IPS Display Glow In Dark Games: What Can Be Done?
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I would honestly recommend putting a light behind the monitor. It will trick you into thinking the blacklevels are slightly better.
It will also make the experience less immersive.
I thought that was to put less strain on your eyes?
@@gavinderulo12 yeah it's a tradeoff, if the glow is bad enough it could be worth it.
@@DaKrawnik both
Or better get light sync system.
Light behind the monitor helps. Light in the room in general since IPS tends to be very bright anyways...
Yeah, bias lighting helps a ton.
Still rocking my 2011 Samsung 1080p plasma for this reason. Still going strong and great black levels. One of these days I’ll replace it with an OLED, but not today.
VA panels + good local dimming are pretty good for displaying dark pictures. That's mostly just available on TVs unfortunately. The PC monitor industry seems to only care about ever-increasing refresh rates.
There are many VA PC Monitors available and there are also many OLEDs now.
There are a few mini led monitors released this year with VA panels and vesa certified hdr 1000. Koorui GN10, Innocn 27M2v to name a few. Nothing beats OLED monitors for HDR and infinite contrast, but those are twice as expensive.
I got a VA panel and at 120 hz I sometimes/infrequently can see some dark smearing onto adjacent brighter areas when turning the camera (one of the bigger complaints), but the black levels are satisfying to me at least, and a great color gamut.
VA panels are terrible with fast movement and dark smearing
@dagnisnierlins188 literally don't notice it when playing 90% of games. It's a very specific dark/light contrast paired with fast camera movement that's obvious to me.
I always hated backlight bleeding, I got an oled and that finally solved the majority of problems with lcd. Oled ftw
It is absolutely incredible indeed.
Aren't you afraid of the burn-out that OLED tends to have?
@@briangrant9942except that’s a myth
@@briangrant9942 nah, newer generations have less burn in problems. And there are pixel refresh cycles and other preventatives
It is, but with our current economy 😭💀
Fast response time VA panels such as the Samsung G7 and G65B look drastically better in this regard. Most VA panels are known for piss poor response times, but the Samsung's that I mentioned are the exception.
i have the g3 , 4000:1 contrast ratio 144 hz 1ms response time, looks awesome
i have the G7 nice monitor but dark scenes are not that great
@vasilisskarlatopoulos9051 i think it is 3000:1 the older g3 model is 4000:1 and it looks great i Dont know why they lower the contrast in the high range oddysey monitors
edit: it is actually 2500:1 so not that high
@mattburg94 the thing is there are different specs om the g3 monitors by model, some have less contrast and too much ghosting, i always hear how awful the response time and ghosting is but comparing with an Oled panel i found out the truth and i doubt rting considered the difference on specs by model like the contrast ratio, also if you dont activate the od overdrive looks bad in motion perhaps they didn't activate that i dont know but i am very happy with the monitor
I have the Benq EW2710Q for 250€ with a LG Display NANO IPS panel and blacks looks pretty good. Similiar to the VA panel I had.
as John said, get a bias lighting (=light source behind the screen) and try to eliminate any light sources reflecting off the screen
Or just keep doing what we've been doing for years and being happy.
or, if you're unhappy with what you have, like the person asking the question obviously is, then just do something about it
You mean add light that reflects off the screen.
no? why would you do that
Mini-Led is the other option for those who want burnfree monitor that u dont need to replace every 3-3.5 years. Miniled is also brighter generally. so peak highlight is more awesome.
Yesss i just recently basked into glory that is poor man's oled, its nothing short of amazing
Mini LED is the same as local dimming.
@@cube2foxyes, but it has way more zones than traditional local dimming making it much closer to OLED without the downsides.
I have the Benq EW2710Q for 250€ with a LG Display NANO IPS panel and blacks looks pretty good. Similiar to the VA panel I had.
I have a Koorui GN10 mini led VA monitor. HDR is absolutely good and the black levels are great. Still not up to par with OLED monitors but those are hella expensive. Mini led also goes extremely bright. In most cases no visible blooming.
Bright room... Preferably lighting on the wall behind to screen so you won't get highlighted diffuse reflections in the screen from other areas of the room. I do this to reduce eye fatigue as I spend like 12 hours in front of the computer daily xD it helps A LOT for light bleed as well. Sure it isn't as moody in moody games, but it's comfortable and somewhat removes one of the biggest blemishes of IPS backlighting.
The thing is, you'd want to play a game like Alan Wake 2 in a completely dark room. Kinda ruins the atmosphere if you play in a very bright room. For daily use, yeah, of course, but the guy asking was pointing out it happened while playing AW2.
Only thing to do is in game visuals settings lower the brightness (black level) just above the point where it crushes dark detail, and jack up the contrast (white level) to just before it blows out light detail. It is just something I've learned to live with until 32" OLED monitors are more affordable. Bias lighting in the room helps for sure. Some soft lighting from a lamp goes a long way.
This is the way. Download reshade and mess with the "levels" filter. I also like using "curves" and "vibrance". You also might need to mess with the gamma. It's not going to look "accurate", but using this method I've always been able to take my IPS LCD monitor from looking truly disappointing in a lot of scenes to feeling like I "downloaded" an OLED monitor.
Or just buy a mini-LED monitor/TV. AOC has made a 300€ model recently and it's great, see the rtings review.
I think most people have really badly calibrated monitors as well. Most come badly calibrated out of the factory or people tune it badly themselves. I found that using the black test on lagom and changing whatever black level settings on your monitor so that the first square is practically black and blends with the background. You can faintly see square 2 and every other square then is gradually brighter until we get to a pure white in the last square. It's not going to remove the issue of back light glow but it does minimise it and massively improves contrast.
Yep, that's a huge issue. Bad calibration (especially EOTF tracking) can mess up even an OLED display, let alone an LCD. Thing is, the less dynamic range you have (contrast), the more important it is to make the best use of it/not have it wasted. Tte difference between a badly calibrated IPS and a properly calibrated IPS can be as drastic as the one between IPS and OLED (both decently calibrated to the same standard), if not actually greater in some cases.
Yet somehow this aspect is commonly ignored completely in favor of raw contrast and color space coverage & volume specs. And the former are typically overlooked already in favor of refresh rate and resolution.
@@juanblanco7898 Totally. I got a 4k/144hz Samsung G70B there heavily discounted for my first dip into high refesh 4k gaming. When I got it, the image out of the box was so poor compared to my other 1440p IPS, that I was going to send it back. It took a lot of calibration to fix as the colours, black levels, Gamma and contrast were all messed up, but it looks way better than it now. Obviously a hardware calibration tool would be ideal but most people don't have those. The tests on Lagom really help for manual tuning.
Nothing beats olded, but if you can’t or won’t spend money to solve the problem, then raising the ambient light in the room a little bit, and adjusting the brightness of the display to the minimum acceptable level of brightness will at least give you the best case scenario.
I lucked out and got a used mint condition Redmagic 4k gaming monitor for $500 (160hz, 1152 local dimming zones, about 1200 nits peak brightness in HDR and 650 nits in SDR). It's not quite OLED level but the brightness and black levels are amazing compared to most standard IPS panels.
holy shut that sounds glorious. I dont think you will regret not getting an oled with that many dimming zones.
@@sa1f43 yea I love it. There is a little bit of blooming of course... (and its a little mor pronounced with local dimming enabled in SDR) but you get used to it. I also just found out that Redmagic has a new monitor with 5088 dimming zones releasing in a couple of weeks.
By default, when I install the graphic driver for my Nvidia, I can see in the Nvidia Control Panel that the brightness is sent through a limited signal. What I did to change it:
Nvidia Control Panel > Display > Change resolution > 3. Apply the following settings > choose Use Nvidia Color settings, and set Output Dynamic Range to Full.
Once I select Full, instead of Limited, the black level on my IPS panel becomes way better.
It's still an LCD, don't get me wrong. But I discovered this after years of using my screen, and I was flabbergasted. It's basically made every single movie I watch much more enjoyable. Now that I'm playing Alan Wake 2, same thing.
This might not work for everyone, considering first of all that you need an Nvidia Card from what I understand, and it probably depends on the monitor.
Recently got an AW3423DWF coming from a 240hz TN and the difference is mindblowing.
Such a nice monitor, unfortunately mine just gets used for work mostly at the moment, but such an upgrade to any stuff played on it
I'm a big fan of OLED but it's not perfect - vertical banding is a real issue with near black content, especially in a dark room.
Black crush in general is very bad on every OLED. Only one solves the problem: iPhone's OLED. That thing is out of this world.
Always hated that flaw in IPS panels, using an Asus PG43UQ monitor and while it's VA it's still bright at 1000 nits and being VA when viewing black content it's very black even in dark room, not exactly OLED but at least it doesn't have that horrible IPS glow.
mini led works pretty good if the one you purchase has plenty of zones
John said local dimming hardly exists in the monitor space and doesn't work well on TVs when in game mode.
@@cube2fox there’s a few monitors out there with mini led local dimming, 4k Sony inzone m9 (way overpriced at $900) would be the bare minimum to start with as it’s only around 96 zones(better than edge lit of course but still not something I would recommend), the 4k acer I have($550) is just under 600zones which is decent if you set the adaptive dimming to fast and the hdr1000 is very noticeable. And then there are more expensive ones with over a 1000 zones, so slowly but surely they seem to be getting better.
@@circleofgeekz There is also a 1440p AOC mini-LED monitor that is $275, and is great, especially for the price. Rtings has a review.
As weird as it sounds but increasing the brightness and contrast as far as possible without losing detail in the highlights helps with that. It doesn't make the glow go away but it will restore some detail in the shadows and help your eyes to focus on the brighter parts of the image. With that you do want to have some light in the room though, you don't want to crank the display while sitting in total darkness to then get flashbanged at some point.
VA seems to be manageable and "decent/10". Sure, it's not OLED, but at the same time you're not risking burn-in, and brightness dimming after 3-4 years.
i recently compared my new switch oled screen with my va monitor that have great contrast and the black levels are almost the same, but with better motion clarity due to the 1 ms response time and the monitor is cheap (samsung g3 27" first model)
You'd have to really crank it to notice a brightness dim after 3-4 years, same goes with burn in. There's basically no draw backs if you don't have HDR activated 24/7
Mini LED are good for black levels, like the MacBook Pro M3 etc.
I’ve never been a fan of LCD but John’s hatred of the tech borders on unreasonable. I have a VT60 plasma (ie the best and blackest plasma ever made), I have a 90Hz OLED on my laptop. I can appreciate great contrast. AT THE SAME TIME: I love my displays that don’t quite match the contrast of those displays but have other strengths: for example my 165” IPS gaming monitor and my 4K DLP projecting onto a 120” screen.
I worked at Magnolia in Best Buy and fought through the best years for plasma to get people to notice them VS most LCD models, but there were some noteworthy LCD displays around 2013-2014 when production was ramping down.
Yeh I kinda just roll my eyes every time we get another rant about LCD tech.
There will never be a display that John is ever satisfied with.
John is so stuck in his ways on some subjects, like open world games and monitors. His way or death.
Just like fascists he's just uninformed (like the other time talking about "HDR 400 True Black", the HDR thing created exclusively for his beloved OLEDs... and he ignored it) and should try more high quality different things.
went from IPS to VA, much much better. there's still some backlight glow but it's uniform and not distracting. this combined with some ambient lighting is great
Yeah, I couldn't believe how bad IPS is because I had VA displays for years. Once I realized how much I love contrast, I went VA+ mini led backlight. It's amazing. I'm very okay with trading some halos for never getting burn in.
I have the Benq EW2710Q for 250€ with a LG Display NANO IPS panel and blacks looks pretty good. Similiar to the VA panel I had.
VA can have severe black smearing problems in dark games
Va suffers from more downsides though, smearing, viewing angles, clouding and more.
Goodbye response time lol
I got used to it, but I remember switching from TN to IPS in early 2019, and realizing just how insufferable the glow really was. I've since switched monitors again, and my newer one ended up with better RNG on the corner clouding. Sadly still very noticeable in darker content though, no way to completely suppress it, no matter the angle or room lighting (I have a warm lamp behind mine).
I've tinkered with going with VA, but the smearing was really distracting for me as well. I'm pretty disappointed that monitor tech has been so stagnant when it comes to stuff like this. There's OLED, but it apparently suffers from burn-in issues, plus they're pretty far out of my usual price range for monitors. And I don't think a 1080p, high refresh OLED even exists rn.
You'd think we'd have way more quality options when it comes to the thing we use to actually *view* all our games. Especially looking at how far TVs have come. Sucks.
A big part of "how far TVs have come" is the fact that you usually sit much farther away from them. It's not really that the technology is so much better.
Black on TN looked better ! You can try new TN panel if dont need HDR )))
I used TN because of that for Horror games !
I like a low backlight glow from some leds behind the monitor and monitorian on windows to dial in a suitable brightness without having to mess around with monitor setting menus. Still sucks but makes it tolerable.
A decent VA panel on low brightness is pretty good for dark content in a dimly lit room. I have one with around 2500:1 contrast and have enjoyed some dark horror games, like Dead Space and Resident Evil on it. However, it still falls apart in a pitch black room with all lights turned off, as the backlight glow becomes very apparent in that environment. I do have to say that this is something you can get used to to some extent over time though, at least as long as the glow is fairly uniform throughout the screen.
OLED may be amazing for pure blacks, but many of the panels also have uniformity issues on dark grays with stripes and blotches visible throughout the screen. This can create an obvious and distracting dirty screen effect with a lot of dark content as well. If you manage to get an OLED without these noticeable issues, it will be way better than any LCD for dark content, but if you do get one with dark gray uniformity issues, it will still be a compromised experience in a dark room, although still probably much preferable over backlight glow of LCDs for most people.
Lots of people talking about putting a light behind the monitor, get a desk light that sits on the top of your monitor! Once i got one i had to get one for both my desks. Quntis do a really cheap one thats almost as great as the expensive benq one :)
I've got a couple of Iiyama G-Master Red Eagle IPS monitors and I don't know what they've done differently but even in complete darkness the glow is almost imperceptible, and what little there is is completely uniform.
I have an LG UltraGear 27" Nano IPS and comparing to my Deck OLED black are not that bad.
I came from a regular IPS and the difference is huge.
put on a black fullscreen and then test different distances when sitting infront of the IPS, usually there is a sweetspot where the Glow is less, while sitting to close/too far can make it worse (a few cm can sometimes make a difference). I also had an IPS once where i had to sit slightly off center to prevent glow from creeping in from one side.
Local dimming is pretty awesome, but yeah, it’s mostly a TV thing.
The last 12-6 months a lot of cheap mini-led monitors have been released, even around the price of $380-450
@@darkywarky Ah good to know, thanks
For Alan Wake 2 what did the trick for me was that I dialed the brightness of the monitor all the way back to 0 and then from the in game settings I changed the brightness from 50 to 80. It's not perfect but the glow is way less pronounced.
I can definitely vouch for John’s suggestion on a good plasma.
I’ve a Pioneer KRP-500M and aftwer tweaking it, blacks look like my OLED. Only downside is most need a pulse meter reset and voltage tweaks to have good blacks, because of a design flaw. Panasonic also made some great ones.
Had a 1080p 50" Pioneer plasma years ago, loved that thing had it for 7 years till it failed, also great as a room heater
There are good IPS monitors that have pretty minimal IPS glow. Unfortunately many of the so-called gaming panels have absolutely atrocious IPS glow, especially LG panels. I've had a 1440p monitor with an LG panel and a 4k monitor with an LG panel, and both had horrible IPS glow *and* ridiculously low static contrast, to the point where I had to return both of them how bad it was. But I've also had several IPS monitors that were very acceptable. My current 4k IPS Samsung is not only pretty good when it comes to IPS glow, but also has a pretty acceptable HDR mode, despite being edge-lit.
I also currently have a supposedly one of the fast VA 1440p panels and wouldn't recommend getting one for playing games. Even current "fast" VA panels still suffer from smearing, which to me is frankly more annoying than a bit of an IPS glow. And the VA panels that claim to be fast and not have any smearing frankly still have some smearing, and they're usually made "fast" by limiting the static contrast - this is what Samsung does with their VA panels, which often have static contrast close to 2000:1 to mitigate smearing, which makes the contrast only slightly better than a good IPS panel (and that's no exaggeration, the actual perceived difference between a 1200:1 panel and 2000:1 is almost nothing, even a 4000:1 panel doesn't blow you away with the contrast - this is something many reviewers won't even mention or point out). And while VA panels don't have IPS glow, they essentially have something rather similar, in that you don't get IPS glow around the edges, but you get a fairly strong viewing-angle related gamma shift, which can be just as annoying as IPS glow and unlike IPS glow which only manifests in dark shadows, it is present even with brighter content (on top of being present with dark, like IPS glow) to the point where I can only really stand that monitor as a secondary for very casual use, and still only just. VA is just unsuitable for PC monitors viewed from relatively up-close, *and* for gaming.
So yeah, I would definitely recommend either looking for a solid IPS monitor with well-controlled IPS glow (can be challenging, but they do exist) or, if you really can't stand even a bit of IPS glow, just going OLED. VA is not the solution many will promise you it is.
And, as mentioned, bias lighting and not going crazy with monitor brightness (remember that for normal SDR viewing with normal artificial lighting, you should only use around 120 nits of brightness, and even less in darker settings) helps a fair bit with IPS glow, as well as appropriate viewing distance (the closer you sit to the monitor, the more pronounced IPS glow is).
Decrease backlight intensity, increase image signal brightness. I made scripts to change target-peak in mpv and change display backlight to compensate. It eliminates the problem almost entirely for videos played in mpv, but I haven't found a way to automate it.
On PS5. Mine is an LG 50UK6700 IPS LED model and there is no glow or any issues when playing Alan Wake II or any other games. Bright areas look decently bright when illuminated by the flashlight and I like that. There is a little bit of banding when skipping over bright skies in Red Dead Redemption II but, sure, at 700$ originally paid it's not "knock your socks off" but a decent looking image
I use a QN90C 43" as monitor, they use VA panels on the 50" and 43", and at least at 4k120 I still get local dimming working, it does wonders for movies and games, it's honestly excellent, but it won't work as well when there are very small elements on a dark bg. Still my problem with it is that a VA panel at an arms distance, at that size and being flat presents very noticeable discoloration at the borders. Was this TV even slightly curved it would be the perfect budget solution to OLEDs, but for monitor use, if we forget about burn-in, OLEDs are still king.
Bias lighting, it won't fix the problem. It'll however contrast way less. So just put a light somewhere behind the display.
It would be interesting to get some feedback on matte Oleds vs. glossy for monitors. Im currently waiting for Asus to release a glossy OLED 16:9 monitor. I hate that matte finish on LCD's and assume it wont look good on OLED. I wanted to go with the ultra wide OLED monitor but it has that matte finish, which seems like a deal killer for me. Ive never seen an OLED monitor in person yet though. Also not sure about the curve on the ultra wide version. Im leaning towards going with the 16:9 model because of the gloss.
Interestingly, AW2 also highlighted to me how bad near black flickering can be on OLED displays when using VRR, since it's very dark and I struggled to hit 60 fps. I ended up going into the Nvidia control panel and turning off G sync for Alan Wake.
Apparently some OLED displays can't properly display black levels that are just slightly above the absolute black level. They appear to bright. But the manufacturer could fix that with dithering in the display firmware. I'm surprised they don't do that. Maybe they aren't aware of the issue...
@@cube2foxDithering isn't really a "solution" that would work for everyone given you're still rapidly flicking a pixel between 2 values. It would still flicker & cause headaches for people sensitive to it.
@@cube2fox I think Vincent from HDTVtest calls that near-black luminance overshoot or something, and it's present in all but the very best examples of OLED panels, and each manufacturer adjusts their brightness curve in their own way to try to deal with it (seems like Sony and Philips deal with it best). But I'm referring to a different issue, which is the shifting of gamma whenever a panel uses variable refresh rate. It actually happens to LCDs too, but usually isn't as noticeable because of their lower contrast.
@@Tompie913I don't think QD-OLED is affected by near-black chrominance overshoot artefacts.
Enabling DCR helps with my TN display. Bias lightning behind the display might help too.
Controversially, I use Apple’s Studio Display (glossy IPS with antireflective coating) for work AND for gaming (I have no second monitor, no local dimming), and it happens to work great for gaming too. Unless in a very dark room and high brightness, black levels are not hazey while colors, brightness and resolution are amazing. A happy coinsidence for a work monitor.
So I like playing games now in 18:9 or 3600X1800, 2880X1440, 2400X1200 resolutions on my OLED using custom resolution. Think a lot of Netflix shows that have small bars at the top and bottom unlike 21:9 with it's large bars. This works well on my OLED, it just looks like the panel. Now on my two VA panels, 18:9 is horrible due to backlight glow. One is edge lit, the other is FALD, both have issues with 18:9 gaming. With the FALD display some scenes are fine, but it depends what's being lit in the background. The edge will leave all 4 corners cloudy with spots in the middle. Now with the FALD display, turning off FALD you would have a constant glow, but it wouldn't like splotches. My edge lit, nothing I can do about it, I think it's always on.
yep, I use a 40" tv as my moonitor to game (I mostly play with a controller, so no issues sitting away) and it's been great overall
I had this so badly when I was playing RE3 originally, on a little portable LCD. I’m all in on OLED now they’re easier to get hold of
VA panels are approaching 3500:1 to 8000:1 contrast ratio vs. ~800-1200:1 on a decent IPS panel. There are some faster VA panels nowadays, but ghosting is still visible in competitive games with high contrast. I use a 144hz 1440p ultrawide with a Samsung panel around 4500:1, and the color ghosting (overdrive artifacts) in CS:2, for example, can be annoying. But I don't think VA panels look bad at all as far as contrast / glow. It's noticeable in complete darkness, but still looks good.
Which Samsung panel? Above Odyssey G7 you'll find decently fast VAs, just avoid the G5.
@@marrow94 I have a Monoprice Dark Matter 34 inch (3440x1440). The panel is a QD Samsung LSM340YPO5 - I believe the same panel as the old 34 inch Odyssey G5. Overdrive on medium reduces the overdrive artifacts, but there's still some general smearing. It also has adaptive sync flicker, but only near the bottom and top of the refresh rate range (~48-55 hz, ~135-144 hz). It's "fine", considering I've had it almost 3 years now and was $400. I still prefer the contrast and color reproduction over any IPS panel.
switched to PS5/XSX to play on my OLED tv , never came back to play on PC.
If only the technology existed for you to plug in your PC into that OLED TV. Sadly such things have not yet been invented
@@mechanicalmonk2020 my OLED tv didn't like stutter machine very much
@@mechanicalmonk2020 OLED's instant response times make the PC- stutter-race unbearable. It's like watching a very fast slideshow that irks you.
I've never seen a VA local dimming PC monitor. I own a fastIPS panel GP27U which has really solid local dimming with no downsides while running in G-Sync VRR at full 160Hz even with HDR on. I've been following the upcoming higher zone fastIPS monitors and they have at least double the zones which seem to eliminate almost all blooming. The brightness of miniLED panels is incredible but obviously you wouldn't want to stare at 27" of 1200nits for too long. 😅
I've just bought my first 1440p monitor and I'm really annoyed by the flickering on dark areas on the VA panel 😢
OLEDs have flickering too, don't worry. It's actually pretty severe on dark scenes.
I have the Benq EW2710Q for 250€ with a LG Display NANO IPS panel and blacks looks pretty good. Similiar to the VA panel I had.
My VA screen annoys me because it has great black levels at the expense of black crush. I have to use the gamer shadow lifting feature to get decent black to dark grey gradients. But then the black levels aren't as great anymore. GRR!
That’s why I upgraded to a QD-OLED monitor. I still use my Nano-IPS for work and productivity. But gaming should only be played on OLED. I have an LG GX OLED TV, a Steam Deck OLED, a Switch OLED, and recently the Alienware QD-OLED ultra wide monitor.
30 fps on switch must be rough on a oled screen no?
@@kevinmlfc30 fps is rough regardless of the screen
@@BenRiley83 true but oled at lower hz is very choppy because of instant response (no blur) I can’t watch movies on my oled at 24hz because of this reason, my old plasma is a lot better in motion.
9:00 That's not at all how that works. I don't get frame interpolation stutter when watching 30 or 60fps videos on RUclips on my 165Hz monitor. I notice stutter like that right away in the odd bad Chromecast app or something though. Codecs on PC generally run well even if the framerate doesn't match up to the display. Not really something you have to worry about these days.
Went to OLED across the board and never looked back.
Dynamic Contrast Ratio (DCR) helps a lot with IPS with dark games but then I forget to turn it off when I'm through playing.
A room that is adequately lit (not dark you gremlin), Bias lighting, higher viewing angle, and have your monitor at proper SDR brightness. A lot of blokes have their brightness cranked up well above 100 nits (which is also why some people think HDR displays horribly underwhelming since their point of reference is over brightened SDR). My Viewsonic ips gaming monitor I have set at 17%. 17%, let that sink in. 17% for my monitor is at or near proper SDR brightness, with bias lighten I rarely if ever notice the ips glow, even in dark movies like The Batman. Unless you are fighting something like sunlight you don't need your monitor cranked up.
It was TV and movies that finished it for me with IPS. I got sick of being forced to watch dark content on my phone. Now with a 1000-nit OLED, it's a revelation to rewatch certain films and shows are see scenes that were damn near invisible before.
I have a 4k 144hz hrd10 ips monitor and a 4k 120hz hrd10+ dolby vision ips tv. I understand they aren't perfect displays, but I just can't bring myself to care enough about the drawbacks. Honestly, I don't think 95% of the population would care either especially considering the price difference
Honestly every time I read about these IPS complaints I find myself wondering if people turn their backlight brightness to maximum or something when they buy these monitors. I have an IPS for my primary monitor (sides are cheap VAs, bad smearing). It was out of the box calibrated since it was primarily and art focused monitor, I left it all default. While of course, there IS some IPS glow, it is never anywhere near harming my dark gaming experience or would make me talk about "Halos of glow" like this question. It baffles me.
Turn brightness down to about 30 on the monitor should help
This really isn't as big an issue as it's made to seem in this video. I just think most people have no idea how to properly calibrate their monitors. I have a 4K 144hz IPS panel from Acer, and I barely notice any backlight bleeding. The quality of the panel also plays a massive part in how much backlight bleeding you get.
I got an Samsung Q90 and after 18 months it had terrible back bleed at the top vertical of the screen. So i decided to get an LG OLED, there is no way i could ever go back to LEDs. I do think the future probably lies in MiniLEDs eventually when the tech is mature. Though the LG G3 can get to around 1500 nits at a 10% window. Thats impressive for an OLED, and we dont know the specs of the G4 that will be out soon.
I went from an MVA panel to an IPS panel and I'm really satisfied. It was not nearly as bad as I expected with the glow and the lower contrast. But I have to say that I always use lower brightness settings, usually 20 of 100. MVA has great contrast and black levels but terrible smear with fast movement in dark scenes (even though it was already a fast AMVA+ panel). I much prefer the faster IPS with dark content in games. Also the colors with IPS seem to be a bit more vibrant and accurate (especially with red).
I'm suffering with the same problem in the same game, but meh, gotta live with it. OLED for computer monitors still seems kinda crazy for me. It's so expensive and I'd be constantly afraid of burning it, much worse than I'd be on an OLED TV.
I disliked LCDs from the begining, but never understood why until the past few years. I ended up keeping a 19" CRT until maybe 2012-2013. Still wish I kept it seeing the prices they are at these days, it could do 1600x1200@85hz.
CRTs were harder to maintain and image burning was a real thing...but it was clearly the superior tech in every other area. Crazy how people were sold the idea that LCDs were better, that everyone was missing out on motion blur (*cough* 360 *cough*) and so on and so on...
LCDs and OLEDs are great for office work because they have a very steady image (sample-and-hold) which is convenient to look at for static content. But they are not great for dynamic content, like TV or movies or vid3o g4mes, due persistence (eye tracking) blur.
For dynamic content you would ideally like a pulsed display like CRT with very low frame persistence. Or an LCD with pulsed backlight and relatively short persistence. Or perhaps an OLED with hardware black-frame-insertion and relatively short persistence, though those aren't produced anymore I believe.
There should be pulsed backlight LCDs coming out soon with "G Sync Pulsar" certification, which supports VRR (which otherwise wouldn't work on pulsed LCDs.)
I'm loving my LG C2. I'll probably upgrade to a 240Hz ultrawide OLED sometime. I actually always run my LG C2 in the ultrawide mode at 3840x1600 when I play games, unless the game does not support ultrawide aspect ratios.
Running a somewhat rare, 32in 4K 60FPS Philips monitor that is a VA panel, HDR600 certified, and the primary issues being lack of enough local dimming zones & only 94% of Adobe sRGB. And I got it in 2019. The fact that better monitors have been slow to hit the market over the last 5 years has been a major insult from the display companies.
i switched to a qhd oled 240hz and never been happier, no more backlight bleed, super deep blacks and the HDR is awesome on it, plenty bright. would never go back to LCD or VA panels.
THIS! yes I too have hated LCD monitors for well over a decade now with IPS Glow and Backlight bleed and its only been the last 2 years that I have finally managed to get away from them and move to OLED monitors and Im NEVER going back to LCD IPS/VA monitors again, the only exception I will accept is if it is for displaying security cameras as LCD is better for durability for long static images being displayed.
Now I do know that not everyone can afford the new OLED monitors and thats fine and there are those that are very hard wearing on their monitors (I know someone that never turns his PC off or his monitors and they are just always on so OLED is not for him) but everyone else really should be looking at moving away from LCD for their main gaming/content monitors going forward.
I never really noticed backlight bleed (only when it was extremely agressive) or IPS Glow. Until I saw a side by side with an OLED, that was a big oof.
I'll still wait for MicroLED, as good as OLED is... the games I play are 1000% burn-in magnets and I'm not rich to replace panels often.
I use a Hisense U8, and it's the 1st LCD that I don't have that weird effect...
My VA-miniled monitor shows minimal hallo artifacts with dark content and awesome inky blacks with HDR1000. The only alternative is OLED but that's much more expensive, not as bright and risky for PC
VA monitors are another good option, they dont have much glow effect to them, and they are still affordable
It depends also on the monitor lottery, I had 2 exact same monitors, one had bad IPS glow the other one almost none
I'm currently looking at OLED monitors, but they're all so expensive 😭 I feel like it's the most obvious next step for improving visual fidelity for me though...
If you have an Ambilight TV you can set the Ambilight to warm white and that reduces IPS glow drastically.
I guess I've been fairly lucky then I've had four IPS panels and only one had slight glow in the upper left corner... Had a Acer ET322QU, have a Pixio PX275H, have 2 Zedges one a UG34W, and the other a unknown model rightnow... My rooms light is 6000LM at 5000k... Maybe plays a role? I don't know.
I am running few months on Benq EX3410R. Which is VA with very good response time. Contrast is amazing for LCD panel.
From tests I have been seen, Asus is doing VA panels with one of the best contrast ratio. Unfortunately, they suffer with very visible smearing. On my Benq it is much better and do not bother me at all.
First game I have tried was Dead Space (2023). It was awesome experience. But with OLED, it would be of course even better.
I had the lg 27gp950-b. Not only it had awful light bleed, it had the most atrocious anti glare coating I've ever seen. It worsened the black levels so bad it was worse than my samsung 4k60 display from 2016. I got a Neo Odyssey G7 that has 1196 dimming zones. The blacks are oled like, there's no smearing, and no danger of burn in. I'm keeping this monitor for a long time.
IPS glow is the reason I returned all the expensive IPS gaming monitors that I tried... Went back to a high end TN insteand and will jump to OLED next. It baffled me how people could tolerate IPS, granted I main Tarkov and it can be a really dark game and very hard to see but IPS made it straight up impossible.
When they were talking about plasma displays I agreed with them. The thing is even though plasmas had some really good image quality they were notoriously susceptible to image burn in. Even more so than OLED. I remember one of my friends used to have a plasma TV and the image was really good. After not to long, since he liked watching Discovery Channel, the logo got so badly burned into the lower right corner. Now I'm not saying that ALL display tech doesn't get burn in it's just plasma is the easiest to get burn in.
I used to leave an analogue static channel running for 20 minutes or so after a long session on my pioneer plasma
Here are the 6 major things that help to minimize the perception of IPS glow:
1. Reduce the strength of the backlight and then change the Gamma and/or the Black level from the settings of the game or the monitor/TV to show brighter picture (not to bee confused with the brightness setting). You will be surprised how much that helps, especially if you raise the Gamma by 1-2 levels;
2. Check if your monitor or TV has a setting for HDMI Full range and Limited range. Sometimes this is a quick solution. This settings is also included in the Nvidia control panel;
3. Use sRGB/BT.709 if you have that setting;
4. Bump the contrast to maximum (most TVs and monitors produce best picture this way, but there may be exceptions);
5. Use an ambient light behind the TV or the monitor, but make sure that it does not suffer from PWM flickering;
6. Wear darker clothes and avoid placing bright objects behind you (I can see the jokes now to dress like a ninja, but it really helps :) ). That way, you will be able to see more details on the screen and reduce the unwanted bright reflections.
The only experience I have with IPS is TVs, I had a LG 4K with IPS and at the time I liked the picture quality but after I got a Philips 4K with VA panel I realised how much better it was the blacks were punchier and colours more vibrant,
Couple hot takes from John today.
He said VRR can act up at refresh rates non divisible by 60, so can we get an official test of that? This is brand new to me. Thanks.
I been wondering about this for a long time. I hope they can make a vid that goes into lots of details about it.
That's literally what VRR is? It's the refresh of the panel itself that's varying, not just sending duplicated frames, so there's no reason for it to be a multiple of anything.
Essentially, the panel can present a frame at a theoretically arbitrary time and therefore it can show the frame as soon as it is rendered, so you're getting your frames faster and, again theoretically, more evenly as it doesn't have to "round" to the next refresh.
In practice, of course, there's limitations on how slowly the panel can present frames, and there's difficulty in lighting evenly as the effective refresh rate changes and so on, and then there's the issues with being able to show animation smoothly if frames are taking wildly different times to generate and be displayed that waiting for a refresh can smooth over, but overall it's just a pure win.
Only thing I know that CAN be a problem is repeatedly going over & under a refreshrate where the display will start doubling frames (LFC).
It'll manifest itself as microstutters.
I will hold onto my monitor until a cheap enough OLED monitor between 27"-32" comes out with at least 120hz 1440p and HDR1000. my current monitor is 1440p and does 144hz, but the one real downside is it's a TN panel. I'd say with the brightness adjusted the black levels aren't terrible. I really wouldn't recommend a VA panel though, smear city.
Samsung VA monitors looks absolutely incredible in dark scenes. There monitor can dim pixels down to near zero.
To mitigate the chance of burn-in on an OLED desktop, I've moved all icons into a single folder with a transparent icon and a single dot as its name, then have a rotating set of images cycling as my backdrop and a task bar that hides and has a transparency plugin to hide that one pixel line. Virtually nothing ever remains in one place for too long 😊
The dot is gonna burn in lmao
If any of you are planning to get an ips display, get a curved one. Especially if it's an ultra wide. It will mitigate the weird discoloration in the corners of the screen. Don't get a flat utrawide like I did, it's a big mistake.
At 32in and above the ips glow is horrible at corners. Can be ignored but ya gotta be lucky all 4 corners have the same amount of glow. Usually ya have one bad corner. I went for a 42in oled cause I came from a CRT generation. Mini LED are like 3 grand and local dimming with many zones are super limited.
Game looks amazingly breathtaking on my Sony 85 inch 120hz mini led tv….I am by no means trying to brag and I worked a ton of overtime to get this beast but the thing with led TVs is that you have to get the flagship or one step down model for the technology to be at its best,…Judging a technology by its lowest common denominator is doing an unfair disservice to it.I chose to go with led because I love the extra ‘punch’ it gives to hdr content,a lower price oled would be closer in performance to its high end oled counterpart in comparison to a low end led compared to a high end one..
Exactly. I used to be CRT snob and thought I would never buy an lcd as my main display. The black levels on Full array local dimming and minileds are very close to OLED and yes burn in has not gone away. I have 3 and are very please with the black levels!
Moving to lcd early completely spoiled my second ever play through of Doom3 and totally spoiled space games for a long time
Recommendations that ignore the fact the odyssey neo g7 and others exist are kind of bad. With an array of over 1000 local dimming zones, you would be hard pressed to notice zone changes or care about the miniscule amount of blooming. Additionally, monitors like the neo have a traditional rgb structure for perfect per pixel clarity as opposed to many displays these days that use exotic structure making per pixel clarity, actually slightly blurry including lg oled.
I don't mind IPS glow, backlight bleed is the real problem for me. Can't wait for Oled monitors to become the new standard.
Agreed.
If you are using IPS and haven't tried it decreasing the pressure from the frame on the edge of the panel where it's bleeding can help quite a bit. I've done it on a couple of laptops. It probably can cause other issues long term having the frame not fully snapped in, but it's been fine for me at least (only done it on cheap laptops).
I'm surprised bleed is still an issue. Sounds like a problem of cheap panels.
I think any IPS panel can have bad backlight bleed if squeezed hard enough. Can't say for certain though.
In a way, but one is a result of the panel working as intended and one is not.
@@Eminar5 Thanks for the tip, but the times I gave it a shot, it didn't show much difference, although it could be that I didn't try hard enough due to fear of damaging the display. So I will check tutorials and try again properly. What worked for me was rubbing the screen with a microfiber cloth, in a way that spreads the pressure and the bleed, so it isn't all gathered in one corner. This way the bleed is more uniform, at least, and is dimmed quite a lot.
Same here, love my IPS panel, works great with most games and movies. However, looks like I need both the new screen and a new GPU if I want to actually complete Alan Wake II...
Only got a little glow on my HP X34 Ultrawide, if you got amd gpu turn on adaptive contrast, that really helps to almost completely get rid of the glow. IPS still better than VA, specially if you play also competitive games.
Light behind the monitor is a way to go. That's the main reason why Philips TVs with mediocre IPS panels are enjoyable with Ambilight.
Bias lighting is a must for ips displays.
A long time ago I went through 4 PG279Q IPS monitors before I gave up and got a PG278Q TN, I couldn't handle the IPS glow and backlight bleed so I prefer the drawbacks of TN over IPS.
I use the exact same one as you john LG 42 C2. My lcd monitor is in its box in a closet since😆
That's why I picked VA display it has black 🖤 but no any IPS can match with that!
LED strip in dark room should fix it to some extent... I'm using Philips TV LCD with Ambi light and it kinda works.