Is Nuron Better Than FUEL Now?
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
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LEAVE A THUMBS UP GUYS! FANTASTIC review. We want to see more of this! So quick, and to the point. Appreciate the visuals too. I agree... Nuron is really the most un-Hilti thing we could imagine, and they're really committed to making something worthy of attention, investment, and use. Can't wait to see the rest of your reviews!
I 100% agree bro. More videos are coming up
Look what I just stumbled across. Milwaukee Gen 4 2953 impact driver.
ruclips.net/video/KBBIHQEaN_E/видео.html
I own the exact same impacts tools I can tell you for sure after about 2 weeks of use each day for about 5 - 7 hours straight that the Hilti will never go into safe mode , even if it gets really hot will keep going , if for any reason I have to get another impact tool I'll get the Hilti no questions 👍
We need a better test. Show and endurance test. How many continuous screws can Milwaukee and Hilti do before overheating and having to wait befire continuing your work?
I've seen it on steel, the milwaukee went protection mode after like 15-20 min. While hilti was a whole day work without overheating
I'm excited to see the TE-6 IN action. I used a corded one for 10 years back in the day and seriously loved that tool. Can't wait to see the performance of the one you just got.
Hi Mark,
I have the TE6 A22 that is fairly new but not Nuron. It's a real serious piece of kit! So I too am looking forward to the Nuron TE6 test.
Dave.
Love seeing the Hilti stuff very cool showing tools that don't get enough attention!! Good job!!
I thank you bro.
Hey, it's CP in the wild!
@@ManCaverTools plss as next bosch 18v 150c also150nm vs flex 24v 158nm
Dave, love your videos! Thank you.
I own a lot of Milwaukee (and other brand) tools and I can say that, that Milwaukee impact driver for what it does, is sooo good! It’s like Milwaukee hit a home run with it. That Milwaukee impact driver exceeds all my other Milwaukee tools for what it is suppose to do.
Albeit, I always watch all your other impact driver videos (always curious). Thanks again!
Durability and reliability is what's important. Not whether one impact driver is a few seconds faster than another one. Using it on the job you'll never even notice.
.... not true at all. Some of is get paid per bolt... every second equals money, i make 4.5$ per bolt and need to try and do as many as possible (usually i do between 250-300) every milisecond counts my friend.
That's why I'm buying Hilti . I've used both . Milwaukee is great, but Hilti is far more durable . Lifetime of experience behind hard daily use behind that statement. But I get it when on a budget . Choices are difficult sometimes
i’ve been using hilti mainly due to the fact when you need it it’s always up for the task
The hilti design its very nice the ring led is cool
I like the ring light led, more tools should adopt the style.
copied Ingersol rand
A lot have I just wish Milwaukee would 😩
I really like the light around the collet on the Hilti
That should be a standard for all tools of this shape!
@@DubYaJsWorld right i think there is only one other name brand that also has the ring light and skil, menards house brand master force has it
I love that the hilti nuron has the ground glass type ring diffuser that the Ryobi bid11xr has :)
Awesome comparison! Would love to see two equally used and abused tools (IE 2 year old Milwaukee and Hilti impact) and see how they fair after real-world stress like the elements and such. All in all great demo of both too
I did do a video on that already along with battle of the brushless video
one thing i will say about milwaukees impacts is that all of them hit hard and i’m pretty sure they use really high quality springs
One test that would be really good would be trying to drive drywall screws correctly into drywall (piece of plywood or whatever behind it so you can screw wherever). Subjectively say how easy it is, how good they are to use. Past a certain point, torque tests on these are irrelevant. Duration tests would be nice, but its always good to keep a spare battery. I'm curious how they feel to use. How good the trigger responds and feels. Which one feels nicer in the hand.
That light on the hilti is nice 👍🏽
the light on hilti is really cool!
Thanks for showed me, good job 👍
Screwing the second screw so close to the first one will affect the pressure and resistance to go in .
That chuck release on the Hilti is seriously surprising for a high end tool company. Did it get any better over time?
His new video says yes! Just giving you an update in case you haven't seen it. Have a good day!
I own this tool and the chuck is great. So smooth
Great Tool Review ! Do The 1/2 " Anvil Hilti Impact Next .
Keep up the good work. Thanks
Love both Hilti and Milwaukeee both great tool companys.
I agree
No sé cuánto tarde en llegar a México la línea Nuron, pero se ve bastante interesante su tecnología y manejo
Long screws torque on tools in wood performance vs standard repetitive commercial applications is somewhat inverse. Some of those bigger lags you should jump to a 1/2” impact wrench. The backfeed is so hard on those 1/4 tools.
I have used both extensively. The Milwaukee has always been a little faster & a little stronger but the batteries don't last as long. I've experienced the bit getting stuck in both.
It's about time hilti comes out with one battery fits all.
Unless you work for a big company I would recommend the Milwaukee because it's more affordable.
Where hilti shines is their rotary hammers. Definitely best in class clean holes and one battery usually lasts till break time.
The gen 3 does have collet issues. Sent back to Milwaukee they sent me out a brand new gen 3 with the double ball bearing. It’s been perfect ever since.
Crazy how everyone is upping voltages etc and Milwaukee who released it years ago is still on top of the hill. Can only imagine what gen 4 is gonna be like.
Two balls are better than one 😭😭
we will see in the future
We saw it same shit bit bulky but
I have the gen 3 M12 fuel impact driver and it basically shares the technology of the gen 4 m18 fuel. I’ve dropped it so many times and the collet is still in good shape. Also they fixed the chuck wobble in their fuel hammer drill/drivers. The gen 4 M18 fuel is one second faster than gen 3 M18 fuel when driving a 6 inch lag screws.
When the bit gets stuck pull the collet foward and pull the trigger foward and reverse until the bit can be pulled out
Dave, how I was waiting for the video
that light on the hilti makes me wanna buy it
hilti has a brighter light. i like milwaukee a lot but truthfully i don't much about hilti both seem like great tools.
By inserting the second bolt so close to the first one, you're forcing whichever driver goes second to work harder, because the wood in that area will be under more compression.
I dont force tools. There is no point on doing that. These tools are so powerful they dont need assistance. This is an unbiased channel. That even includes HILTI. Most of my HILTI videos are of HILTI losing. HILTI is glad that I am 100% honest about their tools. If I faked my test results to make HILTI win, they would stop working with me.
@@ManCaverTools - I'm sure the tool can handle it and was in no risk of breaking. But I'm also sure that more compressed wood (i.e., right next to an existing bolt) is harder to drive screws into, so that driver has to work harder than the first one, that drove it into less compressed wood. It's just physics.
And I'm not sure I understand your reply (who said anything about "assistance" or "faking videos to make Hilti win"...?), since Hilti was in fact the one that always went second (into more compressed wood), in this video. A level playing field isn't "assistance".
Simply pick a spot _away_ from previous bolts to make sure one doesn't influence the other, and / or randomise or alternate the order (i.e., which tool does each test first), so that any advantage in going first (or going last) doesn't always benefit the same one. That's standard testing methodology in most fields (especially when double-blind tests aren't possible); just because a bias isn't _deliberate_ (or conscious) doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I might have added this reply to the wrong comment. my bad on that. I don't use use logs anymore in my test videos. Im not sure if you noticed or can see but this log has around 30-40 lag holes in it. Both of the tools are going through a lot of compressed wood.
@@ManCaverTools - Holes whose screws have been _removed_ actually make it easier for the wood to deform into the void when a screw is driven in next to them.
The issue is with inserting a screw right next to another one (especially one inserted very recently) because the metal can't be compressed when the new one is being driven in the same way that wood (or a void) would.
@@RFC3514 I know, which Is why I dont use logs anymore in my videos and haven't for a while.
Hey man caver did you send your Milwaukee impact driver in to fix the collet problem from dropping bits out? If so do you know if Milwaukee can fix this problem now?
I did not, I dont have the need to do that
The bolts are too close together and could bind against each other. Can you drive the bolts in farther apart in the future.
Please make a vid with Metabo HTP triple hammer vs new Hilti impact driver. Thanks
Not too concerned about duration tests unless it's out of hand poop. I like seeing tools being tested in their most practical forms. I use a 3aH HO on the gen 3. Sometimes a 5aH if I'm just running decking w/ deck screws or if I need it for only a minute. I'm never gonna slap anything larger than 6aH and that would only be used if my 3s are in my nail gun and drill and I gotta run 6"+ lags. Let me get to half battery or 1 bar down from full since we use these all day, almost everyday and there only fully charged for the 1st minutes of use. I wanna see em drive real fasteners with 3, 2 or even 1 bar and see if and how much the efficiency of the tool diminishes as the battery depletes as it would thru out a normal work day. A tool and battery pair that show little to no loss of power or efficiency at 2 or even a strong 1 bar vs a full or strong 3 bar battery means a lot to us. Having a tool usability decrease quickly as the battery depletes makes us work harder which costs us money.
it would take a lot longer to film duration tests as well.
@@ManCaverTools oh yeah, you'd have to montage/time lapse the majority and unless you work some magic it would be a little dry. Throw the beanz at some mid charged batteries and see which one dies first or at least starts to noticeably perform poorer. Run like five 10" lags per tool and keep going back and forth until one starts to take a nap lol.
If you disassemble these two drills, you'll see the Hilti has much higher quality parts. The Milwaukee might drill faster, but the Hilti will last much much longer.
Lets be brutally honest; the quality isn't all that far off between the two brands. Hilti has always been about the service agreement and warranty, personally.
I'm not so sure anymore. The last couple of Hilti's we bought were made in China and didn't last the year. 1/4-inch impacts. Were still using Milwaukee impacts for over 6 years. And we learned the hard way the Hilti doesn't have same warranty for their China made tools as they do for their German made ones.
@@Scottize1 damn! That's a really nice data. 😔
I don’t think so, the hilti core drill we have is definitely a loser compared to the Milwaukee core drill we have. Slower and more maintenance
I picked up the new Hilti impact one or two weeks ago. Phenomenal quality. Took it apart, and I’m happy with what I saw there too. Quite an excellent value. My only complaint is the awkward batteries and needing to buy a different one for every tool. I don’t want to buy more Hilti batteries. I want to buy more Hilti tools. They want to pick up customers outside of their niche (granted, I did already use their anchors and adhesives). Their employees have been asking me A LOT of questions. Fanboys on Instagram have been crying and then blocking me for going hard with my posts highlighting my negative criticisms. Meanwhile anyone I’ve spoken to at Hilti encourages it. They want to get this line as good as they can make it.
You don't need to buy a different battery for every tool. With the Nuron platform, all the batteries are interchangeable with any Nuron tool. You can buy 30 tools and have one battery run all 30. You may want more batteries as you'll be charging that one battery a lot, but you could definitely run all your new Nuron tools with one battery. When you buy Hilti Nuron tools and batteries, its a la carte. No packages. You buy each tool and each battery individually.
@@kylebyost There’s a not at all surprising power loss when you go to single row packs on most of the tools (although a surprising amount of instances where it doesn’t matter). At the same time, the first “normal” battery is massive. So while all of the batteries will run a tool to some degree, you’re going to need all of the sizes if you don’t want to be miserable.
What's so awesome about it? Its more expensive, it under delivered when looking at the specs, more bulky, bigger battery with the same capacity and underperforms compared to Milwaukee. If anything I would say that it is a waste of money. That extra $20 could go into a nice shockwave bit set.
It’s nicer to use. Has better control. Vibrates much less (Milwaukee is a wild weasel). The entire inside of the Hilti gearbox and hammer mechanism doesn’t slide back and forth a quarter inch like the Milwaukee does. Doesn’t drop bits. You won’t find stray wires coming out the other end of a weak solder joint like the Milwaukee. It doesn’t have Milwaukee’s horrible runout. Should I go on? 😂. The Hilti Nuron batteries are ridiculous and I’m not going to defend them there, ever. You don’t have to get Hilti for most of the pro’s I listed, however. Makita, Dewalt, Bosch and Hitachi hit most of the qualifiers. Hitachi and Dewalt have some bit wobble and the Bosch slides and back and forth pretty bad after hard use. Only Dewalt has the same oomph as Milwaukee, however.
I was thinking the same. It lost virtually all the tests. And when the collet had issues, he didn’t skip a beat in saying that the Milwaukee collet has issues too. Lol eye for an eye. Plus that Hilti battery is huge. Might as well attach a damn microwave to the bottom of that NURON impact.
Lol just because the Milwaukee is a little faster doesn't mean better, you don't buy these tools to race, they are not race cars....these are just RUclips videos, the Hilti shines in other areas, you have to just use each tool to know the difference
Found the fan boy
Actually that Milwaukee 2583 setup is more expensive(430$ + tax). That's an XC8 battery in the video and Milwaukee charges through the teeth for battery chargers
The Nuron SID6 and the b22 8Ah battery together is 366$ Adding a charger is only 40$ so like 406..plus tax
The real issue is that neither of these setups are logical at all: both of these impact driver configurations weigh about _six pounds_ and couldn't place against a 4 pound ryobi impact wrench and actually forfeited(failed) in their Round 2 video.
The Ryobi impact wrench had to intervene and finish the bolt that they both failed to drive.
--- which was a P262 with a *1.5Ah battery* ..The entire setup only weighs 4 pounds + 1oz fully assembled. Two entire pounds lighter than both impact drivers
It's cheaper to ignore BOTH of these impact drivers and just save ~195$. Use the 221$ more powerful impact wrench setup that weighs two pounds less. Two pounds is an entire laptop computer worth of extra weight
That Hilti battery is ginormous
Still like the vid. And I love the channel. Thank you.
The Hilti got beat, by quite the margin!
Those batteries are huge!
Comparison between Milwaukee with high output 3.0 Ah battery and DeWalt power stack battery (with adapter), please!
that will be coming up
The Hilton looks like it runs smoother
Should be a fun series for you
What’s the price for the new battery?
It's wild that despite all these companies coming out with new impact drivers with better specs the Milwaukee is still king it was made 8 years ago flex, hilti, and dewalt came out with brand new impact drivers
My thought too :) milwaukee lets go !! 😀
Dewalt came out with new lower tier impact drivers. There is a new dcf845 xr coming out soon tho.
Agree, the Gen 3 is a beast, although it's just 3 years old, not 8.
I replace my Milwaukee's and Makita's with the triple Hammer and 36V Metabo HPT Hammer Drill, Triple hammer impact driver has more control.and quicker in many applications and the Hammer drill is more powerful-they are also much better priced and Lifetime warranty
Also the 36V AC adapter capability gives me all day run time and can be used on tools like full size 10" table saw, mitre saw, grinder, SDS max rotary hammer, only Full Size 1/2 router, vacuum, portable band saw circ saws
Also had Milwaukee collect issues as well as the Hilti did
Milwaukee impact will be broken in 1 year tho and then a year after that and it'll keep being like that until your warranty is over lol
Sounds like you are in love with the HILTI systems!? No mater how much longer it takes HILTI to accomplish the same thing the Milwaukee dose in half the time??
Man I h a t e hate that Milwaukee impact. So the question is how does the Hilti feel in operation? Does it lean toward the Milwaukee’s lack of control and vibration? Or does it lean toward the finesse of Makita and Dewalt?
if does feel good to hold while its in use. both of these impact drivers do
Go triple hammer-beat control of all the impact drivers for the jobs they are supposed to do
@@ManCaverTools We can agree to disagree on the Milwaukee. 😜 Who knows? Maybe I had a lemon? It’s a beast though.
@@baseballdude8491 I’m way good on impacts, I’m considering a small Nuron kit to go around one of their rotary hammers (I freaking hate the handle on my XGT one) since I already bought the vac. Alas, I’d need multiples of three different types of batteries and that defeats the whole purpose. I owned the Hitachi/MetaboHPT/Hikoki 36v triple hammer (I bought it for the batteries). I know you love the brand but I personally didn’t fall in love with it. The newest 18ga brad nailer from them is friggin great and I’ve been happy with their 16ga and framer. I’m not a fan of their other cordless stuff but I do have a lot of respect for their multivolt approach.
hilti new impact its a powerfuel tool and last long .AND HILTI CREATE TOOLS FOR SAFETY FIRST PERFORMANCE PER CHARGE AND LONG LASTING .They dont care if it is the stroger at all .AWESOME VIDEO DAVID
I agree with you on that. being the fastest and most powerful isnt always a best option
@@ManCaverTools EXACTLY :) THATS A HIGH END TOOL
that my dad teach me buy tool for comfortable and safety first if money not tight. he was first one have cordless drill and hilti hammer drill in his group of carpenter 80's in HK.
i think back in the day his got bosch hammer drill but almost got hurt, after he get hilti
Hi. How did you manage to get such a significant cooperation from HILTI?
Ive been working with HILTI for a few years actually
@@ManCaverTools More super channel.
In what country do you live ?? In our karajina, brands are not willing to support YT channels. AK even so, only for a short time.
Are these two tools soo to say equally in power/torque, cause it seems to me that that milwaukee those the most things faster, am i right? Or is the reason that the Milwaukee has more torque than the Hilti?
Milwaukee’s old ass gen 3 still smokes the Hilti. Dave, I know Hilti just sent you $10,000 worth of tools but be a man, call a spade a spade. Milwaukee cleaned house as always.
That Fuel is a tough cookie
@@ManCaverTools it is. The amount of hype Hilti put on these new tools a person would think they are amazing…. Not saying they are bad but I’m pretty sure a Milwaukee gen 3 is cheaper. I know it’s stronger. Everyone is going to these higher voltages but not gaining anything. I know you like you 12 volt tools Dave, and so do I. I grab my M12 90% of the time when I can. I’m sure Hilti sunk a ton of money into this new line but I’m not sure it’s going to pay off for them.
@@derekbross6958 Hi Derek, I use Hilti and Milwaukee gear and the Hilti is far superior in in every way I need it. The Hilti stuff is not Nuron as it's not really in England yet. I won't get it when it does as I can't see the point for me.......If I was a big contractor maybe. I am really happy with my Hilti gear and I don't like the monster size Nuron batteries. I also feel that all these modern drills are far too hi-tech. I have been a Maintenance manager/ Carpenter joiner for nearly 40 years and don't need a combi drill that's computerised to tell me what setting to use etc. When I drive in a screw to the depth I want I release the trigger.....job done!! 😂😂. I'm probably one of the only buggers left who still uses pilot holes when woodworking. I am however and old style carpenter joiner who loves using all my antique tools such as Disston handsaws and Marples wooden planes and cast steel chisels. The place I work is grade two listed so my old style Carpentry and hand cut joints comes in handy. Plus I'm nearly 60 so buying a load of new gear is pointless. But it's Hilti all the way for me.
Dave.
@@davesheppard8797 Fair enough, everyone has their opinions. As a contractor I’ve also used both. I was with Hilti years ago and didn’t have an issue with the tools themselves really. I found the platform to be very limited, and yes Hilti is trying to address this now, and overpriced. So I switched to Milwaukee and haven’t looked back and have been happy. As I said everyone has there preferences but my point was if a company is talking up their tools as much as Hilti has been doing recently you would expect them to at least keep up with a competitors version that’s over 3 years old and from what I’m seeing that’s not the case. In my opinion, and again this is just my opinion, you can get superior tools for less money then Hilti.
@@derekbross6958 Hi Derek,
My Hilti combi has more power than my Gen 3 Milwaukee combi and I don't have the trigger issues, overheating and loose battery that I get with Milwaukee. I personally find the Gen 3 impact far too powerful for what I use it for......PZ2 & 3 pozi screws. It just spins the bits out. That being said, I totally agree with you about Hilti's boast that it has much more power. The Gen 3 beats the SID 6 all round. I love my SID 4 for what I do.....it's perfect. If I was driving hex headed lag bolts all day though I would have to go with the Milwaukee. Personally I can't understand the hype that's surrounding NURON. A whole new battery platform and new tools that basically give you a longer run time. Putting a screw in 1.5 seconds quicker than the old Hilti doesn't impress me! I have 4 Hilti drills and 5 various batteries ranging from 2.6-8 amp hour, so I'm not bothered about longer run time. I have to say that the twin battery Hilti breaker is impressive but I have no use for anything that heavy being a Maintenance manager of a Theatre. I feel that NURON is aimed at big construction firms rather than the little guy like me. I certainly won't be changing my SF6H, TE 6 or SID 4 for NURON. Going back to Dave's test.......the Hilti looked very unimpressive against the old Gen 3 Milwaukee and there is talk of a Gen 4 soon! Hilti's upgrades aren't nearly enough for people to change battery platforms if they are happy with Milwaukee.
Dave.
Gotta give the screws more space in between
I do admit that sometimes they are too close.
It’s so funny that all these brand new top of the line tools from whichever manufacturer can’t keep up and in some cases barely edge out the old ass m18. Imagine when Milwaukee comes out with a gen 4.
Exactly. I suspect Gen 4 is right around the corner i bet Milwaukee has solid state batteries coming soon
I hope so. The new pouch lithium batteries are lookin good. Hopefully big red keeps up or surpasses it
I do agree, that m18 is a fantastic product
Sheer power isnt the only quality required for a good driver. Milwaukee prioritise it and that appeals to users who want or need the most power and fastest driving times. Makita are the best on ergonomics. Hilti has probably the best longevity. Depends what you need and value from the tool - the other brands aren't failing to match Milwaukee's power because they can't but because they choose not to.
Milwaukee don't need gen4. Gen3 is so good that I don't think they can improve.
2 in a row the milwuakee didn't drop the speedbor? Wild. I need that collet on mine lol
I was testing out some Milwaukee stuff last year and got the impact with the newer collet. It only dropped a bit once.
Do you think you could add a dewalt dcf887 or 850 to these tests? I’m team bumblebee and my coworkers are team red
yes I can
Noone can disagree on Milwaukee power, but hilti just sounds and looks better to me. I wish to try hilti one day, but it seems like a smooth ride
Well Uncle Fryer. I own the older SID4 Hilti and he Milwaukee fuel. I mostly use pozi screws rather than hex head stuff and the Milwaukee is just far too powerful to screw in pozi screws as the PZ2 bits just spin out. The Hilti on the other hand is much better and much more comfortable. Obviously if you drive lag bolts all the time you would appreciate the extra power of the Milwaukee. I have Hilti & Milwaukee combi's too and the Milwaukee Gen 3 is crap compared to the Hilti. Half the time the Gen 3 trigger doesn't work and it gets hot really quickly on simple tasks.
Dave.
@@davesheppard8797 yes, I returned my Milwaukee drill because it was getting overheated. I see I'm not the only one
@@UncleIvan1 Yes.....Mine overheats! My old Gen 2 didn't overheat but had major trigger issues. I sent it back and it was 3 weeks before I got it back.......Now...this is where Hilti certainly has the edge. A while ago my old assistant dropped my Hilti Gen 1 SF6H combi down a deep street drain while repairing the steel top rim. The drill still worked but sounded a bit weird on the run-out. I rang my local Hilti rep and he was with me within half an hour with a replacement like for like drill. Mine was then sent off and was back to me within 24 hours. The Hilti rep then collected the other drill from me that he had given me. I lost about half an hour of working time rather than 3 weeks waiting for my Milwaukee!! Obviously I have other drills to use if I get into problems but if the Milwaukee had been my only combi I would have been stuck. There was also no charge at all from Hilti.
Dave.
Oh yeah I agree with the power of Milwaukee. However I strongly disagree on the Reliability of Milwaukee tools especially their Impact Drivers and hammer drills. When it comes to the reliability and the parts availability Milwaukee is a Garbage they don't last that long their performance is just only from the beginning and they end so quick. that's why I don't invest on Milwaukee tools. And I have never been a fan of just one tool brand alone. I have 8 different brands in my jobsite and at home. I got DeWalt, Stanley, Craftsman, Bosch, Ryobi, Makita, Hitachi and Harbor Freight Hercules brand. I always buys tools that are great value and at great price. The only Cordless tools that I have are Impact Drivers for all the brands I mentioned. Mid-range and Hi torque impact wrench, Hammer Drill (DeWalt, Makita and Craftsman) and got some backup cordless circular saw and backup angle grinder. (DeWalt, Makita and Hitachi) The rest of my tools are still corded especially the cutting tools and grinding tools such as Miter saw, Table saw, Benchtop Band Saw, Drill press, Hammer drill corded (Bosch), Rotary hammer drill (corded Bosch), corded Table Router, Corded Router, Solder gun and other hand tools such as wrenches and sockets. I got Inverter Generator that is small, compact and powerful enough to power up the air compressor to run my Pneumatic framing nailer and Finish Nailers. All of my tools fit inside my box truck. No I don't use pickup truck or van as a contractor. I use box truck 4WD with hydraulic lift gate and it's been a great investment.
@@twinbee4243 thanks for sharing your life story 😄😉
The Hilti seemed to drive that 8 inch lag better than it drove the 6 inch huh?
The Milwaukee did as well. That is one problem with wood. its inconsistent, thats why I do the tests next to each other. so its around the same density of wood, or at least try to be
Cool video 🤟 expensive also 😂
How did you get this price for the Hilti? because in france it's 468€.
that is the price of these tools in North America
Do you have to buy hilti power tools online?
These new Nuron batteries are next level chunky but at the end of the day both tools are going to get the job done
The Nuron uses a 2P/6S pack (two parallel sets of six 2170 batteries in series) while the M18 uses a 2P/5S (two parallel sets of five 2170 batteries). Simple physics: the Hilti battery HAS to be larger. The better question is what kinds of workloads benefit from the additional watt-hours of the larger battery? Unless you make your living with these tools I'm going to say there's no practical difference. In fact, for home/DIY use the Milwaukee M12 line is probably more than enough for most honey-do lists.
Are we sure driving in the Hilti's fasteners _right next_ to the ones already embedded by the Milwaukee isn't making the Hilti's job much harder?
That’s what I was thinking
well given that in his latest video Neuron vs old Hilti, he does the same thing drilling the neuron fastners, right next to the old Hilti's fastners, and it beat the old Hilti by a wide margin, so I dont think it makes much difference.
@@rocketmunkey1 I mean, I understand it's likely the Milwaukee is still the better impact here. It's just a potential variable of testing that I see which could make the results less empirical. I'd imagine the second screw might need to go through higher-pressure wood that the first screw caused or actually physically bind up on the first, especially if they're long screws.
@@h8GW Yeah I suppose it could have a slight effect, but not much. equally it could be argued that its a fairer test because the screws are being driven into the same area of wood where the woods density is likely to be similar. perhaps it would have been best to alternate which drill went first
The Milwaukee is way more powerful, either way. And they’re impact drivers driving screws into wood so… not really.
Hilti looks nice but that battery is hu nore mus! 🤣 Otherwise I like it. I like it alooot
Will anything ever beat big red?
I almost wish I would have invested into Hilti instead of DeWalt sometimes. Their offerings are highly impressive and the warranty is unmatched
What’s the warranty on their drills and impacts for example?
@@BlessedFallout 25 years...I went with DeWalt because their the only American-Owned company left. Unfortunately the warranty is only 3 years. Not that I've even had one problem with my DeWalts but still 25 years gives insane peace of mind
25 years on defects...
@@layneblack6876 you're right, I just actually looked into it and it's a 20 year limited warranty and only 2 years wear and tear. I guess I don't feel that bad anymore lol
The only advantage is the 2 year warranty they'll replace anything even if you dropped it off a boom lift or something, other than that it's whatever. I still have all hilti lol
after all the hole you made milwaukee was the faster, hilti is ok but not for the money it like snap-on tool. nice video thanks
yes it was,
I broke my gen 3 impact driver and they send me a new impact with 2 ball bearing i have no issue with this impact
I am glad they fixed it
I bought a Milwaukee brushless compact is that a good impact I'm still waiting to get it shipped
The kit form with contractor bag
@@markdatoolman9798 yes good pick
Canadian prices?
Just got my sid 6-22, no clue how they managed to harness the power of the sun in that LED
The Milwaukee is by far the best impact driver I have ever used. However, when it finds a task it doesn't like it just seems to give up and never starts again. When you pull the trigger there's a short beep but no action, as if there's a safety that shuts the tool down. They don't burn out, they just quit. Has anyone else found this? By the way I've seen this happen to at least 5
I have just given my Milwaukee Gen3 impact away to my work mate. I find it too manic and like all my other Milwaukee junk it has trigger issues. My Hilti SID-4 (not Nuron, don't see the point) is slower but so smooth and easy to use all day with no user fatigue. My Gen3 combi is also crap compared to my Hilti SF6H A22. After just drilling in a few dozen screws the Gen 3 combi gets really hot. I have heard that the Gen4 gets even hotter!! I'm not really short of money, love tools and so bought Hilti and Milwaukee and I find all the Milwaukee gear is just substandard. I am 60 years old, live in England and have a love of hand tools. I am a collector of original Disston saws, Marples Cast steel chisels, old wooden jack and smoothing planes, rebate planes, rosewood squares and gauges. I am a Maintenance Manager of a large Theatre where on occasions I have to hand cut timber joints such as dovetails and mortise and tenon as part of the ongoing restoration I do.
Dave.
When the attachment gets stuck Just tap on a piece of metal to release it and it will come out of the collet.
You already know I'm a Milwaukee guy, BUT, every major contractor I've worked with, who has 50+ guys, goes with Hilti. You can't beat their service, fleet system and 24hr replacement policy. That's their niche, and they are the best in the industry for that. And there is nothing bad about their lineup.i am, however, surprised that they don't offer a feature like One Key, for inventory management or theft protection like Milwaukee or Dewalt. The fleet system, where you've got tools all over multiple jobsites with multiple employees, I'd think you'd want that feature. Maybe there are proprietary or legal patent cases, I wouldn't know.
HILTI warranty is a darn good one
Hilti does have inventory management. It's called On!Track and the fleet management system comes with theft protection. Both are excellent programs
Hi Dave,
Dave from England here. I use Hilti and Milwaukee. In my opinion the Hilti gear is far superior to my Milwaukee gear. I don't really get what Nuron is really about apart from longer run time and a bit better performance. I think this is fine for big construction companies (The Nuron breaker is incredible!!) But for me a Maintenance manager and Carpenter/ Joiner I can't see must difference or benefit to me over my new-ish 22 volt non Nuron stuff. The standard 22 volt gear is superb and the best I've used in 40 years but "Nuron" certainly isn't worth buying new drills for. There is an adaptor so you can use the standard tools with Nuron but it makes the tool so big and bulky. Also this new SID 6 Hilti doesn't out perform the Milwaukee Gen 3 so not a great jump there from the SID 4 I own. I also own Milwaukee Gen3 combi and impact and neither are as nice as the Standard Hilti stuff. The Hilti combi I have is more powerful than the Gen 3 combi but the Gen 3 impact is much more powerful than my SID 4 Hilti. I still prefer the Hilti though. In your comparison the New Hilti lacked the power of the old-ish Milwaukee. Not that I need the Gen 3 impact power but Hilti's claim of a lot more power is unimpressive against the old Gen 3. I love and use Hilti......I just don't think this new Nuron makes that much difference......certainly not for me anyway.
Dave.
I personally love milwaukee, apart from the fmcs metal saw the hilti one of the lads on site has is the absolute k9s nads and glides through unistrutt like it's butter where as the milwaukee snags like mad. I use the m12 platform as well as the M18 and again there kit is spot on.
@@kaimccalla2936 Hi Kai, I much prefer my Hilti combi and impact over my Milwaukee combi and impact....... I do though also have the Milwaukee M18 fuel 6 1/2" Circular saw (for Timber) and that thing is incredible!! The trigger has recently started playing up like all my Milwaukee tools but the performance for a cordless saw is amazing. The fuel jigsaw is powerful too but vibrates a bit too much and again.....trigger issues. I would love to buy the Hilti Circular saw but I can't imagine that it would outperform the Milwaukee. Glad you enjoy your gear though mate 👍👍
Dave.
we will see how the new HILTI performs in future videos. a lot of these tools require a break in period, which is why I usually do a few videos on them before I go against other brands. but it didnt do too bad for its first video. More tests will be done and we will see. I do think their will be a major improvement compared to the previous model impact driver. that video is coming up soon
@@ManCaverTools If there’s ever a case for break in periods…my vac is performing MUCH better than it was initially. I don’t get it. There are no gears. It’s brushless. This does not compute. Still having a lot of issues with Bluetooth causing the battery to bug out.
That battery is masssssive
Milwaukee gen 3 for the win
Could driving the hilti screws directly beside the first screw have an affect because the wood surrounding the first screw has been compressed and is now more dense than the wood without a screw? Seems like it would be negligible, but just a thought.
The battery on the hilti is the size of a frying pan
I do agree that it is a big battery
How is the vibration on the Hilti please?
neither of them are bad on on vibration at all
@@ManCaverTools cheers
Plumber's and Tinnies want to see things go through steel. I know its more expensive than scrap wood, but cutting and drilling wood isnt how pro-grade tools are judged or valued by their owners.
Nobody out here buying Hilti's $700 Drill + battery combo to build their deck.
sid6 vs sid4👍
You could’ve done it a bit more fare, when drilling in the first screw you should have drilled the next one apart from the first to not have the first be in the way or stressing the wood for the other to drill in
my most recent videos and tests are better than this now
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Tap the collet slighty itll release
Old faithful. Milwaukee cleans house again.
Man you could build walls with them hilti batteries 😂😂😂
It's too bad all the new Hilti stuff has to be bought seperately as they don't have any package combos at all. Also they're passing the shipping onto the consumer as they won't be stocking any of the tools in their stores for some time
I do agree that HILTI needs to make a discounted kit with combo kits.
@@ManCaverTools yeah for sure it's crazy spending $120 for a bag seperately when you're spending like $1300 already just for 3 tools and 3 battery's and charger lol
Hilti vs ryobi??
Run in reverse to release the bit.
Milwaukee king of tools.
Nobody can beat him in 18v platform
I was expecting more from the hilti tbh
I didnt think it did bad at all, more videos will be coming on it
Milwaukee is king of impact drivers hands down !! Regardless black and yellow black and yellow
flex will clap those cheeks 🤣
The Triple hammer(Metabo HPT) has the best control and feel for all the jobs an impact driver was intended for-Ive had too many of my Milwaukee collets drops bits and get stuck
As usual, you buy Hilti for the service and the warranty.
I've sent an old TE-2 S (out of warranty since years ) for repair (broken gear and selector). 2 days later the machine was back repaired. They even exchanged the cord.... Grand total : 80CHF
Hilti will never out power milwaukee. I think for Hilti it will never be about that. They just make fantastic tools. Once you own them you will never want another
Brand. Look at the quality of that impact and how beautiful it looks! That coming from a milwaukee guy. Just the design, and how it feels, it is not even comparable even the slightest to the fuel impact. Absolutely love the SID 4-22 and I love my new SID 6-22. Haven’t had issues with collet either. But that fuel impact is a BEAST with power. But can’t stand the annoying high pitch wining sound mine makes when sitting idle after use , trigger issues, lose battery and just doesn’t have the durability Hilti does in my opinion. Unless your using these tools
To do this extreme testing 24:7, what does it matter for a lag bolt to be a few seconds behind lol For HVAC I have ZERO complaints, with ZERO problems. Can’t say the same about my milwaukee impact, or other milwaukee tools. Always in the repair shop
With that said still looking forward to milwaukee gen 4 impact!
we will see in the future
Hi Anthony,
My Hilti SF6H A22 combi pisses all over my Gen 3 Milwaukee combi in every respect. And the Hilti works all the time and is so much smoother to use and doesn't overheat like my Milwaukee. I find Milwaukee too overhyped and uncomfortable to use all day. Yes.....I get the trigger issues too. I have the Gen3 Milwaukee impact and the Hilti SID 4 and I much prefer the Hilti.
Dave.
@@davesheppard8797
I agree with the hammer drill. It is a beast. I never liked the older brushed model, but the new one is very nice 👍
I do respect and love milwaukee for it’s power. But after having the sid 4, there isn’t any comparison, other than lack of power. That’s the only drill I want to reach for, even more than my new sid 6 lol. I just love the feel and performance of Hilti tools. They are truly exceptional in design, and when you put them next to another manufacturer it shows! Only brand I have a hard time with getting them dirty haha
The new impact is very nice although I prefer the smaller batteries since I’m not banging in lags or anything difficult 24/7
I will say they could have improved the 12v drill, I love that drill but they could have had speeds on it, quick connect, and don’t like the light on base of tool. And feel they can shorten the length. But nevertheless no complaints with the 22 line 👍
@@SkilledLabor Anthony......Er........I get upset if My Hilti SF6H, TE6, or SID 4 get dirty!! 😂😂😂. They still look brand new!! They are sooo nice to use all day though with no user fatigue. I have a corded Hilti TE1 SDS I got 2nd hand from a contractor 35 years ago. He left it behind and never bothered to collect it. After numerous phone calls to him he told me to either throw it away or keep it myself as he had already upgraded to a newer Hilti SDS and he had thrashed it to death anyway!! I was using a shiny new Makita SDS at the time so the TE1 became the SDS bitch (😂😂) used and abused my all my young trainees and everyone else!! 35 years on and that TE1 is still as smooth as silk to use, keeps up with modern SDS drills and has outlived many shiny Makita's and DeWalts etc. I now care for it properly and give it the respect it deserves. It is my No1 go-to corded combi.
Dave.
@@SkilledLabor Also Anthony, I bought the Hilti Gen1 SF6H combi just before the Gen 2 came out. I wasn't really impressed with it as it was quite slow (1650 rpm) and not really inspiring. It was however comfortable to use. The Gen 2 brushless SF6H though is amazing I think. Much better than my Gen 3 Milwaukee fuel combi, that has trigger issues, loose batteries, whiney, and gets hot really quickly. I think the Gen 2 I had was better. Didn't like the silly one-key though......that never got used. I tell the drill what to do....It doesn't tell me!!! 😂😂😂. I have a brilliant trick I use when drilling in screws!!! As soon as the screw has gone in as deep as I need it, I release the trigger!! (Clever huh? 😂😂). Take care Sir and I wish you joy with your Hilti's.
Dave.
I'd rather have a collet that releases all by itself than one that doesn't release at all. Turns out it's a feature not a defect.
lol
All these years and scandalous marketing "gimmicks" such as "better connections, stacked lithium, 24v 36v etc." and milwaukee is still the KING OF THE HILL! I love Milwaukee! ❤️ 💣💥🥰😊
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talked to some hilti reps today... sorry but these monster battery packs have got to go... thats the great part of the cpc series... its so sleek, and same for milwaukee, im just sick of their cases coming loose and batteries having issues charging/discharging
these battery pack are also designed for the big tools. imagine if the m18 batteries can work on the MX Fuel tools. that is the difference. I think it was a good compromise