Here’s the list of products reviewed. More details in the video description. Thank you! Ridgid: amzn.to/3t32tNG Ryobi: amzn.to/3pbu3ag WorkPro: amzn.to/3pf3TUm Bosch: amzn.to/3sh3Vgo DeWalt: amzn.to/3t4AInV Craftsman: amzn.to/3BNYp82 Makita: amzn.to/3C1iAj7 Metabo HPT: amzn.to/3pbTpF4 Knockoff Makita (tool only option): amzn.to/3sikOHe Milwaukee: Available at Home Depot
One thing I'd like to see is the cheapest and most expensive tools within the brands too. Like DeWalt XR and non XR. See where each of them fall in the lineup.
definitely some mystery about all the acronyms out there that companies try to upsell you with. Would be particularly interested in seeing a comparison of performance and durability of brushed versus brushless.
Don't buy any knock off product. It's all stolen technology by a CCP company and you're only encouraging their illegal behavior because you're being cheap.
I know what it takes to make a video like this, and I want to bring attention to how concise your edits are. No extra fluff or nonsense, right to the info, right to the point. Great video, very scientific and compelling. Thank you for all your efforts, they do make a difference.
I bought 3 dewalt grinders, and 3 metabo grinders for my welding business in 1997 Burned up 2 dewalts in less than a month. Returned all of the dewalts. The metabos are still going strong only getting new cords occasionally and new brushes about once a year. Love my metabos.
My favorite part of farm is the inventive fixtures he makes. It's amazing how much work he does behind the scenes to take the human factor out. Thank you. I'd actually be interested in a video going over your favorite test equipment and how you made it.
I just want to say, vibration is such an underrated consideration with tools and I’m glad you include it. High vibration tools can wreck your forearms and elbows and spending a bit more to avoid that can save you a ton of money and pain in terms of PT. Source: in PT for elbow issues caused by a demo project last year.
heh put you on the 90# jackhammer and see how you do. Those things are all about get wrecked. I used to work for a contractor that had a hospital grade jackhammer though. It was nice. Yeah hospital grade jackhammers are a thing. If you work at a hospital they insist that you use one.
I've watched every video on this channel for the last 4 years. I'm not even sure why. Most of the things reviewed are not things I intend to buy, but for some reason it's kinda relaxing and fun to watch PF methodically test a bunch of stuff. Thanks for the great videos!
I love that you added in the vibration testing. It's an often overlooked fatigue and joint stress factor that greatly factors into the overall workability of a tool.
I could tell when he introduced the tools in the beginning of the video how smooth sounding the motor and gear box were on the Rigid. That's one area DeWalt could really step up their game on.
But it was also a little bit unfair. E. g. for the Bosch an anti vibration handle is available, too. This would of course raise the price but if I want less vibrations, I could reduce it. And it also depends on the disc you are using, there are also low vibration discs out there.
Todd, you deserve so much credit for the editing and narration of these videos. It's like someone challenged you to make a video that only showed what absolutely mattered and nothing more. You cram so much valuable insight and entertainment into your videos and most of us don't even realise because we're glued to the screen. You should be giving lectures to Corporations on 'How to present what actually matters'. Kudos mate!
I watch a lot of different RUclips channels, and this channel is by far the most comprehensive, most thorough, most unbiased and most informative I've seen. Todd really puts a lot of time and work into his content and doesn't cut corners. Nothing but respect for this man and his work.
He's the best! No potty mouth, no extraneous commentary to show how smart he is or blathering on just to hear his own voice. (Like some channels I won't mention).
As a tile guy this comparison is extremely applicable to my life. Thanks as always my friend :) I currently use a Milwaukee for all of my tile needs. And have had the same grinder for 5 years now still runs great!
I haven't upgraded the M18 sawzall to the brushless, it's 7ish years old, battered and ugly, but still works. I thought it needed replaced 2 years ago, got new batteries, runs like a champ. The one hander does look convenient....next Christmas sale. Lol
I do roofing and have gone through 6 of the 2780 models. Using these to cut clay and concrete tiles They dont do well with the dust. Same failure everytime . Back back bearing at rotor from dust ingress . First time i tried to warranty milwaukee refused saying tool was abused. Lol. By the 3rd or 4th failure i figured out how to replace the bearings myself. Had to make special tools but got it worked out. I detailed a review on Milwaukee website and they reached out to me inquiring about the failures. They ended up sending me a care package full of goodies. They have since discontinued that model. Glad you have had better luck but my grinders get used hard
I'm heavily invested in DeWalt battery platform, so I was going to get a DeWalt anyway. I tried the 60v (flexvolt) battery in it, and all I can say is wheeee! Big difference! We need to lobby for a universal battery configuration so we can try different tool brands!
That is a good point, battery is often the difference. I have various OEM and knockoff batteries for RYOBI. Some of the knockoffs are useless for anything but light work, some are OK, none are as good as the OEM.
Perfect timing. Been thinking about a grinder and wasn't sure if I wanted to extend my current Ridgid platform with their option. Ridgid, at least in this tool choice, looks like a solid buy. I really enjoy your testing setups, to the point but not overly complicated. Thank you!
I was actually just commenting about this too! Ridgid I feel that their performance to price point value is very high! I never owned one, but all the tests I've seen Project Farm do with them, they always perform very well, and never costing the price of a kidney to purchase. If I didn't have my Milwaukee setup currently, I'd definitely have gotten myself into the Ridgid game. Something about DeWalt I don't want their tool lines. I like their tool bits, and stuff, just not power tools.
We've been using one of the Milwaukee grinders for a couple of years on a fabrication project, and it has been very impressive. Just ordered a second grinder so we won't have to change disks between grinding and cutting.
Your videos never fail to impress me. You’re my “go-to” whenever I’m in the market for a new or replacement tool, etc. Thanks so much for these in-depth practical reviews! They outshine the spec/marketing only reviews by a long shot!
Makita stopping in less than 1 second is definitely a great safety feature and time saver. Surprised more don't have brakes like that. Also surprising how well a knockoff Makita did here!
I keep saying the same thing, WOW! I was in research testing for many years and I must say I really approve of the methods of test that are performed here. Great channel for tool and product testing. Thank you sir for sharing all this valuable info as it answers all your questions concerning tool and products.
Thanks so much for including the Rigid tools in the lineup!! I am invested in them for their lifetime service agreement, and while I know they're usually not the best, it's great seeing how they stack up next to the big names. You're the best, and I'm excited every week for your new video!
RUclips had better be paying this man very very well! The amount of work and time he puts into his videos is incredible! And the amount of value that he gives his viewers is also equally incredible! Pay this man!!!
That was an amazing comparison you've made! I'll add my personal experiences if I may. I'm a Y12 student and at my high school in the metal work rooms they've standardized Makita and have these girders. I've used them for hours on end and perform very well provided you give them 3amp or high batteries. They are also tough as they are used by the most unskilled and most mechanical sympathy lacking students, they are dropped, have wheels explode, left out in the sun (40 degrees plus here in Australia) and left in the rain. They are used five hours a day 5 days a week for 40 weeks a year and they keep running. Love the quality so much I purchased one my self (the brushed version though) one other thing i noticed was the nock off Makita grinder didn't have the low battery detector and so if you're using this tool you must monitor the battery life and not run it dead or you will kill the battery permanently.
Actually just happened to have purchased this 2981 milwaukee 2 weeks ago... Was able to put it to work on a small project, was very impressed with the ease of cutting T-lock tracks for my trailer. Good to see this test justifies spending over $200...
Glad it is working well for you! That's the thing with buying Milwaukee, it is almost always worth the money - which is totally proven on this channel. If they aren't the best performing tool in the category, they are always very close.
I agree the Milwaukee fuel is great grinder but it can’t touch the dewalt flexvolt I’ve used most all these grinders and the flexvolt has proven its way many times over as well as much much more comfortable.
@@jamesfair9751 I have heard that a number of times with those too. would be cool to see a “battle of the best” shootout with top models from top (maybe 3) brands in ,say 3 tools, winner takes title as the king of power tools! More so for bragging rights than anything perhaps, but who wouldn’t want to use the top tool brand, as rated by PF haha
As always well done. I'm a Milwaukee fan regardless of cost and it's nice to see that it performs well. I wish their accessories performed at that level.
As a welder for the last 10 years, nothing beats the 5" Milwaukee fuel grinder for cordless performance and weight. I've worn out the gears in 4 of them, which is my only gripe, needs more lubrication in the gear drive area.
@@sjelliott6660 He's a welder - he probably uses the hell out of the tool, and has seen the others fail earlier. Get your comparisons straight. I used to work in selective demolition, and it wasn't about which tool would not fail, but which tool took the longest before failure. With reciprocating saws, those were also Milwaukee. Bosh, Rigid, Makita, etc. all failed earlier. Milwaukee was worth the money, even for the eventual failure.
Another great test! I've actually made quite a few of my tool purchases based on these non-biased tests. Always honest results. I use a lot of Harbor Freight tools as I am small scale and the tool quality is getting better. Would you consider doing a series focusing on the Warrior vs Baur vs Hercules vs a top line brand? Looking forward to more videos!
I'll give it to project farm, this guy doesn't mess around! If I need to know my s#%t about a class of tool project farm has got it on lock down. 10 out of 10 for thorough analytics my man. I like the fact that this dude delivers straight facts, not his personal opinion like some other review channels. For straight up cold hard factual analysis he won't be beaten. TOP JOB PROJECT FARM ! ! !
Great test as always. The title needs to include “Cordless”. I want to see a corded angle grinder test, including the $15 Harbor Freight “Drillmaster” angle grinder.
The drill master is a great little grinder its only 4 amps so you can’t even put 5lbs of pressure. It took almost 15 minutes maybe more to cut a 3ft long piece of 1/4in steel if you let the tool do the work it will last just about forever bought one in 2016 still works great
@@Redline2442 I also bought into those cheap no name grinders, they aren't amazing but I have 3 of them and if one fails, I can plug in the next. Also it's a cheap way to get the convenience of not having to constantly change between different types discs, these grinders are adequate for anything short of cutting (the instructions might even say to not use them for that purpose)
The $15 harbor freight grinder is junk, but the $35 one is pretty decent. It lasted me all through welding school and well into my welding career until it finally burned up while a co-worker was borrowing it. Probably just needed new brushes, but I already had two Bosch grinders and an American-made DeWalt grinder, so I just started keeping the DeWalt in my bag. By far my favorite corded grinder.
If you wish to keep all your extremities leave the 15 dollar one alone. I’ve had not one but two fail the same way and both times I sat there and just stared for a few minutes wondering how I walked away
Yes, this is exactly what I've been waiting for. :D This goes to show that my man Todd really does listen to comment suggestions. Keep up the awesome videos, you legend you.
I just bought an angle grinder 3 days ago. I went with the DeWalt due to it being on sale at HD. Thanks again for the videos and the work you put into them.
Really glad you included the Ridgid grinder, I feel like a lot of people overlook the brand and it’s performed well in each test it’s been in. I have a bunch of the Ridgid Octane tools and I love them, I’ve never had an issue with any of them. Besides, you can’t go wrong with the lifetime warranty they come with.
I use them near 40 hours a week. I'm a commercial electrician so battery tools are my livelihood. Two years ago when my truck got stolen with all my Dewalt tools in it, I had a decision to make. I restarted with Ridgid over Milwaukee because of the price of the tools but I'm so glad I did. They out preform Dewalt consistently now.
Yep, I am a Ridgid user as well. Like their tools and basically got started because of the warranty. So you get the base tools and batteries and I believe most people go with what batteries they currently own. Milwaukee tools always do well in the head to head comparisons; however, they are tested using the best batteries they have. Ridgid testing seems to use the older battery tech. I bet using the best battery from Ridgid and Milwaukee they would be almost the same. This guy is a good as consumer reports and seems like a heck of a nice guy to boot.
I got the Flexvolt DeWalt grinder I was impressed with the interchangeable disc sizes but have I put her through hell and she still outperform the corded tools I’ve used cement cutting straight hours of cement grinding metal cutting and grinding just a beast
Totally agree I’ve used most all these and nothing can touch the dewalt flexvolt. I’m sure you’ve also noticed the flexvolt being a hell of a lot more comfortable as well. My hands and forearms use to ache me so bad every night when I got home from work using those other grinders all day.
Love my Dewalt Flexvolt grinder. Expensive, but with 3 60v batteries I can work all day almost non stop. Doesn't quite outperform corded tools for heavy grinding, but for light and medium tasks its perfect. Definitely my favorite tool I own.
A major suggestion I'd like to make: Put up a spreadsheet showing the comparative values of the tools tested so far in the video. Like when comparing RPMs, show the previous competitors' results and their claimed performance.
I would love a video on the best rotary tool. I have a ALDI-brand Ferrex and I've seen Workforce and of course Dremel, Milwaukee and Makita. Also how do the different types of Dremel accessories compare to other brands? (ceramic cutter, routing bits, etc) Thanks so much for your videos! They inform my buying choices every time I go shopping.
One random thing I noticed with genuine Dremel accessories vs cheaper ones, is the little cut off wheels from the cheaper ones absolutely reek. They all break just as easily though.
@@ProjectFarm If I was a Millionaire, I'd donate you some ACTUAL Pro battery angle grinders where I worked with some.... Hilti & Hitachi cost only about 200-250$ each surprisingly. High-end Eisenblätter wants a bit more than 500$ but some models go beyond 700$. Same as the Original, the Inventor of these Angle grinders FLEX also wants around 500$. Festo, another company I used Festool tools wants still a hefty 400$ AEG is 250$ Panasonic anywhere between 400$ and a whopping 700$, depending on the model. Prices are averages and sometimes converted from Euro. Thanks for your small overview! :)
As funny as it sounds, years back I had some Dremel "production work". Like 200 little mis-manufactured pieces that needed tweaked to be installed. Wore out a Herbert Fraught, and another off brand, 9:30 at night ran to Home Depot and bought a $89 Dremel brand. Was getting 3 per hour with the two cheaper ones, went to 10 per hour with the Dremel. I am sure there are other good ones, but that impressed me. Their little bat-wing speed locks for cut off wheels work great too. Expensive, but good.
The guy who taught me about concrete basics was a wealth of knowledge and I always used his makita. It never gave me a single hitch. Especially with a diamond blade
Aside from a few outliers most of those grinders look to be useable. I'd be interested to see a runtime test between them all, because that's all that really matters. A grinder you can't push on so much will still cut, and if the battery lasts 20 minutes v/s 10 minutes on the competition that you can hoof on - then the 20 minute runtime is probably a better pick. I know for myself I can get about 15 minutes out of a 5Ah on a DCG405. I get significantly less out of an older Makita DGA452. One feature you might want to test on the DCG415 is cutting something that grabs the disc trying to force a kickback. My DCG405 stops dead in those situations.
The big name brands have several different batteries to choose from. So even if a Milwaukee which was clearly the fastest doesnt last as long as a Craftsman if they both use a 3Ah battery, Milwaukee has options up to 12Ah
@@jabroni6199 You gonna take out a second mortgage on the house to buy those tools along with all the batteries that Milwaukee seems to never send with the tool?
@@fouraces9137 If you’re asking me, All but one of my cordless tools are already Milwaukee. how much you’re willing or able to spend is a separate topic. The comment was about run times not value. I’m merely pointing out that run time isn’t such a black and white answer, especially if you compare some of the cheaper tools which may only have one or two battery options to some of the pricier ones that have a half dozen options. As it relates to buying and 2nd mortgages, unless I need the tool asap, which is pretty much never, I typically buy them around the holidays or Father’s Day when Home Depot has some promos going.
@UClNnKe20_3rGH5uIqjTvFmQ :D If you need to cut something bigger I don't think a 4 1/2 inch battery grinder would be the weapon of choice. Or at least you would get the big drain batteries knowing that you are going to be out in the field for a long time and needing to hoof on it! Mostly we do fabrication and installation in a factory setting. Although I have chopped at least 2 complete Multivac thermoforming machines into flat scrap with the DCG405. And it did well. The reason to not use mains power in that instance is it was on a working yard with no power on the side that was needed, And no way to run a cable without getting a slap from H&S. I think I ran 4 chargers and 8 5Ah batteries and had almost constant uptime. It's never an easy choice when you pick tools. Do you spend £400 on 8x 5Ah or £1000 on 5x 12Ah. Either way your still going to be waiting for the batteries to cool and the chargers to finish in a constant run application. Would Flexvolt be a better option? probably not in my situation. The higher drain would mean even more batteries and chargers on the go and there's a limit to what you can make a company spend to get a job done.
I can put one of those diamond Wood restoration Wheels that have diamond flaps on there that you can get at Lowe's for about $60 and it will literally take every bit of paint off of Old Wood and seconds and leave the wood with just swirl marks like a orbital sander and it has enough grab to it that my Milwaukee M18 fuel cordless grinder will pull me around while I'm holding on to it and I can get about two good hours out of it with my 12ah battery so if you're talking about using a cutting wheel or grinding wheel you're talking about a substantially longer runtime because that wheel that I'm talking about puts a massive amount of stress and strain on that grinder because it basically like a flap disc except it's only got six little flaps on it and they're in about a 45° angle and they remain flat against the piece of wood so you're literally fighting the grinder the entire time I'm not the biggest or strongest of guys I do consider myself fairly capable at 37 years old but that thing just pulls me all along walls when redoing houses and paint restoration on old wooden siding or decks with it. If you're getting that kind of run time out of that grinder you need to swap grinders. Any Milwaukee M18 fuel tool gets a significant and substantially longer run time as well as the battery running cooler and it gets more power on top of that if you use any of the M18 high output batteries the bigger the amp hours are on the batteries the bigger the boost and run time. Dewalt's new what I call the flat stack batteries they are coming out with are pretty much their answer to Milwaukee's high output batteries except that they just did it in a smaller package because all the high output batteries from Milwaukee are actually bigger because of the bigger cells in them. Here's an example in real world terms the m18 high output 3ah battery well actually get you longer run time and more power than their standard XC 5ah battery in about half its size it's a little bit wider and longer but it's a lot thinner and a lot more lightweight but it will significantly outperform that 5.0 it's perfect for impacts and drills. And the M18 fuel oscillating tool, fuel jigsaws, trim router, etc. A good real world example is when I did metal stud framing in a warehouse doing panelization for hotel walls that we would build on a table and then load up on a truck to send to the job site where they would stand them up. They were at any given time four or five framers on two tables combined and each of us put anywhere from $750 to 1200 00 5/8 number 3 Roberts panhead self tapping screws in between 18ga-12ga cold rolled steel every single day. I could get about 20% more screws on a 3.0 high output than with that standard 5.0. I think a lot of it also had to do with the amount of weight that tool has because you weren't as quickly fatigued by the weight of the tool even though it's not much at all even with the 5.0 doing it for 8, 10, 12, even 14-hour days sometimes it adds up especially when they had us work 7 days a week from November 11th through January 6th with only Thanksgiving and Christmas off at 14 hours a day. Those high output batteries were like God sends. That was my first and only foray into metal studs. Any other time I'm basically a commercial and residential Carpenter/painter with a focus mostly on remodels, restorations and sometimes new construction trim carpentry being my specialty. The fact that they are finally coming out with dual battery powered tools is insane to me considering how much power and run time you get on single battery powered tools already. Their new M18 cordless modular shop vacs that they just announced recently are just insane to me I hope that they even released a dual battery powered 10-in table saw because the one that I have now is 8 and 1/4 that runs on One battery is outstanding. But I do wish it was a 10 inch not a 8¼ in blade. Long story short though the new batteries that they have out nowadays are leagues above anything that you might be used to if that's what you're getting out of your tools already no offense. I know people around from that are very hesitant to buy into the fuel line for Milwaukee or even get the big batteries because they don't really believe that they are that much different and I'm always game to show them a demonstration of how much better they are literally infinitely in every way. Even though flex is coming out with tools and dewalts got their new battery line and even though hilty has their new cordless line coming out I still think that Milwaukee is leading the pack with cordless tools right now. I'm sure they'll be overtaken here soon within a year or two they usually tend to swap titles with other companies every once awhile. But being 37 years old and doing this for so long that I can say My First Tool combo kit was the seven tool Milwaukee ni-cad set back in 2005 back when believe it or not even Lowe's Home improvement actually sold Milwaukee tools. It is super exciting to be alive in this time and age and I'm at right now to get the experience and witness all these advancements and cordless technologies I am a massive Milwaukee Fanboy and a fishinotto of all tools mostly red but still I'm a lover of niche tools that you certainly need but when you do you have it and it excels at that one specific job so well it's just like I can't believe nobody else has done this yet. Sorry for the extraordinarily long comment but that's my two cents anyways well I guess it would be like $0.10 for that kind of length LOL.
@@garycarpenter2932 Once you get past the 18V and 20V cordless systems into the 36-60V (and even 120V) battery systems that are becoming far more common, the batteries are starting to be able to put out as much or even more power than you can get out of a 15A 120V AC circuit. ProjectFarm is testing some of the cheapest versions of the contractor grade tools available for each brand. In the brand of tools that I use (I hate the battery lock in that all of the tool manufacturers are doing) there are at least three different 4.5" angle grinders available that are currently being manufactured and he tested the cheapest one (and paid more for it than the current amazon price of even the next grade up).
I know that a corded tool is going to outperform cordless tools, but it would be interesting to see if a $30 corded Porter-Cable outperforms the more expensive cordless options (which I assume it would by a huge margin).
For my hobby metal work, I have 3 of the cheap plug-in Harbor Freight angle grinders. Always having the right blade, brush, and flap wheel ready is awesome. I also bought a battery powered Ryobi for convenience. I have Ryobi tools from 2002 (before lithium batteries were in tools) that still perform. I love that unchanging battery design. The new lithium batteries work with my old tools. Best investment I could have made!
@Bruno Bronosky Agreed, I still have some of the 'Blue' Ryobi tools That are well over 20 years old and they still work well. I have of course updated to the new batteries but they still work with the old tools. I hated the craftsman because they just kept on changing battery platforms. Who can afford that crap?
@@johnme7049 when (For Christmas 2002) I got the blue 4 inch circular saw and the 8 inch miter saw, I thought they were junk that would last a week. This week I used them to build my daughter a treehouse.
Nothing beats having multiple HF plug-in grinders all set up with the exact wheels one needs vs. changing wheels out during a project. I bought a plug-in DeWalt, but after a while added in two more HF plug-ins to reduce the workload and time. What a difference!
@@RichardBronosky I got the circ saw, a detail sander, drill driver, and light in a kit then added the reciprocating saw later, (All blue), they have been great. About 2 years ago I found the green angle grinder. Yeah it's not exactly heavy duty, (Shocker I know), But I didn't expect it to be for the $50 bucks I paid for it. I have used it mainly for cutting lighter stuff and it's worked good. Take your time, if I'm in a hurry I use my industrial electric one.
The Makita knockoff did surprisingly well for what it’s worth. Seems like it would be good for smaller/ lighter jobs. I’m already invested into the makita lineup so experimenting with more knock off’s of other makita tools doesn’t seem like a terrible idea lol
@@dazz318 yea they need more grease in the gears but they are great grinders. i've got 2 of them alongside my real makita. great for wire brushes and flap discs
I'm already invested in the Milwaukee line up. Got their drill, and 2 different impacts, with 3 batteries. Yeah they are expensive but they are probably the most durable, reliable and you just can't beat their power in most tools
Even though I started out in Ryobi, I always had an eye for Milwaukee. I work in Tile (demo and installation) and Drywall (demo and installation). A lil of cabinets and framing. I still don’t win a lot yet (still a noob here) but I’m already planning to get the M Fuel tools. So excited!
Todd convinced me to start buying Milwaukee. It's a rare event where Milwaukee doesn't win these contests. I still have my original porter cable tools, but I'm all Milwaukee now.
Great tests as always with one exception. The results from the Milwaukee are not apples to apples since it has a larger motor (13a equivalent vs 11a eq for their 4-1/2" models) to maintain cutting speed on the larger 6" discs. This power differential is directly reflected in the results.
Yeah, that seems to have been a mistake. All the grinders are 4.5" models except the Milwaukee, which is the 6" model. He must have bought the wrong Milwaukee since it's advertised as a "4.5 / 6 inch", which is confusing at first glance. The Milwaukee grinder that would have been equivalent to all of the rest in the comparison would have been the "4.5 / 5 inch" model. I still think the Milwaukee would have edged out the others (own a 4.5 myself), but probably not by as much.
@@iguanamoat the other manufacturers could step up. Really running the big grinder with the small disc puts it at a disadvantage. At the same RPM a larger diameter has a higher peripheral surface speed. It's just traveling further. A bigger diameter at the same RPM is effectively going faster.
I definitely want to see Round 2 of angle grinder testing. Brands I would suggest are Warrior, Hart, Worx and Flex. I recently purchased the Flex 24V angle grinder after research said it was a great tool. It's on sale right now at Lowe's.
The variable speed of the Makita makes it far more versatile. You can use it to sharpen tools without overheating steel, grind paint off without melting it, perform more delicate work without worrying about kickback. I used to own a Black and Decker variable speed grinder and it was great (until it broke).
At least one of the brands wasn't using the recommended battery. The Ryobi HP grinder is made to go with the HP batteries and utilises the extra contacts on those batteries. It was therefore underpowered compared to it's potential. I actually own the Milwaukee model from this line-up (and love it, it's a beast), so I'm not biased, but I'd like to see a fair test. I'd say the Metabo was probably underpowered too with a 3 A.h battery. Even though in theory amp hours is a specification for storage, not power, in reality the smaller capacity batteries tend to have limitations on power delivery.
First off, ryobis are trash don’t buy them under any circumstances. Second of all, ah like you said is time not power. For the 3 cuts, any 3-5ah power battery will perform the same. No way does a 3ah battery lose enoug juice in 45 seconds of cutting to make a difference
@@juanmoreson9441 The higher AH batteries will also deliver just slightly more power throughout the entire charge. That's why if you have power-hungry tool like a jigsaw or chop saw, you might start stalling the motor on a fresh 2aH battery but not on a fresh 5aH battery. I experience this at my work on a daily basis.
@@SawtoothWild that’s only true once it’s drained 30-50%. At full charge, like I’m sure this person had them, there’s no loss at all. At 100% power all batteries perform the same.
@@juanmoreson9441 LOL I'm literally telling you they don't. They SHOULD, theoretically. But they don't. And I experience this on a daily basis because I'm a carpenter and use Milwaukee M18 tools for work. From fully charged, with new just out of package batteries, the higher AH batteries will deliver more current if testing with the same exact tool.
A little bit disappointing to see the ridgid and ryobi not using the HP/Octane batteries. These tools do have the extra contacts for more power from the octane/HP contacts, which makes a difference in the torque and overload protection as well. The HP/Octane tools are smart to shut down based on the type of battery so the tool doesn’t get damaged.
The ryobi did have the HP battery Edit, I'm wrong it's not an HP battery, but it is a high capacity battery so I guess it's in-between the regular and the HP
I was using my Ridgid grinder on Thursday to remove a actuator on a 4” 3way valve. Easily cutting the actuator off without damaging the body. The smooth action makes it easy to operate
@@TehButterflyEffect Savage Arms makes a smooth ball bearing bolt action. The most popular Remington however constantly jams, no bearings. Needs years of workin
Todd, It would be interesting to see a comparison between rotary tools. I own a Dremel I purchased years and years ago and has never let me down. Thank you for another awesome video.
I've killed some Dremels. Some models have this plastic coupler in them that just rips to shreds. I've blown the motors up in them. But Bosch owns Dremel now so the build quality and design has changed a lot. For little electric rotary tools I use a couple B&D RTX model ones I picked up cheap on close out. I think I paid $10 for one? For real rotary action I'll use a pneumatic die grinder. But there's still a place for those little electric jobbies. I also have a Foredom flexible shaft tool too. They're hardcore.
@@1pcfred I got tired of their low power when used outside of their model airplane lighweight tasks (only 115 watt consumption, less than that actual produced power)... So I made the effort and bought a real, Germany made METABO straight grinder with both 1/4" and 1/8" collets, and 710 watts, one of the few straight grinders with Variable Speed and Constant Torque. After 13 years and a lot of use, it still works as new, a kind of "forever" tool. I still keep my older (and better made Dremel 3950) for those small jobs where the big METABO cannot get close...
@@alfredomarquez9777 I have a number of rotary tools. The small Dremel style ones are limited in power. Nothing electric can compare to pneumatic. I have a made in USA CP860 heavy duty air die grinder. It's peak rotary tool action. Even cheap far eastern air tools can be OK though. For electric collet tools Rotozips are hard to beat. They're made by Bosch now. They even make cordless Rotozip tools that are good for a quick zip. I have one made by B&D I keep around the shop for little stuff. Then I have the ultimate in rotary geekdom, a Foredom flex shaft. You can see one of those in the movie Click when Sandler goes Way Way beyond and meets Christopher Walken. It's hanging over his workbench. It's so quintessential they used it as a movie prop. My Optrel welding hood shows up in a lot of movies too. You have to love when your tools end up on the big screen.
I run a corded DeWalt, so I'm glad the bumblebee didn't let me down here. 😂 I do a lot of sheet metal/auto body projects from home and I ended up switching from air tools to electric for the torque and bite. Great comparison lineup!
DeWalt has the 60v flex volt that is better then the XR, I’ve seen other reviews with man power cutting but with the way you test with consistent down force I’d like to see the difference of the newer grinders with the way you do your testings against other grinders.
Ridgid is my go-to when I need a tool that won't get used a ton, but which absolutely needs to work when I ask it to. I'm all in on Milwaukee for cordless, but I own several corded Ridgid tools that are good solid performers when I need them.
Yes after watching this video and reading your comment I looked for Rigid. Found Rigid grease gun and compact impact wrench on Home Depot Canada with free batteries and chargers. Wrench comes with free 2A and grease gun with free 4A battery kit. Perfect for my occasional Diy use. Thanks
Awesome test rigs! Love the fact you include vibration now. I have damaged my hands in the past by way of tool vibration. It's overlooked by nearly everyone. A 9" cordless grinder comparison would be great! Original Metabo (not hpt), Milwaukee, AEG and Makita have them now. I have a Milwaukee and a Metabo but the difference between the two is huge. Would be good to see them all head to head 👍
Great testing as always! Although I think it would be fair to the brands if you take the tools at the same position in the linup. A 500-600 Watt Bosch against a Milwaukee Fuel isn't fair when Bosch also makes a 1500 watt model.
Glad I went with Rigid years a go. Bought it through Home Depot and got a lifetime warranty on batteries and tool break downs. I've lost 1 battery and have had a trigger switch replaced, all for free and no questions asked. I'll stick with Rigid, they seem to score quite well in all your tool tests.
I'd love to see you test portable bandsaws! A lot of us knife makers and home fabricators use them as our primary bandsaw. Lots of folks claim the Harbor freight Bauer is just as good as the Milwaukee. I'd love to see that claim put to the test!!
The German Made Metabo (Non HPT, which is Hitachi) would've been a real tough competitor. I own the smallest German made Metabo and its incredibly powerful.
Same. Metabo makes arguably the best grinders in the world. I was hoping he included it when I saw "Metabo" in the video title, but alas it was only Metabo HPT :-(
Agree, love the videos in general but came in here to say I was super disappointed to not see the legit German Metabo grinder included, as they are often thought of as the best.
Thanks again for another great video, but you have missed something on this one I'm afraid. All cordless Li-Ion batteries are NOT created equal, and you have to be very careful when comparing different tool combinations as well as selecting which batteries most suit each tool. All big name brands now have higher power batteries with better tool-battery communications, as well as sometimes using newer cells such as the 21700. HD from Mil, XR from DeWalt, Octane from Rigid etc. I have the previous Ryobi brushless HP model to the one you tested. When I got it I only had the vanilla batteries the same as the one you used in this test (non-HP) and it was almost useless. Would stall and cut out at the slightest provocation. Did my research and got proper HP batteries and it transformed the tool. Something to be aware of next time you test cordless stuff. Keep up the good work!
Same thing with the Bosch, there are two batterie types the norman an the procore(wich he used) but still, the 8ah/12ah batteries deliver a bigger current than the 4ah(wich i think he used)
I have Ryobi and yes, Many HP tools will have a noticeably higher RPM when switching to an HP battery. This is easily indicated just by the sound/pitch when you pull the trigger. I have the HP angle grinder, and using an older battery is VERY DIFFERENT. How different? I would love to see that charted out as well. **But you can really hear the unloaded difference and feel the speed keep up under load.** Same with my stick vac, shop vacs, circular saw, and their newer drills, when the HP tool has an HP battery it instantly sounds faster (even when comparing the "3ah HP" to the "9ah HP". The 9ah HP is even faster), and if they start to get "bogged down", they actually "ramp up" and get more powerful; I noticed it most when using the newer little "HP" compact impact driver with the 9ah HP impressively sending a 6-inch timber screw home like it had a tiny gas engine or something ;-). It's no Milwaukee... but it costs significantly less to build out a set of decent tools. Project Farm could probably do a large series on each big company. For example: Ryobi has a dozen impact drivers you could buy, and there are a dozen different batteries you could put in them. That's 144 combinations for just their impact drivers. Never mind the other 300 tools that use the 18V system.
Very good point. Bigger batteries/cells do wonders for certain tools’ performance. Quick correction: the Milwaukee High Output batteries are the ones with the 21700 cells. HD are just the higher amp hour batteries.
I'm always rooting for Ridgid in these videos 😁 first impact/drill set I bought was ridgid, because it was affordable, and decided to stick with it ever since. I work in demolition and my coworkers are always impressed with my battery powered sawzall with my 9ah battery
Me too. Once you have enough batteries and tools you're almost stuck with a brand. I originally picked Ridgid for the lifetime warrantee on everything including the batteries. No other brand has that. My tools get put to hard use, and I've used that warrantee more than once. I'm very happy with my $1k+ of tools, but I'm always rooting for Ridgid in these videos. :)
@@DukeFerris For DIY folks that likely won't wear out a single battery this is very true. I have mostly Ryobi tools because I have accumulated a ton of Ryobi batteries over the last decade. But I do have a few Dewalt batteries for some specialty stuff that Ryobi doesn't do well, like trim routers. So looking at this I would probably get the Dewalt if I needed an angle grinder, because it appears to perform well enough. Although with the battery adapters you can convert some tools to other batteries. Though you that should be done very carefully. Like you don't want to use Dewalt batteries on Ryobi products because for Ryobi the battery protection is built into the battery, while for Dewalt it is built into the tool
Really impressed with Milwaukee these last few years. They are turning up the competition for sure, not just in the quality of the tool, but the variety. I really hope Dewalt and Makita answer with much needed improvements. I'm on team teal and never been disappointed, I plan on sticking with the LXT line for the foreseeable future, I just wish they would throw some love to the batteries on LXT, put out much larger capacities. Larger capacities would negate the need for 40v max... and improve capabilities of almost all LXT high draw tools. Milwaukee does wonders with 18v, makita can too. Even if batteries don't fit on every tool in the LXT line up, it would be nice to have the option of a 12ah battery. Dewalt seems to also be turning up competition, but makita seems stagnant. here's hoping to a busy year for all tool makers edit: I have been disappointed once, with the right angle makita impact driver, nearly useless even for trim screws.
I'm also on team teal (LXT line). I feel that Makita makes a huge range of great tools. Not all are the best in every test, but their almost all at the top. I have the right angle impact and it works ok for my needs. The brushed oscillating tool and small recip saw are ones I've been less than impressed with so far.
Milwaukee has been at the top of the game for a good amount of time now and they aren’t slowing down. All gas no brakes from them. Their m12 system is the best 12 volt system available and they work miracles with the m18s. Then you got their mx line up. Specific tools for every trade which is outstanding that they can output this much stuff. Imo their packout system is the best no one has mastered it like they have yet. Are there power tools that other brands like lets say dewalt make better than milwaukee? Yes, but not many. Other brands have a lot of catching up to do if they want to compete with milwaukee. Been on the red team for a while but i can admit when their stuff is shit. Their non fuel line up is trash if you use your tools daily on jobsites especially commerical and industrial. Like most of their hand tools shit. Bought a pair of linesman from then cause home depot was all out of kleins and they were absolutely horrendous that i ended up returning them the next day and driving 2 hrs to the closest home depot that had the klein linesman in stock.
Great video but as a Bosch user I definitely would've liked to see the newer brushless model of the Bosch used in the test. I've had the old one and it was decent but the newer style that have been out for a couple of years are brushless, much more powerful and ergonomic. Great testing methods though 👍
Except for my drill/impact set (which are Milwaukee Fuel) I've been replacing all my old cordless tools with the Flexvolt 60v tools line, been happy so far. Love all the reviews, the test builds/equipment are always interesting. I have always hated it when a tool broke or failed while I was in the middle of a job, so I always bought the most expansive tool brand that I could afford.
Perfect records and video. Really helped. Dad's out of town and want to surprise him because his old angle grinder that's about 30 years old and had broke recently and couldn't be repaired had to be thrown away. So I'm surprising him
I'M glad that you included Craftsman! I think that they have been improving their product line greatly! I think that they are a good value. I hope that you include them in future cordless tool reviews. I really like your review's.Much more controlled and scientific!
Would be interesting to see the difference with the best available batteries for each tool. The HP batteries make a big difference on some of the ryobi tools.
Came here to say this. That looks like one of the older P108 batteries. There'd likely be quite a performance bump with one of the HP batteries, especially the P195.
There’s a massive difference. The rankings would be swayed. Also in case of the ridgid and DeWalt. He tested about to be discontinued models. DeWalt for the 4.5 in angle grinder, the newer and much more powerful power detect and FlexVolt advantages are out. Which would of performed very similar to the 6 in Milwaukee. DeWalt also makes cordless 6 in angle grinders. These are the same price as that Milwaukee and are much much more powerful then said Milwaukee. But it uses the 54v FlexVolt batteries. To give you an idea it’s about 3 to 4 times more powerful then the vintage DeWalt he tested there. Ridgid discontinued the octane line and got replaced with the Max output line. So expect A new angle grinder to reflect this change
Good review! My only disappointment - for purely selfish reasons - is that I wish you'd included the 60V DeWalt grinder that I've been thinking of picking up. (Largely because I'm already bought in to their battery system and already purchased their 60V chainsaw after you reviewed it favorably.) I wonder if there are enough "high end" cordless grinders for a video that could review the 60V DeWalt and any other higher-voltage ones?
Fact of the matter is most brands use only 18v so I'd say it's perfectly fair for it to be included as long as each brand has their best included especially since milwaukee had their best in here
Yeah, this comparison is useless for me as well, because I am invested in 60&20V Dewalt and I would not even think to buy a 20v version 🙄. Well maybe next time
Great comparison! My only disappointment was that Milwaukee had a slightly larger / more powerful grinder. You should have had the 4-1/2 / 5" 2880-20. It would have been a closer comparison and not as costly.
Agreed, it’s better to have same level tools to do the side by side comparison, I mean top line vs top line or lower vs lower. Because even the same brand, they make different quality level tools
@@MrRussianCosmonaut Or ones that run off of line voltage. If you don't need the portability (which can always be handy at times, but it depends on what you do), AC line powered are almost always better.
Thanks! The higher vibration is more than offset by the faster cut times of the top 3 grinders. I like cordless better for cut off wheels but for actual grinding they can’t come close to a corded grinder.
Yes, I agree. I don't use a grinder often enough to need more than one, so I rely on my cheap angle grinder bought at Autozone to finish a rush repair. It works.
I've been going all-in on the Milwaukee battery-powered tools since watching these videos. Super happy with them so far. I'm guessing the bean counters will get to them eventually. Their hand tools are soso.
I have watched many of PF power tool tests, and Milwaukee generally places in the top 3. But I am biased and have invested in their tool line and batteries.
I'd agree with that part about hand tools. I'm an apprentice electrician and I can say that all of our guys love Milwaukee for power tools and Klein for hand tools. Those two brands are almost exclusively used on our site with a couple outliers
Awesome test! Maybe add portable band saws, circular saws and cut off saws to the list that would be cool to see. Along with battery (mx fuel for example) compared to gas
Great video, really liked it! We use the milwaukee grinder at work, and it eats through batteries almost as fast as it does through steel 😁. I do have to point out, though, that the milwaukee you tested was a 6" grinder, which as a whole are more powerful than the 4 1/2" grinders you tested from the rest of the brands. A more equal comparison would've been model 2889-20. But thanks for the great comparison anyways!
Does that make a difference? I finally bought a 5 tool HP pack with 2 HP batteries but a lot of the HP tool combo kits come with regular batteries. I was looking hard at Rigid but I have several older ryobi tools including some lawn care stuff. I was disappointed ryobi did so poorly in the test.
@@12345diehappy I would imagine it makes a difference, considering this is a high performance test that relies a lot on the battery's ability. HP batteries have additional terminals that communicate with the tool to maximize output, or so Ryobi claims... The only advantage in the HP line compared to their standard One+ series is (supposedly) the battery.
I was thinking about the Dewalt but when it came to the vibration test that was a dealbreaker for me. I’m going to look into that Ridgid. Thanks, the video was excellent!
I know that all of these grinders were in the 18-20v range, but I wish that the DeWalt flexvolt 4-1/2-6" grinder had been included. That version has WAY more power than the XR grinder. Otherwise, great review as usual.
I've been waiting for this video before buying a cordless grinder. Since I already own the Kobalt line, I was hoping to see the kobalt grinder. The craftsman seems to be built like the Dewalt. As always, thanks for another no hold back video.
Same I’m already invested in Kobalt. I always just assume it does better than Bosch since my Kobalt set always bests my co workers Bosch set when they can’t get through something.
Because of all tests presented by Project Farm for grinder, circular saw, impact wrench, driller, sander and so on, I personally decided to go and buy all I need from Milwaukee.
The Ryobi angle grinder is kind of picky about batteries and really needs a "HP" or "High Performance" pack or it really struggles. The P192 or PBP004 4AH batteries perform much better in my experience. For peak performance in Ryobi tools the P194 9AH and the P195 3AH are the real standouts.
Yep using the older first generation lithium Ryobi batteries (used in this test)in the newest generation tools does not work out very well. The battery he tested with I don't think is even sold at home Depot any longer.
I feel like that is almost part and parcel of being a laborer as well. Sometimes you just buy the tool to replace what broke on the job. Some guys aren't going to buy a stack of new HP+ batteries to go with the HP tools. Just recently Ryobi did the "Ryobi Days" at Home Despot, and they were offering free tool with 2 pack of 4ah batteries. None of which was the HP line(obviously they were clearing stock to make way for HP line.) But they're still winding up with more mismatched product out there(in households and toolboxes) than matching. None of this is the say I would recommend Ryobi for construction/laborer standpoint. But when you can buy two for way cheaper than one expensive, you can afford to forget one on the job when it's 5.
@TheCheesePlease Which is to say, I think they use the worst parts in the Ryobi Tools, because the same company that builds Ryobi also make Rigid and Milwaukee Tools.
I’d like to see an overall review of these tool sets (Milwaukee, Dewalt, Makita, rigid, etc..) I think some do better with different tools but I’d say most people want to stick to one brand so that batteries are compatible with all tools.
The next step here is to send all of those to AvE for internal diagnosis. We would love to know how well the cheaper versions are built compared to the top dollar stuff. I have been using the 18V Makita platform for over 16 years now, with no complaints other than battery cost.
Nothing tops the high end metabo pro / saftey stuff. real mechanical brakes, anti vibration handle AND the flange is a unique design that has self balancing internally to further reduce vibration. They also use a bunch more copper in their motors. set you back around 4 bills though. all day use type of tool.
AvE has gotten tired of doing good videos...I think because of the time commitment. He hasn't done much in the way of good tool videos in quite some time. Besides, Project Farm's videos do tell us, at least me, plenty of information on which I can base a decision to buy or not. The best advice AvE ever gave was to go to a rental shop and see what brand tool they rent as their tools have to last a long time through a lot of abuse. Still, it would be a plus to know what type of plastic (if it includes glass fibre and how much, etc.) is contained and how well it's put together.
I really liked the vibration test. I have trigger finger. Eventually had to get surgery to unlock a couple fingers. The less vibration the better for me. Thank you for doing that test.
I would love to see a UK version of this. With some of the tools you highlight for being great value, they're basically never available in the UK and cross-referencing to see if any retailers sell the same tool with different branding is tricky. Either way, love the content as always, thank you for your continued efforts.
@@S0ulinth3machin3 Eh? Makita have a factory in the UK making cordless and mains tools including drill/drivers, angle grinders, jigsaws, plunge saws, belt sanders and circular saws. Their website says it " builds around 1.1 million tools per year. 70% of these tools are exported with 60% going to Europe and 10% going to the rest of the world, 30% stay in the UK."
I love these videos, but Ryobi should really be a contender in many of them. I beat the crap out of mine and I'm constantly surprised at the quality they provide for the price.
@@alfredomarquez9777 exactly. their pro / saftey line is bar-none the best grinders in the game. it's like comparing commercial hilti to the homedepot brands. not even close.
Here’s the list of products reviewed. More details in the video description. Thank you!
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Milwaukee: Available at Home Depot
Let's be honest. A lot of us watching these just in hopes that the tools we own don't actually suck. Love the content!
True. I bought a Milwaukee grinder recently (although not this model) so happy to see them come out on top!
I was actually just telling my wife this lmao
A lot of these videos I watch just to see what sort of test apparatus he builds.
lol. Great point! I've discovered that some of the tools I've purchased in the past aren't too impressive.
@@ProjectFarm Thanks to you, I have a few losers. Thanks for what you do for us.
One thing I'd like to see is the cheapest and most expensive tools within the brands too. Like DeWalt XR and non XR. See where each of them fall in the lineup.
Thank you for the video idea!
definitely some mystery about all the acronyms out there that companies try to upsell you with. Would be particularly interested in seeing a comparison of performance and durability of brushed versus brushless.
They also have a flexvolr grinder, I'm sure that would win for dewalt
Don't buy any knock off product. It's all stolen technology by a CCP company and you're only encouraging their illegal behavior because you're being cheap.
@@andysanchez5457 yes he should’ve tested the flex volt grinder it would’ve won
I know what it takes to make a video like this, and I want to bring attention to how concise your edits are. No extra fluff or nonsense, right to the info, right to the point. Great video, very scientific and compelling. Thank you for all your efforts, they do make a difference.
Thanks and you are welcome!
totally agree ,lots of time to produce these tests and money too!
Absolutely! Always love the honesty and contents.
I bought 3 dewalt grinders, and 3 metabo grinders for my welding business in 1997
Burned up 2 dewalts in less than a month. Returned all of the dewalts.
The metabos are still going strong only getting new cords occasionally and new brushes about once a year.
Love my metabos.
Thank you!
dewalt at the end is just a black and decker
My favorite part of farm is the inventive fixtures he makes. It's amazing how much work he does behind the scenes to take the human factor out. Thank you. I'd actually be interested in a video going over your favorite test equipment and how you made it.
Thanks and you are welcome!
@@ProjectFarm wow you replied! Very impressive
@@1989Chrisc Todd is very attentive to comments on his videos. Almost as when he does testing....and indeed, very impressive.
@@1989Chrisc lol nice
Sad, thought you will use real metabo hd made in germany. off course price is about 400 dollars....
I just want to say, vibration is such an underrated consideration with tools and I’m glad you include it. High vibration tools can wreck your forearms and elbows and spending a bit more to avoid that can save you a ton of money and pain in terms of PT. Source: in PT for elbow issues caused by a demo project last year.
I agree. Vibration fatigue is not good.
I feel you. Had CPT in both my wrists for awhile from an on-the-job injury. Ibuprofen and wearing wrist-braces nightly made it go away after a year.
heh put you on the 90# jackhammer and see how you do. Those things are all about get wrecked. I used to work for a contractor that had a hospital grade jackhammer though. It was nice. Yeah hospital grade jackhammers are a thing. If you work at a hospital they insist that you use one.
@@jake9705 I had both my wrists operated on due to CPS. It wasn’t nice.
I experienced this with the 60V DeWalt reciprocating saw. A vibration monster! I sold it and got the M18, no comparison, M18 is way superior.
I've watched every video on this channel for the last 4 years. I'm not even sure why. Most of the things reviewed are not things I intend to buy, but for some reason it's kinda relaxing and fun to watch PF methodically test a bunch of stuff. Thanks for the great videos!
You are welcome! Thanks for watching!
>watched every video
>not even sure why
I'm pretty sure that's all of us brother 😂
Every time I watch Project Farm I'm blown away by the test setup's that are prepared. This channel is second to NONE!!!
Thank you!
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@@ProjectFarmsuicide not allowed
I love that you added in the vibration testing. It's an often overlooked fatigue and joint stress factor that greatly factors into the overall workability of a tool.
Thanks!
@Milwaukee Mac Repair grease it up but I wouldn't be surprised if it was just the brake engaging
Testify!
I could tell when he introduced the tools in the beginning of the video how smooth sounding the motor and gear box were on the Rigid. That's one area DeWalt could really step up their game on.
But it was also a little bit unfair. E. g. for the Bosch an anti vibration handle is available, too. This would of course raise the price but if I want less vibrations, I could reduce it.
And it also depends on the disc you are using, there are also low vibration discs out there.
This man right here puts an insane amount of work in his videos and testing. Amazing.
Thanks for watching!
Surely, I don't see how, he can make the content he does if not!
It's called meth 😂
Todd, you deserve so much credit for the editing and narration of these videos. It's like someone challenged you to make a video that only showed what absolutely mattered and nothing more. You cram so much valuable insight and entertainment into your videos and most of us don't even realise because we're glued to the screen. You should be giving lectures to Corporations on 'How to present what actually matters'. Kudos mate!
Thanks so much!
I LOVE your testing techniques on this one. Great job as always.
Thanks!
Buy Milwaukee and you'll never be disappointed!
I watch a lot of different RUclips channels, and this channel is by far the most comprehensive, most thorough, most unbiased and most informative I've seen. Todd really puts a lot of time and work into his content and doesn't cut corners.
Nothing but respect for this man and his work.
Agreed.!
I would second this!
Thanks so much!
He's the best! No potty mouth, no extraneous commentary to show how smart he is or blathering on just to hear his own voice. (Like some channels I won't mention).
@@Bob_AdkinsAllah is one God God is Allah Allah has 99 names Allah is almighty
Every time you upload a new video, I wonder what cool testing jig I'm going to see. :-) Great job as always!
Thanks!
@@ProjectFarm Would you make a video about your purchases both good and bad? I mean quality or value/money. Thanks for another great review!
Idea: Use the laser RPM meter to measure RPM under load when cutting, it would be interesting to see how close some of these grinders came to stalling
Thanks for the suggestion.
As a tile guy this comparison is extremely applicable to my life. Thanks as always my friend :) I currently use a Milwaukee for all of my tile needs. And have had the same grinder for 5 years now still runs great!
That's got to be some kind of longevity record! Brushless? 🤔
I haven't upgraded the M18 sawzall to the brushless, it's 7ish years old, battered and ugly, but still works. I thought it needed replaced 2 years ago, got new batteries, runs like a champ. The one hander does look convenient....next Christmas sale. Lol
I do roofing and have gone through 6 of the 2780 models. Using these to cut clay and concrete tiles They dont do well with the dust. Same failure everytime . Back back bearing at rotor from dust ingress . First time i tried to warranty milwaukee refused saying tool was abused. Lol. By the 3rd or 4th failure i figured out how to replace the bearings myself. Had to make special tools but got it worked out.
I detailed a review on Milwaukee website and they reached out to me inquiring about the failures. They ended up sending me a care package full of goodies. They have since discontinued that model.
Glad you have had better luck but my grinders get used hard
@@ricksanchez3176 you got to the one handed one you won’t ever want to use any other
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
I'm heavily invested in DeWalt battery platform, so I was going to get a DeWalt anyway. I tried the 60v (flexvolt) battery in it, and all I can say is wheeee! Big difference! We need to lobby for a universal battery configuration so we can try different tool brands!
The actual flexvolt grinder is an absolute beast and I recommend the new power stack batteries they are awesome big power output in a smaller battery
There is a cross platform battery system call CAS (Cordless Alliance System). It uses real Metabo (not HPT) batteries.
Leave it to EU...
Yeah should have had the flex volt grinder in this compassion.
That is a good point, battery is often the difference. I have various OEM and knockoff batteries for RYOBI. Some of the knockoffs are useless for anything but light work, some are OK, none are as good as the OEM.
Perfect timing. Been thinking about a grinder and wasn't sure if I wanted to extend my current Ridgid platform with their option. Ridgid, at least in this tool choice, looks like a solid buy. I really enjoy your testing setups, to the point but not overly complicated. Thank you!
Rigid I believe are known as AEG here in Australia and from personal experience are the best power tools for the money that I have used
Get a 5" corded makita. Industry standard, can't go wrong with the best grinder on the market and $150 isn't too bad
I’ve had the ridgid for a few months now, and it has actually exceeded my expectations. Been really happy with it
Thanks and you are welcome! Glad to hear!
I was actually just commenting about this too! Ridgid I feel that their performance to price point value is very high! I never owned one, but all the tests I've seen Project Farm do with them, they always perform very well, and never costing the price of a kidney to purchase. If I didn't have my Milwaukee setup currently, I'd definitely have gotten myself into the Ridgid game. Something about DeWalt I don't want their tool lines. I like their tool bits, and stuff, just not power tools.
We've been using one of the Milwaukee grinders for a couple of years on a fabrication project, and it has been very impressive. Just ordered a second grinder so we won't have to change disks between grinding and cutting.
Thanks for sharing!
Your videos never fail to impress me. You’re my “go-to” whenever I’m in the market for a new or replacement tool, etc.
Thanks so much for these in-depth practical reviews! They outshine the spec/marketing only reviews by a long shot!
You are welcome!
This is the very channel that introduced this British bloke to rather excellent Irwin tools!
Well usually he is great, but he botched this test, since he mix 115mm grinders with 125mm.
@@ProjectFarmtattoo not allowed
Needed a new one for fixing rust on one of my cars, so this was perfectly timed! Thanks again!
Nice! Glad to help!
You should consider the M12 right angle die grinder for that task. Or the Ryobi if you're in that line/if you want one for less.
Makita stopping in less than 1 second is definitely a great safety feature and time saver. Surprised more don't have brakes like that. Also surprising how well a knockoff Makita did here!
Thanks for the feedback.
Makita is best
@@peeayetee2945 on price point Makita represents poor value.
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Thanks for the video! I enjoyed reading people's comments and vibration issues! I'm sold on Milwaukee's power and vibration control!
Thanks Todd!
You are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.
I keep saying the same thing, WOW! I was in research testing for many years and I must say I really approve of the methods of test that are performed here. Great channel for tool and product testing. Thank you sir for sharing all this valuable info as it answers all your questions concerning tool and products.
You are welcome!
Thanks so much for including the Rigid tools in the lineup!! I am invested in them for their lifetime service agreement, and while I know they're usually not the best, it's great seeing how they stack up next to the big names.
You're the best, and I'm excited every week for your new video!
Thanks and you are welcome!
With all the stress of the world, your videos help me forget them for a bit. Thank you.
Awesome and thank you! Glad to be a source of positivity!!
RUclips had better be paying this man very very well! The amount of work and time he puts into his videos is incredible! And the amount of value that he gives his viewers is also equally incredible! Pay this man!!!
I dont think some of you that think everyone should have millions for the slightest thing knows how economics works
That was an amazing comparison you've made!
I'll add my personal experiences if I may. I'm a Y12 student and at my high school in the metal work rooms they've standardized Makita and have these girders. I've used them for hours on end and perform very well provided you give them 3amp or high batteries. They are also tough as they are used by the most unskilled and most mechanical sympathy lacking students, they are dropped, have wheels explode, left out in the sun (40 degrees plus here in Australia) and left in the rain. They are used five hours a day 5 days a week for 40 weeks a year and they keep running. Love the quality so much I purchased one my self (the brushed version though)
one other thing i noticed was the nock off Makita grinder didn't have the low battery detector and so if you're using this tool you must monitor the battery life and not run it dead or you will kill the battery permanently.
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
Actually just happened to have purchased this 2981 milwaukee 2 weeks ago... Was able to put it to work on a small project, was very impressed with the ease of cutting T-lock tracks for my trailer. Good to see this test justifies spending over $200...
Glad it is working well for you!
That's the thing with buying Milwaukee, it is almost always worth the money - which is totally proven on this channel.
If they aren't the best performing tool in the category, they are always very close.
I just bought the 2880-20 one week ago lol. You never know when project farm is gonna release these videos
@@entity6966 judging by this testing on the other model, you made a good choice 👍🏻 enjoy!
I agree the Milwaukee fuel is great grinder but it can’t touch the dewalt flexvolt I’ve used most all these grinders and the flexvolt has proven its way many times over as well as much much more comfortable.
@@jamesfair9751 I have heard that a number of times with those too.
would be cool to see a “battle of the best” shootout with top models from top (maybe 3) brands in ,say 3 tools, winner takes title as the king of power tools!
More so for bragging rights than anything perhaps, but who wouldn’t want to use the top tool brand, as rated by PF haha
As always well done. I'm a Milwaukee fan regardless of cost and it's nice to see that it performs well. I wish their accessories performed at that level.
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
Great job with the tests. They way they were performed I felt kept them fair, accurate, and repeatable. Thank you
Thanks and you are welcome!
This is one of the reasons why Sunday is my favorite day thank you project farm
Awesome! Glad you're here and thank you very much!
As a welder for the last 10 years, nothing beats the 5" Milwaukee fuel grinder for cordless performance and weight. I've worn out the gears in 4 of them, which is my only gripe, needs more lubrication in the gear drive area.
Don't be scared to take out the 4 screws and put some synthetic jizz in there once they get tired
You're recommending an expensive tool that's failed on you 4 times?
@@sjelliott6660 He's a welder - he probably uses the hell out of the tool, and has seen the others fail earlier. Get your comparisons straight.
I used to work in selective demolition, and it wasn't about which tool would not fail, but which tool took the longest before failure. With reciprocating saws, those were also Milwaukee. Bosh, Rigid, Makita, etc. all failed earlier. Milwaukee was worth the money, even for the eventual failure.
Grinder & paint makes you the welder you ain’t.
No wonder you go through them like a fat kid on cake
@@workingguy-OU812 Who are you? I asked him, expecting a legitimate answer. I didn't ask for your guesses about a person you don't know.
Another great test! I've actually made quite a few of my tool purchases based on these non-biased tests. Always honest results.
I use a lot of Harbor Freight tools as I am small scale and the tool quality is getting better. Would you consider doing a series focusing on the Warrior vs Baur vs Hercules vs a top line brand? Looking forward to more videos!
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
My harbor freight angle grinder has lasted 8 years so far.
@@Sam-xt5gb I will always buy HarborFreights angle grinder. They last forever.
I'll give it to project farm, this guy doesn't mess around! If I need to know my s#%t about a class of tool project farm has got it on lock down. 10 out of 10 for thorough analytics my man. I like the fact that this dude delivers straight facts, not his personal opinion like some other review channels. For straight up cold hard factual analysis he won't be beaten. TOP JOB PROJECT FARM ! ! !
Thanks!
Great video yet again Todd. Thank you for helping us make informed decisions when purchasing tools!
Thank you very much!
Great test as always. The title needs to include “Cordless”. I want to see a corded angle grinder test, including the $15 Harbor Freight “Drillmaster” angle grinder.
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
The drill master is a great little grinder its only 4 amps so you can’t even put 5lbs of pressure. It took almost 15 minutes maybe more to cut a 3ft long piece of 1/4in steel if you let the tool do the work it will last just about forever bought one in 2016 still works great
@@Redline2442 I also bought into those cheap no name grinders, they aren't amazing but I have 3 of them and if one fails, I can plug in the next. Also it's a cheap way to get the convenience of not having to constantly change between different types discs, these grinders are adequate for anything short of cutting (the instructions might even say to not use them for that purpose)
The $15 harbor freight grinder is junk, but the $35 one is pretty decent. It lasted me all through welding school and well into my welding career until it finally burned up while a co-worker was borrowing it. Probably just needed new brushes, but I already had two Bosch grinders and an American-made DeWalt grinder, so I just started keeping the DeWalt in my bag. By far my favorite corded grinder.
If you wish to keep all your extremities leave the 15 dollar one alone. I’ve had not one but two fail the same way and both times I sat there and just stared for a few minutes wondering how I walked away
Yes, this is exactly what I've been waiting for. :D
This goes to show that my man Todd really does listen to comment suggestions.
Keep up the awesome videos, you legend you.
Thank you very much! The comments and video ideas help!!
Urs is the most important channel on youtube. Thank you for everything you do
Thanks and you are welcome!
I just bought an angle grinder 3 days ago. I went with the DeWalt due to it being on sale at HD. Thanks again for the videos and the work you put into them.
Great choice and thank you!
Always consistent quality videos right on time. Keep up the great work.
Thank you!!
Really glad you included the Ridgid grinder, I feel like a lot of people overlook the brand and it’s performed well in each test it’s been in. I have a bunch of the Ridgid Octane tools and I love them, I’ve never had an issue with any of them. Besides, you can’t go wrong with the lifetime warranty they come with.
Yeah, Craftsman and Rigid brands seem to be the best bang for your buck. With many tools
I'm a ridgid AEG user in uk mainly using ridgid imported from America as AEG seem to have pulled out of UK
I use them near 40 hours a week. I'm a commercial electrician so battery tools are my livelihood. Two years ago when my truck got stolen with all my Dewalt tools in it, I had a decision to make. I restarted with Ridgid over Milwaukee because of the price of the tools but I'm so glad I did. They out preform Dewalt consistently now.
Yep, I am a Ridgid user as well. Like their tools and basically got started because of the warranty.
So you get the base tools and batteries and I believe most people go with what batteries they currently own.
Milwaukee tools always do well in the head to head comparisons; however, they are tested using the best batteries they have. Ridgid testing seems to use the older battery tech. I bet using the best battery from Ridgid and Milwaukee they would be almost the same.
This guy is a good as consumer reports and seems like a heck of a nice guy to boot.
For the money Ridgid power tools are very good.
Thank you very much, you have allowed me to professionally advance in my career as a morotcycle thief
I got the Flexvolt DeWalt grinder I was impressed with the interchangeable disc sizes but have I put her through hell and she still outperform the corded tools I’ve used cement cutting straight hours of cement grinding metal cutting and grinding just a beast
Totally agree I’ve used most all these and nothing can touch the dewalt flexvolt. I’m sure you’ve also noticed the flexvolt being a hell of a lot more comfortable as well. My hands and forearms use to ache me so bad every night when I got home from work using those other grinders all day.
Love my Dewalt Flexvolt grinder. Expensive, but with 3 60v batteries I can work all day almost non stop. Doesn't quite outperform corded tools for heavy grinding, but for light and medium tasks its perfect. Definitely my favorite tool I own.
A major suggestion I'd like to make:
Put up a spreadsheet showing the comparative values of the tools tested so far in the video. Like when comparing RPMs, show the previous competitors' results and their claimed performance.
I would love a video on the best rotary tool. I have a ALDI-brand Ferrex and I've seen Workforce and of course Dremel, Milwaukee and Makita. Also how do the different types of Dremel accessories compare to other brands? (ceramic cutter, routing bits, etc)
Thanks so much for your videos! They inform my buying choices every time I go shopping.
One random thing I noticed with genuine Dremel accessories vs cheaper ones, is the little cut off wheels from the cheaper ones absolutely reek. They all break just as easily though.
You are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
@@ProjectFarm If I was a Millionaire, I'd donate you some ACTUAL Pro battery angle grinders where I worked with some.... Hilti & Hitachi cost only about 200-250$ each surprisingly. High-end Eisenblätter wants a bit more than 500$ but some models go beyond 700$. Same as the Original, the Inventor of these Angle grinders FLEX also wants around 500$. Festo, another company I used Festool tools wants still a hefty 400$ AEG is 250$ Panasonic anywhere between 400$ and a whopping 700$, depending on the model. Prices are averages and sometimes converted from Euro. Thanks for your small overview! :)
As funny as it sounds, years back I had some Dremel "production work". Like 200 little mis-manufactured pieces that needed tweaked to be installed. Wore out a Herbert Fraught, and another off brand, 9:30 at night ran to Home Depot and bought a $89 Dremel brand. Was getting 3 per hour with the two cheaper ones, went to 10 per hour with the Dremel. I am sure there are other good ones, but that impressed me.
Their little bat-wing speed locks for cut off wheels work great too. Expensive, but good.
The guy who taught me about concrete basics was a wealth of knowledge and I always used his makita. It never gave me a single hitch. Especially with a diamond blade
Thanks for sharing.
Aside from a few outliers most of those grinders look to be useable. I'd be interested to see a runtime test between them all, because that's all that really matters. A grinder you can't push on so much will still cut, and if the battery lasts 20 minutes v/s 10 minutes on the competition that you can hoof on - then the 20 minute runtime is probably a better pick. I know for myself I can get about 15 minutes out of a 5Ah on a DCG405. I get significantly less out of an older Makita DGA452.
One feature you might want to test on the DCG415 is cutting something that grabs the disc trying to force a kickback. My DCG405 stops dead in those situations.
The big name brands have several different batteries to choose from. So even if a Milwaukee which was clearly the fastest doesnt last as long as a Craftsman if they both use a 3Ah battery, Milwaukee has options up to 12Ah
@@jabroni6199 You gonna take out a second mortgage on the house to buy those tools along with all the batteries that Milwaukee seems to never send with the tool?
@@fouraces9137 If you’re asking me, All but one of my cordless tools are already Milwaukee. how much you’re willing or able to spend is a separate topic. The comment was about run times not value. I’m merely pointing out that run time isn’t such a black and white answer, especially if you compare some of the cheaper tools which may only have one or two battery options to some of the pricier ones that have a half dozen options.
As it relates to buying and 2nd mortgages, unless I need the tool asap, which is pretty much never, I typically buy them around the holidays or Father’s Day when Home Depot has some promos going.
@UClNnKe20_3rGH5uIqjTvFmQ :D If you need to cut something bigger I don't think a 4 1/2 inch battery grinder would be the weapon of choice. Or at least you would get the big drain batteries knowing that you are going to be out in the field for a long time and needing to hoof on it!
Mostly we do fabrication and installation in a factory setting. Although I have chopped at least 2 complete Multivac thermoforming machines into flat scrap with the DCG405. And it did well. The reason to not use mains power in that instance is it was on a working yard with no power on the side that was needed, And no way to run a cable without getting a slap from H&S. I think I ran 4 chargers and 8 5Ah batteries and had almost constant uptime.
It's never an easy choice when you pick tools. Do you spend £400 on 8x 5Ah or £1000 on 5x 12Ah. Either way your still going to be waiting for the batteries to cool and the chargers to finish in a constant run application. Would Flexvolt be a better option? probably not in my situation. The higher drain would mean even more batteries and chargers on the go and there's a limit to what you can make a company spend to get a job done.
I can put one of those diamond Wood restoration Wheels that have diamond flaps on there that you can get at Lowe's for about $60 and it will literally take every bit of paint off of Old Wood and seconds and leave the wood with just swirl marks like a orbital sander and it has enough grab to it that my Milwaukee M18 fuel cordless grinder will pull me around while I'm holding on to it and I can get about two good hours out of it with my 12ah battery so if you're talking about using a cutting wheel or grinding wheel you're talking about a substantially longer runtime because that wheel that I'm talking about puts a massive amount of stress and strain on that grinder because it basically like a flap disc except it's only got six little flaps on it and they're in about a 45° angle and they remain flat against the piece of wood so you're literally fighting the grinder the entire time I'm not the biggest or strongest of guys I do consider myself fairly capable at 37 years old but that thing just pulls me all along walls when redoing houses and paint restoration on old wooden siding or decks with it. If you're getting that kind of run time out of that grinder you need to swap grinders. Any Milwaukee M18 fuel tool gets a significant and substantially longer run time as well as the battery running cooler and it gets more power on top of that if you use any of the M18 high output batteries the bigger the amp hours are on the batteries the bigger the boost and run time. Dewalt's new what I call the flat stack batteries they are coming out with are pretty much their answer to Milwaukee's high output batteries except that they just did it in a smaller package because all the high output batteries from Milwaukee are actually bigger because of the bigger cells in them. Here's an example in real world terms the m18 high output 3ah battery well actually get you longer run time and more power than their standard XC 5ah battery in about half its size it's a little bit wider and longer but it's a lot thinner and a lot more lightweight but it will significantly outperform that 5.0 it's perfect for impacts and drills. And the M18 fuel oscillating tool, fuel jigsaws, trim router, etc. A good real world example is when I did metal stud framing in a warehouse doing panelization for hotel walls that we would build on a table and then load up on a truck to send to the job site where they would stand them up. They were at any given time four or five framers on two tables combined and each of us put anywhere from $750 to 1200 00 5/8 number 3 Roberts panhead self tapping screws in between 18ga-12ga cold rolled steel every single day. I could get about 20% more screws on a 3.0 high output than with that standard 5.0. I think a lot of it also had to do with the amount of weight that tool has because you weren't as quickly fatigued by the weight of the tool even though it's not much at all even with the 5.0 doing it for 8, 10, 12, even 14-hour days sometimes it adds up especially when they had us work 7 days a week from November 11th through January 6th with only Thanksgiving and Christmas off at 14 hours a day. Those high output batteries were like God sends. That was my first and only foray into metal studs. Any other time I'm basically a commercial and residential Carpenter/painter with a focus mostly on remodels, restorations and sometimes new construction trim carpentry being my specialty. The fact that they are finally coming out with dual battery powered tools is insane to me considering how much power and run time you get on single battery powered tools already. Their new M18 cordless modular shop vacs that they just announced recently are just insane to me I hope that they even released a dual battery powered 10-in table saw because the one that I have now is 8 and 1/4 that runs on One battery is outstanding. But I do wish it was a 10 inch not a 8¼ in blade. Long story short though the new batteries that they have out nowadays are leagues above anything that you might be used to if that's what you're getting out of your tools already no offense. I know people around from that are very hesitant to buy into the fuel line for Milwaukee or even get the big batteries because they don't really believe that they are that much different and I'm always game to show them a demonstration of how much better they are literally infinitely in every way. Even though flex is coming out with tools and dewalts got their new battery line and even though hilty has their new cordless line coming out I still think that Milwaukee is leading the pack with cordless tools right now. I'm sure they'll be overtaken here soon within a year or two they usually tend to swap titles with other companies every once awhile. But being 37 years old and doing this for so long that I can say My First Tool combo kit was the seven tool Milwaukee ni-cad set back in 2005 back when believe it or not even Lowe's Home improvement actually sold Milwaukee tools. It is super exciting to be alive in this time and age and I'm at right now to get the experience and witness all these advancements and cordless technologies I am a massive Milwaukee Fanboy and a fishinotto of all tools mostly red but still I'm a lover of niche tools that you certainly need but when you do you have it and it excels at that one specific job so well it's just like I can't believe nobody else has done this yet. Sorry for the extraordinarily long comment but that's my two cents anyways well I guess it would be like $0.10 for that kind of length LOL.
When testing cordless tools, I'd love to see a corded option or two thrown in for comparison purposes.
Most of the corded stuff when I was shopping had more power than battery, that's essentially why I chose corded
no comparison. i have a porter cable angle corded grinder. it can't be stalled. 10,000 rpm.
@@garycarpenter2932 Once you get past the 18V and 20V cordless systems into the 36-60V (and even 120V) battery systems that are becoming far more common, the batteries are starting to be able to put out as much or even more power than you can get out of a 15A 120V AC circuit. ProjectFarm is testing some of the cheapest versions of the contractor grade tools available for each brand. In the brand of tools that I use (I hate the battery lock in that all of the tool manufacturers are doing) there are at least three different 4.5" angle grinders available that are currently being manufactured and he tested the cheapest one (and paid more for it than the current amazon price of even the next grade up).
They are far superior if you pick one with at least 8 amps
I know that a corded tool is going to outperform cordless tools, but it would be interesting to see if a $30 corded Porter-Cable outperforms the more expensive cordless options (which I assume it would by a huge margin).
For my hobby metal work, I have 3 of the cheap plug-in Harbor Freight angle grinders. Always having the right blade, brush, and flap wheel ready is awesome. I also bought a battery powered Ryobi for convenience. I have Ryobi tools from 2002 (before lithium batteries were in tools) that still perform. I love that unchanging battery design. The new lithium batteries work with my old tools. Best investment I could have made!
Thanks for sharing.
@Bruno Bronosky Agreed, I still have some of the 'Blue' Ryobi tools That are well over 20 years old and they still work well. I have of course updated to the new batteries but they still work with the old tools. I hated the craftsman because they just kept on changing battery platforms. Who can afford that crap?
@@johnme7049 when (For Christmas 2002) I got the blue 4 inch circular saw and the 8 inch miter saw, I thought they were junk that would last a week. This week I used them to build my daughter a treehouse.
Nothing beats having multiple HF plug-in grinders all set up with the exact wheels one needs vs. changing wheels out during a project. I bought a plug-in DeWalt, but after a while added in two more HF plug-ins to reduce the workload and time. What a difference!
@@RichardBronosky I got the circ saw, a detail sander, drill driver, and light in a kit then added the reciprocating saw later, (All blue), they have been great. About 2 years ago I found the green angle grinder. Yeah it's not exactly heavy duty, (Shocker I know), But I didn't expect it to be for the $50 bucks I paid for it. I have used it mainly for cutting lighter stuff and it's worked good. Take your time, if I'm in a hurry I use my industrial electric one.
During Covid shutdown when I was on unemployment I have been watching HVAC videos and especially yours. Love it.
Thanks!
The Makita knockoff did surprisingly well for what it’s worth. Seems like it would be good for smaller/ lighter jobs. I’m already invested into the makita lineup so experimenting with more knock off’s of other makita tools doesn’t seem like a terrible idea lol
Thanks for the feedback.
My brother got one he opened it up and added more grease and made more qiet. Used daily for cutting threaded rod and uni strut.
@@dazz318 yea they need more grease in the gears but they are great grinders. i've got 2 of them alongside my real makita. great for wire brushes and flap discs
yep. I would too. The batteries have always been the weak link in cheap cordless tools. weak link removed.
I have one, all decent except the brake doesnt hold the gears when you try to change wheels. Real PINTA that and the only negative.
I'm already invested in the Milwaukee line up. Got their drill, and 2 different impacts, with 3 batteries. Yeah they are expensive but they are probably the most durable, reliable and you just can't beat their power in most tools
Even though I started out in Ryobi, I always had an eye for Milwaukee. I work in Tile (demo and installation) and Drywall (demo and installation). A lil of cabinets and framing. I still don’t win a lot yet (still a noob here) but I’m already planning to get the M Fuel tools. So excited!
Todd convinced me to start buying Milwaukee. It's a rare event where Milwaukee doesn't win these contests. I still have my original porter cable tools, but I'm all Milwaukee now.
Great tests as always with one exception. The results from the Milwaukee are not apples to apples since it has a larger motor (13a equivalent vs 11a eq for their 4-1/2" models) to maintain cutting speed on the larger 6" discs. This power differential is directly reflected in the results.
I was curious what the max rpm was with a disc attached too
Same as the Makita, and that thing ate weiners.
Yeah, that seems to have been a mistake. All the grinders are 4.5" models except the Milwaukee, which is the 6" model. He must have bought the wrong Milwaukee since it's advertised as a "4.5 / 6 inch", which is confusing at first glance. The Milwaukee grinder that would have been equivalent to all of the rest in the comparison would have been the "4.5 / 5 inch" model.
I still think the Milwaukee would have edged out the others (own a 4.5 myself), but probably not by as much.
@@iguanamoat yeah because the equivalent Dewalt griner would be the flexvolt 6in and that would be fighting for first
@@iguanamoat the other manufacturers could step up. Really running the big grinder with the small disc puts it at a disadvantage. At the same RPM a larger diameter has a higher peripheral surface speed. It's just traveling further. A bigger diameter at the same RPM is effectively going faster.
I definitely want to see Round 2 of angle grinder testing. Brands I would suggest are Warrior, Hart, Worx and Flex. I recently purchased the Flex 24V angle grinder after research said it was a great tool. It's on sale right now at Lowe's.
Thanks for the suggestion.
The Metabo HPT line isn’t their top tier gear though
Flex Circular Saws are getting rave reviews out there on some other channels.
You won't need the battery...))
Is the flex worth it thinking about it over the Milwaukee
The variable speed of the Makita makes it far more versatile. You can use it to sharpen tools without overheating steel, grind paint off without melting it, perform more delicate work without worrying about kickback. I used to own a Black and Decker variable speed grinder and it was great (until it broke).
Good point. Plenty of people have different demands and uses for the same tool. Versatility is important.
Thanks for sharing.
Good point. Milwaukee makes a few variable speed fuel grinders, I’d like to see them head to head; both are probably very solid grinders
If you are going to be using a grinder for an extended period of time, nothing beats a corded model.
Great point. Thank you
if you need one where no power is accessible nothing beats a cordless
@@kansasoutdoors5667 Duh
@@kansasoutdoors5667 I'd like to hear you say that underwater.
@@waterloo123100 guy was stating to obvious so i did as well
At least one of the brands wasn't using the recommended battery. The Ryobi HP grinder is made to go with the HP batteries and utilises the extra contacts on those batteries. It was therefore underpowered compared to it's potential. I actually own the Milwaukee model from this line-up (and love it, it's a beast), so I'm not biased, but I'd like to see a fair test. I'd say the Metabo was probably underpowered too with a 3 A.h battery. Even though in theory amp hours is a specification for storage, not power, in reality the smaller capacity batteries tend to have limitations on power delivery.
First off, ryobis are trash don’t buy them under any circumstances. Second of all, ah like you said is time not power. For the 3 cuts, any 3-5ah power battery will perform the same. No way does a 3ah battery lose enoug juice in 45 seconds of cutting to make a difference
@@juanmoreson9441 The higher AH batteries will also deliver just slightly more power throughout the entire charge. That's why if you have power-hungry tool like a jigsaw or chop saw, you might start stalling the motor on a fresh 2aH battery but not on a fresh 5aH battery. I experience this at my work on a daily basis.
@@SawtoothWild that’s only true once it’s drained 30-50%. At full charge, like I’m sure this person had them, there’s no loss at all. At 100% power all batteries perform the same.
@@juanmoreson9441 LOL I'm literally telling you they don't. They SHOULD, theoretically. But they don't. And I experience this on a daily basis because I'm a carpenter and use Milwaukee M18 tools for work. From fully charged, with new just out of package batteries, the higher AH batteries will deliver more current if testing with the same exact tool.
Look up the YT channel "Torque Test Channel" and watch video "Why Battery Size Doesn't Matter on Your Milwaukee Impact (As Much)"
A little bit disappointing to see the ridgid and ryobi not using the HP/Octane batteries. These tools do have the extra contacts for more power from the octane/HP contacts, which makes a difference in the torque and overload protection as well. The HP/Octane tools are smart to shut down based on the type of battery so the tool doesn’t get damaged.
The ryobi did have the HP battery
Edit, I'm wrong it's not an HP battery, but it is a high capacity battery so I guess it's in-between the regular and the HP
I was using my Ridgid grinder on Thursday to remove a actuator on a 4” 3way valve. Easily cutting the actuator off without damaging the body. The smooth action makes it easy to operate
Smooth action? Its not a .308 bolt action rifle.
Thanks for sharing.
@@DarkLinkAD Still smoother than a Savage! 😂
@@TehButterflyEffect Savage Arms makes a smooth ball bearing bolt action. The most popular Remington however constantly jams, no bearings. Needs years of workin
Todd, It would be interesting to see a comparison between rotary tools. I own a Dremel I purchased years and years ago and has never let me down. Thank you for another awesome video.
Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
I've killed some Dremels. Some models have this plastic coupler in them that just rips to shreds. I've blown the motors up in them. But Bosch owns Dremel now so the build quality and design has changed a lot. For little electric rotary tools I use a couple B&D RTX model ones I picked up cheap on close out. I think I paid $10 for one? For real rotary action I'll use a pneumatic die grinder. But there's still a place for those little electric jobbies. I also have a Foredom flexible shaft tool too. They're hardcore.
@@1pcfred I got tired of their low power when used outside of their model airplane lighweight tasks (only 115 watt consumption, less than that actual produced power)... So I made the effort and bought a real, Germany made METABO straight grinder with both 1/4" and 1/8" collets, and 710 watts, one of the few straight grinders with Variable Speed and Constant Torque. After 13 years and a lot of use, it still works as new, a kind of "forever" tool. I still keep my older (and better made Dremel 3950) for those small jobs where the big METABO cannot get close...
@@alfredomarquez9777 I have a number of rotary tools. The small Dremel style ones are limited in power. Nothing electric can compare to pneumatic. I have a made in USA CP860 heavy duty air die grinder. It's peak rotary tool action. Even cheap far eastern air tools can be OK though. For electric collet tools Rotozips are hard to beat. They're made by Bosch now. They even make cordless Rotozip tools that are good for a quick zip. I have one made by B&D I keep around the shop for little stuff. Then I have the ultimate in rotary geekdom, a Foredom flex shaft. You can see one of those in the movie Click when Sandler goes Way Way beyond and meets Christopher Walken. It's hanging over his workbench. It's so quintessential they used it as a movie prop. My Optrel welding hood shows up in a lot of movies too. You have to love when your tools end up on the big screen.
I run a corded DeWalt, so I'm glad the bumblebee didn't let me down here. 😂
I do a lot of sheet metal/auto body projects from home and I ended up switching from air tools to electric for the torque and bite. Great comparison lineup!
Thanks!
DeWalt has the 60v flex volt that is better then the XR, I’ve seen other reviews with man power cutting but with the way you test with consistent down force I’d like to see the difference of the newer grinders with the way you do your testings against other grinders.
Rigid is awesome! Lower price compared to other brands and it works great! Also love that they have a life time warranty.
Ridgid is my go-to when I need a tool that won't get used a ton, but which absolutely needs to work when I ask it to. I'm all in on Milwaukee for cordless, but I own several corded Ridgid tools that are good solid performers when I need them.
Yes after watching this video and reading your comment I looked for Rigid. Found Rigid grease gun and compact impact wrench on Home Depot Canada with free batteries and chargers. Wrench comes with free 2A and grease gun with free 4A battery kit. Perfect for my occasional Diy use. Thanks
Awesome test rigs! Love the fact you include vibration now. I have damaged my hands in the past by way of tool vibration. It's overlooked by nearly everyone. A 9" cordless grinder comparison would be great! Original Metabo (not hpt), Milwaukee, AEG and Makita have them now. I have a Milwaukee and a Metabo but the difference between the two is huge. Would be good to see them all head to head 👍
Thanks! Thanks for the video idea.
Great testing as always! Although I think it would be fair to the brands if you take the tools at the same position in the linup. A 500-600 Watt Bosch against a Milwaukee Fuel isn't fair when Bosch also makes a 1500 watt model.
How much is it, and does Milwaukee offer a 500-600w option? They do. It's about $119.
too true. have both versions of the Bosch and the brushless model makes the smaller model look like a dremel
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
Glad I went with Rigid years a go. Bought it through Home Depot and got a lifetime warranty on batteries and tool break downs. I've lost 1 battery and have had a trigger switch replaced, all for free and no questions asked. I'll stick with Rigid, they seem to score quite well in all your tool tests.
Thanks for sharing.
I'd love to see you test portable bandsaws! A lot of us knife makers and home fabricators use them as our primary bandsaw. Lots of folks claim the Harbor freight Bauer is just as good as the Milwaukee. I'd love to see that claim put to the test!!
Thank you for the video idea!
This is a great suggestion
The German Made Metabo (Non HPT, which is Hitachi) would've been a real tough competitor. I own the smallest German made Metabo and its incredibly powerful.
Same. Metabo makes arguably the best grinders in the world. I was hoping he included it when I saw "Metabo" in the video title, but alas it was only Metabo HPT :-(
Thanks for the feedback.
Agree, love the videos in general but came in here to say I was super disappointed to not see the legit German Metabo grinder included, as they are often thought of as the best.
Thanks again for another great video, but you have missed something on this one I'm afraid. All cordless Li-Ion batteries are NOT created equal, and you have to be very careful when comparing different tool combinations as well as selecting which batteries most suit each tool. All big name brands now have higher power batteries with better tool-battery communications, as well as sometimes using newer cells such as the 21700. HD from Mil, XR from DeWalt, Octane from Rigid etc.
I have the previous Ryobi brushless HP model to the one you tested. When I got it I only had the vanilla batteries the same as the one you used in this test (non-HP) and it was almost useless. Would stall and cut out at the slightest provocation. Did my research and got proper HP batteries and it transformed the tool.
Something to be aware of next time you test cordless stuff. Keep up the good work!
Same thing with the Bosch, there are two batterie types the norman an the procore(wich he used) but still, the 8ah/12ah batteries deliver a bigger current than the 4ah(wich i think he used)
I have Ryobi and yes, Many HP tools will have a noticeably higher RPM when switching to an HP battery. This is easily indicated just by the sound/pitch when you pull the trigger. I have the HP angle grinder, and using an older battery is VERY DIFFERENT. How different? I would love to see that charted out as well. **But you can really hear the unloaded difference and feel the speed keep up under load.**
Same with my stick vac, shop vacs, circular saw, and their newer drills, when the HP tool has an HP battery it instantly sounds faster (even when comparing the "3ah HP" to the "9ah HP". The 9ah HP is even faster), and if they start to get "bogged down", they actually "ramp up" and get more powerful; I noticed it most when using the newer little "HP" compact impact driver with the 9ah HP impressively sending a 6-inch timber screw home like it had a tiny gas engine or something ;-). It's no Milwaukee... but it costs significantly less to build out a set of decent tools.
Project Farm could probably do a large series on each big company. For example: Ryobi has a dozen impact drivers you could buy, and there are a dozen different batteries you could put in them. That's 144 combinations for just their impact drivers. Never mind the other 300 tools that use the 18V system.
Very good point. Bigger batteries/cells do wonders for certain tools’ performance.
Quick correction: the Milwaukee High Output batteries are the ones with the 21700 cells. HD are just the higher amp hour batteries.
I'm always rooting for Ridgid in these videos 😁 first impact/drill set I bought was ridgid, because it was affordable, and decided to stick with it ever since. I work in demolition and my coworkers are always impressed with my battery powered sawzall with my 9ah battery
Thanks for sharing.
Me too. Once you have enough batteries and tools you're almost stuck with a brand. I originally picked Ridgid for the lifetime warrantee on everything including the batteries. No other brand has that. My tools get put to hard use, and I've used that warrantee more than once. I'm very happy with my $1k+ of tools, but I'm always rooting for Ridgid in these videos. :)
I bet it would have beat all the other grinders if the octane battery was used...
@@DukeFerris For DIY folks that likely won't wear out a single battery this is very true. I have mostly Ryobi tools because I have accumulated a ton of Ryobi batteries over the last decade. But I do have a few Dewalt batteries for some specialty stuff that Ryobi doesn't do well, like trim routers. So looking at this I would probably get the Dewalt if I needed an angle grinder, because it appears to perform well enough.
Although with the battery adapters you can convert some tools to other batteries. Though you that should be done very carefully. Like you don't want to use Dewalt batteries on Ryobi products because for Ryobi the battery protection is built into the battery, while for Dewalt it is built into the tool
It did fanfuckingtastic
Really impressed with Milwaukee these last few years. They are turning up the competition for sure, not just in the quality of the tool, but the variety. I really hope Dewalt and Makita answer with much needed improvements.
I'm on team teal and never been disappointed, I plan on sticking with the LXT line for the foreseeable future, I just wish they would throw some love to the batteries on LXT, put out much larger capacities. Larger capacities would negate the need for 40v max... and improve capabilities of almost all LXT high draw tools. Milwaukee does wonders with 18v, makita can too. Even if batteries don't fit on every tool in the LXT line up, it would be nice to have the option of a 12ah battery.
Dewalt seems to also be turning up competition, but makita seems stagnant. here's hoping to a busy year for all tool makers
edit: I have been disappointed once, with the right angle makita impact driver, nearly useless even for trim screws.
I'm also on team teal (LXT line). I feel that Makita makes a huge range of great tools. Not all are the best in every test, but their almost all at the top. I have the right angle impact and it works ok for my needs. The brushed oscillating tool and small recip saw are ones I've been less than impressed with so far.
Thanks for the feedback.
Milwaukee has been at the top of the game for a good amount of time now and they aren’t slowing down. All gas no brakes from them. Their m12 system is the best 12 volt system available and they work miracles with the m18s. Then you got their mx line up. Specific tools for every trade which is outstanding that they can output this much stuff. Imo their packout system is the best no one has mastered it like they have yet. Are there power tools that other brands like lets say dewalt make better than milwaukee? Yes, but not many. Other brands have a lot of catching up to do if they want to compete with milwaukee. Been on the red team for a while but i can admit when their stuff is shit. Their non fuel line up is trash if you use your tools daily on jobsites especially commerical and industrial. Like most of their hand tools shit. Bought a pair of linesman from then cause home depot was all out of kleins and they were absolutely horrendous that i ended up returning them the next day and driving 2 hrs to the closest home depot that had the klein linesman in stock.
Great video but as a Bosch user I definitely would've liked to see the newer brushless model of the Bosch used in the test. I've had the old one and it was decent but the newer style that have been out for a couple of years are brushless, much more powerful and ergonomic. Great testing methods though 👍
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
Except for my drill/impact set (which are Milwaukee Fuel) I've been replacing all my old cordless tools with the Flexvolt 60v tools line, been happy so far. Love all the reviews, the test builds/equipment are always interesting. I have always hated it when a tool broke or failed while I was in the middle of a job, so I always bought the most expansive tool brand that I could afford.
Nice! Thanks for sharing.
Perfect records and video. Really helped. Dad's out of town and want to surprise him because his old angle grinder that's about 30 years old and had broke recently and couldn't be repaired had to be thrown away. So I'm surprising him
I'M glad that you included Craftsman! I think that they have been improving their product line greatly! I think that they are a good value. I hope that you include them in future cordless tool reviews. I really like your review's.Much more controlled and scientific!
Thanks for the suggestion.
Also impressed by the craftsman. The brand was slipping towards the end with sears but seems to be making a nice comeback.
Based on looks, some of the Craftsman V20 cordless tools are pretty much a rebranded DeWalt one with lower specs at a more competitive price.
Yeah includes crapsman but not Kobalt. Kobalt never gets any attention here.
Would be interesting to see the difference with the best available batteries for each tool. The HP batteries make a big difference on some of the ryobi tools.
Would also be interesting to see if there's a knockoff battery that works with the knockoff Makita.
the Makita battery is likely the reason that the knockoff worked as well as it did.
Came here to say this. That looks like one of the older P108 batteries. There'd likely be quite a performance bump with one of the HP batteries, especially the P195.
Check out "torque test channel " they ready done that with the brands
There’s a massive difference. The rankings would be swayed. Also in case of the ridgid and DeWalt. He tested about to be discontinued models.
DeWalt for the 4.5 in angle grinder, the newer and much more powerful power detect and FlexVolt advantages are out. Which would of performed very similar to the 6 in Milwaukee.
DeWalt also makes cordless 6 in angle grinders. These are the same price as that Milwaukee and are much much more powerful then said Milwaukee. But it uses the 54v FlexVolt batteries. To give you an idea it’s about 3 to 4 times more powerful then the vintage DeWalt he tested there.
Ridgid discontinued the octane line and got replaced with the Max output line. So expect
A new angle grinder to reflect this change
Good review! My only disappointment - for purely selfish reasons - is that I wish you'd included the 60V DeWalt grinder that I've been thinking of picking up. (Largely because I'm already bought in to their battery system and already purchased their 60V chainsaw after you reviewed it favorably.) I wonder if there are enough "high end" cordless grinders for a video that could review the 60V DeWalt and any other higher-voltage ones?
Fact of the matter is most brands use only 18v so I'd say it's perfectly fair for it to be included as long as each brand has their best included especially since milwaukee had their best in here
I have the 60v grinder from other reviews I have seen it seems to be the best
Best cordless grinder on the market
Yeah, this comparison is useless for me as well, because I am invested in 60&20V Dewalt and I would not even think to buy a 20v version 🙄. Well maybe next time
I have the 60v and it's a beast. Tons of power.
Such high level reviews of products.
Thanks!
Great comparison! My only disappointment was that Milwaukee had a slightly larger / more powerful grinder. You should have had the 4-1/2 / 5" 2880-20. It would have been a closer comparison and not as costly.
Hm... I don't know dude... makita cost as much as milwaukee and performed worst. I would like to see more powerful dewalt instead.
Agreed, it’s better to have same level tools to do the side by side comparison, I mean top line vs top line or lower vs lower. Because even the same brand, they make different quality level tools
@@赔我小鱼干 exactly. Cause if he wants the top of the line from each company he could do the 60V dewalt and that would crush absolutely everything
Agreed. A noticed this as well and was a little disappointed
@@MrRussianCosmonaut Or ones that run off of line voltage. If you don't need the portability (which can always be handy at times, but it depends on what you do), AC line powered are almost always better.
Thanks! The higher vibration is more than offset by the faster cut times of the top 3 grinders. I like cordless better for cut off wheels but for actual grinding they can’t come
close to a corded grinder.
Yes, I agree. I don't use a grinder often enough to need more than one, so I rely on my cheap angle grinder bought at Autozone to finish a rush repair. It works.
The 60v DEWALT grinder is a beast and better than any corded grinder I’ve used. They have a 6” and 7” version
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
I've been going all-in on the Milwaukee battery-powered tools since watching these videos. Super happy with them so far. I'm guessing the bean counters will get to them eventually. Their hand tools are soso.
I have watched many of PF power tool tests, and Milwaukee generally places in the top 3. But I am biased and have invested in their tool line and batteries.
Thanks for the feedback.
I'd agree with that part about hand tools. I'm an apprentice electrician and I can say that all of our guys love Milwaukee for power tools and Klein for hand tools. Those two brands are almost exclusively used on our site with a couple outliers
You make the best reviews by far. Fair and honest. You've saved me a lot of time and money. Thanks for your content.
You are welcome! Glad to hear!
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Awesome test! Maybe add portable band saws, circular saws and cut off saws to the list that would be cool to see. Along with battery (mx fuel for example) compared to gas
Great recommendations! Thank you
Would be great to see an MX Fuel / DeWalt FlexVolt vs gas comparison, MC Fuel are super expensive though
@@Muggles87 that really would be I didn't know dewalt had a battery cut off saw
Man, I should do that testing myself. I already own the Kobalt, Ridgid, Ryobi, and Milwaukee ones. Just need DeWalt and Makita, really.
This is a great recommendation. Looking forward to seeing this
Great video, really liked it! We use the milwaukee grinder at work, and it eats through batteries almost as fast as it does through steel 😁. I do have to point out, though, that the milwaukee you tested was a 6" grinder, which as a whole are more powerful than the 4 1/2" grinders you tested from the rest of the brands. A more equal comparison would've been model 2889-20. But thanks for the great comparison anyways!
Thanks!
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@@ProjectFarm would be great if u could the the 4-5” to prove it’s almost identical in power
All angle grinders eat through batteries fast
@@MoroccanAnwar not in 20 seconds. Guaranteed a 3ah and 4ah will output the same power for that amount of time
I feel that Ryobi got a raw deal here. Their HP line is being tested without an HP battery.
Does that make a difference? I finally bought a 5 tool HP pack with 2 HP batteries but a lot of the HP tool combo kits come with regular batteries. I was looking hard at Rigid but I have several older ryobi tools including some lawn care stuff. I was disappointed ryobi did so poorly in the test.
@@12345diehappy I would imagine it makes a difference, considering this is a high performance test that relies a lot on the battery's ability. HP batteries have additional terminals that communicate with the tool to maximize output, or so Ryobi claims... The only advantage in the HP line compared to their standard One+ series is (supposedly) the battery.
Speeded up for efficiency of watching. Project fam for awards....punching as much info as fast as possible
Thanks for watching!
I was thinking about the Dewalt but when it came to the vibration test that was a dealbreaker for me. I’m going to look into that Ridgid. Thanks, the video was excellent!
Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
Ridgid tools are shit
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I know that all of these grinders were in the 18-20v range, but I wish that the DeWalt flexvolt 4-1/2-6" grinder had been included. That version has WAY more power than the XR grinder. Otherwise, great review as usual.
It'd probably wreck all of these. It's pretty much corded performance
I was also hoping to see the FlexVolt since they really have that line competing against the Milwaukee Fuel. Otherwise, great test as usual!
The 60v would destroy these, I have both and don’t even touch the 20 anymore
I know. I just picked one up, it's still in the box. Was hoping I'd see it here.
Yes it really should have been in here
I've been waiting for this video before buying a cordless grinder. Since I already own the Kobalt line, I was hoping to see the kobalt grinder. The craftsman seems to be built like the Dewalt. As always, thanks for another no hold back video.
I would like to see kobalt as well.
Same I’m already invested in Kobalt. I always just assume it does better than Bosch since my Kobalt set always bests my co workers Bosch set when they can’t get through something.
I too have the kobalt. It works really good I wonder how it would of placed here.
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Because of all tests presented by Project Farm for grinder, circular saw, impact wrench, driller, sander and so on, I personally decided to go and buy all I need from Milwaukee.
Thanks for sharing.
The Ryobi angle grinder is kind of picky about batteries and really needs a "HP" or "High Performance" pack or it really struggles. The P192 or PBP004 4AH batteries perform much better in my experience. For peak performance in Ryobi tools the P194 9AH and the P195 3AH are the real standouts.
Yep using the older first generation lithium Ryobi batteries (used in this test)in the newest generation tools does not work out very well. The battery he tested with I don't think is even sold at home Depot any longer.
I feel like that is almost part and parcel of being a laborer as well. Sometimes you just buy the tool to replace what broke on the job. Some guys aren't going to buy a stack of new HP+ batteries to go with the HP tools. Just recently Ryobi did the "Ryobi Days" at Home Despot, and they were offering free tool with 2 pack of 4ah batteries. None of which was the HP line(obviously they were clearing stock to make way for HP line.) But they're still winding up with more mismatched product out there(in households and toolboxes) than matching.
None of this is the say I would recommend Ryobi for construction/laborer standpoint. But when you can buy two for way cheaper than one expensive, you can afford to forget one on the job when it's 5.
@TheCheesePlease Which is to say, I think they use the worst parts in the Ryobi Tools, because the same company that builds Ryobi also make Rigid and Milwaukee Tools.
I’d like to see an overall review of these tool sets (Milwaukee, Dewalt, Makita, rigid, etc..) I think some do better with different tools but I’d say most people want to stick to one brand so that batteries are compatible with all tools.
Thanks for the video idea.
The next step here is to send all of those to AvE for internal diagnosis. We would love to know how well the cheaper versions are built compared to the top dollar stuff.
I have been using the 18V Makita platform for over 16 years now, with no complaints other than battery cost.
Nothing tops the high end metabo pro / saftey stuff. real mechanical brakes, anti vibration handle AND the flange is a unique design that has self balancing internally to further reduce vibration. They also use a bunch more copper in their motors. set you back around 4 bills though. all day use type of tool.
Thank you!
AvE has gotten tired of doing good videos...I think because of the time commitment. He hasn't done much in the way of good tool videos in quite some time. Besides, Project Farm's videos do tell us, at least me, plenty of information on which I can base a decision to buy or not. The best advice AvE ever gave was to go to a rental shop and see what brand tool they rent as their tools have to last a long time through a lot of abuse. Still, it would be a plus to know what type of plastic (if it includes glass fibre and how much, etc.) is contained and how well it's put together.
I really liked the vibration test. I have trigger finger. Eventually had to get surgery to unlock a couple fingers. The less vibration the better for me. Thank you for doing that test.
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I would love to see a UK version of this. With some of the tools you highlight for being great value, they're basically never available in the UK and cross-referencing to see if any retailers sell the same tool with different branding is tricky. Either way, love the content as always, thank you for your continued efforts.
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@@S0ulinth3machin3 Eh? Makita have a factory in the UK making cordless and mains tools including drill/drivers, angle grinders, jigsaws, plunge saws, belt sanders and circular saws. Their website says it " builds around 1.1 million tools per year. 70% of these tools are exported with 60% going to Europe and 10% going to the rest of the world, 30% stay in the UK."
I love these videos, but Ryobi should really be a contender in many of them. I beat the crap out of mine and I'm constantly surprised at the quality they provide for the price.
Thank you for the feedback!
I agree, when it comes to angle grinders the ryobi last longer, n when they go it doesn't break the bank.
It would've been cool to see the 6" DeWalt flexvolt grinder in the testing. And an actual Metabo grinder as well. Otherwise a great video. Thanks!
A Metabo was included in the test. The latest name Hitachi (Metabo) uses is Metabo-HPT with their rebranding.
A Chinesium "metabo" couldn't be worse! Test any of their "real" ones...
@@alfredomarquez9777 exactly. their pro / saftey line is bar-none the best grinders in the game. it's like comparing commercial hilti to the homedepot brands. not even close.
Metabo and Metabo HTP aren’t the same company.
Agreed! Was hoping for a real made-in-Germany metabo, like the "WPB 18 LTX BL"
All the welders / metal fabricators I’ve ever seen always use metabo angle grinders - always a good recommendation
Thanks for the feedback.