Its funny how people are choosing their gun based on stoping power & fire rate, as if any of these two guns wouldn’t send you 6 feet under before you can blink once. One well placed bullet is all it takes. Remember kids; real life isn’t call of duty.
Both are great but I'd take the PPSH-41. More powerful caliber, more robust and super simple. Also a more comfortable stock. Fun fact: Germany actually attempted to copy the PPSH because troops liked it so much
For penetration is PPSH-41, but 9mm have HP, JHP(ammo that makes bigger wound than FMJ without kevlar or any other body armor). I think that MP-40 is compact, FA controlable and lighter. PPSH-41 have high rate of fire and it is chambered in 7,62×25(good for penetration), i think it is more accurate that MP-40(becouse of wobly overlapping stock on MP-40).
ppsh is heavier, some has low quality reputation but the ammo and fire rate packs a punch. Even the drum mag is heavy, ppsh is heavy in general. Mp40 lighter, more accurate but less damage less weight. If I have low ammo and enemy are far away, i use mp40, if u wanna sweep the floor, use ppsh. For me I want ppsh41 with 71 drum mag becuz I'm not sweeping or sniping, I'm having fun but ill also be happy to get mp40 and see how it goes
@@yenle7296 PPSh-41 is more accrute than MP40 due to longer barrel, higher muzzle speed and small compensator. Morevoer, 7,62×25 round is more powerful than 9×19 on most distances, as its higher velocity overshadows less mass of the bullet. I have TT and CZ-75. TT's stopping power is noticably higher.
I’ve fired both and while the MP-40 is one of the smoothest firing guns I’ve shot, it doesn’t have the punch or the rate of fore that the ppsh-41 has. German soldiers used them frequently because of their reliability and rate of fire. They were even rechambered to fire 9mm by the Germans.
Rate of fire is a two-edged sword. Yes, handy in certain situations BUT, not only does it typically result in reduced accuracy, it also increases ammo consumption.
@@thomass1891 No. I'm trying to point out that high cyclic rate is cool bananas until you're standing there with your dick hanging out, and no frinkin' ammo.
@@haroldgodwinson832 Accuracy doesn't matter in the scenarios these weapons were built for. They were not made for precise single shots over long distances. They were made to quickly cover an area in close combat.
No matter how many times I see an MP40 fire, it always surprises me how manageable it is. I would rather have the PPSH, it's ammo is truly fascinating to me. I own a TTC pistol and it's the most accurate handgun I own. 7.62x25 is capable of approaching 5.56mm carbine terminal effectiveness when fired out of a barrel of at least 16".
Not a lot of people talk about how the MP38 was originally a vehicle crew weapon, it's kinda lame for a reason, it shoots slower; saves ammo, has a folding stock with no cheekweld; compact, this is a great gun for vehicle crews, but Germany definitely could've used a better submachine gun for their infantry. Something for example like the MP28 or MP34 which both could use a bayonet, had fixed stocks and had a faster rpm than the MP40.
I am German and I am a Patriot. But I heard that German Eastfront Veterans prefered the PPSH-41. Its still a great and reliable weapon tho and when it comes to MGs and Tanks I would always choose the german ones but in this particularly case I tend to the Russian Sub Machine Gun, at least in Close Combat.
All soldiers like foreign weapons. Except maybe Japanese weapons, I think they racistly thought they were inferior weapons, the same way we see Chinese weapons today, cheap copycat weapons.
@@martin018esp6 That's right. The PPSh was the main weapon in the SA, while in the Wehrmacht it was the Kar 98. The MP was relatively few in number compared to the PPSh.
The movie "Stalingrad" a German movie, a German officer tell his soldiers if they find any ppsh 41 take them because they are better than their mp 40. In this test, despite two guns are being shot by the same shooter, it is not the way to test the accuracy and the penetration power. Guns needs to be fixated on a clamp or something like that. The way he keeps the ppsh is not the same as he keeps the mp. His left hand on mp stands on the magazine, on the ppsh stands very close to the right hand which makes the control harder, So not a true test. My opinion, ppsh wins in every kind of competition vs mp.
I think that drum mags are not that bad but they are heavy and it takes time to load it. Also, gun can jam more often then with regular box magazine(35 if I remember). They used drums becouse high rate of fire, so gun will easily eat all ammo!
the ppsh spews out bullets at a much faster rate - about double the mp40 - which is a slight drawback because in a firefight you could quickly burn through a lot of ammo, but in urban and close quarters combat where a split second can determine life or death it has an edge over the mp40 which is probably why many German soldiers preferred it.
I’ve heard that this is a myth created by Stalingrad. The soviets used the ppsh and its fire rate very well there, and the german troops realized they needed to swap their Mauser rifles with smgs to match the soviets there. But German logistics plus smgs being concentrated in the German officers meant that German troops had to use captured Ppshs to get their needed smgs.
I've owned and fired both of these weapons. But my favourite is the PPSH. It would empty out a drum magazine without a single stoppage, but such a high rate of fire you could find yourself out of gas at that critical moment!
German units usually only had the platoon leader carry an MP-40, while his men carried rifles or the light machine gun. Soviet units had far more soldiers armed with PPSH-41s because these could be produced quicker and more efficiently than rifles. The large ammo drums used onthe PPSH-41 weren't very practicable though. Each drum took longer to reload and it was difficult to carry spare drums on you. I believe they also issued PPSH-41s with 30 round magazines later on for that reason. And of course the PPS-43 which followed was produced in even larger numbers and looks more 'svelte' as in a 'Russian MP-40.'
My two favourite ww2 smgs and a really good comparison shoot. Unfortunately I have deactivated models only as we are not so lucky in the UK with our constitution as the USA and other countries. Police, armed forces and criminals can have live automatic weapons, not responsible adult enthusiasts. Really good to see how my guns would've fired. Many thanks for this. PS, although a collector of fallschirmjager items, the ppsh41 features on my mannequin as it was a more reliable and hardier combat weapon
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У нас тоже сложно с оружием для гражданского применения, Автоматическое оружие под запретом, ограничения в емкости магазинов и прочее...Полагаю, у американских граждан нашего оружия на руках больше, чем у самих граждан России)
Schmeisser versus Shpagin! Let's go!! By the way, I know that Hugo Schmeisser didn't invent the MP-40. It was developed by Heinrich Vollmer and Berthold Geipel. Schmeisser just owned a factory that made them. Even the MP-40 magazines bare his name as he had a patent for the straight magazine design.
My Opa was in the 8th Panzer Division 43rd Abt Panzerjager. In the 70s I had a book on military small arms. I showed Opa the MP40 and asked him if he carried it. He said no and took the book and flipped through the pages and showed me a Ppsh and pointed at it. Here that’s it. I asked why he carried that one he said. “Because it worked” Then 5 years ago I bought a book about the 8th Panzer Division and in the book was a mannequin dressed in a Panzerjager uniform carrying a Ppsh… I found that interesting
Both have advantages and disadvantages. But the production of PPSh took significantly less labor costs, it was cheaper. And the Soviet army has much more of these submachine guns, than Germans have MP-40, 38. The PPSh is not the only submachine gun in the Soviet (Red) Army. There was also a SudAev submachine gun. It is better to write in English PPSh. Sh is the initial sound in the surname of the designer ShpAgin. In the Russian language there is a separate letter "Ш". In English, you have to use two letters "Sh".
После отстрела надо отсоединять магазин,и только потом передёрнуть затвор,произвести контрольный спуск-и поставить потом на предохранитель.А вы всё заглядываете через выбрасыватель,а если темно на улице-так же будете делать.
Принцип открытого затвора позволяет проверять наличие патрона в патроннике без снятия магазина.. ( в этом и были плюсы и соответственно минусы системы Шпагина)
The difference in weight is 0.034 kg. It can't even be called an advantage. By the way, faster-firing guns have easier recoil control. Just compare how his body jerks (1:24), (1:42).
У меня прадед с такой пушкой до Кёнигсберга дошёл, эх отличный аппарат Эхо войны всё же, Мечтаю так же вдоволь и от души пострелять из культового немецкого пистолета пулемёта мп 38-40, такая вещь в хозяйстве пригодиться спасибо за интересное видио
If you were a Red Army grunt hauling around an unwieldy Mosin-Nagant with a 5 round mag and a notoriously difficult bolt and someone suddenly handed you a PPSH-41, you'd think a miracle had just occurred.
Very nice ...from what I've heard and what you showed . ..PPSH 41 is what I would choose. I'm curious if it has dirt jamming issues like the Mp40 . Thanks for the video
Just like when R Lee Ermy compared the Thompson to the MP40... it really comes down to the shooter. Both have their advantages in different areas. MP40's slower rate of fire makes it more accurate. The PPSH's rate of fire makes it more powerful.
I’ve shot both. Three malfunctions with the PPSh 41 none with the MP-40. MP-40 extremely controllable the PPSh 41 not bad but not as good. I’ll take the MP-40.
Not quite. Both sides valued _any_ submachine gun they could find as they were almost always better than bolt action rifles in the context of the fighting they were involved in. They absolutely did not have the luxury on the Eastern Front to pick between the two (especially the Axis). The PPS43 (PPSH replacement) of course appears to have taken many of the features of the MP40 including the slower rate of fire and folding stock.
MP40. Lighter and more compact, especially with the folding stock. As a soldier you’d spend waaaaaaaaay more time lugging the damn things around than shooting them so as long as the weapon is reliable and able to get the job done I’d go with weight and ergonomics every day of the week. Plus you’d need a second man with a wheelbarrow to carry all the ammunition for the PPSH. 😛
PPSH-41. Battle proven to be much more reliable than MP40. On top of that, with the drum mag it was 71 rounds vs 32 in MP40. No wonder Germans were dropping MP40 for PPSH-41 whenever opportunity came.
I shot the MP40 several times on a military range. Military Jokey target at 340m. 10 trigger pulls, each 2 rounds, prone, every pull one diving jockey. Nothing to complain. The German army had at the beginning a lot of jamming with the MP40, until they did find out, that the problems were the magazines. Which was later solved and it was reliable.
@@andrewforward3812 I do not dispute your personal achievements, but the data of practical shooting are different: PPSH-150 m (from the memories of soldiers even less) MP40-100m, Thompson-50 m.
The MP40 is superior in terms of accuracy but the PPSH-41 is the better of the two in terms of rate of fire, stopping power, magazine capacity and reliability. The 9mm is a more accurate round, but the 7.62x25mm combines velocity of the 9mm with the stopping power of the .45 ACP. Another bonus that PPSH-41 has over the MP40, much like the Thompson for example, is that it can be used as a melee weapon due to it having a solid wooden stock. You can easily beat someone with it because of that. Imagine being in a firefight and suddenly you and your opponent run of ammo. Hitting or striking someone on the head with the PPSH-41 is like getting hit in the head with a baseball bat. The MP40's collapsible stock isn't really well suited for hand to hand combat, all though it still could theoretically speaking. The PPSH-41 is the best out of the two. There's a reason why the PPSH-41 is still remarkably in service in several countries and by many groups and militias world wide to this very day.
The DUX-53 and DUX-59 were submachine guns developed at the Oviedo Arsenal in Spain. They were based directly on the design of the Finnish 9 mm Model 44 submachine gun, which in turn was based on the Soviet PPS-43. Фирмы Аншутц и Маузер жо 1980 года копировали советский пистолет пулемет. тут даже не надо спорить. ППС - лучший в мире.
It is necessary to consider the cost of producing these weapons and the possibility of manufacturing by people who do not have skills. In the conditions of war, this is very important.
Id love either, but i would rather the MP40. Looks better, and more reliable. The whole reason the glorious AK was eventually made is from soviet soldiers complaining about the accuracy, range and reliability of the PPSH.
Interesting. Both are useful military weapons. But by comparison the M1 carbine was much lighter - at a bit over 5 lbs -, fired a significantly more powerful round, was more accurate, and had a much greater effective range than either the MP40 or the PPSH. I believe I'd take the carbine and accept SA over full auto.
@@charles1964That's true, but my opinion it isn't only about energy, i'm talking about penetration standard army cartridges.Tokarev have steel core and that's the reason...
@@6610storm The vast majority of Tokarev cartridges are FMJ, but even with steel cored ammo, the metric for judging stopping power is the same. Terminal Ballistics at Target = Stopping Power; over penetration is just wasted energy...From a 12inch Barrel @100M -> 7.65X25mm =750 Joules; 9X19mm = 660 Joules; 7.62X33 =1310 Joules...The figures show the Tokarev superior to 9X19 Para but Sh1tting on the Carbine's effectiveness is a mistake, go ask Raphael Trujillo or Bugsy Siegel their opinion of the 7.62X33's Stopping Power?
The fire rate on the mp40 is slower because it makes it easier to keep firing at the target while shooting, which is something you can't do with the ppsh unless you're very close to the target, also the mp40 has better range and accuracy, the germans didn't attempt to copy the ppsh, they rechambered it to 9mm since they captured so many of them and germany wasn't making that caliber, the quality of the ppsh is sometimes far too simple, sometimes russian gun makers didn't make parts of the gun the same size as other makers
Прицельная дальность стрельбы у ППШ почти в два раза дальше.Ну и магазин барабанный дает в ближнем бою(особенно в городских условиях) преимущество.И минусов-вес тяжелее и барабанный магазин долго с наряжать.
Not a lot of people talk about how the MP38 was originally a vehicle crew weapon, it's kinda lame for a reason, it shoots slower; saves ammo, has a folding stock with no cheekweld; compact, this is a great gun for vehicle crews, but Germany definitely could've used a better submachine gun for their infantry. Something like the MP28 or MP34 which both could use a bayonet, had fixed stocks and had a faster rpm than the MP40.
I'd have thought the German gun with its folding stock would be superior in suburban room to room combat situations. Lighter, shorter, thus more wieldy. 🙂
These tests are not scientific at all. This video was made strictly for fun. Both of these are great and very fun to shoot. Thank you for watching!
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@@joaopedrobaggio4475 I appreciate the kind words brother!
More of this test please!! So nice!! Thanks!!
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Its funny how people are choosing their gun based on stoping power & fire rate, as if any of these two guns wouldn’t send you 6 feet under before you can blink once. One well placed bullet is all it takes. Remember kids; real life isn’t call of duty.
True
Golden words
Yeah but one does it faster lol
those if I see you first that's your ass. Weapons.
@@Dinguskhan5003 quickest hands in the west
Both are great but I'd take the PPSH-41. More powerful caliber, more robust and super simple. Also a more comfortable stock. Fun fact: Germany actually attempted to copy the PPSH because troops liked it so much
For penetration is PPSH-41, but 9mm have HP, JHP(ammo that makes bigger wound than FMJ without kevlar or any other body armor). I think that MP-40 is compact, FA controlable and lighter. PPSH-41 have high rate of fire and it is chambered in 7,62×25(good for penetration), i think it is more accurate that MP-40(becouse of wobly overlapping stock on MP-40).
ppsh is heavier, some has low quality reputation but the ammo and fire rate packs a punch. Even the drum mag is heavy, ppsh is heavy in general. Mp40 lighter, more accurate but less damage less weight. If I have low ammo and enemy are far away, i use mp40, if u wanna sweep the floor, use ppsh. For me I want ppsh41 with 71 drum mag becuz I'm not sweeping or sniping, I'm having fun but ill also be happy to get mp40 and see how it goes
What was the name of the copy version
@@yenle7296 PPSh-41 is more accrute than MP40 due to longer barrel, higher muzzle speed and small compensator. Morevoer, 7,62×25 round is more powerful than 9×19 on most distances, as its higher velocity overshadows less mass of the bullet. I have TT and CZ-75. TT's stopping power is noticably higher.
@@nuraly78 oh ok thats new but the barrel part make sense. Yeh good but in general if i wanna rock i get ppsh of i wanna chill imma have mp40
Wow these guns are much larger than I thought they are. Video games make them seem so small.
Video games aren’t reality friend.
Especially the mp-40
@@jamesdragonforce yeah no shit
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@@Livelaughandlaughmore ?
82 years passed and these are as lethal as before.
Yes. Because we as a species are very biologicaly similar to the people from that time period 😉😁
That smile at 1:45 says it all
Yep. Such a beautiful gun
In Poland we say
'Nic tak nie cieszy, jak seria z pepeszy'
( Nothing is more enjoyable than burst fire with ppsh )
I’ve fired both and while the MP-40 is one of the smoothest firing guns I’ve shot, it doesn’t have the punch or the rate of fore that the ppsh-41 has. German soldiers used them frequently because of their reliability and rate of fire. They were even rechambered to fire 9mm by the Germans.
Rate of fire is a two-edged sword. Yes, handy in certain situations BUT, not only does it typically result in reduced accuracy, it also increases ammo consumption.
Sam Peckinpah's "Cross of Iron" shows German soldier Steiner (James Coburn) ditching his MP in favour of a PPSH.
@@haroldgodwinson832
did you just point out to us that a faster rate of fire increases ammo consumption?
@@thomass1891 No. I'm trying to point out that high cyclic rate is cool bananas until you're standing there with your dick hanging out, and no frinkin' ammo.
@@haroldgodwinson832 Accuracy doesn't matter in the scenarios these weapons were built for. They were not made for precise single shots over long distances. They were made to quickly cover an area in close combat.
No matter how many times I see an MP40 fire, it always surprises me how manageable it is. I would rather have the PPSH, it's ammo is truly fascinating to me. I own a TTC pistol and it's the most accurate handgun I own. 7.62x25 is capable of approaching 5.56mm carbine terminal effectiveness when fired out of a barrel of at least 16".
@@FirstLast-gv1zlok
Not a lot of people talk about how the MP38 was originally a vehicle crew weapon, it's kinda lame for a reason, it shoots slower; saves ammo, has a folding stock with no cheekweld; compact, this is a great gun for vehicle crews, but Germany definitely could've used a better submachine gun for their infantry. Something for example like the MP28 or MP34 which both could use a bayonet, had fixed stocks and had a faster rpm than the MP40.
bro, "close to 5.56 terminal effectiveness" ? you must be kidding
The 7.62 Tokarev is a reimagined German round.
It was the 7.63x25 Mauser
I am German and I am a Patriot. But I heard that German Eastfront Veterans prefered the PPSH-41.
Its still a great and reliable weapon tho and when it comes to MGs and Tanks I would always choose the german ones but in this particularly case I tend to the Russian Sub Machine Gun, at least in Close Combat.
Ppsh41 was the second most used smg on eastern front by germany. Even converting some to 9mm ppsh41(r).
@@GermanSharp1 I knew they were used a lot but the convertion to 9mm was new to me.
Thanks for this information.
@@GermanSharp1 Actually it was called the MP 717(r)
@@GermanPredatorHawk they also converted some to 7.62x25 the ammo used in c96 mauser pistol
@@inteuz my source says 9mm conversion was ppsh41(r) was
MP40: Check out my fire -rate!
PPSH: Pshh.
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PPSH has an High Fire Rate
Great camera angles. Good job men. Keep up the good work.
Thanks man I appreciate it!
Theres a reason why German troops prefer captured PPSHs over their own MP40s
All soldiers like foreign weapons. Except maybe Japanese weapons, I think they racistly thought they were inferior weapons, the same way we see Chinese weapons today, cheap copycat weapons.
Realmente muchas de las veces no intercambiaban sus mp40 por las ppsh si no que lo hacían con el Kar 98
It's not that they preferred it, it's that they needed every SMG they could get their hands on.
@@martin018esp6 That's right. The PPSh was the main weapon in the SA, while in the Wehrmacht it was the Kar 98. The MP was relatively few in number compared to the PPSh.
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The movie "Stalingrad" a German movie, a German officer tell his soldiers if they find any ppsh 41 take them because they are better than their mp 40.
In this test, despite two guns are being shot by the same shooter, it is not the way to test the accuracy and the penetration power. Guns needs to be fixated on a clamp or something like that. The way he keeps the ppsh is not the same as he keeps the mp. His left hand on mp stands on the magazine, on the ppsh stands very close to the right hand which makes the control harder, So not a true test. My opinion, ppsh wins in every kind of competition vs mp.
A glance of an eye at his face after MP-40 full auto, and after PPSh full auto. Tells everything.
I'm definitely taking the MP40 simply because it shoots 9mm Luger which I could find alot easier.
Tokarev 7.62x25 is easy as well
Ppsh 41 with a 72 round drum magazine.
* 71 rounds *
He didnt use that in the tests becuase the drum mag is shit and would also give the psh numerous advantages
I think that drum mags are not that bad but they are heavy and it takes time to load it. Also, gun can jam more often then with regular box magazine(35 if I remember). They used drums becouse high rate of fire, so gun will easily eat all ammo!
Sadly the drum mags were notorious for malfunction
the ppsh spews out bullets at a much faster rate - about double the mp40 - which is a slight drawback because in a firefight you could quickly burn through a lot of ammo, but in urban and close quarters combat where a split second can determine life or death it has an edge over the mp40 which is probably why many German soldiers preferred it.
I’ve heard that this is a myth created by Stalingrad. The soviets used the ppsh and its fire rate very well there, and the german troops realized they needed to swap their Mauser rifles with smgs to match the soviets there.
But German logistics plus smgs being concentrated in the German officers meant that German troops had to use captured Ppshs to get their needed smgs.
@@generalhorse493True, in the German army the K98’s were issued at a 10+ times rate compared to the mp38/mp40.
1:44 you can see him smiling after the firing :)
I've owned and fired both of these weapons. But my favourite is the PPSH. It would empty out a drum magazine without a single stoppage, but such a high rate of fire you could find yourself out of gas at that critical moment!
Мой лежал 70 лет в земле и стреляет без единой осечки
@@ИванДьяков-х9к ты где его откопал? Если и откопал, то законно держать такое оружие? Нужны на него документы?
Both SMG are awesome but ppsh 41 is my favorite
They don’t speak a word off camera either. Their thoughts and emotions are conveyed through their eyes
I really loved both but PPSh-41 is mostly my favorite
The German in me says MP-40! But my Soviet heart says PPSH-41! I'd love either!
German units usually only had the platoon leader carry an MP-40, while his men carried rifles or the light machine gun.
Soviet units had far more soldiers armed with PPSH-41s because these could be produced quicker and more efficiently than rifles.
The large ammo drums used onthe PPSH-41 weren't very practicable though. Each drum took longer to reload and it was difficult to carry spare drums on you.
I believe they also issued PPSH-41s with 30 round magazines later on for that reason.
And of course the PPS-43 which followed was produced in even larger numbers and looks more 'svelte' as in a 'Russian MP-40.'
My two favourite ww2 smgs and a really good comparison shoot. Unfortunately I have deactivated models only as we are not so lucky in the UK with our constitution as the USA and other countries. Police, armed forces and criminals can have live automatic weapons, not responsible adult enthusiasts. Really good to see how my guns would've fired. Many thanks for this. PS, although a collector of fallschirmjager items, the ppsh41 features on my mannequin as it was a more reliable and hardier combat weapon
England is only a small isla miserabile, lose all industry, london is not England, true country is fish and chips...italy is the 2⁰industry in Europa, supercar,army navy air Force all is made in italy, italy export, UK import because is a country of shit. Death queen, a old racist suck dick s
Thats how gun laws work. They protect criminals.
У нас тоже сложно с оружием для гражданского применения, Автоматическое оружие под запретом, ограничения в емкости магазинов и прочее...Полагаю, у американских граждан нашего оружия на руках больше, чем у самих граждан России)
2 Legends...like the STG44 and the AK47
I saw STG44 review on Brandon's channel.. IMO i wouldn't trust my life to this reliability
Schmeisser versus Shpagin! Let's go!!
By the way, I know that Hugo Schmeisser didn't invent the MP-40. It was developed by Heinrich Vollmer and Berthold Geipel. Schmeisser just owned a factory that made them. Even the MP-40 magazines bare his name as he had a patent for the straight magazine design.
My Opa was in the 8th Panzer Division 43rd Abt Panzerjager. In the 70s I had a book on military small arms. I showed Opa the MP40 and asked him if he carried it. He said no and took the book and flipped through the pages and showed me a Ppsh and pointed at it. Here that’s it. I asked why he carried that one he said. “Because it worked” Then 5 years ago I bought a book about the 8th Panzer Division and in the book was a mannequin dressed in a Panzerjager uniform carrying a Ppsh… I found that interesting
Old guns, buts never gets old.
Ironically, both sides were supposedly envious of each others' smgs.
Soldiers tend to envy foreign weapons
And I thought the first gun rivalry was Vietnam with the AK vs M16
Talks about the curiosity to use another weapon, also it's war they got what they found to fight.
Both have advantages and disadvantages. But the production of PPSh took significantly less labor costs, it was cheaper. And the Soviet army has much more of these submachine guns, than Germans have MP-40, 38. The PPSh is not the only submachine gun in the Soviet (Red) Army. There was also a SudAev submachine gun.
It is better to write in English PPSh. Sh is the initial sound in the surname of the designer ShpAgin. In the Russian language there is a separate letter "Ш". In English, you have to use two letters "Sh".
PPSH any day and twice on Sunday!
Depends for what purpose.To be short for field combat mp40 and PPSH-41 for city/fight.
После отстрела надо отсоединять магазин,и только потом передёрнуть затвор,произвести контрольный спуск-и поставить потом на предохранитель.А вы всё заглядываете через выбрасыватель,а если темно на улице-так же будете делать.
Принцип открытого затвора позволяет проверять наличие патрона в патроннике без снятия магазина.. ( в этом и были плюсы и соответственно минусы системы Шпагина)
Папаша тоже держится за магазин, как и МР-40. Если что, Папаша-это ППШ.
Yeah I would say maybe PPSH
That bottle shoot demonstrates kinetic energy pretty well. Good shooting.
I love both of these guns, but I would personally want a mp40 over the PP
Stalin's Brrrrt machine vs Facist Ratatta
That PP is a Fucking Monster 👹 lol
MP-40 for me. More easily controlled and less weight to deal with.
More recoil and worst accuraci hmm..
And weight its not that much different 34grams+- with normal mags.
I agree
The difference in weight is 0.034 kg. It can't even be called an advantage.
By the way, faster-firing guns have easier recoil control. Just compare how his body jerks (1:24), (1:42).
@@swe1733 "easier recoil control" yeah we all saw how he hit less rounds with the faster firing gun....
@@joe125ful The MP40 has less recoil and better accuracy though
У меня прадед с такой пушкой до Кёнигсберга дошёл, эх отличный аппарат Эхо войны всё же, Мечтаю так же вдоволь и от души пострелять из культового немецкого пистолета пулемёта мп 38-40, такая вещь в хозяйстве пригодиться спасибо за интересное видио
а теперь сам до киева грунтовыми водами дойдёшь?
@@Dreamisover намёк типо под землей лежать и матушка природа тебя сама до Киева до толкает? Просто не особо понял вообще обращение в мой адрес
@@Dreamisover В армию ступай ВСУ тебя не хватает..........................
пригодиться ещье какь
Паш больше ценился, что лепишь, немцы брали его на поле боя, а дед твой mp подобрал?)))
PPSH 41 VERY NİCE!
ППТ-27, ППД-34, ППД-38, ППД-40, ППШ-41, ППС-42, ППС-43.
ППШ по «веселей» конечно 😁
Это точно
If you were a Red Army grunt hauling around an unwieldy Mosin-Nagant with a 5 round mag and a notoriously difficult bolt and someone suddenly handed you a PPSH-41, you'd think a miracle had just occurred.
Главное нет сравнения дальности поражения, у ППШ +1/3
Что означает +1/3 ?
Very nice ...from what I've heard and what you showed . ..PPSH 41 is what I would choose. I'm curious if it has dirt jamming issues like the Mp40 . Thanks for the video
It has even for water or freezing.
Just like when R Lee Ermy compared the Thompson to the MP40... it really comes down to the shooter. Both have their advantages in different areas. MP40's slower rate of fire makes it more accurate. The PPSH's rate of fire makes it more powerful.
I’ve shot both. Three malfunctions with the PPSh 41 none with the MP-40. MP-40 extremely controllable the PPSh 41 not bad but not as good. I’ll take the MP-40.
Наверное, твой ППШ был с большим износом деталей.
@@DmitryiYo да он и копаный отлично стреляет
ppsh is winner
The Germans valued captured PPSH-41 above their own MP40 in WW2 , and i think that says it all
Not quite. Both sides valued _any_ submachine gun they could find as they were almost always better than bolt action rifles in the context of the fighting they were involved in. They absolutely did not have the luxury on the Eastern Front to pick between the two (especially the Axis). The PPS43 (PPSH replacement) of course appears to have taken many of the features of the MP40 including the slower rate of fire and folding stock.
@@R18Y The most important thing of the PPS43 is its excellent characteristics and ease of manufacture.
The battle of Stalingrad
MP40. Lighter and more compact, especially with the folding stock. As a soldier you’d spend waaaaaaaaay more time lugging the damn things around than shooting them so as long as the weapon is reliable and able to get the job done I’d go with weight and ergonomics every day of the week. Plus you’d need a second man with a wheelbarrow to carry all the ammunition for the PPSH. 😛
best response here imo. biggest factor is humping around as a soldier.
1:29 как то быстро патроны закончились, в Голливудских фильмах минут на 15 хватает)))
I love mp40s
@Erik Veron based profile picture!
These are great videos. Thank you!
I'd rather have a Thompson than either of these.
This was really fn cool. Thanks for the vid
It would be a mp40 for me because if the controlability yes even if the ppsh can singlefire
Mp40💪😈🇩🇪
Ppsh-41💪🏻😎🇷🇺⭐💀
A copy from suomi kp31@@specialworld5080
PPSH-41. Battle proven to be much more reliable than MP40. On top of that, with the drum mag it was 71 rounds vs 32 in MP40. No wonder Germans were dropping MP40 for PPSH-41 whenever opportunity came.
it's so chill to watch a video of somebody shooting some guns without commentary
I shot the MP40 several times on a military range. Military Jokey target at 340m. 10 trigger pulls, each 2 rounds, prone, every pull one diving jockey. Nothing to complain. The German army had at the beginning a lot of jamming with the MP40, until they did find out, that the problems were the magazines. Which was later solved and it was reliable.
340 m of mp40? A joke?
@@57protazan39 not at all - you better place yourselfe not 300 in front of a mp40 with trained shooter 😉
@@andrewforward3812 Maybe 300 feet?
@@57protazan39 nope, 300+ m, just come by and we will proof it together, such easy
@@andrewforward3812 I do not dispute your personal achievements, but the data of practical shooting are different: PPSH-150 m (from the memories of soldiers even less) MP40-100m, Thompson-50 m.
The MP40 is superior in terms of accuracy but the PPSH-41 is the better of the two in terms of rate of fire, stopping power, magazine capacity and reliability. The 9mm is a more accurate round, but the 7.62x25mm combines velocity of the 9mm with the stopping power of the .45 ACP. Another bonus that PPSH-41 has over the MP40, much like the Thompson for example, is that it can be used as a melee weapon due to it having a solid wooden stock. You can easily beat someone with it because of that. Imagine being in a firefight and suddenly you and your opponent run of ammo. Hitting or striking someone on the head with the PPSH-41 is like getting hit in the head with a baseball bat. The MP40's collapsible stock isn't really well suited for hand to hand combat, all though it still could theoretically speaking. The PPSH-41 is the best out of the two. There's a reason why the PPSH-41 is still remarkably in service in several countries and by many groups and militias world wide to this very day.
#autismspeaks
@@FerretCuddles Aren’t you a part of that organization?
@@Kerberos-hx7xf, he probably is. He's going around commenting dumb shit on other videos based on his comments history.
The DUX-53 and DUX-59 were submachine guns developed at the Oviedo Arsenal in Spain. They were based directly on the design of the Finnish 9 mm Model 44 submachine gun, which in turn was based on the Soviet PPS-43. Фирмы Аншутц и Маузер жо 1980 года копировали советский пистолет пулемет. тут даже не надо спорить. ППС - лучший в мире.
It is necessary to consider the cost of producing these weapons and the possibility of manufacturing by people who do not have skills. In the conditions of war, this is very important.
На дюймовых сосновых досках пробитие пули проверяют а не на бутылках газировки
Note to self: never hide behind cinderblock walls in a firefight.
This is quite possibly the most based video ever poasted by any channel. Thanks!
I appreciate it man! Thank you!
PPSH-41. More firepower.
Id love either, but i would rather the MP40. Looks better, and more reliable. The whole reason the glorious AK was eventually made is from soviet soldiers complaining about the accuracy, range and reliability of the PPSH.
In every way, the PPSH41 is a much better construction and more resistant than the MP40
You gotta get your hands on some old Zastava rifles if you haven’t already :)
Interesting. Both are useful military weapons. But by comparison the M1 carbine was much lighter - at a bit over 5 lbs -, fired a significantly more powerful round, was more accurate, and had a much greater effective range than either the MP40 or the PPSH. I believe I'd take the carbine and accept SA over full auto.
There's a reason the Carbine was the most recaptured weapon on the Western Front
Always liked the carbine.
@@6610storm
7.65X25mm Tokarev = 85g FMJ @1630ft/s and 514ft/lbs (VERSUS) 7.62X33 .30 Carbine = 110g FMJ @1990ft/s and 967ft/lbs...There's for your Bullsh1t...
@@charles1964That's true, but my opinion it isn't only about energy, i'm talking about penetration standard army cartridges.Tokarev have steel core and that's the reason...
@@6610storm
The vast majority of Tokarev cartridges are FMJ, but even with steel cored ammo, the metric for judging stopping power is the same. Terminal Ballistics at Target = Stopping Power; over penetration is just wasted energy...From a 12inch Barrel @100M -> 7.65X25mm =750 Joules; 9X19mm = 660 Joules; 7.62X33 =1310 Joules...The figures show the Tokarev superior to 9X19 Para but Sh1tting on the Carbine's effectiveness is a mistake, go ask Raphael Trujillo or Bugsy Siegel their opinion of the 7.62X33's Stopping Power?
Very nice test...two off THE best maskinpistols on wwll........
Two great weapons
Greetings from Chile 🇨🇱
Greetings!
1:24 dang i though call of duty world at war got the firing sound effect wrong but it’s pretty spot on
Отличный обзор! Наглядно и лаконично! Thanks! Good luck!!!
PPS, or Sudaev Automatic Semi Machine Gun is the best weapon of its kind in WW2 because it as as good as PPSh, and suuuuper cheap in production.
The fire rate on the mp40 is slower because it makes it easier to keep firing at the target while shooting, which is something you can't do with the ppsh unless you're very close to the target, also the mp40 has better range and accuracy, the germans didn't attempt to copy the ppsh, they rechambered it to 9mm since they captured so many of them and germany wasn't making that caliber, the quality of the ppsh is sometimes far too simple, sometimes russian gun makers didn't make parts of the gun the same size as other makers
Ppsh-41💪
Fun fact: during ww2 a lot ppsh 41s were captured by the Germans and were put into German service.
Excellent video!!
If I could own One single firearm, any one I wanted, it would be an MP-40. Just breaths cool. Question-why the skips in the PPSH FA footage? Jams?
I think PPSH wins. If only they had been made to better spec.
Прицельная дальность стрельбы у ППШ почти в два раза дальше.Ну и магазин барабанный дает в ближнем бою(особенно в городских условиях) преимущество.И минусов-вес тяжелее и барабанный магазин долго с наряжать.
I pick mp 40
I will say mp40 in my opinion
Sorry, couldn't hear you over my fire drowning PPSH.
Which would of these would I want in combat? The PPSH-41; the capacity of the drum magazine alone makes all the difference in the world.
Not a lot of people talk about how the MP38 was originally a vehicle crew weapon, it's kinda lame for a reason, it shoots slower; saves ammo, has a folding stock with no cheekweld; compact, this is a great gun for vehicle crews, but Germany definitely could've used a better submachine gun for their infantry. Something like the MP28 or MP34 which both could use a bayonet, had fixed stocks and had a faster rpm than the MP40.
Most important about PPSH is that at the end of the war there was 6.000.000 PPSH and only 1.200.000 MP38/40.
Recently saw a pic of a U.S. soldier in Iraq clearing a building with a PPsh with drum mag!
ППШ вообще убойная машина, немцы предпочитали его своим МП.Даже переделывали советские под свой патрон, МП 44 вроде называли.
I'd have thought the German gun with its folding stock would be superior in suburban room to room combat situations.
Lighter, shorter, thus more wieldy. 🙂
MP 40 slightly edged it. Your a great shot mate. 👍
THE SCHMEISSER WINS!
PPSh41 is a heavy clunker crudely made!