Here’s the list of products reviewed. More details in the video description. Thank you! Milwaukee: amzn.to/3v353V4 Bosch: amzn.to/35W8ioK Makita: amzn.to/3Jmnedw DeWalt: amzn.to/3jk865C WORX: amzn.to/3jq7jA1 Ryobi One+ HP: amzn.to/3KijydX Craftsman: amzn.to/3NYU5Za Ridgid: amzn.to/3vnL8QX Kobalt: Sold at Lowes FLEX: Sold at Lowes
The DeWalt link, i'm in Britain, takes me to a DeWalt leaf blower. Could just be different sales codes but usually they work. Thank you for another great video! DEWALT DCM562P1-GB 18 V 5 A Li-Ion XR Brushless Cordless Blower - Yellow - that's what it takes me to.
The way this channel figures out intuitive cheap consistent ways to test tools is so impressive I always have to watch whether I'm interested in the product or not. Imagine what this man could do with massive funding. He's smarter than most engineers 😂
He's impressive. Was just telling the manager at advanced auto why I was buying the Icon wipers. My friend wrote down Project Farm as he knows how much lying is going on with some products.
More RUclipsrs need to take a lesson from this guy. Deliver your information clearly and fast and without wasted babble. These are some of the most informative videos on RUclips. Well done as usual.
most of the time he has consistent tempo to you can watch at 125% if it's an extremely technical video or if it's a less technical video 150% speed but he always seems to maintain a good natural speed that lends well to faster playback.
Nah, I like the uniqueness 🍇 Just think about all of those junk restoration channels: Pretty much all of them are the no-dialogue silent kind. When everybody goes for the exact same format it actually gets really boring. I went out of my way to find people who actually did different(talking restorators instead of silent ones and practical reviewers instead of those guys who just drive lags in 2x4s) My god it's actually HARD to find unique channels.. It's all conformity all the way down.. xD I would believe it works the opposite way as well: eg. If everyone did it exactly like PF then it's still gonna get boring eventually ... eventually..!
@photog1529 no need to flex your 2-4 year piece of paper on here. Real knowledge comes from doing the work, not drinking cappuccinos with your baby soft hands. Keep trying to flex that piece of paper bro.
Literally the best channel on RUclips. This is exactly what consumers need to make unbiased, informative purchasing decisions. Thank you for what you do.
You sir, are my new gold standard for tool reviews and testing and comparison videos! I am very impressed with the ingenuity and how you design your testing rigs. I have bought and used Dewalt, Bosch, Milwaukee, Craftsman, and Makita tools for more than 25 years (more than 12 years professionally). Excellent work! Please keep the videos coming!
@@Tallnerdyguy Probably USA made. As an Englishman i lusted after some Craftsman tools for many years. When i was finally able to get some they where ALL Chinesium Rubbish :(
I've still got the all metal Craftsman belt sander my grandpa gave me 30+ years ago because the cord got ruined. It still works like new to this day...all be it with a different cord.
Check out his video on adjustable wrenches where he compares a brand new craftsman versus an old one, the old one is WAYY better quality. They are basically riding on the coattails of Craftsman's good reputation at this point just building "Meh" tools that work
Thank you so much for including the Flex line! I suggested Flex incorporation just 2 months ago and you've already included it! I am especially grateful that you did the cordless circular saw because I wanted to know how the DeWalt I have compares to the Flex that I want. You really make it easy for me to confidently buy tools with your unbiased and thorough testing. Thanks again so much.
Yeah he really does make you feel confident in the product you are buying. I'm starting my own contracting business and I need to buy a lot of tools. This channel seems to take a lot of guessing and hope out of the equation.
I know the dewalt requires a battery that is 6 amp hr be or better for full power(flex volt advantage it in the manual). I don’t know if the other manufactures have the same or similar technology. What if you did this test with each saw using with the optimum size battery?
Thanks for doing this video. I would say my #1 thing to consider in a saw is what brand I already have batteries for but beyond that not many of these test really matter to me besides the vibration in the hand test and my ultimate characteristic I look for is a good solid shoe for the saw. It needs to have 0 deflection and a good straight reference surface for use with a straight edge. Just one man's opinion. Again great video.
valid, point which is a good and bad thing now days, since it does limit, and if you already have alot of tools from 1 brand you rly dont want to buy from another, but as some1 that hasnt invested in tools yet these are very useful. as i can see how each brand preforms etc. and so far Milwaukee seems to Be the more consistant preformer in the top 3 or atleast top 5
@@ProjectFarm toddyyyyy.. british drink.. anyhoo,as before, makita is the best. made in japan,overseen in china.. not influenced by 3rd parties..as dewalt,milwalki bosch ect are.. did you look for the devils symbol,?. circle with tci in it. do not buy those tools. mark of the devil.. have you watched ave,s tool teardowns.. that,sums it up..great vids. im a 1 eyed makita owner. [ i do have a desperation buy bosch saw.]. i worked with vikings for a while in construction,cairns casino,au. there wrecking bars were something to sleep with.. if you stole it, or touched it,,you die.. how about wrecking bars.. sweedish,wins, ill bet..or german..
Very true, but as someone who owns mostly M18 tools, which I have a number of M18 batteries for; when I see a Ryobi soldering station, hot glue gun, or tire inflator that has a tool only option, I take it. I then get a "Badapter" battery adapter, so I can use my M18 batteries, with those couple of ryobi tools that I want. I find these videos an absolute must to watch, as I can adapt my M18 batteries to many different brands.
Agree! I also look at durability. Those plastic guards won't last long after a drop which is very common. I'm not too concerned about endurance because it doesn't take too long to swap batteries. I might want to take a look at cutting power: can I cut through thick hard wood?
These videos keep getting better and better. And they were great to start with. You've managed to pack a huge amount of analysis for a variety of different people into less than 20 minutes. Very impressive!
I was just telling my wife yesterday how perfectly craftsman has positioned themselves in the market after they were purchased from Sears. Literally every single time he tests them they are just edging into the "professional" brands performance but at only slightly more than the "value" brands in cost.
I have been slowly stocking up on craftsman power tools, perform great, basically are derated dewalt. Nothing but good things to say about them, catch them on sale and they are hard to beat
I don't know if they've fixed it, but a year or two ago they had a LOT of crib death's on their batteries. One time a customer had to go through 3 before getting one that worked, all brand new out of box (after the first one we tested them in store to make sure it was good before leaving.) Their overall quality seemed fine for homeowners, we had a craftsman impact we used in the yard and it held up just fine to some hard use. The battery issue was unacceptable for my store though, i HATE selling defective products almost as much as the customer does having to come back for a replacement.
I am not a professional contractor but a normal home owner. If I have a choice, all of my tools would be Craftsman. Their older cordless drill is unbeatable and easily mixed buckets after buckets of cement and mortar while other brands (ryobi, rigid, etc...) had to be returned. Was so happy when I found upgraded batteries from nicad to lithium for my old cordless Craftsman. Even the new Craftsman are not built the same as the old Craftsman.
Outstanding as always! You're saving countless people time and money when purchasing power tools like these. You make deciding a much easier task. Thank you!
Already have the DeWalt Flexvolt Advantage saw and the worm drive style flexvolt saw. Love them. So glad you tossed in the flexvolt battery so we could see the potential gains from it. Thanks for all your time and effort! It's nice seeing comparisons🤘👏
Amazing testing as always! So detailed and very informative since I’m in the market for one now. The only test I wish could have been included was a battery longevity test to see how long each saw lasts when in use. But amazing job as always.
Also, after 2-1/2 years of everyday use my saw did stop working but Milwaukee replaced it under warranty with no questions asked. I'm a framer so it gets used hard.
Even though I may never buy a cordless saw, I still like watching these test. I do have to give a round of applause on how you come up with test in general on what ever it is you are doing, it shows you try to think out every single way to safely test everything and give as much information as you can, it seriously makes a huge difference when thinking on what to go with.
Thank you for the vibration measurements! For me, this is one of the most important considerations for a cordless tool and it is almost never included in reviews.
Thanks again for including kobalt. I think for the price for tools and batteries they are a HELL of a brand. Never had an issue and this year they’re buckling down on new products!
Taking into account comfort and cost, I would still choose the Makita. The low vibration, would pay off in the end I think. However, I am not sure what it would weigh with the batteries inserted. It would have been nice to know battery life in this test. Thanks for posting this.
I have that Makita and it's weight isn't an issue for this 54 year old man. Most my tools are red but there's something about the makita saws that just reak of quality. I got into the red tools simply for their power and durability. I'm a bit of a clutz at times.
I have used millwuki, dewalt and Makita. There is something about makita that I feel very comfortable. .not only it is light weight and low vibration, it is a well weight balanced saw.
@@thegoodfight365 I agree, all my cordless tools were Milwaukee and I was looking to get their circular but I found a deal that was too good to pass on this makita and I had to get it. So far I’m very impressed it’s very smooth and seems well built.
I’ve got the Makita. It replaced a 30-year old corded Craftsman, and it’s such a joy to use. Also about half as loud as my old corded saw. I got the kit on special with four 5-amp batteries for $249.
Smoothness (vibration) is paramount for quality and longevity. Makita was by far the best in that test (I may be a little biased). Can't get enough of this channel. Thanks again for another awesome video. Keep it up
I did buy the Milwaukee 2732 (same in this test) and it is extremely smooth, you cannot actually feel any vibration that transfers into your bare hands. You can hear the motor, but you can't feel anything--this is with the stock Milwaukee blade on it. Milwaukee's brushless drills and especially their impact drivers, are extremely rough and coarse with a lot of noticeable vibration which is really annoying.
I've recently updated all my tools and bought an all flex line up and I can tell you they are amazing. I've been in the trades for 15 years and seen all brands at work and now I have some of the best tools at work. Flex also just came out with new battery platform that will blow away other batteries.
I appreciate the consistency you strive for in your testing, and also seeing the difference that a battery can make in the same situation. Great job thanks.
Been waiting on this one! I'm invested in Ryobi and wanted to see how it matched up. I don't want to have multiple batteries/chargers so staying with Ryobi has been the ticket for me. Over 15+ years they have NOT changed the form factor, ensuring that my tools still work even when new battery technology is made available. I'm still using a 15 y/o recip & impact. But, I'm no "pro", just a home/DIY user, and used them for several house flips and for a house rental business. Middle of the pack is where they usually land, and thats ok for my needs. Thanks!
Same here. I've been using Ryobi tools, both corded and not, for nearly 20 years. I do feel like their quality has fallen off a bit, however. Most of mine are still blue.
@@Trebuchet48 Use an HP battery with it and it will perform significantly better, he did not use an HP battery which did not give the ryobi a fair shake. Still not enough to knock off milwaukee, makita, flex but would probably jump up.
Keep in mind that the HP tools do perform better with the HP batteries. I’ve yet to see PF test any tool with them. I regularly use mine to cut down commercial doors. That includes wood, aluminum and steel. It’s yet to let me down.
Another really well done test. I love the attention to detail, like ease of viewing blade depth gauge, and measuring handle vibration. Other items to evaluate: 1) Flexing of base when applying weight to the handle, that results in a change of blade angle. 2) Also a quick mention of blade depth adjustment type. Most pivot at the front, but some use a slide mechanism that keep the saw parallel to the surface, regardless of blade depth, which is much nicer when reaching across long boards. Suggestion for a future test: I would love to see a test of inspection cameras.
As a man that absolutely loves that double battery makita skill saw, I feel a test that doesn't get tested often (due to the fact that feasibly, it can't) is the longevity test, and also a durability test. Makita may not have the flashiest skill saw, or best value out of the box, but they can be darned hard to beat. All of our Makita skill saws have been exceptionally durable, pack plenty of power and have given years of service. Whether it be this double battery, a rear handle saw, or single battery (6&1/2"). DeWalt certainly does have it's own fans, but in our experience, longevity is quite lackluster. The only cause of death of one of our double battery Makita skill saws, was being left haphazardly next to an open can of Great Stuff in a trailer that was going down the road. The Great Stuff filled the motor with foam and it died then and there. It was quite sad. But, great video!
Lol poor makita suffocating in the trailer. I must say I totally agree with your experiences with makita. My experiences are similar minus the great stuff. Makita loyalist myself
makita batts, might not last as long, but they have longevity. &,,are made by makita, not some 3rd hand. like the rest. even chinese, are overseen my makita. its japanese, they make the best tools. unless you pay for fein,ect.. look up ave, tool reviews.. he pulls them down to nothing. tells you the sht they do..or,,dont..
Dear old Dad bought a Makita corded drill when I was a kid, some time in the late 80's. He's still got it, still uses it for big drilling jobs, I think the only thing that's ever worn out on it is the power cord. It's a bit different than a modern drill though, it's heavy, sounds like a jet engine spinning down when you let go of the trigger, and only spins 550 rpm. But it has all the power you could want from a hand-held drill.
Great testing! Good to see the Kobalt 24V tools in the testing. I got my elderly mom the 24v 120mph 500cfm leaf blower as its the lightest weight with the most output. It lasts longer and is much better than my Ryobi 18v blower.
Using an HP or a High Performance Ryobi battery will definitely help it in the rankings. Since they're stuck with the battery format, that limits the current the tool can pull from a single contact, so the HP batteries have an additional pair of contacts to pull more juice out of the battery.
At least he's using the newer models now, I like that he's listening to feedback. But I don't think it would make too much a difference, maybe bump them up a position or two. And this is coming from a guy whose barn is covered in lime green tools
The extra contacts in the HP batts are not for current, they are some type of communication with the tool. Basically without the communication the tool will limit itself to a much lower output than it could have. Check out the torque test channel for verification on this, the difference is large, around 30% increase IIRC when using the HP batts vs say a 3AH standard batt. All my cordless tools are Ryobi and I'm not changing brands because the circular saws stink. I have a Skillsaw for real work. :) He said he was using 4ah batts for everything but it looked like a standard not HP. It would make a large difference in torque and therefore cutting speed, also trigger response. The rest would likely be similar.
Good recommendation on the Craftsman. Nice to see that affordability is considered, as long as performance isn't far off. If I used one for a living, I'd buy one of the better performers, but infrequent use would put me in the Craftsman category.
Kobalt makes extremely good tools. I have one of their air compressors and I've used it for hundreds of hours and it's never had a single leak. It holds air for months at a time, it has absolutely no loss of air after several months, which is just insane. Some air tools and tanks, when you buy them from Harbor Freight, they lose air because they don't even use real teflon on the joints. I also have a Kobalt sliding miter saw, and I've made thousands of cuts with it, and it will probably last forever.
That Craftsman looks like a winner for the occasional weekend project that otherwise will spend most of its time on a shelf in the garage. Many thanks again for incredibly useful and frugal videos!
@Tom Smith Not if you're going to be using your tools every day, if you're just going to use them for some jobs around the house or small projects here and there they offer great value
Yes, craftsmen was dying out but they revised/modernized all their tools and have done a good job with lots of options at a good price. I am a pro and bought hundreds of power tools some very expensive some much cheaper. Sometimes the cheaper brands do out preform the more expensive "top" tools. Name is important but its not everything. I have meet alot of guys with expensive fancy tools that had no idea what they are doing. At the end of the day does the tool get the job done and does it last. No matter what you are doing (kitchen Remodel, building a deck or a fence) people will notice the job not what tools were used.
If anyone is interested, Lowe's currently has a sale going on where you buy a charger and TWO 4 amp batteries for $149, you get a free tool, and the Craftsman circular saw is one of them. It's going on until the 3rd week of April 2023. This saw alone is now $130, so basically for $20 more you get TWO 4 amp batteries and a charger. That is a great deal!
I work in a factory that uses strictly Milwaukee, I have all Craftsman brand tools, drill, driver, jig saw, circular saw, leaf blower, weed eater. What I tell people is "for a homeowner or hobby shop work it works great. but if you need the tools to make money spend the extra money for nicer stuff"
I was SO excited to see you include a Kobalt XTR 24v tool. Then I was immediately disappointed (especially for experimental purposes) that you didn't use the 'new' XTR 4ah battery that was intended for the tool. 18650 cells vs the new 21700 cells with much more advanced cell balancing. Absolutely incredible batteries, can't wait to get my hands on the new 12ah version!
I feel like this was a worst case senario test for kobalt. The more expensive XTR tools are advertised as compatible with non xtr batteries so you don't have to swap batterys only. If Project Farm didn't have an XTR battery, he shouldn't have bought the XTR tool. The Kobalt circular saw non XTR can be bought for $100 sometimes, making it comparable to the Ryobi in terms of pricing.
Todd, thanks for the effort that you put into your videos, as well as the testing methods that you use. I know of no one else in your league. I hope the saw manufacturers take notice. Who knows what could be accomplished if they did.
Your test setups are amazing! As an engineer I really can appreciate how much thought and work you put into your testing. Thank you so much for your channel!
Keep up the awesome work and we will keep watching. We love your unbiased reviews and your recommendations at the conclusion. As always, thanks for your tight editing. As a former teacher, I appreciate no 'uhs', 'and so uh', and all the other verbalized pauses. Waiting for next week's video already.
Your tests are awesome! On cordless tools, I see though that once we have bought in to a battery system, we tend to stay with that brand. For example, once I had about three DeWalt 20v tools with six batteries and three chargers (now up to 14 tools, 22 batteries and a bunch of chargers), I tend not to even look at the red, blue, or orange stuff. Not sure how you'd do it, but would be interesting to see how each set of tools performed overall against another set of tools. Maybe pick five or six common tools and see which set, overall, comes out on top. I could have really used that before I was so far into yellow that it would be really, really hard to change (some of the red stuff looks pretty good). Thanks again for all you do.
Would definitely like to see the PF take on a core cordless tool system, 4-8 of the same tools. He should have enough data by now. Part of the issue is he'll get a ton of hate and they all have trade-offs depending on your exact needs and preferences. Id say, drill/hammerdrill, impact, fullsized sawzall, 6.5 or 7.25 circ saw, OMT. Maybe tools: grinder, one handed sawzall, jigsaw, ????, Lighting, nail guns, inflator,?
Same here with being a member of the DeWalt Nation. I do have some older or specialized tools of other brands that I am trying to wear out in brute force hard labor but I purchase or make a battery adapter so I don't have to chase a different infrastructure if there is ever an issue of battery failure. That being said in other applications, the Ingersol Rand, Worx, and Milwaukee batteries nor their chargers have not failed yet.. They are not used frequently (how often do I need 1100 ft./lbs of torque for example) but I would rather not buy mainstream tools that do not use my standard DeWalt batteries, given all their offerings.
Depends what you're prioritizing. (fine woodworking in a dedicated shop or transporting in a truck for remodling, etc.) Overall milwaukee's lineup (esp drills, drivers, osc. tools and even their new cordless nailers and m18 jigsaw) is probably best performing but you do pay a little more. Ryobi has the "most" tools in their system including stuff like a hot glue gun. Dewalt is super durable and the easiest to find in stores. I have a LOT of milwaukee and ryobi and have used a lot of Dewalt on jobsites. For the average homeowner I usually recommend ryobi.
Thanks for the great video, as a milwaukee person I almost hate to admit I just bought the dewalt 565b bc it was on sale for 90.00 and I already had a 5.0 battery. It works pretty good, no complaints other than it's not a milwaukee.
Good job man! Don't settle. I see alot of people on here talking about "because I already have the battery". Always go with the best. This channel is putting alot of companies in checkmate and I absolutely love it.
Once again you have done an amazing job! Thank you Todd for helping all of us make an informed decision on which tools to purchase. You never cease to amaze! Please keep up the great work!
I bought the flex saw and the drill/impact combo set when they first released and I can honestly say that the whole flex lineup has been FANTASTIC. My one and ONLY complaint about the flex tools is that the batteries seem to die fairly fast when used all day. With that said, they only take about 18-28 minutes to go from dead to fully charged.
The batteries do die quickly because its always running as if you're trying to cut over a ft/sec(power consumption-wise) An extreme increase in battery life would be seen if they used a field oriented controller to only slightly over power whatever your cutting at any given moment. My rc crawler has this system, it maintains my set rpm on any incline, increasing or decreasing power automatically, i went from 1-3/4hr run time to 4hrs on the same battery by installing that system
This was a good test of these saws. I recently bought a DeWalt saw and mainly I did because I've already invested in the batteries and chargers and I've had good luck with their tools so far.
It seems Dewalt is doing a better job of not sourcing china for 100% of their products too. Pretty sure he mentioned Mexico for this DeWalt saw. Just about all others are china made.
The only problem with DeWalt is they purposefully only made a 7 1/4" in flexvolt and it was insanely expensive. I think they make one that isn't flexvolt now but it's still way more money then other brands. You pretty much have to buy just the saw as I don't think any combos come with the 7 1/4"
Dewalt may not spec out ahead in all the torque and power tests, but they make good stuff that last pros years. A lot goes onto good tools beyond power specs and dewalt is one of the best overall. Dewalt and Milwaukee and makita all have tools in the lineup that blow each other’s out of the water.
That dual battery Makita might not have shined on this test but I love that thing. I've had mine for over two years and it can cut framing up for half a day before needing a charge. I recharge at lunch (charger plays different classical songs when fully charged) and keeps cutting for the remainder of the day.
Got one of those also. Great for small logs and trimming. Just toss it in the cart and go. No fussing with gas+oil mixtures and yanking. I know that the arborist community likes them for their "tree monkeys".
Not only that, but I would bet the Makita would win in a real life test through various work days. Its so Mich better ergonomically, smoother, and cuts smoother than the others.
Not criticizing the channel to say this but I was somewhat surprised run time was not one of the tests, possibly excluded because the makita is dual battery?
Milwaukee circular saw is the same way. Goes "ka-kunk" and stops easy, on small or old batteries. I actually just about scrapped my sawzall until I put a new 5ah battery in it, that was 1.5 yrs ago.
Yeah I've pretty much got rid of all my 2a batteries for that reason. Smallest I run is the 3a cpo Milwaukee batteries... My ridgid stuff I get the old 4ah batteries because they're cheap.
Glad to see you including flex in your lineups now 👍I'm an early adopter of the top end drill and impact and can attest to their quality. Flex is up there with the best.
First time seeing your videos. I can't believe I never came across your channel before now. And I only had to watch one video tobe a subscriber. This one. I was more impressed with the channel than the review you was doing. Of course I will have to watch it again and pay attention more because you are full of information. Great job. Don't change a thing you do. I think you got it. With 3 million watching and this video with over 1.6 million hits. From every man out there👊
I have been watching this channel for a couple years now, always excellent information and I love the creative ways of testing different products, and no sponsorships to taint the results. Keep up the great work.
As an M18 aficionado, I am always cheering for Milwaukee in these tests. The common denominator is the Diablo blade. If you have not used Diablo, you will not be disappointed is cut quality and speed.
Thankyou for the comparison and for using well thought out testing methods. Something to point out though, for Bosch : Bosch was the only brand in the test that was using a battery utilizing a single row of cells instead of double row. I understand they are high-drain 21700 cells rated at 4AH, however, the number of cells sharing the load is also a big factor as you saw in the test when 12ah packs were used ( although; those packs use high-drain 21700 cells compared to other brands 2 row packs that are probably using 18650's ). Bosch saw probably asks you to use " Profactor-Batteries " since it can draw more amps from the better cells, and that limits you to choosing between : a single row 4ah pack, a two row 6.3ah, a two row 8ah, or a three row 12ah pack that might not be available yet.
Actually the Bosch has more power than the Makita with only one battery but for the full power Bosch says that you need a 5,5ah procore battery or bigger.The Makita should be removed from the comparison or each brand uses the biggest battery which shows the best performance of each tool.
Fantastic testing and procedure as usual! I have a Skil saw that is about 40yrs old with sealed ball bearing. I've never done anything with it but replaced the cord. It replaced an older, metal bodied Skil saw. All these newer features are nice, but come at a price point as far as build quality. My saw even fell out of the back of my truck in a residential neighborhood...went back, snagged it, straightened the bottom plate and it's still going today....nothing broken and no duct/electric tape holding anything together...lol.
I’ve been impressed with a lot of Craftsman tools the past couple of years. For the price that saw and their small mitre are great deals for home or back up use. I am surprised how poorly the Dewalt did. I've loved mine.
Seeing all his reviews, Milwaukee is definitely always close to the best or the best overall. And considering Milwaukee has the most tool options out there, I’d go for Milwaukee because I could interchange batteries and chargers between tools.
Several other brands do the same nowadays, to prevent people from buying different brands. EU will probably at some point force all big brands to use same batteries, to get less battery waste.
Normally I'd have been too cheap to go Milwaukee Fuel for all my tools, but Home Depot has had crazy 75% off deals lately due to the new Gen 4 stuff coming out, so now I'm all in on Milwaukee for like Ryobi prices haha
That’s exactly what I’ve been telling people. The makita just has a nice, refined, finesse feel to the saw. Love using makita saw. I personally think they are the best in terms of longevity, durability, lineup, and performance.
I've learned over the years that often what is more expensive now, ends up being cheaper in the long run. I myself prefer quality tools Makita, Bosh or DeWalt. I'm not a tradie, but I do many projects at home and for me those three brands are very intuitive, a pleasure to use and I think ultimately improve my work.
ryobi has a couple winners that are dirt cheap for the performance returns, especially at diy level. ill recommend and swear by their 18g brad nailer and the 7-1/4 miter saw. each can be had at or under $100(direct tools) and add tons of portability, versatility and convenience. the miter saw isnt fine woodworking exact but its been good to me and easy to move around/setup.
@@fixerupperer Thanks man! You are right... today this theory is less true. There is much bigger competition, more advanced and widely accessible technology, often copied by China at much reduced production costs. About 8years ago I bought Ryobi industrial vacume cleaner which I use a lot and is still going strong, but I'm trying to stick with brands I already have, as I don't want to buy yet another type of battery or keep even more bulky chargers around.
@@fixerupperer I have all Dewalt Flexvolt and Milwaukee 18v Red Lithium, and the 16" and 18" Ryobi brad nailer's. Those brad Ryobi brad nailers run circles around every other brand out there! Just wish all batteries were interchangeable.
Thank you for all your work! I purchased the Dewalt 20v set and added a few extra toys... the lol the 12 inch chain saw... (for the extra battery) !!! I used the circular saw for the first time... I was impressed on how well it worked on a 3/4'" green treated 4x8. Battery tools have gotten alot better over the years. Appreciate all your thoughts and effort!
Excellent comparison...I was amazed and never considered that higher amp-hour batteries give the saws more power to make cuts that the saws fell short with lower amp-hour batteries; great test configuration and useful conclusions...thanks for the good work as always.
No one uses a 4 amp battery with a Milwaukee Fuel circ saw, unless they’re desperate. I would use a 3 amp High Output battery before a 4 amp battery. Typically the smallest amperage I would consider using during a project is a 5 amp battery. However, I would usually use a 6 amp High Output battery. If the Milwaukee “High Output” batteries were used during the test, you would see better results.
Amazing content. Huge service for the general consumer. Have a quick request. Metal circular saws have come a long way from the earlier days, and a lot of them, even the non-corded versions, can even cut 1/2-inch steel with ease. Almost all of them are worm drive versions so hard to decide which one is better. If possible, a comparative test could be hugely helpful. Your channel is a real gem for all of us.
I was very happy to see you use the high output/voltage options on the Bosch, Dewalt and Milwaukee saws on the cut test as they are all designed to make use of the extra power when available. Another great, well thought out comparison video. 👍
I noticed the Bosch saw was the only item with a round discharge that might rotate and likely fits a vacuum hose. Some of the other saws appeared to have the capability of a vacuum connection. That feature wasn't noted in the test.
the Bosch wasn't tested with a bigger battery which makes a big difference . Also the 36v Makita is not fair because it uses two batteries Bosch says for full power 5,5ah procore or bigger
The new Ryobi batteries do make a dramatic difference. I was happy with the tools before but now with the new higher output batteries it is exceptional.
I definitely factor in battery size when working on various projects. I've noticed quite a difference between tool performance depending on whether I grab my 12amp/hr or 2amp/hr battery for my Milwaukee tools.
For any high drain tools like superhawg I never use anything smaller than xc5ah. Funnily enough the $4k press tools perform just as well with 1.5 and 3ah
The amp hour doesn’t matter, it’s the volts that matter. Amp hour is just how much capacity the battery has but has nothing to do with how much power the battery can output, that all comes down to voltage
@@mikeiscoo2 Capacity does actually affect the power of the tool. All batteries have a maximum current draw which is usually set as a percentage of their capacity (say 10C or 10 x capacity as an example). So a 5AH battery could supply 50 amps, whereas an 8AH battery could provide 80 amps, or whatever the manufacturer decides. Obviously the tool will only ever draw a certain maximum so putting a larger battery in won't always make a difference.
Depends how much draw the tool has. I saw another test where Todd used different amp/hr Milwaukee batteries & the tool's performance was worse with the larger batteries than with the 2 amp/hr battery. That wasn't the case for the other brands, just Milwaukee. I wish I could recall what lower draw tool it was that this occurred.
I love all of the engineering and thought you put in to all of your tests. A+ It's a shame that you are unable to include Longevity for these tests. I have 6, 18 V batteries that are all more that 10 years old and have never replace any of them. I still believe that time tells the story. Also I have been in construction and wood crafting for 50 years. Therefore I know that there is a variance between the wood grains even in the same board. You have proven that buy cutting 3 different blocks and coming up with 3 different time readings. None of these tools are designed for brute force too much force will instantly stop any of these tools. Experience Example, I can't tell you how many times I've had to stop a young man when using a drill and teach them a simple trick of saving bits and motors by pulling the drill bit in and out of the hole you are drilling ( especially masonry )to clear the fluke on the bit and keep the bit from seizing up and binding the motor.
Project Farm, I love your channel and what you do. I am a small business owner that does remodeling work, and I am invested in the Milwaukee brand. My brother/partner loves the DeWalt brand. It is good fun to rag on each other about tools, and your channel helps us decide our debates sometimes. We have a carpenter whom uses the Makita brand, so this helps us to keep our tools separated for the most part. I truly think that your videos are just something wonderful, and I eventually would love to give insight from the field to engineer the best tools that could ever be made. I truly hope that the engineers designing these tools watch some of your methods, and take the information into account. One major thing I would love to see overcome is the saw guard be able to not catch when ripping 1/2” or 3/4” plywood. I often like to use one hand to rip plywood when they are small cuts, and it makes it difficult when the guard gets caught making necessary the use of both hands on the saw, which ends up requiring either a clamp, or some kind of weight. Thanks again Project Farm. We love what you do sir! Many Blessings!
One thing to keep in mind with ryobi hp tools is they will work with other older batteries but will perform really bad. You need to make sure you use one of the hp batteries with the extra 2 contacts on the back to see their true performance. Regardless great video as always!
Yes. Testing the premium brands with really big batteries and leaving out the Ryboi HP batteries skewed the results. Still a very good test, but Ryobi is so popular, it would be nice to see the brand represented with its best foot forward.
Very informative. Curious as to why you choose to compare brushed against brushless models like the ridgid? Ridgid has had a brushless model for years. It would be different if all they had was brushless.
As a guy that has owned several of these saws and settled on the Craftsman brushless saw I must say I’m pretty impressed with it and your testing proves it’s quality. Also having owned the Ryobi saw for a hot minute I will say Ryobi really crapped the bed with their “pro model” circular saw. Everything about it felt cheap and the performance was on par with your testing.
Hello mate ,yes I had the first brushless Ryobi 7 1/4" saw a few years ago and was VERY disappointed and when this gen 2 was introduced I can see they still haven't learnt anything!!!! I have seen the performance other manufacturers have achieved on 18 volt so there is no excuse for Ryobi.
@Praise Jesus, Repent or Likewise Perish You're on the wrong channel buddy ,go over to Kenneth Copeland or some other religious channel . Allah Akbar 😎
I was actually more impressed with the first gen Brushless circ saw regarding power. That cheap stamped shoe that you can’t get flat is a real downer however. I like you assumed they’d build on that first gen and the newer one would fix the issues the first brushless saw had. Boy was I disappointed.
It's always nice to see a Ridgid tool included in these consistently excellent tests. However, I feel compelled to say something about the R8652. Not only does it have the inherent disadvantage of being brushed, it's also quite old. Best I can determine, it was introduced no later than 2015. Seven years is pretty long-in-the-tooth in the cordless tool world. Ridgid has released no fewer than four 18V brushless circular saws since then, including the Gen5x Brushless R8653, the Octane R8654, and their two current brushless models, the R8657 and Subcompact R8356 (both 6.5" bladed). Putting the R8652 up against a bevy of more-modern, brushless models doesn't feel like an even remotely fair fight. But that's just my $0.02 USD.
Thx for pointing this out. I don't think you can order Ridgid off of Amazon and get the lifetime warranty(has to be Home Depot), so I wonder if the link is a reseller?
One of the biggest factors in tool choice for me was the number/quantity and or variety of tools that use the same battery. And of course cost and ease of purchase & warranty. I invested heavily in Ryobi years ago for these reasons. A comparison of product lines with these criteria would be fantastic. It would be purely academic though with no actual purchase necessary. Just go to the store and list all the things in the tool line that accept the battery design and the cost of the most common tools & batteries. Thanks for the great content!
I got Ryobi tools as well, but as you go into more projects I was eventually forced to get Milwaukee because they have by far the best electric nailers, especially handy finish nailer, since it's light enough. They also tend to make better tools, they make best bits for impact driver and there's a variety of their tools available at home depot and such. And having 2 sets of batteries isn't a problem - it's beneficial for some projects to constantly charge 2 or 3 batteries at the same time as operating 2 batteries (vacuum+sander for example). There's a bit difference to what you could do with 3 batteries vs 4 6Ah batteries.
@@artemaung5274 I understand what you're saying, but 1/4 inch impact driver bits are universal... you don't need a Milwaukee impact driver to use Milwaukee bits, I use them with my Makita impact driver
@@tcg1_qc Same, I use them with my ryobi impact. But the thing is that now I have two sets of batteries and I have the freedom to choose either Ryobi or Milwaukee for any new battery tool since you need like 4 batteries anyways for bigger projects.
Another great video, thanks! Wonder why you chose the brushed Ridgid and not the R8653 Brushless model when all the other contenders had brushless motors? I have both the Brushless Ridgid and Milwaukee Fuel and use them almost every day. Both great saws in my opinion.
Also the R8653 was on the market way back in January 2016. Even it is considerably outdated when compared to the other contemporary models. Weird choice.
I was leaning towards the Craftsman simply because of the $70 or $79 price at the time the video was made and it performed quite well. But I just checked the price and they're now $129. Quite a big increase in price. So, my research continues...
I agree. I've mentioned this in the past. While we all know Ryobi will never be a top contender, constantly testing HP devices with batteries not designed to provide the tool's full performance, provides a poor review comparison.
It's a shame the new Skil Pwrcore 20v saw wasn't included this test. Really curious to see how that performs. Those Ryobi HP Brushless tools really need the HP / Hi Performance batteries to bring out their potential. You should do a video comparison of Ryobi's many different batteries to test the power differences.
I agree completely, otherwise they left a ton of performance in the table, Ryobi tools are very powerful, but the older batteries really held them back
I’m female and a hobby DIYer, and my hubby wants to buy a cordless circular saw (to complement my growing tool kit collection😅) for my birthday and I stumbled upon your video. Wow, I was only thinking about rpm and weight, as had no idea about the rest! I just wanted it to be practical for a female (hence weight) and powerful so I don’t have to push the darn thing through wood. Your video has certainly armed me with all I need to go an speak to a supplier, with a confident, and hopefully, knowledgable manner. I’ve just subscribed!,
That was a very interesting testing matrix, thanks for all the work you did. However, the one thing I'm really interested in about a cordless circular saw is how many 8' cuts I can make in 3/8" plywood before changing the battery? Or, how many crosscuts in a 2 x 6" can be made with one battery? If I need a generator to charge the batteries I might as well use a corded saw.
As someone who frame's homes and mainly uses corded tools, having a cordless circular saw was a complete game changer for those times that having to deal with the weight of a corded saw plus the weight of the extension cord. when you are 16ft off the ground, not needing to deal with extra stuff in the way in an already awkward position is almost invaluable. Just disappointed the right handed saws aren't more common place. That is my only problem with cordless saws.
Just carry extra batteries. I have many cordless tools going back 25+ years. Since I got into Li-Ion in 2010, I've had great success with these batteries lasting years. My 18V Kobalts are still going strong at 12 years and one even got left in the attic for over two years before I found it.
The video is 18:17 long, it was released 11 minutes ago. Already ONE thumbs down. Who are these jackwagons??? Excellent video Todd - look forward to seeing it to the end.... AFTER I give it a thumbs up.
I've been desperately waiting for this test! I have a 60v Flex DeWalt and it has incredible power. But the 60/20v flex battery says 9Ahr, but that 9 is only when using it on the 20 volt tools like your saw here. On the 60 volt tools like mine, it's actually a 3Ah. But I can still do a full day with it. I'm also very interested in the Bosch Profacter.
I have a comparable Bosch saw (the one with guide rail compatibility) and it's great. For optimal performance, you do need a 5.5 Ah or more (meaning double or triple row) battery. 4Ah (single row) is fine for thin and soft wood. For thicker and harder woods, it will work (just slower and more prone to stalling), but it performs significantly better with the 5.5 Ah battery.
The Makita has a slow start feature to reduce fatigue and that is why it was slow in response it also was just behind flex for speed and since both are 36 volt that makes sense. The low vibration of makita is huge for the professional makita. Price per feature I think craftsman is pretty darn good but wonder how that value changes when you add batteries - flex was 300 with batteries and top performer and Makita was $224 for kit. Tough call
Feels like you're picking on Ridgid by comparing the brushed version. Looks like they haven't been keeping their brushless 7 1/4 in stock at store though, their focusing on their subcompact guy, which looks to be quite the performer. Glad to see kobalt being included. HF just needs some love now. Too many brands to test.
Surprising to see the Dewalt performed in the middle on almost every test. I have the Dewalt. I have to say, it feels very balanced in my hand and runs very smooth! I’m always impressed with your testing methods! Nice Work!! 👍👍
Smoothness is just as important as power for some uses. I bough a Bosch corded angle grinder, and the gear case makes a terrible grinding noise and it vibrates like hell. I was watching one of these test reviews by this channel and sure enough the Bosch had the worst vibration out of any of the angle grinders, with 3 times more vibration than a Metabo.
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Here’s the list of products reviewed. More details in the video description. Thank you!
Milwaukee: amzn.to/3v353V4
Bosch: amzn.to/35W8ioK
Makita: amzn.to/3Jmnedw
DeWalt: amzn.to/3jk865C
WORX: amzn.to/3jq7jA1
Ryobi One+ HP: amzn.to/3KijydX
Craftsman: amzn.to/3NYU5Za
Ridgid: amzn.to/3vnL8QX
Kobalt: Sold at Lowes
FLEX: Sold at Lowes
The DeWalt link, i'm in Britain, takes me to a DeWalt leaf blower. Could just be different sales codes but usually they work.
Thank you for another great video!
DEWALT DCM562P1-GB 18 V 5 A Li-Ion XR Brushless Cordless Blower - Yellow - that's what it takes me to.
Bonjour,
Très bon comparatif même si Makita est en 36V. C'est juste dommage qu'il n'y ait pas FESTOOL qui est le leader européen.
Séb, France.
The way this channel figures out intuitive cheap consistent ways to test tools is so impressive I always have to watch whether I'm interested in the product or not. Imagine what this man could do with massive funding. He's smarter than most engineers 😂
Great shop built test rigs, AND useful commercial test equipment! Never noticed the vibration meter before! (Now I want one!) 👍🏼😎✌🏼
It really is impressive. The boards never bound, once
He's impressive. Was just telling the manager at advanced auto why I was buying the Icon wipers. My friend wrote down Project Farm as he knows how much lying is going on with some products.
Thanks!
No doubt, he definitely does a great job!
More RUclipsrs need to take a lesson from this guy. Deliver your information clearly and fast and without wasted babble.
These are some of the most informative videos on RUclips. Well done as usual.
Thanks!
most of the time he has consistent tempo to you can watch at 125% if it's an extremely technical video or if it's a less technical video 150% speed but he always seems to maintain a good natural speed that lends well to faster playback.
RUclips algorithms/monetization prefer 10 minute videos. That's why alot of people stretch their videos with nonsense.
Nah, I like the uniqueness 🍇
Just think about all of those junk restoration channels: Pretty much all of them are the no-dialogue silent kind. When everybody goes for the exact same format it actually gets really boring.
I went out of my way to find people who actually did different(talking restorators instead of silent ones and practical reviewers instead of those guys who just drive lags in 2x4s) My god it's actually HARD to find unique channels.. It's all conformity all the way down.. xD
I would believe it works the opposite way as well: eg. If everyone did it exactly like PF then it's still gonna get boring eventually ... eventually..!
Got that right!
I'm a mechanical engineer by trade, and I just have to say your test methods are always top-notch as well as practical. Kudos.
Thanks so much!
Engineering at its finest: simple, practical, rigorous, and meaningful
Figured you'd be more interested in cappuccino machines than tools. My boss is a mechanical engineer and doesn't even know what a wrench is.
@@ah4800 Was that remark supposed to be an insult towards engineers? If so, it didn't work. But hey, keep punching that time clock.
@photog1529 no need to flex your 2-4 year piece of paper on here. Real knowledge comes from doing the work, not drinking cappuccinos with your baby soft hands. Keep trying to flex that piece of paper bro.
Literally the best channel on RUclips. This is exactly what consumers need to make unbiased, informative purchasing decisions. Thank you for what you do.
Thanks and you are welcome!
You sir, are my new gold standard for tool reviews and testing and comparison videos! I am very impressed with the ingenuity and how you design your testing rigs. I have bought and used Dewalt, Bosch, Milwaukee, Craftsman, and Makita tools for more than 25 years (more than 12 years professionally). Excellent work! Please keep the videos coming!
Thanks, will do!
As a man transitioning from corded tools to cordless, these tests are invaluable. Thanx and how about a farm update?
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
trans man lol
Yeah, show us a plane landing on the airstrip!
@@snakeyjaake Cousin Eddie is a drunkard - don't trust him with your money and buy no tools from him!
real men dont us cordless tools
I still have a Craftsman power saw that my dad bought when I was a kid, 55 years ago and it still works fine. A metal case too.
Not made like that anymore. Also corded are much much more reliable
@@Tallnerdyguy Probably USA made. As an Englishman i lusted after some Craftsman tools for many years. When i was finally able to get some they where ALL Chinesium Rubbish :(
I've still got the all metal Craftsman belt sander my grandpa gave me 30+ years ago because the cord got ruined. It still works like new to this day...all be it with a different cord.
Check out his video on adjustable wrenches where he compares a brand new craftsman versus an old one, the old one is WAYY better quality. They are basically riding on the coattails of Craftsman's good reputation at this point just building "Meh" tools that work
My dad still uses a corded skill saw from 40 years ago, he refuses to use mine because it’s not a worm drive
Thank you so much for including the Flex line! I suggested Flex incorporation just 2 months ago and you've already included it! I am especially grateful that you did the cordless circular saw because I wanted to know how the DeWalt I have compares to the Flex that I want. You really make it easy for me to confidently buy tools with your unbiased and thorough testing. Thanks again so much.
You are welcome!
Yeah he really does make you feel confident in the product you are buying. I'm starting my own contracting business and I need to buy a lot of tools. This channel seems to take a lot of guessing and hope out of the equation.
I know the dewalt requires a battery that is 6 amp hr be or better for full power(flex volt advantage it in the manual). I don’t know if the other manufactures have the same or similar technology. What if you did this test with each saw using with the optimum size battery?
@@richardthompson2494 DeWalt would still of lost.
How those flex 24 volt batteries,leaking? Longevity test would sort that out for ya
Thanks for doing this video. I would say my #1 thing to consider in a saw is what brand I already have batteries for but beyond that not many of these test really matter to me besides the vibration in the hand test and my ultimate characteristic I look for is a good solid shoe for the saw. It needs to have 0 deflection and a good straight reference surface for use with a straight edge. Just one man's opinion. Again great video.
Great point!
valid, point which is a good and bad thing now days, since it does limit, and if you already have alot of tools from 1 brand you rly dont want to buy from another, but as some1 that hasnt invested in tools yet these are very useful. as i can see how each brand preforms etc. and so far Milwaukee seems to Be the more consistant preformer in the top 3 or atleast top 5
@@ProjectFarm toddyyyyy.. british drink.. anyhoo,as before, makita is the best. made in japan,overseen in china.. not influenced by 3rd parties..as dewalt,milwalki bosch ect are.. did you look for the devils symbol,?. circle with tci in it. do not buy those tools. mark of the devil.. have you watched ave,s tool teardowns.. that,sums it up..great vids. im a 1 eyed makita owner. [ i do have a desperation buy bosch saw.]. i worked with vikings for a while in construction,cairns casino,au. there wrecking bars were something to sleep with.. if you stole it, or touched it,,you die.. how about wrecking bars.. sweedish,wins, ill bet..or german..
Very true, but as someone who owns mostly M18 tools, which I have a number of M18 batteries for; when I see a Ryobi soldering station, hot glue gun, or tire inflator that has a tool only option, I take it. I then get a "Badapter" battery adapter, so I can use my M18 batteries, with those couple of ryobi tools that I want.
I find these videos an absolute must to watch, as I can adapt my M18 batteries to many different brands.
Agree! I also look at durability. Those plastic guards won't last long after a drop which is very common. I'm not too concerned about endurance because it doesn't take too long to swap batteries. I might want to take a look at cutting power: can I cut through thick hard wood?
These videos keep getting better and better. And they were great to start with.
You've managed to pack a huge amount of analysis for a variety of different people into less than 20 minutes. Very impressive!
Thanks and you are welcome!
I can't believe how well the Craftsman did. Please include Craftsman in more power tool reviews!
Thanks for the suggestion.
And add who makes that power tool for Craftsman..
Craftsman and DeWalt come out of the same factory
I was just telling my wife yesterday how perfectly craftsman has positioned themselves in the market after they were purchased from Sears. Literally every single time he tests them they are just edging into the "professional" brands performance but at only slightly more than the "value" brands in cost.
I have been slowly stocking up on craftsman power tools, perform great, basically are derated dewalt. Nothing but good things to say about them, catch them on sale and they are hard to beat
For my $70 its hard to beat the Craftsman for the home user. It managed 10lb force and at $70 is considerably cheaper than the other leaders.
Thank you!
I don't know if they've fixed it, but a year or two ago they had a LOT of crib death's on their batteries. One time a customer had to go through 3 before getting one that worked, all brand new out of box (after the first one we tested them in store to make sure it was good before leaving.)
Their overall quality seemed fine for homeowners, we had a craftsman impact we used in the yard and it held up just fine to some hard use. The battery issue was unacceptable for my store though, i HATE selling defective products almost as much as the customer does having to come back for a replacement.
No idea who the other leaders are. If you mean the other budget brands i have a clue.
I am not a professional contractor but a normal home owner. If I have a choice, all of my tools would be Craftsman. Their older cordless drill is unbeatable and easily mixed buckets after buckets of cement and mortar while other brands (ryobi, rigid, etc...) had to be returned. Was so happy when I found upgraded batteries from nicad to lithium for my old cordless Craftsman. Even the new Craftsman are not built the same as the old Craftsman.
@@_-_-.-_-_ I agree. My craftsman is still going strong with the original battery
Outstanding as always! You're saving countless people time and money when purchasing power tools like these. You make deciding a much easier task. Thank you!
You are welcome!
Already have the DeWalt Flexvolt Advantage saw and the worm drive style flexvolt saw. Love them. So glad you tossed in the flexvolt battery so we could see the potential gains from it. Thanks for all your time and effort! It's nice seeing comparisons🤘👏
Thanks and you are welcome!
This guy should be teaching engineers. I love all the hard work you do. Merry Christmas sir
Thanks! Merry Christmas!
Without a doubt. Very well thought out tests. I'm waiting for the (5 year) longevity test. Time lapsed of course.
The amount of time to set up these tests for 1 sec of film time is impressive, no shortcuts making for a solid test as always. Nice work
@knfjdkghjudfhsgkjdhf me too
Thanks so much!
@@ProjectFarm out of subject.. what's your go to motor oil
Amazing testing as always! So detailed and very informative since I’m in the market for one now. The only test I wish could have been included was a battery longevity test to see how long each saw lasts when in use. But amazing job as always.
agree w longevity test
I have the Milwaukee and with a 5.0 AH battery I can cut an entire skid of 2x6's to stud length.
Also, after 2-1/2 years of everyday use my saw did stop working but Milwaukee replaced it under warranty with no questions asked. I'm a framer so it gets used hard.
Would last long for average homeowner
Hooking up a vacuum hose seems like it would defeat the purpose of a cordless tool
Even though I may never buy a cordless saw, I still like watching these test. I do have to give a round of applause on how you come up with test in general on what ever it is you are doing, it shows you try to think out every single way to safely test everything and give as much information as you can, it seriously makes a huge difference when thinking on what to go with.
Thanks for sharing!
Brilliant, so good. Maybe the most efficient, systematic, accurate, no bs (trimmed all the fat) review I’ve ever seen. Wish all reviews were as good.
Thanks!
Thank you for the vibration measurements! For me, this is one of the most important considerations for a cordless tool and it is almost never included in reviews.
You're very welcome!
LOL. 😺
Thanks again for including kobalt. I think for the price for tools and batteries they are a HELL of a brand. Never had an issue and this year they’re buckling down on new products!
Taking into account comfort and cost, I would still choose the Makita. The low vibration, would pay off in the end I think. However, I am not sure what it would weigh with the batteries inserted. It would have been nice to know battery life in this test. Thanks for posting this.
You are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.
I have that Makita and it's weight isn't an issue for this 54 year old man. Most my tools are red but there's something about the makita saws that just reak of quality. I got into the red tools simply for their power and durability. I'm a bit of a clutz at times.
I have used millwuki, dewalt and Makita. There is something about makita that I feel very comfortable. .not only it is light weight and low vibration, it is a well weight balanced saw.
@@thegoodfight365 I agree, all my cordless tools were Milwaukee and I was looking to get their circular but I found a deal that was too good to pass on this makita and I had to get it. So far I’m very impressed it’s very smooth and seems well built.
I’ve got the Makita. It replaced a 30-year old corded Craftsman, and it’s such a joy to use. Also about half as loud as my old corded saw. I got the kit on special with four 5-amp batteries for $249.
Smoothness (vibration) is paramount for quality and longevity. Makita was by far the best in that test (I may be a little biased). Can't get enough of this channel. Thanks again for another awesome video. Keep it up
Thanks, will do!
I did buy the Milwaukee 2732 (same in this test) and it is extremely smooth, you cannot actually feel any vibration that transfers into your bare hands. You can hear the motor, but you can't feel anything--this is with the stock Milwaukee blade on it. Milwaukee's brushless drills and especially their impact drivers, are extremely rough and coarse with a lot of noticeable vibration which is really annoying.
I've recently updated all my tools and bought an all flex line up and I can tell you they are amazing. I've been in the trades for 15 years and seen all brands at work and now I have some of the best tools at work. Flex also just came out with new battery platform that will blow away other batteries.
Thanks for the feedback.
I appreciate the consistency you strive for in your testing, and also seeing the difference that a battery can make in the same situation. Great job thanks.
Thanks and you are welcome!
Been waiting on this one! I'm invested in Ryobi and wanted to see how it matched up. I don't want to have multiple batteries/chargers so staying with Ryobi has been the ticket for me. Over 15+ years they have NOT changed the form factor, ensuring that my tools still work even when new battery technology is made available. I'm still using a 15 y/o recip & impact. But, I'm no "pro", just a home/DIY user, and used them for several house flips and for a house rental business. Middle of the pack is where they usually land, and thats ok for my needs. Thanks!
Same here. I've been using Ryobi tools, both corded and not, for nearly 20 years. I do feel like their quality has fallen off a bit, however. Most of mine are still blue.
@@Trebuchet48 Use an HP battery with it and it will perform significantly better, he did not use an HP battery which did not give the ryobi a fair shake. Still not enough to knock off milwaukee, makita, flex but would probably jump up.
Keep in mind that the HP tools do perform better with the HP batteries. I’ve yet to see PF test any tool with them. I regularly use mine to cut down commercial doors. That includes wood, aluminum and steel. It’s yet to let me down.
I have Dewalt and Milwaukee, bought a Milwaukee thanks to this video.
Thank you for sharing!
Another really well done test. I love the attention to detail, like ease of viewing blade depth gauge, and measuring handle vibration.
Other items to evaluate:
1) Flexing of base when applying weight to the handle, that results in a change of blade angle.
2) Also a quick mention of blade depth adjustment type. Most pivot at the front, but some use a slide mechanism that keep the saw parallel to the surface, regardless of blade depth, which is much nicer when reaching across long boards.
Suggestion for a future test: I would love to see a test of inspection cameras.
Thanks! Thanks for the video idea.
As a man that absolutely loves that double battery makita skill saw, I feel a test that doesn't get tested often (due to the fact that feasibly, it can't) is the longevity test, and also a durability test. Makita may not have the flashiest skill saw, or best value out of the box, but they can be darned hard to beat. All of our Makita skill saws have been exceptionally durable, pack plenty of power and have given years of service. Whether it be this double battery, a rear handle saw, or single battery (6&1/2"). DeWalt certainly does have it's own fans, but in our experience, longevity is quite lackluster.
The only cause of death of one of our double battery Makita skill saws, was being left haphazardly next to an open can of Great Stuff in a trailer that was going down the road. The Great Stuff filled the motor with foam and it died then and there. It was quite sad.
But, great video!
Me too. I don’t want to fanboy out, but as far as cordless tool tech goes, all others can’t compete.
Lol poor makita suffocating in the trailer.
I must say I totally agree with your experiences with makita. My experiences are similar minus the great stuff.
Makita loyalist myself
makita batts, might not last as long, but they have longevity. &,,are made by makita, not some 3rd hand. like the rest. even chinese, are overseen my makita. its japanese, they make the best tools. unless you pay for fein,ect.. look up ave, tool reviews.. he pulls them down to nothing. tells you the sht they do..or,,dont..
Dear old Dad bought a Makita corded drill when I was a kid, some time in the late 80's. He's still got it, still uses it for big drilling jobs, I think the only thing that's ever worn out on it is the power cord.
It's a bit different than a modern drill though, it's heavy, sounds like a jet engine spinning down when you let go of the trigger, and only spins 550 rpm. But it has all the power you could want from a hand-held drill.
All my tools are Makita they are simply the best you can buy.
Great testing! Good to see the Kobalt 24V tools in the testing. I got my elderly mom the 24v 120mph 500cfm leaf blower as its the lightest weight with the most output. It lasts longer and is much better than my Ryobi 18v blower.
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
This guy does the most amazing reviews on everything. No wasted time. Very informative! Great job!
Thanks and you are welcome!
Using an HP or a High Performance Ryobi battery will definitely help it in the rankings. Since they're stuck with the battery format, that limits the current the tool can pull from a single contact, so the HP batteries have an additional pair of contacts to pull more juice out of the battery.
Yeah definitely unfair not to use the 3ah hp there.
At least he's using the newer models now, I like that he's listening to feedback. But I don't think it would make too much a difference, maybe bump them up a position or two. And this is coming from a guy whose barn is covered in lime green tools
it's still old non HP-Ryobi battery on HP tool
The extra contacts in the HP batts are not for current, they are some type of communication with the tool. Basically without the communication the tool will limit itself to a much lower output than it could have.
Check out the torque test channel for verification on this, the difference is large, around 30% increase IIRC when using the HP batts vs say a 3AH standard batt.
All my cordless tools are Ryobi and I'm not changing brands because the circular saws stink. I have a Skillsaw for real work. :)
He said he was using 4ah batts for everything but it looked like a standard not HP. It would make a large difference in torque and therefore cutting speed, also trigger response. The rest would likely be similar.
It’s frustrating when reviewers miss on this simple factor. It happens a lot to Ryobi.
Good recommendation on the Craftsman. Nice to see that affordability is considered, as long as performance isn't far off. If I used one for a living, I'd buy one of the better performers, but infrequent use would put me in the Craftsman category.
Thanks for watching!
Kobalt makes extremely good tools. I have one of their air compressors and I've used it for hundreds of hours and it's never had a single leak. It holds air for months at a time, it has absolutely no loss of air after several months, which is just insane. Some air tools and tanks, when you buy them from Harbor Freight, they lose air because they don't even use real teflon on the joints. I also have a Kobalt sliding miter saw, and I've made thousands of cuts with it, and it will probably last forever.
That Craftsman looks like a winner for the occasional weekend project that otherwise will spend most of its time on a shelf in the garage. Many thanks again for incredibly useful and frugal videos!
Great point and thank you!
I agree. The new craftsman tool lineup is ideal for sitting on a shelf.
@Tom Smith Not if you're going to be using your tools every day, if you're just going to use them for some jobs around the house or small projects here and there they offer great value
Yes, craftsmen was dying out but they revised/modernized all their tools and have done a good job with lots of options at a good price.
I am a pro and bought hundreds of power tools some very expensive some much cheaper. Sometimes the cheaper brands do out preform the more expensive "top" tools. Name is important but its not everything.
I have meet alot of guys with expensive fancy tools that had no idea what they are doing. At the end of the day does the tool get the job done and does it last. No matter what you are doing (kitchen Remodel, building a deck or a fence) people will notice the job not what tools were used.
If anyone is interested, Lowe's currently has a sale going on where you buy a charger and TWO 4 amp batteries for $149, you get a free tool, and the Craftsman circular saw is one of them. It's going on until the 3rd week of April 2023. This saw alone is now $130, so basically for $20 more you get TWO 4 amp batteries and a charger. That is a great deal!
I work in a factory that uses strictly Milwaukee, I have all Craftsman brand tools, drill, driver, jig saw, circular saw, leaf blower, weed eater. What I tell people is "for a homeowner or hobby shop work it works great. but if you need the tools to make money spend the extra money for nicer stuff"
Thanks for the feedback.
I was SO excited to see you include a Kobalt XTR 24v tool. Then I was immediately disappointed (especially for experimental purposes) that you didn't use the 'new' XTR 4ah battery that was intended for the tool. 18650 cells vs the new 21700 cells with much more advanced cell balancing. Absolutely incredible batteries, can't wait to get my hands on the new 12ah version!
I feel like this was a worst case senario test for kobalt. The more expensive XTR tools are advertised as compatible with non xtr batteries so you don't have to swap batterys only. If Project Farm didn't have an XTR battery, he shouldn't have bought the XTR tool. The Kobalt circular saw non XTR can be bought for $100 sometimes, making it comparable to the Ryobi in terms of pricing.
Thanks for the constructive feedback.
Todd, thanks for the effort that you put into your videos, as well as the testing methods that you use. I know of no one else in your league. I hope the saw manufacturers take notice. Who knows what could be accomplished if they did.
Your test setups are amazing! As an engineer I really can appreciate how much thought and work you put into your testing. Thank you so much for your channel!
Thanks and you are welcome!
Keep up the awesome work and we will keep watching. We love your unbiased reviews and your recommendations at the conclusion. As always, thanks for your tight editing. As a former teacher, I appreciate no 'uhs', 'and so uh', and all the other verbalized pauses. Waiting for next week's video already.
Thank you very much!
I agree 100%. Todd is a great communicator!
Your tests are awesome! On cordless tools, I see though that once we have bought in to a battery system, we tend to stay with that brand. For example, once I had about three DeWalt 20v tools with six batteries and three chargers (now up to 14 tools, 22 batteries and a bunch of chargers), I tend not to even look at the red, blue, or orange stuff. Not sure how you'd do it, but would be interesting to see how each set of tools performed overall against another set of tools. Maybe pick five or six common tools and see which set, overall, comes out on top. I could have really used that before I was so far into yellow that it would be really, really hard to change (some of the red stuff looks pretty good). Thanks again for all you do.
Would definitely like to see the PF take on a core cordless tool system, 4-8 of the same tools. He should have enough data by now. Part of the issue is he'll get a ton of hate and they all have trade-offs depending on your exact needs and preferences.
Id say, drill/hammerdrill, impact, fullsized sawzall, 6.5 or 7.25 circ saw, OMT.
Maybe tools: grinder, one handed sawzall, jigsaw, ????, Lighting, nail guns, inflator,?
Same here with being a member of the DeWalt Nation. I do have some older or specialized tools of other brands that I am trying to wear out in brute force hard labor but I purchase or make a battery adapter so I don't have to chase a different infrastructure if there is ever an issue of battery failure. That being said in other applications, the Ingersol Rand, Worx, and Milwaukee batteries nor their chargers have not failed yet.. They are not used frequently (how often do I need 1100 ft./lbs of torque for example) but I would rather not buy mainstream tools that do not use my standard DeWalt batteries, given all their offerings.
Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the video idea.
Depends what you're prioritizing. (fine woodworking in a dedicated shop or transporting in a truck for remodling, etc.) Overall milwaukee's lineup (esp drills, drivers, osc. tools and even their new cordless nailers and m18 jigsaw) is probably best performing but you do pay a little more. Ryobi has the "most" tools in their system including stuff like a hot glue gun. Dewalt is super durable and the easiest to find in stores. I have a LOT of milwaukee and ryobi and have used a lot of Dewalt on jobsites. For the average homeowner I usually recommend ryobi.
Thanks for the great video, as a milwaukee person I almost hate to admit I just bought the dewalt 565b bc it was on sale for 90.00 and I already had a 5.0 battery. It works pretty good, no complaints other than it's not a milwaukee.
Good job man! Don't settle. I see alot of people on here talking about "because I already have the battery". Always go with the best. This channel is putting alot of companies in checkmate and I absolutely love it.
Thanks for sharing.
I’m very happy you threw in the bigger batteries, I was very impressed with all the saws as I only use corded at the moment. Very good tests overall!
Once again you have done an amazing job! Thank you Todd for helping all of us make an informed decision on which tools to purchase. You never cease to amaze! Please keep up the great work!
Thanks, will do!
I bought the flex saw and the drill/impact combo set when they first released and I can honestly say that the whole flex lineup has been FANTASTIC. My one and ONLY complaint about the flex tools is that the batteries seem to die fairly fast when used all day. With that said, they only take about 18-28 minutes to go from dead to fully charged.
Flex is definitely a pretty good brand have to admit!
Well then they're not dead...
The batteries do die quickly because its always running as if you're trying to cut over a ft/sec(power consumption-wise)
An extreme increase in battery life would be seen if they used a field oriented controller to only slightly over power whatever your cutting at any given moment. My rc crawler has this system, it maintains my set rpm on any incline, increasing or decreasing power automatically, i went from 1-3/4hr run time to 4hrs on the same battery by installing that system
@@PANZERFAUST90 No, it's cause the FLEX tools come with a fast charger.
@@Dale37 the fuck???....
This was a good test of these saws. I recently bought a DeWalt saw and mainly I did because I've already invested in the batteries and chargers and I've had good luck with their tools so far.
It seems Dewalt is doing a better job of not sourcing china for 100% of their products too. Pretty sure he mentioned Mexico for this DeWalt saw. Just about all others are china made.
Same here. I already had a bunch of the dewalt batteries and other tools and I've really liked mine so far.
The only problem with DeWalt is they purposefully only made a 7 1/4" in flexvolt and it was insanely expensive. I think they make one that isn't flexvolt now but it's still way more money then other brands. You pretty much have to buy just the saw as I don't think any combos come with the 7 1/4"
Dewalt may not spec out ahead in all the torque and power tests, but they make good stuff that last pros years. A lot goes onto good tools beyond power specs and dewalt is one of the best overall. Dewalt and Milwaukee and makita all have tools in the lineup that blow each other’s out of the water.
I noticed that this Dewalt wasn't the XR version which is what i own. Wonder if that would have performed better
That dual battery Makita might not have shined on this test but I love that thing. I've had mine for over two years and it can cut framing up for half a day before needing a charge. I recharge at lunch (charger plays different classical songs when fully charged) and keeps cutting for the remainder of the day.
Thanks for sharing,
Got one of those also. Great for small logs and trimming. Just toss it in the cart and go. No fussing with gas+oil mixtures and yanking. I know that the arborist community likes them for their "tree monkeys".
Not only that, but I would bet the Makita would win in a real life test through various work days. Its so Mich better ergonomically, smoother, and cuts smoother than the others.
Not criticizing the channel to say this but I was somewhat surprised run time was not one of the tests, possibly excluded because the makita is dual battery?
@@andrewr2650dual battery Makita is still a 5ah, even if it has 2 5ah batteries on it, bc they're functioning as one battery
I love my kobalt, its never given me any problems. That said, it strongly prefers big batteries doesn't like being run on the 2ah batteries.
Milwaukee circular saw is the same way. Goes "ka-kunk" and stops easy, on small or old batteries. I actually just about scrapped my sawzall until I put a new 5ah battery in it, that was 1.5 yrs ago.
Great point on battery size! Thank you
Yeah I've pretty much got rid of all my 2a batteries for that reason. Smallest I run is the 3a cpo Milwaukee batteries... My ridgid stuff I get the old 4ah batteries because they're cheap.
No circular saw runs well on 2 Ah batteries. The cells overheat due to the high current draw and they discharge quickly.
Old Ryobi user here, i think that when you go higher that generic cheap shit, you start to get pretty good results from any decent brand
That Makita is a beast. Used on on a few jobs a while back. Its heavy, but sometimes that helps for making accurate cuts.
The new XGT 40 VOLT is better again too
Got both Makita 18v and 40vMax, the 40v is more pro-user, the higher power and speed gives considerable cleaner cuts.
Thanks for sharing.
Glad to see you including flex in your lineups now 👍I'm an early adopter of the top end drill and impact and can attest to their quality. Flex is up there with the best.
Thanks for the feedback.
First time seeing your videos. I can't believe I never came across your channel before now. And I only had to watch one video tobe a subscriber. This one. I was more impressed with the channel than the review you was doing. Of course I will have to watch it again and pay attention more because you are full of information. Great job. Don't change a thing you do. I think you got it. With 3 million watching and this video with over 1.6 million hits. From every man out there👊
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i was amazed by the makita i used with inbuilt dust/swarf collector. cut thru metal strut like butter. so light and easy to use
Impressive!! Thank you
Before cordless... Makita made the best circular saws hands down.
@@RandiRain this one was cordless! made me wish i was invested in the makita ecosystem already. sadly all my tools/batteries are dewalt haha
@@UnimportantAcc Think hand-me-down or resale? Never regret buying quality but OTOH amazing what high grade blades, bits, etc. can do.
I have been using the dewalt flex saw for a living over 5 years so far that thing is a beast still going strong !
Nice!
It's the best saw by far in my opinion.
I have been watching this channel for a couple years now, always excellent information and I love the creative ways of testing different products, and no sponsorships to taint the results. Keep up the great work.
Thanks, will do!
I’m so happy you decided to do a video about circular saws!
Thanks! Glad to hear!
As an M18 aficionado, I am always cheering for Milwaukee in these tests. The common denominator is the Diablo blade. If you have not used Diablo, you will not be disappointed is cut quality and speed.
Thanks for the feedback.
Thankyou for the comparison and for using well thought out testing methods.
Something to point out though, for Bosch :
Bosch was the only brand in the test that was using a battery utilizing a single row of cells instead of double row. I understand they are high-drain 21700 cells rated at 4AH, however, the number of cells sharing the load is also a big factor as you saw in the test when 12ah packs were used ( although; those packs use high-drain 21700 cells compared to other brands 2 row packs that are probably using 18650's ).
Bosch saw probably asks you to use " Profactor-Batteries " since it can draw more amps from the better cells, and that limits you to choosing between : a single row 4ah pack, a two row 6.3ah, a two row 8ah, or a three row 12ah pack that might not be available yet.
Actually the Bosch has more power than the Makita with only one battery but for the full power Bosch says that you need a 5,5ah procore battery or bigger.The Makita should be removed from the comparison or each brand uses the biggest battery which shows the best performance of each tool.
Fantastic testing and procedure as usual! I have a Skil saw that is about 40yrs old with sealed ball bearing. I've never done anything with it but replaced the cord. It replaced an older, metal bodied Skil saw. All these newer features are nice, but come at a price point as far as build quality. My saw even fell out of the back of my truck in a residential neighborhood...went back, snagged it, straightened the bottom plate and it's still going today....nothing broken and no duct/electric tape holding anything together...lol.
I will take my skilsaw worm drive full metal jacket anytime over plastic.
Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
You are a master at devising ways (and actually building them) to test all your products. 👏🏻
Thanks!
I love the design of your experiments! Nice job.
Thank you very much!!
I’ve been impressed with a lot of Craftsman tools the past couple of years. For the price that saw and their small mitre are great deals for home or back up use. I am surprised how poorly the Dewalt did. I've loved mine.
Thanks for the feedback.
Seeing all his reviews, Milwaukee is definitely always close to the best or the best overall. And considering Milwaukee has the most tool options out there, I’d go for Milwaukee because I could interchange batteries and chargers between tools.
Thanks for the feedback.
Several other brands do the same nowadays, to prevent people from buying different brands.
EU will probably at some point force all big brands to use same batteries, to get less battery waste.
Normally I'd have been too cheap to go Milwaukee Fuel for all my tools, but Home Depot has had crazy 75% off deals lately due to the new Gen 4 stuff coming out, so now I'm all in on Milwaukee for like Ryobi prices haha
@@enthused7591 wish home depot had done the same in Canada.. can't seem to find any deals
Loved the 5 cycle on/off test, and vibration measurements. Thanks again for an excellent video so that I know what I am really getting.
You are welcome!
That’s exactly what I’ve been telling people. The makita just has a nice, refined, finesse feel to the saw. Love using makita saw. I personally think they are the best in terms of longevity, durability, lineup, and performance.
Thanks for sharing.
I've learned over the years that often what is more expensive now, ends up being cheaper in the long run. I myself prefer quality tools Makita, Bosh or DeWalt. I'm not a tradie, but I do many projects at home and for me those three brands are very intuitive, a pleasure to use and I think ultimately improve my work.
ryobi has a couple winners that are dirt cheap for the performance returns, especially at diy level. ill recommend and swear by their 18g brad nailer and the 7-1/4 miter saw. each can be had at or under $100(direct tools) and add tons of portability, versatility and convenience. the miter saw isnt fine woodworking exact but its been good to me and easy to move around/setup.
Thanks for the feedback.
@@fixerupperer Thanks man! You are right... today this theory is less true. There is much bigger competition, more advanced and widely accessible technology, often copied by China at much reduced production costs.
About 8years ago I bought Ryobi industrial vacume cleaner which I use a lot and is still going strong, but I'm trying to stick with brands I already have, as I don't want to buy yet another type of battery or keep even more bulky chargers around.
@@robotstonka7118 many are still stuck in 10+ year ago mindset regarding power tools where significant innovation is happening annually.
@@fixerupperer I have all Dewalt Flexvolt and Milwaukee 18v Red Lithium, and the 16" and 18" Ryobi brad nailer's. Those brad Ryobi brad nailers run circles around every other brand out there! Just wish all batteries were interchangeable.
Surprising results. I’ll hang onto my Makita though.
Thanks for the feedback.
Thank you for all your work! I purchased the Dewalt 20v set and added a few extra toys... the lol the 12 inch chain saw... (for the extra battery) !!! I used the circular saw for the first time... I was impressed on how well it worked on a 3/4'" green treated 4x8. Battery tools have gotten alot better over the years. Appreciate all your thoughts and effort!
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
You are da man!
Excellent comparison...I was amazed and never considered that higher amp-hour batteries give the saws more power to make cuts that the saws fell short with lower amp-hour batteries; great test configuration and useful conclusions...thanks for the good work as always.
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No one uses a 4 amp battery with a Milwaukee Fuel circ saw, unless they’re desperate. I would use a 3 amp High Output battery before a 4 amp battery. Typically the smallest amperage I would consider using during a project is a 5 amp battery. However, I would usually use a 6 amp High Output battery. If the Milwaukee “High Output” batteries were used during the test, you would see better results.
Amazing content. Huge service for the general consumer. Have a quick request. Metal circular saws have come a long way from the earlier days, and a lot of them, even the non-corded versions, can even cut 1/2-inch steel with ease. Almost all of them are worm drive versions so hard to decide which one is better. If possible, a comparative test could be hugely helpful. Your channel is a real gem for all of us.
Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
I was very happy to see you use the high output/voltage options on the Bosch, Dewalt and Milwaukee saws on the cut test as they are all designed to make use of the extra power when available. Another great, well thought out comparison video. 👍
Thanks!
Another Excellent review, that saved me from buying the Wrong Saw! Thanks!!
That Craftsman went from $70.00 to 129.00 in a yearWhat a mark up!
Thanks! Glad to hear!
I noticed the Bosch saw was the only item with a round discharge that might rotate and likely fits a vacuum hose. Some of the other saws appeared to have the capability of a vacuum connection. That feature wasn't noted in the test.
Thanks for the feedback.
the Bosch wasn't tested with a bigger battery which makes a big difference . Also the 36v Makita is not fair because it uses two batteries
Bosch says for full power 5,5ah procore or bigger
@@ProjectFarm Use the biggest battery for each brand next time. That way it shows the potential of each tool.
Every time PF posts a video, you know its good.
Outstanding testing! Even performed vibration tests. Well done!
Thanks!
The new Ryobi batteries do make a dramatic difference. I was happy with the tools before but now with the new higher output batteries it is exceptional.
Thanks for the feedback.
Yes it looks like he didn't use the correct battery for the Ryobi. I'd like to see a video with a correct battery to compare
Should have used the available 9amp battery like he did with the other brands. Still Flex is impressive.
I just saved a load of time choosing a saw! Thanks a billion!
You are welcome!
I definitely factor in battery size when working on various projects. I've noticed quite a difference between tool performance depending on whether I grab my 12amp/hr or 2amp/hr battery for my Milwaukee tools.
Thanks for the feedback.
For any high drain tools like superhawg I never use anything smaller than xc5ah. Funnily enough the $4k press tools perform just as well with 1.5 and 3ah
The amp hour doesn’t matter, it’s the volts that matter. Amp hour is just how much capacity the battery has but has nothing to do with how much power the battery can output, that all comes down to voltage
@@mikeiscoo2 Capacity does actually affect the power of the tool. All batteries have a maximum current draw which is usually set as a percentage of their capacity (say 10C or 10 x capacity as an example). So a 5AH battery could supply 50 amps, whereas an 8AH battery could provide 80 amps, or whatever the manufacturer decides. Obviously the tool will only ever draw a certain maximum so putting a larger battery in won't always make a difference.
Depends how much draw the tool has. I saw another test where Todd used different amp/hr Milwaukee batteries & the tool's performance was worse with the larger batteries than with the 2 amp/hr battery. That wasn't the case for the other brands, just Milwaukee. I wish I could recall what lower draw tool it was that this occurred.
I love all of the engineering and thought you put in to all of your tests. A+ It's a shame that you are unable to include Longevity for these tests. I have 6, 18 V batteries that are all more that 10 years old and have never replace any of them. I still believe that time tells the story.
Also I have been in construction and wood crafting for 50 years. Therefore I know that there is a variance between the wood grains even in the same board. You have proven that buy cutting 3 different blocks and coming up with 3 different time readings. None of these tools are designed for brute force too much force will instantly stop any of these tools.
Experience Example, I can't tell you how many times I've had to stop a young man when using a drill and teach them a simple trick of saving bits and motors by pulling the drill bit in and out of the hole you are drilling ( especially masonry )to clear the fluke on the bit and keep the bit from seizing up and binding the motor.
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
I have 2 Dewalt 18v - 20v max 4ah batteries that are 11 years now and still running as new.
I'm curious about this one I've ran a few of these and my go to is my DeWalt 60 volt flex let me gets some popcorn real quick.
DeWalt 60V saw with the 60V battery is amazing!
Project Farm, I love your channel and what you do. I am a small business owner that does remodeling work, and I am invested in the Milwaukee brand. My brother/partner loves the DeWalt brand. It is good fun to rag on each other about tools, and your channel helps us decide our debates sometimes. We have a carpenter whom uses the Makita brand, so this helps us to keep our tools separated for the most part. I truly think that your videos are just something wonderful, and I eventually would love to give insight from the field to engineer the best tools that could ever be made. I truly hope that the engineers designing these tools watch some of your methods, and take the information into account. One major thing I would love to see overcome is the saw guard be able to not catch when ripping 1/2” or 3/4” plywood. I often like to use one hand to rip plywood when they are small cuts, and it makes it difficult when the guard gets caught making necessary the use of both hands on the saw, which ends up requiring either a clamp, or some kind of weight. Thanks again Project Farm. We love what you do sir! Many Blessings!
Thanks so very much! Thanks for sharing!
One thing to keep in mind with ryobi hp tools is they will work with other older batteries but will perform really bad. You need to make sure you use one of the hp batteries with the extra 2 contacts on the back to see their true performance. Regardless great video as always!
Thank you!
Yes. Testing the premium brands with really big batteries and leaving out the Ryboi HP batteries skewed the results. Still a very good test, but Ryobi is so popular, it would be nice to see the brand represented with its best foot forward.
Very informative. Curious as to why you choose to compare brushed against brushless models like the ridgid? Ridgid has had a brushless model for years. It would be different if all they had was brushless.
As a guy that has owned several of these saws and settled on the Craftsman brushless saw I must say I’m pretty impressed with it and your testing proves it’s quality. Also having owned the Ryobi saw for a hot minute I will say Ryobi really crapped the bed with their “pro model” circular saw. Everything about it felt cheap and the performance was on par with your testing.
Great feedback on the Craftsman! Thank you
@@ProjectFarm I can't help reading all your comments in your energetic voice
Hello mate ,yes I had the first brushless Ryobi 7 1/4" saw a few years ago and was VERY disappointed and when this gen 2 was introduced I can see they still haven't learnt anything!!!! I have seen the performance other manufacturers have achieved on 18 volt so there is no excuse for Ryobi.
@Praise Jesus, Repent or Likewise Perish You're on the wrong channel buddy ,go over to Kenneth Copeland or some other religious channel . Allah Akbar 😎
I was actually more impressed with the first gen Brushless circ saw regarding power. That cheap stamped shoe that you can’t get flat is a real downer however. I like you assumed they’d build on that first gen and the newer one would fix the issues the first brushless saw had. Boy was I disappointed.
I always seek out his videos so I can make a informed decision, thank you for your great work and service
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It's always nice to see a Ridgid tool included in these consistently excellent tests. However, I feel compelled to say something about the R8652. Not only does it have the inherent disadvantage of being brushed, it's also quite old. Best I can determine, it was introduced no later than 2015.
Seven years is pretty long-in-the-tooth in the cordless tool world. Ridgid has released no fewer than four 18V brushless circular saws since then, including the Gen5x Brushless R8653, the Octane R8654, and their two current brushless models, the R8657 and Subcompact R8356 (both 6.5" bladed).
Putting the R8652 up against a bevy of more-modern, brushless models doesn't feel like an even remotely fair fight. But that's just my $0.02 USD.
NEW RIDGID TOOLS ARE BRUSHLESS. DO NOT WHY HE SELECTED SUCH AN OLD SAW. $$
Yes, this! The test should of been done with the R8657B (7 1/4)and their new batteries
Thx for pointing this out. I don't think you can order Ridgid off of Amazon and get the lifetime warranty(has to be Home Depot), so I wonder if the link is a reseller?
The Milwaukee is old to released 2014
Was going to post the same thing till I saw yours, you beat me too it.
One of the biggest factors in tool choice for me was the number/quantity and or variety of tools that use the same battery. And of course cost and ease of purchase & warranty. I invested heavily in Ryobi years ago for these reasons. A comparison of product lines with these criteria would be fantastic. It would be purely academic though with no actual purchase necessary. Just go to the store and list all the things in the tool line that accept the battery design and the cost of the most common tools & batteries. Thanks for the great content!
You are welcome!
Honestly probably wouldn't even need to do that. Because some tools aren't carried in the stores so the websites would be easier
I got Ryobi tools as well, but as you go into more projects I was eventually forced to get Milwaukee because they have by far the best electric nailers, especially handy finish nailer, since it's light enough. They also tend to make better tools, they make best bits for impact driver and there's a variety of their tools available at home depot and such.
And having 2 sets of batteries isn't a problem - it's beneficial for some projects to constantly charge 2 or 3 batteries at the same time as operating 2 batteries (vacuum+sander for example). There's a bit difference to what you could do with 3 batteries vs 4 6Ah batteries.
@@artemaung5274 I understand what you're saying, but 1/4 inch impact driver bits are universal... you don't need a Milwaukee impact driver to use Milwaukee bits, I use them with my Makita impact driver
@@tcg1_qc Same, I use them with my ryobi impact. But the thing is that now I have two sets of batteries and I have the freedom to choose either Ryobi or Milwaukee for any new battery tool since you need like 4 batteries anyways for bigger projects.
Another great video, thanks! Wonder why you chose the brushed Ridgid and not the R8653 Brushless model when all the other contenders had brushless motors? I have both the Brushless Ridgid and Milwaukee Fuel and use them almost every day. Both great saws in my opinion.
Also the R8653 was on the market way back in January 2016. Even it is considerably outdated when compared to the other contemporary models. Weird choice.
Im quite happy with my cheap craftsman saw. It has held up to my older expensive saws.
Thanks for the feedback.
I was leaning towards the Craftsman simply because of the $70 or $79 price at the time the video was made and it performed quite well. But I just checked the price and they're now $129. Quite a big increase in price.
So, my research continues...
The Flex tools are impressive, the more reviews I see the more they just seem to be a step above the rest.
Thanks for the feedback.
It wouldn't have mattered but since their was battery swapping during the test the Ryobi should have been tested with an HP battery.
I agree. I've mentioned this in the past. While we all know Ryobi will never be a top contender, constantly testing HP devices with batteries not designed to provide the tool's full performance, provides a poor review comparison.
@@Protocol-X The same goes for DeWalt, Milwaukee and Bosch. They all need the high output double or triple row batteries to reach max performance.
It's a shame the new Skil Pwrcore 20v saw wasn't included this test. Really curious to see how that performs.
Those Ryobi HP Brushless tools really need the HP / Hi Performance batteries to bring out their potential. You should do a video comparison of Ryobi's many different batteries to test the power differences.
Thanks for the suggestion.
I would like to see that also.
My inlaws have a lot of ryobis. So i second this.
I agree completely, otherwise they left a ton of performance in the table, Ryobi tools are very powerful, but the older batteries really held them back
I’m female and a hobby DIYer, and my hubby wants to buy a cordless circular saw (to complement my growing tool kit collection😅) for my birthday and I stumbled upon your video. Wow, I was only thinking about rpm and weight, as had no idea about the rest! I just wanted it to be practical for a female (hence weight) and powerful so I don’t have to push the darn thing through wood. Your video has certainly armed me with all I need to go an speak to a supplier, with a confident, and hopefully, knowledgable manner. I’ve just subscribed!,
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That was a very interesting testing matrix, thanks for all the work you did. However, the one thing I'm really interested in about a cordless circular saw is how many 8' cuts I can make in 3/8" plywood before changing the battery? Or, how many crosscuts in a 2 x 6" can be made with one battery? If I need a generator to charge the batteries I might as well use a corded saw.
As someone who frame's homes and mainly uses corded tools, having a cordless circular saw was a complete game changer for those times that having to deal with the weight of a corded saw plus the weight of the extension cord. when you are 16ft off the ground, not needing to deal with extra stuff in the way in an already awkward position is almost invaluable.
Just disappointed the right handed saws aren't more common place. That is my only problem with cordless saws.
Just carry extra batteries. I have many cordless tools going back 25+ years. Since I got into Li-Ion in 2010, I've had great success with these batteries lasting years. My 18V Kobalts are still going strong at 12 years and one even got left in the attic for over two years before I found it.
One thing that was overlooked was how many cuts could each do with a fully charged battery.
There were many things overlooked. Like cutting through more trying materials than kiln dried lumber.
The video is 18:17 long, it was released 11 minutes ago. Already ONE thumbs down. Who are these jackwagons??? Excellent video Todd - look forward to seeing it to the end.... AFTER I give it a thumbs up.
Either a robot, or, someone with one of those brands that failed some tests. You can check the comment section now, many reads really...sour.
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Very helpful, no bias, just pure and honest review.
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I've been desperately waiting for this test! I have a 60v Flex DeWalt and it has incredible power. But the 60/20v flex battery says 9Ahr, but that 9 is only when using it on the 20 volt tools like your saw here. On the 60 volt tools like mine, it's actually a 3Ah. But I can still do a full day with it. I'm also very interested in the Bosch Profacter.
I have a comparable Bosch saw (the one with guide rail compatibility) and it's great. For optimal performance, you do need a 5.5 Ah or more (meaning double or triple row) battery. 4Ah (single row) is fine for thin and soft wood. For thicker and harder woods, it will work (just slower and more prone to stalling), but it performs significantly better with the 5.5 Ah battery.
I have the same saw. Yes the amps are 1/3 but the saw doesn’t have to work as hard in each cut. So the actual runtime in my case is more then expected
A 60v-3ah battery lasts slightly longer than a 20v-9ah. Same capacity battery (same Wh) but less transmission loss with higher voltage.
I also have the 60v dewalt circular saw. It is stronger than a plug in saw and not too heavy. It is the best saw I've ever had.
@@chester8420 in my trailer it is by far the best money I have spent. Also the Dewalt 600mm plugged in table saw is a bloody beast. Love it also
The Makita has a slow start feature to reduce fatigue and that is why it was slow in response it also was just behind flex for speed and since both are 36 volt that makes sense. The low vibration of makita is huge for the professional makita. Price per feature I think craftsman is pretty darn good but wonder how that value changes when you add batteries - flex was 300 with batteries and top performer and Makita was $224 for kit. Tough call
Feels like you're picking on Ridgid by comparing the brushed version. Looks like they haven't been keeping their brushless 7 1/4 in stock at store though, their focusing on their subcompact guy, which looks to be quite the performer.
Glad to see kobalt being included. HF just needs some love now. Too many brands to test.
Dude it’s 3am and this channel got recommended not sure why but I’m liking it.
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Surprising to see the Dewalt performed in the middle on almost every test. I have the Dewalt. I have to say, it feels very balanced in my hand and runs very smooth! I’m always impressed with your testing methods! Nice Work!! 👍👍
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For me dewalt is the best 👌 👍 😍....
Smoothness is just as important as power for some uses. I bough a Bosch corded angle grinder, and the gear case makes a terrible grinding noise and it vibrates like hell. I was watching one of these test reviews by this channel and sure enough the Bosch had the worst vibration out of any of the angle grinders, with 3 times more vibration than a Metabo.