One of the great things about being a Lexus/Toyota owner is I can think fondly of my paid for 8 year old Lexus in the garage while watching this and have no urge whatsoever.
Got my 4Runner in 2006 and mechanically it is pretty much the same thing as a brand new one. Under 150k iplan on driving til it decintegrates (no snow/salt so should be a while)
I love that the TX and GX are available at the same time. TX is for the people who want more refinement, slightly easier step in height, and don't care about the 4banger. GX is for those who want the more refined powertrain or those who may want to occasionally tow. I wonder how close they will be in price once the GX pricing is released.
@@upshifter5316 I have two GX and dont know of a single person other than TFL that ever took their GX off road. I'm sure its been done , but haven't seen it. As to the TX, I've driven both it and Grand Highlander and the 4cylinder , even in max model, can be best described as anemic with a load of passengers. Add full fuel and luggage and suddenly that 4 cylinder is the lil engine that couldnt. As we say in drag racing, there's no replacement for displacement.
These Lexus drive trains are making them more difficult for people to pick this over the Toyota counterparts. The V6 made Lexus unique. I don’t know if they can be competitive without it. Great video SG!!
There is a 550h+ with the 3.5 V-6 as a plug in hybrid with over 400hp. These reviewers should have been clear this is the 350 only but it’s not the only option.
@@MikeForsythebut unfortunately this means that getting the 3.5L v6 in general in the TX will be significantly more expensive than getting a naturally aspirated v6 in just about anything else
I've had my TX for about 4 weeks now and I'll say this: The Mark Levinson system IN THIS CAR isn't worth the extra 1k. Don't get me wrong, it isn't total trash but I didn't really get the mark Levinson feel until I cranked it past volume level 25ish. For reference I listen to Hip Hop, RnB, Classical and movie cinematic soundtracks. When put past 25, the bass can get deep like a Chicago deep dish pizza. But less than 25 was a bit hard to get the Mark Levinson feel. So, if I have passengers I don't want to have to yell over the sound system. But when I'm by myself I let it BLOW and it does have good sound clarity. So, when alone I sing and can't hear myself over the music hahaha.
Stunned to see you compare the turbo 6 in the Type S to the 4 banger in the Lexus. I own both the TLX Type S and the new Lexus NX 350. The powertrain in the Acura is smooth, sounds great and has effectively no turbo lag. The 4 cylinder in the Lexus is the opposite. It's barely suitable for a compact SUV. Can't imagine it in a full-size, three row.
That’s because this is the base I-4 Turbo. it makes 275hp and 317lbs of torque. More than the TLX base or Aspec. It’s perfectly fine as a base motor. The TX 500h F Sport Performance has a 366hp I-4 turbo hybrid with 409lbs of torque. Significantly more than the tlx or mdx type s. The TX 550h+ is a 3.5 V-6 plug in hybrid. The V-6 in the type s is unfortunately slowest in class with the worst mpg in class. Heaviest too. But yea it’s a V-6 lol
@@MikeForsythe none of what you said is relevant to my post. They compared the Turbo 6 in the MDX Type S to the 4 banger in the TX 350 and said they were comparable. That's what I'm responding to.
@@cultofmodernism8477 actually it is because they shouldn’t be comparing the base model TX 350 to the mdx type s. They should be comparing the more powerful TX 500h F SPORT Performance to the Type S. 🙂
@@cultofmodernism8477I think their comparison to the Type S V6 was for how it sounds, not for how it performs. I was a bit surprised by what they said too.
Hell yesss more 3 row suv goodness, im sure Mark couldnt contain his excitement when Jack told him what he had booked next! Inject more 3 rows into my veins auto industry!
The more i see the TX the more I’m liking the styling, at first I hated it but now I think it’s actually very attractive. I’ve driven the turbo 4 in the NX and while it has a lot of torque, I do agree that it’s a little rattly, but the hybrid max version in the grand Highlander is the opposite, it’s very smooth and refined imo, and I’m willing to bet that it’s even more refined on the TX, I’m also happy to hear that it’s quite and comfortable as I felt the NX was a little too stiff, granted I was in an F-sport trim. One of the main Achilles heel of the MDX imo is that it’s not nearly as big as the dimensions suggest despite being based on the Pilot platform, the 3rd row is too small, it’s closer to the size of the regular Highlander. The TX solves that main gripe for me
I just replaced my NX tires just recently to non runflats. It’s the 350 f sport version and it drives amazing now. Granted it’s a given that any normal tire would ride far better than the OEM runflats, I am just appalled that Lexus does not equip them (especially the f sport versions) with normal tires from the factory. What’s even more upsetting is that if you remove the trunk storage bins you have enough space to put a spare tire.
@@RellupNorth Correct. I’m holding on to my 2017 RX solely for its NA V6. Was disappointed in the new RX drivetrain, specially that’s it’s priced at $98k for a loaded one, and was considering to upgrade to the TX once it was teased, hoping it’ll have a V6. Long commutes at 90mph in hot dry weather in a hybrid or a turbocharged powertrain is so inefficient.
I agree, the 4 cylinder is a real turn off. You know, if they put two of those 4 pots side by side and coupled them to distribute the power stroke and balance the reciprocating pistons...
in my opinion - the interior does not appear 'luxurious' (at least looking at it in videos). If I were cross shopping with a Mazda CX-90, for example, I'd think the Mazda was a much more expensive car. Toyota had some nice interiors in their Lexus cars about 10 years ago - but now, they are just plain with little to no real attempt at design. Recently, Mazda and Hyundai/Kia are at least thinking outside the box and using new-ish materials and colors in their cars. Toyota reliability is top notch - but they really need to hire new designers.
I'm a baby boomer and to me, luxury cars have real wood in their interiors. I'd love to put this TX side-by-side with a top trim Palisade or Telluride and give them a good looking over. While the Korean twins don't have wood either (that I can remember?) they also aren't sold as luxury cars - for that go see Genesis. I suspect where the TX wins over the others is in NVH and ride control, which is what the reviewers were saying. So which one is more important? An individual decision (obviously.)
The new integration of Toyota Connected leads me to agree with you wholeheartedly. I think Mazda's approach, with less screen, more physical controls, and more of a focus on design is both more visually and mechanically pleasing - but then again, I'm interacting with screens for 8+hr a day for work and want them as invisible in my car as possible, so I may be the exception, rather than the rule.
That's my confusion: generally, they were talking as if they would be cross shopped. A regular Tahoe makes more sense. What do I know anyway? I'll never be buying a "utility vehicle" of any sort. I do appreciate and enjoy their coverage of mass selling vehicle types I could care less about.
Excellent review of this vehicle this week. I think you hit all the relevant points that would matter in the segment. I would also add, that coupled with all the points you made, the potentially better reliability and ultimately greater resale value would put this car at the top of the pile.
Cross shop this against the Hyundai Pallaside Calligraphy. The Pallaside has a nicer interior and is more comfortable. Yes, the Pallaside isn't a "luxury" car I know, but the TX isn't a step up from it. The exception would be the 500h trim. I ended up purchasing a fully loaded Palisade Calligraphy over the TX. No regrets.
Having been at the Hyundai dealership yesterday with my Genesis, downside is the dealership. Older salesman was a bit embarrassed when I had to ask together unblocked, because they had blocked me in my parking spot.
A lot of talk about price I would love a class cost comparison shown and then a options comparison for the vehicle. a great add to the entire series going forward.
very nice. I think this should have been a hybrid-only as a base model, as should nearly every vehicle in this class in this day and age. Not sure why you're hard on it for having a 4cyl; these aren't going on enthusiastic drives to Macy's. My issue is that it isn't a hybrid (at the very least). But a 200-mile range PHEV? God damn, now we're talking! We have a Highlander (previous gen) and love it, despite the uninspiring drive and road handling characteristics. It's massive, comfy and luxurious. The 2GR-FKS definitely sounds nice and angry, but I'd rather be getting a fuel economy below 10L/100km.
I was in the market for a 3-row SUV recently. The TX was in my shopping list but after seeing the price tag, the trims, and styling I changed my mind. It is expensive, ugly, and underpowered for what it is. The hybrid model looks like an appealing package (forget the styling for a moment), but it is overpriced and comes with captains chairs only. I have a large family and bench seat is not even an option in the hybrid drive train. I ended up getting an MDX for a lot less money than a mid-trim TX. Basically, I sacrificed the space and got a very smooth drive train, nicer styling, and a smaller price tag. We will see what the long-term outcome of this decision going to be.
You’re gonna like the MDX better in my opinion because the styling is better and the interior materials is a whole lot better Lexus used to have interiors where they had a cut and sewn theme and they used to wrap leather on every panel. Now they’re interiors are becoming basic boringand to me they just don’t feel as luxurious as Lexus of old
I was in the market for an SUV and I thought the same. The Lexus RX was way overpriced and so I ended up with an Acura RDX A spec; I couldn't be happier! The MDX is a badass too!
@@danielruth7379 Agreed. The interior of the TX did not look like $60k car interior. I guess it is practical and all, but it feels like copy+paste interior in all Lexus products.
@@jean-luceyesofyoureyes5502 I am truly impressed by the smoothness of the drivetrain in MDX. I have had Toyotas, Hondas, Mazdas, in the past and still own a Lexus; if I knew that Acuras are so smooth, I would have gotten Acuras instead of the other brands.
I'm still in the same boat you were in. The lack of 2nd-row bench seat in the Hybrid Max (or whatever Lexus calls it) drivetrain is a non-starter (same problem as Grand Highlander.) MDX is looking better and better but my wife thinks it's not big enough.
I think the route you took it on was fitting to show off the dynamics all things considered when in the Midwest/Illinois, improved dynamics aren't going to matter that much until you hit a corner.
If only Toyota had developed their own inline 6 for the new Supra... They could have made a naturally aspirated or lightly boosted version for their luxury models... So they wouldn't feel like driving a Corolla.
@@LoneWolfSparty Well that's why I meant engineer a new one, hahaha. Theoretically they could even use the 2JZ block and just completely engineer a new head and it would work. I was thinking something a bit more modern though.
I dont get what they were thinking with the way they optioned out the trims. The 500 doesn't offer 7 seats, air suspension, massage seats and then only the 500 luxury trim has the panoramic roof. The low end tx350 is 10k more than the grand highlander's hybrid max top end model but only has the 4 cylinder. But if you get the tx equivalent hybrid engine (500h) then you lose 7 seats and pay 15k. They're forcing me to get the highlander hybrid max. I don't want that. I want the lexus hybrid engine with captains chairs and 3 seats in the third row for a luxury feel for adults, while the kids sit in the back. If, and only if I had that, then they STILL don't offer air suspension or massage seats, which I would totally spring for.
X7 is a great 3-row SUV, you're going to miss the amazing handling and legendary inline 6. But the TX is just roomier and has way more cargo space when the third row is occupied. Still, personally, I would find that a hard trade to make.
@@HiddenWen It depends on why you need the three-row. If it's strictly for carting rug rats around and loading up on food at Costco, the drivetrain stuff probably matters a bit less. Being able to actually get in and out of the third row easily is going to quickly pay dividends. I say this as someone who grew up with 6 siblings and had to pile in and out of the third row of a Yukon XL all the time.
cx-90 is much more sporty, per say, firmer but also more road & wind noise IMO. The ride quality of the TX is smoother and quieter. If you want to feel the car more, go Mazda, if you want an easy driving, comfortable, and quieter ride go TX
I've always been a lexus owner and love the overall reliability and customer service. I'm starting to lean to Genesis and am torn but they seem to look better but not sure that is a selling point.
Great car. Tried to talk my wife into it but she just didn't like it. Mazda is the ultimate value proposition for well dressed cars with buttoned down driving and classy looks
This confirms that I will not trade in my 2022 V6 Highlander Limited for the Lexus TX 350. I live in a cold place and hybrids do not work here. Plus, the lithium hybrid batteries hold less of a charge each passing year that you park it outside or even use it outside in the snow and ice. Toyota needs to bring back the V6 engines since fuel economy is about the same as the V4. The GX is an option as well as the 4runner for now until they pull those and make those hybrid too. Then I will be changing brands.
One thing I don't get is why they require premium fuel if it only makes 10 horsepower more than a Grand Highlander. Thats an extra five grand in fuel costs over ten years for almost no additional performance. They also should have a removable middle seat like an MDX.
I was very much interested in this and watching this helped me realize how much I would hate it in real life. I am now think I should save up for a used (Pre-Pandemic, 2017-18) Toyota Land Cruiser and hopefully keep it until I die.
Sorry, I need my lexus built in Japan. A takumi is eating dinner with their family right now, wondering if there's anything they could have done better.
For what exactly? Track work..absolutely. Taking the family up to the lake...not likely. The i-Force max drivetrain absolutely craps all over the mileage of the MDX Type S.
What is the point guys of showing underneath the vehicles if you are not going to remove the covers?? It doesn't take much to take off the covers so we can see what lies beneath.
Some luxury IS about value - the value being the sense of serenity derived from a well isolated, whisper quiet, comfortable, confidence inspiring, smooth riding vehicle. My luxury vehicle is the most serene place I spend time, more so than my house or office. To make my home or office more serene than my car would cost more than the delta between a grand hylander and a Lexus (for example) and thats assuming it would even be possible to create similar serenity in such spaces.. Lets also not undervalue the potential health benefits and healthcare savings from spending time every day in a peaceful place where the daily chaos momentarily disappears - blood pressure drops, serotonin increases; contrast that to stress inducing driving experiences - that IS value.
The turbo 4 should have been diesel, but CA (the largest market for boats like this) have discouraged manufacturers from offering non-truck diesels. . I don't want a hybrid, because I don't lease vehicles. So I guess I'm no longer their desired demographic (35-55 who don't know anything about vehicles and just want a toaster).
I understand that it is not as refined as the Lexus TX, but how does the 2023 or 2024 Chevy Traverse compare being that they are both family oriented 3-row SUVs? Also, does anyone know if it can handle minor off road needs with the AWD?
The length of this video pretty much summarizes the general impression of this vehicle….smh. Sadly, this is one of those cases where the economy version looks better than the luxury one.
I love how you guys forget about the QX and Armada... Around the same price but has a V8... Already had most of the technology that this Lexus has... 10 years ago literally. You guys literally mentioned every competitor but the QX & Armada...
External, it actually looks decent for a recent Lexus. Oh man! First the next gen MB E class goes back to elegant looks. Now Lexus... Geez, sanity is returning to planet autos?
@@MikeForsythe its facts bro “Audi outfits the entry-level Q7 45 TFSI with a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine developing 261 hp and 273 lb-ft of torque. An eight-speed automatic transmission and Quattro all-wheel drive are standard. Audi claims that the Q7 takes 6.7 seconds to accelerate from 0 to 60 mph. A more powerful engine comes equipped with the Q7 55 TFSI variant. A 3.0-liter turbocharged V-6 develops 335 hp and 369 lb-ft of torque. This powerplant is also paired with an eight-speed automatic transmission and all-wheel drive. In accordance with the improved output, 0-60 mph drops to just 5.7 seconds with this setup.“ So your beloved TX350 with more power and torque is significantly slower than the base Q7 😆 And the TX500h F Sport Performance is as fast as a Q7 45 TFSI but still slower than the Q7 55 TFSI🤣 What Audi q7 does 0-60 in 8 seconds? Oh yeah NONE OF THEM 😆
I’m not a fan of the front facia. Most new Lexus suv models aren’t that great for front facia. The new GX looks ON point but don’t like the v6 turbo powertrain
I really want a cross between a Chevy Suburban and a Porsche Cayman that allows me to simultaneously flex on the other school moms and put my kids far enough away to comfortably ignore them while I contemplate the most cut-throat way to evict my renters. Is this the car for me?
There was a time when Lexus was a real Mercedes/BMW challenger. Now they are a ‘better Toyota’ in my view but cost about the same as a Mercedes/BMW. I don’t get it.
If my budget is $60k tax included, would you recommend a max optioned 2021 x7 40i or the base TX? The Toyota dealerships want $57.5k for a Limited trim Grand Highlander, which includes a $12k dealer markup and the wait list is still 3mo out, meanwhile there’s a bunch of these 2021 x7’s with 36k miles coming off leases that seem very appealing. Our main use for the 3rd row is for our dogs so I don’t think the accessibility speed of the 3rd row in the BMW would be a dealbreaker for us. Thoughts?
BMW 100%. It drives better, rides better, great tech, good looks, great build quality, and most important, the most amazing combo of ZF-8 Speed and the glorious B58 which has been proven to be reliable.
yeahhh looks like x7 vote from me as well. I was looking at the x7m50i and comparing them to the GH and TX. 3rd row better in the Toyotas, but everything else bmw. If you don't even need the 3rd row, look at an x5 40i, cheaper.
@@MikeyG003 thanks! def need the 3rd row but only when we travel w our dogs. Weekly trips to dog park, and 5hrs trips to vacation house that require going through Cascade mountain range 5-10 times per year (usually Spring/Summer) + a couple ski trips up to Whistler (no dogs but need ski gear storage). We have a Thule box for skis and strollers but everything else needs to fit in back w 3rd row down.
BMWs are not reliable in the long run and the parts repair and replacements are expensive. It all depends if you want to lease or own the vehicle. BMW ownerships typically lease these beasts to avoid future maintenance. Otherwise, Lexus holds its value for trade-in and is the way to go.
@@ARentz07 No, in fact my wife’s 2024 Sequoia is built in Texas. While quality is good, it’s not up to par with a Japanese built Toyota. I drive a 2019 GS-F and the quality and attention to detail is far more ahead. Example: look closely at the video and the stitching detail on the arm rest. Look how wavy and stitching is. Look at when they filmed the driver’s seat. Did you notice the dimple between the leather and plastic piece by the seat controls? You won’t see such bad craftsmanship in a Japanese built Toyota/Lexus.
Toyota engineers claim it is a packaging issue. If they'd point the engine the right direction (longitudinally) this wouldn't be an issue. As it is, apparently the 8 speed is enough longer to not fit well between the MacPherson strut towers. That's what another reviewer said anyway.
@@jsfbay1the platform isn't set up for longitudinal engines tbh. If Lexus REALLY wanted to step outside the box, they'd use the LS500 platform for an SUV and a sport sedan (like the GS they mistakenly killed off).
@@MatthewAbendroth what else does the tx offer? Well not the typical luxury features you’d because the tx isn’t really better equipped than a grand highlander
Drove the Grand Highlander and the TX F Sport back to back. The TX is MUCH nicer vehicle and fit and finish is exemplary. The seats are also MUCH nicer and more comfortable on the TX. The TX was much more quiet. You get what you pay for!! If I had to compare, I agree with Mark that the Grand Highlander is like a boat and the TX much more refined and sporty.
ICE cars without the B58 are like burgers without the patty: utterly pointless. The B58 is what seperates man from beast. The ability to have a vehicle with a B58, is what made us who we are today. Without the B58 we could have never achieved success as a species and would have been wiped out by smallpox centuries ago. If I remember correctly, the B58 was what enabled Caesor to conquer the Gauls. The B58 was what inspired Einstein to think of time and space in relative terms, whilst also being to muse that enabled Steve Jobs to create the iPhone. "Without the B58, there is no hope, no life, no sense of meaning, to distract humanity from death and despair" - Friedrich Nitzsche (probably)
I was shopping for a three-row SUV recently and ended up buying an MDX. The MDX is definetely smaller than the TX, but it is very very smooth. It also handles great for what it is. If you do not need a ton of space on a regular basis, you will love the MDX. Test drive the both see which one fits your needs and easier on your budget.
@@futball24most families needing 3 rows of seating do have kids, so the small 3rd seats aren’t necessarily a dealbreaker for most people. I personally would rather get a smaller size 3 row SUV to fit in my garage rather than a big 3 row, as long as it’s not too small like the regular Highlander or previous generation RXL. If you regularly haul adults in all 3 rows, then minivan is your best choice.
@@futball24 That's correct. My kids are still young, so that should be not an issue for me, but I definitely recommend test driving all the options before making a decision.
I still own an OG 2006 ls430 and I can’t seem to find a compelling reason to sell it. My wife drives a 2011 Rx350 and it still drives perfectly. When you own a lexus and take good care of it, it will last almost a lifetime 👊🏻
Same here. still own my LS430 with 261K miles on it and it still gets between 25-28mpg on road trips. That V8 is so sweet. Too bad the new cars from Lexus aren’t cut from the same mold as the older generations. May just be the reason I’m looking at adding the 2023 GX460 to the garage. When they’re gone,they’re gone, and so is the refinement and quality or feel of what Lexus built their brand on.
Good to hear that there are differences beyond styling and screens to justify the $10k+ price delta over the Grand Highlander. The PHEV V6 TX will be interesting when it eventually arrives. Another great review by Savage Geese!
@@j.redbeard99oh right, and the Grand Highlander was already a premium Toyota with for example keyless entry on all doors instead of just driver's and hatch
One thing you guys should cover is which services in a car are subscriptions or connected services that rely on the company’s long term support for the feature. Lexus charges a subscription for self driving features.
As a new owner of the TX 😁I'll say that this statement is WRONG. And the things they do have a subscription for (minus the sirius XM) are included for the first 3 years. That is actually better than some other companies that will only give you 1 year for the same thing. I bet their motive was to get you really dependent on it over the course of 36 months and then once it is gone then you'll wish you had them lol.
Good luck trying to find that 550h+ it's using the rav4 prime battery pack plus the 2gr V6 and Lexus told me 12-14 month wait. Even when it launches it'll be a unicorn on the road.
Very true. 90% of people would not know a CVT vs a conventional automatic or differences in suspension based on drive mode selected. Paint colour, look, brand badge and cup holders are more important.
Just finished a week in the TX 350 AWD as a loaner while my GX was getting some upgrades. Love the tech and the tech layout for the driver. Big screen, buttons where you needed them to be. Those heated seats don't play around. But at the end of the day, it's a people hauler for soccer moms. It didn't get much better MPG than my GX.
what were you averaging MPG after a week of driving? We test drove one and it didn't seem like it was getting great mpg, and I've heard many of these bigger haulers with 4cyl-turbo motors never live up to their EPA rating (idk if that's accurate)
sucks that Lexus is now truly rebadging.... this is just a lux grand highlander...... come on Lexus... I hope the next gen UX, IS, ES is something better! but sucks that they know all share the same infotainment lol... nothing too unique now... I know lexus materials are much much nicer and ride is better in a Lexus... just wish they made things Exclusive to Lexus, Happy that the RX500h F sport Level 3 in ultra white with red interior is unique enough
Yeah, I also lament how Porsche is simply rebadging Audis except, I don't care. I've driven a Macan - feels entirely different to drive than a Q5. And Mark and Jack even talk about the same thing with the TX here. They say it is far more refined and handles better than the Grand Highlander.
Wow, Lexus is really stepping back from the "separate luxury brand" mantra to the "Toyota plus" ideology. This thing is a snoozemobile that is barely discernable from a Toyota.
Lexus has a "give you what you want" problem with the TX. The 550h+ is the top-of-the-line plug-in with the V6, clear and away the model to get right?... Sorry, with that trim, despite dishing top coin, you're just gonna have to make do w/ no pano roof, no rear-wheel steering, no spare wheel. That last part is a deal breaker, bc no way in hell am I giving my family a chance to get stranded. I'm not waiting an hour+ for AAA to save the day when I can change a wheel myself in under 10 minutes. Well then I'll just settle for 2nd best then right? But wait, that model is F-Sport only? Looks better, sure. But I don't want 22 inch rims on summer tires and uncomfortable sport seats. This isn't a friggin' sports car. It's a Lexus , not a BMW. It should be as comfortable as possible. Alright then, that leaves us with the 350. Ah, yes. The weakest, least refined powertrain of the bunch. Probably, the best value of the bunch, yeah. But, then you're left with the "TX" and all the issue that plague all the models. No saddle or beige interior options. Really, a 2-tone brown that has zero contrast, 2-tone white (would this be wise with the kiddos?), and... black? No wood interior trim at all?.. Sorry, guess you're just left w/ UX-level interior styling and finishes. Also, no sunshade option for that big ass square window in the third-row? Nor seat heater options for the third-row? Little Timmy is just gonna have to freeze his little butt off back there, huh? Everyone else will be nice and toasty. Isn't the tagline for the TX "every seat is the best seat?" Surely, that can't be. And then, there's no Lexus Escalade/Navigator competitor. Which would be the ultimate solution to the rich suburban family -- a reliable Escalade. Which Toyota could have very well done if they didn't screw up the Sequoia by giving it a useless third-row thanks to a live rear-axle. Toyota/Lexus's North American market execution is just straight-up infuriating.
Agree with everything you said. Maybe eventually Sequoia will get an IRS, allowing for a proper 3rd row and proper cargo space with 3rd row folded. I was excited to see the new Sequoia - for about 10 seconds. They'd also have to add another foot (?) to it to be as long as an Escalade (actually I don't know that for sure so maybe I'm talking crap.)
LX600 is an Escalade competitor based on price. Speaking of which -- did GM ever fix the water leaks and electrical issues in the dash they were having with the Escalade? In terms of the 550 -- the Pano Roof was ditched to save weight, the battery pack on that model weighs quite a bit and takes up a good amount of space. Hence the lack of a spare (weight saving as well). 3rd row heated seats? Even though you do have HVAC back there in the roof?
@@jsfbay1I don't know of any BOF Toyota that has IRS unfortunately. Realistically the pack should be under the front seats or the 2nd row, but then you've got a driveshaft to deal with and other things.
@@LoneWolfSparty Even though they cost similar, the LX does not compete directly w/ the Escalade. Sure they're both luxury full-size SUVs but that's where the similarities end. The LX is an off-road oriented SUV based on the Land Cruiser 300 platform which is a dedicated off-road platform. The Escalade is a bougie people-mover w/ a proper third row that has zero credence off-road. Spare wheel is understandable, but still a disappointment nonetheless. No pano roof to save weight is what you call marketing BS to save manufacturing cost and advertise higher EV range. An extra 100-150 lbs on the roof is not gonna reduce range by a significant margin Third row heated seats are an option on even non-luxury third-row SUVs like the Telluride and Palisade. I think it's fair to point out that a Lexus which costs $15k-20k more doesn't even have the option.
One of the great things about being a Lexus/Toyota owner is I can think fondly of my paid for 8 year old Lexus in the garage while watching this and have no urge whatsoever.
Got my 4Runner in 2006 and mechanically it is pretty much the same thing as a brand new one. Under 150k iplan on driving til it decintegrates (no snow/salt so should be a while)
@@jpm1544no snow means it'll last 500k miles easy
@@jpm1544 omg I wish I had no snow and salt on mine.
My 2005 ES330 spends winters in the garage. I think that car is going to outlive me.
I’m romanticizing the idea of buying a 2023 (final year) GX 460 and driving it until I die. I’m 38 years old.
You guys know how to review vehicles…that’s the Final Thought. 👍👍
I love that the TX and GX are available at the same time. TX is for the people who want more refinement, slightly easier step in height, and don't care about the 4banger. GX is for those who want the more refined powertrain or those who may want to occasionally tow. I wonder how close they will be in price once the GX pricing is released.
TX for people who are realistic about their needs, GX for people who are aspirational.
That said I’ll have mine in GX please
@@upshifter5316 as someone who drives a 4Runner and never goes off road, I agree with you. 😂
The Tx is for folks who have no idea what luxury is. The gx is for folks who mythically plan to off-road
Gx 550 starts at 62,900 for the base Premium trim and tops out at 79,900 for the Luxury + trim
@@upshifter5316 I have two GX and dont know of a single person other than TFL that ever took their GX off road. I'm sure its been done , but haven't seen it. As to the TX, I've driven both it and Grand Highlander and the 4cylinder , even in max model, can be best described as anemic with a load of passengers. Add full fuel and luggage and suddenly that 4 cylinder is the lil engine that couldnt. As we say in drag racing, there's no replacement for displacement.
These Lexus drive trains are making them more difficult for people to pick this over the Toyota counterparts. The V6 made Lexus unique. I don’t know if they can be competitive without it. Great video SG!!
Exactly.. it sounds like a can of dried beans. Thats a lotta money for a tractor engine.
There is a 550h+ with the 3.5 V-6 as a plug in hybrid with over 400hp. These reviewers should have been clear this is the 350 only but it’s not the only option.
@@MikeForsythebut unfortunately this means that getting the 3.5L v6 in general in the TX will be significantly more expensive than getting a naturally aspirated v6 in just about anything else
Just $20k more for the TX500h.
@@bassandtrebleclefexactly!! 😢😢
What happened to the audio engineer review of the sound systems? We’ve been missing those lately.
I've had my TX for about 4 weeks now and I'll say this: The Mark Levinson system IN THIS CAR isn't worth the extra 1k. Don't get me wrong, it isn't total trash but I didn't really get the mark Levinson feel until I cranked it past volume level 25ish. For reference I listen to Hip Hop, RnB, Classical and movie cinematic soundtracks. When put past 25, the bass can get deep like a Chicago deep dish pizza. But less than 25 was a bit hard to get the Mark Levinson feel. So, if I have passengers I don't want to have to yell over the sound system. But when I'm by myself I let it BLOW and it does have good sound clarity. So, when alone I sing and can't hear myself over the music hahaha.
6:45 Lexus Texas test drive
9:30 Rattly 4-cyl
11:00 vs MDX-S
14:20 Quiet, comfortable and huge
Lexus really captured the heard of Americans by calling this the TX.
@@m4z805😂
@@m4z805the herd… if you’re going to insult someone at least use correct spelling.
@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYTI'm thinking 'heart' not 'herd'
@@ClinicalDecisionYikesYTThey definitely meant heart not herd.
Stunned to see you compare the turbo 6 in the Type S to the 4 banger in the Lexus. I own both the TLX Type S and the new Lexus NX 350. The powertrain in the Acura is smooth, sounds great and has effectively no turbo lag. The 4 cylinder in the Lexus is the opposite. It's barely suitable for a compact SUV. Can't imagine it in a full-size, three row.
I’ve driven the nx350 and compared to my 2020 v6 Camry the Camry destroys the nx in every way
That’s because this is the base I-4 Turbo. it makes 275hp and 317lbs of torque. More than the TLX base or Aspec. It’s perfectly fine as a base motor.
The TX 500h F Sport Performance has a 366hp I-4 turbo hybrid with 409lbs of torque. Significantly more than the tlx or mdx type s. The TX 550h+ is a 3.5 V-6 plug in hybrid.
The V-6 in the type s is unfortunately slowest in class with the worst mpg in class. Heaviest too. But yea it’s a V-6 lol
@@MikeForsythe none of what you said is relevant to my post. They compared the Turbo 6 in the MDX Type S to the 4 banger in the TX 350 and said they were comparable. That's what I'm responding to.
@@cultofmodernism8477 actually it is because they shouldn’t be comparing the base model TX 350 to the mdx type s. They should be comparing the more powerful TX 500h F SPORT Performance to the Type S. 🙂
@@cultofmodernism8477I think their comparison to the Type S V6 was for how it sounds, not for how it performs. I was a bit surprised by what they said too.
Thanks for confirming it feels like a Lexus as some people are saying it doesn’t look like a Lexus
Hell yesss more 3 row suv goodness, im sure Mark couldnt contain his excitement when Jack told him what he had booked next! Inject more 3 rows into my veins auto industry!
😂I just love when Mark goes crazy and bro tries to keep a straight face😂
The more i see the TX the more I’m liking the styling, at first I hated it but now I think it’s actually very attractive. I’ve driven the turbo 4 in the NX and while it has a lot of torque, I do agree that it’s a little rattly, but the hybrid max version in the grand Highlander is the opposite, it’s very smooth and refined imo, and I’m willing to bet that it’s even more refined on the TX, I’m also happy to hear that it’s quite and comfortable as I felt the NX was a little too stiff, granted I was in an F-sport trim. One of the main Achilles heel of the MDX imo is that it’s not nearly as big as the dimensions suggest despite being based on the Pilot platform, the 3rd row is too small, it’s closer to the size of the regular Highlander. The TX solves that main gripe for me
I just replaced my NX tires just recently to non runflats. It’s the 350 f sport version and it drives amazing now. Granted it’s a given that any normal tire would ride far better than the OEM runflats, I am just appalled that Lexus does not equip them (especially the f sport versions) with normal tires from the factory. What’s even more upsetting is that if you remove the trunk storage bins you have enough space to put a spare tire.
The styling is so clean and tasteful.
I’m a Lexus driver.
But with the migration to turbo charged 4-cylinder, I’ve started to look for other brands for my future vehicles.
Calm down.
Plug-in TX still has the V6 non turbo
@@Hernsamahow are you gonna try to tell them how to spend their money. Nobody wants to hear a 4 cylinder when you're paying 50k plus
@@RellupNorth Correct. I’m holding on to my 2017 RX solely for its NA V6.
Was disappointed in the new RX drivetrain, specially that’s it’s priced at $98k for a loaded one, and was considering to upgrade to the TX once it was teased, hoping it’ll have a V6.
Long commutes at 90mph in hot dry weather in a hybrid or a turbocharged powertrain is so inefficient.
@@enzoTHEferrariI can't imagine anything is efficient at 90 mph as you are fighting drag, especially on boxy cars.
I agree, the 4 cylinder is a real turn off. You know, if they put two of those 4 pots side by side and coupled them to distribute the power stroke and balance the reciprocating pistons...
Sounds like you're describing a German engine lol
in my opinion - the interior does not appear 'luxurious' (at least looking at it in videos). If I were cross shopping with a Mazda CX-90, for example, I'd think the Mazda was a much more expensive car. Toyota had some nice interiors in their Lexus cars about 10 years ago - but now, they are just plain with little to no real attempt at design. Recently, Mazda and Hyundai/Kia are at least thinking outside the box and using new-ish materials and colors in their cars. Toyota reliability is top notch - but they really need to hire new designers.
Not to me either. I don't think your impression is wrong.
I'm a baby boomer and to me, luxury cars have real wood in their interiors. I'd love to put this TX side-by-side with a top trim Palisade or Telluride and give them a good looking over. While the Korean twins don't have wood either (that I can remember?) they also aren't sold as luxury cars - for that go see Genesis. I suspect where the TX wins over the others is in NVH and ride control, which is what the reviewers were saying. So which one is more important? An individual decision (obviously.)
The new integration of Toyota Connected leads me to agree with you wholeheartedly. I think Mazda's approach, with less screen, more physical controls, and more of a focus on design is both more visually and mechanically pleasing - but then again, I'm interacting with screens for 8+hr a day for work and want them as invisible in my car as possible, so I may be the exception, rather than the rule.
Yeah, the TX's interior is just so dour.
This approach has worked for the ES and RX forever, which makes sense. Isn't a Suburban in similar trimmings 10k more?
But much larger and can tow much more.
A suburban is two feet longer.
That's my confusion: generally, they were talking as if they would be cross shopped. A regular Tahoe makes more sense. What do I know anyway? I'll never be buying a "utility vehicle" of any sort. I do appreciate and enjoy their coverage of mass selling vehicle types I could care less about.
Yeah at this point, I’m buying gmc Yukon with a v8 over this crap
Yeah, 'Burban gets well into the $90,000 range for the High Country trims, and I think every other one I see driving around is a High Country
Excellent review of this vehicle this week. I think you hit all the relevant points that would matter in the segment. I would also add, that coupled with all the points you made, the potentially better reliability and ultimately greater resale value would put this car at the top of the pile.
Agree, the four cylinder with the hybrid is the way to go for most toyotas
Cross shop this against the Hyundai Pallaside Calligraphy. The Pallaside has a nicer interior and is more comfortable. Yes, the Pallaside isn't a "luxury" car I know, but the TX isn't a step up from it. The exception would be the 500h trim. I ended up purchasing a fully loaded Palisade Calligraphy over the TX. No regrets.
No not even the 500h or 550h are luxury
Having been at the Hyundai dealership yesterday with my Genesis, downside is the dealership. Older salesman was a bit embarrassed when I had to ask together unblocked, because they had blocked me in my parking spot.
Thank you so much for another great review. I always enjoy watching you guys, especially now as a new Lexus RX450HFsp owner.
How do you like it?
@@youngblood23rb I like it a lot I just wish they made a suspension a lot tighter in Sport Plus but honestly I don’t really heed it :)
A lot of talk about price I would love a class cost comparison shown and then a options comparison for the vehicle. a great add to the entire series going forward.
4 cylinder turbo: mid 300hp and about 400ish ft/lbs of torque. Imagine if they put this engine into the GR86.
YES
For real. That dogshit Subaru motor almost single-handedly makes buying an ND Miata make sense.
very nice. I think this should have been a hybrid-only as a base model, as should nearly every vehicle in this class in this day and age. Not sure why you're hard on it for having a 4cyl; these aren't going on enthusiastic drives to Macy's. My issue is that it isn't a hybrid (at the very least). But a 200-mile range PHEV? God damn, now we're talking!
We have a Highlander (previous gen) and love it, despite the uninspiring drive and road handling characteristics. It's massive, comfy and luxurious. The 2GR-FKS definitely sounds nice and angry, but I'd rather be getting a fuel economy below 10L/100km.
I was in the market for a 3-row SUV recently. The TX was in my shopping list but after seeing the price tag, the trims, and styling I changed my mind. It is expensive, ugly, and underpowered for what it is. The hybrid model looks like an appealing package (forget the styling for a moment), but it is overpriced and comes with captains chairs only. I have a large family and bench seat is not even an option in the hybrid drive train. I ended up getting an MDX for a lot less money than a mid-trim TX. Basically, I sacrificed the space and got a very smooth drive train, nicer styling, and a smaller price tag. We will see what the long-term outcome of this decision going to be.
You’re gonna like the MDX better in my opinion because the styling is better and the interior materials is a whole lot better Lexus used to have interiors where they had a cut and sewn theme and they used to wrap leather on every panel. Now they’re interiors are becoming basic boringand to me they just don’t feel as luxurious as Lexus of old
I was in the market for an SUV and I thought the same. The Lexus RX was way overpriced and so I ended up with an Acura RDX A spec; I couldn't be happier! The MDX is a badass too!
@@danielruth7379 Agreed. The interior of the TX did not look like $60k car interior. I guess it is practical and all, but it feels like copy+paste interior in all Lexus products.
@@jean-luceyesofyoureyes5502 I am truly impressed by the smoothness of the drivetrain in MDX. I have had Toyotas, Hondas, Mazdas, in the past and still own a Lexus; if I knew that Acuras are so smooth, I would have gotten Acuras instead of the other brands.
I'm still in the same boat you were in. The lack of 2nd-row bench seat in the Hybrid Max (or whatever Lexus calls it) drivetrain is a non-starter (same problem as Grand Highlander.) MDX is looking better and better but my wife thinks it's not big enough.
I think the route you took it on was fitting to show off the dynamics all things considered when in the Midwest/Illinois, improved dynamics aren't going to matter that much until you hit a corner.
"Rattley-ass 4 cyl - sounds like it come from a $30,000 car"
If only Toyota had developed their own inline 6 for the new Supra... They could have made a naturally aspirated or lightly boosted version for their luxury models... So they wouldn't feel like driving a Corolla.
They have one -- it'd have to be re-engineered completely to even think about trying to pass the emissions standards.
@@LoneWolfSparty Well that's why I meant engineer a new one, hahaha. Theoretically they could even use the 2JZ block and just completely engineer a new head and it would work. I was thinking something a bit more modern though.
I dont get what they were thinking with the way they optioned out the trims.
The 500 doesn't offer 7 seats, air suspension, massage seats and then only the 500 luxury trim has the panoramic roof.
The low end tx350 is 10k more than the grand highlander's hybrid max top end model but only has the 4 cylinder. But if you get the tx equivalent hybrid engine (500h) then you lose 7 seats and pay 15k.
They're forcing me to get the highlander hybrid max. I don't want that. I want the lexus hybrid engine with captains chairs and 3 seats in the third row for a luxury feel for adults, while the kids sit in the back.
If, and only if I had that, then they STILL don't offer air suspension or massage seats, which I would totally spring for.
I have a X7 and want to trade for TX when lease is up. Your thoughts on pros and cons are much appreciated. Great context..
X7 is a great 3-row SUV, you're going to miss the amazing handling and legendary inline 6. But the TX is just roomier and has way more cargo space when the third row is occupied. Still, personally, I would find that a hard trade to make.
@@HiddenWen It depends on why you need the three-row. If it's strictly for carting rug rats around and loading up on food at Costco, the drivetrain stuff probably matters a bit less. Being able to actually get in and out of the third row easily is going to quickly pay dividends. I say this as someone who grew up with 6 siblings and had to pile in and out of the third row of a Yukon XL all the time.
Yep. The X7 is more of an X5 L. Whereas the TX is a proper, no bs spawn hauler.@@ARentz07
How does the ride quality of the TX compare to the Mazda Cx-90? The Mazda was criticized for its suspension philosophy.
cx-90 is much more sporty, per say, firmer but also more road & wind noise IMO. The ride quality of the TX is smoother and quieter. If you want to feel the car more, go Mazda, if you want an easy driving, comfortable, and quieter ride go TX
Have we forgotten what physical hvac controls mean?
I've always been a lexus owner and love the overall reliability and customer service. I'm starting to lean to Genesis and am torn but they seem to look better but not sure that is a selling point.
Honestly the winner in this segment is probably the CX-90 for me. You just can't beat an Inline 6.
Great car. Tried to talk my wife into it but she just didn't like it. Mazda is the ultimate value proposition for well dressed cars with buttoned down driving and classy looks
This confirms that I will not trade in my 2022 V6 Highlander Limited for the Lexus TX 350. I live in a cold place and hybrids do not work here. Plus, the lithium hybrid batteries hold less of a charge each passing year that you park it outside or even use it outside in the snow and ice. Toyota needs to bring back the V6 engines since fuel economy is about the same as the V4. The GX is an option as well as the 4runner for now until they pull those and make those hybrid too. Then I will be changing brands.
I can't see paying over $60K for a turbocharged four-cylinder. Why get rid of the 3.5 V6 which was an awesome powertrain.
Overall it's not bad . maybe if you need power should pick the TX F Performance package
One thing I don't get is why they require premium fuel if it only makes 10 horsepower more than a Grand Highlander. Thats an extra five grand in fuel costs over ten years for almost no additional performance. They also should have a removable middle seat like an MDX.
Great review.
Why does Lexus use such skinny tires? This thing ought to have 285/40 22s.
What's the catch lol? It's more than $100k - that's a huge catch
The telluride is amazing and looks an order of magnitude better.
I was very much interested in this and watching this helped me realize how much I would hate it in real life.
I am now think I should save up for a used (Pre-Pandemic, 2017-18) Toyota Land Cruiser and hopefully keep it until I die.
good luck with that ... 60k for 2015 landcruiser
Sorry, I need my lexus built in Japan. A takumi is eating dinner with their family right now, wondering if there's anything they could have done better.
MDX Type S w/ Advance package is way better
For what exactly? Track work..absolutely. Taking the family up to the lake...not likely. The i-Force max drivetrain absolutely craps all over the mileage of the MDX Type S.
What is the point guys of showing underneath the vehicles if you are not going to remove the covers?? It doesn't take much to take off the covers so we can see what lies beneath.
10:35 B58!!
I know this is an American channel, but damn, I'm happy withy my Xpeng G9 in Europe compares to this. Costs less too.
Some luxury IS about value - the value being the sense of serenity derived from a well isolated, whisper quiet, comfortable, confidence inspiring, smooth riding vehicle. My luxury vehicle is the most serene place I spend time, more so than my house or office. To make my home or office more serene than my car would cost more than the delta between a grand hylander and a Lexus (for example) and thats assuming it would even be possible to create similar serenity in such spaces.. Lets also not undervalue the potential health benefits and healthcare savings from spending time every day in a peaceful place where the daily chaos momentarily disappears - blood pressure drops, serotonin increases; contrast that to stress inducing driving experiences - that IS value.
How would you compare this to a high trim level Grand Cherokee L (Overland/Summit)?
$60k plus is WAY too much money for a FWD based 4 cylinder with that much stamped steel underpinnings. Where is the luxury?
Nonexistent 😂
How is the leg room for the driver , for a really tall person
I get my music taste from the infotaiment on savageese montages.
😂 my music taste is all over the place
To a point people buy Lexus because of built and it keep going.
14:00 lol 🤫
The turbo 4 should have been diesel, but CA (the largest market for boats like this) have discouraged manufacturers from offering non-truck diesels. . I don't want a hybrid, because I don't lease vehicles. So I guess I'm no longer their desired demographic (35-55 who don't know anything about vehicles and just want a toaster).
Dang that thing is boring inside and out.
look, we badly need RELIABLE cars--everything has gone to shit because of EPA and CAFE and so boring is fine, it needs a V8.
It will stay boring for a loooong time though
@@bb5242 Even the V6 was a damn good power plant. 4-cyl is sad.
Lexus is screwing up their drivetrains. I’ve had a Lexus for 20 years. The v8s are bulletproof. The v6 was bulletproof. I don’t want the 4 cylinder
I don’t like that they moved to a turbo engine… you have to service that engine more… heat it up and cool it down. Wish they put a NA v6 instead
I understand that it is not as refined as the Lexus TX, but how does the 2023 or 2024 Chevy Traverse compare being that they are both family oriented 3-row SUVs? Also, does anyone know if it can handle minor off road needs with the AWD?
The new redesigned traverse and Acadia might be a better vehicle than the Tx
The length of this video pretty much summarizes the general impression of this vehicle….smh. Sadly, this is one of those cases where the economy version looks better than the luxury one.
I love how you guys forget about the QX and Armada... Around the same price but has a V8... Already had most of the technology that this Lexus has... 10 years ago literally.
You guys literally mentioned every competitor but the QX & Armada...
External, it actually looks decent for a recent Lexus. Oh man! First the next gen MB E class goes back to elegant looks. Now Lexus... Geez, sanity is returning to planet autos?
Please do 2024 GX
Hi Voice of reason here,
MOST of the Audi q7 s riding around have 4 cylinder engines in them…
Thanks that’s all.
Tell em
But that’s okay though
Because the 4 cyl q7 is more powerful and it performs miles better
The base q7 is as fast as the 500h and 550h
@@naveenthemachine can you stop lying all over the internet bro
@@MikeForsythe its facts bro
“Audi outfits the entry-level Q7 45 TFSI with a turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine developing 261 hp and 273 lb-ft of torque. An eight-speed automatic transmission and Quattro all-wheel drive are standard. Audi claims that the Q7 takes 6.7 seconds to accelerate from 0 to 60 mph.
A more powerful engine comes equipped with the Q7 55 TFSI variant. A 3.0-liter turbocharged V-6 develops 335 hp and 369 lb-ft of torque. This powerplant is also paired with an eight-speed automatic transmission and all-wheel drive. In accordance with the improved output, 0-60 mph drops to just 5.7 seconds with this setup.“
So your beloved TX350 with more power and torque is significantly slower than the base Q7 😆
And the TX500h F Sport Performance is as fast as a Q7 45 TFSI but still slower than the Q7 55 TFSI🤣
What Audi q7 does 0-60 in 8 seconds? Oh yeah NONE OF THEM 😆
Really? Audi reported that the Inline 6 is their volume seller. Plus all of them I see on the road are 55 TFSI’s and 3.0T’s (2016-2019)
I’m not a fan of the front facia. Most new Lexus suv models aren’t that great for front facia. The new GX looks ON point but don’t like the v6 turbo powertrain
I really want a cross between a Chevy Suburban and a Porsche Cayman that allows me to simultaneously flex on the other school moms and put my kids far enough away to comfortably ignore them while I contemplate the most cut-throat way to evict my renters. Is this the car for me?
No. The Urus is more you. This TX or Suburban or Cayman are not gonna impress anymore, they are dime a dozen here in the Bay Area.
lol, the entire time you guys were driving the TX like it was a sports car. love you guys, but that was a little weird 😀
3rd Triplet of the new Camry and new Prius all looking the same there
There was a time when Lexus was a real Mercedes/BMW challenger. Now they are a ‘better Toyota’ in my view but cost about the same as a Mercedes/BMW. I don’t get it.
Ah the Lexus Highlander.
If my budget is $60k tax included, would you recommend a max optioned 2021 x7 40i or the base TX? The Toyota dealerships want $57.5k for a Limited trim Grand Highlander, which includes a $12k dealer markup and the wait list is still 3mo out, meanwhile there’s a bunch of these 2021 x7’s with 36k miles coming off leases that seem very appealing. Our main use for the 3rd row is for our dogs so I don’t think the accessibility speed of the 3rd row in the BMW would be a dealbreaker for us. Thoughts?
BMW 100%. It drives better, rides better, great tech, good looks, great build quality, and most important, the most amazing combo of ZF-8 Speed and the glorious B58 which has been proven to be reliable.
yeahhh looks like x7 vote from me as well. I was looking at the x7m50i and comparing them to the GH and TX. 3rd row better in the Toyotas, but everything else bmw. If you don't even need the 3rd row, look at an x5 40i, cheaper.
@@MikeyG003 thanks! def need the 3rd row but only when we travel w our dogs. Weekly trips to dog park, and 5hrs trips to vacation house that require going through Cascade mountain range 5-10 times per year (usually Spring/Summer) + a couple ski trips up to Whistler (no dogs but need ski gear storage). We have a Thule box for skis and strollers but everything else needs to fit in back w 3rd row down.
If you don’t know anything go Lexus. If you have any sort of physical sense you’d choose the bmw
BMWs are not reliable in the long run and the parts repair and replacements are expensive. It all depends if you want to lease or own the vehicle. BMW ownerships typically lease these beasts to avoid future maintenance. Otherwise, Lexus holds its value for trade-in and is the way to go.
So no F Sport on the 350, but on the 500H
If it isn’t a Japanese built Toyota, it’s not top tier.
Let me guess, you also would refuse to buy any of the BMW X3/4/5/6/7 as they are built in North America or South Africa?
@@ARentz07 No, in fact my wife’s 2024 Sequoia is built in Texas. While quality is good, it’s not up to par with a Japanese built Toyota. I drive a 2019 GS-F and the quality and attention to detail is far more ahead. Example: look closely at the video and the stitching detail on the arm rest. Look how wavy and stitching is. Look at when they filmed the driver’s seat. Did you notice the dimple between the leather and plastic piece by the seat controls? You won’t see such bad craftsmanship in a Japanese built Toyota/Lexus.
Sweet hoodie
That 6 speed in the F 500H is 🤔
Toyota engineers claim it is a packaging issue. If they'd point the engine the right direction (longitudinally) this wouldn't be an issue. As it is, apparently the 8 speed is enough longer to not fit well between the MacPherson strut towers. That's what another reviewer said anyway.
@@jsfbay1the platform isn't set up for longitudinal engines tbh. If Lexus REALLY wanted to step outside the box, they'd use the LS500 platform for an SUV and a sport sedan (like the GS they mistakenly killed off).
@@LoneWolfSpartyI know the TNGA-K isn't intended for RWD, but I can day dream. I agree about the GS 😞
@@jsfbay1 they really should shrink down the LS platform and make a RWD based AWD with hybrid as an option sport sedan.
Yes it’s worth it. They change considerably more things from the equivalent Toyota than people realise
Right…😂 considerably
Just different front end and they slap a bigger screen to it 😂
@@naveenthemachine Proving his point. It's more than you apparently realize
@@MatthewAbendroth what else does the tx offer? Well not the typical luxury features you’d because the tx isn’t really better equipped than a grand highlander
What’s the price
Overpriced
How would you compare this to a Q7?
Q7 mops the tx inside and out
What’s the name of the song? Please somebody!
what about this VS the genesis SUVs?
Not even a question. Genesis destroys Lexus
4 cyl for a vehicle this big? The RX was already pushing it and feels slooow and loud
Missed opportunity to call it the Lexus Texas
Drove the Grand Highlander and the TX F Sport back to back. The TX is MUCH nicer vehicle and fit and finish is exemplary. The seats are also MUCH nicer and more comfortable on the TX. The TX was much more quiet. You get what you pay for!! If I had to compare, I agree with Mark that the Grand Highlander is like a boat and the TX much more refined and sporty.
Which of them had a softer ride quality, particularly over rougher roads, in your opinion?
yea, I did the same thing. They are the same car the Lexus interior feels like Luxury VS the Highlander feel great but not as nice lol
I guess if you have kids that are going to get the interior dirty anyways; size of vehicle which are targeting families, GH makes sense
@@ibz.a GH still doesn’t make as much sense as TX though. Different animals in refinement. .
You nailed it, the agility and sportiness of the 500f is much better than the GH, way more solid and refined
What's the catch?
No B58
ICE cars without the B58 are like burgers without the patty: utterly pointless. The B58 is what seperates man from beast. The ability to have a vehicle with a B58, is what made us who we are today. Without the B58 we could have never achieved success as a species and would have been wiped out by smallpox centuries ago. If I remember correctly, the B58 was what enabled Caesor to conquer the Gauls. The B58 was what inspired Einstein to think of time and space in relative terms, whilst also being to muse that enabled Steve Jobs to create the iPhone.
"Without the B58, there is no hope, no life, no sense of meaning, to distract humanity from death and despair"
- Friedrich Nitzsche (probably)
@@leviathan5207 AI-grading bot gives you 24% for your essay.
😂
2022 CPO BMW X7 low mileage used. Same price as this. Gets you the straight 6. 🤔. Interesting.
11:00 -- Really liked the comparison between the other 7-seaters. The MDX is what came to mind and was curious of your thoughts. Nailed it, thanks!
I was shopping for a three-row SUV recently and ended up buying an MDX. The MDX is definetely smaller than the TX, but it is very very smooth. It also handles great for what it is. If you do not need a ton of space on a regular basis, you will love the MDX. Test drive the both see which one fits your needs and easier on your budget.
@@de_mir the MDX is better than the dressed up rav4
@@futball24most families needing 3 rows of seating do have kids, so the small 3rd seats aren’t necessarily a dealbreaker for most people. I personally would rather get a smaller size 3 row SUV to fit in my garage rather than a big 3 row, as long as it’s not too small like the regular Highlander or previous generation RXL. If you regularly haul adults in all 3 rows, then minivan is your best choice.
@@naveenthemachine and the TX is NOT a dressed up Rav4, not even close.
@@futball24 That's correct. My kids are still young, so that should be not an issue for me, but I definitely recommend test driving all the options before making a decision.
A Texas Lexus? This perplexes my ex's subcortex.
Could you please do a video on Lexus and Toyota's subscription model? I hate it so much.
Eminem wants to know your location😂
Lexus Texas.
I still own an OG 2006 ls430 and I can’t seem to find a compelling reason to sell it. My wife drives a 2011 Rx350 and it still drives perfectly. When you own a lexus and take good care of it, it will last almost a lifetime 👊🏻
Same here. still own my LS430 with 261K miles on it and it still gets between 25-28mpg on road trips. That V8 is so sweet. Too bad the new cars from Lexus aren’t cut from the same mold as the older generations. May just be the reason I’m looking at adding the 2023 GX460 to the garage. When they’re gone,they’re gone, and so is the refinement and quality or feel of what Lexus built their brand on.
Good to hear that there are differences beyond styling and screens to justify the $10k+ price delta over the Grand Highlander. The PHEV V6 TX will be interesting when it eventually arrives. Another great review by Savage Geese!
what are the other differences? also you used to get a V6 in a base Highlander, such a shame what Toyota is doing
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 Jack and Mark go over the other differences in the video. It’s a shame, but the times they are a changing.
The PHEV V6 TX is essentially the North American Toyota Century SUV.
@@Tolkytolkytolky that just makes the Century even saddet
@@j.redbeard99oh right, and the Grand Highlander was already a premium Toyota with for example keyless entry on all doors instead of just driver's and hatch
One thing you guys should cover is which services in a car are subscriptions or connected services that rely on the company’s long term support for the feature. Lexus charges a subscription for self driving features.
The ninth circle of hell is reserved for the guy that came up with “everything as a subscription” concept.
lexus does not charge subscription for self driving features. are you confused with the safety connect service?,
@@gilboman lol don't give Lexus idea. Next thing you know you gotta pay subscription in order to drive lol.
As a new owner of the TX 😁I'll say that this statement is WRONG. And the things they do have a subscription for (minus the sirius XM) are included for the first 3 years. That is actually better than some other companies that will only give you 1 year for the same thing. I bet their motive was to get you really dependent on it over the course of 36 months and then once it is gone then you'll wish you had them lol.
If Maynard Kennan had a nerd younger brother, it'd be Mark.
Great production as always, gentlemen. Looking forward to the next one!
Good luck trying to find that 550h+ it's using the rav4 prime battery pack plus the 2gr V6 and Lexus told me 12-14 month wait. Even when it launches it'll be a unicorn on the road.
You sure about that?
9 months later there are over 500 for sale in the U.S. Check Edmunds. 😂
@@NomenClature-o8s Edmunds shows 3 500h+s in the country. Not a clue where you're getting 500
As sad as it is, in this segment very few people care about how it drives.
I'd argue that most people don't care how their car drives, regardless of segment.
@@leviathan5207 well, yep. But that’s not the reason to stop caring about it.
Very true. 90% of people would not know a CVT vs a conventional automatic or differences in suspension based on drive mode selected. Paint colour, look, brand badge and cup holders are more important.
Thats not true. People simply value different qualities of driving. A comfortable, composed driving car is valid for a luxury vehicle buyer
That's literally every segment. Driving dynamic do not appeal to the masses. Idk why so many "car enthusiasts" cannot comprehend this.
Lexus pulled a volvo regards to the engine offers?
I'm shocked you guys didn't mock this by repeatedly saying "lexus texas"
I'm sure a lot of men have fantasized about getting inside A Lexus Texas for years.
Just finished a week in the TX 350 AWD as a loaner while my GX was getting some upgrades. Love the tech and the tech layout for the driver. Big screen, buttons where you needed them to be. Those heated seats don't play around. But at the end of the day, it's a people hauler for soccer moms. It didn't get much better MPG than my GX.
what were you averaging MPG after a week of driving? We test drove one and it didn't seem like it was getting great mpg, and I've heard many of these bigger haulers with 4cyl-turbo motors never live up to their EPA rating (idk if that's accurate)
How many of us are watching this knowing damn well we will never be able to rationally afford it?
Just work more hours BRO
Can afford it, don't need or want it, but still interested in it.
sucks that Lexus is now truly rebadging.... this is just a lux grand highlander...... come on Lexus... I hope the next gen UX, IS, ES is something better! but sucks that they know all share the same infotainment lol... nothing too unique now... I know lexus materials are much much nicer and ride is better in a Lexus... just wish they made things Exclusive to Lexus, Happy that the RX500h F sport Level 3 in ultra white with red interior is unique enough
Yeah, I also lament how Porsche is simply rebadging Audis
except, I don't care. I've driven a Macan - feels entirely different to drive than a Q5. And Mark and Jack even talk about the same thing with the TX here. They say it is far more refined and handles better than the Grand Highlander.
Wow, Lexus is really stepping back from the "separate luxury brand" mantra to the "Toyota plus" ideology.
This thing is a snoozemobile that is barely discernable from a Toyota.
Lexus has a "give you what you want" problem with the TX. The 550h+ is the top-of-the-line plug-in with the V6, clear and away the model to get right?... Sorry, with that trim, despite dishing top coin, you're just gonna have to make do w/ no pano roof, no rear-wheel steering, no spare wheel. That last part is a deal breaker, bc no way in hell am I giving my family a chance to get stranded. I'm not waiting an hour+ for AAA to save the day when I can change a wheel myself in under 10 minutes.
Well then I'll just settle for 2nd best then right? But wait, that model is F-Sport only? Looks better, sure. But I don't want 22 inch rims on summer tires and uncomfortable sport seats. This isn't a friggin' sports car. It's a Lexus , not a BMW. It should be as comfortable as possible.
Alright then, that leaves us with the 350. Ah, yes. The weakest, least refined powertrain of the bunch. Probably, the best value of the bunch, yeah. But, then you're left with the "TX" and all the issue that plague all the models. No saddle or beige interior options. Really, a 2-tone brown that has zero contrast, 2-tone white (would this be wise with the kiddos?), and... black? No wood interior trim at all?.. Sorry, guess you're just left w/ UX-level interior styling and finishes. Also, no sunshade option for that big ass square window in the third-row? Nor seat heater options for the third-row? Little Timmy is just gonna have to freeze his little butt off back there, huh? Everyone else will be nice and toasty. Isn't the tagline for the TX "every seat is the best seat?" Surely, that can't be.
And then, there's no Lexus Escalade/Navigator competitor. Which would be the ultimate solution to the rich suburban family -- a reliable Escalade. Which Toyota could have very well done if they didn't screw up the Sequoia by giving it a useless third-row thanks to a live rear-axle.
Toyota/Lexus's North American market execution is just straight-up infuriating.
Agree with everything you said. Maybe eventually Sequoia will get an IRS, allowing for a proper 3rd row and proper cargo space with 3rd row folded. I was excited to see the new Sequoia - for about 10 seconds. They'd also have to add another foot (?) to it to be as long as an Escalade (actually I don't know that for sure so maybe I'm talking crap.)
NAILED IT.
LX600 is an Escalade competitor based on price. Speaking of which -- did GM ever fix the water leaks and electrical issues in the dash they were having with the Escalade?
In terms of the 550 -- the Pano Roof was ditched to save weight, the battery pack on that model weighs quite a bit and takes up a good amount of space. Hence the lack of a spare (weight saving as well). 3rd row heated seats? Even though you do have HVAC back there in the roof?
@@jsfbay1I don't know of any BOF Toyota that has IRS unfortunately. Realistically the pack should be under the front seats or the 2nd row, but then you've got a driveshaft to deal with and other things.
@@LoneWolfSparty Even though they cost similar, the LX does not compete directly w/ the Escalade. Sure they're both luxury full-size SUVs but that's where the similarities end. The LX is an off-road oriented SUV based on the Land Cruiser 300 platform which is a dedicated off-road platform. The Escalade is a bougie people-mover w/ a proper third row that has zero credence off-road.
Spare wheel is understandable, but still a disappointment nonetheless. No pano roof to save weight is what you call marketing BS to save manufacturing cost and advertise higher EV range. An extra 100-150 lbs on the roof is not gonna reduce range by a significant margin
Third row heated seats are an option on even non-luxury third-row SUVs like the Telluride and Palisade. I think it's fair to point out that a Lexus which costs $15k-20k more doesn't even have the option.