michael.
And the rhythms all sound like when 5 year old nursery rhyming, only with curse words so that the millennials think it MUST be cool! Moronic at best!👌
I have to catch up and binge watch all your videos keep them coming
Ok, but watch out for the crazy full bearded guy! 😉
Well done, Michael. I've been listening to Led Zeppelin for most of my 64 years now and you managed to explain what I was unable to put my finger on. Very insightful. This is my first listen to one of your videos but it will not be the last.
Thanx Stacey! Wow ! You bring up a great point here, btw. When Zep first came out, they were so new, nobody could believe the sound.
I just can’t believe that it’s now been long enough for us to make your same claim! We’ve actually been listening to Led Zeppelin ‘for most of (our) Lives’!!!
How did that happen??? Oh yeah, life!!!
Stacey I think the essence of it is exactly that…. In terms of trying to identify what they were, they were a moving target. Every album decidedly different than the one before it, with occasional dips into the past.
And at the same time, they were redefining and reinventing whatever genre they chose to interpret, and putting their mark on it in an indelible way that was, and is to this day very difficult to describe, and as you said, hard to put your finger on it.
Micheal, I love the passion you show for music. Keep up the good work. I am a subscriber.
Loving the videos! These Led Zeppelin videos have been super dope! We gotta talk for a little bit next time you come into the shop, ill keep an eye out for you! - Cookies
You got it Ernesto! Getting me to talk is as easy as it is for a crocodile to wait for it’s next meal to show up!
Idk..Steve Miller was quoted as saying;"Bands like Zepellin and The Who were Hype since day one.And they're gonna hype us til we're dead!".I tend to agree.
I love your channel Michael.
I love your channel! Just discovered it. Subscribed! ✌️🇨🇦❤️
Thanx, Outonthetiles! Nice name there, btw!😉
Just happened to come across this channel. I don't subscribe to very many channels... But Zeppelin is my favorite band and my license plate. :D So... I couldn't resist.
Welcome, Dart! And thank you for your kind words!
Led Zeppelin has always to me been way ahead of the other superstar bands,except for Pink Floyd,who are in a class by themselves.
Ooh, Patrick! You gotta check out my Pink Floyd Video!😉
Each of them had so much to offer,and they collaborated in an extremely appreciative way on every song so consistently,naturally,full on over the top..
Their talent,chemistry,
craftsmanship,and overly thoughtful approach allowed for an astonishingly flexible approach to their making of music.
Those consistent qualities were always so sincerely apparent that it built a very loyal following of immense enthusiasm for them.
They truly let they're music speak for them and it created and that created a sought after experience in wanting to hear them,whatever they could come up with..
They secured their following and peaked new interest by becoming one of the ultimate rock band experieces.
And you know Lazarus, they never stopped for even a second to just record something just to get it out there!
Only The Beatles were their match in my view!
Btw, I’m uploading ( as I type ) my comparing the Rubber Soul & Revolver where I make and draw on certain similarities between these 2 marvelous bands!
The Best ever! Thanks!
Good break down
Appreciate it! I try to put everything in but the kitchen sink, but sometimes the kitchen sink gets tossed in too!😂✌️👌
Hi Michael great story I've covered this too. One of the best rock stories your telling it is excellent.
Thanx Royce! The greatest stories are often even true!
Great hand work
Excellent👍
one factor is simply. that in every song. all 4 of them are. equally involved musically.
Exactly, Douglas! The very best bands in rock don’t have ancillary members! There’s no room for ‘just a drummer’!😉👌
They were so damn good! I have always thought if John would haven't died what they could have done.
Absolutely! On ‘In Through The Out Door’ they had changed once again! I think that it was Robert who took that ‘sound’ off that album and further explored it in his solo career, and he put out some very good albums, BUT he didn’t have the other 3!
Oh but what would that ‘sound’ have sounded like with the full band?!? Brings a tear to my eye!
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Oh man I just watched Ramble On live at the O2 again and their was tears running down my Cheeks. To me they are the G.O.A.T and btw when I was like 7 maybe 8 years old my older cousin put on the Album Rubber Soul on is portable record player and I was like this is fantastic! Of course been a Beatles fan my whole life as well. Thanks for your video's I enjoy them. Peace and love as they would say back in the day!
Jimmy first wanted Steve Marriott, he was interested but his manager Don Arden put and end to that idea. He asked Page how well he can play with broken fingers .
If I was Jimmy, I’d just send Peter Grant on over to Arden and ‘explain’ to him just why that would never happen!😉 Thanx, Jose!
Interesting facts or opinions. I love Zeppelin especially in the studio they were magical, and most of their albums are great. Live was another matter, very sloppy, they often did Elvis Covers, or blues stuff, and or boogie stiff, even heard Louie Louie, or Hey Joe, and or Everyday People as covers which I actually like, but Jimmy Page was a studio guy, and same with JP Jones, Bonham was great, although he got worse with his drinking then could not drum near as well as when they first started. I have watched or tried to watch most of their live video concerts that were pro shot, what I like about their studio albums was versatility, Indian influenced music, some Folks stuff, obviously blues, psychedelia even Country rock, on Hot Dog . the drums were perfect, the vocal impeccable, bass, and guitars always great , a lot of their material they could not do live or wanted to do live. They were always popular amongst typical rock fans, and in polls on music as well, and will be one of the best bands of all time overall.
EVERYTHING !
Peter grant was a very important part of the popularity and money making of the band, he was the first manager to demand most of the box office $.
Amen Erik! That and more will be covered as I continue my Decoding Led Zeppelin series! Only Brian Epstein cared more for his charges, and even Brian wasn’t the financial wizard Grant was!👌
killer video!
Thanx, Declan!
2 session musicians, a monster drummer and a great vocalist, how could they be anything else?
Suggested topic: What made the Beatles, THE BEATLES? New subscriber. Love this channel for its creativity, and insight. Well done, cheers!
I still have a long promised video called The Beatle Machine! It’ll be right up your alley!😉👍🤙
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Looking forward to it. Many forget that the Beatles first producer was German orchestra leader Bert Kaempfert when Pete Best was their drummer. They don't sound like 'The Beatles' at all. Kaempfert didn't know what to do with them, so he gave them no direction at all. The point being that, without George Martin producing and Brian Epstein managing, The Beatles we know would not have existed.
This is a genius explanation!
5 Stars!
Thanx, Anthony! LZ were just such an amazing band, and what made them great were ALL four of them! Not just one member!
Toni Iommi said the core to Black Sabbath was he and Geezer on bass making a "wall of sound". However he said the core to Led Zeppelin was hands down John Bonham, and that they were a band driven by the drummer. Thoughts?
"Chris lost interest." I wonder how he feels about that decision today. Anyway, that made Zep the first rock band that was comprised entirely of the best players that could be assembled as opposed to 4 or 5 mates forming a band. I disagree that Bonham went more with the guitar. If anything, Bonzo stayed dead center with the bass while Page had a tendency to rush.
Sometimes listening to zep boots John Paul Jones speed on the bass was inhuman..listen to the jam section in WLL on the song remains the same as an example..he actually gets faster and faster as the band jam away..also celebration day on various bootlegs..John Paul’s speed and accuracy within the speed was just unnatural
Agreed! I will be doing a video on my top 5 bassists coming up! I wonder how he’ll do?
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine fantastic! I’m not a bass expert, but I do believe you should listen to Trevor Bolders work on live versions of Width of a Circle with the brilliant spiders from Mars, but something tells me you probably already have!. Trevor’s stuff was more melodic than most of the era. He rarely gets a mention but for some strange reason his bass playing backing up mick Ronson on the above live songs epitomises for me the punkish sort of spirit that was Glam rock. See ‘width of s circle live at Santa Monica 72 and Bowie’s farewell concert recorded for film 73! love your vids bro..regards from Ireland 🇮🇪
Hmm! Melodic bass playing! Who woulda thought! Anything from Mick Robson and his bands of near do wells is just fine with me!
A true ‘Pirate’ of Rock & Roll! And I mean that with reverence!
Zeppelin, to me is in their own league. I love everything from Ray Charles to Glen Miller to Waylon to Judas Priest but nobody moves me like Zeppelin did. They were tapped into something that other bands were not . It was no wonder they were accused of having supernatural assistance
Led Zeppelin is so great because all 4 members were sent to Earth from a far far far greater galaxy !!!
So not a bad review, jonesy was kinda down on what he doing in the studio at the time and had heard about Jimmy looking to put a new group together, Page was not looking to rehab the yardbirds, he had plans to form a new band. Jonesy's wife pushed him to call Jimmy about being the bass player AND since they had played together many times, Page did not hesitate. Terry Reid was Jimmy's 1st choice for vocals but he was under contract and unavailable. Terry did point Jimmy to Robert, so Page and Peter Grant went see Robert up north...yes everything fell into place. Page had asked Grant, the last manager of the Yardbirds, if he would help him put the new band together. When Page mentioned a drummer that he was interested, Plant said no no, my guy's much better...So they went to see Bonzo, and of course Page was blown away.....uh but it wasn't going to be easy..Bonham was married , and his wife Pat had had enough of living wondering where the next pay check was going to come from. She had made Bonzo promise to never play in a band with Plant again, telling him nothing good ever comes of it. It took several telegrams from Page and Grant, of which Bonzo ignored, finally I believe they sent a fancy car to pick him up and he went to Jimmy's for their very 1st jam session.."The Train kept a rollin" was the song that they played....at the end of the song they were all blown away by each others performance and the performance in general. Each member has been quoted as saying ..we knew then we had something special but never imagined it becoming what it did.....Zeppelin toured for a short time as the new Yardbirds due to committed tour dates under the yardbirds contract of which Jimmy and Peter Grant were responsible ...once that was complete it was TMLZ!!
Excellent rundown! Thanx!
Hi Michael, just thinking this morning, I know that comedy teams the three stooges, abbott and costello, klaurel and hardy all were the best at what they did but there were others who did the same type of comedy. marx brothers i think were streets ahead of their type of humor. Now, i know there was heavy stuff arounf before sabbath, like blue cheer etc. plenty of hard rock bands like purple but none could beat them. My question is were there any bands around before led zeppelin that played a similar style of music?
The person who pointed Page to Robert Plant was the great Terry Reid, who also declined Deep Purple prior to them getting Ian Gillan. Worth noting that Page's session buddies included drummers Clem Cattini and Bobby Graham (the latter renowned for the early Kinks singles and all those big Dave Clark 5 hits), both of whom Page had invited to join his new band, which, arguably, would be modelled after his buddy Jeff Beck's first group...which was inspired by the 'Beck's Bolero' session of May '66, when Page was enlisted by the Yardbirds' manager at the time, Simon Napier-Bell to produce a recording (I've read they did three tunes, though only the one surfaced) with Keith Moon, Nicky Hopkins, and John Entwistle. Page would play rhythm. When Entwistle backed out at the last minute, John Paul Jones was brought in. Page did a great job of capturing the dynamics and sheer power of that band, making 'Beck's Bolero' surely the first of the 'heavy' recordings (versus the Who's 'loud' tracks). It was Page who in 1965 produced John Mayall's 'I'm Your Witch Doctor'/'Telephone Blues' sessions where EC's guitar sound - i.e., loud volume - was initially captured (and later replicated by Gus Dudgeon for the 'Blues Breakers' album. As for the engineer on the debut Zeppelin album, that was the superstar of engineering (and producing), Glyn Johns. It was him recording those early Who and Kinks singles plus most everything else including the Small Faces and the Beatles. It is his mic'ing method and aesthetic that Page used. And it was his brother, Andy Johns, who was enlisted after Glyn 'quit' Zeppelin after Page refused to give him a producer credit on that first album. He went on to produce early Steve Miller, the Eagles, Boz Scaggs, the Stones during their late 60s/early 70s heyday, Eric Clapton.... He was always much more than just and engineer - he defined the recorded sound of Zeppelin.
Absolutely spot-on, Wayne! Glyn should have gotten co-producer for that album, especially since it was his mixing techniques that picked up the ‘room’ around his drums, and then re-redefined the excellent work of Geoff Emerick with the Beatles!
Emerick broke the rules by close-mic recording, and then it became the norm! Glyn then with Zeppelin re-broke the rules established by Emerick! My second favorite engineer!😉
Peter Grant was the 5th member of Led Zeppelin!! Peter Grant got them $143.000 secured advance from Ahmet Ergegun. I don’t think any manger has ever did that before. Peter Grant took all the crap from everyone in and out of the music business, so Jimmy Page and the rest of the group can focus on their music. That’s the way it was as long as Led Zeppelin was a group. Peter Grant work with Jimmy Page when the Yardbirds manager quit. Peter Grant like Jimmy Page. I don’t think any others groups got that privilege. Maybe Bad Company did, not for sure, they were sign to Swan Song. Then they were the only group that played by themselves in big concert venues. Play for 2hrs to 3hrs with a encore. Jimmy Page was a innovator & creator of music and his guitars style and other Instruments that weren’t consider Instruments. Jimmy Page was a smart Producer, innovator, engineer, and everything behind the seems. Then you talk about his musicianship and with the others very talented musicians. Best Rock Band Ever!!
Amen, David!
Every comment Micheal makes is echoing things I've been saying about Zeppelin for years. He did lightly, very lightly, mention what I feel was the glue that cemented the band...manager Peter Grant! He had briefly worked for Page in the Yardbirds near their end. Yes, I said that correctly! It was Grant's philosophy that HE worked for THEM. Not the other way around which too many managers seem to believe. Disregarding the usual 33% management take, Grant took 20% of the band's income. 20% to cover ALL the overhead, leaving 80% to be divided by the group as they saw fit. (*side note* The Bonham estate STILL receives John's cut.)
This is what separated Zeppelin from other touring bands of the 70s, in my opinion. It was, and still is, a common practice for promoters to hire a group guaranteed money up front and provide a venue for their performance. Grant cut out the middlemen. He rented the stadiums and/or arenas. He sold the tickets and merch, (their t-shirts, posters, programs, etc...) He hired people to run the concession stand where they sold HIS food and drinks. Again, 20/80 split on all of this! The band was given the freedom to focus on their art, THEIR music, he had their total trust. He promised he would never, EVER, do them wrong and he never did! When Peter needed signatures for various contracts, they knew they had his assurance it was THE best deal.
Sure there were always contracts and paperwork the lawyers would have to sort out, but when you shook hands with Grant before any of that process even started, you had a deal. He demanded respect and admired loyalty. When Zeppelin debuted many critics panned the band. Rolling Stone Magazine in particular was unfairly harsh. He remembered them as much as he remembered the lesser-knowns that helped him along the way. As the band quickly grew and dominated the 70s, many wanted to jump on the bandwagon. Too late. You ignored us then. We're ignoring you now. "Fuck you, Rolling Stone! Jimmy's giving an exclusive interview with Creem Magazine."
Peter Grant was amazing, Phil! I agree with you wholeheartedly! He was a great manager, and the perfect foil to the clap-trap Concert promoters that were ripping them off early! No BS, just worked for his band! Like a junkyard dog!😉👍👌❤️
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine I don't fault the promoters. It's the way things have been done for years. The band gets paid for just playing. They're happy with the agreement, while the promoter takes the risk of selling the show. Grant just things working in his favor if HE did the work behind the scenes. Too many managers are lazy to a fault. Happy to meet with the lawyers and record execs, and eat lunch in Beverly Hills. Grant wasn't shy from those meetings, as long as they were productive. He knew that his hard work and attention would better serve the band while meaning a better income for himself.
Let's be honest here as well. Being the manager of a band like Led Zeppelin had its own benefits as well. He liked being close to the boys. He truly enjoyed their companionship. It was the 70s, man. Would you rather be at the party with a pocketful of Peruvian marching powder and scantily dressed females, or sipping iced tea at the tennis courtside with the wives? Both are fun, I'm sure. One is a bit more costly, granted. The choice is yours.
I hear you regarding promoters however, they were at the point of getting 90% of the draw! Peter said “NO!” And guess what promoters STILL took the 10% he offered them! And they still Mae millions! So how much were these promoters stealing from Rock acts over the years!?
Thanx, Phil! You woke me up thinking this morning!😉👍👌✌️
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLinehow ironic. It's the thinking that makes me tired. Go figure.
JPJ- Yepper- Them Crooked Vultures!
What made Led Zeppelin great were their first 2 albums. I'm sorry, actually I'm not sorry, but I didn't care for any of their other albums. And I hope I never hear Stairway to Heaven again. I think hearing it a million times on the radio is enough. But, as I said before, their first 2 albums were stupendous. I used to love smoking a joint or taking a hit of acid, putting headphones on, and listening to Whole Lotta Love.
There is not a day that goes by that I don't listen to thee best band ever and ever will be
Me too, Doug! They are really the soundtrack to so many people’s lives! We have been blessed to have been alive to witness this wonderful music! It keeps me sane!😉
Wanna here something insane? Led Zeppelin Boots just posted a Zeppelin show from Milwaukee, 1970. Call it up here on RUclips and listen to the first two songs: Immigrant and Heartbreaker. Robert’s voice is waaaay off the hook! He’s louder that everyone else onstage. At this time, he could easily hit those “hot white flash” notes. You won’t believe the Heartbreaker verses leading up to the guitar break. Trust me....
Give me a while to catch up on this performance! I’m about to shoot part 2 to my Most underrated guitarists video! But it’s on my list, luv!
Brother y’ made m’ day!!! Caught up with this wonderful example (despite some phasing on the recording) of Robert!
Everyone! Look this up! -Michael-
Thanx, luv!
I’ve concluded in the past the ‘70-‘72 could vary well be counted as their best years. Most certainly Robert’s peak years. Hear him on Heartbreaker in that Milwaukee tape? His voice could kill any insect in the room here!
What helped the Beatles was the Beach Boys. What helped Led Zeppelin was Blues from Southern States in the USA.
Amen to that ROS! Thank you!👌
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine, you're welcome.
Yes, the two main writers had (roughly) similar tastes in their record collections (to an extent). But the other main aspect is the diversity of their tastes from pure American blues to MIddle Eastern raga back to some American country. The problem today is you get two or however many writers who have listened to nothing but Zep era classic rock or the second era of classic rock like AC/DC and that's it. Very little classical, country, blues, Middle Eastern or Asian influences in the vast majority of them, and that goes along with the marketing of music.
Think about this: as an unknow band, what would happen if The Beatles brought in The White Album or Abbey Road as a demo? They'd get laughed out of the vast majority of offices because "we can't sell this... what are you guys, a blues band? (Yer Blues) a straight rock band? (USSR) acoustic pickers (Julia) avant garde artists? (Rev 9) a heavy metal band? (Helter Skelter)? Ya pick a direction so we can market you. Zep is in the same category, though The Beatles are the extreme example.
Great analysis, especially using the White album as perhaps the quintessential example!
Or what about bands like early Pink Floyd? While they were amazing right from the outset, can you imagine what their record company thought of their earlier stuff?
“What are we supposed to do with a song called ‘Be Careful With That Axe Eugene?” They probably wet their pants, every time that band wrote a new song! Thanx, for your excellent analysis!👌
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Hey Mike! I don't remember where I heard or read this, but it's my understanding that, once the psychedelia stuff was recognized as growing it was actually a lot easier to get a deal (relatively speaking), and a multi release deal also. I guess it was the record execs riding the wave so they were throwing everything up on the wall to see what stuck. How many psychedelic/progressive/whatever bands signed between 1967 and 1969 were still around in say, 1972?
Raga is Eastern, but not Middle Eastern
Couldn't have been any other four
Have you ever seen Jason Bonham Led Zeppelin evening in person. Awesome. Closest your gonna see to real band.
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Thanx, Jacob!
Michael. What are your thoughts on the “hair bands” of the 80’s?
It's interesting to compare and contrast Zep with the Jeff Beck Group. Similar vision of heavy blues-rock coming out of the Yardbirds, even to the point of both doing "You Shook Me" on their first albums, which came out at around the same time. JBG had great musicians as well, but I think Zep edges them out. But I think the biggest difference is the coherence of sound and studio skill that Page brought with Jones' help.
Excellent points! I too think there are cuts on JBG albums that rival Led Zeppelin. But in the end Jeff just like jimmy, never wanted to be pigeonholed! So on to Beck Bogart & Appice etc. etc. etc……
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine: Beck definitely went in some different directions. Neither Zep nor Page ever did anything like Blow by Blow, for instance. Both incredible, distinctive guitarists, though. Stylistically, I much prefer Zep, but I have great respect for what Beck did.
@@victorwilburn8588 Niether one of them ever settled for the same ol’ same ol’!!!
John Paul Jones played on both You Shook Me. He did the organ for the Jeff Beck Group version.
@@edwardcoit9748: Nice, I must have missed that tidbit.
Enjoy the Led Zeppelin content? Hell yes! More, please.
It’s Coming JB!
Sinergy ... 1+1+1+1 is normally = 4 , with Led Zeppelin 1+1+1+1 > 10 !
Agreed can! It’s only happened like that one other time that I can think of, and that was The Beatles! Both band were greater than any individual member!👌
I don't see how people say they copied every Zeppelin song and stairway to heaven was stolen I don't understand pls explain
It really gets down to a lot of Rock bands ‘re-writing’ old blues tunes, which for quite a while, was just not really that big of a deal!
Then with Led Zeppelin, and the British press trying to tear them down, well Zep took the brunt of what a lot of British bands had been doing for years! But Zep found their legs!😉
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Ten Years After was a band that did a lot of blues tunes and reinvented them into powerful rock songs. With an awesome guitar player , Alvin Lee.
Michael did u ever get to watch the video with Elvis page and moon and Cheryl crow
I just finished an episode with Royce In The House, but will look at those tonight, Rick!
I don’t know when Royce will upload his episode on Albums That Changed Rock, but I’m a guest panelist on that. He’s usually good at uploading either later tonight, or tomorrow at the latest! If you see it, let me know what you think, Rick! His channel is on my Channel page!😉👌
Michael did u ever get a chance to see Elvis Presley with page and the gang
Did u ever see Jimmy page play with the beach boys
I have a question - why do rock enthusiasts think they have better taste in music than anyone with any other interest in other genres (be it one or a few, or even all genres)? I can understand talent, technical savviness, knowledge on theory, stage charisma etc, but you see this spread across the board. But rock enthusiasts are like "but no one can beat these bands" (they go on to only list rock bands) 😅 . I am really trying to understand - have I missed something?
Unlike Ed the GOAT, Page didn't play every song in LA hair band style E and C major, or cram a violin bow solo into every song like Ed did with tapping
YES! Abso-mother-freakin’-lutely! Thanx, ed!
You see it with Eddie & Alex Van Halen silly!!
I just finished my Led_Zeppelin screenplay they had multiple engineers
Yes they did! I’ll be digging into them much more as we go along! Hope you get that screenplay published! We NEED a Zeppelin movie!!!!!
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine jusr need a connection
@@MrObelisk2290 Just believe in what you’ve created! And of course, “Don’t take any wooden nickels, bro!
What is their total? 7 hrs music, in what, 14 years?
What's going on with your over- the- top hand gestures ?
Whose better than Led Zeppelin? Proper answer... Noone!
Page had a substantial ego, but he was smart enough to know to surround himself with equals. If he hired sidemen to just fill the space around him he may have been successful and still be able to play the same kind of venues that people like Alvin Lee or Robin Trower could play, but he certainly wouldn't be the icon he is today without the other three. And he wouldn't be filling those venues unless he had kept his chops together like Trower and others of that era have. Zeppelin is by far my favorite band, but Jimmy hasn't been within a mile of the skill level he had in early 1973 since that year.
Surrounding yourselves with your equals or betters ALWAYS is for the good, and Led Zeppelin, like he Beatles were famous for that!
Led Zeppelin was guided, even at first lead (led?) By Jimmy, but each and every other member of the band was as vital as he was. And he knew it!
Good-on-ye’-Jimmy!
Your crazy!
Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones the rest were replaceable.
Dont cry now everyone. But absolutely nothing in my humble opinion.
I think plant was Zeppelin
The consummate ‘Front Man’ of R&R, for sure!
4 master musicians. They could and did play many different genres and. They were just simply the greatest rock band of all time.
Queen is a much better band then Led Zeppelin !!!!!
Beets: Overrated...
Plagiarism helped them I guess.
Do original Van Halen clown!!
Saw em live a couple times. Zeppelin were overrated. Shamelessly ripped off blues musicians without credit. Their concerts were filled with bloated noodling and 20 minute drum solos.
they were ok, but nothing special, sorry...