Umm, the Titanic was an Olympic-class ship with the first ship being the Olympic followed by the Titanic and the Britannic (Originally called the Gigantic before the Titanic's sinking).
Just to make a correction at 4:10. Matt said that Oceanic's bridge was on a separate island, away from the main superstructure, much like on the Big Four. Actually, Oceanic's bridge was part of the main superstructure, just like on Olympic. I'm sorry that you had to read this.
He may had just been confused, after all researching and needing to know over 50 ships just to design one ship, you'd probably get confused from time to time
I'm fascinated by the hand drawn plans. I am sort of into architecture and we're so used to drawing in CAD that seeing pencil plans again is interesting. Loved the video, love the project. This got me thinking about the differences between the actual Titanic and the classic Adventure out of Time version. Cheers!
The saloon dome was next to 3 baths, just imagine your sitting in the first class dining room during dinner, and toasting to your companions, then you hear a flush next to the dome.
@@ninnobroggi Yes, but it did still have a purpose. Four funnels just make ships look, bigger. With ships like the Queen Mary you don't need that because the ship alone looks massive.
I think Mikosch2 referred to one VERY early design that shows Oly with three funnels and four masts. I don't think he wanted to get taught about the purpose of the 4th funnel of the actual design...
I've been waiting for someone to cover the Olympic Class' OG design in-depth for a long time now! Thank you for posting this! You've just gained another student at Titanic University.
@@ConanSmoke I feel like he could back this project 100%, to speed thng up y'know... the guy knows people and has a lot of money... he's prolly just being selfish, cuz I doubt he doesn't know of THG yet. Bastard!
As an architect my first noticing bit was that the original layout had waaay more rooms without any natural light. It would have been horrible by that size. On the other hand though, the fitness center amidships is a very nice thought.
I'd like to know about the original original design, where the bridge was separated from the Boat deck along with several areas of the stern. When was it conceived? How long was it actual, before it was changed? Great and interesting video as always.
What you’re referring to is based off of a sketch from a March 1908 issue of the New York Times. Most likely, it was a imaginative guess based off of what previous White Star liners looked like. I have my doubts if this is actually what the Olympic class was originally intended to look like, especially considering there’s no official documents from Harland and Wolff or White Star to support this, plus by 1908 the designs for Olympic would already have been finalized, at least the hull, since the plans for Design ‘D’ were finished by July 1908.
Turns out the "original design" was never a real concept. According to Mark Chirnside, it was just a concept image in the papers about what the ships 'could' look like. Possibly based on what was already known about them if anything: maybe that they only needed 3 funnels got into the public mind before White Star added the fourth one.
As a fine artist and designer, I take great delight in studying the processes involved from conceptual designs to final layouts. So many technological as well as aesthetic innovations made along the way ! Thanks Matt! You're the best!
I never knew that the grand staircase was not going to be so grand, it's funny because when somebody says Titanic most of us think the grand staircase, it's funny how much different it was then (in 1908) and later (in 1911) it's so crazy. Thanks for the videos, at least I can believe 100% of these videos as there has been so much research into this.
Wait wait wait wait wait WHO ARE THE DEMONS WHO LEFT 18 DISLIKES ON THIS VIDEO WHEN IT CLEARLY DESERVES NO DISLIKES!!!!!! Ok I may have gone a bit to insane, but still these are the people who are making a 100% recreation of the Titanic they don't deserve any dislikes on any videos.
Interesting that those Olympic 1911 deck plans differ a bit from what's usually seen in most other 1911 plans. Looks like quite a few last minute adjustments were made to her layout
Nonsense. That was a fairly standard design for Cunard ships. As for "side structures", are you refering to the wing cabs? Extended bridge wings became necessary as ships got bigger so a better view alongside the hull could be gained during docking. The cabs were simply added to provide shelter from weather for the officers or crew stationed there. Olympic originally had no wings and Titanic had them only about two feet out. They were added to Olympic soon after Titanic as it was found they help immensely in manuevering such large hulls. Queen Mary had extremely extended wings for an optimal view. Curving the bridge structures was needed to allow "peripheral" sight more readily. Notice wings terminate further aft than the bridge/wheelhouse structure, giving an unobstructed view to each side.
After the successful launch and maiden voyage of Olympic, they made some changes to TItanic. But after Titanic sank, they had to make some more changes to Brittanic in order to make her safer. For example, on Titanic they closed the promenade decks which are open on Olympic
I’d be very intrigued to see a conceptual design of the first class dining saloon with a dome...all the way on d deck. So it’s under the lounge, would there have been artificial lighting in the dome permanently being the dome was covered by another deck? Or would there have been a shared sort of dome that it shared with the lounge to allow natural light in?
I recommend you to find pictures of the libraries of the Oceanic and the big four. In those, you Will see that the middle of the room featured a large table with a glass top that actually worked as a dome for the dinning room right below.
It appears that the dome for the D Design wouldn’t have connected with a skylight so it would have been enclosed like the Majestic’s (1889) dining saloon dome.
Ahhh...this is what I’m looking for! Found a picture of the tabletop/dome design of the first class library. That’s an interesting design. Ultimately, I’m happy with the final design that came about. But you can see similar trim pieces in the oceanic library that reminisce of the first class lounge on titanic, so it is very easy to imagine it like this. Cheers
The whole omittance of the dome over the first class dining saloon confuses me; I mean the addition of the cabins where the dome would have been would have been only a marginal profit, plus the loss of ventilation. The Olympic class dining saloons must have been very stuffy, especially on a humid day (imagine being anchored in NYC in the middle of the blazing summer, as it does get humid here).
YES Lusitania and Mauratania had much nice Saloon's and over all I think much brighter interiors much ore use of domes and sky lights. IT wasn't until recently I discovered that I much prefer the Lusitania and Mauratania to Olympic class ships. In my opinion they are much prettier......except for the staircase and lack of Ritz Restaurant of course.
@@MaxTheMann I’ve heard the only reason it didn’t capsize is because they took a lot of coal out of the starboard side (to put out that coal fire) and moved it to port side. Although I’ve only heard that on the Honor and Glory channel and I cant seem to find a source for it so idk 🤷♂️ I feel like that channel is a pretty trustworthy source tho for what it’s worth
Indeed Olympic's dining saloon was quite stuffy, however Lusitania's dining saloon was also quite stuffy, so I don't know how much having a dome actually makes a difference as far as ventilation.
The Dining Saloon I don’t think was inspired by Cunard, as it’s only one story and not two like Mauritania and Lusitania. It resembles more of Adriatic’s and the rest of the big four which had just a done over the dining room.
Andrew James I heard about that too but I think it was just an idea and never implemented onto paper/design. It may have been because it took up valuable cabin space. And I was really talking about Design D in the video where it has just a dome.
Wonder if we'll eventually get this version of Titanic modeled like in-game? One of several AU Titanics, including the original 3-funnel design! The 1st-Class domed dining saloon would be especially interesting to see in-game.
As an Architect, i love to see the plans! Amazing video as usual hahaha. Do you know where i can find to buy (or for free) HD blueprints of the plans to frame it?
Maybe White Star originally envisioned the 2nd class as being more popular than it was? That would explain the high capacity dining saloon and the large number of 2nd class E-Deck staterooms. The position of the 1st class grand staircase and elevators at one end of the 2nd class cabins would suggest that these could be used for 1st class overflow. The final product saw a similar configuration, but the other way around.
At 14:16 it fascinating to see the class divide even in the lavatorys. The Womens Lavs has less wider stalls than the Ladies Lav next to it. Same for the Mens Lav less wider stalls than the Gentlemen Lavs next door. How would they seperate the peasants from using the high lords toilets ? Did they have a 24/7 guard on each door ?
What's fantastic these days is how a new younger generation is into Titanic, and not just into it for the same old tropes and legends as previous generations wanted to hear about but excited to bust the myths, wishy-washy history and cliches, plus want to know the context of Titanic and how she fit into the world at that time compared to other liners. When I was 19 (2004) there were internet forums, fan clubs, public talks and some websites for in-depth Titanic knowledge (resulting from the explosion of interest and information released when Cameron's movie and dive expeditions came out), but people were much older and I didn't seem to see anyone around my age into Titanic and passenger steamships. Now there's many more younger people into it who are following on from those previous generations' work and putting in their own research and producing content like these channels and using new tech so it's accessible to ever younger audiences. And that has led to the next leap in Titanic related media - simulations and games - with Honor and Glory I think providing the same leap in public interest and commitment to detail and research as Cameron's movie did 20 years ago. Despite people continuing to make awe-inspiring models, the most exciting Titanic related projects seem to be games and RUclips videos as the TV shows and films of Titanic peaked with Cameron's film. Ha! that's a lot of waffle, but I do think it's pretty cool how interest in passenger steamships interest ain't going anywhere soon, its here to stay!
I'd be fascinated to see a video about the electrical generation and distribution on Titanic. Would really tickle my electrical engineering student brain.
Imagine, if you would, this plan (D) with decorations executed in the style of Mewès and Davis - that not so grand grand stair would have looked quite like Aquitania's!
Since the 1908 plans lacked the aft mast, where were they going to suspend the ariel antenna for the wireless telegraph? Correct me if I'm wrong, but was the antenna for the wireless machine connected to the rigging between the masts?
I think they probably decided to not have the dome in the restaurant because the restaurant would be busiest at night time and it was dim enough as it was even with all the ceiling lights, and a dome would make it impossible to have virtually any ceiling lights
Can you please do a video on the watertight doors? Ive heard over the years that the doors only went up to E deck because they wanted more room for the saloon deck, thereby making them not actually water tight.
I'm a fan of the old great regular traffic ocean liners, and so of course I'm fascinated with titanic and details about it as well. one question for you Mr De winkeleer, that had been running around my mind ever since I got to play the extraordinary grand demo of honor and glory, which I believe you played a big part in developing: why are the first class corridors in honor and glory so narrow in comparison to what we see in James Cameron's 1997 movie, which was as I believe created to the smallest detail in set design from what I read? for example: the scene right after she hit the Berg, Hockley is seen storming out of his b-deck parlor suite and the Stuart says "sir, there is no emergency". the corridor there looks broad, bright and carpeted. was that a movie error or an assumption they made because there are so few actual pictures of titanic's interior or maybe because they needed enough room for the filming equipment or what's going on. if you could find the time to look into this matter, I would only be most grateful! I thank you for all your tedious work and research and will subscribe to your channel right now. thank you in advance and have a very safe and pleasant day or evening, depending on your respective timezone 😉 yours sincerely, Marc Weschta from Germany.
I feel like the elevators would have been more useful on the 1908 design. The Gymnasium is all they way down on on F deck, with the pool, and the turkish bath, and the elevators ran all the way up to boat deck. 3 elevators was clearly not needed in the design at all, and they were more of a gimmick then useful because they only served limited decks anyway. Stretching all the usable 1st class decks makes more sense to me, and carrying people back up from time at the Gym or the Pool back to their cabins makes sense to me.
I wouldn't mind seeing the 1908 design for titanic fully rendered in 3d. It would be pretty awesome to see how it would've looked, despite being almost similar, if White star and Hardland & Wolfe kept it.
With regards to the lack of crew toilet doors - this only appears in the firemen accommodation areas and the rest of the crew accommodation around the ship show proper doors. These firemen washrooms were also the only crew areas with showers. The work was so filthy they were needed. Firemen were viewed as a transient, unskilled and largely disposable part of the crew and no doubt often included the poor and desperate. And the odd criminal. As such they were kept separate from the rest of the ship and the rest of the crew. Aquitania went as far as to give them a completely separate gangway. I'm wondering if the lack of doors was some sort of safety (or work avoidance) thing so that they could always be observed.
I never understood why they got rid of the dome over the 1st-class Dining saloon. It would have definitely helped with ventilation issues that may have been avoided in the final 1911 design
I know that domes over the dining room on ships was popular, but I've always thought there were a poor economy of space, as those domes take up a lot of area that could be used for more 1st class cabins, unless the room was on the upper decks,
They were used for ventilation mainly. Having flat ceiling was actually a mistake and the Olympic's dining saloon often got really stuffy even with portholes open
The Mail Room staff were amongst the first to die on the Titanic as the fools were trying to save the mail when the room was flooded trapping and drowning them, so if the Meal Room had been in the stern they wouldn't have drowned but they likely would've ended up freezing to death in the Atlantic instead.
I do really wish they made a grand two story dinning room like on the RMS Lusitania that would have been amazing! As Mark Chrinside claimed in one of his books/articles. Grand Staircase and a Grand Dinning Room would have beat Cunard even more! In some ways I perfer the Cunarders more than the Olympic Class. But the Olympic Class had more wide open spaces for exercise and if so wide you could ride a bike around the promandie deck. On the Lusitania it just seemed like if it got crowded there would be really no space for people.
Much as I like the Titanic I still think the German ocean liners of Hamburg-America and North German Lloyd were more innovative in their interiors. On Titanic the best design elements included the Parisian cafe, the recessed oval mirrors in the restaurant, the center light fixture in the lounge - very elegant, and the striking and apparently quite colorful linoleum tile floors in many rooms. And at least one cabin I saw had a somewhat British arts and crafts look to it.
Nice to see these conceptual plans from the original designers. You said you purchased them. Are they copy write? Are they going to be available for purchase by the public?
if I redesigned Titanic... I would have made the elvators go all the way from Boat Deck to F deck at both FWD and AFT Grand Staircases all so I would have placed at least 8-10 additional lifeboats at the 3d class promenade and poop deck all so I would have placed at least a manual water tight door at the FWD end of Scotland road and made the pool larger and more like on RMS Britanic with a fancy reception area for the "spa and sports" section XD
An interesting project, and one that would take many hours to make the comparisons. Unfortunately the commentary is hard to follow simply because the two differing design sheets have not been shown at the same scale for the viewers' benefit. How easy it would have been to adjust either of the sheets to match the scaling of the other. Added to that, it's all very well referencing various changes, but in most cases the viewer has no idea of where they should be looking because there is no pointer showing the narrator's area of focus; by the time one finds that area, the narrator has changed to a different area. The fact that most text is too small to be readable just adds to the difficulty in following the descriptive narrative. With regard to the photographs, I had a hard time wondering which period each photo actually represented.Was the staircase photo, for example, the 1908 version on the Olympic, or perhaps the 1911 version on the Titanic? That information was not clear. Had the presenter taken those practical points into account, I would really have enjoyed the video.
this is why James Cameron's Titanic 1st class elevators include the boat deck as well... he got it mixed up hehe... you have to hand it to Cameron... if it wasnt for his passion and research... we wouldnt know so much about the ship
Oh wow guys you missed an important question about the elevators. If they went all the way down to 3rd class does that mean the original plan was to give all passengers free range of the ship or would the operators limit the access?? If they were originally looking to have the classes mingle on board then it would have been revolutionary for the time.
Professor, I was wondering why they decided to add a dummy funnel on the titanic... And also what titanic would look like if titanic didn’t have the dummy funnel
It wasn’t a dummy funnel. It actually served a purpose, it feted smoke and foul air from the kitchens, doctors office, and fireplaces. The first three funnels were used for venting smoke from the boiler rooms, which is why they have way more smoke
Up next, Matt redesigns the Olympic Class.
Umm, the Titanic was an Olympic-class ship with the first ship being the Olympic followed by the Titanic and the Britannic (Originally called the Gigantic before the Titanic's sinking).
Yess
Legit replanning the Olympic class is super easy compared to anything Cunard. It was sooo adaptable on a plan level.
This must be a episode
@Matthew Chapman ohi
Just to make a correction at 4:10. Matt said that Oceanic's bridge was on a separate island, away from the main superstructure, much like on the Big Four. Actually, Oceanic's bridge was part of the main superstructure, just like on Olympic. I'm sorry that you had to read this.
I have a very good feeling i know you but i don't know were.
@@FreedomLovingLoyalist I think I've seen you before, too.
He may had just been confused, after all researching and needing to know over 50 ships just to design one ship, you'd probably get confused from time to time
I'm fascinated by the hand drawn plans. I am sort of into architecture and we're so used to drawing in CAD that seeing pencil plans again is interesting. Loved the video, love the project. This got me thinking about the differences between the actual Titanic and the classic Adventure out of Time version. Cheers!
It's a pity that they got rid of the saloon dome.
would have been the glorious thing to see
The saloon dome was next to 3 baths, just imagine your sitting in the first class dining room during dinner, and toasting to your companions, then you hear a flush next to the dome.
Last time I was that early the Olympic class was still going to sport three funnels in total, without a "dummy".
The fourth was funnel wasn’t a dummy. It was used to ventilate the ships’ interior spaces
@@shanestanton8 And to make them more Impressive
@@ninnobroggi Yes, but it did still have a purpose. Four funnels just make ships look, bigger. With ships like the Queen Mary you don't need that because the ship alone looks massive.
I think Mikosch2 referred to one VERY early design that shows Oly with three funnels and four masts. I don't think he wanted to get taught about the purpose of the 4th funnel of the actual design...
I’ve watched so much Titanicduring lockdown 🤣
Omg same
😂
I just wish that Honor & Glory was out already. Being able to play it would have made quarantine far more bearable.
Corona = thousands of Amateur Titanic Historians
Me too
I really like how the this is formatted into lessons. What a great idea.
Maybe a side project for the future. It would be interesting.
Nah... it look very basic, ugly and boring with the original plans
@@yiman7370 But it would still be interesting to see many of the 'basic, ugly and boring' interiors.
I mean...it's more or less just a conceptual drawing. How'd you interpret the design from that?
Seven decks; that is so many for the Lifts. And yes, it's lifts!
"...they're sister ships and itgitzmoreviewz." Matthew, you're awesome :)
I've been waiting for someone to cover the Olympic Class' OG design in-depth for a long time now! Thank you for posting this! You've just gained another student at Titanic University.
I wonder what James Cameron thinks of this project
When she finally sinks in game he will go in a virtual submarine in VR to see the virtual wreck of the virtual ship and make a virtual movie about it!
Kuskus The Blue Does that require rendering a virtual James Cameron also?
He’ll remind you titanic made a billion dollars, then he’ll pat you on the head and tell you to move along. Dudes a jerk.
@@ConanSmoke it made two billion, actually :D
@@ConanSmoke I feel like he could back this project 100%, to speed thng up y'know... the guy knows people and has a lot of money... he's prolly just being selfish, cuz I doubt he doesn't know of THG yet. Bastard!
As an architect my first noticing bit was that the original layout had waaay more rooms without any natural light. It would have been horrible by that size. On the other hand though, the fitness center amidships is a very nice thought.
I'd like to know about the original original design, where the bridge was separated from the Boat deck along with several areas of the stern. When was it conceived? How long was it actual, before it was changed? Great and interesting video as always.
I think this was still during the "Big Four, but bigger" phase from 1907 to early 1908.
I think the model you're referring to is just based on a single piece of rough/early artwork comparing the size of Olympic to Lusitania.
What you’re referring to is based off of a sketch from a March 1908 issue of the New York Times. Most likely, it was a imaginative guess based off of what previous White Star liners looked like. I have my doubts if this is actually what the Olympic class was originally intended to look like, especially considering there’s no official documents from Harland and Wolff or White Star to support this, plus by 1908 the designs for Olympic would already have been finalized, at least the hull, since the plans for Design ‘D’ were finished by July 1908.
Turns out the "original design" was never a real concept. According to Mark Chirnside, it was just a concept image in the papers about what the ships 'could' look like. Possibly based on what was already known about them if anything: maybe that they only needed 3 funnels got into the public mind before White Star added the fourth one.
As a fine artist and designer, I take great delight in studying the processes involved from conceptual designs to final layouts. So many technological as well as aesthetic innovations made along the way ! Thanks Matt! You're the best!
I never knew that the grand staircase was not going to be so grand, it's funny because when somebody says Titanic most of us think the grand staircase, it's funny how much different it was then (in 1908) and later (in 1911) it's so crazy. Thanks for the videos, at least I can believe 100% of these videos as there has been so much research into this.
Wait wait wait wait wait WHO ARE THE DEMONS WHO LEFT 18 DISLIKES ON THIS VIDEO WHEN IT CLEARLY DESERVES NO DISLIKES!!!!!! Ok I may have gone a bit to insane, but still these are the people who are making a 100% recreation of the Titanic they don't deserve any dislikes on any videos.
Interesting that those Olympic 1911 deck plans differ a bit from what's usually seen in most other 1911 plans. Looks like quite a few last minute adjustments were made to her layout
Queen Mary’s bridge was designed as a nod to the Titanic, that’s why you notice it has that same swooping curve design and the two side structures
Nonsense. That was a fairly standard design for Cunard ships. As for "side structures", are you refering to the wing cabs? Extended bridge wings became necessary as ships got bigger so a better view alongside the hull could be gained during docking. The cabs were simply added to provide shelter from weather for the officers or crew stationed there. Olympic originally had no wings and Titanic had them only about two feet out. They were added to Olympic soon after Titanic as it was found they help immensely in manuevering such large hulls. Queen Mary had extremely extended wings for an optimal view. Curving the bridge structures was needed to allow "peripheral" sight more readily. Notice wings terminate further aft than the bridge/wheelhouse structure, giving an unobstructed view to each side.
After the successful launch and maiden voyage of Olympic, they made some changes to TItanic. But after Titanic sank, they had to make some more changes to Brittanic in order to make her safer. For example, on Titanic they closed the promenade decks which are open on Olympic
I saw these plans years ago in Liverpool and they are massive .Another fantastic episode .Thank you .
This should be a paid DLC after the launch of the game. Also it's interesting to theorize how she would have sank if she had her 1908 design.
The thing that i love about Matt's videos is the ocasional sarcasm he throws arownd ahahaha
The problem with the OG design is that we don't have much source on the internet,so grea video!
Thank you! Not many people would research matters in such depth as you guys, love all your videos! But this one was truly unique!
I’d be very intrigued to see a conceptual design of the first class dining saloon with a dome...all the way on d deck. So it’s under the lounge, would there have been artificial lighting in the dome permanently being the dome was covered by another deck? Or would there have been a shared sort of dome that it shared with the lounge to allow natural light in?
I recommend you to find pictures of the libraries of the Oceanic and the big four. In those, you Will see that the middle of the room featured a large table with a glass top that actually worked as a dome for the dinning room right below.
It appears that the dome for the D Design wouldn’t have connected with a skylight so it would have been enclosed like the Majestic’s (1889) dining saloon dome.
Augusto Solari Oceanic and Celtic had the glass Dining Saloon domes stretching into the library, but not Cedric, Baltic, and Adriatic.
Charles Gentert But they still had domes.
Ahhh...this is what I’m looking for! Found a picture of the tabletop/dome design of the first class library. That’s an interesting design. Ultimately, I’m happy with the final design that came about. But you can see similar trim pieces in the oceanic library that reminisce of the first class lounge on titanic, so it is very easy to imagine it like this. Cheers
Take a shot each time Mat says "cabins" in this video :P
Its really interesting to see the changes in the design phase of the Olympic Class. Great video, keep up the amazing work!
I wish I could subscribe twice.
The whole omittance of the dome over the first class dining saloon confuses me; I mean the addition of the cabins where the dome would have been would have been only a marginal profit, plus the loss of ventilation. The Olympic class dining saloons must have been very stuffy, especially on a humid day (imagine being anchored in NYC in the middle of the blazing summer, as it does get humid here).
YES Lusitania and Mauratania had much nice Saloon's and over all I think much brighter interiors much ore use of domes and sky lights. IT wasn't until recently I discovered that I much prefer the Lusitania and Mauratania to Olympic class ships. In my opinion they are much prettier......except for the staircase and lack of Ritz Restaurant of course.
I'm guessing it was a topweight thing.
@@toomanyuserids The Olympic class was a very stable design overall and the Titanic did not capsize during the sinking!
@@MaxTheMann I’ve heard the only reason it didn’t capsize is because they took a lot of coal out of the starboard side (to put out that coal fire) and moved it to port side. Although I’ve only heard that on the Honor and Glory channel and I cant seem to find a source for it so idk 🤷♂️ I feel like that channel is a pretty trustworthy source tho for what it’s worth
Indeed Olympic's dining saloon was quite stuffy, however Lusitania's dining saloon was also quite stuffy, so I don't know how much having a dome actually makes a difference as far as ventilation.
Damn. It must've taken alot time to draw these.
Why didn’t they just use a computer
Lucas Boyle you have to be kidding
Some of the features seem like they were inspired by Cunard, especially the Dining Room.
The Dining Saloon I don’t think was inspired by Cunard, as it’s only one story and not two like Mauritania and Lusitania. It resembles more of Adriatic’s and the rest of the big four which had just a done over the dining room.
@@thejagotishow im pretty sure one of the early designs for olympic had the dining saloon extending up into c deck with a gallery around the edge
Andrew James I heard about that too but I think it was just an idea and never implemented onto paper/design. It may have been because it took up valuable cabin space. And I was really talking about Design D in the video where it has just a dome.
Lovely video ! Keep going guys !
Hauntingly brilliant!
I love his voice and his funny narrative ways
Wonder if we'll eventually get this version of Titanic modeled like in-game? One of several AU Titanics, including the original 3-funnel design!
The 1st-Class domed dining saloon would be especially interesting to see in-game.
WOW, thanks Matt. Great birthday present.
I own 2 wash stands from the "Cedric". So proud to own them.
*j e a l o u s e y i n t e n e i f i*
YES YES YES FEED ME MORE TITANIC FACTS (yes I’m weird)
Let teen boys in the boats!
I'm probably as weird and crazy for the Titanic as you are
1908 Titanic is my sleep paralysis demon
The early sketch of Olympic, with three funnels, is my sleep paralysis demon.
@@suSnayC I see these comments everywhere.
The original concept for the britannic
Is my sleep paralysis demon
As an Architect, i love to see the plans! Amazing video as usual hahaha. Do you know where i can find to buy (or for free) HD blueprints of the plans to frame it?
Love to see him again. 9:45 :D
and you should do a video on the 3 funnel deign (I modifyed a titanic model from floating sandbox into a 3 funel concept)
Maybe White Star originally envisioned the 2nd class as being more popular than it was? That would explain the high capacity dining saloon and the large number of 2nd class E-Deck staterooms. The position of the 1st class grand staircase and elevators at one end of the 2nd class cabins would suggest that these could be used for 1st class overflow. The final product saw a similar configuration, but the other way around.
At 14:16 it fascinating to see the class divide even in the lavatorys. The Womens Lavs has less wider stalls than the Ladies Lav next to it. Same for the Mens Lav less wider stalls than the Gentlemen Lavs next door. How would they seperate the peasants from using the high lords toilets ? Did they have a 24/7 guard on each door ?
Calling it titanic gets more views. So true, love this channel!!!
I really love your videos, theyre a gem! Do you think you could make one dedicated to titanics electrical systems?
I like how quietly and stealthily he said "and it gets more views"
What's fantastic these days is how a new younger generation is into Titanic, and not just into it for the same old tropes and legends as previous generations wanted to hear about but excited to bust the myths, wishy-washy history and cliches, plus want to know the context of Titanic and how she fit into the world at that time compared to other liners. When I was 19 (2004) there were internet forums, fan clubs, public talks and some websites for in-depth Titanic knowledge (resulting from the explosion of interest and information released when Cameron's movie and dive expeditions came out), but people were much older and I didn't seem to see anyone around my age into Titanic and passenger steamships. Now there's many more younger people into it who are following on from those previous generations' work and putting in their own research and producing content like these channels and using new tech so it's accessible to ever younger audiences. And that has led to the next leap in Titanic related media - simulations and games - with Honor and Glory I think providing the same leap in public interest and commitment to detail and research as Cameron's movie did 20 years ago. Despite people continuing to make awe-inspiring models, the most exciting Titanic related projects seem to be games and RUclips videos as the TV shows and films of Titanic peaked with Cameron's film. Ha! that's a lot of waffle, but I do think it's pretty cool how interest in passenger steamships interest ain't going anywhere soon, its here to stay!
Nice. I wish I could see the blueprints for all the components., not just the design but the drawings that can allow you to build.
My favorite video so far :)
Hey, where do you find all these deck plans? Great video btw very interesting!
I'd be fascinated to see a video about the electrical generation and distribution on Titanic. Would really tickle my electrical engineering student brain.
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Imagine, if you would, this plan (D) with decorations executed in the style of Mewès and Davis - that not so grand grand stair would have looked quite like Aquitania's!
Since the 1908 plans lacked the aft mast, where were they going to suspend the ariel antenna for the wireless telegraph?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but was the antenna for the wireless machine connected to the rigging between the masts?
Yes you are right. I was also wondering that
I think they probably decided to not have the dome in the restaurant because the restaurant would be busiest at night time and it was dim enough as it was even with all the ceiling lights, and a dome would make it impossible to have virtually any ceiling lights
Can you please do a video on the watertight doors? Ive heard over the years that the doors only went up to E deck because they wanted more room for the saloon deck, thereby making them not actually water tight.
u deserve more subs!!!!1
make 1 video on titanic's lights, oh those lovely chandeliers
Dang it! now i want a Design D Titanic in Stormworks!
i just realy like titanics outsides design it looks epic
Poor Matthew sounds like he just ran a marathon XD
he did
@Luca Yates ha
So what you're saying is....you're going to rebuild the "what if" 1908 Olympic?
Pleeease
I'm a fan of the old great regular traffic ocean liners, and so of course I'm fascinated with titanic and details about it as well. one question for you Mr De winkeleer, that had been running around my mind ever since I got to play the extraordinary grand demo of honor and glory, which I believe you played a big part in developing: why are the first class corridors in honor and glory so narrow in comparison to what we see in James Cameron's 1997 movie, which was as I believe created to the smallest detail in set design from what I read? for example: the scene right after she hit the Berg, Hockley is seen storming out of his b-deck parlor suite and the Stuart says "sir, there is no emergency". the corridor there looks broad, bright and carpeted. was that a movie error or an assumption they made because there are so few actual pictures of titanic's interior or maybe because they needed enough room for the filming equipment or what's going on. if you could find the time to look into this matter, I would only be most grateful! I thank you for all your tedious work and research and will subscribe to your channel right now. thank you in advance and have a very safe and pleasant day or evening, depending on your respective timezone 😉 yours sincerely, Marc Weschta from Germany.
I feel like the elevators would have been more useful on the 1908 design. The Gymnasium is all they way down on on F deck, with the pool, and the turkish bath, and the elevators ran all the way up to boat deck. 3 elevators was clearly not needed in the design at all, and they were more of a gimmick then useful because they only served limited decks anyway. Stretching all the usable 1st class decks makes more sense to me, and carrying people back up from time at the Gym or the Pool back to their cabins makes sense to me.
Berengaria was originally built in Hamburg in 1912 and called Imperator ;)
I wouldn't mind seeing the 1908 design for titanic fully rendered in 3d. It would be pretty awesome to see how it would've looked, despite being almost similar, if White star and Hardland & Wolfe kept it.
Where can we see the 1908 plans used in the video in more details? (i.e. download them as high-res images). thanks!
With regards to the lack of crew toilet doors - this only appears in the firemen accommodation areas and the rest of the crew accommodation around the ship show proper doors. These firemen washrooms were also the only crew areas with showers. The work was so filthy they were needed. Firemen were viewed as a transient, unskilled and largely disposable part of the crew and no doubt often included the poor and desperate. And the odd criminal. As such they were kept separate from the rest of the ship and the rest of the crew. Aquitania went as far as to give them a completely separate gangway. I'm wondering if the lack of doors was some sort of safety (or work avoidance) thing so that they could always be observed.
HOLY GOD THIS IS A BOMBSHELL OF A VIDEO!
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I never understood why they got rid of the dome over the 1st-class Dining saloon. It would have definitely helped with ventilation issues that may have been avoided in the final 1911 design
5:39 They moved the corridor out to B deck in front of the 2nd class entrance
I know that domes over the dining room on ships was popular, but I've always thought there were a poor economy of space, as those domes take up a lot of area that could be used for more 1st class cabins, unless the room was on the upper decks,
They were used for ventilation mainly. Having flat ceiling was actually a mistake and the Olympic's dining saloon often got really stuffy even with portholes open
Now I'm thinking in making a 3D model based off these simpler blueprints :3
I wish you the best of luck!
Again very interesting
The Mail Room staff were amongst the first to die on the Titanic as the fools were trying to save the mail when the room was flooded trapping and drowning them, so if the Meal Room had been in the stern they wouldn't have drowned but they likely would've ended up freezing to death in the Atlantic instead.
Some of the post office workers were seen above decks after the mail room went under so they were most definitely not trapped below decks.
Evidently the dome above the First Class forward staircase rattled when the ship was at sea.
I didn't notice of this change from 1908 to 1911 of this layout sheet of paper on the inside of the ship.
I can't imagine an Olympic class with those grand staircases
I do really wish they made a grand two story dinning room like on the RMS Lusitania that would have been amazing! As Mark Chrinside claimed in one of his books/articles. Grand Staircase and a Grand Dinning Room would have beat Cunard even more! In some ways I perfer the Cunarders more than the Olympic Class. But the Olympic Class had more wide open spaces for exercise and if so wide you could ride a bike around the promandie deck. On the Lusitania it just seemed like if it got crowded there would be really no space for people.
Much as I like the Titanic I still think the German ocean liners of Hamburg-America and North German Lloyd were more innovative in their interiors. On Titanic the best design elements included the Parisian cafe, the recessed oval mirrors in the restaurant, the center light fixture in the lounge - very elegant, and the striking and apparently quite colorful linoleum tile floors in many rooms. And at least one cabin I saw had a somewhat British arts and crafts look to it.
Would you do an episode about the Carpathia?
I'm confused, which plans are newer? Multiple times you say, later on they got rid of... and you point to 1908 plan.
Nice to see these conceptual plans from the original designers. You said you purchased them. Are they copy write? Are they going to be available for purchase by the public?
The word is "copyright". That is right as in the right to own, not write as in writing a story.
Where did you buy the blueprints?
if I redesigned Titanic... I would have made the elvators go all the way from Boat Deck to F deck at both FWD and AFT Grand Staircases
all so I would have placed at least 8-10 additional lifeboats at the 3d class promenade and poop deck
all so I would have placed at least a manual water tight door at the FWD end of Scotland road
and made the pool larger and more like on RMS Britanic with a fancy reception area for the "spa and sports" section XD
i’m not sure F deck had enough space to accommodate the elevators.
I would love to see the difference between that and Britannic
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Matt, another great video. Thank you. I'm sure you'll be forgiven for the clickbait title ;)
I'm very guilty of it.
Very naughty ;) Honestly, love your videos. You've a really nice way about you and good humour.
Why do you sound a bit off or not like the last just wondering
+Officer light toller This wasn't a scripted episode, he was basically winging the narration.
I really want to see a rendition of the olympic class based solely on the 1908 plans
I think the original design for the Olympic Class is great with the 3 funnels, it would only need to keep the interiors of the 1911 design
this original design has 4 funnels. so where is the "original" one with 3?
An interesting project, and one that would take many hours to make the comparisons. Unfortunately the commentary is hard to follow simply because the two differing design sheets have not been shown at the same scale for the viewers' benefit. How easy it would have been to adjust either of the sheets to match the scaling of the other. Added to that, it's all very well referencing various changes, but in most cases the viewer has no idea of where they should be looking because there is no pointer showing the narrator's area of focus; by the time one finds that area, the narrator has changed to a different area. The fact that most text is too small to be readable just adds to the difficulty in following the descriptive narrative. With regard to the photographs, I had a hard time wondering which period each photo actually represented.Was the staircase photo, for example, the 1908 version on the Olympic, or perhaps the 1911 version on the Titanic? That information was not clear.
Had the presenter taken those practical points into account, I would really have enjoyed the video.
The dinning saloon would look much better with a dome
"And it gets more Views"
this is why James Cameron's Titanic 1st class elevators include the boat deck as well... he got it mixed up hehe...
you have to hand it to Cameron... if it wasnt for his passion and research... we wouldnt know so much about the ship
Oh wow guys you missed an important question about the elevators. If they went all the way down to 3rd class does that mean the original plan was to give all passengers free range of the ship or would the operators limit the access?? If they were originally looking to have the classes mingle on board then it would have been revolutionary for the time.
At the time, it was required by law that 3rd-class passengers be separated from those in 1st- and 2nd-Class, for health reasons. So, no mingling.
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Thousand foot long Olympic with three smokestacks?!
Are there any plans online?
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Titanic Literally Unusable Without Racquetball court.
Professor, I was wondering why they decided to add a dummy funnel on the titanic... And also what titanic would look like if titanic didn’t have the dummy funnel
It wasn’t a dummy funnel. It actually served a purpose, it feted smoke and foul air from the kitchens, doctors office, and fireplaces. The first three funnels were used for venting smoke from the boiler rooms, which is why they have way more smoke