Question. About telegrams? telegraphs?... Were they like in the movie? or did 1 telegram had port and starboard commands? (so you didn't have to run to the other side,..like in the movies) Why did they turn them to stop and full astern in the movie?
Hey Matt, I have a question in regards of the correct orders Murdoch's made. I do believe he ordered stop, but I found out that Boxhall wasn't the only person to have claimed the engines were in reverse. In a 1957 interview, Quartermaster George Rowe, who was standing on the poop deck at the time of the collision, said "The engines were going Full Speed Astern, and so I put the log in." I suppose he allegedly saw this on one of the telegraphs on the docking bridge. Here's the interview: ruclips.net/video/FVLiZo6Pkak/видео.html. I'm just curious about this and would like to hear your take on it.
Incorrect, the Titanic was actually switched with... The Titanic. There’s no time to explain here, but a voyage across multiple dimensions was involved
I don’t know about you, but something about these 3 ships just speaks to me. The design of the ships are just so iconic and they look so pretty too. There is nothing anyone could do to make me dislike the ships.
10:55 the Morse code on the screen says “If you can read this comment below STOP” My grandfather was in the Air Force during the Korean War and he had to learn Morse code because he was in the communication system. He still remembers it and so he taught it to me a few years ago so we could have conversations in it.
I wonder if Olaf (the fourth guy in that game) apologized to Sven for punching him out after it became apparant that him betting their tickets probably saved their life.
"Feel free to leave a comment, and I'll ignore it." Bwahaha! Though thank you! It is such a breath of fresh air to hear someone defend Ismay. I always felt like he was treated far too harshly. I never knew about the enemy he made in the press, that was good information I hadn't heard. I mean if a ship was sinking and there was room, why not get in the boat? It isn't like he kept anyone else from getting in. I like to think one of the officers told him to get in. That poor man, going down in history as a cruel coward just for not dying.
That reminds me of how on another channel one guy was seriously suggesting they should have lit a bonfire onboard Titanic to alert nearby ships, and people agreed to this.
@@mick1545 In hindsight that would not have worked...unless they lit it before they even sent out the first distress signal. A modern day analysis shows that no ship would've been close enough to respond.
dont do it. i left a comment saying that the titanic was switched with a ww1 battle cruiser and that passengers were reported to be sleeping in gun Turrents. People thought i was being serious. just dont do it. If you do you could very well be watching a documentary in the future of the Titanic/Hindenberg switch with attempted evdence of the similarities between them.
I practically jumped for joy when you pointed out recycled H&W interiors. Not only that, H&W recycled entire ship designs and sold them to others occasionally...
I was under the impression that prior to the Titanic, most people assumed that pretty much any modern vessel was "practically unsinkable". Captain Smith's famous comments about not being able to imagine a condition under which a modern ship would founder were regarding the Adriatic, when he took her over on her maiden voyage a few years prior to the Titanic.
That is correct. During Smith’s command of the _Adriatic,_ Dr. Williams, a friend of his, asked what would happen if _Adriatic_ struck a concealed ice reef and was damaged badly. Smith replied, “Some of us would go to the bottom with the ship,” hinting that he would go down with his command if confronted with disaster. Part of me wonders if Smith’s statement about modern shipbuilding was just something to increase the public’s trust in the White Star Line, and not a view he actually had.
For those who don’t know: In the film, _Raise the Titanic_ , there was supposedly a rare material stored in the cargo hold of Titanic called _byzanium_ . The U.S. navy wanted to recover the _byzanium_ as they think that it would help them compete with the Soviet Union, so they raised the Titanic.
@@joefera8947 Almost exactly the same for me--I read the novel around 1979, which is what got me into Titanic. I was 9 years old at the time. Loved Clive Cussler's books. RIP :-(
I feel the same for Stanley Lord of the Californian. He did his job by the book, and gets blamed for not coming to Titanic's rescue. We know now that there was cold water mirage which made Titanic look smaller to the crew of the Californian. The Californian wireless operator did warn Titanic's wireless operators about icebergs and was insulted. Since Californian's operator worked for Marconi and his shift was done, it was his right to go to sleep. They tried Morse Lamping and missed each other signals. History showed that Lord was right about Titanic's coordinates (17 miles apart), and even though the Californian was in the area, they were still too far in an environment filled with ice to come to Titanic's rescue. People like to say that Californian could have saved everyone on Titanic, but forget that Californian is a smaller and slower ship filled with cargo. Most nautical experts say had Californian attempted a rescue, they would have arrived the same time as Carpathia (even Carpathia had a hard time finding the survivors because they were given the wrong coordinates). Unfortunately Titanic just wasn't lucky that night.
Yeah I feel bad for looking at Ismay the way I have in the past. Part of me will never accept the fact that he left the titanic in a life boat, but he did try his best for survivors afterwards. It was said in the video people aren’t two dimensional, part of does not know what I would do in a similar situation. It’s hard to say with water coming up the deck what you would do.
Lol. Ismay may have helped passengers into lifeboats but it was HIS COMPANY that short changed the sea trials. It was HIS COMPANY that threw together a scratch crew that barely knew the ship. It was HIS COMPANY that skipped the second lifeboat drill. It was HIS COMPANY that drove the ship full speed into KNOWN ICE DANGER. And if you say “well every ship was doing that”, the Californian stopped for the night. Ismay didn’t ram the berg, but as the chairman of the line, he was on the hook for a whole hell of a lot of the circumstances that led to that event. Then he has the audacity to escape WHEN OTHER FIRST CLASS MEN WERE DENIED A PLACE (Astor).
Yes they were called unsinkable, but a lot of it wasn’t meant to be taken literally. Everyone knew that if you put a good enough hole in the thing it would sink. And the claim of “God himself cannot sink Titanic” is very questionable. People today think that the entire public of 1912 was fascinated by the unsinkability of Titanic and were defying God to sink her. That’s not true at all, and it’s a shame that so many today think that. Also, Lusitania and Mauretania were called unsinkable too, as well as many other (at the time) modern ocean liners.
15:05-15:25 finally a close up of the domes light. Before you guys, I didn’t know that there was a light up there, now I can see it was cut class not beaded either.
Thanks, Matthew. Here's another little fact that might be interesting: according to Milton Watson in his book “Flagships of the Line” (page 98), the term “practically unsinkable” was applied to the Augusta Victoria of 1889. HAPAG, the owner, printed this term (presumably in German) in a brochure where they stressed the safety features, such as the double bottom and the redundancy built into the engines, of this ship. The Augusta Victoria was the first of a new class of luxury express Atlantic liners, conceived by HAPAG director Albert Ballin. This very much suggests that the claim “practically unsinkable” might well have been a common advertising ploy intended to reassure prospective passengers already two decades before the Titanic, and that when “The Shipbuilder” later described the new Olympic class in the same terms, that journal was merely borrowing an old cliché. Incidentally, not only the Augusta Victoria but also her three sisters - Columbia, Normannia (later L’Aquitaine) and Fürst Bismarck - enjoyed successful fifteen-year careers on the North Atlantic, and ended their days peacefully at the scrapyard.
You mean the guy who looks blurry and translucent? That's not an attempted airbrushing-he was just moving during the exposure. Remember, that photo would have been on an emulsion plate, which required at least a few seconds to properly expose. Remember, this was before the age of rolling shutters and lossless digital image codecs.
Fantastic as always, you have great narration skills and a very pleasant voice with just the right amount of humor mixed into these topics, let alone you always make sure to get the facts right and point out if something just isn't 100% known. This is very responsible and respectful... and the opposite of what 99% of actual documentaries out there do. Spread the word people, share this channel. not even 9k subs is a travesty!
I think the reason so many people want to blame incompetence or greed as a defense mechanism. Because it's terrifying to think that something so horrible just randomly happened, no one specific was to blame, we didn't learn much from the incident, and there would be near identical results should it happen again.
@Railfan 765 how about the British Board of Trade? Is it not fair to say that their lack of appropriate regulations on radio operations and lifeboat apportionment doomed over a thousand innocent people out of complacency?
@@joefera8947 Not only that, but besides the natural decomposition from floating in the ocean for about a month, his body was in remarkably good condition. _If_ he was crushed, the crew of the _Mackay-Bennett_ would probably have been unable to recognize him. And, yes, he was identified by effects on him, but in this scenario, I’d imagine that they’d be in bad shape too. In fact, I’d say that if Astor was crushed, his body would have been buried at sea, much like the body of, for example, Chief Purser McElroy. Despite what the press may tell you that first-class were prioritized, the crew’s decisions on which bodies to bury at sea were based on their condition, not class. There were plenty of first and second-class bodies that they buried at sea, and many third-class bodies that were kept aboard and taken to Halifax.
Another myth is that titanic would still be around today and be one of the most famous ocean liners of all time if she never sunk. Uh-huh so famous her identical sister must be huge today. But whenever I mention the Olympic to anyone they tilt their heads in confusion "the what?". Also titanic would've been scrapped anyway.
(This is meant as a joke, btw). In a geriatric home in Louisiana in 2005, a patient in his 90’s suffering from Alzheimer’s says: “My name is Frank ‘Lucky’ Towers, and I survived the Titanic disaster, the Empress of Island sinking, the Lusitania torpedoing, the Hindenburg explosion, the Andrea Doria capsizing, 9/11, and served in both world wars. I might also have survived Noah’s Flood and the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, but I can’t remember.” Then Hurricane Katrina hits. “Oh, no, here we go again!”
I have a question. When Titanic was departing Queenstown, in the photograph there was a banner-looking thing on the open promenade. Do you know what that is?
Yes you can see it in Fr. Browne's last photograph of the ship - there appears to be something blocking the upper portion of the forward section of the A-deck open promenade - I seem to remember reading something about it a while ago but cannot seem to find anything about it now!
@@BNStudios1 It´s also visible in Ken Marshall´s painting of the same situation in Queenstown. I guess the painting was of course based on the photograph taken.
Another great video Matt. Sadly, most "Titanic Enthusiasts" are only interested in what they see in a movie rather than fact. Really enjoyed this video.
About 15 years ago, as a primaryschool child, I had a little obsession with Titanic and now in 2020 yt suggests me this channel and I found a PowerMetal concept-album about the Titanic. Maybe the internet wants to tell me something?? 😅
It's simple. Oswald sank the Titanic. He flew to earth from Nibiru in his flying saucer. He did a practice "fly-by" and zapped the Titanic with his laser cannon. Then he hung around the Bermuda triangle a few years til his saucer crashed in Roswell. He survived and later assassinated JFK. It's so obvious, ain't it?? 😂 👍 Thanks for a great video!
Wait, WHAT? You mean...oh hell, I have to show this to my wife...she accuses me of...oh...is she gonna get it, now I got PROOF! Thanks James, I've FINALLY been vindicated. SUSAN! SUSAN, WE GOTTA TALK...
I rarely post comments... but you do such an outstanding job on these! Your voice is great, the humor is great ("post and I will ignore it". Lol!) the music is perfect and... You actually have real facts. Not "alternative facts" either! Bravo! RUclips is mostly a wasteland bereft of knowledge. But.... You are working on it! :-)
I asked Don Lynch that question about Captain Smith being proactive yesterday and he seems to think that Captain Smith wasn't as proactive as he could have been. Of course he also said he had lots of arguments with people about it over the years.
@@TitanicUniversity Well, it may be hindsight, but Don Lynch to me is like the godfather of Titanic historians with over 40 years of studying Titanic history, so I think I am going to side with him on this one sorry.
I believe it's because they are in theory moveable/portable, and constitute a different lettering - so that A/B/C/D can be across the ship, without 17/18/19/20 implying they're located in any sort of order. I could be wrong about this though.
Yeah, it would suck if someone gets told to go to "Boat 17", and they look for it in vain aft of 13 and 15, not realizing they should have gone forwards by Boats 1 and 3. In an emergency situation, you've got to keep things as un-confusing as possible.
Matt I enjoy these TU videos so much I literally look forward to the notification of when it is posted. Great idea starting TU. The narration is fantastic, engaging and has a cool touch of humor. Keep up the great work
Generally speaking, I imagine every ship ever constructed from the beginning of shipbuilding was designed to be unsinkable. Excepting perhaps submarines…and the rowboat with the Flex Seal screen door for a bottom.
No idea if this can be confirmed or not, but was Captain Smith going to retire after Titanic's return maiden voyage, or would he have remained in command until Britannic was ready, then taken her on her maiden voyage as well? I once heard that Smith would've remained in command of Titanic "until a larger, grander ship was ready". Is there any way to know if there's any truth to that?
Actually, Titanic was rammed by a special U boat made entirely out of ice as a clever disguise. It was also 100 percent unmanned thanks to the new innovations in ice technology at the time.
Yes. It should also be noted that his resignation from White Star had nothing to do with the Titanic disaster. In fact Ismay's departure from the company was put in place, two months prior.
The Astor one surprises me! I’d always thought he was crushed by the fall of the first funnel, but I only know that story through Titanic: Triumph and Tragedy. Enlighten, please!
14:18, the Titanic could not have broken in two like that, here is why: If the ship had broken from the top-down, the bow section wouldn't have hung off the stern section by the keel because it wasn't that strong. If that had happened, the keel would have snapped almost instantly but the bow section would still start swinging downwards and dislodging the boilers, but ALL of the bow section's boilers are still on their beds. If the ship had broken from the top-down, the stern section would've caused a huge splash, but a few survivor accounts comment on the fact that there wasn't one. Most people don't take the Titanic's expansion joints into account, they were made to allow the ship to bend. Here are some other interesting things about the breakup: ruclips.net/video/ggu5Moi2GEM/видео.html
When the Titanic sank you didn't know that the stunts the Titanic split in two of the inspection joint plus the water the watertight doors and the Buckhead if they had water pumps with pump out the water out not the newest ships have
That´s what they say nowadays apparently. However until quite recently it was accepted commonplace that the engines DID reverse, not sure if it was only Officer Boxhall´s statement that this assumption was based on. Is Fireman Barrett the only source stating the opposite to qualify the new assumption, or is there perhaps more evidence (witnesses)for this? I mean apart from the reasoning, that reversing would have not made any sense and that Officer Murdoch would have known this, and acted accordingly.
Reversing the engines is the last thing you would want to do because you would be drawing water to the rudder and when that water becomes stationary around the rudder and then you dont have any control with th steerage and the ships going to go in the direction it pleases.
I have a question for @Titanic University. So we see many photos of titanic stern bridge what would of operations been like using the bridge. So I know it would of been used for docking and such. What would those operation be like on titanic how many officers would have been their and just other types of things that would of gone on while it was in use
I have a question about NMGTT song . Was Wallace Hartley the only one playing the song or was the rest of the band playing and if the band was playing would they have to play the version of NMGTT they all knew?
I'm curious as to where the nursery was aboard Titanic or if it even existed. I can't find any references other than passengers stating it existed, and a single reference from one of my books saying it replaced the starboard side verandah and palm court. However, I believe there was a photo that father Brown took showing the starboard vpc and it was a distant shot that still showed dining tables. Does anybody have a source? Thanks!!!
I have long been thinking if the titanic hit the iceburg head on would that have helped the ship with either not sinking or have had lasted longer afloat to have saved all the passengers and crew
if Titanic hit the berg head-on, the bow would’ve crumpled like an accordion, crushing and killing anyone inside, and (possibly) would’ve sunk even faster.
What I find quite interesting is that most of these facts were portrayed with quite a degree of accuracy in A Night To Remember, discounting the break and Andrew's last moments, I find that film remarkable in how even handed it portrays everyone from Captain Smith to Bruce Ismay... with the possible exception that they overstated Lightollers importance. I do enjoy the fact that, in the scene where the last collapsible is being lowered off the officer's quarters, the actors playing Murdoch and Moody are actually there when the wave comes up. They were trying to follow where these men were reported as best they could... though why Wilde and Pitman are ignored I dont know. What a great film that is.
Hi Titanic University. Could you do a What If Britannic Never Sank? I would be interested to see how much time her private baths would by her until it's an unprofitable mess. Please consider it. Love your videos!
@@carlosiiideespana3712 I wonder how she would act beyond 1935 is what I'm really interested because of the baths you mentioned I wonder if it would be saved when the book A Night To Remember came out if scrapping was slow or delayed
My bad if hypotheticals are too much of a rabbit hole to dive into but what do folks have to say about the claim that the disaster could've been avoided hadbthe iceberg been spotted just 30 seconds earlier. Also apparently there's a claim she could've stayed afloat had the ship rammed the iceberg head on, but some iirc had argued "Who would want to go down in history as the person who rammed head first into an iceberg?"
That last one is true. Porting around an object to avoid collision was standard practice. Deviating from it would be quite disastrous for that person's career, even if it had saved the ship.
@@AdmiralBlackstar it wouldn't have saved the ship either. It would have warped her frame so badly the bulkhead doors may not have been able to close, not to mention knocking out all power completely. It would have been like the situation in _Futility_ if not worse. As for avoiding the collision by just another thirty seconds' warning? In all likelihood, yes, it would have worked. With how light the impact was, it's reasonable to say that the turn necessary to avoid the collision was almost complete. Another half minute would have been plenty of time to clear it. Just another tragic near-success that could have saved so many that night.
Will there be an Olympic and or Britannic themed Titanic University video? I'd love to learn more about Titanic's sisters, especially my favorite one Britannic!
No, No, No! Well at 1:19 min there is a BIG Mistake in the video! The telegraph system what the Leading Stoker, heard was NOT the engine telegraph! It was the stoking telegraph! These are two DIFFERENT Systems! And where not coupled to each other in any way! ENGINE TELEGRAPH: Here the commands from the bridge where direktly ordered, like STOP, FULL AHEAD etc. Some say the PORT engine was ordered STOP or FULL ASTERN, but nobody knows for sure, Murdoch or the engeneers died, when ship sank. "STOKING TELEGRAPH": This system was NOT coupled to the bridge in anyway, so no "Leading Stoker" could heard any direkt commands about engine manouvres! This system had NO directly connection to engine commands! This system, was a telegraph from engine rooms to boiler romms to order the right amount of steam at the right time. So stoking telegraph was set to "FULL" when most steam was set or "HALF" when less steam was used! Nothing to do with engines! What this "Leading Stoker" referred to was as follows: The "stoking telegraph" was set to "STOP" by the crew in the engine room, because Titanic was at full speed ahead and stop using steam at the engines. To prevent blowing the safety valvs oing up, because pressure went up, the stokers had to stop shoveling and "close the dampers"= Dampers are some kind of Throttle valves for the furnace, so they could "choke" the fires , many household furnaces got those dampers also for regulating combustions. The Olympic class, gut such an elaborate and sophisticated telegraph system, with the Kilroy-Telegraph, the Brown-Telegraph, the main bridge telegraphs, the docking (Aft bridge) telegraph and so on. Would make a good video. But Stoking and Engine and Bridge telegraphs where NOT connected, NO Officer Mordoch gave command to a stoker dirctly! Do not mix these up! Sad that "Titanic University" RUclips-channel do make the same mistake as others do and mix these systems into each other and in reality these where NOT engaged to each other and where different systems.
I'm sure they know about it since they have already done a video on the collision explaining what you wrote, i guess they skipped the explanation for the sake of time.
@@valeriocorsetti7278 When it is too complex to explain differnt telegraph systems in a youtube video because of time, then let it be as is and dont talk, before you tell rubbish!
I’d like to point out to everyone the reason why Titanic didn’t have enough lifeboats for her entire crew and passengers is that instead of being used as a stagnant boat they were supposed to be used as Ferries from the sinking ship to her rescuer(s) Titanic was just unlucky enough to be in the middle of nowhere
Hi. Can you do a video on the proposed 'Homeric' concept-- or, the fourth sistership or, alternately, the world's first 1,000 foot long ship in the planning stage just before and during WW I?
Question. When Titanic was sinking i have seen different depictions of her power outages, some showing the power fluctuating wildly and some depictions showing a more consistent flow of power ? - i don't know why this question was deleted so i'll write it again.
The power likely did fluctuate. There was a general trend of the lights dimming more and more as the power level dropped. Late in the sinking, there's testimony of the lights flickering, and earlier on people saw lights on under the water.
Yeah I've seen different fluctuations, some depictions show the occasional outage that lasts up to a minute or two with no power, while others show a less aggressive fluctuation. In Saving the Titanic docu drama theres no power for a good few minutes shown.
@@starwave8228 Saving the Titanic is a drama first and an accurate depiction second. It's very exciting, but it has a lot of inaccuracies. Any moment to moment fluctuation is really guesswork. We just don't know.
Yeah theres a bit where the Electricians have to divert power and the stokers are willing the Lamps to come back on after being off for a moment, its quite a tense scene. i enjoyed Saving the Titanic for its perspective of the crew below deck.
Sure. There was someone at the WTC on 9/11 that was old enough to be a survivor of something that happened almost 90 years earlier. There is also no record a passenger named Frank Tower on the Titanic, Empress of Ireland, and Lusitania, let alone someone that survived all three.
I've seen one hypothesis (besides that he was simply wrong, which is still probably the most likely) about why Boxhall reported engines Astern that's based on a variation of rudder cycling (a way of stopping the ship before _eventually_ putting it into reverse,) but with the current evidence we have, we probably can never confirm that's what happened, and it's safer to say it was just engines stopped.
I keep wondering where do you get those high resolution pictures of both Olympic and Titanic. I've been searching for some to print ant frame but they're quite expensive. Would gladly accept any indications where to find some.
The statement "titanic split under the water"is pretty vague. Did the place titanic split under the water while the ship was still partially above water or the ship as a whole?
Matt, you and the team have gone on QM2 before, right? I really want to do at least one crossing in the next few years, but I have such a hard time doing it because I'm pretty sure 90% of the passengers are above the age of 50 and I'm not sure what would keep me occupied beyond trying to tour the ship and see the cool areas like the bridge and stuff if they'd let me.
“In the modern sense, an unsinkable ship is one in which cannot be sunk by any of the ordinary accidents of the open sea……” “…the bulkhead subdivision………its object is to restrict the water to such compartments (through collision or grounding) that may have been opened to the sea. As the water enters the ship, because of the loss of buoyancy, it will sink until the buoyancy of the undamaged compartments restores equilibrium and the ship assumes a new position, with the water in the damaged compartments at the same level as the sea outside.” An Unsinkable Titanic: Every Ship Its Own Lifeboat. By John Bernard Walker. (1912)
I think Billy Zane's performance on titanic is grossly underrated. He totally nailed his part. But throw Dicaprio into the mix and all common sense goes out the window.
He did do a good job. I wonder what he thinks when people ask him about Cal. I know he scenes where he had to he abusive to rose I bet he was scared that he might accidently hit or hurt her due to the scene.
I was watching a documentary on a DVD of A Night to Remember that I have where one of the people being interviewed said that Eva Hart “swore” that it was 1958 film’s version when it came to being asked about the version. That’s the only source I have though. It came on a DVD of A Night to Remember that I bought back in 2006. I’m going along with what Titanic Honor and Glory’s team says, because I do believe them to be the most accurate, but I am curious, did Eva Hart actually say anything about the version of the hymn?
Question: when i search up "The iceberg that sank titanic" i see tons of pictures of pointy shaped bergs, and then i see another article, claiming that a man saw an iceberg a few miles away from the site where titanic sank, but he didnt know at the time that titanic had sunk, and he allegedly saw red paint on the iceberg, indicating that a ship collided with it. So, Red paint, ship collision, few miles from Titanic sinking area... Seems legit right? what do you think? What baffles me is the fact that this was apparently 6 hours after titanic sank and this man didnt see any bodies laying around in the water.
All things that happen on a ship are the sole responsibility of the captain. Where or not you think it is fair or right or even agree with this, Captain Smith is responsible for the Titanic disaster.
I think if he had lived his career would have definitely been over there's just no way he would have been able to continue with the White Star line given the amount of deaths The public's perception of a disaster and the newspapers relentless coverage. He would have definitely lost his master license if he had lived.
After Titanic sank several ships loaded with ice and coffins went out to recover bodies. Some bodies were taken back to Halifax and buried, but some other bodies were buried at sea. What was the differance, was it a class thing?
Probably more to do with the amount of decomposition or damage to the corpse in most cases. I do know that a considerable reward ($10,000) was offered for recovery of Astor's body by his family. Maybe a few other wealthy people offed the same for their missing, although I've never heard of any other families that did.
Mainly, yes. That's why Sydney Goodwin took over a century to be identified-the rest of the family had their vests removed and were weighted down to be dropped back to the depths because they didn't look important enough to take back for identification and burial. As for decomposition, there was basically none-remember, the water was below freezing, and saturated with salt. The bigger logistical problem was _preventing_ decomposition _during_ the trip back to NS. You can only carry so much formaldehyde on a little cable ship like _Mackay Bennett._
A question I've had since I saw the James Cameron movie as a kid... Did any first-class passengers try to bribe their way onto a lifeboat like Cal did in the film?
Downunda Thunda the movie didn’t portray that quite accurately. Captain Smith said “women and children first”. Lightoller, who was in charge of the lifeboats on the port side of the ship interpreted “women and children first” as women and children *only* Meanwhile Officer Murdoch who was in charge of the lifeboats on the starboard side of the ship interpreted it as women and children *first* but if there were no women and children in the immediate vicinity of a lifeboat and there were free seats on the boat he’d give those seats to men.
@Annabelle Whyte 8 I believe these were Edward Ryan, later caught in lifeboat 14 by Officer Lowe and Daniel Buckley, who hid in the lifeboat and was covered up by a women next to him who felt bad for him.
It was rumored that the Duff-Gordon’s did but I believe that was proven to be false. The James Cameron movie was completely and utterly inaccurate with that part and the suicide scene with Murdoch. Well at least I see it as inaccurate, honestly and sadly enough Murdoch’s fate often comes down to belief and my belief is that he didn’t do it.
Correction: Bruce Ismay died 17 October 1937
To hear Arthur Sullivan's Propior Deo version of NMGTT: ruclips.net/video/TrWpxxklAJM/видео.html
Titanic University why do you ignore your student’s doubts?
Question. About telegrams? telegraphs?...
Were they like in the movie? or did 1 telegram had port and starboard commands? (so you didn't have to run to the other side,..like in the movies)
Why did they turn them to stop and full astern in the movie?
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Hey Matt, I have a question in regards of the correct orders Murdoch's made. I do believe he ordered stop, but I found out that Boxhall wasn't the only person to have claimed the engines were in reverse. In a 1957 interview, Quartermaster George Rowe, who was standing on the poop deck at the time of the collision, said "The engines were going Full Speed Astern, and so I put the log in." I suppose he allegedly saw this on one of the telegraphs on the docking bridge. Here's the interview: ruclips.net/video/FVLiZo6Pkak/видео.html. I'm just curious about this and would like to hear your take on it.
"if you don't agree with any of these, leave a comment and I'll ignore it"
caught me way the heck off guard, lol
David Buck I laughed so much!
David. Buck. I. Think. I’. Agree
The movie " Titanic " 1997, makes it look like Captain Smith just gave up , and went down with the ship.
Tell me more about the Toyota Corolla/Titanic switch theory, please
I'm interested.
You fools. The Titanic was switched with the canoe in my backyard.
Its was the Corolla, it was a Sequoia.
There may be one in ruclips.net/video/lJCTasxO9Bk/видео.html
Incorrect, the Titanic was actually switched with... The Titanic. There’s no time to explain here, but a voyage across multiple dimensions was involved
I don’t know about you, but something about these 3 ships just speaks to me. The design of the ships are just so iconic and they look so pretty too. There is nothing anyone could do to make me dislike the ships.
So, Bruce never just jump into a life boat and sneer huh?.
@no no no Must politics be dragged even into this?
I know how you feel. They really were beautiful with clean, classic line.
10:55 the Morse code on the screen says “If you can read this comment below STOP”
My grandfather was in the Air Force during the Korean War and he had to learn Morse code because he was in the communication system. He still remembers it and so he taught it to me a few years ago so we could have conversations in it.
thats cool
My only critique is that this video never revealed why Sven gambled his tickets. XD
And also he said J Bruce Ismay died in 1938 instead of 1937.
@@mikemancini313 Octer 17th, 1937. Maybe Matt figured it was near enough to 1938. Lol
@@mikemancini313 I think Matt should have done his homework.
I wonder if Olaf (the fourth guy in that game) apologized to Sven for punching him out after it became apparant that him betting their tickets probably saved their life.
@@TitanicUniversity *Sleeping Sun intensifies*
"Feel free to leave a comment, and I'll ignore it." Bwahaha!
Though thank you! It is such a breath of fresh air to hear someone defend Ismay. I always felt like he was treated far too harshly. I never knew about the enemy he made in the press, that was good information I hadn't heard. I mean if a ship was sinking and there was room, why not get in the boat? It isn't like he kept anyone else from getting in. I like to think one of the officers told him to get in. That poor man, going down in history as a cruel coward just for not dying.
The fun portion of me wants to insert a Titanic/Hindenberg switch joke. Very well done.
That reminds me of how on another channel one guy was seriously suggesting they should have lit a bonfire onboard Titanic to alert nearby ships, and people agreed to this.
@@mick1545 In hindsight that would not have worked...unless they lit it before they even sent out the first distress signal. A modern day analysis shows that no ship would've been close enough to respond.
dont do it. i left a comment saying that the titanic was switched with a ww1 battle cruiser and that passengers were reported to be sleeping in gun Turrents. People thought i was being serious. just dont do it. If you do you could very well be watching a documentary in the future of the Titanic/Hindenberg switch with attempted evdence of the similarities between them.
Jade Thornton whoosh em, all of em.
@@AndyHappyGuy lol i dare ya
I practically jumped for joy when you pointed out recycled H&W interiors. Not only that, H&W recycled entire ship designs and sold them to others occasionally...
Hey, stay with what works
13:55 Thomas Andrews was last seen with Captain Smith on the bridge. That's something we didn't know.
I was under the impression that prior to the Titanic, most people assumed that pretty much any modern vessel was "practically unsinkable". Captain Smith's famous comments about not being able to imagine a condition under which a modern ship would founder were regarding the Adriatic, when he took her over on her maiden voyage a few years prior to the Titanic.
That is correct. During Smith’s command of the _Adriatic,_ Dr. Williams, a friend of his, asked what would happen if _Adriatic_ struck a concealed ice reef and was damaged badly. Smith replied, “Some of us would go to the bottom with the ship,” hinting that he would go down with his command if confronted with disaster. Part of me wonders if Smith’s statement about modern shipbuilding was just something to increase the public’s trust in the White Star Line, and not a view he actually had.
don’t forget about the byzanium in the cargo hold! 😆
Thank God for Southby!
I wonder how many people get that reference without googling it. Or read the actual book.
That movie is what got my into Titanic. RIP Cussler.
For those who don’t know: In the film, _Raise the Titanic_ , there was supposedly a rare material stored in the cargo hold of Titanic called _byzanium_ . The U.S. navy wanted to recover the _byzanium_ as they think that it would help them compete with the Soviet Union, so they raised the Titanic.
@@joefera8947 Almost exactly the same for me--I read the novel around 1979, which is what got me into Titanic. I was 9 years old at the time. Loved Clive Cussler's books. RIP :-(
I feel so bad for Ismay. The guy literally did nothing wrong and saved a ton of lives that night but we still think he’s a scumbag
I feel the same for Stanley Lord of the Californian. He did his job by the book, and gets blamed for not coming to Titanic's rescue. We know now that there was cold water mirage which made Titanic look smaller to the crew of the Californian. The Californian wireless operator did warn Titanic's wireless operators about icebergs and was insulted. Since Californian's operator worked for Marconi and his shift was done, it was his right to go to sleep. They tried Morse Lamping and missed each other signals. History showed that Lord was right about Titanic's coordinates (17 miles apart), and even though the Californian was in the area, they were still too far in an environment filled with ice to come to Titanic's rescue. People like to say that Californian could have saved everyone on Titanic, but forget that Californian is a smaller and slower ship filled with cargo. Most nautical experts say had Californian attempted a rescue, they would have arrived the same time as Carpathia (even Carpathia had a hard time finding the survivors because they were given the wrong coordinates). Unfortunately Titanic just wasn't lucky that night.
@@HappyRoach1 Ignoring the rockets and not turning on your wireless is unforgivable.
He probably should have told Smith he didn't need that wireless message or return it to the bridge himself.
Yeah I feel bad for looking at Ismay the way I have in the past. Part of me will never accept the fact that he left the titanic in a life boat, but he did try his best for survivors afterwards. It was said in the video people aren’t two dimensional, part of does not know what I would do in a similar situation. It’s hard to say with water coming up the deck what you would do.
Lol. Ismay may have helped passengers into lifeboats but it was HIS COMPANY that short changed the sea trials. It was HIS COMPANY that threw together a scratch crew that barely knew the ship. It was HIS COMPANY that skipped the second lifeboat drill. It was HIS COMPANY that drove the ship full speed into KNOWN ICE DANGER. And if you say “well every ship was doing that”, the Californian stopped for the night. Ismay didn’t ram the berg, but as the chairman of the line, he was on the hook for a whole hell of a lot of the circumstances that led to that event. Then he has the audacity to escape WHEN OTHER FIRST CLASS MEN WERE DENIED A PLACE (Astor).
I've read both the US and British enquiry transcripts. Took ages but it was so interesting.
i’m kinda jealous
Yes they were called unsinkable, but a lot of it wasn’t meant to be taken literally. Everyone knew that if you put a good enough hole in the thing it would sink. And the claim of “God himself cannot sink Titanic” is very questionable. People today think that the entire public of 1912 was fascinated by the unsinkability of Titanic and were defying God to sink her. That’s not true at all, and it’s a shame that so many today think that.
Also, Lusitania and Mauretania were called unsinkable too, as well as many other (at the time) modern ocean liners.
@ 10:48 if the actor looks familiar he is. For fans of NCIS it is David McCallum or Dr. Donald “Ducky” Mallard.
14:03 the story of Violet Jessop IS an odd one, given that she survived accidents/incidents on all three of the Olympic class.
I would say she was the curse of the white star line
@@Truecrimeresearcher224 was her grandfather on SS _Atlantic?_
You forgot to diss the V-Break theory.
The manner in which the ship broke apart is such a big topic he'll probably do an entire video on it sooner or later.
People often forget that the WSL was a huge fleet at the time. It took WW I, age and the Great Depression between them to slowly finish it off.
No no i disagree , the last song the band played was Highway to the Dangerzone by Kenny Loggins :P
"They learned it. What a bunch of pros!"
-- Stewie Griffin
Archer approves of this version of history.
You meant to say Highway to Hell :P
Near Ed my God t thee
I'll have you all know that the band's last song was actually I Will Survive. I heard that from my great-grandfather who died in the sinking
“Iceberg graze by”
‘About to comment’
(Little angel on my shoulder)
“No no, he’s got a point”
15:05-15:25 finally a close up of the domes light. Before you guys, I didn’t know that there was a light up there, now I can see it was cut class not beaded either.
And the dome (like the stained glass windows in the dining room) was back lit with a circle of light bulbs above it.
Thanks, Matthew. Here's another little fact that might be interesting: according to Milton Watson in his book “Flagships of the Line” (page 98), the term “practically unsinkable” was applied to the Augusta Victoria of 1889. HAPAG, the owner, printed this term (presumably in German) in a brochure where they stressed the safety features, such as the double bottom and the redundancy built into the engines, of this ship. The Augusta Victoria was the first of a new class of luxury express Atlantic liners, conceived by HAPAG director Albert Ballin. This very much suggests that the claim “practically unsinkable” might well have been a common advertising ploy intended to reassure prospective passengers already two decades before the Titanic, and that when “The Shipbuilder” later described the new Olympic class in the same terms, that journal was merely borrowing an old cliché.
Incidentally, not only the Augusta Victoria but also her three sisters - Columbia, Normannia (later L’Aquitaine) and Fürst Bismarck - enjoyed successful fifteen-year careers on the North Atlantic, and ended their days peacefully at the scrapyard.
do you know who is the removed guy at 14:50 ? what reason would motivate them to erase the presence of a worker on a simple picture ?
He was probably doing something considered unsightly. Like picking his nose, or wiping his hands on his clothes.
You mean the guy who looks blurry and translucent? That's not an attempted airbrushing-he was just moving during the exposure. Remember, that photo would have been on an emulsion plate, which required at least a few seconds to properly expose. Remember, this was before the age of rolling shutters and lossless digital image codecs.
3:14 I'd love to see more pics of these earlier versions of the Grand Staircase on older ships.
The SS Paris had one, but she was laid down the year after Titanic. Hers was Art Nouveau and absolutely gorgeous, but was destroyed in a fire.
Fantastic as always, you have great narration skills and a very pleasant voice with just the right amount of humor mixed into these topics, let alone you always make sure to get the facts right and point out if something just isn't 100% known. This is very responsible and respectful... and the opposite of what 99% of actual documentaries out there do.
Spread the word people, share this channel. not even 9k subs is a travesty!
This is my type of school
I think the reason so many people want to blame incompetence or greed as a defense mechanism. Because it's terrifying to think that something so horrible just randomly happened, no one specific was to blame, we didn't learn much from the incident, and there would be near identical results should it happen again.
@Railfan 765 how about the British Board of Trade? Is it not fair to say that their lack of appropriate regulations on radio operations and lifeboat apportionment doomed over a thousand innocent people out of complacency?
14:31 According to Wyn Craig Wade’s book, Astor was crushed by the funnel. When was that disproven?
When his body was found, it had no evidence of being crushed.
@@joefera8947 Not only that, but besides the natural decomposition from floating in the ocean for about a month, his body was in remarkably good condition. _If_ he was crushed, the crew of the _Mackay-Bennett_ would probably have been unable to recognize him. And, yes, he was identified by effects on him, but in this scenario, I’d imagine that they’d be in bad shape too. In fact, I’d say that if Astor was crushed, his body would have been buried at sea, much like the body of, for example, Chief Purser McElroy.
Despite what the press may tell you that first-class were prioritized, the crew’s decisions on which bodies to bury at sea were based on their condition, not class. There were plenty of first and second-class bodies that they buried at sea, and many third-class bodies that were kept aboard and taken to Halifax.
Another myth is that titanic would still be around today and be one of the most famous ocean liners of all time if she never sunk. Uh-huh so famous her identical sister must be huge today. But whenever I mention the Olympic to anyone they tilt their heads in confusion "the what?". Also titanic would've been scrapped anyway.
"The truth is found when men are free to pursue it" - Matt DeWinkeleer
the truth is out there
10:41 a very young Agent Steel from Sapphire and Steel (Played by David McCallum).
4:36 "Propior Deo" does sound somewhat similar to "Bethany" though.
(This is meant as a joke, btw). In a geriatric home in Louisiana in 2005, a patient in his 90’s suffering from Alzheimer’s says: “My name is Frank ‘Lucky’ Towers, and I survived the Titanic disaster, the Empress of Island sinking, the Lusitania torpedoing, the Hindenburg explosion, the Andrea Doria capsizing, 9/11, and served in both world wars. I might also have survived Noah’s Flood and the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, but I can’t remember.” Then Hurricane Katrina hits. “Oh, no, here we go again!”
I have a question. When Titanic was departing Queenstown, in the photograph there was a banner-looking thing on the open promenade. Do you know what that is?
Yes you can see it in Fr. Browne's last photograph of the ship - there appears to be something blocking the upper portion of the forward section of the A-deck open promenade - I seem to remember reading something about it a while ago but cannot seem to find anything about it now!
I have been wondering the same! Thanks for bringing this up! Only a little detail, but made me curious.....what is this? ;)
@@BNStudios1 It´s also visible in Ken Marshall´s painting of the same situation in Queenstown. I guess the painting was of course based on the photograph taken.
It can be seen most clearly in this image
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@@BNStudios1 That was the picture/painting I was having in mind. It looks like some sort of windshield they could roll down, perhaps.
"Humans usually are not flat and one dimensional." *Shows footage of Cameron's Titanic*
This channel is absolutely amazing, keep up your fantastic work Matt!
Another great video Matt. Sadly, most "Titanic Enthusiasts" are only interested in what they see in a movie rather than fact. Really enjoyed this video.
About 15 years ago, as a primaryschool child, I had a little obsession with Titanic and now in 2020 yt suggests me this channel and I found a PowerMetal concept-album about the Titanic. Maybe the internet wants to tell me something?? 😅
" Not even God could sink The Titanic!!".
God : " Hold my Ale."
Oh the passive aggressive shade is on point lol. Keep these coming, Matthew, you’re a riot 😂
If there was ever a historical figure I HATED more than life itself. It's William Randolph Hurst.
It's simple. Oswald sank the Titanic. He flew to earth from Nibiru in his flying saucer. He did a practice "fly-by" and zapped the Titanic with his laser cannon. Then he hung around the Bermuda triangle a few years til his saucer crashed in Roswell. He survived and later assassinated JFK. It's so obvious, ain't it?? 😂
👍 Thanks for a great video!
Wait, WHAT? You mean...oh hell, I have to show this to my wife...she accuses me of...oh...is she gonna get it, now I got PROOF! Thanks James, I've FINALLY been vindicated. SUSAN! SUSAN, WE GOTTA TALK...
@@SkyKing58318
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I rarely post comments... but you do such an outstanding job on these! Your voice is great, the humor is great ("post and I will ignore it". Lol!) the music is perfect and... You actually have real facts. Not "alternative facts" either! Bravo!
RUclips is mostly a wasteland bereft of knowledge. But.... You are working on it! :-)
3:14 Is this the staircase on the Laurentic?
I asked Don Lynch that question about Captain Smith being proactive yesterday and he seems to think that Captain Smith wasn't as proactive as he could have been. Of course he also said he had lots of arguments with people about it over the years.
Could he have done more? Perhaps. I think that is subjective too. It's hindsight.
@@TitanicUniversity Well, it may be hindsight, but Don Lynch to me is like the godfather of Titanic historians with over 40 years of studying Titanic history, so I think I am going to side with him on this one sorry.
Oh the Captain Smith of Titanic historians!
The closest connection I have to the _Titanic_ is my address: 401.
Also, why were the collapsibles lettered A-D instead of being numbered 17-20?
My address also has those numbers but not in the same order. Hmmm, maybe they were ...
I believe it's because they are in theory moveable/portable, and constitute a different lettering - so that A/B/C/D can be across the ship, without 17/18/19/20 implying they're located in any sort of order. I could be wrong about this though.
Yeah, it would suck if someone gets told to go to "Boat 17", and they look for it in vain aft of 13 and 15, not realizing they should have gone forwards by Boats 1 and 3. In an emergency situation, you've got to keep things as un-confusing as possible.
Matt I enjoy these TU videos so much I literally look forward to the notification of when it is posted. Great idea starting TU. The narration is fantastic, engaging and has a cool touch of humor.
Keep up the great work
Great job Matt! Keep up the outstanding work!!!
“Time travelers” (shows Jack)
Film Theory: Its just a theory!
Generally speaking, I imagine every ship ever constructed from the beginning of shipbuilding was designed to be unsinkable. Excepting perhaps submarines…and the rowboat with the Flex Seal screen door for a bottom.
14:50 Here's the real conspiracy theory: why is this photo backwards, and why did the photographer erase a man from it?
No idea if this can be confirmed or not, but was Captain Smith going to retire after Titanic's return maiden voyage, or would he have remained in command until Britannic was ready, then taken her on her maiden voyage as well? I once heard that Smith would've remained in command of Titanic "until a larger, grander ship was ready". Is there any way to know if there's any truth to that?
Actually, Titanic was rammed by a special U boat made entirely out of ice as a clever disguise. It was also 100 percent unmanned thanks to the new innovations in ice technology at the time.
One correction, I believe Ismay retired to Galway, which isn't in England. :P
Yes. It should also be noted that his resignation from White Star had nothing to do with the Titanic disaster. In fact Ismay's departure from the company was put in place, two months prior.
Hearst was a menace. 🙄
There's a reason Orson Welles and Bruce Feirstein thought he would make a great film villain.
The Astor one surprises me! I’d always thought he was crushed by the fall of the first funnel, but I only know that story through Titanic: Triumph and Tragedy. Enlighten, please!
14:18, the Titanic could not have broken in two like that, here is why:
If the ship had broken from the top-down, the bow section wouldn't have hung off the stern section by the keel because it wasn't that strong.
If that had happened, the keel would have snapped almost instantly but the bow section would still start swinging downwards and dislodging the boilers, but ALL of the bow section's boilers are still on their beds.
If the ship had broken from the top-down, the stern section would've caused a huge splash, but a few survivor accounts comment on the fact that there wasn't one.
Most people don't take the Titanic's expansion joints into account, they were made to allow the ship to bend.
Here are some other interesting things about the breakup: ruclips.net/video/ggu5Moi2GEM/видео.html
Generally accepted fact about Titanic : it sank!
These make alot more sence then alot of the other titanic facts that I've read or seen videos on.
When the Titanic sank you didn't know that the stunts the Titanic split in two of the inspection joint plus the water the watertight doors and the Buckhead if they had water pumps with pump out the water out not the newest ships have
I love the format of this lesson. Could be the best one yet!
if i remmber correctly, the time to go full steam stern would have taken a WHILE to do. so the engines never actualyl revsered?
That´s what they say nowadays apparently. However until quite recently it was accepted commonplace that the engines DID reverse, not sure if it was only Officer Boxhall´s statement that this assumption was based on. Is Fireman Barrett the only source stating the opposite to qualify the new assumption, or is there perhaps more evidence (witnesses)for this? I mean apart from the reasoning, that reversing would have not made any sense and that Officer Murdoch would have known this, and acted accordingly.
Current forensics suggest the engines wouldn't have even completely stopped until about forty seconds _after_ the collision.
5:30 let me fix that Olympic of the white star line was the unsinkable ship
Reversing the engines is the last thing you would want to do because you would be drawing water to the rudder and when that water becomes stationary around the rudder and then you dont have any control with th steerage and the ships going to go in the direction it pleases.
I have a question for @Titanic University. So we see many photos of titanic stern bridge what would of operations been like using the bridge. So I know it would of been used for docking and such. What would those operation be like on titanic how many officers would have been their and just other types of things that would of gone on while it was in use
Thank You Matthew. Ive subscribed because of this video!
I have a question about NMGTT song . Was Wallace Hartley the only one playing the song or was the rest of the band playing and if the band was playing would they have to play the version of NMGTT they all knew?
Hey there, I was wondering what your opinion of the Titanic Museum in Pigeon Forge, TN is!
I'm curious as to where the nursery was aboard Titanic or if it even existed. I can't find any references other than passengers stating it existed, and a single reference from one of my books saying it replaced the starboard side verandah and palm court. However, I believe there was a photo that father Brown took showing the starboard vpc and it was a distant shot that still showed dining tables. Does anybody have a source? Thanks!!!
I have long been thinking if the titanic hit the iceburg head on would that have helped the ship with either not sinking or have had lasted longer afloat to have saved all the passengers and crew
if Titanic hit the berg head-on, the bow would’ve crumpled like an accordion, crushing and killing anyone inside, and (possibly) would’ve sunk even faster.
What I find quite interesting is that most of these facts were portrayed with quite a degree of accuracy in A Night To Remember, discounting the break and Andrew's last moments, I find that film remarkable in how even handed it portrays everyone from Captain Smith to Bruce Ismay... with the possible exception that they overstated Lightollers importance. I do enjoy the fact that, in the scene where the last collapsible is being lowered off the officer's quarters, the actors playing Murdoch and Moody are actually there when the wave comes up. They were trying to follow where these men were reported as best they could... though why Wilde and Pitman are ignored I dont know. What a great film that is.
Very nice work, Matthew!
Hi Titanic University. Could you do a What If Britannic Never Sank? I would be interested to see how much time her private baths would by her until it's an unprofitable mess. Please consider it. Love your videos!
a normal commentor if she never sank. She would be in passenger service
However she will still be scrapped in the same year as Olympic
Gamer101 Not necessarily, due to her abundance of private bathrooms she may have survived longer and would be scrapped in 1950 along with Aquitania.
@@carlosiiideespana3712 I wonder how she would act beyond 1935 is what I'm really interested because of the baths you mentioned I wonder if it would be saved when the book A Night To Remember came out if scrapping was slow or delayed
My bad if hypotheticals are too much of a rabbit hole to dive into but what do folks have to say about the claim that the disaster could've been avoided hadbthe iceberg been spotted just 30 seconds earlier.
Also apparently there's a claim she could've stayed afloat had the ship rammed the iceberg head on, but some iirc had argued "Who would want to go down in history as the person who rammed head first into an iceberg?"
That last one is true. Porting around an object to avoid collision was standard practice. Deviating from it would be quite disastrous for that person's career, even if it had saved the ship.
@@AdmiralBlackstar it wouldn't have saved the ship either. It would have warped her frame so badly the bulkhead doors may not have been able to close, not to mention knocking out all power completely. It would have been like the situation in _Futility_ if not worse.
As for avoiding the collision by just another thirty seconds' warning? In all likelihood, yes, it would have worked. With how light the impact was, it's reasonable to say that the turn necessary to avoid the collision was almost complete. Another half minute would have been plenty of time to clear it. Just another tragic near-success that could have saved so many that night.
Will there be an Olympic and or Britannic themed Titanic University video? I'd love to learn more about Titanic's sisters, especially my favorite one Britannic!
No, No, No!
Well at 1:19 min there is a BIG Mistake in the video!
The telegraph system what the Leading Stoker, heard was NOT the engine telegraph! It was the stoking telegraph!
These are two DIFFERENT Systems! And where not coupled to each other in any way!
ENGINE TELEGRAPH: Here the commands from the bridge where direktly ordered, like STOP, FULL AHEAD etc.
Some say the PORT engine was ordered STOP or FULL ASTERN, but nobody knows for sure, Murdoch or the engeneers died, when ship sank.
"STOKING TELEGRAPH": This system was NOT coupled to the bridge in anyway, so no "Leading Stoker" could heard any direkt commands about engine manouvres! This system had NO directly connection to engine commands! This system, was a telegraph from engine rooms to boiler romms to order the right amount of steam at the right time. So stoking telegraph was set to "FULL" when most steam was set or "HALF" when less steam was used! Nothing to do with engines!
What this "Leading Stoker" referred to was as follows: The "stoking telegraph" was set to "STOP" by the crew in the engine room, because Titanic was at full speed ahead and stop using steam at the engines. To prevent blowing the safety valvs oing up, because pressure went up, the stokers had to stop shoveling and "close the dampers"= Dampers are some kind of Throttle valves for the furnace, so they could "choke" the fires , many household furnaces got those dampers also for regulating combustions.
The Olympic class, gut such an elaborate and sophisticated telegraph system, with the Kilroy-Telegraph, the Brown-Telegraph, the main bridge telegraphs, the docking (Aft bridge) telegraph and so on. Would make a good video. But Stoking and Engine and Bridge telegraphs where NOT connected, NO Officer Mordoch gave command to a stoker dirctly! Do not mix these up!
Sad that "Titanic University" RUclips-channel do make the same mistake as others do and mix these systems into each other and in reality these where NOT engaged to each other and where different systems.
Let's see if your comment gains any traction.
I'm sure they know about it since they have already done a video on the collision explaining what you wrote, i guess they skipped the explanation for the sake of time.
@@valeriocorsetti7278 When it is too complex to explain differnt telegraph systems in a youtube video because of time, then let it be as is and dont talk, before you tell rubbish!
To Titanic university. If I were to except my fate and perish in the sinking I would just stand on the deck and watch the band play
I’d like to point out to everyone the reason why Titanic didn’t have enough lifeboats for her entire crew and passengers is that instead of being used as a stagnant boat they were supposed to be used as Ferries from the sinking ship to her rescuer(s) Titanic was just unlucky enough to be in the middle of nowhere
Hi. Can you do a video on the proposed 'Homeric' concept-- or, the fourth sistership or, alternately, the world's first 1,000 foot long ship in the planning stage just before and during WW I?
It was a luxurious ship for sure.
Question. When Titanic was sinking i have seen different depictions of her power outages, some showing the power fluctuating wildly and some depictions showing a more consistent flow of power ? - i don't know why this question was deleted so i'll write it again.
The power likely did fluctuate. There was a general trend of the lights dimming more and more as the power level dropped. Late in the sinking, there's testimony of the lights flickering, and earlier on people saw lights on under the water.
Yeah I've seen different fluctuations, some depictions show the occasional outage that lasts up to a minute or two with no power, while others show a less aggressive fluctuation.
In Saving the Titanic docu drama theres no power for a good few minutes shown.
@@starwave8228 Saving the Titanic is a drama first and an accurate depiction second. It's very exciting, but it has a lot of inaccuracies.
Any moment to moment fluctuation is really guesswork. We just don't know.
Yeah theres a bit where the Electricians have to divert power and the stokers are willing the Lamps to come back on after being off for a moment, its quite a tense scene. i enjoyed Saving the Titanic for its perspective of the crew below deck.
Sure. There was someone at the WTC on 9/11 that was old enough to be a survivor of something that happened almost 90 years earlier. There is also no record a passenger named Frank Tower on the Titanic, Empress of Ireland, and Lusitania, let alone someone that survived all three.
I've seen one hypothesis (besides that he was simply wrong, which is still probably the most likely) about why Boxhall reported engines Astern that's based on a variation of rudder cycling (a way of stopping the ship before _eventually_ putting it into reverse,) but with the current evidence we have, we probably can never confirm that's what happened, and it's safer to say it was just engines stopped.
12:00 you realize all of your film footage was of Calladan Hawkley, not Ismay, right?
he’s using footage of Cal to represent his point on hollywood villains.
I keep wondering where do you get those high resolution pictures of both Olympic and Titanic.
I've been searching for some to print ant frame but they're quite expensive.
Would gladly accept any indications where to find some.
How long would titanic's maiden journey from Southampton to New York have taken?
The statement "titanic split under the water"is pretty vague. Did the place titanic split under the water while the ship was still partially above water or the ship as a whole?
Matt, you and the team have gone on QM2 before, right? I really want to do at least one crossing in the next few years, but I have such a hard time doing it because I'm pretty sure 90% of the passengers are above the age of 50 and I'm not sure what would keep me occupied beyond trying to tour the ship and see the cool areas like the bridge and stuff if they'd let me.
“In the modern sense, an unsinkable ship is one in which cannot be sunk by any of the ordinary accidents of the open sea……”
“…the bulkhead subdivision………its object is to restrict the water to such compartments (through collision or grounding) that may have been opened to the sea. As the water enters the ship, because of the loss of buoyancy, it will sink until the buoyancy of the undamaged compartments restores equilibrium and the ship assumes a new position, with the water in the damaged compartments at the same level as the sea outside.”
An Unsinkable Titanic: Every Ship Its Own Lifeboat. By John Bernard Walker. (1912)
I think Billy Zane's performance on titanic is grossly underrated. He totally nailed his part. But throw Dicaprio into the mix and all common sense goes out the window.
He did do a good job. I wonder what he thinks when people ask him about Cal. I know he scenes where he had to he abusive to rose I bet he was scared that he might accidently hit or hurt her due to the scene.
2:10 It definitely was luxurious but not the only one. It looks absolutely fabulous.
I was watching a documentary on a DVD of A Night to Remember that I have where one of the people being interviewed said that Eva Hart “swore” that it was 1958 film’s version when it came to being asked about the version.
That’s the only source I have though.
It came on a DVD of A Night to Remember that I bought back in 2006.
I’m going along with what Titanic Honor and Glory’s team says, because I do believe them to be the most accurate, but I am curious, did Eva Hart actually say anything about the version of the hymn?
Didn’t you say they stayed to keep them on the lights
The actor from Cameron’s film whose clips are identified as Ismay did not play B. Ismay in the movie. He played ficticious fiance of Rose.
he knows. he’s using footage of Cal to represent his point on hollywood villains.
Question: when i search up "The iceberg that sank titanic" i see tons of pictures of pointy shaped bergs, and then i see another article, claiming that a man saw an iceberg a few miles away from the site where titanic sank, but he didnt know at the time that titanic had sunk, and he allegedly saw red paint on the iceberg, indicating that a ship collided with it. So, Red paint, ship collision, few miles from Titanic sinking area... Seems legit right? what do you think? What baffles me is the fact that this was apparently 6 hours after titanic sank and this man didnt see any bodies laying around in the water.
All things that happen on a ship are the sole responsibility of the captain. Where or not you think it is fair or right or even agree with this, Captain Smith is responsible for the Titanic disaster.
I think if he had lived his career would have definitely been over there's just no way he would have been able to continue with the White Star line given the amount of deaths The public's perception of a disaster and the newspapers relentless coverage. He would have definitely lost his master license if he had lived.
Or worse he would have been charged with manslaughter and sent to prison.
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After Titanic sank several ships loaded with ice and coffins went out to recover bodies.
Some bodies were taken back to Halifax and buried, but some other bodies were buried at sea.
What was the differance, was it a class thing?
Probably more to do with the amount of decomposition or damage to the corpse in most cases. I do know that a considerable reward ($10,000) was offered for recovery of Astor's body by his family. Maybe a few other wealthy people offed the same for their missing, although I've never heard of any other families that did.
Mainly, yes. That's why Sydney Goodwin took over a century to be identified-the rest of the family had their vests removed and were weighted down to be dropped back to the depths because they didn't look important enough to take back for identification and burial.
As for decomposition, there was basically none-remember, the water was below freezing, and saturated with salt. The bigger logistical problem was _preventing_ decomposition _during_ the trip back to NS. You can only carry so much formaldehyde on a little cable ship like _Mackay Bennett._
A question I've had since I saw the James Cameron movie as a kid... Did any first-class passengers try to bribe their way onto a lifeboat like Cal did in the film?
Downunda Thunda the movie didn’t portray that quite accurately. Captain Smith said “women and children first”. Lightoller, who was in charge of the lifeboats on the port side of the ship interpreted “women and children first” as women and children *only*
Meanwhile Officer Murdoch who was in charge of the lifeboats on the starboard side of the ship interpreted it as women and children *first* but if there were no women and children in the immediate vicinity of a lifeboat and there were free seats on the boat he’d give those seats to men.
@Annabelle Whyte 8 I believe these were Edward Ryan, later caught in lifeboat 14 by Officer Lowe and Daniel Buckley, who hid in the lifeboat and was covered up by a women next to him who felt bad for him.
It was rumored that the Duff-Gordon’s did but I believe that was proven to be false. The James Cameron movie was completely and utterly inaccurate with that part and the suicide scene with Murdoch. Well at least I see it as inaccurate, honestly and sadly enough Murdoch’s fate often comes down to belief and my belief is that he didn’t do it.