ShawnGS300 it’s really not the snappy like a lot of people say. With the picky extended for the 11 round magazine it’s very easy to control (and conceal) . Same for the 13 round magazine as well. I prefer the hellcat just how it feels in my hands more than the 365 (that’s personal). Hellcat all the way. Choose the one that feels best in your hands.
Hellcat is to new for some of these categories. Customization and to an extent reliability. I was all set to buy a p365 but I wanted to compare it to a hellcat. For me, ergonomically the p365 is the worst gun i have ever held. Add this to the early failures that sig doesn't own up to but changes things? Hellcat will be my next firearm.
Right on RP! I was at the range yesterday and they shared w me that they sold 5 Sig P365’s and 3 Hellcats on Saturday. They are and are still super hot!
Even though I'm a big guy and I wear XXL gloves, but I find the P365 very comfortable with the extended 10 round mags. The flush mag is OK with my pinky tucked under the mag and 2 fingers on the grip. I live in Massachusetts, so we can't get the 12 round mags here legally, but I think they might be ideal for my bear paws
Wow, this is the first review that I have seen where everyone picks the Sig. Almost always the opposite. Make you wonder??? Sorry boys. It the Hellcat for me.
@@rickyhogan2749 - The P365 has been out longer and already has a fanbase, also Sig is a much bigger name brand than Springfield Armory and many people still feel angry with Springfield over their political issues concerning the 2nd Amendment. I personally have had many issues with the P365 reliability and can't trust that pistol.
100%. I've been able to prove this was the issue with other Springfield micro's as well. It's just how some people hold micro-compacts their thumb is right on the slide release lever on the Springfield micro's.
I'm carrying the Hellcat. I think because of the grip angle it feels like a bigger gun than it is. With my large hands it just fits me better! I'm still going to get the p365 as well. I'm just a gun fanatic!
Love the trigger on the sig I always have. For me sights , shot placement , and the way it felt in my hands is what made the hellcat my current EDC. Great honest video here though.
They are both great reliable guns. It really comes down to personal preference. My advice is to rent both guns and try them out to see which one you like. Then decide which one you prefer to own. Again both are great reliable guns and it comes down to personal preference.
I don't like the Hellcat ergo's at all and the 365 is very comfortable in my hand. Sights on the Hellcat would have to changed for me, the 365 sights are exactly what I like.
As far as customization when sig came out it took a bit to get the 12 round mag and longer to get the 15 round mag. Holsters were a late arrival. Geez the sig has been out a while wait until the hellcat is out as long and then check availability
The slide lockback issue is actually the way some shooters hold the gun, your thumb is actually holding the slide release lever down. It has to do with the positioning of the slide release lever and the way some people hold micro-compacts. It's actually not the gun itself. Springfield's other micro's would have the same issue for some shooters. I'm not saying it's "your fault" obviously the slide lock lever placement was Springfield's idea, and if it doesn't work with the way you hold it, then you have every right to prefer the other gun for having it in a place where it doesn't do that. But what I don't understand is how Sig comes out on top on customization when Sig has a proprietary accessory rail. Like seriously, I absolutely do not buy any gun now-a-days that requires proprietary accessories. You guys complain about the availability of Hellcat accessories, but you all know that will come in time. With Sig's proprietary rails, nothing will come in time, keep waiting 20 years and it's still proprietary. Honestly there's no excuse for proprietary attachment points now. H&K used to do that BS back in the day when they didn't care what consumers had to say since they were making a killing with government contracts. But even they have realized they cannot get away with it anymore and all their new models come with universal mounting options. Like, even H&K has come around, how is Sig still putting a proprietary mounting system on it? SMFH
P365 w/ Hogue grip sleeve (or XL grip mod if thats your style), TLR-6, and 12rd mag (add the magguts +2 follower to get the capacity to 14+1) will turn this pistol into a beast also being able to interchange the slides and grip mods across the standard, SAS, and XL makes the 365 a winner in my book
Just like mine. Have you tried any Underwood Xtreme Defenders? They're perfect for short barreled pistols because hollow points don't perform consistently through them, but being "barrier blind" fluted solid copper, they perform consistently well. And their reduced weight can further reduce snappiness.
In Hank Strange review of the Hellcat they had issues of the slide not locking back alsi and it was because the were riding the slide stop. I haven't shot the Hell cat but that appears to be an issue of ergonomic with the gun. I may end up buying the 365.
Rented both and shot them side by side. I bought the P365. The Hellcat gave me what I call the Glock.40 sting from the web of my hand down to the palm with the recoil. The Sig has a better trigger and softer recoil.
@Dqalex - I shot both side by side. The P365 feels too thin and I hated the trigger. The Hellcat was much better ergonomically and I love the trigger hitting up to 50 yards 12x24 inch plates a lot easier than with the P365. ....and the Hellcat is actually reliable, I can't say the same for the P365.
I love them both and both are extraordinary subcompacts so it comes down to cosmetics to me. I personnally think the Sig is just a more attractive weapon.
I went with a glock 26 even after both of these had already been out for a year. But imo sig is an automatic no go for me can’t have that reliability issue on my mind with an edc
Even glocks have had issues with new model guns. That’s why they say wait a year minimum... goes for vehicles too. I wasn’t a Sig guy and said something similar, before I got the P365. Hands down best edc for me and several others I shoot with.
That’s very true.. have a glock and love it butt... I also have a Springfield xd which was my first pistol and...haven’t shot it since I got the CZ-P10C! The glock is my edc but looking at maybe a sig m17 or 18
Good video and comparison, but would be great if u all could maybe get personal mics while your in room all together, very difficult to hear u all well and there's and echo in room, just constructive criticism
Late here, just found the video. I own them both, first shot out of the hellcat cut the x out at 21’ but for me the hellcat is snappier and not as fast back on target as the 365. I'm happy with both but the 365 has the slight edge to me.
I shot the Hellcat & a P365XL at a local range. I liked both & shot both equally well but I give the edge to the Hellcat purely because I have larger hands and it felt a little better to me. I'm not a fan of the "U" rear site though. I did see a Hellcat at a local gun shop with a fiberoptic front site. If I were to buy one of those two, that'd be what I get.
I own both plus the glock 43x. I like them all, but my favorite just by a little is the hellcat..just because I seem to shoot it better...but they are all nice and rotate them all every few weeks You can’t go wrong with either of them. They should’ve had the 43x in this battle too
Both are small, not heavy, and reliable. Hellcat won with 1 more round bullet. But wait.. in the end is the same I need to spend $500 more or less. So, at least I chose the good looking ones 😎 Sig TacPac version, comes with 3 x 12 rounds mag😎
Here’s the problem, I had an Xds last year had issues . Called them up emailed them and got the runaround . Sent the gun in and nothing was fixed it was sent back absolutely untouched minus my spare mag. I bought a sigp365 three weeks ago and my slide underneath had some of the black finish missing to the point stainless was showing . Emailed sig and had a brand new slide at my door 5 days later !!!! Besides that finish issue the gun shoots 100% no failures at all
No one mentioned capacity. The hellcat capacity to me definitely should've been mentioned and to me is better gun and I am a Sig fan. I own both and nothing in that size because of capacity compares to the Hellcat. I own a 15 Rd mag for 365 SAS I carry for backup mag because it's to big to carry in the pistol and is not practical.
Pit, Yep my bad. I should have mentioned it even though it’s part of the specs. No the main themes in our review was ergos and comfortably in the hand. In my case, I didn’t prefer the feel of the Hellcat but shockingly enough, I shoot the pistol really well. In your case are you liking the feel of the Hellcat over the P365? Just curious.
Yep, capacity in a micro pistol is what made P365 a ground breaking gun it is today. Yet, these 3 gents not once mentioned about the Hellcat one up & leaped frog the P365. These guys owned p365 for almost a year and are comfortable with their guns, anyone surprised they voted ergonomic to p365? What's even more amusing is one of the guy had better grouping with the Hellcat than P365, was shocked & had his mouth on the floor... Yet he still preferred p365 over Hellcat. Isn't accuracy the most important factor when you're trying to protect yourself? I'm in the market for a micro pistol, was leaning toward p365, but your video just convinced me to get the Hellcat. Thank you.
@@vuvision both are small, compact, and reliable. wait.. 🤔did they mention the dignity? by deciding to choose the original instead of the copycat ..I mean hellcat.
I went to the gun store and asked to see both hellcat and sig p365. I immediately chose the sig p365 because it just felt right on my hand plus I wasn't a big fan of the rear sights of the hellcat. The sig p365 is just perfect out the box!
I will always purchase and do, a Sig Sauer Product instead of any Springfield firearm. I purchase American made and just do not like the history of Springfield. I liked the first P365 so well, I purchased another for my wife. NEVER an issue. GREAT FIREARM.
The review seemed a bit biased toward the P365. Of course there were less customization options for the Hellcat at the time of the review since it was a brand new gun. In addition on the topic of ergonomics most guys that I have spoken to feel strongly that the Hellcat offers a more full-size feel with a beefier handle. It was very surprising to see the panel vote in favor of the P365. I own the Hellcat FDE OSP and I love it! Good guys, very entertaining, but a bit tilted.
I like you guys, but this was somewhat slanted. You give the impression no one wanted to like the Hellcat in the first place, even though two out of three shot it better than the Sig, and one who didn't like the trigger because it wasn't a Sig trigger, even though he shot pretty good with it. Comparing, "customization" on a new gun to one that's been in production for awhile and any customization is proprietary is simply unfair. I just got an IWB holster off ebay for the Hellcat, btw. Ergos: I've noticed, myself included, the mag on the Sig never drops free, forcing the shooter to either pull the mag out with the off hand and manipulating a loaded mag at the same time, or doing some contortion with the shooting hand. This adds time and an extra step in the process. It's something never mentioned, as if it's not polite. I have to attribute this to the backstrap profile. With the Hellcat, it drops free to facilitate reloading. This, to me, would come under, "functionality" which is the main reason I went with the Hellcat. Also, no semi-auto will lock back if your thumb's resting on the slidelock, so the ding in reliability wasn't fair either, especially considering the issues the P365 had when it was first released. It may not sound like it, but like I said, I like you guys.
It's not politically correct in the gun community to like Springfield. I have seen reviewers say that the flat trigger of the Hellcat means nothing to them in a P635 vs Hellcat review, AND THEN turn around and celebrate the flat trigger of the P365 XL in a P365 vs P365 XL review. It's a joke. They're all candyasses for SIG. And for the record, I goddamn love my P365.
It's not politically correct to like GM products but people still own GM products so your point is moot. I have one of the early versions of the P365 and NEVER had and still don't have any issues and I'm at 3300 rounds steel, brass and aluminum FMJ's and HP's. I bought the SIG Flat trigger and put it on my P365 but there's not a lot of difference in my shooting So I wasted $50.00 IMO. One thing some people are experiencing with the Hellcat is the trigger jamming but it's an easy fix if you know how to use a small fingernail file. Look the issue up on RUclips.
@@danielk0106 You shouldn't have to, "fix" a trigger on a new gun. Ever. That's a serious flaw. I'm not talking upgrade either, I'm referring to a failure. You just voided your own statement.
I had a 365 and I just cant trust the reliability of it I had 2 firing pins break on me after 1000 rounds and the primer drag is a issue as well. I have put 3500 rounds through the hellcat not one problem it is the hellcat for me
I actually bought a 365 SAS and have not shot it. nothing available, i wanted either the 365 or the hellcat. once i got the SAS home i realized that you can only point shoot it. no sights (traditional). I am cross eye dominant so lining up the green was gonna be too hard when shooting with my strong hand (left), (yes i can draw and shoot with both but faster with left). So i found a dealer that will swap for new hellcat and i havent looked back. Waiting for it to arrive like a stork carrying a bundled baby to do the swap.
I own a Sig SP2022 and just absolutely love it, so Im kinda bias on Sig as a whole. When they came out with the P365 I was sold on it just because it was a SIG. Just as the same with Glock fans are partial to the G43. But honestly BOTH are superb fireams, I just like my Sig's.
you were sold on it just because it’s a Sig? With the two generations of broken strikers, being a Sig is nowadays a negative. Even the 320 has issues. Sig aint what it used to be.
@JusticeAA Dry firing is never good. Perood. Hence why snap caps were made. And why in a lot of owners manuals they say do not dry fire. But if you want to risk it more power to you.
Hellcat is the only one that I have experience with, I haven't seen any Sig365 for sale. My dark earth Hellcat will have to suffice! Still prefer my full size 1911 for the real win. But whatever you have, is better than no weapon.
I have to say I stopped listening after your customization rating and disregarded everything before. You said mags and holsters and such are hard to find for the hellcat yet GAVE it a 8? That isn't honest. It's not anything really bad against the hellcat in time it will be there but right now doesn't deserve an 8 because the stuff just isn't available. Based on what I have found here customization should be a 2 or a 3. Even then just because of finding stuff on line but even that is limited.
@@ShawnGS300 I've shot both & carried the 365 before switching to the Hellcat. I also used the glock 43 for about 8 months as my concealed carry before the 365. The Hellcat just fits my hand better & I had more capacity out of the box OEM than the 365. As far as the recoil? I'm not a macho guy. I'm 5'8 & 180lbs. To me neither of these are uncomfortable to shoot nor do I think one is snappier than the other & thats comparing the 365, hellcat & 43 all in the same light. I've done range sessions with each one putting over 250 rounds through each & have never felt beat up. Honestly I think the micro 380's are snappier than any of these 3. But that's just my personal experience. I will say the 43 & glock 48 oem triggers rub the bottom of my trigger finger raw getting a blister after about 150 round sessions. But that is more of a design issue & wouldn't have known unless I got the trigger time behind the slim line glocks. To answer your question though the recoil impulse is a little more even with the 365 vs the hellcat but I've shot the hellcat enough now to learn how to settle the sights down just as fast as with my 365.
Rita Thomas ...Why do you prefer the Hellcat over the Sig P365, and what about recoil being snappy that a lot of people are saying? Is the Hellcat more snappy than a .40 cal Glock 27?
@@ShawnGS300 pretty much everything, I like the grip better and it's very controllable it's not near as snappy as I thought it would be and I love the trigger and I was just shooting the HELLCAT yesterday and it's my new favorite the front sight glows in dark the sights are iron and it has shot everything in 9mm I have tried. The HELLCAT is a beast and there's some haters lying on the pistol but after I got it and shot it I liked it way better than the 365 and I got the osp model it's awesome
Man, if only the 365 came optics ready.. I am either purchasing a 365xl or Hellcat soon. I already know I like the standard 365, so I should really like the xl. I just hope its not too big for conceal
AL, While it’s a dependable new pistol, It may not be for everyone. I was completely surprised with how well I shot that gun. Almost mind boggled. 😂 in terms of feel it’s important to touch and hold both of them in order to truly sort them out.
If you base your scores on other data than what you did on your test..then why do the test at all...scoring the Sig a 8 on reliability because of what others have tested it deletes your test..I stopped watching when you said what you said.
Hellcat for me! It’s a man gun!!! That p365 is for a woman to me it don’t have that aggressive recoil it shoot like a person who don’t know how to use a gun should buy that gun first time buyer
🤣It's a man gun? What if I tell you that my sister handle her G19 and Ruger sr9c as good as she handles her P365 , is that makes you think the G19 and Ruger sr9c are lady boy's gun? 🤗
Bass&Brass TV ...Why do you prefer the Hellcat over the Sig P365, and what about recoil being snappy that a lot of people are saying? Is the Hellcat more snappy than a .40 cal Glock 27?
ShawnGS300 I don’t find it snappy or any snappier that the 365 and it fits my hand way better I like the fatter grip and I just all around shoot better with it not to mention the extra rounds
It’s probably a lil more recoil than the Glock because it’s a 3” barrel and it’s way lighter but not much it’s manageable and the gun is way way smaller and holds more rounds it is super reliable that’s another reason I prefer it to the sig because the sig line seems to have problems the p 320 and the 365
It carries like a dream another thing is that grip texture I love it super grippy but not rough on the skin and it feels great in the hand and you get a full 3 finger purchase even with the 11 round mag also I love the sights if you have a Glock it will probably be more natural for you because it has a u notch rear similar to the Glock drop in the bucket sight but way better the hellcat comes standard with the tritium front sight in green with fluorescent yellow around it
No way I'll ever buy another Springfield. I had a Hellcat briefly. The trigger saftey would catch on the frame when it wasn't supposed to. In a defensive situation this is very bad. Springfield just ignored me and my emails and the problem. It's ashame when a company ignores people's saftey and lives because of Greed. No way I'd trust Springfield.
@patrick hill - " It's ashame when a company ignores people's saftey and lives because of Greed. " Wow! You described word for word EXACTLY what Sig did with the P320. Ever heard of the "drop failures" that have resulted in 3 LEO having malfunctions with 2 getting injured....I think it was 2 that actually got hit. And did you all of the sudden forget how unreliable the P365 was (and still is) when they released? And also, yes you did spell "saftey" wrong, it's spelled "safety". lol!
** Poll ** - Which one do you own?
If I was gonna purchase one it would be the 365
Both. Overall like the 365 better, but have been carrying the Hellcat lately.
Sig 365! It comes down to the trigger for me!
365. I like the trigger, the X Ray sights, 15 rd mag as a backup, and my holster configuration.
Would opt for the 365 if I didn’t have a g43 and wasn’t dedicated to the Glock platform.
Both are fantastic. It’ll ultimately come down to what feels better in the hand and on the eye.
I enjoy my P365, but I like my Hellcat a little better.
Chris N. ...Why do you prefer the Hellcat over the Sig P365, and what about recoil being snappy that a lot of people are saying?
Mee to HELLCAT all the way !!!
ShawnGS300 it’s really not the snappy like a lot of people say. With the picky extended for the 11 round magazine it’s very easy to control (and conceal) . Same for the 13 round magazine as well. I prefer the hellcat just how it feels in my hands more than the 365 (that’s personal). Hellcat all the way. Choose the one that feels best in your hands.
Hellcat FDE rocks 🤘🏽
Agreed The Hellcat has a better trigger, better sights, better capacity and seems like build quality is better
I got my Hellcat today. At the Range's gun shop, I was going to purchase a Sig 365, but the sales rep talked me into getting a Hellcat.
Hellcat is to new for some of these categories. Customization and to an extent reliability. I was all set to buy a p365 but I wanted to compare it to a hellcat. For me, ergonomically the p365 is the worst gun i have ever held. Add this to the early failures that sig doesn't own up to but changes things? Hellcat will be my next firearm.
Right on RP! I was at the range yesterday and they shared w me that they sold 5 Sig P365’s and 3 Hellcats on Saturday. They are and are still super hot!
rprovasoli
Reliability?
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Even though I'm a big guy and I wear XXL gloves, but I find the P365 very comfortable with the extended 10 round mags. The flush mag is OK with my pinky tucked under the mag and 2 fingers on the grip. I live in Massachusetts, so we can't get the 12 round mags here legally, but I think they might be ideal for my bear paws
Sent my hellcat back to spring field 3 times with the same issues, will never trust my life on junk.
Wow, this is the first review that I have seen where everyone picks the Sig. Almost always the opposite. Make you wonder??? Sorry boys. It the Hellcat for me.
Yeah it's quite clear which way the bias goes with these guys. They must be Yankee Marshal fanboys, lol!
I see reviews that the individuals prefer the Sig P365 over the Heckcat, most of the time. Both are good, the majority seem to go with the Sig.
@@rickyhogan2749 - The P365 has been out longer and already has a fanbase, also Sig is a much bigger name brand than Springfield Armory and many people still feel angry with Springfield over their political issues concerning the 2nd Amendment. I personally have had many issues with the P365 reliability and can't trust that pistol.
I've been watching a bunch of reviews and only 1 has picked the hellcat 🤔
@@reachblowsdick7222 Buy a Hellcat and then put the SIG Romeo red dot on it? or spend twice as much for the Shield red dot?
The slide didn’t lock because your thumb was in the way.....I would bet.....
100%. I've been able to prove this was the issue with other Springfield micro's as well. It's just how some people hold micro-compacts their thumb is right on the slide release lever on the Springfield micro's.
I'm carrying the Hellcat. I think because of the grip angle it feels like a bigger gun than it is. With my large hands it just fits me better! I'm still going to get the p365 as well. I'm just a gun fanatic!
Love the trigger on the sig I always have. For me sights , shot placement , and the way it felt in my hands is what made the hellcat my current EDC. Great honest video here though.
I like my Sig P365. It feels good in my hands. In conceals perfectly without printing.
I love the sig 365 but would never give sig my money after the way they handled the drop safety issues with the p320 and the early issues with the 365
Great review, Thank you for sharing. P365 for me.
This was fun to watch and informative
They are both great reliable guns. It really comes down to personal preference. My advice is to rent both guns and try them out to see which one you like. Then decide which one you prefer to own. Again both are great reliable guns and it comes down to personal preference.
..after tons of research .. shooting etc ...Hellcat for me ...I actually wanted the Glock 43X ...but the Hellcat one me over .....good video 👍
I don't like the Hellcat ergo's at all and the 365 is very comfortable in my hand. Sights on the Hellcat would have to changed for me, the 365 sights are exactly what I like.
Good reviews - very balanced look at both guns. Enjoyed shooting with you guys at the workshop! Jason
As far as customization when sig came out it took a bit to get the 12 round mag and longer to get the 15 round mag. Holsters were a late arrival. Geez the sig has been out a while wait until the hellcat is out as long and then check availability
The slide lockback issue is actually the way some shooters hold the gun, your thumb is actually holding the slide release lever down. It has to do with the positioning of the slide release lever and the way some people hold micro-compacts. It's actually not the gun itself. Springfield's other micro's would have the same issue for some shooters. I'm not saying it's "your fault" obviously the slide lock lever placement was Springfield's idea, and if it doesn't work with the way you hold it, then you have every right to prefer the other gun for having it in a place where it doesn't do that.
But what I don't understand is how Sig comes out on top on customization when Sig has a proprietary accessory rail. Like seriously, I absolutely do not buy any gun now-a-days that requires proprietary accessories. You guys complain about the availability of Hellcat accessories, but you all know that will come in time. With Sig's proprietary rails, nothing will come in time, keep waiting 20 years and it's still proprietary. Honestly there's no excuse for proprietary attachment points now. H&K used to do that BS back in the day when they didn't care what consumers had to say since they were making a killing with government contracts. But even they have realized they cannot get away with it anymore and all their new models come with universal mounting options. Like, even H&K has come around, how is Sig still putting a proprietary mounting system on it? SMFH
Thanks for doing this. It really came down to these two "pea" shooters for me. I'm going for the p365. Thanks again boys
Nice choice RM!!
Smart move. Springfield doesn't back there products. Once it sold and they got money in there pocket they don't care if it works or not.
Hellcat all the way
Dominique Barr ... Why do you prefer the Hellcat over the Sig P365, and what about recoil being snappy that a lot of people are saying?
ShawnGS300 it feels better in hand and I didn’t notice the recoil being snappier
Thank you!
Sig 365 still my preferred edc. Sold my Hellcat for a Shield Plus and don’t miss it.
I still enjoy my own 365
had (still have) a shield and bought a hellcat. the hellcat conceals easier.
P365 w/ Hogue grip sleeve (or XL grip mod if thats your style), TLR-6, and 12rd mag (add the magguts +2 follower to get the capacity to 14+1)
will turn this pistol into a beast
also being able to interchange the slides and grip mods across the standard, SAS, and XL makes the 365 a winner in my book
Just like mine. Have you tried any Underwood Xtreme Defenders? They're perfect for short barreled pistols because hollow points don't perform consistently through them, but being "barrier blind" fluted solid copper, they perform consistently well. And their reduced weight can further reduce snappiness.
The p365 is my EDC.
I like the the Hellcat though.
In Hank Strange review of the Hellcat they had issues of the slide not locking back alsi and it was because the were riding the slide stop. I haven't shot the Hell cat but that appears to be an issue of ergonomic with the gun. I may end up buying the 365.
Spot on. It’s all about the finger placement.
Rented both and shot them side by side. I bought the P365. The Hellcat gave me what I call the Glock.40 sting from the web of my hand down to the palm with the recoil. The Sig has a better trigger and softer recoil.
Ouch! Yep. Right on DQ!
Same here shot both side by side p365 was the winner
@Dqalex - I shot both side by side. The P365 feels too thin and I hated the trigger. The Hellcat was much better ergonomically and I love the trigger hitting up to 50 yards 12x24 inch plates a lot easier than with the P365.
....and the Hellcat is actually reliable, I can't say the same for the P365.
I am first time gun owner. I am going to the Helcat gun
P365 love it
I love them both and both are extraordinary subcompacts so it comes down to cosmetics to me. I personnally think the Sig is just a more attractive weapon.
Just went from Glock 43 to p365 this week. Previously used the 43 for 2 years
Right on 207! I have a buddy who loves his G43 he wouldn’t give it up just yet.
Still liking the p365? I also have the g43 thinking of switching
@@jmentado10 yes carry it everyday. A little less snappy than 43.
I went with a glock 26 even after both of these had already been out for a year. But imo sig is an automatic no go for me can’t have that reliability issue on my mind with an edc
Even glocks have had issues with new model guns. That’s why they say wait a year minimum... goes for vehicles too. I wasn’t a Sig guy and said something similar, before I got the P365. Hands down best edc for me and several others I shoot with.
That’s very true.. have a glock and love it butt... I also have a Springfield xd which was my first pistol and...haven’t shot it since I got the CZ-P10C! The glock is my edc but looking at maybe a sig m17 or 18
EXACTLY
Good video and comparison, but would be great if u all could maybe get personal mics while your in room all together, very difficult to hear u all well and there's and echo in room, just constructive criticism
Late here, just found the video. I own them both, first shot out of the hellcat cut the x out at 21’ but for me the hellcat is snappier and not as fast back on target as the 365. I'm happy with both but the 365 has the slight edge to me.
Finally! 9mm para is now a useful caliber!
Awesome video! Deffinatly watch if you are stuck on which of these awesome guns to buy. The Sig comes out on top for me with a better feeling trigger.
The Sig is a fine shooter.
The P365 is more aesthetic and isn’t made in Croatia. It also isn’t sold by Springfield, an anti-2A company
I shot the Hellcat & a P365XL at a local range. I liked both & shot both equally well but I give the edge to the Hellcat purely because I have larger hands and it felt a little better to me. I'm not a fan of the "U" rear site though. I did see a Hellcat at a local gun shop with a fiberoptic front site. If I were to buy one of those two, that'd be what I get.
I own both plus the glock 43x. I like them all, but my favorite just by a little is the hellcat..just because I seem to shoot it better...but they are all nice and rotate them all every few weeks You can’t go wrong with either of them. They should’ve had the 43x in this battle too
me too!
i own both.
it's a win win situation
Both are great but hands down the P365 handles better. In my opinion Not as snappy conforms to the hands better and over just feels better.
Both are small, not heavy, and reliable. Hellcat won with 1 more round bullet. But wait.. in the end is the same I need to spend $500 more or less. So, at least I chose the good looking ones 😎 Sig TacPac version, comes with 3 x 12 rounds mag😎
Here’s the problem, I had an Xds last year had issues . Called them up emailed them and got the runaround . Sent the gun in and nothing was fixed it was sent back absolutely untouched minus my spare mag. I bought a sigp365 three weeks ago and my slide underneath had some of the black finish missing to the point stainless was showing . Emailed sig and had a brand new slide at my door 5 days later !!!! Besides that finish issue the gun shoots 100% no failures at all
Great video! Came down to the wire and was a close finish, will you be adding a hellcat to your collection anytime soon?
I’m happy with the Sig P365 but I do shoot the Hellcat well. It’s a perplexing situation.
Daniel on the trigger WAY before pointing down range. Smh
Im sure u were accidentally riding the slide lock
I went with a Hellcat osp :) I'm satisfied.
Love my hellcat!!
No one mentioned capacity. The hellcat capacity to me definitely should've been mentioned and to me is better gun and I am a Sig fan. I own both and nothing in that size because of capacity compares to the Hellcat. I own a 15 Rd mag for 365 SAS I carry for backup mag because it's to big to carry in the pistol and is not practical.
Pit, Yep my bad. I should have mentioned it even though it’s part of the specs. No the main themes in our review was ergos and comfortably in the hand. In my case, I didn’t prefer the feel of the Hellcat but shockingly enough, I shoot the pistol really well. In your case are you liking the feel of the Hellcat over the P365? Just curious.
And sight picture
you're right ..no one mentioned that Sig now comes 3x 12 rounds mag + a holster for the same money , $499
Yep, capacity in a micro pistol is what made P365 a ground breaking gun it is today. Yet, these 3 gents not once mentioned about the Hellcat one up & leaped frog the P365. These guys owned p365 for almost a year and are comfortable with their guns, anyone surprised they voted ergonomic to p365? What's even more amusing is one of the guy had better grouping with the Hellcat than P365, was shocked & had his mouth on the floor... Yet he still preferred p365 over Hellcat. Isn't accuracy the most important factor when you're trying to protect yourself? I'm in the market for a micro pistol, was leaning toward p365, but your video just convinced me to get the Hellcat. Thank you.
@@vuvision both are small, compact, and reliable. wait.. 🤔did they mention the dignity? by deciding to choose the original instead of the copycat
..I mean hellcat.
I went to the gun store and asked to see both hellcat and sig p365. I immediately chose the sig p365 because it just felt right on my hand plus I wasn't a big fan of the rear sights of the hellcat. The sig p365 is just perfect out the box!
Awesome. Enjoy it!
I will always purchase and do, a Sig Sauer Product instead of any Springfield firearm. I purchase American made and just do not like the history of Springfield. I liked the first P365 so well, I purchased another for my wife. NEVER an issue. GREAT FIREARM.
The review seemed a bit biased toward the P365. Of course there were less customization options for the Hellcat at the time of the review since it was a brand new gun. In addition on the topic of ergonomics most guys that I have spoken to feel strongly that the Hellcat offers a more full-size feel with a beefier handle. It was very surprising to see the panel vote in favor of the P365. I own the Hellcat FDE OSP and I love it! Good guys, very entertaining, but a bit tilted.
I like you guys, but this was somewhat slanted. You give the impression no one wanted to like the Hellcat in the first place, even though two out of three shot it better than the Sig, and one who didn't like the trigger because it wasn't a Sig trigger, even though he shot pretty good with it.
Comparing, "customization" on a new gun to one that's been in production for awhile and any customization is proprietary is simply unfair. I just got an IWB holster off ebay for the Hellcat, btw.
Ergos: I've noticed, myself included, the mag on the Sig never drops free, forcing the shooter to either pull the mag out with the off hand and manipulating a loaded mag at the same time, or doing some contortion with the shooting hand. This adds time and an extra step in the process. It's something never mentioned, as if it's not polite. I have to attribute this to the backstrap profile. With the Hellcat, it drops free to facilitate reloading. This, to me, would come under, "functionality" which is the main reason I went with the Hellcat. Also, no semi-auto will lock back if your thumb's resting on the slidelock, so the ding in reliability wasn't fair either, especially considering the issues the P365 had when it was first released. It may not sound like it, but like I said, I like you guys.
I totally agree
It's not politically correct in the gun community to like Springfield. I have seen reviewers say that the flat trigger of the Hellcat means nothing to them in a P635 vs Hellcat review, AND THEN turn around and celebrate the flat trigger of the P365 XL in a P365 vs P365 XL review. It's a joke. They're all candyasses for SIG. And for the record, I goddamn love my P365.
It's not politically correct to like GM products but people still own GM products so your point is moot. I have one of the early versions of the P365 and NEVER had and still don't have any issues and I'm at 3300 rounds steel, brass and aluminum FMJ's and HP's. I bought the SIG Flat trigger and put it on my P365 but there's not a lot of difference in my shooting So I wasted $50.00 IMO. One thing some people are experiencing with the Hellcat is the trigger jamming but it's an easy fix if you know how to use a small fingernail file. Look the issue up on RUclips.
@@danielk0106 You shouldn't have to, "fix" a trigger on a new gun. Ever. That's a serious flaw. I'm not talking upgrade either, I'm referring to a failure. You just voided your own statement.
@@robertkf1 People were buying aftermarket parts to fix their P365's sooooo? Your point is moot. Again
I had a 365 and I just cant trust the reliability of it I had 2 firing pins break on me after 1000 rounds and the primer drag is a issue as well. I have put 3500 rounds through the hellcat not one problem it is the hellcat for me
I actually bought a 365 SAS and have not shot it. nothing available, i wanted either the 365 or the hellcat. once i got the SAS home i realized that you can only point shoot it. no sights (traditional). I am cross eye dominant so lining up the green was gonna be too hard when shooting with my strong hand (left), (yes i can draw and shoot with both but faster with left). So i found a dealer that will swap for new hellcat and i havent looked back. Waiting for it to arrive like a stork carrying a bundled baby to do the swap.
Enjoy it brother. Both guns are selling like hot cakes.
P365 for me
I own a Sig SP2022 and just absolutely love it, so Im kinda bias on Sig as a whole. When they came out with the P365 I was sold on it just because it was a SIG. Just as the same with Glock fans are partial to the G43. But honestly BOTH are superb fireams, I just like my Sig's.
you were sold on it just because it’s a Sig? With the two generations of broken strikers, being a Sig is nowadays a negative. Even the 320 has issues. Sig aint what it used to be.
I own both and shoot the P365 10x better. So, it’s the Sig for me.
2x speed 👌🏽 made the video sound normal
Sig, until hellcat is proven reliable. I broke my striker twice on the hellcat already.
@JusticeAA
Dry firing is never good. Perood.
Hence why snap caps were made. And why in a lot of owners manuals they say do not dry fire. But if you want to risk it more power to you.
Don't dry fire anything without a snap cap
Hellcat is the only one that I have experience with, I haven't seen any Sig365 for sale. My dark earth Hellcat will have to suffice!
Still prefer my full size 1911 for the real win. But whatever you have, is better than no weapon.
If you shoot the hellcat better does it make it a better gun. .? For you it does.
What's the difference in thickness?
I have to say I stopped listening after your customization rating and disregarded everything before. You said mags and holsters and such are hard to find for the hellcat yet GAVE it a 8? That isn't honest. It's not anything really bad against the hellcat in time it will be there but right now doesn't deserve an 8 because the stuff just isn't available.
Based on what I have found here customization should be a 2 or a 3. Even then just because of finding stuff on line but even that is limited.
Same here. This video I sig rated
Great informative video as always! I guess I need a new pistol. Again. Lol 😂
Thanks Thomas! Do we ever stop!? 😂
Man your dude on the left seems super biased!
Totally!!!! Rolls eyes!!!!
Hellcat for the win!
Joshua Reyes ...Why do you prefer the Hellcat over the Sig P365, and what about recoil being snappy that a lot of people are saying?
@@ShawnGS300
I've shot both & carried the 365 before switching to the Hellcat. I also used the glock 43 for about 8 months as my concealed carry before the 365. The Hellcat just fits my hand better & I had more capacity out of the box OEM than the 365. As far as the recoil? I'm not a macho guy. I'm 5'8 & 180lbs. To me neither of these are uncomfortable to shoot nor do I think one is snappier than the other & thats comparing the 365, hellcat & 43 all in the same light. I've done range sessions with each one putting over 250 rounds through each & have never felt beat up. Honestly I think the micro 380's are snappier than any of these 3. But that's just my personal experience. I will say the 43 & glock 48 oem triggers rub the bottom of my trigger finger raw getting a blister after about 150 round sessions. But that is more of a design issue & wouldn't have known unless I got the trigger time behind the slim line glocks. To answer your question though the recoil impulse is a little more even with the 365 vs the hellcat but I've shot the hellcat enough now to learn how to settle the sights down just as fast as with my 365.
Joshua Reyes good information thanks
Slide didn’t lock back because ur finger was covering the slide stop
Definitely the HELLCAT !!
Rita Thomas ...Why do you prefer the Hellcat over the Sig P365, and what about recoil being snappy that a lot of people are saying? Is the Hellcat more snappy than a .40 cal Glock 27?
@@ShawnGS300 pretty much everything, I like the grip better and it's very controllable it's not near as snappy as I thought it would be and I love the trigger and I was just shooting the HELLCAT yesterday and it's my new favorite the front sight glows in dark the sights are iron and it has shot everything in 9mm I have tried. The HELLCAT is a beast and there's some haters lying on the pistol but after I got it and shot it I liked it way better than the 365 and I got the osp model it's awesome
Man, if only the 365 came optics ready.. I am either purchasing a 365xl or Hellcat soon. I already know I like the standard 365, so I should really like the xl. I just hope its not too big for conceal
Rich, I think you would love the XL... Go check them out.
Kinda surprised the Hellcat got so close
AL, While it’s a dependable new pistol, It may not be for everyone. I was completely surprised with how well I shot that gun. Almost mind boggled. 😂 in terms of feel it’s important to touch and hold both of them in order to truly sort them out.
Capacity? 11+1 worth at least a category.
Sig all day
P365 all the way
I came to see how many people would say GLOCK 43X....🤪
Y’all are all wrong it’s the P938 for me.
Sig wins again!
The 365 trigger feels like a BB gun. Hellcat all the way! You gave no rating for capacity? Looked like a rigged review.
ZC M to the y ...Why do you prefer the Hellcat over the Sig P365, and what about recoil being snappy that a lot of people are saying?
I choose the SW 686 😳🤣✌️🍺🇺🇸
Sig all day and night ‼️
JW, nice! Man this informal poll is shaping up to be a landslide.
P365 all-day...
Rock on!!
Hellcat all the way!
If you base your scores on other data than what you did on your test..then why do the test at all...scoring the Sig a 8 on reliability because of what others have tested it deletes your test..I stopped watching when you said what you said.
not really, they watched 2000 rd reviews. they only shot 200 rds, I'd say the 2000 rounds makes more sense
Why are you showing the Viridian C5 on the Hellcat when it doesn't fit it? Deceptive!
Hellcat by a mile. HS Produkt makes the best firearms…
😂 ok 👍
Hellcat for me! It’s a man gun!!! That p365 is for a woman to me it don’t have that aggressive recoil it shoot like a person who don’t know how to use a gun should buy that gun first time buyer
Right on !
thats the dumbest comment🤦♂️, its a woman's gun because they have less recoil.
@@coreydickerson1766 I concur!
🤣It's a man gun? What if I tell you that my sister handle her G19 and Ruger sr9c as good as she handles her P365 , is that makes you think the G19 and Ruger sr9c are lady boy's gun? 🤗
The hellcat is a better gun come down and I will prove it
Hellcat osp
HAD BOTH. BOTH SUCK. GET A GLOCK 26 AND BE DONE. I'm not a glock fanboy by any means but have had them all
I much prefer the hellcat over the p365
Bass&Brass TV ...Why do you prefer the Hellcat over the Sig P365, and what about recoil being snappy that a lot of people are saying? Is the Hellcat more snappy than a .40 cal Glock 27?
ShawnGS300 I don’t find it snappy or any snappier that the 365 and it fits my hand way better I like the fatter grip and I just all around shoot better with it not to mention the extra rounds
It’s probably a lil more recoil than the Glock because it’s a 3” barrel and it’s way lighter but not much it’s manageable and the gun is way way smaller and holds more rounds it is super reliable that’s another reason I prefer it to the sig because the sig line seems to have problems the p 320 and the 365
It carries like a dream another thing is that grip texture I love it super grippy but not rough on the skin and it feels great in the hand and you get a full 3 finger purchase even with the 11 round mag also I love the sights if you have a Glock it will probably be more natural for you because it has a u notch rear similar to the Glock drop in the bucket sight but way better the hellcat comes standard with the tritium front sight in green with fluorescent yellow around it
Springfield hatets.
Disagree
No way I'll ever buy another Springfield. I had a Hellcat briefly. The trigger saftey would catch on the frame when it wasn't supposed to. In a defensive situation this is very bad. Springfield just ignored me and my emails and the problem. It's ashame when a company ignores people's saftey and lives because of Greed. No way I'd trust Springfield.
Same think happened to me
@@franklopez9051 did you send it to Springfield?. I did and they ignored the problem.
@patrick hill - " It's ashame when a company ignores people's saftey and lives because of Greed. "
Wow! You described word for word EXACTLY what Sig did with the P320. Ever heard of the "drop failures" that have resulted in 3 LEO having malfunctions with 2 getting injured....I think it was 2 that actually got hit.
And did you all of the sudden forget how unreliable the P365 was (and still is) when they released?
And also, yes you did spell "saftey" wrong, it's spelled "safety". lol!
patrick hill
Lawdy... you’re here too. Begone!!
@@jonkR96 that Begone stuff only works for Jesus. I take it your not the second coming!
sig sux
Sig fan boys.
Ya it's the Hellcat for me.