From the archives: Titanic shipwreck's discovery in 1985; survivors react
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- Опубликовано: 22 июн 2023
- The site of the Titanic wreckage was discovered by Robert Ballard around 400 miles off the coast of Newfoundland, Canada, on Sept. 1, 1985. “CBS Evening News with Dan Rather” reported on the first images released following the historic discovery of the shipwreck.
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In 2024, watching a news story from 1985 about a tragedy that happened in 1912. RUclips is awesome.
ok
Internet logic
Yea
@@southerncountryboy32 What?
Lies again? Babies And Roses Ten Commandments
Crazy how the titanic always finds it’s way back in the news
when will it stop 🙄
@@GETYOUREDUCATION When we learn the lesson. Seems we need constant repeat teachings to make it stick.
@@GETYOUREDUCATIONwhen people leave the wreckage alone
@@pavilionbug The same crap as the Pharaohs curse. People will believe what they want.
Lol
I would actually watch the news if it was still presented like this.
So true
Have you tried NBC Nightly News?
It is still presented like this on some formats. Too many people think Fox, CNN, and MSNBC are news channels when the are really opinion channels.
CBS still has a broadcast exactly like this
@@dd1862 1000%. If there were awards for truth in commentary, you'd certainly merit it for this comment.
Even this video is historical now. From a time when news anchors calmly reported the news, but didn't tell you how to feel about it.
@@thefox6568 - True. This was The CBS Evening News with Dan Rather. You planned to be in front of the TV when it came on because it wouldn't be repeated all night long and you couldn't view the clips on the early version of the internet (assuming that you even had a computer, a modem, and a subscription to an service provider).
This is still done depending on what you watch. Philly's local ABC news is good, NBC Nightly News is very much like this, and CBS has it to some degree.
@@thefox6568 cnn came out in like 1980
No Brasil acontece o mesmo, hoje os jornalistas não relatam fatos apenas tentam inserir narrativas politicas em tudo.
the news back then was agenda driven and lied to the people to further the agenda just as it does now nothing changed
I wish news would go back to this format. Straight to the point and delivering the facts.
too bad we can't due to the 24 hour news cycle
?? I don't believe you're watching contemporary news networks...
now just a media propaganda circus
Money, Strategy, and Marketing have perverted virtually our entire lives
It's not as effective for propaganda and pushing narratives of fear and hatred
"Now there's one wreck lying next to another wreck for the same damn reason" - James Cameron
James Cameron summed it up in two sentences in ways that 99% of journalists could never be able to do. Hubris, arrogance, and greed. A tale as old as time.
Was the titanic also poorly built using off the shelf materials?
@@gayjoebiden he meant the human component not physical.
@@gayjoebidenyes and no corners were cut but there are a lot of different reasons it could’ve sank
@@gayjoebiden No. The RMS Titanic was built with the absolute best of the period's materials. The story about her steel being inadequate and corners being cut are just 100% untrue. Evidence can be seen just my looking at her sister, RMS Olympic, and her long and storied carrier. (and No...they were not switched. 2 seconds of research will tell anyone that.)
Titanic was a finely built ship. Her loss was due to human mistakes.
The SATISFACTION the survivors felt when it was finally proven the ship broke! Imagine the frustration trying to tell everyone what happened and people saying "sure Grandma, let's get you to bed."
Honestly a lot of survivors said it didn’t break because it didn’t break like you see in the movie, she split slightly underwater and it was PITCH black once the power shut off. Like so dark you couldn’t see your hand in your face.
@@RandomOne1999that is so much more horrifying to me to think about it being that dark as all this I happening 😢
It is wild how so few folks at the inquests testified to it breaking in two. I appreciate how the 1953 movie leaves room for ambiguity with an explosion at the end instead.
It was definitely dark, but once your eyes are acclimated to it, the starlight on a crystal clear night does provide enough light to see shapes and forms, and absolutely enough to see the silhouette of the ship against the stars when you’re sitting in a lifeboat at water level. Not to mention the TREMENDOUS NOISE it would have to have made when it split apart. A structure that size and that strong doesn’t just quietly fold up like a wet paper towel roll..
@@Shoprestorationthe the titanic must have made loud sounds the entire time and visibility was near zero. There is an awesome video about it on oceanliner designs of you‘re interested.
Look at the quality of news back then. Truly captivating.
Quality in almost all worthwhile things has disappered. There was a period when that was unimaginable. Glad I got to see it.
Dan Rather replaced Walter Cronkite when he retired. Walter's closing line at the end of each telecast was "And that's the way it is"
exactly what he said: “look at it, dream about it, but don’t touch.”
Great quote & you can see the seriousness & wonder in his eyes why he said it.
look, but don't touch! touch, but don't taste! taste, but don't swallow!
Totally wrong. The recovery of artifacts for the public to see with their own eyes has done much to help preserve the legacy of the ship for future generations and have also given us far more insight for the long-haul. The idea that only an elite few should be able to see the ship with their own eyes in dangerous submersible journeys (which is what cost the lives of three) is ludicrous. I for one am more than sick and tired of all the sanctimony certain parties attached to the idea that artifact retrieval is "grave robbing" especially once the issue became moot. To this day I still hear certain jackasses in Titanic forums rant about how all recovered artifacts should be tossed back into the sea and that only shows how idiotic and crazy some of these people are in their sanctimony.
@@epaddon dang that’s krazy
@@epaddoncompletely agree.
The designer was onboard, he helped many women and children onto lifeboats. In the design and construction of the Titanic he was denied many more lifeboats that he wanted and he also wanted a stronger design that would have made the Titanic impregnable. He was last seen smoking quietly to himself before he went down with the ship and died aged 39. His name was Thomas Andrews.
Can’t say the same for Bruce Ismay.
Well Andrews was seen in the 1st Class smoking Room If I'm right about 30 to 40 minutes before the ship's demise. He was then spotted on deck throwing deckchairs overboard and then head forward to the bridge when the ship was about to plunge. He, along with Captain Smith, were sighted by a steward I believe, to have jumped over the port side bridge wing as the bridge flooded. They then ended up in the water and did not survive.
Edit: I imagine that the main reason they did not survive is because of there being no boats near them. Even though collapsible B on the port side was thrown of the officer's quarters, once Titanic evened her list and plunged, the shifting of water sent collapsible B to the starboard side, away from Andrews and Smith.
I can't tell if bot or esl...
bro, insane the titanic designer wasd in here just like submerisbale.........
Today men would especially woke ones would push in front of women
The fact that they had not yet found the stern half is a sign of how difficult (and extraordinary) it was to find any of it.
They were on limited time after completing their top secret sunken sub hunting work for the navy.
The stern has still not been found.
@@henryt9281 Thats nuts, I thought they would have found it even if it had shattered into pieces. (by now, 2wks since the OP, it must have been buried into the ocean if nowhere to be found)
@@henryt9281Not true, the stern has already been found and observed with many pictures taken. However, unlike the bow half, the Stern was completely ripped to shreds.
@@henryt9281 I think that I have seen it.
2:30 quite a historically significant moment here. The moment it's confirmed that she broke in half. It's amazing just how many witnesses stated that she broke but the verdict came down to what the surviving officers saw/ didn't see.
It was pitch black when it happened. So until it was discovered in half that why no one believed that it broke in two
@@daniellebrady6658doesnt matter if it was or not, you cam still see an outline of it and after the propellers had long been out he water at a certain a degree, COMMON SENSE will tell u a ocean liner doesn't magically right itself back in the water,....... unless catastrophic failure occurs. There are witnesses who said it broke in half. Certain officers were most likely told by there superiors to not tell the truth of it breaking, since the only witnesses who said it went down in one piece were higher authorities on that ship. No passenger ever claimed that.
Есть версия, что на корабле произошёл в итоге взрыв, потому что в котельной был затяжной пожар. И при ударе об айсберг ситуация ещё усугубилась.
“There superiors”. What exactly are there superiors??
@@johnrogers9481 is that serious question?
"The consequences of excessive confidence" .. Something Stockton Rush didn't consider
"Now there's one wreck lying next to another wreck for the same damn reason" - James Cameron
He died as he lived
@@levyan4718rushed
They didn’t consider several important facts. If they did it’s a good possibility no terrible accident and the losses to lives onboard the ship, didn’t occur. Mr AndrewsJr knew to not take the risks but his words were dismissed and made a mistake. What people were willing to do back when they were on RMS Titanic was just absurd and disrespectful.
@@Gioachina0279 the man was under a lot of pressure
Remember when news was news and not an advert for idiocy ?
It still is in Britain. Unfortunately, that is America.
I met Robert Ballard in Chicago at a Titanic exhibit at the Shedd Aquarium just a few years after he discovered it , what a class act He was . He had such passion and love with an immense respect for the Titanic and the lost . I was very blessed to talk to Him and meet him . A true pioneer.
I attended a book launch in Birmingham England for his book about the Bismark. He gave an absolutely passionate talk not only about The Bismark, also The Titanic and his family history. Riveting from start to finish, total Legend.
He also discovefed seafloor hydrothermal vents
Mr Ballard invited my mom on the trip that ended up finding the Titanic because she was helping with the math. But she has other obligations that year so she declined his offer she would have been at sea for months. She did say he was known around town for his collection of classic cars.
She said that to this day she doesn't regret not going but was glad his efforts payed off. She had got involved with a research project with a friend of hers. So she was busy for a few years. I am glad she didn't go because i wouldn't have been born if she had gotten mixed up in all that. Because she would have probably been consumed by the research. The curse of an theoretical mathematician who also has an degree in English and can read and speak old English middle English and modern English.
@@windyhawthorn7387 Your mom sounds awesome!! I have a master's in marine geology and have worked with tons of people (including myself) who have gone to sea on research vessels and it is such cool work! Everyone knows Ballard and in my field, he is almost more well known for the discovery of hydrothermal vents! But of course, the general public knows him from the Titanic, which is indeed an amazing discovery.
This whole comment tree feels historical. 📸
The wreck's condition was apparently much better in 1985 than today. The iron eating bacteria have done their job. The sister ship of Titanic lying in the Mediterranean Sea since 1916 has not that issue with iron eating bacteria because they live only in the Deap Sea. The sun light can reach the sister ship of Titanic and the ship is in a good condition.
Yeah it was much more intact even 73 years after being at the bottom of the ocean..it took a while for it to break down..
The Britannic should be raised to the surface and restored. It should sail again!
@@GregoryTheGr8sterYeah, send it to the Mars! 😂😂😂
Those wide angle shots are illustrations not photos of the wreck
@@vasiovasio😂😂😂😂
bob ballard is seriously one of humanity's superior bros
Right !!
The man is the BEST!!!
It's wild to see him so young. He's led a brilliant life. We're a more well informed species due to his presence.
He was looking for a sub not the titanic
@@levyan4718 yes and after he found the Sub, he was given a few days to find the Titanic. And pretty much was on the last day to be out there, he found it!!!!
This really shows how our journalism turned into a reality television show. It's disgusting what happened. We should all be ashamed of ourselves.
Why is it our fault? Newsmakers should feel the shame, not us.
@@sicknado We kept watching for too long. Their rating were just fine so they kept producing garbage. We all share the blame here.
The people that need to be ashamed don’t feel it
@@TheTarrManneed to stop smoking all that tar
@@JETS396 "Tarr" is an old nautical term.
People often don’t know this: what Ballard and woods hole were actually out in the ocean and paid to do was investigate the sunken nuclear submarines thresher and scorpion. They managed to get that job done so quickly they had a few extra weeks. So they went looking for the titanic with all this fancy US navy shipwreck equipment
Interesting!
Indeed otherwise how did Robert Ballard have the money to find it to launch an expedition which would have cost many millions of dollars in 1980s value...
And that fancy shipwreck equipment was designed by Ballard himself
@@JP-fs4cl Some footage from the event i mentioned. Same ship/equipment/voyae. You might notice the quality is better than was shown of titanic at the time, because the woods hole equipment was still classified
ruclips.net/video/FSNlBqHTJcg/видео.html
I thought they found the Titanic by accident while looking for the Thresher
It must have been some validation for those survivors who said that the ship broke in two, only to be told at the inquests that it had not.
I find it more eerie looking at footage from 1985 than 2020's
Ikr
Even looking at footage from 1912 from this 1985 footage.
I find the old footage grim and eerie
The newer stuff I just find is creepy and unsettling
I don't understand why Ballard is mentioning the second stack being there..no stacks survived
I remember being 8 years old and fascinated by this discovery. A month later National Geographic had a great article written by Ballard along with their always great photos. I showed this to my grandma who was 2 years old when Titanic sank-in my mind grandma was a tangible link to that time and she told me about how Captain Smith refused to save himself and decided to go down with his ship. Grandma was interested in the saga of the Titanic also and apparently read quite a bit about it and she was amazed at the technology that allowed us to view the wreck 2 1/2 miles down. One day she and I both looked through another National Geographic with another Ballard article entitled 'A Long Last Look at Titanic'. Miss you grandma.
Eva Hart always spoke so eloquently about her experience and her mother's experience abroad the ship and of course during/after the sinking. I would've loved to have sat and spoken to her about her experience.
It bugs me out that she still had a Transatlantic accent.
It's so odd to think that people used to assume the wreck was lying in one piece before they found out it actually broke up during the sinking
The official inquiry in 1912 found that the ship sank in one piece, despite numerous witnesses claiming to have seen the chip break apart after the lights went out. It wasn't until 1985 that the world learned that she ship in fact did break apart.
@@SaltySteff yeah
That's true. As a Titanic nerd ever since "A Night to Remember" came out, the common feeling was that the Titanic was largely intact and pristine on the bottom of the ocean. The supposed lack of oxygen, the cold temperatures, and generally "dead desert" conditions at that depth were believed to have preserved the ship.
However, we now know that the ship actually broke in two. Very little deep-sea diving had been done by 1985, so we now know much more about conditions there. And that such things as "iron eating bacteria" exist at these extreme depths.
@@delavalmilker Were you one of those people who believed in that misconception?
They used to be unsure. Some ppl thought it went in one piece others were sure it had broken in two. I was 14 when it was found and confirmed that it was in 2 pieces.
It's amazing how intact it was then, it deteriorated so much since that even if a totally safe trip was available I think I'd pass. It's not a fun tourist adventure anyway, it's a graveyard.
Isn't that weird??
It didn't look real...the front of the ship was missing the "ornament" peice the whatever they called that the flying angel lady...I think it was a fake image on the news
@@erockscott1184 the "ornament" you're describing is called a *Figurehead*
@@soulbot119 thank you
@@erockscott1184 titanic never had a figurehead, she wasn’t that kind of ship….
There has always been something about this beautiful ship! She never lets us forget she was here.
If news were like this today, I would watch it.
As James Cameron mentioned recently, the captain of titanic literally had printed out warnings of ice fields on their route. He ignored these warnings and we saw the result. Today, we see warnings ignored by the Titan sub ceo and we see the result. Tragic and horrific.
He did not ignore the warnings, he took Titanic further South. However the years and years of experience got to him and he did not change the ship's course further or change the speed. He was a good captain for his time, but unfortunately the way of thinking at the time was different.
And funny! Stupidity is always hilarious!
@@DonTheMoron716 you think it's "hilarious" that over 1000 ppl died in icy waters, due to greed and stupidity? That's FUNNY to you? wow. the sickness is real. That's so scary.. psycho... I hope you exist far far from anywhere I'll ever be in my lifetime.
@@eternal5930there was also pressure from Bruce Ismay to keep going at full speed
@westhunter2938 This is not true, Ismay was a passenger and crew were not obligated to take orders from him. He had nothing to do with Titanic's speed.
I visited Titanic museum in Tennessee very few weeks ago and so a lot of items including watches, plates, life jackets and many more. They had full size staircase build like exact copy that you can go through. It was very impressive. Sad to see that now we have a 2nd “history” next to Titanic. I hope it’s the last
it wont be the last, rich people always think they are above things like risk and death just because they have money, no rich person will learn their lesson from this - even the company hasnt as they are still offering trips, i dont understand why the titanic hasnt been made ilegal to visit as there are other historical sites/mass graves that you cant visit due to respect for the dead, this should be applied to the titanic also
Good point. I don’t think ocean gate will still do the tours after this. And there is no way somebody would go on exactly same submarine. Trust me rich people also afraid to loose the life because they have a great one
@@theaces3697 no, it shouldn't be illegal for the sake of freedom. Let them do whatever they want with their money. There's no dead bodies in there, it's just pieces of ship.. it will disappear in matter of decades.
@Tri_Beam they have vanished three or four decades ago, not even a skeleton is there. You can find shoes at most.
@Tri_Beam yep
It’s upsetting to know how close the ship was to America before it sank
I always til now thought it sank much further north in the Atlantic, since it hadn't been at sea all that long, when she hit ice.
Even more upsetting to think in light of the recent tragedy is that the Titanic was barely a few dozen miles away from much shallower waters. To the west and northwest, about 40 miles away was water which was "only" 500ft deep. Imagine that. Even a poorly built sub like the Titan could have safely made it to the wreck and back.
@@space-junkie Damn, that's a huge dropoff in the seabed from 500ft deep to 12,500ft where it sank some miles away. Would be an absolutely jaw-dropping sight to see that cliff under the ocean surface.
Titanic is still less tragic compared to MH370 but in both cases pilots were to blame for everything
Why so upset?
This video makes me sad. Not the Titanic part but rather the realization of how pathetic today's "news" has become.
Excellent observation.
Sad it is.
This was pathetic.
Indeed very sad
Thanks for uploading this footage I can’t imagine how mind blowing this would’ve been to see for the first time
I'm old enough to remember and it was amazing to see. I'd already read lots of books in my teens.
I remember that it was a huge story at the time and reignited "Titanic Fever" amongst the public.
I remember when it was found, I was amazed & couldn’t get enough of it
You’re welcome
"Even if they could raise it, which they never will, why would they want to? It's a graveyard. Leave it alone." ~ Dads, 1985
No one cares about your dumb feeling's, what happened was tragic but they should have tried to raise it back then, even if piece by piece, it's a historical artifact
Because the items onboard would be a wealth of knowledge into learning about what exactly happened at its final moments. Same argument is made for Edmund Fitzgerald. “It’s a graveyard leave it alone” yes but do we not have a right to know what exactly happened in the last minutes without shadow of doubt in order to learn from the mistakes.
So we leave every fatal car accident just sitting there?
@@mitchelloconnell8620 There is not a single method in existence that could raise a decayed hunk of metal from 12,000 feet below the surface without completely destroying it. One of the reasons people knew the search for the Titan submersible and the ‘survivors’ was fake is because there isn’t anything in existence that could have made it possible to pull tons of metal from the depths of the ocean. Your childish fascination means nothing in the eyes of science.
I got to go see a talk by Bob Ballard at the community college in my town when I was a teenager. Super cool guy, and because of that I never felt the need to descend 13000 feet under the sea in a carbon fiber coffin.
U needed his speech to feel that way, no disrespect intended at all but...
you gotta be cacausian
@@64coolnesswithout Caucasian there would be no Submarines or other Things u daily use
@RoseScarlet80 no one denied that. What u can't deny is how they die taking unnecessary risks, like this trip. Like putting their own son in this catastrophe they called a sub, to visit a graveyard 4 miles below the ocean.
@RoseScarlet80 and I don't use submarines on a daily basis, nor wouldi ever risk my life in one. Whites took a lot of their "ideas" from other races. Why don't you talk about that though, how unoriginal your people are?
@ellencarter2668 the whole point of me being in this thread was a joke. Rose took me seriously so I said what I said. Me making an observation about what certain groups of people do, is just that an observstion. Just because he wasn't white, doesn't mean he didn't try to participate in their culture, and throw his own people , and others under the bus to be apart of it
The last survivor of the titanic died at 97 in 2009
Honestly... How soothing and calm this format of the news is. Straight to the point, information delivered, no sensationalism. Please, let's get back to this and give up this overall noise we have created.
Great to see what the first images of Titanic were when we discovered her wreck in '85
And don’t even have to pay $250k to see
@@ajohndaeal-asad6731😂
It's* calling boats "her" is so cringey.
@@youeverseethesehandsfly5334Must be above your etiquette
@@youeverseethesehandsfly5334 that's the norm. People will continue to call a ship a She. Cringe or not
Seeing all those people waving their goodbye, not knowing that for a great many of them, it was their first and final voyage.. Puts things into perspective.....RIP them all +5
don't get too wrapped up in it, those videos are of her sister ship the Olympic (the windows on the top 2 decks are both open, Titanic's were enclosed). there only exists 2 videos of the Titanic, both of which were when she was still incomplete.
I love your black cat picture
@@bluecollarlit Thank you. That's Sooty. Found her abandoned and rescued her. She gave me the 2 greatest gifts ever, 2 more cats, bubble (sadly no longer here) and Squeak whom is THE most imprtant female in my life.
@@Cornz38 Aaw - thanks for this
@@Cornz38rest in peace to bubble 🕊️
Fun fact: the telegraph communication system broke early on in the voyage & the men who’d normally operate such a tool went against executive order & fixed the communication system on the ships final morning, saving the lives of hundreds of survivors & preventing this from being a larger mystery & tragedy.
is that sourced from some documentary?
It was all carefully planned to go down
@@robmule4647 /?
@@robmule4647 Oh my god, FINALLY another person who knows!
@@robmule4647 oy vey
when news broadcasters were actually aware of what they were talking about, notice how he called it a 'liner' instead of a 'cruise ship'.
Ballard's seriousness, passion, and respect are admirable.
It's upsetting to know another ship was just five miles away from the Titanic when it sank...and didn't respond to distress flares
They thought they were fireworks for fun.
@@frogman1941 which makes sense, you always see fireworks in the north Atlantic. lot of parties happening there at all hours
@@soulbot119 it does. They knew Titanic was around and was a luxury liner. Usually luxury liners do fancy things with their paying customers, therefore fireworks in the middle of the ocean was one of the activities.
There is some question about this, the refractive properties of the air and cold water may have resulted in a fata morgana type effect making the ship appear as though it was closer than it actually was.
@@soulbot119I mean, we know now that the rockets they used were colored rather than white as portrayed in the past. It would be understandable at least that someone might mistaken them for genuine fireworks.
Titanic still makes news to this day. She lives on and always will.
“It made people aware of the consequences of excessive confidence” and it was a sign of an era coming to an end. Really really makes you think!
I didn't realise it took them 73 years to find it
Interestingly lots of wealthy people showed interest in locating and raising the ship immediately, like the day after…essentially back then life insurance claims wouldn’t pay out without a corpse… owing to people disappearing, faking their deaths was quite common. So notably the Astor’s wanted to re float the titanic in the hope of getting a corpse. There’s a story about that I won’t go into Obviously first class passengers valuables were also of major interest. To directly respond to your comment we simply didn’t have any technology/materials/ engineering etc to do it. The Trieste went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench in 1960, however titanics last coordinates were about 50 miles incorrect, the issue then came to finance. Robert Ballard only found the titanic on a US navy funded mission to find the wrecks of nuclear submarines Thresher & scorpion… the US knew these submarines had been lost but feared the soviets had either had something to do with their demise or had found the wrecks and salvaged technology from them. Robert found the two submarines in the allotted time frame, and with a few days to spare. The deal struck was he could use those submersibles for the remaining time to hunt for titanic. He found it with 24 hours to spare. Otherwise we may never have found it, possibly through private expeditions years later. His saving grace was not finding the bow or stern section, but finding a boiler in the debris field. Which then obviously led him to the wreck.
@@jamesdelatour2266 1. How exactly did *anybody* believe the Titanic could be "re-floated" in 1912 when they were well aware how deep the Atlantic is at that spot?? They began measuring the depth of the seas using what is called a lead line in the 1840's already. I'd say that this claim of yours probably comes from one of those countless of sensationalist "news" sites. Or you made this up yourself.
2. "Obviously first class passengers valuables were also of major interest. " Right and the astronomic sum needed for the salvage of a ship would cost several thousand times the worth of those valuables. How does this make sense financially?
3. "Robert Ballard only found the titanic on a US navy funded mission to find the wrecks of nuclear submarines Thresher & scorpion… the US knew these submarines had been lost but feared the soviets had either had something to do with their demise or had found the wrecks and salvaged technology from them." Completely false.
First of all the position of where the USS Thresher had sunk in 1963 was *already known* and the bathyscaphe Trieste took pictures of the totally torn apart wreck between the 24th and 30th of June 1963. Trieste then took a second series of dives in late August to early September 1963. It was *clear* the USS Thresher had lost control and sunk deeper until it *imploded* . The Thresher was also in contact with surface ships during its test dive mission. The ship in direct control was called Skylark. As Thresher neared her test depth, Skylark received garbled communications over underwater telephone indicating " ... minor difficulties, have positive up-angle, attempting to blow", and then a final, even more garbled message that included the number "900". When Skylark received no further communication, surface observers gradually realized Thresher had sunk. A hydrophone on another ship also recorded a "loud distortion" which is probably when the sub imploded.
*So no, they knew very well there was no Soviet part or blame in this accident*
In 1964 they dove down to the USS Thresher yet again. The 1964 search included Mizar (with partial modifications but not a center well), Hoist, and Trieste II, Trieste's successor. That submersible incorporated parts of the original bathyscaphe and was completed in early 1964. The bathyscaphe was placed on board USNS Private Francis X. McGraw and shipped to Boston. Mizar did have a system called Underwater Tracking Equipment (UTE) by which it could track its towed vehicle, and it was planned for use to track Trieste. Before her departure from NRL in Washington, Mizar was equipped with highly sensitive proton magnetometers furnished by the instrument division of Varian Associates in Palo Alto. In use, the magnetometers were suspended on an electrical line that also towed underwater video cameras.
Mizar sailed on 25 June to begin the deep search and found the wreck within two days. The shattered remains of Thresher's hull were on the sea floor, about 8,400 feet (2,600 m) below the surface, in five major sections. Most of the debris had spread over an area of about 1,440,000 square feet (134,000 m2). Major sections of Thresher, including the sail, sonar dome, bow section, engineering spaces section, operations spaces section, and the stern planes were found. By July 22, most of the lost submarine had been photographed.
USS Thresher sunk uncontrollably due to a technical mishap. The inability to blow the ballast tanks was later attributed to excessive moisture in the submarine's high-pressure air flasks, moisture that froze and plugged the flasks' flowpaths while passing through the valves. This was later simulated in dockside tests on Thresher's sister sub, Tinosa.
As for the USS Scorpion. Its sinking is more of mystery for unlike the USS Thresher which was in contact with surface vessels the Scorpion was on a mission surveilling Soviet subs. However the Scorpion too imploded and had it been torpedoed by a Soviet sub then the sub would have sunk intact and there would have been signs of an explosion where the torpedo hit. The USS Scorpion was found at the end of October 1968, the Navy's oceanographic research ship Mizar located sections of the hull of Scorpion on the seabed, about 400 nmi (740 km) southwest of the Azores under more than 9,800 ft (3,000 m) of water. This was after the Navy had released sound tapes from its underwater SOSUS listening system, which contained the sounds of the destruction of Scorpion. The court of inquiry was subsequently reconvened, and other vessels, including the bathyscaphe Trieste II, were dispatched to the scene to collect pictures and other data.
Craven received much credit for locating the wreckage of Scorpion, although Gordon Hamilton was instrumental in defining a compact "search box" wherein the wreck was ultimately found. He was an acoustics expert who pioneered the use of hydroacoustics to pinpoint Polaris missile splashdown locations, and he had established a listening station in the Canary Islands, which obtained a clear signal of the vessel's pressure hull imploding as it passed crush depth. Naval Research Laboratory scientist Chester Buchanan used a towed camera sled of his own design aboard Mizar and finally located Scorpion.
So your claim that Robert Ballard FOUND the wrecks of those two subs is false.
But why was he then hired to dive down to those wrecks in 1985? The main reason was *environmental* . They both were nuclear subs and there was a serious concern radioactive material would leak out and cause a natural disaster. The Navy agreed it would finance his Titanic search only if he first investigated the two sunken submarines, and found out the state of their nuclear reactors after being submerged for such a long time, and whether their radioactivity was impacting the environment.
Here's the thing: The Navy has not released an official report of whether radioactivity IS leaking from the subs but unofficially they are "fine".
Underwater sea photography had also progressed quite a lot since the 1960's and they knew that Ballard with his new methods could take clear pictures of the wrecks which later could be studied by nuclear sub experts. The Scorpion was in such a bad shape it was as if it had gone through a giant shredder according to Ballard.
However they did also check whether the wrecks have been "visited" and something removed. Thus far it looks like the (former) Soviets didn't even found the wrecks let alone visit them.
It's always good to Google or Wiki any "good story" to learn the actual facts.
I recall the original news broadcast showing video of one of the scientists screaming, “It’s a Boiler….It’s a boiler!”
I was 17 years old in 1985 when they found it and remember being very excited that they found it. Everyone back then was obsessed with the Titanic too. We all knew about it and had seen movies about it, and we knew that nobody had located it. So when Robert Ballard found it in 1985, it was a big deal!
@@DR-mq1vn I remember getting _A Night to Remember_ from the library when I was a kid.
I became fascinated with the Titanic back in 1980, when I was 6 years old, after I watched A Night to Remember on TV. That summer, I remember my aunt asking me if I wanted to go to the movies. She let me choose, and I told her, "Raise the Titanic". Two scenes in Raise the Titanic freaked me out: the scene where the submersible implodes, and the scene where, after raising the Titanic, they find the mummified remains of someone who had sealed himself in a watertight compartment on the ship.
i love both those movies...
Horrifying to think that a submersible imploded not too long ago in the day and age we are in. Humanity has no idea about the ocean, there's a lot more to learn.
@@The27thTitan No way I would have gotten on that OceanGate submersible if I knew its hull was made of carbon-fiber.i doubt the passengers were aware of the possible consequences.
@@thehighllama8101 yeah, it's a shame. I do feel really bad for them especially because of all the hate they get on social media. They were brave to attempt it but I also do get why people think it was recklessness. The father making his 19 yo go with him is really sad.
43 years later, I hope you finally got a life and are freaked out about real things that matter
"We're still searchng for the stern. We can't find it. It does appear to be disconnected."
The moment everyone could put to rest on if she split in two or not
Those poor people died a hellish terrifying death
They found Titanic while searching for 2 lost US submarines. Crazy to think all of these happened in the same place and now the Titan too.
Yep, "searching for Titanic" was a cover story. Surprise, surprise, they didn't really expect to find her.
@@MsBatbirdactually the goal of Ballard was to find Titanic but he needed funding and what better way to get funding then ask the Department of Defense, hell NASA did it to fund the space shuttle
The subs were not lost. They knew where they were. He was there to document the state of the wrecks and their reactors. Fun fact is that the French team that were searching at the same time before Ballard joined up with them missed finding the wreck on one of their first passes by only a few hundred yards.
Fun fact: the video side shots and the image put in the newspaper clipping are not the Titanic; they are of the Olympic. Of the Olympic class, the Britannic and Titanic had the partial unenclosed promenade deck whereas the Olympic's was fully unenclosed. Easy to tell because of the full length black area along B deck. In fact, many images of the "living" Titanic are actually of Olympic; including the grand staircase. Sadly, the Titanic wasn't around long enough to be well photographed.
There’s only 2 known photos, that I know of that show Olympic and Titanic together. Actual Photographs of Titanic are rare
This is really neat to see all these years later. Thank you to the team that found it and the folks on CBS social media to post it. 👍🏼
I was attending a seminar in a hotel back in 1985 when out of boredom went to the hotel gift shop to get a magazine. I was in shock when I saw Time Magazine’s cover page “Titanic Found”. As a Titanic maniac since childhood, it was a dream of mine to see where it was and how would look Titanic in present time! It was surreal!
There is a book I recall in my elementary school library call TITANIC, I think by Dr. Ballard, and illustrated by Ken Marschall. It set me up to obsess over the ship!
dude ive had that that book for 30 years it rules
I bought that at a school book fair in the 80s. Still have it
Yeah my dad got me that when he noticed my obsession with the Nat Geo issue of the discovery (and Bismarck).
I thought for the longest time Ken Marshall was a photographer, not a painter. Many probably still do.
My mom had that in the 80s and she give to me when I had a titanic obsession phase as a kid
I had the book as a kid also. Same result. I have obsessed ever since.
I miss the 80s! I remember when the Titanic was found. I had just started kindergarten only a few days before this report. I remember when I was in about 2nd and 3rd grade reading everything I could about it and looking at all the photos of things found.
Funny thing is Ballards real mission was to find the submarine’s scorpion and threasher
Eva Hart (7 years old and a survivor) saw the Californian ship from her lifeboat. It was close enough for her to see it was a ship.
There's some controversy about that now. There's a good documentary here on RUclips looking at how refraction caused huge optical illusions that night. Refractions can carry things from over the horizon and make them appear much closer than they actually are. It's believed that's what happened with the Californian. It was actually much further away than it appeared.
She got a Weatherspoons named after her too, all for not drowning.
Think now is the time, to let her rest in peace... We know where she is, we've got great pictures of her resting at the bottom and we will never forget her story.... The time has come for us to leave her at peace with the Atlantic ocean.... 👍
Too bad people won’t do that with anything
Amen!
I agree
Right because there has been many other tragedies
they wont the ship is a treasure spot mad rich people died on that ship there's allot things they want to recover for money the titanic movie wasn't a far fetch they know there's priceless items and jewelry they want down there because rich are greedy
1985.... Back then the mainstream broadcast the news truthfully without any propaganda and lies...
This was a good report, but propaganda and lies have existed and been spread long before the 1980s. They're in no way novel.
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too funny that you think that..... hilarious
@@shellysmith1037yeah. Government/media has been using propaganda since they found it that it actually works
@@shellysmith1037 Funny that you dont realize that back then it was 90 percent truth 10 percent lies, and today its 90 percent lies, and 10 percent truth. lmao
I can't believe I was alive when this report came out, but I was just about 3 years old. It's amazing it was only re-discovered back in 1985. I didn't realize how extraordinary being able to find it back then was at the time of course. Now with the recent OceanGate submersible tragedy, it just makes everything all the more fascinating. I forgot we had underwater robots (ROV's) back in 1985, that's also pretty amazing.
The Titanic is a real-life story of man's pride and over-confidence (arrogance from what I've heard). I really do think God said "oh ya you think you're so tough, watch this" -- or something like that. I can't be sure, but it sure seems like it. History and intrigue. Lessons to learn.
I was 10, so I remember 1985 clearly being an elementary school aged child. At the time, I myself was shocked that the Titanic hadn't been found earlier. I just assumed we had always known where it was, and probes had already visited it. But I remember the amazement the adults at the time had to finding a legendary shipwreck.
I was four
We had a painting of Titanic in our basement growing up, I was 7 in 1989 when I asked about the picture and learned it was painted for my great grandfather Albert Horswill, a Titanic crewman and survivor.
@@donnix1192 Amazing history. I'm glad he survived. I can't imagine being a Titanic survivor. The stories you would have to tell.
@@222ableVelo Yeah, he worked for White Star Line on the RMS Oceanic for 6 years before being transferred to RMS Titanic for its doomed maiden voyage. Officer Murdoch saved his life that night, allowing him and six other crewmen onto a lifeboat that had only 5 passengers aboard because the others didn’t believe the ship was in danger.
They know what they’re doing posting this today
i wish these types of reports are all uploaded
A lot of old news content is in internet archive
@@maryjanedodo not everything... this newsreel has never been uploaded before
I love how Titanic videos are recommended to me even if it’s not April, which usually my Titanic season.
I was 7 years old when the titanic was found and I actually remember seeing this on TV and how immediately people were suggesting to rig her to the surface and they actually had plans to do it but realized she was in too bad shape back then already.
Then the next year Challenger exploded....The 80s were pretty wild.
6:15 The roof “apparently imploded” when the Titanic hit bottom. Ah yes, a word we’d hear again in 38 years.
right because that word is super rare and never used. in fact I'd never even heard it spoken until this week, I had to look it up
@@soulbot119 I remember studying electronics as a youth and reading that TV picture tubes can implode if not handled carefully. That's the first I heard it.
Oof
With sinking of the ironically named Titan, we have yet another demonstration that we have, in fact, learned nothing about keeping our arrogance in check.
I never considered the name Titan . Not sure why that just connected . Wow 😔
Some of us have learned. Sometimes some of us have to learn these lessons twice. Don't make a different mistake in grouping all people together when a one bad apple messes up. You can learn that lesson from my comment. thank you.
God's in charge, always has been. Don't be fooled by fellow men who have money and fancy things of the world, we're all under God's will and strength. Only thing we can ask for is mercy.
@@sleazyfellow"Were all under gods will and strength"
God during the last 30+ successful visits to the titanic 🫥.
You love to bring your speculative nonsense about your religion. It's folklore.
Not "ours." Rush's.
I saw this when I was 12 and now I'm 50. Talk about history.
Leave Titanic to rest peacefully
Yes
If people wanna risk their lives then let them be they're only harming themselves lol
As much of it should be rescued as possible. It’s going to be just a stain on the ocean floor in 100 years.
The submarine incident was a message from the Titanic to leave it alone
@@rhyno514 but they're also damaging history instead of adding to it.
They said it 38 years ago. "Because men cannot work long at such depths, the subs must be unmanned."
Imagine sub tech 38 years from now 🤯
I mean, subs can be manned today if they're constructed properly, like the ones Cameron used to dive down to the wreck 33 times without issue.
@@TechnologicallyTechnical Yeah I wouldn't really trust a carbon fiber hull made by a bunch of college students that they refused to certify
Actually I found it interesting he said ‘men’ bearing in mind at this time there were female astronauts.
@@InAMinMaths I wish people would come off the whole "sexist" thing nowadays. What a waste. It was mostly men doing these things, so it really didn't matter. But added on to that layer is also the fact that when people said "men", they meant mankind. Women were assumed and included in "mankind". As women are part of mankind. It was just assumed. It's been made into a huge deal in the last 30 years for evil reasons. People need to reject that temptation.
I remember that day it was the last dive Ballard was taking and there it was. It still gives me chills after all this time. You only have to say Titanic and you look up to look at her again. I never get tired of seeing her. Forever to be left alone now after this last weeks debacle. Let her go and decay in her own time! 😢
Given that research says that as of 2019 the wreck will collapse in 30 years you are likely to get your wish.
No... Plenty can go look at it. Just not dipshit billionaires. Leave it to the professionals doing real work, not some rich pricks chasing clout.
Mount Everest is rough, but at least you don't have to go in a can.
I think it's the wrong reaction to ban deep ocean research as a result of the cavalier folly of one man. We humans are curious, restless explorers of the unknown. You cannot remove the risk from that, only mitigate it better than it was for Titan. And writing more laws is not necessarily the best way to do it.
The anchor Terry Drinkwater. What a name for this gig!
I really enjoy watching old footage like this. It was only 1985, I was 17, but it feels like it was long before I was around.
I love how they say “when the iceberg hit it” like it had a manned steering wheel or something.
I was just 11 years old going into 6th grade. Boy, what I wouldn’t give to go back to that time! Even news was so much better!😢
Drinkwater is a fitting name for a reporter on the subject of the Titanic. What an amazing story. Back when the news reported on real news.
I find it ironic how both wreckages ignored safety. The Titanic didn’t have enough lifeboats and the Titan sub had no safety whatsoever.
The Titanic had more lifeboats than was legally required at the time. The way the Titanic sank was not common, it took over two hours and the waters were incredibly calm. Usually ships capsize, too quickly to evacuate the passengers, and the ocean is so rocky that lifeboats just end up being smashed to pieces anyway. If a ship managed to stay afloat, the purpose of the lifeboats was to ferry passengers to a rescue ship, each boat doing several short trips. Before Titanic, no one foresaw the circumstances in which having enough lifeboat seats for everyone would have been useful.
Why would they?
@@funkyfranx No one foresaw? lol The whole thing was planned.
This news coverage was amazing
Someone has surely commented on this somewhere: none of the Titanic's stacks are said to be extant on the ship itself. Presumably Argo bounced off something else and it was assumed to be a funnel for the same reason the ship is presented as slightly more intact in the graphic: she'd only just been discovered and many many questions remained.
I was scrolling through looking for the same thing. No way one of them was still standing upright.
What could they possibly have bumped into and mistake for a smoke stack? Weird.
was thinking exactly the same thing. fascinating to see the early ideas of what was left - even the presentation illustrations showing funnels still possibly attached.
I noticed this too, as well as the comment about boilers bursting out through a hole in the bow, laying right next to it. In reality none of them are anywhere near the bow. I wonder what that turned out to actually be.
Their lighting was so limited that they could not see what they thought was a smokestack.
My grandfather knew that Titanic will sinks. He shout it to people, but nobody wanted to hear him. Until the security guard brought out him from the cinema..
"Who are we going to assign to this story about the ocean swallowing a ship?"
"Drinkwater."
"Nailed it."
So they were complaining that another ship didn't come to help those drowning but like.. there were icebergs. Visibility was low. I guess they don't realize 1 wreck is better than 2
Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
Would love to have the Cameron ROV's in 1985 to compare what the interiors looked like 20 years earlier. So many rooms intact in the 80's and maybe we could have seen the gym and the lounge before all the ceilings collapsed in the 2000's
Camerons ROV footage of the Turkish Baths will remain one of the most extraordinary pieces of film we as a species have ever produced.
It's crazy that the Titanic sank closer to the filming of this video than WWII was to today (2023)
3:48 "In a way, it was a premonition of the First World War. It was a sign that an era was coming to an end. And it made people aware of the consequences of excessive confidence."
- Nicholas Wade (Survivor's Grandson)
We didn't learned anything did we? Both the Titanic and OceanGate submersible sunk because the captain and CEO didn't heed the warnings.
Trust me WWIII is on the way as well
So true. We didn't learned anything.
We didn't learn. History will always repeat itself.
Its incredible how quickly the titanic has rotted away since its been found. The pictures of it are so detailed still and you can see the ship so cleary then we can now today. Crazy what water will do
I vividly remember the fascination back then in 1985. I held my first presentation at school about the Titanic and the newly rediscovered wreck.
I was 19 days from being born when this aired......
I was almost a decade later.
I was in the hospital with my second baby he would be born 15 days later. I learned about the Titanic by reading it in a newspaper at my granny home for the summer in the 70s. I remember asking her if she remember it. She just turned 12 years old when this happen. She remember people coming to America for a better life.
im 26 =)
I was about 3 years old when this came out. 😄
Imagine telling them we now have a full 3D scan of the ship.
I was in elementary school when this happened and the news took over the school. I remember it well.
3:58 the irony is unfathomable
I have always felt a connection to the Titanic
I was born on the 1st September 1985 - in Belfast
Wow, that's interesting. Maybe you were reincarnated and had been on the Titanic.
September 1st** NOT 1st September...
@@allentoyokawa9068they may be from Europe, where we say the day first and not the month.
@@allentoyokawa9068I'm sure you are old enough to understand that different parts of the world does not write it that way :)
@@allentoyokawa9068 settle down yank, you fools try and to do everything different from conventional English, remember why you speak it in the first place.
Geez, i can’t believe how young Bob Ballard is here!
I remember when Dr. Ballard discovered her. I also recall the discussion about what to do with her. I wondered why they had to do anything with her! Just leave her exactly where she is!
The French Co-leader of the 1985 expedition with Ballard, Jean-Louis Michel talked about raising it or having a proper tunnel system down to it for tourists, I think.
Titanic was discovered by accident, his mission was to actually find two submarines that sank around the area, but ended up finding titanic
Not exactly by accident, more accurately would be to say-it was a cover. The two submarines in question were USS Thresher and USS Scorpion, lost in the 1960s, and the NAVY wanted to know what happened to them, also to fiind out if there was any contamination from their nuclear reactors. It was also secret operation, since it was conducted during Cold War, so they needed good cover story and what better story than finding the most luxurious liner, the Titanic? Bob Ballard explained that this was perfect opportunity to test his theory about how to find both the ship and the submarines: not by looking for the ships themselves, but by looking for their debris trail, which is in any case larger target for the equipment used. The Titanic left this trail if she broke in half at (or very near) the surface, and the submarines left this trail because they imploded at certain depth. The fact that the Titanic did, indeed, break in half during sinking was still unproven at the time of her discovery, many historians believed she had sunk in one piece, despite numerous testimonies given by survivors. Finally, let's not forget one more thing-this was not solely American expedition, but actually French-American, where roughly 80% of the search area was covered by the IFREMER (during that time Bob Ballard searched for the submarines) and the rest was covered by American team, when they actually found the Titanic, on September 1, 1985, when they discovered that huge debris trail, culminating in finding one of the massive boilers.
Amazing to think that they found the Titanic on a mission to map a couple lost nuclear submarines. Most people assume Titanic was the mission, but it was a cover and not the Navy's focus. I think they had 12 days to find it after mapping the 2nd sub before they had to be back.
Ballard and the "Titanic seekers" needed help from the Navy to find Titanic. They got the help, in exchange for helping with Thresher and Scorpion. So there was kind of two groups with different goals joining forces for mutual benefit.
Don't forget, during this time some people believed the ship did not break apart which was always a debate until the discovery.
There’s an interview with a survivor who said that they witnessed it break apart into two sections when sinking. Unfortunately, she wasn’t believed until the initial discovery.
@@Amanda-ri9wc Exactly, One of the reasons that happened is because a few other survivors claim the ship went down completely intact. It hurts hearing the truth so I guess people naturally wanted to take their side believing she didn't break.
@@shawnwhite3662 I've heard sexism was a big part of it, because most survivors were women they were deemed to be hysterical and their testimony couldn't be trusted, they believed a male survivor who didn't even actually witness the sinking over all the women who said they saw the ship break. Many survivors were actually convinced that what they had seen was false. Finding the wreck was extremely vindicating for many of the survivors and their families.
@@thamertanner5448People like you manage to turn a tragedy, where most of the victims were men who sacrificed themselves to save women, into something against men. Feminism in 2023 is pure narcissism.
The guy's name is Drinkwater and he's reporting on the sunken Titanic. Even better, he should have been a swimmer or a marine biologist with that name!
Kind of neat to see a spike in public interest. I was born in 1985 so I can’t say I recall this - but I can’t even imagine the excitement!
well.. there is a.. reason.. it has a spike
In my opinion, there is absolutely no reason to send manned submarines to such depths when you can safely do it with remote-controlled ones. In the end, it should be about having good pictures that can be viewed safely by anyone interested. Rest in peace to all who ever lost their lives in this historic place.
Normal submersibles have an impeccable safety record. Experimental tourism ones- not so much we've learned.
In a poetically tragic sense, the fact the story of the Titanic remains eternally buoyant in the public’s perception, means, in some respect, it really was unsinkable. RIP.
Can't believe I remember this in the newspapers at the age of 4.