2024 Excitement: New OLED Displays Get Some Serious Upgrades
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I’ve always appreciated the increased vibrancy that comes with HDR, but never appreciated the localized bursts of brightness until I got a TV with 1000 nit HDR. In a dark room, it’s awesome and sometimes so bright it’s a bit unpleasant.
That sounds great given in some situations light can be unpleasant in some every day experiences.
Imagine getting flashbanged in 1000 nits in a dark room lmao.
Valid point
Thing is 1K nits isn’t really a lot in the grand scheme of todays 📺 😜 BUT with OLED and the perfect native black/contrast ratio it makes the brights extremely overwhelming sometimes as you go form one scene being near black then 💥 1K nits of pure contrast! Then compare that to a say Samsung QD display with back light bleed and poor quality of pixel density etc etc you really don’t need 1K nits when the contrast is 💯
When the sunlight hits the real window of cars in front of GT7 it's incredible.
12:31 John, "True Black HDR 400" is 1 tier higher than HDR 1400. For example the new Dual Hz Asus 4k240Hz Oled has 1300 nits peak brightness and is HDR True Black 400. You must distinguish between True Black and standard HDR specs.
Holy, that's not very intuitive especially for the average consumer
Yeah, it's pretty important detail. I've paused video to leave a comment about True Black HDR 400 being _very_ different from HDR 400.
Let's hope prices will fall this year to justify upgrading.
Never will cause its still toy for the rich only (like this guy on the video). Cause its made from rare minerals (and there rare that why they cost so much)
😂
OLEDs contain organic matter, which I believe is an extremely rare bioluminescent algae found only in deep-sea caves. It’s perilous for scuba divers to reach the algae fields, so I’d expect prices to remain high.
Just work harder
@@ivan4087just get a job bro
just bought the LG C3 OLED and it looks incredible! even makes 1080p output look better than i could imagine. its def worth the savings as i needed to replace my old tv having it for 6 yrs lmao.
Got my LG C3 42" on black friday for 800$ best deal I'veever gotten. I'm using as a monitor and it's great no need for me to upgrade for a looong time
Nice. I'm still enjoying my 65" C1 OLED which has served me well. However, after seeing the G3 and QD-OLEDs in store, the difference in brightness and colour volume is quite noticeable, so I'm thinking about upgrading to a new one.
@@cun7usQDOLED for sure
I also bought the C3 42'' on Black Friday! I'm watching this video right now on it :)
A lot of OLED monitors have VESA 400 true black. My Alienware QD-OLED ultrawide monitor has a VESA 400 true black HDR mode but also does 1000nits in normal HDR mode.
Exactly what I was about to add and I think HDR Trueblack 400 is very good on the Alienware QD-OLED
The reason why 144hz was chosen is because it fits within HDMI bandwidth constraints at the top end (48Gbps).
They need a new standard thatn fits 240hz with 10-bit colour depth, hdr at the same res.
DisplayHDR 400 and DisplayHDR True Black 400 are not the same. First and second gen QD-OLED monitors such as the AW3423DW and OLED G9 can do 1000 nits in 2% windows for what it's worth. LG's OLED monitors will go up to 1300 nits this year.
HDR True Black 400 is different from HDR 400. These true black 400 monitors do have modes to support peak brightness of 1000 nits.
HDR 400 Trueblack is a different HDR standard for self-emissive displays rather than normal HDR 400, since most oled screend don't have an average picture level greater than 400 nits but can definitely display HDR content effectively. The normal HDR classification doesn't work for self-emissive displays in the same way. HDR 500 Trueblack is currently reserved for the newer generation screens that offers slight brighter picture levels. It's kinda weird, since your display is technically HDR 400 Trueblack as well if it was given VESA certification even though it can reach brightness above that. Though those panels definitely are also at the lower end of HDR presentation in terms of what can be achieved so the lower certification is justified. The yellow skyscraper real scene HDR measurements from RTings show around 400 nits for the C1 and for the G3 around 500 nits, I would guess VESA's testing uses something similar to that.
Then why is everyone underwhelmed by a lot of these HDR 400 displays? You sound knowledgeable so thanks
@@tonyoramos1 He explained it, HDR 400 Trueblack and HDR 400 are too different standards. HDR 400 is the one that is truly underwhelming and that you find on LCD monitors.
I have both a ultrawide LCD HDR400 monitor and an LG C2 and the difference is incredible. On the LCD, I can't even tell if what I'm looking at is HDR or not.
Yeah John is confusing the HDR 400 Trueblack with the generic HDR stamp which is given to older LCD monitors that never really had th capability to show HDR content.
@@GlatrozI love these guys but it baffles me that they released this video without clarifying the misunderstanding. For a tech channel this seems kind of irresponsible. Especially since a ton of people pointed it out in the original video.
It's clear he understands that it's not the same as HDR 400 due to the OLED black levels. I think he's just not convinced that 400 nits peak brightness is sufficient for a good HDR experience even with perfect blacks. The "TRUE BLACK 400" certification only assures a minimum of 400 nits in a 10% window.
trueblack 400 needs to be labelled as such because the monitors can only reach 400nits when displaying something that requires max brightness in full screen. most oled monitors announced at CES can reach 1000 nits on a 3% window which decreases to something like 800 at 10, 500 at 20 and so on. This combined with the oled contrast ratio makes for a pretty great hdr experience where highlights still pop. the same happens on the TV side where an LG C2 can only reach 500 nits in a 25% window. full screen brightness is where oleds lack atm compared to local dimming LEDs but the technology improves on that front every year
The new 32” 4k 240hz oled monitors are here, lots hitting the market over the next few months, cannot wait.
This. For my setup, 32" is about as big as I can go for a monitor. Anything bigger is just a little too big with how I have things set up.
I have the G9 OLED and while its only HDR400 it can display significantly brighter high lights, Not to mention having true blacks helps a lot. my secondary monitor is an HDR400 VA panel and it gets no where near as bright as the g9 can
I picked up a 65 C3 over the summer, I was worried about it being bright enough, but actually had to turn the brightness down because it was burning my retinas lol
North of 240hz is defintely for the esport player. People playing league, valorant, or CS they want everything that minimizing latency and 480hz paired with oled is exactly that
Nvidia announced a new standard that's going to combine black flame insertion and GSYNC, so you won't have to choose them separately. That's what I'm looking forward to the most. Black frame insertion is more important to me than super high refresh rates or VRR. Motion clarity is so underrated.
Seriously. I'm sad they apparently nerfed the BFI on the later models instead of doing some kind of brightness compensation. I love how near-CRT my CX can get with OLED Motion High.
I’m still running a C1/G1 for 60 FPS with bfi and that motion clarity for linear story games is like nothing else. The c3 bfi for 60 FPS still has motion blur since it’s basically mimicking 120 fps. C1/G1 mimicked 156 fps. I even think the CX is around 200 fps for 60 fps engaged.
Hows the MOTION BLUR for cx
@@mindrover777 there is none when running bfi on the cx, I hear that's the best for 60 fps bfi since it mimicks 200 fps, C1 is 156. The C2 and newer models mimick 120 at 60 but you also lose 120 bfi as well.
Have you tried running BFI + motion interpolation? Motion clarity is even better like that on my Panasonic, as it’s basically like running 120fps+BFI. Higher latency though
@@kristiangurholt59 yeah the c1 has it but you have to take it out of game and the latency is near 80 to 100 so that’s a no go.
@@beammeupscottsp7952 Different strokes..
So OLED needs a 1000hz to match 60hz on CRT/Plasma!!? Ugh …
Still, the Panasonic Z95A looks mighty fine combined with Panasonics handling of professional game profiles, analogue inputs and direct up scaling of 720p and 1080p kind of like the Retron, for perfect pixels on pixel art games. ❤❤❤
Not exactly.. I love my plasmas, but motion clarity isn’t perfect. 120hz with BFI on oled has cleaner motion than the best of plasma.
@@kristiangurholt59 It’s smooth, definitely! But it doesn’t get rid of the ghosting because OLED is limited to 1.6ms b2b response time, compared to CRT/Plasmas 0.002ms b2b response time (I’m not talking grey 2 grey, but black 2 black times here)
But it is still miles faster than LCD’s pitiful 18ms b2b response time, no wonder they started using g2g instead. 😂
I have a Panasonic TV. And I have to say that it has the best picture quality I have ever seen. I'm still impressed with it to this day.
Panasonic HZ2000 and JZ2000 are the best oleds on the market. 120hz BFI on the JZ is crazy!
I want MicroLED so I can use an OLED-level quality without worrying about burn-in. And before anyone chimes in that burn-in isn't a problem anymore... yes, yes it is. It's a serious problem, especially for anyone using an OLED as their desktop and has things like a task bar rendering on their screen for 10+ hours a day.
Don't worry dear OLED burn-in fearmonger, it's a lesser problem than you think it is. Expect to see consumer grade Micro-LEDs in 5 to 10 years.
@@anssiaatos there you are! I knew "you" were coming. I love OLED for my TV, but not for my monitors. I have experience with this, and burn-in is still a big problem, even with newer OLEDs, as much as people like to tell you that it's not. I've even had burn-in problems with screens that get far less than many-hours-per-day use.
@@anthonyd4309 can you name which OLED models you experienced burn-in on, and the extent?
@@anthonyd4309hasn't John said he had his C2 as a monitor for over a year now and hasn't experienced any burn in? He didn't use any special mitigation methods either, like lowering the brightness or hiding the taskbar.
Yup had two premium OLEDs that burned in in under a year for the good one & even less for the other
People kept saying it's okay if you run it at 80%, but I paid for HDR, so I want all of my HDR, not this 2% nonsense
Even with the mitigation software to lessen burning, the display still gets dimmer overall as time ticks forward, & personally found out my eyes are too sensitive for the way OLEDs work, the smoother transitions of LCDs are less tiring if I'm gonna be using it for any serious amount of time
im more interested in the Sony approach going micro LED, hopefully they can have some good prices
I've had my 55 inch X900E for quite some time now. I moved into a house with a bigger living room. Will have to see on pricing, but would mind seeing if there is truth to all the OLED hype I've heard.
Get one of those 3d TVs from Samsung or lg. the motion clarity is unbelievable. It even beats the majority of monitors today in response time.
And I don’t know if its all 3d TVs but there are 3d TVs with one of the best fps boosters out there.
why is this transition to HDR taking so long? We've been talking about it since 2013 and still few monitors have real HDR10 and Dolby vision capabilities. Furthermore, many edge lit LCD monitors are marketed as true HDR but in reality they are fake. I find that many people still don't know what HDR is except the real tech nerds
It's true, a lot of it used as marketing spin. I have an LG ultrawide monitor which I use for work and is great, however, it's supposed to have HDR but because it doesn't go above 300 nits on a full window, it's basically a redundant feature. It makes no meaningful impact when it's on. On my C1 however, HDR looks fantastic.
Most OLEDs won't do 300nits on a full window
Infact I don't know of ANY organic displays that can maintain 300 nits full field, the highest is 250 sustained which is basically SDR🤷🏼
The C2 as a monitor is amazing.
Absolutely love my 42 inch C2
Agree, I have one too and it’s the best “monitor” I’ve ever used. I can’t see me upgrading for some time.
@@AdamTSLArecently found out about “prevent input delay” menu “boost” setting. I measured the input lag and it brought it down from 9ms to around 2ms. Ridiculously good for any monitor and you get the beautiful giant oled display as a bonus.
Do you use yours for work or gaming, or both? Just out of curiosity.
@@cun7usI use it for both. I do miss the higher pixel density of a smaller 27” 4K monitor, but it’s still very good. It’s so big that you can enlarge the text and it’s super clean. For gaming and media, it’s incredible. The only real negative is not having the features you normally get with actual PC monitors, like the monitor going to sleep and waking up when necessary. I have to manually turn it on/off
I want these companies to create a cinema mode where BFI plus brightness enhancers come together to create a great motion experience for 24p content. 144 hz would enable three flickers of a 24p signal similar to older high quality projectors.
That’d solve the blurring in motion, but wouldn’t it cause image ghosting? I’ve tried 30fps games with 60Hz BFI and it caused some weird afterimage effect, but I’d have to try it again.
@@jeffreymalone2079 yeah I’ve read that double images are a side effect and cause some blur. I think it’s a trade off and at 24p a filmic blur on moving objects is more acceptable to me than the stuttery motion of sample and hold displays. But that’s only my opinion.
Every cinematographer in the world just shed a single tear at your mention of BFI and 24fps films together. lol, The motion blur in film is completely intentional. I totally agree about viewing 24p content on a 144hz display though.
@@baldwinvp BFI simulates what a film projector does. I would think cinematographers should be embracing BFI as a way to truly honor the visual language of films. I go as far to say that a real film experience requires flicker for the proper motion experience. They’re coupled together, and the television manufacturers have not done their part to honor this visual language and are even working against it with frame Interpolation. There are directors still working to keep this format alive in the movie theater, but I wish we would get more from the filmmaker mode shipping with todays tvs.
Just placed an order on the 42" LG C3 OLED with the plan to use it as a monitor on my desk. I will hook it up to my laptop, PS5, PS3 and Switch. I've been wanting to get an LG C series TV for years, but always put it off and went with cheap monitor alternatives, but now it's finally time. Beyond excited for it, I just know it will blow me away. Also, I was lucky enough to stumble upon a discount and managed to get it for just under $900, if I calculate it from my local currency.
HDR 400 isn't the same as True Black HDR 400
I want better motion, BFI@120Hz, integer scaling, component AV inputs, but we get more nits upon more nits. I guess the wait is worth it?
Since diminishing returns begin at 120/144Hz, other than BFI, I see no point in going higher in refresh rates.
Most people claim to notice a difference between 144Hz and higher, but the difference is mostly "eh, you can kinda feel it", and nothing like the very noticeable jump from 60Hz to 120/144Hz.
bfi is best at lower framerates though.. at 480hz theres no point and you wouldnt even be able to hold that fps
LG make the best OLED TV's after Panasonic.
That true black hdr400 checks out differently to the LCD ones for sure and I'm sure it probably will have some decent highlights and vibrancy but I agree it should have been a bit better. hoping it gets a brigthness buff in an update. think I saw it has a decent warranty so they probably lowered the brigthness to stay on the safe side of that 3 years warranty or so.
4K 240hz Generation 2 QD OLED Glossy only 1199!!! Let’s Go !!
According to VESA HDR Trueblack is a separate rating just for Oleds. They are still rated above HDR 400 and 1000 due to better contrast but most don’t reach Trueblack 1000 due to a lot of Oled panels peaking but not consistently holding that brightness.
I have a g3. Playing Spider-Man 2 on it looks really amazing. Hell playing any game on it looks amazing. MLA technology and god of war 3 look great.
LG oleds are best, i got 2019 CX model and its still amazing i dont think i need an upgrade just yet 😊
same
Didn't the CX come out in 2020? 🤔
@@cun7usyes it did. And most regions didn't receive it until the second half of 2020.
Blurbusters aaid 1000hz for lcd. Maybe oled needs less
I implore everyone to wait until Phosphorescent blue OLED subpixels arrive before investing in this technology, especially from Samsung. The blue OLED subpixels are only 25% thermally efficient, meaning that 75% of the energy pumped into them turns into heat. Since QD-OLED uses blue subpixels for nearly all the light output, this causes them to have poor heat/luminance ratios that accelerate burn in. Phosphorescent blue OLEDs we’re just made production ready last year, meaning panel maker will be designing their products this year, and releasing them next year. You are gonna have major regrets if you drop 1500$ only for panels to get much brighter and more reliable the following year.
My alienware 34 inch ultrawide is hdr 400 true black certified but it also has a 1000 peak brightness mode so in that mode highlights can reach 1000 nits. Itjust is not vesa certified in that mode. So I think this is the same with the new samsung monitors.
I have a super ultra wide g9 and its better for productivity than the 21:9 equivalent for sure. It's much easier to snap windows as it performs more or less identically to a dual 16:9 setup. Yeah you have to set pretty low FOVs to have it not look warped. I usually have it set to 80. However, the real fix would be an FOV linearity adjustment. Sim games also have a whole bunch of camera settings to cater to these monitors. It is a pretty sick sim racing monitor if you use it with trackir
Been holding off on upgrading my C7 OLED until after seeing what CES has in store for 2024. I think this is the year I'll go ahead and upgrade. Been using my 55in C7 as a monitor for work and gaming the last few years with no issues, but im ready for some of the newer features and tech.
The long and short of the DisplayHDR standards as they apply to the discussion in this video is that "DisplayHDR True Black 400" is not "DisplayHDR 400". VESA's own blurb for True Black 400 quotes "up to 50X greater dynamic range and 4X improvement in rise time compared to DisplayHDR 1000", to try and illustrate just how different the two ratings actually are.
QD OLED > MLA OLED. The G3 is a great display, but the Sony A95L and Samsung S95/90C are simply better. Not sure why John is so brand loyal to LG when they’ve fallen behind.
For the love god, someone make a 4K or 5k Oled ultrawide with an accurate colour gamet. Alienware just needs to do it, I‘ll buy it and so will every other editor
I have a 32:9 and it's both brilliant and a bit of a hindrance, honestly for gaming I rarely do fullscreen, I shouldn't need to physically move my head to play a game, but it's dead handy for production and coding, I love the real estate it offers but probably wouldn't replace it like for like if it were to fail.
I have the g9 57''. I was always holding up on super ultrawide since none of them had the resolution. I jumped on it has soon as I could, even though it costed me a liver and a leg. I love that monitor for gaming and productivity as a game dev. I'm pissed with Nvidia since I can't drive the full 240hz at full rez with the DisplayPort 1.4 on my gpu...
Great monitor. Love ultrawides. Rocking a G5 ultrawide here. Could never go back to 16:9 displays after using them.
Yeah it is crazy that folks still hype 1080p and 1440p at 27" and up. This was ok 20 years ago as a TV, but as a PC monitor looking at the screen door effect sucks.
I don’t really think they need to go above a 1000 nits. I have a TV that does that and it hurts my eyes at times. I prefer my LG C2 over it due to that. I’m upgrading my TV in 2026 I think so if the C series still doesn’t have the MLA I’ll get that.
Oh and I still have a CX and agree with John about the BFI, it’s stupid they stopped that.
You do not understand HDR at all then. 1000 nits is in small windows for OLEDs as full screen is usually really dim at like 200 and below. HDTVtest fact: Your OLED TV is not bright enough, watch that and then you will understand why higher peak brightness is needed. Also dim days in real life are higher than 1000 nits and you don't complain about it being too bright on those do you? Also your common light bulb is more than your TV and you can look at those fine. I really don't understand why so many are thinking 1000 nits is too bright or that we do not need more, if you educate yourselves on the subject you will quickly realise... Yes we do if we want better HDR.
Yes, I think that's just marketing. I have an LG C1 TV and will use it at least 10 years without replacing it. I can't imagine any TV coming on the market in the near future that is significantly better than the LG C1. Cinema looks fantastic and so do video games. And 8K resolution is pointless for a 55TV.
@@lilpain1997 I don’t spend time staring at a lightbulb lol. That hurts. 🤣
@@TheAmazingSpiderGuy_99 And again an overcast day is brighter than your TV that you claim is too bright to look at. You have no idea what HDR is nor what higher nits allows therefore you should not be talking about it. At least do research on the matter before saying something like over 1000 nits is not needed, when in reality yes... it is.
@@hereter3546 Its not marketing at all and if you bother to look into HDR and what higher nits allows you would quickly realise that. There are already displays that look far better than the C1 as well, the C1 is still great but there are far better displays out now.
I have the Acer - Predator XB273U NX 275 hz monitor with matte coating and REALY GSYNC module, but man I cannot wait for OLED, willing to go down to 240 hz. Need to maybe sell this monitor first though. Would be nice if real GSYNC modules were coming to OLED displays
I have seen so much hate for matte screens and honestly I don't get the point of it, why do people hate it so much? Granted, I've used glossy screens most of my life but do you have any thoughts on why people hate matte and if it's justified? I think it only reduces the experience by 10-20% at best
@@kaiserfakinaway5909 speaking personally, matte screens tend to dull the brightness and intensity, whereas glossy screens will enhance it. Also, on OLEDs you really are getting a pure black image with glossy screens, instead of a "carbon black" image on matte screens. To most people it probably won't make a lot of difference, but to the purists it does.
Maybe they'll eventually get rid of the dreaded burn in within the next few iterations. Until then though, I'm satisfied with my MiniLED.
Steve from Hardware Unboxed looked at the new 480Hz displays and raved about them. He's an e-sports nut so his eyes must be trained to see all the frames or something because I doubt it would knock my socks off like I did for him.
A 520Hz monitor was also announced during this year's CES
Love John’s reaction pic, he’s giddy like a schoolgirl for this new oled tech
Unless VRR gamma stuttering is solved, I’ll be waiting for Micro LED
The problem I see with HDR computer monitors seems to be more of an issue with Windows implementation of HDR. As newer monitors can adjust and implement HDR on the fly and especially with consoles, HDR is great.
Windows 11 HDR is much improved.
I've got a bunch of 1080p kit and displays from 2010-2023 that works great.
I have a total of THREE devices that can output in 4K. One console, one GPU and one laptop.
I've purposely held back on overpaying for 4K kit until it matures and normalises in price. We're almost there, and 1080p/60 performance these days is obviously excellent. Therefore I'll move up in the next 2-3 years with ONE new display initially. Eventually I'll need a 4K projector.
It'll be 2030 before I feel that I need to get everything 4K capable. There's just no rush from my perspective. Everything's better the longer I wait.
It's the same as USB Type-C for me. Not buying it just because it exists, but that doesn't mean it's not excellent.
Now's the time where I want every new device I buy to have USB Type-C. Not 2016 when it first appeared on Apple laptops, and forced a lot of unnecessary spending for laptops with horrible keyboards.
Doesn't the cx cap out at about 600nits in it's most colour accurate mode? Pretty sure you're not seeing 800 unless it's in vivid mode.
John you should try a qd oled TV instead of the woled ones...
Yep. QD-OLED is looking like the way forward especially for colour volume, but the LG G3 is still king for overall brightness.
Sony is pivoting from OLED to Mini LED as the display technology of choice for its 2024 flagship TV.
Wonder why led will never be as good as oled qd oled is the next big thing super bright but sure mini led will always be brighter
@@Real.384 Sony has a philosophy of following image accuracy even in their consumer tvs. They said that with their mastering monitors being used more and more for bright content (in movies, series etc), they get a better result with their lcds rather than their oleds, at least while mantaining human costs. Basically they said that the average content output in the industry better suits the strengths of LEDs rather than OLED unless you want really high prices (also, they don't say that oled is bad or not suited to the task, they just say that their existing oled offer is good enough and that the improvements they could make with the tech are not good enough to justify new models for now). So if the average movies was acutally getting darker, had smaller highlights or other things where OLEDs are much better than LEDs, they'd be doing the opposite, most likely
@@edoardonigro8048all down to the public spending
@@edoardonigro8048I agree with Sony's position 1,000%, tried multiple OLEDs, frankly left a lot to be desired for how I use displays, plus my eyes are sensitive to the perceived flicker from OLEDs fast switching it's like it's easier to tell I'm looking at 60 still images & 24FPS movies just look painfully jarring so I had to go back to LED
I'm planning to upgrade to one of their 8K display once PS5 Pro is out, hopefully by then there's even better software, that's really what's necessary with all this low information stop motion streaming. VR in OLED(some)is decent though, but I still end up with the similar OLED eye fatigue compared to my LED VR display if used too long
Here is my dream monitor (OLED would be nice of course but IPS or other panel type would be fine). I don't want to upgrade to 4K yet. So 1440p, G-sync or G-sync/VRR Compatible/certified and with at least DECENT HDR (the hardest part to find it seems). All the ones I keep finding are "HDR 400" which I heard isn't even worth the cert. I'd like one that is at least HDR 600 certified. Plenty of 4K monitors with good HDR but doesn't seem to be any at 1440p ~27 inch. At least that I can find.
I dunno why I watch these videos really. I’m not the target audience. I have a 2007 40inch Sony Bravia 1080p TV and I’ll keep using it till it gives up on me. I can afford a new TV with all the bells and whistles but I don’t feel the need. I love the TV I have and each year it survives the happier I am 😂
The 1440p 480hz lg monitor can also do 4k 240
If it can't do sustained full frame 1,000nits HDR, I don't want it
Why is everyone using LG OLED tvs as pc monitors when they are causing issues with text and small icons due to their RWBG subpixel layout??
Most probably an oversight from the consumer's point of view. However, I think a lot of desktop OLED owners are primarily using theirs for gaming as opposed to productivity, in which case text and small icons on a white background aren't really an issue for them.
I’ll wait for the price to go down on the LG 77G3 when the new line-up is in stores. Still rocking the 65 Q9FN from Samsung but it’s time to upgrade and i’m going oled
Those 240hz 4k oleds are a dream.
I’ve been waiting for a 5120x2160 21:9 oled monitor with at least hdr1000. Looks like I will be waiting a couple years.
3000nits, why sure I like to go blind when I stare into a sun in game please.
No worries, direct sunlight is millions of nits 👍
That's peak brightness and definitely not on a full window. Average brightness on a full window would be around 700 nits or less, depending on the content. Also, you'd be surprised how much light gets drowned out when you're watching in a sunlit room.
You are wrong, direct sunlight can hit 100 thousand nits and in some areas over 1 million nits, so at the moment the display industry is leagues below real life !
I want to see a tv that has better upscaling and good scanline filters
Any of these monitors solve the text fringing caused by the sub-pixel layout?
I would have thought John would have been more excited with some of the insane HDR coming out of LCDs these days especially since he likes BFI with HDR injection on the retrotink 4k.
You can set a custom mode for BFI with the tink and get 75% of the blower removed for 60 HZ
Because response time is significantly worse still. OLEDs have a near instant response time that you can feel when there is even slight stutter. I only started to notice stutter when I got an OLED because the response times are so good it is buttery smooth when you have a stable frame time.
Lg c3 42 inch on a desk is heaven
I love my CX so much. I'm worried it last much longer (10k hours)
I have a C8 that has over 3000 hours with no issues. Don't worry about it too much!
All OLEDs from 2019 onwards have panel protection technology, so you should be fine.
I just want a gpu to hit 240 hz 1440p native at the highest settings added, dlss or fsr. Just raw gpu power. Maybe 5090 will give me that.
Could crt filters for example in retro arch mimic actual crts glow with hdr?
The SoC chips have caught up to the resolution and refresh rate that manufacturers want to hit
Was there a mention about fanless Oled Monitors ?
And I'm sitting here, only hoping for LG to finally unlock GFN on their 2021 models to work at 4k.
I rather play on a 2060 with an OLED over a 4080 with an IPS screen.
This years CES is interesting with Sony dropping QD-OLED as the flagship 4000 nits, for there new mini LED system LG with MLA+ 3000 nits and Samsung drawing closer and Closer! Pushing Micro LED the potential is great to have new and remastered 4000 nit content with not more, but better looking pixels. Bring back 120hz BFI for ya retro tinks, the brightness loss may not be a thing soon.
The only time I will get excited is when OLED tvs drop in price.
No DP 2.1 😢
My $800 LG 4K nano cell 55 inch works good enough for gaming.
Its funny that I have 3 keyboards but not bc I'm poor. Still enjoying the channel ;) I have ordered my first hitbox which uses keyboard switches. But I guess you can't count it as fourth keyboard. Glarses do you have a hitbox (besides your irl hitbox ;) and what is your opinion about the 8bitdo mechanical keyboard? ☮️
Is there a hz refresh rate where light guns would work again on modern displays?
No because monitors don't work like CRTs.
Modern displays don't draw an image like CRTs do.
to educate @Dark1X on Vesa HDR standards, HDR True Black is a separate and higher standard to HDR. HDR True Black 400 is not the same as HDR 400 in class. And only OLED monitors can qualify for the True Black standard. Any VESA HDR True Black standard beats all the non True Black even at a higher rating. So HDR TB 400 is a higher standard than HDR 1000.
Do yourself a favor and look into VESA's standards before embarrassing yourself with your ignorance.
Misstep with the HDR 400 Trueblack discussion, but great clip otherwise
Could be my year still using a b9 but its been great
I'm waiting for Pholed, so 2025+ since I already have the AD3423DW.
Let him by the TV!
Can DP 1.4 even do 480hz at 1440p?
What the heck is the Lg companion app?
Until they fix burn-in no thanks.
Ultra wide equals paying more for fewer pixels.
They chopped the top and bottom off your display and you pay more money .
I’m definitely just getting 32 inch old lead 4K to 40 Hz monitors that’s an endgame monitor has more pixels than a 5K ultra wide.
I use a 21:9 1440p as my primary monitor and have zero intention of moving to a 16:9 4k just for a few more pixels that I'm not getting value from anyway. The superwide is way better than the superfluous extra pixels, IMO.
@@anthonyd4309 hey man as long you’re happy with it good for you xd
That's not how it works, you need to understand aspect ratio. You're actually getting more screen real estate with an ultrawide. Besides, there are a few ultrawide monitors on the market that give you basically the same resolution as 4K 16:9 monitor expect wider. The main trade off is extra GPU power due to more pixels, which usually means lower frames, but most people are fine with anything above 80fps.
@@cun7us as someone who works in game development and film I think I understand aspect ratio.
Most games, in fact, clip the top in the bottom for competitive fairness, yes, some games used to just have a set height, and then the wider, your screen the more you see, some of the old RTS games work that way, not for new games, fov is set from the diagonal, and so 1:1 would technically give you the highest surface area.
Now there are exceptions like racing games , where they tend to just keep the focus on the vertical so you get more speed feeling.
But that’s not even the point , ultimately, if you look per pixel 4K screen is 8 million pixels and 3440 x 1440 ultrawide is 5 million.
And the ultrawide is probably more expensive, It is effectively almost 4K screen with the top, and the bottom cut off. That you pay more for
Now, if you wanna argue about pixel, screen, size cool , I can get a 4K 40 inch monitor for less than a 34 inch ultra wide,
And they’re about the same width , with more pixels.
Youcan buy whatever you wanna buy, its fine, but my argument is sound.
@DF Clips 77” is the way to go for proper 4K movie watching and gaming. If you have one you never want back! So go, John!!!
Bought one 4 years ago and gonna upgrade this year but at €3500-€4000 for a 77” it will be quite an investment but no way I am going back to 65” .
And usually I buy Sony but MIGHT switch to LG as Sony’s new Oled’s somehow only has just TWO (no typo!) 4K HDMI ports. I mean….really?!? Two?! In 2024!
Got a 4K player, a 4K TV box, a PS5 and a Series X. How an I going to do that?!?
Quality audio systems should solve that, they usually have multiple HDMI passthroughs
Sony's usually have 2 visible ports to the side & 2 others located elsewhere usually the back(all 4K with various bandwidth {most devices won't need full}) +legacy ports if applicable which for me come in handy, especially since I plug my woofer right in for my bedroom displays
@@ChroniclesofKToyoda yes but not all 4K
@@pieterbalk-ht7kq which model specifically, I'd like to to see what's going on, in case it's the MediaTek SoC?
Usually they are all 4K, just one or two might be 2.1 vs 2.0, both formats of which will do 4K in different methods, only sub 1.4 can't do expected 4K
@@ChroniclesofKToyoda not at home right now. Can check later. Model of the TV or Soundbar?
@@pieterbalk-ht7kq whichever new Sony TV you say has only 2 4K ports
It might be a misunderstanding because it might just be 2 sets of different 4K port pairs, As I've never seen a modern 4K Sony TV with less, but anything's possible, & if it is I want to understand why
Not gonna be talking about how TVs are better for PC. Time to ditch those LG OLED tvs lol monitors are superior again
Mama says MiniLED fanboys are so ornery because they got all that brightness and no contrast
Great movie 😂
Gonna play Terraria at 480Hz
W-OLED >> QD-OLED
HDR 400 is making HDR look like a gimmick to the public eye 😵💫
HDR 400 and Vesa True Black 400 are 2 different tiers.
True Black 400 is higher up the tier list than HDR1000 if you check on google.
My alienware qd oled has both modes, but i prefer the hdr1000 mode.
@@iSteveGWT Let me break it down for you 👍
DisplayHDR 1000 is a high-tier standard mainly for professional and enthusiast monitors. Its highlights include:
- Super bright peak luminance at 1000 cd/m², making things really vivid and bright.
- Sustained brightness of 600 cd/m² over the whole screen, which is great for consistent viewing.
- It uses local dimming to improve contrast significantly.
- The color gamut is really wide, covering over 99% of sRGB and 90% of DCI-P3, which means colors are super accurate and vibrant.
- Requires 10-bit image processing, ensuring smooth color transitions.
On the other hand, DisplayHDR 400 TrueBlack is designed for OLED and similar displays, focusing on delivering deep black levels and detailed shadows. It offers:
- A peak brightness of 400 cd/m².
- The ability to reach incredibly low black levels (0.0005 cd/m²), perfect for seeing details in dark scenes.
- Offers a dynamic range that's much greater than DisplayHDR 1000, enhancing visual detail in both bright and dark areas.
In simple terms, DisplayHDR 1000 is all about high brightness and vivid colors, making it great for professional work in photo editing, graphic design, and gaming. DisplayHDR 400 TrueBlack, with its focus on deep blacks and shadow details, is perfect for watching movies or gaming in dimly lit rooms, where you want to see all the details in dark scenes.
Which one is better? Well, DisplayHDR1000 sure is brighter, if that's what we are looking for.
displayhdr.org
Why the marketing people have to make things so complicated and obscure 💩
@@anssiaatos yea the naming schemes for all these monitor and pc parts are dumb, just a jumble of letters and numbers unless you read up on them.
480Hz test, R5 3600 😛
my eyes hurt looking at my 1000 nits tv how bad is eye strain with a 3000 nits tv?