Rode Wireless PRO & Deity TC-1 Timecode Jam Sync: Too Good to be True?
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- You might be wondering if the Rode Wireless Pro can be used alongside other timecode systems, to expand its timecode feature to even more cameras on your film set. And it turns out, it’s not a straightforward yes or no. Your mileage may vary depending on the equipment you’re using, and how you have it set up, but in some cases, you can jam sync another timecode system using the Wireless Pro as the master. Stay tuned to hear the good and the bad about my findings when using the Wireless Pro to jam sync the Deity TC-1.
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CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
0:29 The GOOD news
0:57 Shoutout to Rode’s Marketing Team
1:22 Some context about me
1:54 Let me Clarify: My Timecode Workflow
2:26 The THEORETICAL Workaround
2:48 Deity TC-1: TCXO Timecode Generator
3:13 CONFIRMED: Rode Wireless Pro has TCXO with 0.5PPM Accuracy
3:36 So that must mean…
3:50 Practical Demonstration
4:10 The THEORY
4:59 The REALITY (It’s bad news)
5:49 Firmware Update?
6:06 The Verdict for TC-1 Users
6:21 Outro
Corrections:
3:53 THIS HAS NOW BEEN FIXED WITH FIRMWARE VERSION 1.2.3
4:11 USE RODE CENTRAL TO UPDATE ALL 3 UNITS TO V1.2.3
4:21 Once the Wireless Pro is updated to V1.2.3, set the Rode RX to TC5 mode, and the TC-1 should now detect the EXT signal
4:31 In this video, I was running V1.1.9, and Rode Central did not show any new firmware updates until the Rode Central app itself was updated
4:41 So make sure you are running the latest version of the Rode Central app, and then check again for firmware updates
5:17 My theory was correct, and I tested this afterwards by passing the Rode's output through an amplifier
5:23 As soon as I fed it through an amplifier, the TC-1 detected the signal no problem. (Rode was running V1.1.9)
5:28 Once I updated to 1.2.3, it worked fine WITHOUT needing the amplifier 
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UPDATE: Rode have now fixed this with a firmware update 🎉 I have added Captions from 3:53 onwards explaining what the issue was, how you can update your devices, and what the expected behaviour should now look like following the update.
Am able to sync devices now but still couple frames off like the other method via recorder boost. How about you?
I'm glad it's fixed. RODE states that this is fixed with the following firmware versions: RODE Central (v2.0.34); Case (v1.0.2); Wireless PRO (v1.2.3).
So just wanted to confirm with you, by "this issue" you mean they fixed the issue with the audio levels being too low to be recognized by the TC-1? So you are now successfully able to sync the TC-1 with the Rode Wireless Pro? This will make a difference on whether I purchase the Rode or not, since timecode is vital to my workflow! TIA
Yes, that is correct@@jessetodd
I had the same problem initially while attempting to jam-sync my Zoom F6 with the Rode Wireless Pro. The F6 was simply not detecting a timecode signal. However, when I changed the Timecode Mode to "Timecode 5" and set the "Manual" Output Gain to 0db using the Rode Central app on my iPhone, it worked perfectly.
Just tried this again, but sadly no luck. Thanks for the suggestion.
I simply boosted the signal with a handheld recorder. It is clear the tc. Level is simply too low for some devices. F6 and ultrasync both picked up the time code no probs. Just simply boost the tc level. Simples!
Confirming this works. Thanks, Chris. I had considered adding an amp into the chain, but never thought to use something like one of my Tascam pocket recorders to just boost the signal. This should therefore absolutely be fixable by Rode as surely all they need to do is boost the default LTC output dB. Thanks for the heads up!@@crisfells3981 Edit: This workaround seems to add around 1-2 frames of latency, from what I can see when using the DR-10L Pro pocket recorder to boost the Rode's output.
Probably needs an analogue boost for zero latency eg headphone amp! 👌
I already returned my Rode wireless Pro unit after trying and failing at this same setup with the diety TC-1 units. Was waiting for a video like this to confirm I wasnt crazy in getting them to work together. So disappointed. Hopefully the diety PR-2 lav mics will be out soon!
My understanding is they should be released soon (late September) but I’ve seen conflicting info about that online. They look like a very promising option if you don’t need the wireless functionality - I’d likely replace my Tascam DR-10L Pros with the PR-2s once released.
It works great with the TC-1!! You have to update the firmware on everything first, and make sure you have the correct settings prior to jamming the RODE RX into the TC1 Master
It makes a whole lot of sense to be able to jam-sync the RODE Wireless Pro to an external timecode source as well. I'm surprised this isn't supported. In my current workflow, I sync my TC-1s to my MixPre II where the MixPre II is the heartbeat of my setup. I would prefer to jam-sync the RODE receiver to the MixPre II - that makes more sense to me from a workflow perspective.
Btw - Anyone know what the latency is for the RODE Wireless Pro?
Rode needs to see this. The Rode unit should at least be able to send output without any problem. Another proves it's too early to call Rode unites Pro timecode. But the most crucial part is Rode letting their units receive timecodes and not only be a master. That will open more sales for them. I heard Deity is about to announce something soon and might have us waiting to buy this. I still have one Rode Pro for a single-camera interview shot.
Time will tell, but for now I’m going to share this video with their support team and see if there’s a quick solution.
I'm running into the same issue. But what if we use the phone apps accordingly to set both systems to time of day? The Rode defaults to time of day. And the Deity app allows for a 'time of day" sync off the phone... Would that result in an accurate sync? You'd basically be syncing both systems off time of day from phone. I'll be testing this tomorrow.
With this approach, you have to keep in mind that the whole point of timecode is that everything is FRAME accurate. If you rely on setting time of day via apps/computer clocks, you'll most likely not have the two systems accurate to within a frame of each other. You'd need to nudge everything in post. I would be curious to know how you get on, however, so please do report back after you've tested it!
Have you updated your Rode Wireless Pro to the latest firmware? The issues I reported in this video have been fixed in Firmware 1.2.3 on the Wireless Pro. You need to update your Rode Central App before you'll be able to install the newest firmware on your kit.
Also check that your TC-1s are running the latest firmware, too. You can download this from the Deity website and install it on your TC-1s via a USB thumb drive and a USB-C adapter.
I actually got it working great. I jam the RODE RX into the TC1 Master, then sync the TC1 Master to the slave jams. So it works!!!! Just had to figure out the right settings
@@joeunsworth Firmware updates aside, I figured out how to successfully jam the Rode Receiver's timecode into my Deity TC-1 Master. It all now functions as advertised for me. There seems to be a learning curve with the RODE apps GUI. The toggle switches seem to serve no function... to select the proper mode, you have to press on the header text of the TC mode, rather than the "toggle switch." Rode needs a GUI update. End of day though, it works!!!
Unfortunately the timecode levels in TC-1settings drop to -29db compared to the -12 db levels I was getting using the TC-5 setting.
My Tascam DR-701D doesn't;t detect timecode from the Rode using TC-1, only TC-5. This is using firmware 1.2.8 which is current at the moment.
My question is if I have 2 set of Rode Wireless Pro, will they share the same timecode? Since Wireless Pro can only be the master clock, I don't mind to use something like Deity TC1, but I am not sure if that will only work on one set of Wireless Pro.
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Thanks for your notice, that's good enough for now~ and have a good day~
What do you do when you need more laveliers then two? Hoe does timecode sync then?
My Canon C70 also doesn’t accept the signal from the Wireless Pro to the timecode port via the 3.5 to BNC cable I have. I thought they would have tested it further than this. I hope there’s a way to update it.
My guess right now would be an upcoming firmware update to address these types of issues. Rode have been extremely transparent so far so I have no concerns there. I'd suggest you pass your experience onto their support team though, if you haven't already.
Glad I’m not the only
One with this issue. R5c tho
@@AliBFilms Yes that is kind of reassuring actually, if it’s not working for a lot of people they’ll have to fix it I’d hope.
Rode said that the time code are SMPTE time code standard. I just wonder that what is the SMPTE time code standard support doc !? And also Deity support SMPTE High Frame Rates ... and RODE: The Wireless PRO uses the SMPTE (Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers) timecode standard with LTC encoding (Linear Timecode) ... are they in the same standard !?
I think I'll wait for the Deity Theos version of the Rode Wireless Pro. I love the Deity TC-1 and might as well stick to the same ecosystem.
The Theos and the rode pro a two different systems that share some similarities. But I guess since Rode was first out the gate… Anyway, I wouldn’t confuse the two even if your use case is the same with either product. In terms of functions, the Theos kit is more that double the price with a lot more on offer Vs the Rode, that may or may not be in your favor.
I’ve got a Theos kit pre-ordered as well, and am happy to make the jump but I also know I’ll be giving up some of the streamlined process that Rode, DJI, and others offer to make it work.
Is it compatible with deity C23 cable for sony fx3?
Yes
Ahhhhh dang was hoping this would work. Been on the fence about jumping into the TC1 ecosystem. Rode def should see this. But I feel like it might be on the Diety side of things… I can jam my MixPre3ii from the Rode WP RX no problem! So something with the Diety might be funky.
Yep, this is why I’m wondering (and overlaid some graphics in the video) to query whether it would be fixed by a firmware update on Rode’s side, or on Deity’s side. It could be either - the WiPro is definitely sending the TC out of the headphone jack, I hear it loud and clear in my headphones. But it’s not as loud as what comes out of the Deity port through the same headphones - I could be way off the mark, but my guess is on a line/mic level issue at this point.
I’ve proven my own theory, with the help of another commenter. The deity can be jammed successfully, you just need to boost the signal out of the Røde, first. Actively discussing this with Røde support to see how quickly they can resolve via FW. Will release a new video once I’m happy.
@@joeunsworth niceee, that’s awesome to hear! Will be on the lookout for an update!
@@joeunsworth hey there’s a new update for the RWP and it might fix your jam issue!
Quick question for everyone concerned about TC sync. Why does TC sync matter these days? I've been a professional editor for over 20 years. 20 years ago it definitely mattered but today if you're editing in say Adobe Premiere it automatically syncs for you. Gone are the days of manually lining up tracks and hoping. Am I missing something? I've got the tentacle sync e and it won't sync with my a7s III but it takes me maybe two minutes to get everything fully synced in my timeline when I start an edit. I'm sincerely interested in knowing what the big deal is. The only thing I can think is if your camera is too far from the subject to pick up a reference audio to sync with inside Premiere. I personally don't run into that too often and it can be quickly solved with a clap.
Syncing in Adobe certainly isn't automatic, you still need to drag clips more-or-less into the right place on your timeline, select, right click, sync audio, it's a tedious process for me when a shoot could have over 100+ takes per day. That's before considering multi-cam coverage of events where there are different cameras and recorders in different locations, but you still need a chronological edit or the ability to line up all the cams in post - festivals, weddings, conferences etc where you might not have easily-syncable reference audio. Sure, maybe you could get by relying on internal camera clocks, but then that's one more thing to have to worry about setting in all the crew's cameras. When I make my notes during production, they're based on the timecode synced to an iPad app; this then saves so much time when working with remote editors, because they wouldn't know where "that perfect take" happened, as they weren't on-set - so my notes will include all the timecode references that are accurate down to the nearest second or so. Those are the main things I like about working with TC personally, but just for syncing tracks up in post, sure, that can be done manually if you want to take a bit more time to do so and the team on production followed process and set everything up properly to make your life as easy as possible in post.
@@joeunsworth All fair and good points. I guess when I say automatic I'm comparing it what I was doing 20 years ago which was the furthest from automatic as you could get. It was painful, so the current options seem like Heaven. With that said you make valid points about multi-cam shoots, especially of the magnitude you're talking about. Most of my shoots are talking heads with 1 or 2 cameras and then I rarely use the audio from any b-roll I'm shooting and the order of the footage doesn't really play a role outside of recalling in my own head when I got a shot. So obviously we're talking two different beasts here. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I appreciate it.
TC is a lifesaver on the long multicam shoots I'm doing. The auto sync functionality in Premiere is great, but it's not bullet proof on longer clips. Overall it saves me hours with all the projects I have in my production pipeline.
Oh man, I can only imagine - I bet you have seen some incredible changes during your time as an editor, big respect. And no problem at all! The whole reason for me doing this is to try and share insights where I can. It's awesome to have you here with so much experience in the industry. @@davebattle74
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Thank you!
Nuts. It works with tentacle fully confirmed by several users. So happy I went tentacle. I will confirm with my rode as soon as it arrives. On tentacle slate app you can even sent tentacle timecode to GoPro via a GoPro beta firmware that works the last year and now with the brand new GoPro hero 12 released today it’s out of beta and fully integrated using the tentacle slate app. Tentacle also syncs with Instamic for timecode as well. So so so happy I went all in on tentacle sync
Damn, kinda wish I’d gone with tentacle now too! 🙃 the GoPro bit is crazy. Fair play to GoPro that’s a great feature.
@@joeunsworth yep, I’ve been using the GoPro 11 in a beta firmware where you show it this QR code from the tentacle app. It flashes on screen with a green tic and then it has its timecode. Seams to hold the timecode as well and has worked perfect since I started doing it
Receiver is lacking headphone port. Funny that Rode includes timecode connection for the camera but there is no way to monitor the audio during use of the timecode, camera operator will just have to wait for the playback, since timecode is already a lot of convenience better not include too much or it might make sense.
You should be able to monitor audio from your camera's headphone jack. If your camera doesn't support changing the audio output settings (i.e. only output the left channel to headphones), then you can get around this by using a stereo breakout cable. You connect your headphones to one channel of the breakout cable, and then you'll only hear the mixed audio from the transmitters, without the timecode audio deafening you. It's not ideal, but it works.
It works on my tentacle sync TC boxes.
I wish the TC numbers were on the screen though. Just for more confidence that all the numbers physically look the same more than anything else. 😂 I will still probably snag the Deity units though when they come out. The pros will be great for some of the lower tier projects I do.
@@kevinbatts2804 the TC numbers on the Rode? You can see them by pushing the right button on the bottom of the receiver 3 or 4 times. Then you get a nice visual confirmation that they’re the same.
I eventually got it working by adding an amp into the chain. So my theory was correct of the Røde output volume not being loud enough.
Is your TC-1 detecting the Rode’s timecode without you needing to boost it through an amp? If so, what’s you’re exact setup / process? Curious to know if I have a fault somewhere.
Ah; ignore me. I completely misread your comment. Tentacle Sync E doesn’t have a screen but you should see the TC numbers in their app I guess. My comment above is still relevant for you seeing the same numbers on the Røde unit.
brah, youre talking head lighting is insane.
Can't you just jam the Rode using a TC1 as the output?
Unfortunately not, the Rode cannot be jammed by another Timecode generator, and they make this quite clear in their marketing materials. The positive though is that this has been fixed, and the wireless pro CAN jam the TC-1, after a firmware update on Rode's side. (I added a pinned comment, and added captions in the video itself, explaining this).
Hello, thanks for this. I'm jamming my Tentacle Sync E from the Wireless Pro in mode 5, no problemo. The only annoying thing is that I have to connect the wireless pro to the Mac to change the TC mode (I'm shooting with Mode 1 to have a listening headphones connected to my FX6 and use 2 or 3 more A7III or IV for the cutaways, connected with Tentacle Esync). This would be great if we can change the TC mode of the wireless pro "on the go" from the receiver without the need of a computer...) All the best, Franck. @@joeunsworth
OK yes it is real time code and yes it works with deity tc-1 the instructions folks are giving here need a little ADJUSTMENT. # 1 turn off blutooth on the deity tc1 devices set to auto jam and L-in thats inportant IF YOU HAVE BLUTOOTH TURNED ON YOU WONT SEE THE LIN so check that first . then setup tc on wireless and use it to JAM THE DEITY TC-1 yes it works i just jammed canon r7 and blackmagic pmcc 6kPro and 3 deity tc-1s
TC could be simple if it was implemented via BlueTooth (Blue UltraSynch) if a standard protocol was agreed on and implemented in mics (TASCAM DR-10 Pro). No cables, extra dedicated TC modules, hold your mouth right etc. The huge potential market of creators are not aware of the new possibilities and so the demand is low. The current state of Time Code tech is so contorted that those that attempt it are severely punished for their effort. The confusion here is yet another testimony to this miserable state. It is really and eye opener to use the UltraSync Blue time code master to link time code to a number of TASCAM DR-10L Pro 32 bit float solid state recorders and multiple iPhones running Filmic Pro. No cables and adapters, just the Bluetooth link to the recorders and iPhones from the UltraSync Blue module. Collect the media files and one click in your favorite editor and things are synched. No hassles and help from your 4th grade teacher required. It could be simple for everything but the market is currently unaware.
Here's a video that shows how to adjust the gain to make sure your it works with the Deity TC-1
ruclips.net/video/pBwqlqAjcbI/видео.html
Yup you jumped the gun!
To be fair, if you watch this one to the end, my original comments do still ring true, mostly!
Hey bro, i would recommend you take this video down now that the problem has been fixed. A lot of people wont turn on subtitles and see that this has been resolved
Rode scammed it, time code from rode wireless pro is a scam 😅.I believe just return your product.
I think that’s a bit harsh, especially given their excellent responses / marketing materials released so far to the community’s questions. But I definitely think there maybe needed to be more testing done on this before being released. Let’s see what kind of fix they can come up with!
@@joeunsworth I am bit angry because here in India the cost of Rode wireless pro is 602$(US). And the first though came in my mind was scam . So that's the reason I went bit harsh . One of my friend told me he was unable to setup time code on his Canon camera . And it looked like to me a scam but when I saw your video my mind was like it's really a big issue and in India if we buy any rode product we cannot return it back they have no return policy but they will repair it. I have to use this type of words its looks like you guys can at least return that and get your cash amount what you have paid . Yes 32bit is big thing but can you please confirm that does it really work non stop for 7 hrs without charging , if it does then do we really get all recordings in that 7 hrs. I don't know if I should spend 600 dollars very much confused !
Which camera is your friend using and what issue did he face when trying to set up timecode? You are correct that in Europe we can return products under some circumstances, I will test the battery life in the coming days and I'll let you know how it performs for me. If you have the transmitter set to "Always" record mode, and you power on the transmitter for 7 hours, then you would indeed have 7 hours of audio files. I have noticed that after every 60 minutes, it splits the recording into a new file. So if you recorded for 7 hours straight, you should have 7 files each one hour long. If you are using the other record mode, you would only have recordings for the time periods where you pushed the record button, either on the transmitter directly, or on the receiver (you can configure it such that the Rode button on the receiver starts/stops recordings). @@jasbirsanyal