2022 Subaru WRX | Review, Dyno, Reality Check
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- We review the new 2022 Subaru WRX to discuss the engineering, technical changes and to dyno the car. After much discussion about the looks, we drive the car to see if the experience out shines the negatives. Others to consider are Elantra N, VW GTI and Golf R, Honda Civic Si, and Mazda3 Turbo.
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Index:
00:00 Intro
00:29 Interior Impressions
3:19 Mechanical Impressions, Exterior and Aero
6:21 Body and Suspension Changes
10:11 AWD and Transmissions
11:19 Engine Changes and Dynojet Numbers at AMS Performance
15:42 Driving Impressions
22:45 Final Thoughts 
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“In the real world, you don’t drive a spec sheet.” Thank you Jack for one of the best things I have ever heard said in a car review
Too bad the spec sheet describes the car. I like how the WRX feels better but are you gonna get smoked by a Honda Accord 10 speed? Probably.
I don't agree with a fair portion of Mark and Jacks' opinions, but damn do I love their integrity and attention to detail. It's what makes me click on their videos every time they pop up on my feed.
@@TheLocalsOnlyPodcast it may describe the car and it’s performance, but for cars like this it can’t really describe the *driving experience and engagement*, something that’s far more important than just raw numbers for a car like this imo
@@TheLocalsOnlyPodcast you have to compare the Accord 2.0T sport with manual and not 10 speed to make this claim, then based on the specs the Accord will probably beat the WRX on a straight. However most people who choose the WRX "don't drive a spec sheet."
@@TheLocalsOnlyPodcast shits ugly
The only high-production automotive journalist team brave enough to audio-graph, weigh, and now *_dyno_* every car they get
A+ content upgraded to A+++
Nah, clearly SG is beyond A+ class- they're S tier. Each review is on par to what I'd expect Gran Turismo to produce (if they did video reviews).
@@imnotsqiddy lol “S-tier”
Nah THEY’RE GOAT TIER
In-depth technical analysis is rare for reviews.. oddly. These guys are amazing for this
The plastic on the wheel wells are honestly an INCREDIBLE for someone like me. I live up north, a lot of salt during winter, and almost exclusively dirt roads during the summer. This means the wheel wells get absolutely torn up by rust
You should try paying for roads, instead of a new car.
Drove a 2018 wrx for just over 5 years in Pennsylvania where it snows 4 months out of the year; never had a single issue with wheel well rust. Not on the wrx, not on any car I've owned. Nice that you like the garbage plastic Subaru is feeding it's customers though
@@CortMarshal We all pay taxes right? I don't understand your comment lol
@@alexhalbleib2398 idk what point your trying to prove😂 rust is a huge issue in the northeast and it does kill cars. NY alone isn’t even a comparison to Pennsylvania especially upstate. We get much more snow and a bit longer winters. And it’s all hills.
@@CortMarshalridiculous comment
Test drove one today. I thought it was immeasurably better than the previous generation in every way lol. I could not believe how much better the shifter and clutch were, unbelievable difference. It looks way way better in person.
In person I somehow dont mind the black body panel parts, in pictures and videos im like its disgusting
@@shaun44smith I wish there was one around here for me to see in person because the black panels really kill it for me
@@itsNep_ i was car shopping for my brother over 3 weeks i would pass by see one and its gone in a day
It's wild how many people think the car is ugly, it looks good in person, although the blue is definitely better than orange.
If you match the plastic to the color it looks even better
1:50 Having a really bad center console is arguably the most WRX authentic thing about this car
yeah, but i was also thinking, that the arm rest is really low, until i drove a bmw e90(alpina) and an opel astra with a good arm rest, well, with a manual, it's really uncomfortable to have a comfortable armrest, because it gets in a way, so I was always lifting the armrest on those cars. On my bmw e46 with automatic, it's a blast, since you rest your hand and you do not need to change gears
I figured out how to position my arm to use the seat holster as an arm rest since my GR hatch’s center console was so shitty.
That and the terrible radio lol I will always change my Subaru head unit
hahahah my center console is the only thing that's broken on my 2013 STi
ROFLMFAO!!!!
As always your attention and to and explanation of the technical details of the changes Subaru made in this version of the car are unparalleled with regard to other RUclipsrs. That's the main reason I continue to follow this channel, besides the excellent audio video editing quality. Simply stated, nobody does it better. I'd like to remind all the readers / viewers though that it is impossible for a YT reviewing channel to address issues of long-term reliability. And that is something you really should take into consideration when considering this car or comparing it to other possible buying choices.
technical
All I can say, is what are the oldest Subarus (or brand that you are considering) you see on the road. If you see 80s, 90s, gap, 2015, It's probably conventionally not a good long term car
Long term reliability? With Subaru it all depends on how handy you are with a wrench. If you have to pay someone else to do your wrenching, totally not worth it.
@@Dia1Up What are you trying to say? My family daily drives multiple 90s Subarus, I see everything from 95 to 2021 on the road regularly. Head gaskets killed a lot of NA EJ25 cars, but most had them replaced once and then kept going. Rust is what takes them off the road, just like every brand.
@@zedhead2864 Which is funny since they're one of the easiest brands to work on. The internet has just convinced everyone through memes that there is something mystical about them.
Former wrx owner, and your point on the “peakyness” of the torque curve is spot on and the main issue that people were trying to correct with after market tunes. (Yet another) Great review!
Turbo Lag 🤩🤩🤩 Flat Curve🤩🤩
100% agreed. Used to drive a 2013 wrx
That and the rev hang, I had a 2015 wrx and the rev hang was absurd. Very tempted by the new one based on everything being said.
That being said as a 17 owner they will make more torque once tuned on e60 with a downpipe than the stock rods would be able to handle when the turbo spools up. I feel like aftermarket rods would significantly help. With my 2.0 had a little more off boost torque 1500-2500. Maybe that’s just because it’s real loud in boost.
The older I get, the more car vids I see, the more I appreciate the work and expertise presented here.
“Everyone is going to put a stage 10 on this car” 😂🤣😂🤣
It is not the most attractive or ugliest Subaru out there for sure. Thank you guys for a thorough and comprehensive review, as always!
Queue the "The trouble of being faster than light is that you can only live in the darkness". If Subaru owners didn't tune their cars to be that fast, they would have to look at them them. The horror!
ps: Curent gen BMW owners looking at them from a distance :)
It is definitely the most ugliest
@@nabatron21 agreed. No other gen comes close to this in regards to ugly styling.
@@TTercel Not all agree with you. I'd say this is the best WRX in a long time. I'll be test driving one when they land. I think Subaru will bring in some different people with this WRX and repulse some of the fans of the previous car.
nah, stage 10 probably means stickers, wheels, rallyarmour mudguard and spoiler stablizers :P
Always a breath of fresh air, guys. Thank you for giving this little Subie the same attention to detail you'd give something that costs 10x as much.
Just purchased a 23 Wrx Base in ice metallic. The shifter and clutch are awesome. And it looks way better in person
Here's my outlook. If you crave performance, but you're on a bit of a budget. If you can only afford one car. If you need practicality, and prefer the security of a lockable trunk. If you live in a part of the country that gets brutal weather, sometimes. If you need reliability. Be realistic. You're not going to ever drive a full-on, full-blown, pedigree, street-legal sports car. (Unless you rent an exotic, for the night; from one of those high-end, specialty rental car shops.)
However, if you're not completely dead inside. This new WRX is your compromise vehicle, with ironically few compromises. Okay, it takes Premium fuel. And, the fuel economy is likely the worst out of all of its competitors. And, unless you're my age; Insurance companies are going to violate your wallet. Those negatives are the price you pay for not being dead inside and owning a legit performance car on a budget.
And before anyone says VW GTI, let's be completely honest. Yes, very good fuel economy. Yes, it takes Regular. Yes, the front end is better looking. But when you need reliability, literally no one thinks VW. Do you really want a new car that'll leave you stranded by the side of the road within literally the first couple of years of ownership? Do you really want an interior on your new car that's going to develop annoying squeaks and rattles within months of ownership? Be honest.
This is the first review of this car that I've seen that attempts objectivity. So many people are hung up on the lack of massive improvement in horsepower and torque numbers. What I've taken from Subaru's statements about the car is that it's a "sum of its parts" car, and I feel like y'all have really taken that into account with this much more delayed review compared to other channels. Great work and looking forward to the eventual STi review!
Subaru has almost always taken a sum of parts approach IMO, but the public loves headlines and big numbers. I think they persist because their consistent growth for decades now demonstrates they have done something right. I do miss the old quirkier cars though. I mean, I still drive them, but I miss the idea.
I agree, reviews like this would make me test drive it
For me, cars like the wrx relies more on driving experience and engagement, something that numbers and looks can’t really describe.
They really could've given us some more beans from the factory, if this engine is so mature now. I shouldn't have to go drop a bunch of money in a brand new generation/platform just to improve on the previous gen that I'm currently driving. It should have come with a little extra on tap, allowed me to get used to and bored of the modest power bump, then I can dump money in to squeezing every last drop out of it. Fwiw, I don't mind the looks and I think people are complaining about looks too much, vinyl wrap is cheaper than car parts. Or, they could just tell us, in real tech terms, WHY their new engine is the bees knees, and that would suffice.
@@beatsandmel0dy quick tune will do a lot on these…
Been waiting for this
Interested to see how significant the changes to the STi will be. Either way, glad SG gave us such a solid review of the base model!
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think it's one of the better looking WRX designs ever.
There's no questioning that when it comes to car reviews, Savageese is on a league of their own. Very technically thorough and detailed reviews and they say it just how it is. Mark and Jack are highly competitive professionals and not RUclipsr car salespersons. Great job 👍
I'd put Throttle House, Straight Pipes, and Sarah 'N Tuned in that league also (well, almost).
I just love how you guys deliver that dose of reality how every new WRX had its design hate initially. It's very very true.
This is going to need a lot of aftermarket work to make it shine. The concept 2022 WRX looked awesome. This looks much blander.
The back end is horrendous though
@@GA-wq8xq I 100% agree. I hate the side profile & interior as well. I wouldn't buy it and would rather buy a Z or BMW 2 series.
If I had to buy a 4-door, I would take a 3 series or MK7 Golf
Yep. But I saw a new one in red with a different custom exhaust but still dual tips out the back but larger and not rolled. It looked really nice in person and it was almost the same height as my old accord so it may have been lowered a touch. I'll have to see a stock one but that specific one was very nice and I can easily glance over the rear plastic stuff. Maybe just wrap the car and do the rear bumper the same color or do inserts
@@qx4n9e1xp you're right, most WRX shapes I hated, then a few years later I come to like them. I completely hated the new one. But now, I can kind of see the appeal also. They tried to make it be a rugged car. A car that isn't going to be babied like a show car, but instead is going to be used in harsh north american climates (snow, desert etc), and that should be reliable (lower PSI than old WRX).
I still completely hate the design, but I'm starting to see the appeal too (or what Subaru were trying to do with it). A hardy car, that honestly should be real fun to mod also. When you think about it, that's kind of what the old WRX's were suppose to be. Not all gens or variants, like once Subaru left the WRC they ditched any attempt at having that rugged image and almost tried to turn the WRX into more off a track car. The progression of the S20x series Japan was making and releasing in Japan prove that point. And also how they started doing lots of nurburgring attempts and isle of man attempts etc during that era (the hatch was their last WRC built model). It makes sense, post hatch (especially during the VA era), it was only Subaru in USA that was still doing rallying (all those rally VA's are built by vermont motor sport), not to mention all the USA hoonigan stuff (making the WRX go up jumps etc). All during this time Japan (with help of prodrive etc) was off trying to make it a track car while releasing 'nur spec' STIs for Japanese market. I think the new WRX (the VB) is Japan basically just saying the hell with it (and conceding) and building the new WRX heavily (almost entirely) for the North America market. North America is their biggest market after-all, so it makes logical sense, and it was basically the only market that was still keeping the WRX = rally / offroad type car image still alive, plus it is a market that has the harsh environment to have demand for a car like that. Japan has finally conceded that the WRX is not a track car, the BRZ now fills that niche (budget track car) and the WRX is the rugged sport car, while they can now focus on EV and future builds (including future STI models) (like that crazy EV hypercar they built to try beat records at nurburgring with in 2023).
If you look at the older WRX, and the Spec C's, they were always meant to be rugged cars that have utility and potential for modding etc. If anything this new model is like a modern throwback to what the WRX was always suppose to be about. So from that point of view I kind of like it. I also think this new FA24 will be real fun to mod / build.
Typical WRX forum member:
What kind of mods can I do to increase horsepower?
Month later:
Help, my engine blew!
😂😂😂
Under-rated comment
Lmao 😂
I bought a 22 WRX 6 speed today :)
You guys make a car review detailed but enjoyable enough so that the not-as knowledgeable like myself can still admire/understand all the work that went into these cars. Great work!
I'm not sure why they assume no one's cares about the audio quality. Who doesn't like to drive and listen to music from a good system??
Because they know serious audiophiles will upgrade a stock stereo anyway.
There's a huge aftermarket.
Bass doesn't matter when you are listening to a podcast or audiobook.
@@thisismagacountry1318 when you're buying a new car u don't wanna tear the fuckin door cards open
@@jacobs1047 That's why you let professional installers do it.
Remember the part where I mentioned the HUGE AFTERMARKET?
But I'd rather you enjoy your stock shit stereo.
It's what you deserve.
Can't hear anything in mine over the road noise and a persistent rattling from the rear parcel shelf...
Enthusiasts: “turbo the Crosstrek, I’ll buy that in a heartbeat! And bring back the WRX in a hatch!”
Subaru: “the enthusiasts want a sedan that looks like a Crosstrek but has none of the utility”
Also Subaru: “they think our cars are ugly but we have no competition, tell them to get over it.”
This is so accurate that it's painful.
World: There is a Global chip shortage!
Subaru: Lets make the infotainment system more complicated and use more chips.
@@ivansolares2448 To be fair this was designed before the chip shortage. I would have been more costly to redesign the dash layout.
Exactly
I believe a turbo Crosstrek outsells the wrx and sti combined! It’s market would be 25-55…it would branch out beyond just “enthusiast”
Love the review. This is one of the few car channels that I've found that provides a realistic overview of each car you review. Too many channels gloss over important issues (like fuel economy or insurance premiums). I've gone from wanting to go out and buy this car right away to rethinking my options a bit!
Still loving my 2014 WRX hatchback, 2.5L Turbo, 5spd...Its fabulous. Subaru really dropped the ball dropping the hatchback...I have nowhere to go from here with Subaru. Nice video !!
I must be the only one that always wanted (and now have) a WRX but NEVER wanted a hatch.
Why not just get the Sedan?
@@DragonKnightX12 Sedan WRX/STi is awesome however it lacks the utility I want....For example, yesterday I swapped to my summer wheels , just open the hatch and chuck them in. Loads of space with the seat down. Or 2 road bikes on top of eachother out of the rain ...etc..etc. I really hope they bring it back however my 2014 hasn't had 1 issue other than a dash rattle that I fixed with silicone spray so I'm good for a few years easy.
Those summer wheels work better if you mount them to the car instead of throwing them in the back.
The video is not about you and your 10 year old WRX.
Try to keep up.
15:50 this is an iconic moment. Probably the most iconic moment ever on this channel
That was good.
i dunno, i still remember when mark threw deli meat into door panels and condom boxes in trunks...
I know folks complain about power, and I get it. They're seeing EV's (including pickup trucks) produce insane horsepower and torque figures and push the boundaries of physics regarding acceleration. They're seeing muscle cars continually pump out new trim levels, each bolstering 100+ horsepower gains over previous trims and generations. They're seeing small 3cyl motors have made leaps and bounds putting out incredible HP and torque figures well over 200hp and even over 500hp in some rare (and expensive) instances. But here we are, in 2022 at 271hp, with micro improvements in power over the span of this automobile renaissance.
But keep in mind, 271hp is still probably the highest output in its class. If you want to be more race-oriented, then scrape $25 more a month and get the STi, or build something better for half the price. If 275 hp isn't enough for your needs on the road, then you're probably drag racing Mustangs. If you're doing that, then you're missing the point, but I get it. My unmodified 1995 Honda Civic Si, with 128hp is still plenty for me on backroads. It begs me to modify it, but it's not like there's no room to improve my skills either. In conclusion, there's nearly endless room to improve yourself. 271 horsepower is more than enough for its class. Horsepower doesn't equal fun or skill.
You nailed it.
271hp is not best in class...
So what is the point here? It has zero rally credentials, lacks power, has a Subaru interior and isn't even fun to drive...
There is a reason why people talk about tuning them after they drive them home...
@@Jaredscott89 it’s a good all around car. I have an ‘11, for $20k and low mileage, it was a steal has had 0 issues. Nice interior like an Audi is going to cost $$$$. Big power like a mustang is going to cost $$$ in gas. Stick shift on it is plenty fun compared to say Honda Accord. I’ve ripped mine on every rural road imaginable in the mountains and terrible weather, no issues and no repair sitting at 90k miles. You get what you pay for. The ‘22 is ugly af though I wouldn’t get the new ones
@@omichaelnato5388 Mazda seem to be able to design a interior that doesn't look shit for normal money...
Other competing manufacturers make more power from less fuel too...
Why would I be comparing something that doesn't compete with an Accord to an Accord? Any reason you are avoiding the obvious?
@@Jaredscott89 lol I love my wrx it’s just an opinion. I’m just saying for the money it’s cool to have 270hp, stick, and good sound (the old ‘11 has a good rumble). I’m just thinking of all my coworkers who spent around $20k but got Honda accords that’s all lol.
Mazda’s seem to be really good too with reliability. Style usually comes at a cost in general, not always but usually
I love the style and info this channel has. The Dyno is a great great touch. I've always wanted this to happen on new car reviews!
I appreciate the small details in these reviews 100%. From the Audio measurements, to the thing about the arm-rests, these are details that no one else talks about, and when you buy the car, they are the first annoyances! Bravo Zulu for the awesome reviews guys!
Yea, the arm rest comment had me concerned as I’m a short person but luckily I was able to sit in the prototype at a car show this weekend and it wasn’t an issue for me. I actually have a world rally blue in order. I didn’t like the design at first but have gotten used to it and as someone coming from a GTI, I wanted AWD without having to spend for a golf R.
Really liking the move away from undersized high boost motors. Likely greater engine longevity with less stressed components.
isn't that what this is though? I mean .4l extra displacement with 6000rpm powerband still isn't a whole lot
2.0l is far from undersized for a 3200lbs sedan. It's not producing that much power per liter either, it's biggest let down is the top mounted intercooler. Subaru needs to ditch this design for a front mounter design. This 2.4l will suffer same heat soaking issues as the rest of their turbo line up.
Laughing in GLA 45 AMG
And it’s ugly AF
@@gaivoron not to mention Everytime I want to do anything other than an oil change removing the topmount IC is a bitch. They need to go front mount
Another opportunity to thank you guys for the honest and even handed approach and for the consistently high quality of content here.
YOU GUYS JUST ROCK IN ANY ASPECT AND FROM ANY AUTOMOTIVE KNOWLEDGE PERSPECTIVE!
INFORMATIVE, LAID BACK, NO NONSENSE AND BRILLIANT HOW TO DO LADS. ONE OF MY TOP 5 RUclips AUTOMOTIVE CHANNELS SO FAR!
Very constructive and informative review. Just what I’ve been waiting for. Can’t wait to drive one!
Being in New England, if they made a 5-door of this, I'd buy one. As it is, I use the utility of the hatch more often than need the AWD. That's going to put me in a GTI or the upcoming Acura Integra. Unless the Corolla GR can save me
Sane here. I had to pass on the wrx when they got rid of the 5 door
Trust me when I say, wait for the GR Corolla.
@@wigletron2846 I had an '05. Almost bought a '14 but the wife at the time had a long commute and the gas was atrocious. Ended up with a focus SE 5 speed because nothing else made any sense (the GTI was between model years and used ones were going for over new MSRP)
It's called the Levorg... :p
@@fortheloveofnoise fortunately, I'm in no rush. The current family car runs fine and likely could for a number of years. I just want to buy it's replacement while there is still something I want to buy that isn't a crossover
Thank goodness you guys reviewed this car. This is the level-headed, reasonable review that washes out all of the internet's fanboy shrieking and gives us what we need to know as potential buyers. Kudos to you for an excellent video and review once again!
Mark and Jack can always be counted on for this. I hope that continues well into the future.
i'm expecting the same for the integra; the noise on the internet is deafening and there are only a handful of legit reviewers, like SG, who can provide a logical, reasonable take.
*They are the best car reviewing channel when it comes down to getting the facts. They may not be the most entertaining, but they never sound like they've been sponsored by the car company or just saying positive things to keep people happy. They call it as it is.*
I bought one and I love it, I got it in black and it looks great even with the grey trim. My old man got in it and said he likened the torque curve to small capacity V8's. I love the car and I didn't like the old generation much. You're spot on about the lack of feel, but the front end grip and the way I can storm down those B-roads with confidence, I loved it the moment i drove it. Cheers
Great review, first time I stumbled you guys on recommendation and I thought I give a try then made me watched the whole video without skipping it. Subbed!
Why have they not figured out to just make the entire car out of black plastic cladding? Clearly it's what the people want!
Also this should be a CUV.
And not called the WRX then
Maybe in the sti that plastic is a big diffuser. Toned down the wrx lol
Yeah to me it's a Crosstrex sport iyt really does not look like a WRX too be.
I agree all those painted metal surfaces are 🤮🤮
It'll be the most aerodynamic car on the road!!
You guys are the best comprehensive car reviewers. Greatly appreciate the in-depth mechanical & technical sections plus having the car on a lift to view underside & suspension. I’ve based my last several purchases of the information I find on your channel.
Personally every WRX isn’t a beauty queen. People buy it for what it does & once inside everyone else has to look at it not the driver. So long as they don’t screw up the capability think it’ll sell just fine
I’ve never seen a video from you guys before but I am incredibly impressed and instantly subscribed keep up the good work
The only channel I would legit buy a car based off of their review of it. I love how thorough you guys are.
This has been the best review of the new WRX. Sending love from Rockford, IL.
Great in depth review. It seems that Subaru made a great baseline model for tuners again. I'm looking forward to seeing all the aftermarket parts and the builds people do on this new platform.
I was about to comment this, really wrx fans should rejoice the plastic fenders, it means they will get more bolt on fender options from tuners.
I didn't think of that. I don't really modify cars much so I doubt I would have the time or money to change the looks.
@@dancarlos1216 Beat me to it. The most popular item on this car is going to be body kits (for good reason), and we might see a change where the major selling point of a ECU tune is for better fuel economy for the same power.
WIth California banning ECU tunes (ECU tuned cars no longer pass yearly smog tests); I don’t believe that’s a viable option for 45 million people.
@@ricecakeboii94 Did not know that, but I bet it won't stop them though. They'd just list it as "off-road use only" like they have before and hand off any liability on to the end purchaser. I'm sure there's some equally dumb rule coming out for the body kits too knowing that state.
Best review, I have seen by far. I really liked seeing the underside of the car up on the lift. Not to mention you guys showed the dyno chart. Very good and in depth review. I need to step up my game and make higher quality review like you guys. Thanks for the amazing video review!
Appreciate your in depth and fair presentation, recognizing the concerns the audience has expressed but also trying to show where some of them might not be the whole story. As I am considering buying a car in the next few years while moving into another wintry state, I am hopeful that this will be a strong option when I am ready to purchase. Amazing production quality as always fellas!
Once again killing it with exceptional quality. Amazing and concise review. I personally almost ordered a 2022. However I ended up taking delivery of a 2021 wrx last week and it's been an absolute blast. I am curious to see what the aftermarket will bring to the table for the new gen.
I wont rip it more than I have already, but your review, dyno, and technical info sharing made this the best review Ive seen on this goblin…3 time owner. Subscribed!
Goblin Is a great nick name for this car.
@@kevincrockett5155 Ive been calling it “my little goblin” for a long time now lol. IF, I get it…I will find a tasteful car tat and put it on her lol…but thats a big IF at the moment
Great review. Thanks for taking a deep look at this car and not giving in to bias.
This review of the new wrx is pretty amazing. While people are hung up on the looks and 0-60 specs, this review shows how much R&D was put into this new wrx model. I like how this review shows a lot of new subaru engineering. The peak torque on the new wrx plus the smooth tune eliminates the rev hang from previous models. While I'll keep my LTD stink eye, I really like this new wrx. Mark my words, people will be ordering these cars even if a lot of people are focused on HP and looks. This new engine is pretty cool too.
And the problem now is the dealers like to charge their own “Dealer MSRP” instead of the manufacturer MSRP. Gouging is alive and well and will be remembered by me.
Nothing screams at me that I want to spend my hard earned dollars on this car.
Watch the Kona N or Elantra N reviews.
That may pique your interest.
nothing screams at me to spend my money on ANY new car in this day n age....everything and i mean EVERYTHING is overpriced and not worth anywhere near the price companies want for there vehicles.
Maintenance is easier. The engine bay isn't as cramped, and all the bits and pieces are easily accessed.
Not really, it's cheapened down in terms of quality and performance for yet a higher price. You are essentially getting less for more money.
@@Anonymous______________ Did you even watch the review?
Nice and fair review. Thanks, guys!
I think the similarity to the changes in the Civic Si are notable. While both are similar to the last generation in hp, both have better torque curves, allowing for more power at lower revs, which is beneficial on the street, which is where these cars will be driven most of the time. Even without more power, to me this is a win.
Fantastic job on the video. I enjoyed all the deep technical analysis that went into this video. I hope you do the same type of video when the new STI comes out. Great job and kudos to all involved in making this video! I'm sure it took a lot of work!
Probably the best review about this car I have seen. Fantastic job!!!
Love how detailed you guys are. An audio roundup for the industry would be excellent. Kind of a top 10 for audio packages, which automakers provide good audio. Also, the bottom dwellers regarding audio. Great work men
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I think they said it best where there are pros and cons to this segment. Depending on what you're looking for in a car will decide whether you buy this, a Si, GTI or Elantra N Line/Forte GT. I'm just happy there's several options in the rapidly shrinking small car with a manual market.
It's not" rapidly shrinking". It's been fairly stable in terms of options for a while.
@@Gandalf721 I'm just disputing that they are rapidly disappearing now. The bulk of the manuals disappeared in the late 90s and 2000s, since then, there has been a reasonable supply of enthusiast manual models on the market, and only a modest decline.
See depending on what the starting price is and what trim you are shopping, the Elantra N (and Kona N) easily come into play.
Excellent review as always. I love the work you guys do.
Very intuitive video, very detailed review compared to the other 30 videos I watched. Thank you very much
Super objective, factual and unbiased review. Love it. Definitely going to test drive this, Elantra N and the GTI. This definitely sounds like an improvement from my 2011 WRX.
Wait for GR Corolla
Sounds like it's slightly uglier and worse fuel economy vs the last one, otherwise better in all other aspects.
And compared to the 11 I hope it does better on fuel as that thing was essentially a truck with 4wd stuck on permanently
This might be the upgrade from my 2014 hatch. Good car overall.
@@wayward03 lol I average 20 in my ‘11 this car doesn’t look much better
@@omichaelnato5388 yeah it was nearly impossible to hit 25 in my 11wrx.
Meanwhile the brz could do mid 30's and so could the 15wrx ( fuel saving prius driving style)
It also sounds like the new brz is also a bit worse although it needed a power bump so it's a good trade
its suddenly not ugly to me as when i first saw it. that mysterious design growing on you phenomenon
That's what the blue pill does to you
Appreciate all the technical explanations. I always like to learn new things from people who are more knowledgeable than me. Thanks.
And this is how a proper review is done... thank you!
Quality content once again guys
I’m not a Subaru person by any means, but I really appreciate this review. It doesn’t jump on the low hanging fruit to get extra views. I’m sick of all the stupid meme’s with cars that many reviewers regurgitate to confirm what the popular sentiment is now. I don’t care only about 0-60 or HP numbers, as that is just the stuff the potato down your pants numbers that are one of the MANY details of what its like to drive a car. People need to realize that you need more information from people you respect and most importantly, DRIVE THE ACTUAL CAR YOURSELF to see how it feels to you.
The final thoughts were an extremely fair assessment of a solid car! The Final Thoughts from Jack in this are A+.
/rant off
We had this exact discussion. We know what gets the views and it would have been way easier to just play that game.
Thank you so much for going over technical nerdy stuff. You are the best car RUclipsrs
You are by far the best car review channel without a doubt, I learn exponentially more here than anywhere else.
I know I’m in the minority but I like the looks of this new model. The body lines look great and the plastic bits add to the rally styling.
I could never imagine modern wrx's in a rally event
Great Vid. Still love my 04 WRX wagon at stage 2 with 150k and 18 years going strong. It does everything the new one does and more because the wagon. I love Subaru but paid off for 14 years vs new with 5 years of payments, it’s tough to convince. Plus my blob eye is less ugly I think.
Your videos never fail to impress me. Great review
Truly appreciate all the effort you put into your reviews.
why am i one of the few people that love the new styling? I love it, its sleek and elegant in such a Japanese muscle way. I love the look of the exterior.
The engineering segments and objectivity are really what makes this channel unique on youtube. Amazing video as always!
Really appreciate how you go over the details with a fine-toothed comb.
I keep watching this video, it's so well done and thought through
I initially ignored this new model... now I'm looking at it like it's the ultimate 6spd daily driver.
At 20:30 you guys basically described the Mazda3 turbo. You want the best interior, more power than the civic, and AWD in one package… that’s your answer if you don’t need a big back seat.
Definitely one thing I'm envious of not getting (yet, or ever) in Aus. Disappointing that the Mazda doesn't offer a manual with the AWD, but would be a great daily with more kick than the NA motor.
@@ftovr2957 The paddle shifters are pretty close to manual IMO - It's not quite the same but it's a great compromise for a DD especially if you have to do traffic
@@nathanmcgeachy6391 Yeah, my parents have a couple 3rd gen Mazda6, and the shifts aren't too bad for a car really designed for comfort/economy.
Very nice review, gentlemen. Lots of in-depth tech analysis and then the practical (not a spec sheet) opinion. I really appreciate reviews that keep the whole mindset and approach within the context of the price point of the vehicle.
Great video guys, cheers
You guys got the best jobs on the planet keep it up
This was a rather informative and indepth review, much appreciated. I would love for you guys to get your hands on the cvt model and really put it through its paces for us to see that it doesn't ruin the car or the experience 😉
I still think it’s probably meh, but doubt it’s a choice any serious performance drivers should consider. I just worry about reliability since CVTs historically do not take abuse well. Just to emphasize the point there are 0 other performance cars that use any type of CVT which kinda speaks volumes.
But it does.
@@joshlum1807 Japanese CVTs tend to old up pretty well. True, but since 90% of WRX buyers go for manual, they probably didn’t see a reason to borrow someone else’s tranny.
That still bring us to the question of why the top trim is locked to the CVT.
just learn to shift a manual
@@veryrare7647 Ha ha, so clever.. why didn't I think of that. Oh it's because I'm a paraplegic, my legs cannot operate a clutch.
Best, most intelligent review I have seen; thanks!
I feel like the both of you were genuinely surprised by this car! Awesome review as always.
"In the real world, you don't drive a spec sheet." Best quote. Also love hearing it doesn't feel like it was tuned by the interns anymore. I'm very glad they didn't make the car heavier, despite making it larger. I actually like how it looks more than the outgoing car, though I know I'm in the minority. Really curious about the tuning overhead on this engine. I bet with a slightly larger turbo revving to 7K would be no issue. I didn't hear any complaints about the manual transmission, so it must at least be good. Great review, as always!
@L W They said it has upgraded valve springs from the Ascent and 7K has never really been pushing it that hard for any modern Subaru engine. Main reason they shut it down early is torque drops off around 5.5K so I'm just thinking slightly larger turbo and you can probably carry the power out. Will be fun to see people try! 😁 I agree though of course it would be risky to just send it.
@L W The original EJ20G in the base GC8 Impreza WRX was 7000rpm redline in Australia (and 8000rpm in Japan!). That wasn't even an STi either. IIRC the FB24 and FA24 have the same stroke as the FA20 and the FA24 in the 2022 Subaru BRZ revs to 7500rpm. So it seems the valvetrain is strong enough, it's just a matter of tuning and turbo sizing for it.
@@TassieLorenzo Yeah the highest revving versions of the EJ207 went to 8,250 I believe. That said, the EJ and the FA are completely unrelated. I'll comment a bit more in response to the other guy though.
@L W Yeah I hear you in general. Although almost all factory engines can stretch a bit more than 200 or even 500 past redline. They build in a safety factor. They just don't make any power past a certain point.
I find it very likely that since the valve train in the FA24F and FA20F are very similar, and both are likely similar to the FA24D and FA20D which can rev mich higher, they would likely be able to tolerate quite a bit more spinning. There is just no point with the factory turbo and cams because they stop making power. Why would Subaru make power from 4K to 8K for example instead of 2K to 6K and just leave it at that? It's less "fun" but more reliable and works better for everyday driving. Get what I mean? Likely some overhead before upgrades are 100% necessary, but obviously you start sacrificing long term reliability.
If it can rev higher, why cut it off lower?
It’s the first time I’ve said this about a car, but I genuinely can’t see what’s bad looking about it. I can’t see what people are complaining about. I think it looks awesome, and the plastic wheel arch things look tough.
Really enjoyed this review.
Excellent review, actually swayed my opinion after only seeing negative takes on it. You guys have heard the car out, as it were.
And that side profile is really damn good ngl
Thanks guys, great video!
I drove a modified 2010 WRX for over 10 years and 172,000 miles. A turbo-back exhaust, a stage 2 Perrin 93 oct tune, cheap Whiteline swaybars, and RPF-1 wheels really made the car fun. I always enjoyed the drastic acceleration once you hit 2750 rpm at WOT. They are great cars, and they grip like hell. Sometimes they'll grip too much, and they'll want to understeer. Other than a leaky steering rack, valve cover gaskets, a wheel bearing, a thermostat, a vacuum line twice, a crank position sensor, and a mandatory timing belt change at 100k, plus all the maintenance, it was a great car. In the end, I ended up selling it to pay for my NC MX-5. Yep, I gave in.
Haha I’ve looked at the mx5 too as unusually a HP guy. It actually looks nice which in todays world is apparently hard to do
You will be back down the road
Ever since they announced this car I’ve been on the lookout for reviews that go beyond “this looks terrible” or “it’s not like last gen.” Your video-among other reviews from Road & Track and the like-are excellent news for this car. If it is in fact more robust a vehicle than its predecessor, then that’s a win for everyone. The looks are something that everyone’s just going to get used to.
looks like garbage. Just wait 2 years for refresh. Otherwise you'll look at it in 5 yrs time and say 'why did I spend so much for this, looks like literal garbage lids stuck on it' while you admire the new model and wish you waited for that.
BEST REVIEW I HAVE SEEN. JUST EARNED A SUBSCRIBER.
Best review I’ve seen!
Well done!
Intelligent, informative, comprehensive. Thanks Mark and Jack. 👍
Really enjoyed this review. Like probably every Subaru enthusiast I am dumbfounded they didn’t produce an STI variant. And even if there was a decent reason not too with the booming SUV market then they still missed an insane opportunity to expand their STI heritage and performance into their SUV offerings like the crosstrek or forester, similar to the way dodge/jeep have been doing with the 392 and hellcat powerplants. Subaru takes such baby steps toward improvement each year that it’s hard to draw in any new customers or fan base cause there is so little to get excited or enthusiastic about and it’s a shame to be honest.
I share your sentiment but it would be a poor business decision.
You guys are great and objective on your car reviews!
This review is incredible; nice work.
The Civic is my current favourite for cargo space and fuel economy, but if Subaru brings us the Levorg body (wagon Impreza/WRX) it would really fill the Golf Sportwagen sized hole in the market.
Edited for spelling
I test drove a previous gen WRX and the ergonomics of the cabin were a deal breaker. The arm rest being so far down and way back made it impossible to get comfortable. It's disappointing to see this (along the many other issues) haven't been fixed in the new model.
ive got a jdm armrest in my 21, feels amazing. they will probably offer a similar extension for this model.
I personally can’t stand the design of that car. It looks like 15 years old corolla sport 🤦🏼♂️
It blows my mind that they still can't design an armrest that doesn't require a factory accessory or imported part to be comfortable.
@@im_an_alvani I think they do it on purpose. Not enough customer pushback to not change it.
@@kevincrockett5155 lol they do it on purpose so you can buy the accessory that raises it. Cash crab smh
This Patagonia commercial is excellent! Lol. In all seriousness, you guys are the best. Never quit.
In my mind, this is without doubt, the best review on a current model WRX. Thank you.
This would be a lot better looking as a hatchback or just give me the damn Levorg. The Levorg has great styling, just a little long in the rear because it's a wagon.
Just change the name
@@elisorrells5314 Agreed. Levorg is such an unappealing name.
Yeah! The Levorg should be in every market!
What I love about this channel in particular, is how in depth you go with the technical specs and suspension set-up.
Of all the auto channels you compete against on RUclips, you guys do the best at this. Keep it up! 👍👍👍
Agreed! Everybody else just pokes buttons and says things that are plainly obvious. Not to mention, the driving impressions they do tend to be very noncommittal and lack any perspective on feel and tuning.
The best review I have seen. Thank you for explaining and showing all those catch phrases. As for the complaints on the plastic wheel wells- look at how many cars these days have that plastic. How many of our cars have dents from a door strike in the parking lot in those areas. I’ll take the plastic.
One of the best reviews of WRX on the internet..