Most Powerful Circular Saw? Dyno'ing DeWALT, XGT, Hilti, Ridgid & More
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2023
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Which cordless circular saw makes the most power? Every brand claims to have industry leading power, but surely that can't be true. Today we take a look at the 1st half of contenders on our list in the form of the DeWALT Power Detect DCS574, Makita XGT GSH01Z, Hilti SC 30WR-22, Ridgid R8657 and Kobalt KXCS 124 to see which has the staying power to take on the rest of those at the top.
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As always, the creator of this channel works in product development for Astro Tools, who don't make circular saws but always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool! 
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Excited to see the dewalt 60v next. Thing is a beast.
Amen
Doesnt surprise me that Makita pulls this off. By far, the best and smoothest saws ive used. Also, how compact it is, and I bet it would score the best for less vibration.
Nope, Hercules for the win
Please test the skil worm drive saw. I really want to see how that beast performs in instrumented testing.
I'm putting my money on the DeWalt 60V Flexvolt. That thing will rip anything without bogging down. Ripping 2 inch thick LVL. No problem.
I'm with you on that. That saw is a monster, especially with a 9Ah FV battery. FlexVolt to rule them all!
You should see cordless vs gas chainsaws. Maybe make an adapter on the spindle of it
Gas is pretty easy, engines already rated in HP can convert to watts. Cordless, we've found their drive shaft outputs are each pretty unique and hard to adapt to a motor so far
@@TorqueTestChannelwhy not just use a chain drive? Just cut the end off a bar and mount the motor to it with a sprocket.
@@ionstorm66 Are there any chainsaw chains that fit correct that dont have teeth? We'd rather keep most of our arms in testing
@@TorqueTestChannel chainsaw+bench grinder= teeth go bye bye
@@TorqueTestChannelinstall a bike sprocket where the chain drive attaches and use a bike chain, you can mount the chain saw to a jig to keep tension on it
I have the Dewalt 60v DCS578B, it's a beast, and it feels way more powerful than the milwaukee circular saw I use at work (which I think is the 2732-20). And when I bought it, it was $170, roughly the same price as all the other dewalt circular saws.
Great video as always! I’m really excited for the new tool testing that’s gonna happen soon, both from Milwaukee (the insider ratchet looks really cool) and the Astro tools you helped design!
I bought the Makita hypoid saw, the thing is a total beast. Mine is plug in. But still a beast.
Outstanding channel! Very accurate and worthy testing of actual arbor output, no bogus claims cutting materials of variable density. The most capable saws should be the Flex rear handle on 24V Stacked Lithium 10AH battery and DeWalt Flex rear handle 60V on the largest battery they make. Interested to see the Skilsaw rear handle worm beast! I have all the most capable cordless and found them to meet and even outperform the best 15AMP corded!
Again great channel! Keep up the superb work! Subscribed
Definitely should try the 60v flexvolt dewat it has twice the power of any other cordless I've used and not much more expensive than the 20v
don't underestimate the 36V Metabo HPT rear-handle
If you checked his chart of upcoming tests it's on there. this is just Round 1.
@@rossb5593 excited to see what it does compared to others. I do know from personal experience it's a beast though
I have the non-flexvolt XR and it sucks, wish i paid a little more for the 60v capability
@@justinhartsell4418Fully agree. I have owned it for 2 years and still going strong.
It would really be great to see Bosch in the mix for these big tests.
I have the XGT rear handle 7 1/4 and love it. It is a little heavier but noticeably more powerful than the older 18x2 lxt. The bigger 10 inch XGT is a beast too! I could mail you one to try out.
So last fall I bought a ridgid tool only for $89. Also own six 4 amp batteries so my deal crushed your chart👍🏼It’s a pleasure to use, weight below my ‘89 porter cable corded.
Great review! Could you do a vibration test on them in the future like you did with the angle grinders?
DeWalt's 60v saws are monsters. I've had people joke about my "outdated" Flexvolt tracksaw until they see it in action.
track saw?
It'll just take a hit in scoring for the cost of batteries.
@@proscriptus Those flexvolt batteries are pricey, but Dewalt often has sales going on. Example, I got the 578 model with 2, 9 ah batteries and a 380 reciprocating saw for $450.
@@UncleIvan1 Correct, DCS520.
@@proscriptus In addition to what the other commenter stated, the 60v batteries are comparable to other high voltage batteries, and are able to be used for other applications like weedeaters. Not to mention they're cross compatible with your 20v tools, so they provide a lot more value when examined as an eco system.
Great test! now we are just missing the Bosch saw tested, locally to me in Europe the GKS 18V-68 C PROFESSIONAL is stated to be equivalent to a 1800w corded tool.
I think we get that one in North America as the GKS18V-25CN
This ☝
@@gtimbraWe're putting a list together of saws recommended to us during these videos and we'll be doing the bulk of those too. Will add Bosch
@@TorqueTestChannel The track compatible version GKS18V-25GCN is supposed to be somewhat more powerful than the standard Bosch saw.
4thewin tested a whole bunch of 7 1/4 saws pretty thoroughly. The Bosch should be similar to the Dewalt tested in this vid.
Makita XGT, Dewalt DCS 577 and the Flex should be the most powerful.
Very good video. I would also be interested to see the Bosch Biturbo tested.
I really like your channel, it's packed with great information.
I have to say though that very few jobs have a supervisor standing behind you keeping track of exactly how long you take to complete your job or how much force you have to provide to do it.
Thanks for the unbiased comparison.
Oh most definitely, you have a point. We work on the automotive side of things, and really its just about less annoyance, wear and tear on your body. If I can have an impact do something in 2 seconds rather than listening to it for 10, it adds up at the end of the day in my general fatigue working with power tools.
Another great video! Will you also be testing smaller saws like Dewalt's DCS571 of even smaller; the Bosch GKS 12V-26?
I've been using the XGT saw for a couple years for framing work and it's still running strong. I wish it had the 0° notch the base the M18 fuel saw does for ripping, other than that i have no complaints.
Makita make the best saws, and when its most powerful in addition its an easy choice. Had the 7.5”XGT almost 2 years, the magnesium base fits directly on Makita rails, the cut quality is amazing even with standard blades, still didnt need to fit fine tooth blades.
Awesome comparison. I would like to see how the Makita XSRO1Z 18V X2 rear handle compares for sure. I have one if you have trouble finding one for any reason.👍
Excellent job on the data, format and presentation. I wish you reviewed computer parts and other tech 😝
I love circular saws I use a Dewalt flexvolt 60v. It works as well as a corded saw. Not as much as premium ones mind you. Also there are worm style saws. I also have a Dewalt flex volt non 60v which is a solid saw with a 6ah flexvolt battery.
I like the value of straight cuts that guide tracks capable saws bring to the table. It would be interesting to see how these non-plunge guide track saws do.
Wow your channel is growing. It wasn’t that long ago you were at a few k. Congrats.
I want to see the Bosch PROFACTOR GKS18V-25CN. There's a more expensive track compatible one with the -25GCN designation but it should not make any difference in performance; it just brings a control panel with speed selection and battery life
Yes seconded
I own a skill mag 77 worm drive. Also a ryobi cordless. Love them both
Hey, it would be really interesting to see how the festool hk55, and the mafell would perform. thank you for your great videos
I hope you pick up a 5ah or 8ah makita XGT battery at some point. They really add power to these saws.
Yeah. For cross cutting small battery is fine. For ripping 5 AH makes a difference.
Good to see I am not missing that much with the 4ah XTR battery.
I would love to see some Bosch in here. Thank you nonetheless. Very informative.
Good stuff, can't wait to see the next batch of saws!!
Love my Blade left makita… curious to see how those compare later.
It was pretty cool to see Hilti make an appearance here, always had a lot of faith in their tools.
I just gave up on my Metabo 18v metal cutting circ saw in favor of the M18 fuel 8" metal cutter, what a difference. It's too bad there aren't more options in the cordless metal cutting circular saw arena, that's a video I'd like to see.
I’ve always liked Makita and Hilti due to their independent ways.. and always admired Hilti’s heavy, industrial tools.. their 18v stuff has seemed pretty underwhelming, though.
really cool, interesting and informative video as always, thank you for the effort you put on every video. I would really like to see the Hercules saw in this comparison, hope you can do it. regards.
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Now that you have tested so many different tool across battery platforms, I would love to see a video where you compare the companies against each other. Not only testing the individual tools but how many of their tools score well along with how long their catalogs are for tools offered, and change up the math for the value chart since a person wouldn't need to buy a battery with each tool.
I thought about this as well. They all use the same or similar cells across their product lineups so it would be hard to match like that. Ah to Ah testing would be a good measure though. Runtime and peak output
yea I imagine it wouldn't be the easiest thing to do. Although he could restrict the tests to tier/Ah ide love to see just how each brand stacks up against eachother. The price of some tools are easier to swallow when you have already choked on the initial BatRay cost. @@D3M3NT3Dstrang3r
So as much as it sounds good, Flex and Milwaukee will be at a close 1 and 2 and as messed up as it is by the cost to performance metric they use Kobalt and a couple others will be way up there. However Chervon which is Flex, Kobalt, Skil, Ego and a few others or TTI which is Milwaukee, Ridgid, Ryobi, are the best parent companies. So go with Chervon or TTI and be happy with a good warranty and good tools for the price. Hilti would be way up there but they aren't really a fair competitor for most brands and the price point just breaks most people on them. Hilti is for big companies with big budgets cause they do have the absolute best warranty in the tool game. Flex was doing 20 years which was just as good but I think they've stopped it.
@@mattadams7922 Or go with a brand who's parent company isn't headquartered in China.
Just a suggestion.
@@joshuaking34Such as:
I know the blade's the other way around, but damn I'd like to see the new Ridgid rear handle and the Makita XGT 10 3/4" saw
Also, looking to see how the 60v 578 does. I bought it a few years ago and it's been a beast with the 21700 9/3ah packs. No reason to rotate it off the work van during these few years.
Being a Makita guy, I’m excited, but at the same time, that Flex is the equivalent of a samurai sword in a tornado🌪️🗡️
I'm all Makita, especially for saws. I use Makita saws for their smoothness and quality. I'm sure the other XGT saws will be plenty powerful, and I'd bet much smoother than the others.
@@luisprieto4589 I am pretty happy with Makita too, the XGT saws are unfortunatly not that light anymore. And I do not use Makita for chainsaws.
@@petermuller3995 I personally don't have a chainsaw, but if I did I wouldn't buy Makita for that. I actually like a little bit of weight on my rear handle saw. For me, less vibration is the most important thing in a saw and Makita is the best there.
Bosch Profactor GKS18V-25GCN please 🙏
Would love to see the flex in-line 6 1/2 inch saw stack up against the rest
Me too
I would love to see some 3/4 air impacts being tested. I have a Cornwell CAT3225A which is a rebranded IR 2146, but I'd also like to see aircat, CP, Earthquake and the like. As always, amazing content
I want to see how the 60v dewalt does, compared to a 20v Milwaukee circle saw the power difference is night and day.
20V Milwaukee?
m18 is 20v max@@henrymahoney7072
I’d love to see you guys get your hands on a 5/8AH 40V pack. Also the Makita GSR01 is an absolute beast. I am trying to get the new BL4040F and the GA053 40V grinder, it’s supposed to be an 1800W grinder and it spins at 10,500 RPM!
Watched, liked, please do one with handheld blacklights. They great for spotting scorpions at night!
Since a lot of the tools lately have been used (at least as a curiosity) with their bigger batteries, it would be interesting to see how some of the V20 line works with the 9.0 AH battery compared with the 4.0. From what I've watched, the circular saw in particular really wakes up with the 9.0, and I would wonder if the new high-torque could break 700 ft-lb with it as well. I know with my leaf blower, there is a noticeable difference compared to the 5.0 it comes with.
I really didn't expect the makita saw to be on top in this list. I own one, got it to help my plunge saw ripping boards as more powerful one until I got 270mm(10-5/8") saw. It is quite accurate and has a sturdy base, not every saw has it. Can't wait to get hold on 6-1/2" model, should be lighter with same(or more) power.
I'm not surprised at all. It's makita, they make brilliant saws.
TTC is like the Gamers Nexus of tool reviews. Subscribed of course.
For over half my life I used a corded worm-drive saw which kept the blade on the left and made cutting (the viewing of the cut line mostly) extremely manageable. I would only use the direct drive corded saws for metal or concrete board or other weird non-lumber stuff. But I have to say I've gotten used to the direct drive battery saws to the point where the corded saw seems clunky. Thanks for the great content!
They make left blade direct drive that are shaped like worm drive.
Both left and right saws, are easy to operate, and the myths going around about a Worm Drive saw being "so much easier" are really not true at all. I have a Makita 1990's Worm Drive (hypoid) drive saw that is so heavy and unbalanced, and it makes great cuts because it's so heavy, but it only turns 4,400 rpms which is way too low for building fine furniture or cutting nice finished laminated woods. A right blade saw, you don't get any dust blowing back in your face. This is the major benefit to holding a right blade saw, in your right hand. You can still do all the same stuff, but the sawdust shoots away from you, instead of back in your face. The left blade Worm Drive saws are ideal for framers who enjoy sawdust in their face (many men seem to love being covered in fine dust and chemicals). But a right blade saw, used with a long straight edge, will have a much higher blade RPM (5,500 to 6,000 rpm) and will produce a better cut, with no sawdust getting in your face. A Worm Drive saw has no dust ejection port, and they create a huge cloud of sawdust that goes straight back into your face.
Some rear handles will shoot dust at your stomach, never seen one shoot at your face. Some of them shoot the dust to the right like the makita
I have that Kobalt saw and it is definitely a chungus. I haven't done anything very demanding with it, just breaking down plywood and rough cutting 2x# lumber. The only issue I've encountered is the powder coating on the foot was "sticky" and made cutting plywood a bit annoying because it would feel like there was something stopping you from pushing forward. After I buffed on some paste wax it was as smooth as butter though.
“Chungus “ eh? Why you have to get all technical jargon on here
Milwaukees are like that. They stick to the board
Rigid is aeg in Australia! I've finally worked it out.
Hope you guys test the Flex inline & 7 1/4 rear handle model too.
Surprised you didn't include an actual Skilsaw, which is largely a genericization for 'circular saw' in many areas, that is how synonymous it is with circular saws. Heck, Skilsaw was the first circular saw. That being said, fantastic video as always, and I cannot wait for future circular saw comparisons!
Need blade right
Here is the new Skil right blade cordless. Looks like a really nice saw, but some reports of battery failures. SKIL PWR CORE 20 XP Brushless 20V 7-1/4 In. Circular Saw, Tool Only- CR5440B-00@@TorqueTestChannel
For future saw reviews, I would like to see the Skilsaw Mag 77, both corded and cordless, be included.
The Hilti saw fit and finish is really nice, the included rip fence is super nice. Highly recommend the Nuron gear, its what you expect from Hilti.
I just wish their impact drivers and wrenches had a little more power.
I just wish for the loot you drop they would be that much better. Pay twice as much to get maybe a tenth more. They do have a good warranty though. Hilti the other big red, for big companies with even bigger budgets.
I'm waiting for then to test the drill
Their warranty and customer service is way above average. I have the 4hd hammer drill/driver, they make a 6hd but the 4hd is plenty of beans I've used it to mix a 5gallon of paint and with the excellent clutch also drive .5" brass screws. Been running cordless drill/drivers since the early 80's (black and decker nicad? Makita 9.6v with a Jacob's chuck?) and am recommending the Nuron line.
how about a quick video comparing the much cheaper refurbs to brand new tool. I have a lot of luck with refurb stuff but I wonder if Im missing out on power.
Between this channel and project farm there really isnt any guessing when it comes to tools.
Love this video! I wonder if Makita's new high power 4ah battery will greatly improve the XGT torque test numbers when it's finally available?
It does! I saw a video from Japan where a guy put the BL4040F on the very first xgt saw (HS001) and it increased the power by 10-20%.
It does! I saw a video from Japan where a guy put the BL4040F on the very first xgt saw (HS001) and it increased the power by 10-20%.
Any list with wood working tools needs Festool. So the Festool HKC 55 with the 8ah highpower battery would look nice on this one, you just have to wait a few months before that battery becomes available.
I think i remember a Project Farm video that demonstrated the Dewalt 60v is the saw to beat.
No Flex 💪 I heard the Flex rear handle with the 10ah is a beast
It is a beast
I have the dewalt 7 1/2in blade 60 v flexvolt and its great. I have cut alot of 2×12 roof rafters, stair stringers and it cuts 4×4s 1 pass. I really like it. However i also dewalt 20v xr and i killed it within 2 monthes.
I'd love to see direct battery comparisons. There are adapters to interchange batteries cross-brand. It would be interesting to see which brand makes the best battery and what it would do for some of the more powerful tools (custom battery included, of course)
"Direct comparison" assumes a battery adapter has no losses which is a big assumption I think. Will look into that
@@TorqueTestChannelThose battery adapters are garbage.
Can't use most newer batteries and/or tools with adapters because of the missing communication
that would be pointless since they all use basically the same cells, excluding some lipo packs and ofc upcoming packs with tabless 21700's
@@TorqueTestChanneloff the top of my head, there's the 3D printer guy you collaborated with to make " the Beans" Makita battery. Couldn't you adapt all 18v battery to the same custom ridiculously overbuilt connector. So all batteries end up run through an adapter made by the same guy. It's not the exact same adapter granted, but the advantage being you get an idea of how each battery cells and connector style impacts performance? Or if you got the coin, you could cut off the base of multiple broken tools, solder that to your own custom connector and test max wattage? Idk if it's even worth it, but it would be interesting
thanks for including hilti!
Would love to see test like this but with plunge saws instead. I would also love to see more bosch stuff particularly with the pro core batteries to see how good they are
Also please test the Skil duall battery rear handle(comes with two 5AH batteries), a great powerful saw priced for the DIY market!
Would love to see the makita 4131 (or similar) tested my experience with cold cut/metal cut saws make them feel more powerful. Could just be the blades.
As always I wanna see craftsmen with a 9 ah battery to see if it worth buying and does it make every tool as good as others who do kinda what you do but your best at showing it in my opinion
I think you'll notice a big power difference using either the 5ah or the 8ah XGT batteries.
Can we get a tool color melting point and crack point test. I wanna know which color tool is the best!
Hay torque test channel there is a new harber freight impact wrench, model EQ12EXT.
M18 FUEL™ 7-1/4" Circular Saw 2732
Made many decks, sided and roofed a few houses, framed a couple of apartment buildings, 6ish years old and still going strong as hell!
I would like to see 5AH and 8AH batteries of Makita XGT on this Saw because "Tools & Stuff" already showed, that these two batteries tend to give these demanding tools just a little bit more grunt. Great Stuff so far!
Could we get a comparison of Air vs battery rachets? I know the Astro 1128 rachet claims 700 RPM I would love to see it compared to the milwaukee M12 high speed
I have the Ryobi and I abuse my tools, that thing has so far held up much better than I would have expecting for the low price on DTO.
It would be nice to see how any of these saws would be in a series of drop tests. I've saved my corned sidewinders from a 20+ ft drop many times.
hey does anyone know if he dyno'd DeWalt string trimmers they got like 4 models out now and if the 20v will cut it for a small yard I'd rather have double the batteries to use
any chance of getting a Bosch circular saw (like a CS10) in the testing?
Thanks man. I think I will stick with my Bosch 6.5” and 6 ah battery for a total of $132. Gotta love Lowe’s clearance sales!
I score a lot of lowes clearance!!! $139 for an XTR 5 piece kit (which also includes the saw in this test) $79 for DeWalt DA auto polisher, $77 for EGO misting fan, $29 Kobalt impact wrenches (I ended up buying 4, a couple in 1/2” and couple in 3/8” and keep one in each car for a quick flat tire change, which I’ve had 3 in the past month with different family members). The lowes clearance deals are insane!!
Testing the backward blade saws first interesting strategy. "Blade left for life!"😂😂
To each their own!
I agree about paying so much for a saw. They do have there place but at most construction sites that isn’t it. I’ll buy a $100 corded saw with drop cords all day long before I blow $400 on a cordless. Batteries are expensive , downtime for them to charge , advanced electronics to fail vs a corded saw where the cable may get cut or a broken trigger switch, both of which can be repaired at the jobsite.
Do you have a Mafell for part 2? A very nice saw.
nice! looking forward to seeing how that DCS578 does
That saw is powerful, I am ashamed to say it scares me 😂 but, I want to see some scientific tests show how scary it actually is.
@@JT-lq4yd i have it too; you're not alone - it's a beast. I want to see that scariness quantified, though - I'm going to guess it's about 13 MegaJasons, if i'm doing the SI scariness unit conversion correctly 😂
@@skygreen5939 We will see how close you are, and I hope to see the video soon.
Looking forward to the Flex test
I know they are expensive but it would have been nice to see a festool in this lineup. Surely someone can lend you one....
Can you compare the old octane ridgid against the new stuff from ridgid with new and old gen batteries
Seems like I got a sweet deal for my Power Detect kit at $249 a few months ago.
Can we also see the 40v with a 8ah battery to see the power difference to the 4ah
I have the Makita HS001 (Japan only 40V) it’s a 6.5” saw and can cut up to 67mm deep. I would send it to you guys if y’all are planning to test 6.5 inchers!
This was incredibly helpful, especially how you created and explained your scoring system
Can you get one of the skill saw worm drives to compare
What do you do with these saws when done? I'm a carpenter and use a cordless saw every day.
Have you tried the Ridgid 8 Ah MAX Output EXP on any of the impacts to see what kind of gains they can get?!?
I wonder if you could test swazall, mainly battery ones?
Even as a Kobalt fan I knew this was coming. The XTR definitely has enough power for the average carpenter, but there is no doubt it isn’t the best.
would love to see the rear handle metabo in the future, probably not the strongest though.
I would reaaaaaally like to see a corded portable bandsaw comparison
That Hilti is damn impressive for just being a 22v saw
Can't wait for the next episode 💯👍