Basically blue is worse than green in every possible way excepted on a 6- drop where Obi-Wan is better than skirmisher. The biggest downside is missing ressupply
I have a version of the Han deck and it is my favorite deck to play by far as well. Glad to see you do well in the tournament, great content as always!
Amazing Thorrk, thank you very much for your videos. Sooo much input, so much passion for the community and the game. We can learn a lot! Keep doing what you do :). Hopefully this channel takes off!
Thats cool, I am watching your content for a few week. I valued your comment and you were looking like a smart player. I followed the league and just realized that you are the man that actually won. I guess my intuition were right lol. Well done sir.
Félicitations Pierre pour ce top 1 ! J’adore tes deck tech depuis le début, plus particulièrement ton Han que j’ai moi même joué depuis le début des weekly plays. Merci pour cette mise à jour et ces explications toujours très qualitatives sur les différents matchup ! Je te souhaite beaucoup de réussite dans tes prochains tournois 🎉
Thx for all the tips Thorkk, I went to my LGS weekly tournament and won all 4 games with Han! You get a pack for every win and I pulled a Andor Showcase!
Congratulations! I’ve watch every single video of yours and think you have the best Star Wars brain on you tube. Fantastic seeing you prove that to everyone with the win :) - happy to prove bobba isn’t king. - love the better graphic side board plan. Please always do that!! Sooo helpful for us visual people. - been waiting to hear people talk about how good spark of rebellion is. A lot of videos just say it’s okay and I’ve always thought it was a cornerstone card. Congrats again 🎉 -Tyler
Excellente vidéo. Bravk pour ta victoire. J’adore jouer Han aussi. La version casino est très fun à jouer mais la tienne est beaucoup plus profonde et travaillée. Continue !
@Thorrk_THT what do think about the 3 traitorous with the more upgrade hate nowadays? Really curious about the anti aggro addition. And, would you still consider Vanguard Ace crucial for the deck? When we are looking to the decks from the 5k, what do you think about cunning? It's great for tempo and the +4 could apply even more pressure.. But I understand that U wing gets worse. Hmm tricky
What're your thoughts on Overwhelming Barrage for 7? I was playing against a friend today testing 2 copies in his Han Green and on his "Han Turn" where he went for the double resource, he surprised me with Barrage on his Han Leader, instead of the classic U-Wing or Han Solo and the 6 damage spread across multiple units, in this particular game state, was devastating and won him the game for sure. It definitely made me think that it could be quite an interesting addition. Not sure if it's practical, but I've also experience many scenarios where that explosive 7 resource turn would almost benefit from removal instead of going wide - like the Barrage did for him.
It's a playable card in Han and there are defintely situation where it's good. But in general I think it's signifanctly weaker and more situational than other things you can do with other 7 resource cards like han or u wing
Congrats Thork, you inspired me to work with Han and I am enjoying the game a lot. Some questions: - Against Aggro I always sideboard out the resupply, cause I don’t see the moment to skip a full turn and receive so damage, what is your thought about this? - Against Aggro don’t you think Leia would be good in the end against the big ships? - Sideboard in main deck: you are focusing on starting balanced against Boba, but don’t you think would be good to be more balanced with some Yularen and others in main deck (1 or 2) PS: I am very happy to see you including in main deck Soark of R as I decided it several weeks ago is amazing. The good advice you have is using it in first turn, I really like it!
Thanks -Resupply is often too risky vs aggro but it's better than Mothma. If aggro has a slow start ramping is still one of the best thing your can do. -She is ok in the late game, that's why I keep 1, by the time you reach the late game you likely have drawn your copy and all you have to do is loop her with Skirmisher and home one to play her multiple times. -Yularen is only good against aggro, so no I would not want any in my main deck personally.
Congrats on the win! I’ve been enjoying playing a slightly different Han Green! So fun to pilot! Edit: how do you feel about Bamboozle? I use it in place of a few waylays because of the lower cost and serves a similar purpose. I use it a bunch against anyone who is upgrading cards and still gives me wiggle room to play a heavier unit
Thanks, I far prefer Waylay over bamboozle. To exhaust unit we already have Leia which is far better. Besides we have to be careful to not include too many non-unit cards in this deck as you need a lot of them to make U-wing good.
hey thanks for the awesome video, Han green is looking interesting might bring it to my locals. I do have a question about the meta tho, Is mono boba not that good rn, I personally have both boba green and boba yellow built and am wondering which one i should focus on, entering the uk a tournament a day for 3 days in games expo. and want to know which one i should focus on Mono boba or green. For reference first two days are best of one until top cut to let people see the rest of con and last day is full BO3. any idea what i should focus on i think i prefer piloting mono boba but green just seems better?
Congrats on the win. I am interested in playing a version of this deck, but more aggro. Have you tested anything faster than this version? Did you like it?
I think the only reason why Han green hasn't been hyped to the level that it probably deserves, is that is has an insanely high skill ceiling. You take a deck like Sabine and it pretty much pilots itself (I'm being hyperbolic here, of course there are still gaps in performance based on who's piloting any deck), while Han's ability adds many more layers of complexity to the decision-making process thoughrout the entire game, making it very hard to play well compared to some other decks.
Well done! I'm playing a lot of Han Green right now, it's great fun. It's nice to see it can do well competitively too. What are your thoughts on Mercenary Company as an inclusion? It does a similar job to Syndicate Lackey and Rogue Squadron Escort whilst being a bit more aggro.
@@Thorrk_THT can you please explain in a bit more detail? Getting a 2 cost unit back from the discard is great for sure, especially in Han. But being able to instantly take down Boba unit, Hask, a big Emperor's Royal Guard and other strong targets seems very relevant, as well as dealing some overwhelm to keep pressure up. Would love to hear your thoughts!
@@jccloud7 It's relevant yes but not as relevant as getting a 2-cost unit back Cards you mentioned are easily dealt with traitorous and Han unit. The 6 HP is also very relevant against control (out of takedown range) and the rebel trait is very important for Mothma.
Very well done on the win, and thanks for all the awesome content. Probably a silly question but where do people enter the online TTI league games to get to enter the TTI tournament? And presumably it's possible to watch others play as well because it'd be great to see you play live.
Any sideboard suggestions or recommended tactics against sticky shielded blue leaders like Luke & Chirruit where you might have to deal with an Obi & Luke unit?
Congratulations Thorrk! I learned a lot watching you play. Some of your play lines were things I would not have initially thought about. Do you have any tips for beating a Luke vigilance deck? There are a lot of Lukes at my locals. Thank you.
I don't consider Luke vigilance a particularly good deck so i don't have a lot of experience against it. Against Luke green however I do. My tips are: - Waylay is the most important card of your deck play it carefully. - Redemption is very strong against us, be ready for a long and grindy game. Focus on value and keeping the board under control, if you try to play aggro you better have a plan to win before turn 7 otherwise you will lose to redemption. -Play around luke jedi knight and luke's lightsaber. This is a very balanced MU. If you have a meta full of luke I recommend playing boba yellow or green.
Congratulation for taking the first place. Well deserved! My main deck is Boba/Green, still trying to get as much exp as i can. I run weekly in 2-3 local tours and i will probably enter TTI leagues for more games. As you said in previous uploads, Boba not using "No good to me dead" at least ×2 in main deck, is bad choice. Especialy against Han and Chirrut. My question since you are good in both Han and Boba. What would you sideboard in/out for Boba against Han; Also Chirrut; What would your strategy be? P.S. I did play against dominatrix last sunday in a tour. Your strategy for aggro approach against it in first game, play around Blast and sideboarding ×2 Relentless in the second game, gave me the win 2-0. Thanks alot!
How do you think this Han deck goes into the new blue Vader? Should we change the deck for the meta? Like make spark of rebellion mane board? Also what are you taking out for all your sideboard cards?
Thorrk, help me with this deck against aggro? Sabine Yellow tore me up tonight. I couldn't find enough 1) healing or 2) board control to keep up with her. Mulligans?
Nice deck and congratulations. I have two questions about the mechanic in this deck. 1 - Is the Rogue Operative + Surpirse Strike synergie good here?. 2 - Think about Han unit. The Frontline Shuttle are a rare space card to see and fit, i think it's the ship Han want's if the ship are in play before Han enters, he can strike 2 times and clear the way. How about that couple?.
Thanks. 1- Surprise strike is good with everything, I don't like Rogue operative in this deck especially without ECl 2- Fontline shuttle is way too situational from my experience. It's cute on paper and then you play with it and it sucks/
I just have the Showcase Han because I love the leader and hate the original art, my base is hyperspace because it's super cheap. Outside of that my deck is all regular cards, I like consistency, and I would rather trade my hyperspace and foil to get more cards.
Congrats on the tournament, and nice video. Really interesting play adjustments you descibe vs Boba. Sideboarding vs Aggro, are you happy keeping the Surprise Strikes in? I'd have thought they have less impact than Mon Mothma usually. Or are they needed for dealing with Leaders?
Surprise Strike is one of the most important card in the deck and should not be removed under any circumstances. One of the reason why Han green does well against aggro is because of its ability to kill very quickly and suprise strike is a big part of that.
@@Thorrk_THT thanks, that's good to know! I'd assumed you'd be taking the role of the control deck in the aggro matchup rather than racing for base damage. Thanks again for the insight!
I love this deck, but I struggle against Sabine. Any tips ? it always just ends up being a race to get the most damage. Should I try to trade with her earlier on?
Yes abolsutely! Racing against sabine is a losing battle, mulligan to get a marine; greedo or Ech base defender in hand. Use your ability aggresively early one to take control of the board, use falcon and bright hope to stabilize space, don't be greedy, ramp only if the baord is stable. Using U-wing to take over the baord. I have made some chenge to the deck to handle aggro better more info about that soon.
What are your thoughts on Lando? Some other creator I can’t think of his name was saying that Lando was insanely good in Han since it allowed you to pick up late game cards that you’ve resourced, and it also can be ECL’d into iden for a clean kill.
Yes I saw that video and I completely disagree for several reasons: - Not playing ECL has been a huge improvement for the deck. There are simply not enough good reasons to run ECL and a Lando is definitely not a good one imo. - Unless you are in super super late game, Bouncing your own resource is not a good idea you always need those resource to play throughout the game. - Lando + ECL play is only good against Iden and the mirror. It's a cool play but the cost of having to play ECL as well as the mediocre Lando to support a MU that I consider a good MU for Han is a bad idea in my opinion. And it's not like Iden is a particularly scary leader against me anyway, my strategy against Iden is to let her lose here shield in some way and then I can kill her with almost anything, having her staying around is not particularly scary to me. So the short answer is that, if I need more help against control I would much rather play Bodhi Rook.
Is there a link to the discord for this league? Im definitely struggling to get good practice in at the moment and would like to show up to my locals more prepared.
I've said this before GI/green is best GI deck into Boba. Since it can keep up with the ramp and has the big turn play earlier, while sacrificing some strength in the aggro match up. GI/blue is best all around but falls behind on the deploy plays of decks like Boba. GI/red is a sleeper deck. Also in one of the matches, kotul says that his use of 2 Palps and 1 lighting was a choice based on him only owning that many of those cards and wanting to play a deck he fully owned. Kotul also said the deck still has room for improvement of he was to use cards he doesn't own.
I don't know if IG green is the best deck into Boba (I would rank hard control stronger into boba), but it definitely does the job! Interesting, I talk to him on a regular basis and he never told me that! He can afford 3 vadors but can't afford a 3rd Palpatine? that's weird.
@@Thorrk_THT I meant for GI. GI/green is the best into Boba. No clue it's after the 2nd Boba match where he's asked about Force lightning and why he has only 1. That's when he mentioned the only cards he owns and he hadn't gotten another one at that point. He probably has them by now.
2 palpatine was a choice - but it was bad choce - now i'm playing 3. i have only one force lightning and that's why i'm playing only one, maybe two would be better but i'm not sure - and because i'm not sure i'm not playing two ;) in the end i think GI green is solid tier 2 deck that is fun to play (but has really bad matchup against han) i'm waiting to see good yellow/blue/red versions - but from tournament results i don't see many, but there's no GI green in tops so maybe there's room for something to appear
@@mkotul I've been doing a lot of testing with gi/red. It's a very fun deck. Especially when you can open Cantina braggart +Fallen Lightsaber or drop a rally cry for game. Oh I wanted to ask why you you chose to not play first legion snow trooper. I thought that fit very well with GI.
Did you play a lot of super control iden or anything like that blue Vader that win the ppg 5k? That deck is legit terrifying to me. It's basically the 0 iden list but with Vader. Also congrats on the accomplishment. I'm just not excited for this super laser blast slow meta not my style and I just want to crush it.
Have you played much against Palp Red? I have been playing your Han deck a lot but have struggled against Palp a lot as he ramps so fast and then plays a lot of big scary things that I don't feel like I have answers for and steals my big units as well! Feels very difficult.
It's a tough Match up for sure, good thing Palp is being mostly gatekept out of the meta by aggro. The first thing you got to do is play around palp's ability by focusing on playing multiple smaller unit rather than one big one(using U-wing). The ideal scenarios is to put enough pressure so palp has to be deployed prematurely to steal something small ( or nothing at all). If you can't, make sure you have waylay so you can bounce the stolen big unit back in your hand. Once Palp is gone the deck definitely has the tool to beat in the late game (unless you play against someone crazy who plays 3 devastators)
@@Thorrk_THTi truly think that even without sideboarding other midrange decks (esp boba, somewhat luke) are the only deck's i remotely stuggle against, i was thinking maybe frontline shuttle replacing bodhi in sb and taking out mothmas in the matchup to help with vlaue trading more often in your favor using han unit (and to make your leader exaust proof tho usually barrage or steadfast is the threat), or just getting damage into base then defeating shuttle to still take a favor trade after. What are your thoughts on this, if you think the frontline shuttle wouldnt be favorable what may be?
@@Thorrk_THTwould the original chewie help more with boba maths or syndicate? Ive got a win a case tournament coming up this weekend and the only thing i gotta figure out is these midrange matchups to feel confident in winning it 07 appreciate the responses
True and that's completely fine. My point is most good players play online and a good number of them play in that league making it particularly competitive. The reason is very simply: it's quite difficult to play the game enough and reach a good level if you rely only on IRL play. With that being said I agree that IRL should be the primarily focus. But until we have more and bigger official tournaments from FFG, I will work with what we have. Atm those tournaments are VERY interesting to look at if you want to learn more about the game at a competitive level.
@@Thorrk_THT I'm not saying they aren't a good resource, but like you I put more stock on IRL play that either is in or replicates a competitive environment.
True. Its also much more difficult to play hours upon hours of real games versus a league where you play a few games a week. I doubt the top brackets in this league were back to back either.
@@buckeyedave7 Ok so it depends on what information you are looking for: - If you are looking to see who is the best tournament player, it's true that winning from the comfort of your home doesn't mean you'll be a good player IRL, I have an extensive tournament experience and I can tell you my first MTG GP was a disaster ! - If you are looking to see decks confronted to each other to understand how the match-ups play out when the decks are played at their best, then this kind of tournament definitely is more interesting. In most cases I think people are looking for the latter. And to answer your questions: yes the top bracket of this league have quite a few back to back players, Astrotech is 2 time champions and SIP was the former champion. I personally took part in every top cut and so are a few other players like Towernumber9 and others...
Glad to see people have figured out that you shouldn’t use a 25 HP base unless there’s a good reason. I’ve been preaching it for like a month and everyone has been saying I’m crazy. I took ECL out of my Sabine deck a month ago. It’s the exact opposite of what you are trying to do with an aggro deck.
Well done! That said and seriously...On what basis is this tournament the most prestigeous online tournament? Because some content creators play in it? Is there any other online league and tournaments? Does anyone care about winning this tournament?
Prestige is a subjective notion I used that term for the title on purpose. My actual opinion is that this tournament (all 4 seasons included) is the highest level of play I have personally seen so far on Star Wars Unlimited (more details about that in the video). I have watched every possible tournament coverage available on RUclips and Twitch and in my opinion no tournament come close to the level of play you will be able to see in this tournament. Which is pretty normal if you think about it, most tournaments are still very much on the local level. So naturally a tournament that's known and worldwide is gonna gather stronger players. If you don't believe what I say, I invite you to simply go watch it and see for yourself. Obviously this is true now as the game is still very recent but I have no doubt it won't remain the case as FFG starts big IRL official tournament. With all that being said I still need to watch the 5k tournaments that happened Orlando this weekend, maybe this tournament will feature a even higher level of play.
@@Thorrk_THT Yeah I hear you, but I would have just said biggest current online league / tournament. Wait until money is on the line and there is more actual decent online tourneys with "official tournament rules" - before maybe calling it most prestigious, best players and highest level of play. I pay more attention to a 5k or just weekly events. For one, there is a big difference between IRL and online, from stamina to pressure to variety. As you also point out, in this setup you had time to practice before / specifically for a matchups. You had a locked in and old meta. (I mean it was also content creators and online players that told us Boba ECL, Sabine ECL, Iden ECL). If I also understand correctly you could switch decks between league and top cut? (Also during league?) - if not it is even just a longer locked in meta with known matchups / time to practice. I think all of this also impacts on your best player / highest level of play argument. (Of course play is high if you can study and practice against your next matchup) I do think it is useful data and a good test of certain matchups / deck ideas - but actually in terms of IRL play, it doesn't translate that well...Also whilst it is a good skills challenge, again I think it does nothing to test IRL skills like stamina, pressure, variance and even deck building aspects (time pressure, mental drain of decks, how easy to adjust / sideboard if you have time vs IRL, ditto IRL desciscions vs play testing your gameplan for the matchup) I am also a bit skeptical of the online and content creator bubble...Some people telling you Han is not competitive, yellow doesn't work in aggro, ECL is too good not to play a month (or even week ago)...telll you the next week they discovered the new cutting edge and have a hot take on ECL (is often a crutch), deck X (they rubbished a month ago) and parrot the same stuff from their bubble. (Again, not saying a lot is not valid, I consume a lot of content, but just that you have to be careful of the online content bubble as well)
@@WhiskeyjackZA Ok so it depends on what information you are looking for: - If you are looking to see who is the best tournament player, it's true that winning from the comfort of your home doesn't mean you'll be a good player IRL, I have an extensive tournament experience and I can tell you my first MTG GP was a disaster ! - If you are looking to see decks confronted to each other to understand how the match-ups play out when the decks are played at their best, then this kind of tournament definitely is more interesting. In most cases I think people are looking for the latter. Yeah you got to decide who you trust the most, the beauty of card games is that things are not obvious and people will have different opinion and that's the sign of an healthy game.
@@Thorrk_THT Agree! Although I do think the matchup point is debatable in terms of how much weight the theoretical information available from this online format, applies to a faster and more dynamic meta and IRL play considerations. But, yeah - to be clear, I do think it provides important information to make some reliable general statements and is interesting content. See it as my disclaimer or small print. To be fair you also do cover some of this in the video.
Congratulations! Well deserved win🔥
Thanks for the kind words
Congratz to you too, great run for a first time !
Have you ever paired Han Solo with Blue and got it to the same power level as Green?
Basically blue is worse than green in every possible way excepted on a 6- drop where Obi-Wan is better than skirmisher. The biggest downside is missing ressupply
@@Thorrk_THTHAHAHAHA "ever possible way" lol ... thatnk you, that makes a lot of sense
Any advice on how to use Han to beat Boba Double Yellow?
Pretty much the same advice as for the boba green match up ,just be very aware of cunning and bodhi rook especially
I have a version of the Han deck and it is my favorite deck to play by far as well. Glad to see you do well in the tournament, great content as always!
More than well deserved! You played so well and it was amazing to see you win! Congrats mate!
Thanks man☺️
Amazing Thorrk, thank you very much for your videos. Sooo much input, so much passion for the community and the game. We can learn a lot! Keep doing what you do :). Hopefully this channel takes off!
Thats cool, I am watching your content for a few week. I valued your comment and you were looking like a smart player. I followed the league and just realized that you are the man that actually won. I guess my intuition were right lol. Well done sir.
Félicitations Pierre pour ce top 1 !
J’adore tes deck tech depuis le début, plus particulièrement ton Han que j’ai moi même joué depuis le début des weekly plays.
Merci pour cette mise à jour et ces explications toujours très qualitatives sur les différents matchup !
Je te souhaite beaucoup de réussite dans tes prochains tournois 🎉
Thx for all the tips Thorkk, I went to my LGS weekly tournament and won all 4 games with Han! You get a pack for every win and I pulled a Andor Showcase!
Congratulations! I’ve watch every single video of yours and think you have the best Star Wars brain on you tube. Fantastic seeing you prove that to everyone with the win :)
- happy to prove bobba isn’t king.
- love the better graphic side board plan. Please always do that!! Sooo helpful for us visual people.
- been waiting to hear people talk about how good spark of rebellion is. A lot of videos just say it’s okay and I’ve always thought it was a cornerstone card.
Congrats again 🎉
-Tyler
Thanks for your kind message!
Excellente vidéo. Bravk pour ta victoire. J’adore jouer Han aussi. La version casino est très fun à jouer mais la tienne est beaucoup plus profonde et travaillée. Continue !
Awesome video! Love your takes. Is there footage of your match with the GI in the finals? Would love to see it.
www.youtube.com/@TaketheInitiative-SWU
@Thorrk_THT what do think about the 3 traitorous with the more upgrade hate nowadays? Really curious about the anti aggro addition. And, would you still consider Vanguard Ace crucial for the deck? When we are looking to the decks from the 5k, what do you think about cunning? It's great for tempo and the +4 could apply even more pressure.. But I understand that U wing gets worse. Hmm tricky
Great content, my fave swu RUclips channel by far , keep up the good work 👍
Love the info and the deck tech, also super appreciate the sideboard tech. Keep it up!
Playing Han is so challenging, but so much fun! I feel so “stuck” playing other decks. 🤣
What do you consider the other Tier 1 decks, besides BobaGreen of course?
So far Iden/krennic green , Sabine green and Boba yellow.
Congratulations on the win! Your content shows your high level as a player. Keep doing that awesome work ❤
What're your thoughts on Overwhelming Barrage for 7? I was playing against a friend today testing 2 copies in his Han Green and on his "Han Turn" where he went for the double resource, he surprised me with Barrage on his Han Leader, instead of the classic U-Wing or Han Solo and the 6 damage spread across multiple units, in this particular game state, was devastating and won him the game for sure. It definitely made me think that it could be quite an interesting addition. Not sure if it's practical, but I've also experience many scenarios where that explosive 7 resource turn would almost benefit from removal instead of going wide - like the Barrage did for him.
It's a playable card in Han and there are defintely situation where it's good. But in general I think it's signifanctly weaker and more situational than other things you can do with other 7 resource cards like han or u wing
Congrats Thork, you inspired me to work with Han and I am enjoying the game a lot. Some questions:
- Against Aggro I always sideboard out the resupply, cause I don’t see the moment to skip a full turn and receive so damage, what is your thought about this?
- Against Aggro don’t you think Leia would be good in the end against the big ships?
- Sideboard in main deck: you are focusing on starting balanced against Boba, but don’t you think would be good to be more balanced with some Yularen and others in main deck (1 or 2)
PS: I am very happy to see you including in main deck Soark of R as I decided it several weeks ago is amazing. The good advice you have is using it in first turn, I really like it!
Thanks
-Resupply is often too risky vs aggro but it's better than Mothma. If aggro has a slow start ramping is still one of the best thing your can do.
-She is ok in the late game, that's why I keep 1, by the time you reach the late game you likely have drawn your copy and all you have to do is loop her with Skirmisher and home one to play her multiple times.
-Yularen is only good against aggro, so no I would not want any in my main deck personally.
Congrats on the win! I’ve been enjoying playing a slightly different Han Green! So fun to pilot!
Edit: how do you feel about Bamboozle? I use it in place of a few waylays because of the lower cost and serves a similar purpose. I use it a bunch against anyone who is upgrading cards and still gives me wiggle room to play a heavier unit
Thanks,
I far prefer Waylay over bamboozle. To exhaust unit we already have Leia which is far better. Besides we have to be careful to not include too many non-unit cards in this deck as you need a lot of them to make U-wing good.
hey thanks for the awesome video, Han green is looking interesting might bring it to my locals. I do have a question about the meta tho, Is mono boba not that good rn, I personally have both boba green and boba yellow built and am wondering which one i should focus on, entering the uk a tournament a day for 3 days in games expo. and want to know which one i should focus on Mono boba or green. For reference first two days are best of one until top cut to let people see the rest of con and last day is full BO3. any idea what i should focus on i think i prefer piloting mono boba but green just seems better?
They are both good decks
Congrats on the win. I am interested in playing a version of this deck, but more aggro. Have you tested anything faster than this version? Did you like it?
I think the only reason why Han green hasn't been hyped to the level that it probably deserves, is that is has an insanely high skill ceiling. You take a deck like Sabine and it pretty much pilots itself (I'm being hyperbolic here, of course there are still gaps in performance based on who's piloting any deck), while Han's ability adds many more layers of complexity to the decision-making process thoughrout the entire game, making it very hard to play well compared to some other decks.
Well done! I'm playing a lot of Han Green right now, it's great fun. It's nice to see it can do well competitively too.
What are your thoughts on Mercenary Company as an inclusion? It does a similar job to Syndicate Lackey and Rogue Squadron Escort whilst being a bit more aggro.
It would probably be the next best thing if Skirmisher didn't exist. But right now it's redundant with skirmisher who is a lot better in my opinion.
@@Thorrk_THT can you please explain in a bit more detail?
Getting a 2 cost unit back from the discard is great for sure, especially in Han. But being able to instantly take down Boba unit, Hask, a big Emperor's Royal Guard and other strong targets seems very relevant, as well as dealing some overwhelm to keep pressure up.
Would love to hear your thoughts!
@@jccloud7 It's relevant yes but not as relevant as getting a 2-cost unit back Cards you mentioned are easily dealt with traitorous and Han unit.
The 6 HP is also very relevant against control (out of takedown range) and the rebel trait is very important for Mothma.
Very well done on the win, and thanks for all the awesome content. Probably a silly question but where do people enter the online TTI league games to get to enter the TTI tournament? And presumably it's possible to watch others play as well because it'd be great to see you play live.
to join: discord.gg/ZnH95WDw
to watch : www.youtube.com/@TaketheInitiative-SWU
Any sideboard suggestions or recommended tactics against sticky shielded blue leaders like Luke & Chirruit where you might have to deal with an Obi & Luke unit?
Cool deck, I sleeved it up and tested some games and I really like it.
Do you think with out of color double cards becoming more prevalent, there is room for this list for aggression or maybe command?
Congratulations Thorrk! I learned a lot watching you play. Some of your play lines were things I would not have initially thought about.
Do you have any tips for beating a Luke vigilance deck? There are a lot of Lukes at my locals. Thank you.
I don't consider Luke vigilance a particularly good deck so i don't have a lot of experience against it.
Against Luke green however I do. My tips are:
- Waylay is the most important card of your deck play it carefully.
- Redemption is very strong against us, be ready for a long and grindy game. Focus on value and keeping the board under control, if you try to play aggro you better have a plan to win before turn 7 otherwise you will lose to redemption.
-Play around luke jedi knight and luke's lightsaber.
This is a very balanced MU. If you have a meta full of luke I recommend playing boba yellow or green.
@@Thorrk_THT Thank you so much for the reply and advice! I love playing Han and Liea but I may have to learn Boba Fett.
Congratulation for taking the first place. Well deserved! My main deck is Boba/Green, still trying to get as much exp as i can. I run weekly in 2-3 local tours and i will probably enter TTI leagues for more games. As you said in previous uploads, Boba not using "No good to me dead" at least ×2 in main deck, is bad choice. Especialy against Han and Chirrut. My question since you are good in both Han and Boba. What would you sideboard in/out for Boba against Han; Also Chirrut; What would your strategy be? P.S. I did play against dominatrix last sunday in a tour. Your strategy for aggro approach against it in first game, play around Blast and sideboarding ×2 Relentless in the second game, gave me the win 2-0. Thanks alot!
How do you think this Han deck goes into the new blue Vader? Should we change the deck for the meta? Like make spark of rebellion mane board? Also what are you taking out for all your sideboard cards?
it does pretty well I think details are in the video :)
Congrats again bro lol you're a beast
Thorrk, help me with this deck against aggro? Sabine Yellow tore me up tonight. I couldn't find enough 1) healing or 2) board control to keep up with her. Mulligans?
Nice deck and congratulations. I have two questions about the mechanic in this deck.
1 - Is the Rogue Operative + Surpirse Strike synergie good here?.
2 - Think about Han unit. The Frontline Shuttle are a rare space card to see and fit, i think it's the ship Han want's if the ship are in play before Han enters, he can strike 2 times and clear the way. How about that couple?.
Thanks.
1- Surprise strike is good with everything, I don't like Rogue operative in this deck especially without ECl
2- Fontline shuttle is way too situational from my experience. It's cute on paper and then you play with it and it sucks/
How do you feel about fleet lieutenant? I have had it played against me in Han Green and it seemed really good.
In my version of the deck I don't play enough Rebel to make it good.
I played han green at the florida 5k. Went 5 and 3. 4 and 2 vs boba. Unfortunately boba was the loss that knocked me out of making cut.
Lots of control in the meta atm. How would you adjust your deck vs blue and double blue decks?
It's in the video spark in main deck and bodhi in side :)
Do you bling out the deck in foils/hyperspace variants or keep it normal with regular versions of cards for your Han Solo deck?
I just have the Showcase Han because I love the leader and hate the original art, my base is hyperspace because it's super cheap. Outside of that my deck is all regular cards, I like consistency, and I would rather trade my hyperspace and foil to get more cards.
Congrats on the tournament, and nice video. Really interesting play adjustments you descibe vs Boba.
Sideboarding vs Aggro, are you happy keeping the Surprise Strikes in? I'd have thought they have less impact than Mon Mothma usually. Or are they needed for dealing with Leaders?
Surprise Strike is one of the most important card in the deck and should not be removed under any circumstances. One of the reason why Han green does well against aggro is because of its ability to kill very quickly and suprise strike is a big part of that.
@@Thorrk_THT thanks, that's good to know! I'd assumed you'd be taking the role of the control deck in the aggro matchup rather than racing for base damage. Thanks again for the insight!
Bravo !! :)
Congrats on the win. It was a great game!
Wait, Change of Heart effectively nullifies Traitorous??? Never thought of that
I love this deck, but I struggle against Sabine. Any tips ? it always just ends up being a race to get the most damage. Should I try to trade with her earlier on?
Yes abolsutely! Racing against sabine is a losing battle, mulligan to get a marine; greedo or Ech base defender in hand. Use your ability aggresively early one to take control of the board, use falcon and bright hope to stabilize space, don't be greedy, ramp only if the baord is stable. Using U-wing to take over the baord.
I have made some chenge to the deck to handle aggro better more info about that soon.
What would you rank Emperor decks and what would you say the best Emperor deck?
I will answer that question soon :)
What are your thoughts on Lando? Some other creator I can’t think of his name was saying that Lando was insanely good in Han since it allowed you to pick up late game cards that you’ve resourced, and it also can be ECL’d into iden for a clean kill.
Yes I saw that video and I completely disagree for several reasons:
- Not playing ECL has been a huge improvement for the deck. There are simply not enough good reasons to run ECL and a Lando is definitely not a good one imo.
- Unless you are in super super late game, Bouncing your own resource is not a good idea you always need those resource to play throughout the game.
- Lando + ECL play is only good against Iden and the mirror. It's a cool play but the cost of having to play ECL as well as the mediocre Lando to support a MU that I consider a good MU for Han is a bad idea in my opinion. And it's not like Iden is a particularly scary leader against me anyway, my strategy against Iden is to let her lose here shield in some way and then I can kill her with almost anything, having her staying around is not particularly scary to me.
So the short answer is that, if I need more help against control I would much rather play Bodhi Rook.
@@Thorrk_THT Makes sense thanks for the reply!
Is there a link to the discord for this league? Im definitely struggling to get good practice in at the moment and would like to show up to my locals more prepared.
discord.gg/8ujSC58j
ive played a lot of boba vs han green its not a bad matchup for han green depending on ur dekc ur even favorud id say
Great content.
Great content! I really enjoy non-Boba deck winning
Could you elaborate a bit on Admiral Ozzel in the GI deck? Do you know why it was included, is it just because of stats?
Stats and sometimes you can play it, untap it with GI, and play something else untapped (rukh, raider). Sometimes it can really save you :)
Contratulations! Good Job! How many players participated in the league? (not only the top cut, I mean)
no idea about season 1 (data no longer available) but in the current league over a 100.
I've said this before GI/green is best GI deck into Boba. Since it can keep up with the ramp and has the big turn play earlier, while sacrificing some strength in the aggro match up. GI/blue is best all around but falls behind on the deploy plays of decks like Boba. GI/red is a sleeper deck.
Also in one of the matches, kotul says that his use of 2 Palps and 1 lighting was a choice based on him only owning that many of those cards and wanting to play a deck he fully owned. Kotul also said the deck still has room for improvement of he was to use cards he doesn't own.
I don't know if IG green is the best deck into Boba (I would rank hard control stronger into boba), but it definitely does the job!
Interesting, I talk to him on a regular basis and he never told me that! He can afford 3 vadors but can't afford a 3rd Palpatine? that's weird.
@@Thorrk_THT I meant for GI. GI/green is the best into Boba.
No clue it's after the 2nd Boba match where he's asked about Force lightning and why he has only 1. That's when he mentioned the only cards he owns and he hadn't gotten another one at that point. He probably has them by now.
@@TwelveTables I think Force lightning is too situational to be played in more than a one off but that's my opinion.
2 palpatine was a choice - but it was bad choce - now i'm playing 3.
i have only one force lightning and that's why i'm playing only one, maybe two would be better but i'm not sure - and because i'm not sure i'm not playing two ;)
in the end i think GI green is solid tier 2 deck that is fun to play (but has really bad matchup against han)
i'm waiting to see good yellow/blue/red versions - but from tournament results i don't see many, but there's no GI green in tops so maybe there's room for something to appear
@@mkotul I've been doing a lot of testing with gi/red. It's a very fun deck. Especially when you can open Cantina braggart +Fallen Lightsaber or drop a rally cry for game.
Oh I wanted to ask why you you chose to not play first legion snow trooper. I thought that fit very well with GI.
Petite question : est-ce que tu vas continuer à jouer Han en saison 2 ?
tu verras bien :)
Did you play a lot of super control iden or anything like that blue Vader that win the ppg 5k? That deck is legit terrifying to me. It's basically the 0 iden list but with Vader. Also congrats on the accomplishment. I'm just not excited for this super laser blast slow meta not my style and I just want to crush it.
I need to watch the games before making an opinion about. But yeah replacing Iden by vador doesn't sound like a bad idea.
Have you played much against Palp Red? I have been playing your Han deck a lot but have struggled against Palp a lot as he ramps so fast and then plays a lot of big scary things that I don't feel like I have answers for and steals my big units as well! Feels very difficult.
It's a tough Match up for sure, good thing Palp is being mostly gatekept out of the meta by aggro.
The first thing you got to do is play around palp's ability by focusing on playing multiple smaller unit rather than one big one(using U-wing). The ideal scenarios is to put enough pressure so palp has to be deployed prematurely to steal something small ( or nothing at all). If you can't, make sure you have waylay so you can bounce the stolen big unit back in your hand.
Once Palp is gone the deck definitely has the tool to beat in the late game (unless you play against someone crazy who plays 3 devastators)
Great job!
green/yellow four in a row..! congrats thorrk
one question, what is going on with the hand movement in TS all the time going diagonal? XD
Can't talk for other player, but me I just box my hand repeatidely as a way to focus like shuffling cards in your hand IRL.
You’re the man thorrk
Congratulations 🎉🎊🍾🎈
Congrat!
Congratulations 🎉
Congratulations !
What are the primary Traitorous targets.
Nothing is off the table, I prioritze untap units. Ideal targets is different in each MU.
How has Bodi been working out? He tends not to come out in my games
Also have you started sideboarding him in against boba? If so what is taken out
Bodhi rook is only against control, it's great but I wonder if we really need more help against control
@@Thorrk_THTi truly think that even without sideboarding other midrange decks (esp boba, somewhat luke) are the only deck's i remotely stuggle against, i was thinking maybe frontline shuttle replacing bodhi in sb and taking out mothmas in the matchup to help with vlaue trading more often in your favor using han unit (and to make your leader exaust proof tho usually barrage or steadfast is the threat), or just getting damage into base then defeating shuttle to still take a favor trade after. What are your thoughts on this, if you think the frontline shuttle wouldnt be favorable what may be?
@@tbugz6906 frontline shuttle is wayyy too situational imo.
@@Thorrk_THTwould the original chewie help more with boba maths or syndicate? Ive got a win a case tournament coming up this weekend and the only thing i gotta figure out is these midrange matchups to feel confident in winning it 07 appreciate the responses
YOU WON!?!?! HELL YEAH BRO
Where is the sign up for online play
discord.gg/xendV8tF
Anyone can play, but not everyone will. There are large numbers of card game players who are completely averse to online tournaments
True and that's completely fine.
My point is most good players play online and a good number of them play in that league making it particularly competitive.
The reason is very simply: it's quite difficult to play the game enough and reach a good level if you rely only on IRL play.
With that being said I agree that IRL should be the primarily focus. But until we have more and bigger official tournaments from FFG, I will work with what we have. Atm those tournaments are VERY interesting to look at if you want to learn more about the game at a competitive level.
@@Thorrk_THT I'm not saying they aren't a good resource, but like you I put more stock on IRL play that either is in or replicates a competitive environment.
True. Its also much more difficult to play hours upon hours of real games versus a league where you play a few games a week. I doubt the top brackets in this league were back to back either.
@@buckeyedave7 Ok so it depends on what information you are looking for:
- If you are looking to see who is the best tournament player, it's true that winning from the comfort of your home doesn't mean you'll be a good player IRL, I have an extensive tournament experience and I can tell you my first MTG GP was a disaster !
- If you are looking to see decks confronted to each other to understand how the match-ups play out when the decks are played at their best, then this kind of tournament definitely is more interesting.
In most cases I think people are looking for the latter.
And to answer your questions: yes the top bracket of this league have quite a few back to back players, Astrotech is 2 time champions and SIP was the former champion. I personally took part in every top cut and so are a few other players like Towernumber9 and others...
Glad to see people have figured out that you shouldn’t use a 25 HP base unless there’s a good reason. I’ve been preaching it for like a month and everyone has been saying I’m crazy.
I took ECL out of my Sabine deck a month ago. It’s the exact opposite of what you are trying to do with an aggro deck.
Well done! That said and seriously...On what basis is this tournament the most prestigeous online tournament? Because some content creators play in it? Is there any other online league and tournaments? Does anyone care about winning this tournament?
Prestige is a subjective notion I used that term for the title on purpose. My actual opinion is that this tournament (all 4 seasons included) is the highest level of play I have personally seen so far on Star Wars Unlimited (more details about that in the video).
I have watched every possible tournament coverage available on RUclips and Twitch and in my opinion no tournament come close to the level of play you will be able to see in this tournament. Which is pretty normal if you think about it, most tournaments are still very much on the local level. So naturally a tournament that's known and worldwide is gonna gather stronger players. If you don't believe what I say, I invite you to simply go watch it and see for yourself.
Obviously this is true now as the game is still very recent but I have no doubt it won't remain the case as FFG starts big IRL official tournament.
With all that being said I still need to watch the 5k tournaments that happened Orlando this weekend, maybe this tournament will feature a even higher level of play.
@@Thorrk_THT Yeah I hear you, but I would have just said biggest current online league / tournament. Wait until money is on the line and there is more actual decent online tourneys with "official tournament rules" - before maybe calling it most prestigious, best players and highest level of play.
I pay more attention to a 5k or just weekly events. For one, there is a big difference between IRL and online, from stamina to pressure to variety. As you also point out, in this setup you had time to practice before / specifically for a matchups. You had a locked in and old meta. (I mean it was also content creators and online players that told us Boba ECL, Sabine ECL, Iden ECL). If I also understand correctly you could switch decks between league and top cut? (Also during league?) - if not it is even just a longer locked in meta with known matchups / time to practice. I think all of this also impacts on your best player / highest level of play argument. (Of course play is high if you can study and practice against your next matchup)
I do think it is useful data and a good test of certain matchups / deck ideas - but actually in terms of IRL play, it doesn't translate that well...Also whilst it is a good skills challenge, again I think it does nothing to test IRL skills like stamina, pressure, variance and even deck building aspects (time pressure, mental drain of decks, how easy to adjust / sideboard if you have time vs IRL, ditto IRL desciscions vs play testing your gameplan for the matchup)
I am also a bit skeptical of the online and content creator bubble...Some people telling you Han is not competitive, yellow doesn't work in aggro, ECL is too good not to play a month (or even week ago)...telll you the next week they discovered the new cutting edge and have a hot take on ECL (is often a crutch), deck X (they rubbished a month ago) and parrot the same stuff from their bubble. (Again, not saying a lot is not valid, I consume a lot of content, but just that you have to be careful of the online content bubble as well)
@@WhiskeyjackZA Ok so it depends on what information you are looking for:
- If you are looking to see who is the best tournament player, it's true that winning from the comfort of your home doesn't mean you'll be a good player IRL, I have an extensive tournament experience and I can tell you my first MTG GP was a disaster !
- If you are looking to see decks confronted to each other to understand how the match-ups play out when the decks are played at their best, then this kind of tournament definitely is more interesting.
In most cases I think people are looking for the latter.
Yeah you got to decide who you trust the most, the beauty of card games is that things are not obvious and people will have different opinion and that's the sign of an healthy game.
@@Thorrk_THT Agree! Although I do think the matchup point is debatable in terms of how much weight the theoretical information available from this online format, applies to a faster and more dynamic meta and IRL play considerations. But, yeah - to be clear, I do think it provides important information to make some reliable general statements and is interesting content. See it as my disclaimer or small print. To be fair you also do cover some of this in the video.