I love how cliffe let's her know that not only is homosexuality wrong in the Bible but also sex outside of marriage, and adultery is too, but for some reason, people love to highlight homosexuality She's doing a whole lot of you said this and you said that which he never even said. Lol
@@logann9779you obviously didn't listen to a single second of this video, you simply want to play a victim when you aren't one. Homosexuality and adultery are both sexual sins, and they are equal.
@@logann9779 Adultery effects the partner or the family most times, who do you think homosexuality effects? The exact same group of People. Yes all sins weigh the same for the most part in the Bible, whats your point?
I think she actually thinks God might exist by the way she talked, someone else would've stopped debating and left the conversation once he/she was out of arguments
I'm amazed that I read your comment without the F word. I didn't see it until I read the comments. Holy spirit protects us on so many levels. Just as this woman is blind to the truth.
1:23 - Cliffe just answered her question. She wanted him to say that he hated gays, but he publicly confirmed that he doesn't hate gays and views then as human equals. Not good enough for her! She wants him to say something hateful.
She tried to get Cliffe in a gotcha moment...a baiter. No respect for that kind of nonsense. Not interested in learning or even actual discourse. This click bait and tik tok generation ....smh. She needs a little maturity and to grow up a bit. She kind of sounds like a religious bigot...Christian phobic.
If you're a Christian you should read this….. JESUS SAID: "if the world hates you, remember, it hated me first".😢 Jesus warned us about religion. Religious zealots attacked him constantly. The word "homosexual"was not even put into the Bible until 1946! And then biblical scholars, upon realizing that they were wrong in their translation, turned it back to "sexual perverts" in 1971. Unfortunately many Bibles were out for 25 years already printed with the mistaken word Homosexual. Now, with anything, context is crucial. A text without a context is a con. In certain passages when they refer to man leaving women to have sex with men, they are referring to heterosexuals not homosexuals. Homosexuals have no attraction to women. There was no concept of homosexuality back then. Men who were not attracted to women were considered eunuchs. These were heterosexual men looking for sexual gratification in other places. There was no love involved here, only lustful sexual desire. Using these passages to condemn loving, committed, monogamous same-sex relationships is wrong. The apostle Paul taught that the church at Berea was “more noble” than other churches because they didn’t blindly believe what he taught, but instead studied the scriptures for an answer. Would you be willing to do what the church at Berea did, and reexamine what is, or may not be, in scripture? Remember- when looking at scripture there are all sorts of things to consider, such as historical context, the original language, etc. The church needs to keep up. Recent research from biblical scholars are proving the text has been mistranslated. So many lives have been destroyed sentencing homosexuals to a life of loneliness and despair, or living a life of Lies. More and more Christians are discovering they have been lied to in the translations regarding homosexuality. Man interpreted God's word and Infused homophobic translations. Search for yourself God's original text and you also will find the truth. Recently there has been discoveries of misinterpretations in the passages on homosexuality. And the wrong, misinterpreted, hateful messages that are being sent out is doing a lot of damage, including young LGBT children committing suicide. The blood of these children will be on their hands. "I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever-the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you." -John 14:16-17 NKJV Groundbreaking research by biblical Scholars at the Catholic Wijngaards Institute, just released their data in May of 2021. www.wijngaardsinstitute.com/research-report-christian-objections-same-sex-unions/ Along with the Pope,Cardinals, Bishops, and Other Catholic Church Leaders Who Have Made Positive Statements about Civil Unions, Same-Gender Relationships, and Marriage Equality www.newwaysministry.org/issues/marriage-equality/church-leaders-support/ Everyone should hear this! What's morally wrong with homosexuality? m.ruclips.net/video/5iXA_0MED98/видео.html
TRUTH We've misinterpreted the context of biblical passages in the past. Passages of the Bible were used to condone slavery, elevating men over women, and anti-semitism. The history of Christianity and large elements of the Hebrew Scriptures evince beliefs in a God who seem to bless a great many things we would deem today as sinful. Incest, polygamy, genocide, slavery, just to name a few. And divorce, which was considered to be a sin back then, is not today. Extensive research has shown us we have yet got it wrong again. The context of homosexuality in the Bible has to do with lust, not love. For instance, in the passage where it states, "a man should not lie with another man", we go back and look at the translation. The precise Hebrew words in Leviticus 20:13 actually states that the text prohibits a "sexual" relationship between a “man” (ish in Hebrew) and a male (zachar in Hebrew), not between an “ish” and another “ish".In ancient Greek culture, in that world, there was a popular and common social custom of men of a certain class socializing with younger males - in a context where mentoring, socializing, partying, and sexual activities would or could occur between the two groups.
@@Marcus12813 I don't understand what you're saying. The Bible sure condemns that. And let's even pretend the Bible doesn't, does that makes it moral??😕
i remember what alot of ex lgbtq people told me on the topic of homosexuality (and im generalizing a bit since i cant specifically quote them all) but they all said "just because a desire is natural, does not mean it is good."
The purpose of sex is getting to give yourself totally in the most sacred, holy, and fruitful way to somebody you love and work on loving more everyday, in order to grow up spiritually with this person and build a home and a family in the safest, most balanced and trustful human environment possible. Period.
NLT James 1:2-3 Dear brothers and sisters, when troubles come your way, consider it an opportunity for great joy. For you know that when your faith is tested, your endurance has a chance to grow. It may take years, but we can pray that this woman’s heart may yet become open to the gift of salvation.
@@carlnikolov Of course that's called discussion. But she was only trying to paint Cliff into a corner and he was wise not to let her do it. Christophobes and atheists often misunderstand the Bible and what Christians actually say. Christians are called upon to rebuke all sins. Not to rebuke people. For Christophobes and atheists to try to get Christians to turn against their faith is a terrible and IMO a Satanic led ideal.
You don't need to be religious to know something is abnormal. A young child knows it. Only a male a female can produce offspring. They also create the most ideal conditions to raise a child.
Not even true? Long-term studies suggest the parenting outcomes are negligible for or even partial to gay couples (not solely because they are gay, but because of the healthy social environment necessary for gay adoption to be accepted by a community). This is absolutely a religious issue - if these people hadn't been demonized and outcast over lazy, intuition-based justifications, there wouldn't be as much of a problem.
This is typical of many gen-z today. They do not understand the rules of debate. He speaks, she listens, then she speaks and he responds. All she does is interrupt Cliffe when he tries to make his points. And the audience is correct. She does not listen well.
It’s more like homosexuals hates christianity. I am homosexual myself and a catholic. No matter how much the priest say’s that God’s love is un conditional, I still know to myself for a fact that A man is for a women and woman is for a man. I am aware that what I am aware that what I am doing is a sin, like cliffe said before God give us free will. I am not really proud about it but right now I am happy with who I am with. I still beleive in him though and I try to be a good human being. I have faith in God and I beleive that he exist.
But it does not sound right though?.If someone really loves God he/she must follow what God has written in His word, that's what the Bible says. Am I right?
He says god created marriage but marriage has been estimated to be created in 2350 B.C. in Mesopotamia. So the real question now is why would god care who humans decide to stay with for life with this human made ritual as long as they are not doing anything morally wrong. And in the end, even if for some reason god does for some reason care who we marry, if we ask for forgiveness, doesn’t it not matter anyways and therefore we can marry and be with whoever we want till then
It’s crazy, this should’ve been stopped then, now this confusion has massively poisoned our society and is getting out of hands. We can just see decades after decades every depravation giving birth to another from the sexual revolution to divorce to feminism to extravagant pride parades to transgenderism. Now they are out there trying so hard to indoctrinate and sexualize children to make space for pedophilia (or MAP) so that it can be allowed and celebrated. Christ is truly the only way of salvation to our sickness.🙏🏽
TRUTH We've misinterpreted the context of biblical passages in the past. Passages of the Bible were used to condone slavery, elevating men over women, and anti-semitism. The history of Christianity and large elements of the Hebrew Scriptures evince beliefs in a God who seem to bless a great many things we would deem today as sinful. Incest, polygamy, genocide, slavery, just to name a few. And divorce, which was considered to be a sin back then, is not today. Extensive research has shown us we have yet got it wrong again. The context of homosexuality in the Bible has to do with lust, not love. For instance, in the passage where it states, "a man should not lie with another man", we go back and look at the translation. The precise Hebrew words in Leviticus 20:13 actually states that the text prohibits a "sexual" relationship between a “man” (ish in Hebrew) and a male (zachar in Hebrew), not between an “ish” and another “ish".In ancient Greek culture, in that world, there was a popular and common social custom of men of a certain class socializing with younger males - in a context where mentoring, socializing, partying, and sexual activities would or could occur between the two groups.
It is clear that homosexuality is not accepted from God and there is no excuse. LIKE THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS: HOMOSEXUAL SEX IS A DEGRADING AND VILE PASSION AND WHEN A MAN IS DOING SEX WITH ANOTHER MAN IT IS AN UNNATURAL FUNCTION AND THEY ARE COMMITTING SHAMEFUL ACTS.... EVEN IF SOMEONE SAY THAT A MAN HAVE TRUE LOVE FOR ANOTHER MAN OR HE WILL BE MARRY HIM IT DOESN'T CHANGE THAT THE ACT IS SHAMEFUL AND THEY ARE DOING AN UNNATURAL FUNCTION. THERE IS NO EXCUSE.. For this reason God gave them over to DEGRADING AND VILE PASSIONS; for their women exchanged the NATURAL FUNCTION FOR THAT WHICH IS UNNATURAL [a function contrary to nature], and in the same way also the men turned away from the natural function of the woman and were consumed with their desire toward one another, men with men COMMITTING SHAMEFUL ACTS and in return receiving in their own bodies the inevitable and appropriate penalty for their wrongdoing. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or consider Him worth knowing [as their Creator], God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do things which are improper and repulsive, Romans 1:26-28 When in Leviticus it says that no man or woman will have sex with a beast because it is an abomination, THERE IS NO EXCUSE. IT IS CLEAR...NO EXCEPTION.OOHH IT IS OK IF YOU LOVE YOUR ANIMAL, YOU CAN HAVE SEX BECAUSE IT IS NOT LUST....NO IT IS NO OK.... You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination. [I Cor. 6:9, 10.] Neither shall you lie with any beast and defile yourself with it; neither shall any woman yield herself to a beast to lie with it; it is confusion, perversion, and degradedly carnal. Leviticus 18:22-23 SO WHEN IT SAY IN LEVITICUS : YOU SHALL NOT LIE WITH A MAN AS WITH A WOMAN BECAUSE IT IS AN ABOMINATION...THERE IS NO EXCEPTION....NOT BY LOVE.. SOME PEOPLE TRY TO CHANGE THE WORD OF GOD FOR THEIR OWN PLEASURE BUT GOD CANNOT BE TRICK. You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination
That doesn’t change the fact that the passage condemns sexual relationships between men and other males. Also, you have other verses in places like Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6, 1 Timothy, Jude, and back in Genesis with Sodom and Gomorrah
It mind boggles me, this girl needs a reality check, no human being can save themselves, such ignorance and naiveness. God bless and guide her, because she needs real guidance.
Ppl need to realize that calling out a sin is different from dehumanizing someone...me as a straight guy my sexual sin is no different from a gay/lesbians whatever lets get that real clear..sin is sin thats all kliff is saying.
Ofcourse, homosexuality is a choice and free will must be respected. That doesn't mean we will stop preaching and warning you about that sinful lifestyle.
@@Essencealex17 i hear you, that's what you wrestle with everyday just like i wrestle with drugs and heterosexual lust on a daily basis. I think as long as we know we are in sin and strive to overcome it instead of indulging in it then God will help us through it.
the question everyone should be asking is what is his purpose for being on campus.....i would say he is proselytizing. he is not there to debate he is there to convert people
This woman never shuts up to listen. She just wants to indict religion for all its alleged faults. Homosexuality as a sexual identity in itself is not a sin. It is the act of fornicating that is condemned by the God of the Bible. Same with Judaism and Islam.
4:45 THIS IS THE MAIN POINT; If your standard is that people should follow their motivations (i.e. desires), then you really open up society to a whole cornucopia of sin which only ends up in sorrow. He says (listen) " ..my sex drive motivates me to have sex with as many good-looking women as I possibly can...". He should have asked her, "do you think men having sex with many women and never seeking a wife is something we should promote?" The next Jeffrey Dahmer is in the audience, and you're going to tell him to follow his motivations?
7:50 isn't it eigthfold tho 😂😂🤣 even siddhartha gautama himself told people that his works and way of thinking should not be a religion. It's just a guide, not a religion but his servants made it into a religion after he died😅
I suppose the difference would be that divorce is a one time sin as opposed to being a sinful lifestyle. a better example would be comparing an alcoholic to a homosexuality individual
Why would homosexuals want to get married which is a holy matrimony? Why not invent your own ceremony and call it something esle? No ofcourse not, you want take something holy and perverse it like the disgusting lifestyle you choose to live.
I’d think that we all live a sinful lifestyle, whether it be adultery, or saying the lord’s name in vain, or having murder in our heart even for the people that we believe deserve it the most, or lying, or jealousy of our neighbor, we will always sin since the only one who’s never sinned was Jesus Christ. The thing about these things we are not our sins, we are not murderers or idolaters or adulterers even homosexuals as well. It is despite the things about us we will still be saved as long as we put faith into Jesus Christ, that he did die for our sins, and he is the son and there is the father and the holy spirit, and that we admit that we are sinners so we stay humble. I think that even a person who lives a homosexual lifestyle should still put faith into Jesus Christ and pray to him even if he or she continues to sin but also admits that they are a sinner like all of us ought to.
@@greasyham_sandwich3707 well no, it’s not just a one-time sin because a remarried divorcee is constantly living in the sin of adultery with their new spouse.
@@notoriousriot250 so 1) would you then agree that a church should be willing to accept an openly practicing gay person as a congregant just as much as a remarried divorcee? And 2) should remarried divorcees be compelled to acknowledged that they’re living in sin *by virtue of their subsequent and illegitimate marriage*?
I’d say slavery is clearly in the Bible. There were laws given on how you should govern your slaves. The Bible also says if a man lays with another man it is an abomination. Not every sin can say it was called an abomination by the “SoG”
Every sin is an abomination but the Bible doesn't say to hate people who sin. As a matter of fact, it says the direct opposite. Mind quoting the slavery scripture?
Jews were practicing a form of slavery back then, not Jesus. No where in the Bible does it condone it, it just talks about it since it was the reality at that time. Learn how to read in context, i'm sure you aren't a child anymore.
@@emerealm3779there were laws in the old testament in if they were to own slaves, the main thing though was to treat them as neighbors and to release them after a certain amount of time, this was more like indentured servitude though, Jesus Christ paid for our sins though and this is now not practiced. Adultery is an abomination just as every other sin and can be a sin even if its in our minds, but the main take away should be that it should humble us not condemn us because Jesus Christ will save all that have faith in him and admit that we are all not without sin and admit that he is the one true God and the Son who died for our sins. God’s love, mercy and Grace is give. to us DESPITE our sins, none of us deserve it but through faith we can still be saved.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Funny that a god could be so serious about seafood and clothes, yet say nothing about slavery in his 10 rules. Such utter bollocks. Sex is to reproduce, its our animal instinct, just as this guy actually said, his drive makes him want to have sex with many people, animal instinct to carry on our genes.. The physical pleasure is just a bonus. Plus of course, people need to be aware of the serious repercussions that may occur after sex, ie...children.
@@scottgodlewski306 "screw you God, I'll do it my way" Fine, you have free will and if your desire is to be separate from God then he will grant you that wish when your physical body ceases to exist.
@@JohnjOcampo Lots of suspect stuff here. So is that the only “wish” God is guaranteed to grant? He won’t grant the wishes of parents sitting next to the beds of their dying children in hospitals across the world, but if I don’t believe then he’s like, “hey, you didn’t want to be with me so I’ll make that happen”? Also, I don’t know how many non-believers you’ve spoken to, but the number of people who “desire to be separate from God”, meaning they are convinced of his existence but actively reject him for some reason, is a statistical zero and maybe even a literal zero. This is the great lie believers tell themselves about non-believers. That we know God exists but we just want to sin or some other nonsense. The vast majority of non-believers are non simply because they are not convinced by the God proposition. Also also, the “they want to be their own god” is a cringey and ridiculous statement. God ahead and add that to the list of statements believers should stop using on account of it making the speaker sound laughably self-righteous and infantile. Also also also, if your belief that God thinks same sex relationships are bad and that leads you to vote in a way that would deny those folks the same rights you enjoy, then your religion is making you a hypocritical monster and you should seriously think about what kind of person you want to be.
@@scottgodlewski306 I've never voted to make homosexuality illegal, don't put words in people's mouth it makes you look like a coward. Even though i wouldn't vote to make homosexuality illegal doesn't mean i can't voice my opinion about the disgusting lifestyle certain individuals choose. It's crazy how death is written all over the very same lifestyle Jesus warned us about, they lead both in deadly and non-deadly diseases, they have the highest suicide rate of any minority in the world.
She chooses to follow sin then accused Christians of not loving sin. SIN IS NOT A PERSON, is a will to follow the devil so can you expect Christian to support Satan. This is madness.
I do not agree with him either, but what she is failing to realize is that she needs to just accept that’s HIS belief, he isn’t going to change it and doesn’t have enough hard evidence that involves god, so he’s just going to keep on saying “BC got didn’t want it”
Yeah, obviously you’ve never listened to anything he has ever said. Try talking to anyone who is LGBT and against Christianity and just use the Bible as a fact. No matter what he says, y’all are never happy with an answer because the truth is that you don’t get to give into your desires no matter how he words it
Exactly! You cannot force people to follow and obey your beliefs, beliefs, beliefs, beliefs. They are not facts. This man has never spoken to God or Jesus, he is going by what men told him. You are free to believe whatever you want, you can impose that on yourself, but you have to draw the line on imposing it on other people. There are many different religions, and some with no religion. Your religion does not rule all others. And also the bottom line is, homosexuals hurt no one! For two people to fall in love and want to take care of each other for the rest of their lives, and perhaps adopt children from an orphanage that have no parents and create a family, is not evil, is not wrong, and is not a sin. It is actually beneficial to society. Do you not believe that it’s a possibility God made a small percentage of the population homosexual to take care of the children that have been abandoned?? Nothing in the Bible condemns loving committed monogamous same-sex relationships. It all has to do with men having sex with boys, Pederasty, and pagan ritual orgies.
The younger person is passionate, but not sufficiently versed in the man’s worldview to have this debate on his terms. However, I just can’t justify this man’s bigoted (“narrow”) worldview about gays, which utilizes the Bible to justify gays’ exclusion from basic human social institutions (i.e., marriage); moreover, the implication is that gays should be lonely, and should not have companionship and families. That just seems so wrong to me; why can’t some Christians establish truth claims that are more inclusive and not so bigoted?
@@heftymagic4814 Just because you disagree with what I said does not justify your unfounded presumption that I did not watch the video. In fact, I did watch it. Hopefully, your eyes will be opened to make you a better witness of God’s grace.
What I don't understand is why then do gay folk WANT and feel its a RIGHT to be married???!!! Because marriage the concept comes from the bible. It doesn't matter what you are, you can't choose some bits of the bible and drop other bits just because yiu don't like it. It's trying to make a hybrid of the bible to suit! Marriage is a construct that you don't need to embrace. What pisses,me off immensely is that sooooooooo many people cause blasphemy of the bible but there would be an utter uprising if people tried to do this with another religion!!!! Just thi about that.
@@rickvaiBBB Bully - to treat (someone) in a cruel, insulting, threatening, or aggressive fashion (from Merriam-Webster). Yeah. clearly this guy was calling her names, threatening her, and being cruel (please dont make me define cruel).
She won? Lol, you can tell you're ignorant. It's a dialog where you can have a discussion. She's doing a lot of crying and complaining instead of trying to understand what he is saying. But hey, if you consider acting like a child is winning, go ahead and take that W, lol
Thou shall not lay with a boy, it refers to pedophilia I was told that by a pastor, and this isn’t a argumentative standpoint I wanna know. If I was created as a man, why do I have zero sex drive near women and no interest in relationships with them. Then the very second I’m with a man I immediately feel attracted to a man more than a woman? That my question now a quick background of me, I’m Christian and I am trans sexual I identify as female. At any rate I do like the videos.
@@swuavewrap8642 then why in the Bible is there nothing about homosexuality besides the short stories that are shown in church or the children version of the Bible? If it was unnatural than anyone wouldn’t have that attraction ever to someone of the same sex or at least at the scale of which we have as we have people who are attracted to both sex’s if it was truely unnatural, why is it we have so many more people whom are say bisexual and or pansexual say numbering in the rough 70ish percent of America either like same sex or it doesn’t matter to them that’s a pretty huge margin especially as some even go to church or are a pastor. Now me for instance I’m a firm follower of the statement “love thou neighbor” and “only god shall judge me” which Segway’s to a question I have always asked but never got a straight direct answer since it’s said in the Bible that “we shall not judge our neighbor before our lord Jesus Christ” why is it that we have so many Christians that are so quick to judge one another aren’t they technically going against the lord’s word and judgement? I believe if homosexuality was exactly 100% wrong or unnatural everyone would have the same lust for the opposite sex and as I stated or possibly missed some details however I have went to church every Sunday and sometimes Wednesday read the Bible front to back asked questions to my pastor and many other pastors when they didn’t have an answer and yet I still only ever liked men even after trying to make myself be with the opposite sex and I just couldn’t every “straight” relationship didn’t last very long about two months max, and I feel god has a plan for me the way he made me and I’ll keep asking till I meet my answer on that part.
@@elohel3293 I’ll have to find it again but it’s in both the children’s Bible I had from ‘01 and the and the a Bible I had since ‘18 can’t say from ‘18 - ‘21 year and in my grandparents book from 1979 it says it, I’m confident you can find it in the online version, however I don’t trust the online version as people can change it cause it isn’t a secured page.
TRUTH We've misinterpreted the context of biblical passages in the past. Passages of the Bible were used to condone slavery, elevating men over women, and anti-semitism. The history of Christianity and large elements of the Hebrew Scriptures evince beliefs in a God who seem to bless a great many things we would deem today as sinful. Incest, polygamy, genocide, slavery, just to name a few. And divorce, which was considered to be a sin back then, is not today. Extensive research has shown us we have yet got it wrong again. The context of homosexuality in the Bible has to do with lust, not love. For instance, in the passage where it states, "a man should not lie with another man", we go back and look at the translation. The precise Hebrew words in Leviticus 20:13 actually states that the text prohibits a "sexual" relationship between a “man” (ish in Hebrew) and a male (zachar in Hebrew), not between an “ish” and another “ish".In ancient Greek culture, in that world, there was a popular and common social custom of men of a certain class socializing with younger males - in a context where mentoring, socializing, partying, and sexual activities would or could occur between the two groups. These specific words - “men” and “males” - were used precisely in descriptions of the Greek custom back then because, at that time, only men who were of adult age and of sufficient substance to own land, vote, and marry, could legally be called “men.” Those who were too young to vote, own land, or marry could only be referred to as “males” under Greek law. So since man>male is a specific term referring to Greek pederasty, then its use in Leviticus 20:13 would make that verse a prohibition of that practice, and not of homosexuality in general. That would also mean that there is no such condemnation anywhere else in the Torah (Leviticus 18:22 also uses the word zachar, rather than ish). Similarly, if the verse was meant to refer to adult homosexual behavior, the style of usage in both Leviticus 20 and the earlier Leviticus 18 would require that ish>ish be used, not ish>zachar. The fact that “isha” (woman) is used in both Leviticus verses adds to this. “An ish should not lie with a zachar as he would with an isha” makes less contextual sense than “an ish should not lie with an ish as he would with an isha". Since in its Greek meaning that “man>male” signifies a pederastic relationship, and it is this that the Leviticus verses outlaw. When it was translated into Hebrew, they wrongly changed God"s word to man and man, since they had no pederasty custom. jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/redefining-leviticus-2013/ We also have the romantic relationship between Jonathan and David. One relevant Bible passage on this issue is 1 Samuel 18:1: And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. (KJV)[20] Another relevant passage is 2 Samuel 1:26, where David says: I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women. (KJV)[21] (Why a woman? Because women are the only love we have that involves sex). The story of Ruth and Naomi in the Book of Ruth is also occasionally interpreted by contemporary scholars as the story of a lesbian couple. Here is a brilliant BISHOP and biblical scholar, who spent a long time researching homosexual passages in the Bible. He has been on many TV programs, including many on ultra-conservative Bill O'Reilly's show. He gives many sound reasons why we got it wrong in the interpretation. He also found slavery, the elevation of men over women, and antisemitism to be misinterpreted. ruclips.net/video/xHLUafn5s7M/видео.html And not only this Bishop, a Biblical scholar, but the Pope has come out in support of the LGBT community as well. Telling Christians they need to ask the LGBT community for forgiveness and apologize. He also said that they need to be integrated into society. I have taken the time to pray and research on homosexuality, and abortion, to make sure I get it right. I am not trusting my eternal soul to someone else's interpretations. That is the lazy way to be a Christian. These decisions will impact other people's lives tremendously. They should not be taken lightly. But unfortunately, if there is no close relationships with an LGBT person, people find it hard to find love in their hearts to make sure they get it right. The Holy Spirit has spoken to me about this and has brought to me this research and helped me understand it. I have prayed many times to make sure that if I got it wrong to please tell me, but I have always gotten reassurance in return. Basically the Holy Spirit says that when you look Through The Eyes Of Love you can't get it wrong. So here's where he has led me on other scripture as well. Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 sound very convincing in including lesbians and gay men in the most dreadful lists of depraved human behavior imaginable. The fact is that the word translated “homosexual” does not mean “homosexual” and the word translated “effeminate” does not mean "effeminate!” The English word “homosexual” is a composite word made from a Greek term (homo, “the same”) and a Latin term (sexualis, “sex”). The term “homosexual” is of modern origin and was not used until about 100 years ago. There is no word in biblical Greek or Hebrew that is parallel to the word “homosexual.” No Bible before the Revised Standard Version in 1946 used “homosexual” in any Bible translation. The word translated as “homosexual” or “sexual pervert” or some other similar term is Greek ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoites, which was formed from two words meaning “male” and “bed.” This word is not found anywhere else in the Bible and has not been found anywhere in the contemporary Greek of Paul’s time. We do not know what it means. It probably refers to male prostitutes with female customers, which was a common practice in the Roman world, as revealed in the excavations at Pompeii and other sites. When early Greek-speaking Christian preachers condemned homosexuality, they did not use this word. John Chrysostom (A.D. 345-407) preached in Greek against homosexuality, but he never used this word for homosexuals, and when he preached on 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, he did not mention homosexuals. ruclips.net/video/LZr_LBVoASE/видео.html Also, “Soft” does not mean “effeminate.” The word translated “effeminate” in 1 Corinthians 6:9 is Greek μαλακός malakos and means “soft” or “vulnerable.” The word is translated as “soft” in reference to clothing in Matthew 11:8 and Luke 7:25 and as “illness” in Matthew 4:23 and 9:35. It is not used anywhere else in the New Testament and carries no hint of reference to sexual orientation. Malakia (μαλακία) in 1 Corinthians 6:9 probably refers those who are “soft,” “pliable,” “unreliable,” or “without courage or stability.” The translation of malakos as “effeminate” is incorrect, ignorant, degrading to women, and impossible to justify based on ancient usage compared to the meaning of “effeminate” today. The Bible was first written in the ancient languages of Hebrew and Greek and … not translated into English until 1611. It had been translated into Latin, French, and German prior to being translated into English. None of these translations ever mentioned homosexuality as an interpretation of these Greek words. Words from a Pastor of 27 years........ m.ruclips.net/video/cgXwKVYBgSI/видео.html In 2008, 34.4 percent of evangelicals between the ages of eighteen and thirty-five supported same-sex marriage. In 2018, that figure had risen to 56.1 percent.
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I love how cliffe let's her know that not only is homosexuality wrong in the Bible but also sex outside of marriage, and adultery is too, but for some reason, people love to highlight homosexuality
She's doing a whole lot of you said this and you said that which he never even said. Lol
i think its silly to compare adultery to someones sexual preference. no hate like christian love
@@logann9779you obviously didn't listen to a single second of this video, you simply want to play a victim when you aren't one. Homosexuality and adultery are both sexual sins, and they are equal.
@@Chicago_grim_reaper they are not equal in terms of how they affect those around you, they are only equal to you cus ur book says so
@@logann9779 Adultery effects the partner or the family most times, who do you think homosexuality effects? The exact same group of People. Yes all sins weigh the same for the most part in the Bible, whats your point?
@@Chicago_grim_reaper how does homosexuality affect your family at all?
Shes 100% picking a fight just because she loves her own fucking voice
Bro, language
I think she actually thinks God might exist by the way she talked, someone else would've stopped debating and left the conversation once he/she was out of arguments
She is deaf to the truth as well as blinded. Satan is smiling. She is going to have a rude awakening at the judgment.
The F word does not belong on this channel
I'm amazed that I read your comment without the F word. I didn't see it until I read the comments. Holy spirit protects us on so many levels. Just as this woman is blind to the truth.
1:23 - Cliffe just answered her question. She wanted him to say that he hated gays, but he publicly confirmed that he doesn't hate gays and views then as human equals. Not good enough for her! She wants him to say something hateful.
Yes he doesn't hate gay people he just thinks they should burn in hell l for all eternity .......he's a homophobic Clown no doubt about it !
I saw that too
She tried to get Cliffe in a gotcha moment...a baiter. No respect for that kind of nonsense. Not interested in learning or even actual discourse. This click bait and tik tok generation ....smh. She needs a little maturity and to grow up a bit. She kind of sounds like a religious bigot...Christian phobic.
This girl is a good example of...
PROFESSING THEMSELVES TO BE WISE, THEY BECAME FOOLS😂
This man speaks the truth! May The Most High Jesus Christ continue to bless you sir 🕊️
If you're a Christian you should read this…..
JESUS SAID: "if the world hates you, remember, it hated me first".😢
Jesus warned us about religion. Religious zealots attacked him constantly. The word "homosexual"was not even put into the Bible until 1946! And then biblical scholars, upon realizing that they were wrong in their translation, turned it back to "sexual perverts" in 1971. Unfortunately many Bibles were out for 25 years already printed with the mistaken word Homosexual.
Now, with anything, context is crucial. A text without a context is a con.
In certain passages when they refer to man leaving women to have sex with men, they are referring to heterosexuals not homosexuals. Homosexuals have no attraction to women. There was no concept of homosexuality back then. Men who were not attracted to women were considered eunuchs.
These were heterosexual men looking for sexual gratification in other places. There was no love involved here, only lustful sexual desire.
Using these passages to condemn loving, committed, monogamous same-sex relationships is wrong.
The apostle Paul taught that the church at Berea was “more noble” than other churches because they didn’t blindly believe what he taught, but instead studied the scriptures for an answer. Would you be willing to do what the church at Berea did, and reexamine what is, or may not be, in scripture? Remember- when looking at scripture there are all sorts of things to consider, such as historical context, the original language, etc.
The church needs to keep up. Recent research from biblical scholars are proving the text has been mistranslated.
So many lives have been destroyed sentencing homosexuals to a life of loneliness and despair, or living a life of Lies.
More and more Christians are discovering they have been lied to in the translations regarding homosexuality. Man interpreted God's word and Infused homophobic translations. Search for yourself God's original text and you also will find the truth.
Recently there has been discoveries of misinterpretations in the passages on homosexuality.
And the wrong, misinterpreted, hateful messages that are being sent out is doing a lot of damage, including young LGBT children committing suicide. The blood of these children will be on their hands.
"I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever-the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you."
-John 14:16-17 NKJV
Groundbreaking research by biblical Scholars at the Catholic Wijngaards Institute, just released their data in May of 2021.
www.wijngaardsinstitute.com/research-report-christian-objections-same-sex-unions/
Along with the Pope,Cardinals, Bishops, and Other Catholic Church Leaders Who Have Made Positive Statements about Civil Unions, Same-Gender Relationships, and Marriage Equality
www.newwaysministry.org/issues/marriage-equality/church-leaders-support/
Everyone should hear this!
What's morally wrong with homosexuality?
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TRUTH
We've misinterpreted the context of biblical passages in the past. Passages of the Bible were used to condone slavery, elevating men over women, and anti-semitism.
The history of Christianity and large elements of the Hebrew Scriptures evince beliefs in a God who seem to bless a great many things we would deem today as sinful. Incest, polygamy, genocide, slavery, just to name a few. And divorce, which was considered to be a sin back then, is not today.
Extensive research has shown us we have yet got it wrong again. The context of homosexuality in the Bible has to do with lust, not love.
For instance, in the passage where it states, "a man should not lie with another man", we go back and look at the translation. The precise Hebrew words in Leviticus 20:13 actually states that the text prohibits a "sexual" relationship between a “man” (ish in Hebrew) and a male (zachar in Hebrew), not between an “ish” and another “ish".In ancient Greek culture, in that world, there was a popular and common social custom of men of a certain class socializing with younger males - in a context where mentoring, socializing, partying, and sexual activities would or could occur between the two groups.
@@bradguzman5525 Are you saying the Bible encourages Homosexuality??? You need to study the Bible
@@raphaelfeneje486 He doesn't say that. He's saying the Bible may not actually condemn the act of a man loving a man
@@Marcus12813 I don't understand what you're saying. The Bible sure condemns that. And let's even pretend the Bible doesn't, does that makes it moral??😕
i remember what alot of ex lgbtq people told me on the topic of homosexuality (and im generalizing a bit since i cant specifically quote them all) but they all said "just because a desire is natural, does not mean it is good."
So this person is making a better world by being disrespectful. Pretty sure buddha wouldn't agree with her.
Not all ideas deserve respect.
She needs to reexamine her claims
The purpose of sex is getting to give yourself totally in the most sacred, holy, and fruitful way to somebody you love and work on loving more everyday, in order to grow up spiritually with this person and build a home and a family in the safest, most balanced and trustful human environment possible. Period.
NLT James 1:2-3
Dear brothers and sisters, when troubles come your way, consider it an opportunity for great joy.
For you know that when your faith is tested, your endurance has a chance to grow.
It may take years, but we can pray that this woman’s heart may yet become open to the gift of salvation.
I think this girl just likes the sound of her own voice.
Bingo... I bet she felt she won the moral argument with him. 😂😂😂😂 ahh no she didn't, her smugness only proved him correct.
@@DigbyOdel-et3xx I don't think it matters who is correct when you're not open to listening to anyone else's voice.
@@carlnikolov
Of course that's called discussion. But she was only trying to paint Cliff into a corner and he was wise not to let her do it.
Christophobes and atheists often misunderstand the Bible and what Christians actually say. Christians are called upon to rebuke all sins. Not to rebuke people. For Christophobes and atheists to try to get Christians to turn against their faith is a terrible and IMO a Satanic led ideal.
The Aggression in her is an telling a story.
YES! I was thinking the same thing/...
Why does she believe changing her sex makes the world a better place. It makes the world a more sick place
She’s seems to be very incompetent
Why is she equating Buddhism with Christianity?
The author of confusion just took over the debate 😏.
When anyone is confronted with a person who solely wants to argue without reason best thing to do is change subject or walk away
That is a cop-out. I bet you Cliffe would never do that.
May God bless you because you speak the truth,you are disciple indeed
Wish you could have continued the video. I would have liked to see the response after her answer to Cliff's question.
You don't need to be religious to know something is abnormal. A young child knows it. Only a male a female can produce offspring. They also create the most ideal conditions to raise a child.
Not even true? Long-term studies suggest the parenting outcomes are negligible for or even partial to gay couples (not solely because they are gay, but because of the healthy social environment necessary for gay adoption to be accepted by a community). This is absolutely a religious issue - if these people hadn't been demonized and outcast over lazy, intuition-based justifications, there wouldn't be as much of a problem.
@@Charnutboy what's your source, exactly?
I come from Tik Tok.
Same 💞
same
Same here
Same
I bet you did
This is typical of many gen-z today. They do not understand the rules of debate. He speaks, she listens, then she speaks and he responds. All she does is interrupt Cliffe when he tries to make his points. And the audience is correct. She does not listen well.
She actually brought up the concept of overpopulation into a homosexuality argument 😅
That women needs help. Prayers for her.
I bet her professors dont like her as she dont listen well.
She's obviously one of THOSE types
She seriously just cant let him talk???
It’s more like homosexuals hates christianity. I am homosexual myself and a catholic. No matter how much the priest say’s that God’s love is un conditional, I still know to myself for a fact that A man is for a women and woman is for a man. I am aware that what I am aware that what I am doing is a sin, like cliffe said before God give us free will. I am not really proud about it but right now I am happy with who I am with. I still beleive in him though and I try to be a good human being. I have faith in God and I beleive that he exist.
God bless
But it does not sound right though?.If someone really loves God he/she must follow what God has written in His word, that's what the Bible says. Am I right?
Well yeah when the church though that it could electroshock(or lobotomize) the gay out of you
It kinda makes it hard for people to love the church
He says god created marriage but marriage has been estimated to be created in 2350 B.C. in Mesopotamia. So the real question now is why would god care who humans decide to stay with for life with this human made ritual as long as they are not doing anything morally wrong. And in the end, even if for some reason god does for some reason care who we marry, if we ask for forgiveness, doesn’t it not matter anyways and therefore we can marry and be with whoever we want till then
Het probleem van deze vrouw is niet dat ze gender is, maar dat ze de sex niet op wil geven. ❤
It must be nice to be an all knowing transomething being.
This was recorded almost a decade ago and she mentions sex change operation. I trip out because that is now to be accepted in 2023 .
Yea she was ahead of her time but it came from craziness, lol
@justingary5322 it's a debate what's your point?
@@diversityhobbit their point is that christians have no valid reason to be bigots other than religious fanaticism
It’s crazy, this should’ve been stopped then, now this confusion has massively poisoned our society and is getting out of hands.
We can just see decades after decades every depravation giving birth to another from the sexual revolution to divorce to feminism to extravagant pride parades to transgenderism. Now they are out there trying so hard to indoctrinate and sexualize children to make space for pedophilia (or MAP) so that it can be allowed and celebrated.
Christ is truly the only way of salvation to our sickness.🙏🏽
imagine being in her class.
TRUTH
We've misinterpreted the context of biblical passages in the past. Passages of the Bible were used to condone slavery, elevating men over women, and anti-semitism.
The history of Christianity and large elements of the Hebrew Scriptures evince beliefs in a God who seem to bless a great many things we would deem today as sinful. Incest, polygamy, genocide, slavery, just to name a few. And divorce, which was considered to be a sin back then, is not today.
Extensive research has shown us we have yet got it wrong again. The context of homosexuality in the Bible has to do with lust, not love.
For instance, in the passage where it states, "a man should not lie with another man", we go back and look at the translation. The precise Hebrew words in Leviticus 20:13 actually states that the text prohibits a "sexual" relationship between a “man” (ish in Hebrew) and a male (zachar in Hebrew), not between an “ish” and another “ish".In ancient Greek culture, in that world, there was a popular and common social custom of men of a certain class socializing with younger males - in a context where mentoring, socializing, partying, and sexual activities would or could occur between the two groups.
It is clear that homosexuality is not accepted from God and there is no excuse.
LIKE THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS: HOMOSEXUAL SEX IS A DEGRADING AND VILE PASSION AND WHEN A MAN IS DOING SEX WITH ANOTHER MAN IT IS AN UNNATURAL FUNCTION AND THEY ARE COMMITTING SHAMEFUL ACTS....
EVEN IF SOMEONE SAY THAT A MAN HAVE TRUE LOVE FOR ANOTHER MAN OR HE WILL BE MARRY HIM IT DOESN'T CHANGE THAT THE ACT IS SHAMEFUL AND THEY ARE DOING AN UNNATURAL FUNCTION.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE..
For this reason God gave them over to DEGRADING AND VILE PASSIONS; for their women exchanged the NATURAL FUNCTION FOR THAT WHICH IS UNNATURAL [a function contrary to nature], and in the same way also the men turned away from the natural function of the woman and were consumed with their desire toward one another, men with men COMMITTING SHAMEFUL ACTS and in return receiving in their own bodies the inevitable and appropriate penalty for their wrongdoing. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or consider Him worth knowing [as their Creator], God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do things which are improper and repulsive,
Romans 1:26-28
When in Leviticus it says that no man or woman will have sex with a beast because it is an abomination, THERE IS NO EXCUSE. IT IS CLEAR...NO EXCEPTION.OOHH IT IS OK IF YOU LOVE YOUR ANIMAL, YOU CAN HAVE SEX BECAUSE IT IS NOT LUST....NO IT IS NO OK....
You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination. [I Cor. 6:9, 10.] Neither shall you lie with any beast and defile yourself with it; neither shall any woman yield herself to a beast to lie with it; it is confusion, perversion, and degradedly carnal.
Leviticus 18:22-23
SO WHEN IT SAY IN LEVITICUS : YOU SHALL NOT LIE WITH A MAN AS WITH A WOMAN BECAUSE IT IS AN ABOMINATION...THERE IS NO EXCEPTION....NOT BY LOVE..
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO CHANGE THE WORD OF GOD FOR THEIR OWN PLEASURE BUT GOD CANNOT BE TRICK.
You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination
What about 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
And also Romans chapter 1
That doesn’t change the fact that the passage condemns sexual relationships between men and other males. Also, you have other verses in places like Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6, 1 Timothy, Jude, and back in Genesis with Sodom and Gomorrah
It mind boggles me, this girl needs a reality check, no human being can save themselves, such ignorance and naiveness. God bless and guide her, because she needs real guidance.
This pastor is really good at arguing, it would be really cool to have him at my high school
Ppl need to realize that calling out a sin is different from dehumanizing someone...me as a straight guy my sexual sin is no different from a gay/lesbians whatever lets get that real clear..sin is sin thats all kliff is saying.
I love all people but jus t because I love you doesn’t mean I need to accept your ideologies and practices.
This was shot back in 2014.
He has homosexual friends that he treasures
Ofcourse, homosexuality is a choice and free will must be respected.
That doesn't mean we will stop preaching and warning you about that sinful lifestyle.
@@JohnjOcampo
I'm sorry brother but I never choice this I've prayed for it to go away
@@Essencealex17 i hear you, that's what you wrestle with everyday just like i wrestle with drugs and heterosexual lust on a daily basis. I think as long as we know we are in sin and strive to overcome it instead of indulging in it then God will help us through it.
the question everyone should be asking is what is his purpose for being on campus.....i would say he is proselytizing. he is not there to debate he is there to convert people
Jesus Christ is the only answer. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
09:12 me too man.. I had the same reaction 🙃
This woman never shuts up to listen. She just wants to indict religion for all its alleged faults. Homosexuality as a sexual identity in itself is not a sin. It is the act of fornicating that is condemned by the God of the Bible. Same with Judaism and Islam.
This lady would be beaten up if she was talking to a Muslim this way.
This women is very attractive physically
Her heart is ugly
I'd love to talk with this guy. Where can I find him?
his channel is called askcliffe
She needs some help. Jesus
4:45 THIS IS THE MAIN POINT; If your standard is that people should follow their motivations (i.e. desires), then you really open up society to a whole cornucopia of sin which only ends up in sorrow. He says (listen) " ..my sex drive motivates me to have sex with as many good-looking women as I possibly can...". He should have asked her, "do you think men having sex with many women and never seeking a wife is something we should promote?" The next Jeffrey Dahmer is in the audience, and you're going to tell him to follow his motivations?
7:50 isn't it eigthfold tho 😂😂🤣 even siddhartha gautama himself told people that his works and way of thinking should not be a religion. It's just a guide, not a religion but his servants made it into a religion after he died😅
She just quotes the lyrics of MJ hahahahha
4:13 - no - you just heard that in your mind.
Homosexual marriage is just not the way. That’s not good for the child at all if you adopt one.
Bullshit. It's happening whether you like it or not and there is no turning back the clock. Deal with it.
female Joe rogan vs matt walsh
What could this possibly mean
This girl thinks her opinion is more important than God’s law
I wonder how many times this guy’s church has refused to accept remarried divorcees into the congregation as opposed to gay couples.
I suppose the difference would be that divorce is a one time sin as opposed to being a sinful lifestyle. a better example would be comparing an alcoholic to a homosexuality individual
Why would homosexuals want to get married which is a holy matrimony?
Why not invent your own ceremony and call it something esle?
No ofcourse not, you want take something holy and perverse it like the disgusting lifestyle you choose to live.
I’d think that we all live a sinful lifestyle, whether it be adultery, or saying the lord’s name in vain, or having murder in our heart even for the people that we believe deserve it the most, or lying, or jealousy of our neighbor, we will always sin since the only one who’s never sinned was Jesus Christ. The thing about these things we are not our sins, we are not murderers or idolaters or adulterers even homosexuals as well. It is despite the things about us we will still be saved as long as we put faith into Jesus Christ, that he did die for our sins, and he is the son and there is the father and the holy spirit, and that we admit that we are sinners so we stay humble. I think that even a person who lives a homosexual lifestyle should still put faith into Jesus Christ and pray to him even if he or she continues to sin but also admits that they are a sinner like all of us ought to.
@@greasyham_sandwich3707 well no, it’s not just a one-time sin because a remarried divorcee is constantly living in the sin of adultery with their new spouse.
@@notoriousriot250 so 1) would you then agree that a church should be willing to accept an openly practicing gay person as a congregant just as much as a remarried divorcee? And 2) should remarried divorcees be compelled to acknowledged that they’re living in sin *by virtue of their subsequent and illegitimate marriage*?
Girl is a future "Karen". Maybe she will realize one day that she is a very small voice in a very big world.
Not a future Karen, a present one
@@emerealm3779 thats true. 8)
I’d say slavery is clearly in the Bible. There were laws given on how you should govern your slaves. The Bible also says if a man lays with another man it is an abomination. Not every sin can say it was called an abomination by the “SoG”
Every sin is an abomination but the Bible doesn't say to hate people who sin. As a matter of fact, it says the direct opposite. Mind quoting the slavery scripture?
Jews were practicing a form of slavery back then, not Jesus.
No where in the Bible does it condone it, it just talks about it since it was the reality at that time.
Learn how to read in context, i'm sure you aren't a child anymore.
@@emerealm3779there were laws in the old testament in if they were to own slaves, the main thing though was to treat them as neighbors and to release them after a certain amount of time, this was more like indentured servitude though, Jesus Christ paid for our sins though and this is now not practiced.
Adultery is an abomination just as every other sin and can be a sin even if its in our minds, but the main take away should be that it should humble us not condemn us because Jesus Christ will save all that have faith in him and admit that we are all not without sin and admit that he is the one true God and the Son who died for our sins.
God’s love, mercy and Grace is give. to us DESPITE our sins, none of us deserve it but through faith we can still be saved.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
“If you are attracted to somebody of the same sex that’s demonic”: Isaiah Saldivar
Genesis is Not an reliable source, to describe the Creation and purpose of Humans
Funny that a god could be so serious about seafood and clothes, yet say nothing about slavery in his 10 rules. Such utter bollocks. Sex is to reproduce, its our animal instinct, just as this guy actually said, his drive makes him want to have sex with many people, animal instinct to carry on our genes.. The physical pleasure is just a bonus. Plus of course, people need to be aware of the serious repercussions that may occur after sex, ie...children.
This lady is angry at cliff for God's rule
It sounded to me like she is her own God 😳..
What does that even mean?
@@scottgodlewski306 "screw you God, I'll do it my way"
Fine, you have free will and if your desire is to be separate from God then he will grant you that wish when your physical body ceases to exist.
@@JohnjOcampo Lots of suspect stuff here. So is that the only “wish” God is guaranteed to grant? He won’t grant the wishes of parents sitting next to the beds of their dying children in hospitals across the world, but if I don’t believe then he’s like, “hey, you didn’t want to be with me so I’ll make that happen”? Also, I don’t know how many non-believers you’ve spoken to, but the number of people who “desire to be separate from God”, meaning they are convinced of his existence but actively reject him for some reason, is a statistical zero and maybe even a literal zero. This is the great lie believers tell themselves about non-believers. That we know God exists but we just want to sin or some other nonsense. The vast majority of non-believers are non simply because they are not convinced by the God proposition. Also also, the “they want to be their own god” is a cringey and ridiculous statement. God ahead and add that to the list of statements believers should stop using on account of it making the speaker sound laughably self-righteous and infantile.
Also also also, if your belief that God thinks same sex relationships are bad and that leads you to vote in a way that would deny those folks the same rights you enjoy, then your religion is making you a hypocritical monster and you should seriously think about what kind of person you want to be.
@@scottgodlewski306 I've never voted to make homosexuality illegal, don't put words in people's mouth it makes you look like a coward.
Even though i wouldn't vote to make homosexuality illegal doesn't mean i can't voice my opinion about the disgusting lifestyle certain individuals choose.
It's crazy how death is written all over the very same lifestyle Jesus warned us about, they lead both in deadly and non-deadly diseases, they have the highest suicide rate of any minority in the world.
This man is probably one of the last messengers God is sending humanity to repent and accept Jesus Christ.
The ONLY way to our Holy Father!
They can have a civil union 🤷 in the Church marriage is between a man and a woman
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Jesus Christ is THE ONLY WAY … He is The Truth.. The Life 🤍🤍🤍
Jesus Christ is the utlimate answer
3:36 😅
She chooses to follow sin then accused Christians of not loving sin.
SIN IS NOT A PERSON, is a will to follow the devil so can you expect Christian to support Satan.
This is madness.
Please do not equate racism by Europeans against blacks with homosexuality.
There are no atheists or nonbelievers hell...
I do not agree with him either, but what she is failing to realize is that she needs to just accept that’s HIS belief, he isn’t going to change it and doesn’t have enough hard evidence that involves god, so he’s just going to keep on saying “BC got didn’t want it”
You clearly haven’t watched any other video of this guy. He answers every question a college person can think of. Watch more videos of him
lol you atheists always narrate both sides of the argument .. you have a problem with following and understanding the message.
Yeah, obviously you’ve never listened to anything he has ever said. Try talking to anyone who is LGBT and against Christianity and just use the Bible as a fact. No matter what he says, y’all are never happy with an answer because the truth is that you don’t get to give into your desires no matter how he words it
Did you even watch the video? It has nothing to do with beliefs, it has everything to do with the reliability of Christ
Exactly! You cannot force people to follow and obey your beliefs, beliefs, beliefs, beliefs. They are not facts. This man has never spoken to God or Jesus, he is going by what men told him. You are free to believe whatever you want, you can impose that on yourself, but you have to draw the line on imposing it on other people. There are many different religions, and some with no religion. Your religion does not rule all others. And also the bottom line is, homosexuals hurt no one! For two people to fall in love and want to take care of each other for the rest of their lives, and perhaps adopt children from an orphanage that have no parents and create a family, is not evil, is not wrong, and is not a sin. It is actually beneficial to society. Do you not believe that it’s a possibility God made a small percentage of the population homosexual to take care of the children that have been abandoned?? Nothing in the Bible condemns loving committed monogamous same-sex relationships. It all has to do with men having sex with boys, Pederasty, and pagan ritual orgies.
The younger person is passionate, but not sufficiently versed in the man’s worldview to have this debate on his terms.
However, I just can’t justify this man’s bigoted (“narrow”) worldview about gays, which utilizes the Bible to justify gays’ exclusion from basic human social institutions (i.e., marriage); moreover, the implication is that gays should be lonely, and should not have companionship and families. That just seems so wrong to me; why can’t some Christians establish truth claims that are more inclusive and not so bigoted?
On what planet is state recognition of a union between people a human right?
@@abdulluya4732 ikr lmao
You didn't even watch the video oof I hope God opens your mind
@@heftymagic4814 Just because you disagree with what I said does not justify your unfounded presumption that I did not watch the video. In fact, I did watch it. Hopefully, your eyes will be opened to make you a better witness of God’s grace.
What I don't understand is why then do gay folk WANT and feel its a RIGHT to be married???!!! Because marriage the concept comes from the bible. It doesn't matter what you are, you can't choose some bits of the bible and drop other bits just because yiu don't like it. It's trying to make a hybrid of the bible to suit! Marriage is a construct that you don't need to embrace.
What pisses,me off immensely is that sooooooooo many people cause blasphemy of the bible but there would be an utter uprising if people tried to do this with another religion!!!! Just thi about that.
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You can tell she won by the way he attacks her, not her position.
@Justin Gary It is always the same. When the clown can't prove his point he goes on the attack. She made him look like the fool he is.
@Rick Vaillancourt Yet, you attack him lol.
@@AlCord84 And you defend the bully. Which of us are in the wrong?
@@rickvaiBBB Bully - to treat (someone) in a cruel, insulting, threatening, or aggressive fashion (from Merriam-Webster).
Yeah. clearly this guy was calling her names, threatening her, and being cruel (please dont make me define cruel).
She won? Lol, you can tell you're ignorant. It's a dialog where you can have a discussion. She's doing a lot of crying and complaining instead of trying to understand what he is saying. But hey, if you consider acting like a child is winning, go ahead and take that W, lol
Thou shall not lay with a boy, it refers to pedophilia I was told that by a pastor, and this isn’t a argumentative standpoint I wanna know. If I was created as a man, why do I have zero sex drive near women and no interest in relationships with them. Then the very second I’m with a man I immediately feel attracted to a man more than a woman? That my question now a quick background of me, I’m Christian and I am trans sexual I identify as female. At any rate I do like the videos.
Attraction is completely natural. Having sexual tendencies or a lifestyle and condoning same sex relations is competing unnatural between humans.
@@swuavewrap8642 then why in the Bible is there nothing about homosexuality besides the short stories that are shown in church or the children version of the Bible? If it was unnatural than anyone wouldn’t have that attraction ever to someone of the same sex or at least at the scale of which we have as we have people who are attracted to both sex’s if it was truely unnatural, why is it we have so many more people whom are say bisexual and or pansexual say numbering in the rough 70ish percent of America either like same sex or it doesn’t matter to them that’s a pretty huge margin especially as some even go to church or are a pastor. Now me for instance I’m a firm follower of the statement “love thou neighbor” and “only god shall judge me” which Segway’s to a question I have always asked but never got a straight direct answer since it’s said in the Bible that “we shall not judge our neighbor before our lord Jesus Christ” why is it that we have so many Christians that are so quick to judge one another aren’t they technically going against the lord’s word and judgement? I believe if homosexuality was exactly 100% wrong or unnatural everyone would have the same lust for the opposite sex and as I stated or possibly missed some details however I have went to church every Sunday and sometimes Wednesday read the Bible front to back asked questions to my pastor and many other pastors when they didn’t have an answer and yet I still only ever liked men even after trying to make myself be with the opposite sex and I just couldn’t every “straight” relationship didn’t last very long about two months max, and I feel god has a plan for me the way he made me and I’ll keep asking till I meet my answer on that part.
Where does it say thou shall not lay with a boy?
@@elohel3293 I’ll have to find it again but it’s in both the children’s Bible I had from ‘01 and the and the a Bible I had since ‘18 can’t say from ‘18 - ‘21 year and in my grandparents book from 1979 it says it, I’m confident you can find it in the online version, however I don’t trust the online version as people can change it cause it isn’t a secured page.
@@TheSimulatorSmith did you read romans
Ask her how two men or two women could come together and have a baby. It’s impossible!
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We've misinterpreted the context of biblical passages in the past. Passages of the Bible were used to condone slavery, elevating men over women, and anti-semitism.
The history of Christianity and large elements of the Hebrew Scriptures evince beliefs in a God who seem to bless a great many things we would deem today as sinful. Incest, polygamy, genocide, slavery, just to name a few. And divorce, which was considered to be a sin back then, is not today.
Extensive research has shown us we have yet got it wrong again. The context of homosexuality in the Bible has to do with lust, not love.
For instance, in the passage where it states, "a man should not lie with another man", we go back and look at the translation. The precise Hebrew words in Leviticus 20:13 actually states that the text prohibits a "sexual" relationship between a “man” (ish in Hebrew) and a male (zachar in Hebrew), not between an “ish” and another “ish".In ancient Greek culture, in that world, there was a popular and common social custom of men of a certain class socializing with younger males - in a context where mentoring, socializing, partying, and sexual activities would or could occur between the two groups.
These specific words - “men” and “males” - were used precisely in descriptions of the Greek custom back then because, at that time, only men who were of adult age and of sufficient substance to own land, vote, and marry, could legally be called “men.” Those who were too young to vote, own land, or marry could only be referred to as “males” under Greek law.
So since man>male is a specific term referring to Greek pederasty, then its use in Leviticus 20:13 would make that verse a prohibition of that practice, and not of homosexuality in general.
That would also mean that there is no such condemnation anywhere else in the Torah (Leviticus 18:22 also uses the word zachar, rather than ish).
Similarly, if the verse was meant to refer to adult homosexual behavior, the style of usage in both Leviticus 20 and the earlier Leviticus 18 would require that ish>ish be used, not ish>zachar. The fact that “isha” (woman) is used in both Leviticus verses adds to this.
“An ish should not lie with a zachar as he would with an isha” makes less contextual sense than “an ish should not lie with an ish as he would with an isha".
Since in its Greek meaning that “man>male” signifies a pederastic relationship, and it is this that the Leviticus verses outlaw.
When it was translated into Hebrew, they wrongly changed God"s word to man and man, since they had no pederasty custom.
jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/redefining-leviticus-2013/
We also have the romantic relationship between Jonathan and David.
One relevant Bible passage on this issue is 1 Samuel 18:1:
And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. (KJV)[20]
Another relevant passage is 2 Samuel 1:26, where David says:
I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women. (KJV)[21]
(Why a woman? Because women are the only love we have that involves sex).
The story of Ruth and Naomi in the Book of Ruth is also occasionally interpreted by contemporary scholars as the story of a lesbian couple.
Here is a brilliant BISHOP and biblical scholar, who spent a long time researching homosexual passages in the Bible. He has been on many TV programs, including many on ultra-conservative Bill O'Reilly's show.
He gives many sound reasons why we got it wrong in the interpretation. He also found slavery, the elevation of men over women, and antisemitism to be misinterpreted.
ruclips.net/video/xHLUafn5s7M/видео.html
And not only this Bishop, a Biblical scholar, but the Pope has come out in support of the LGBT community as well.
Telling Christians they need to ask the LGBT community for forgiveness and apologize.
He also said that they need to be integrated into society.
I have taken the time to pray and research on homosexuality, and abortion, to make sure I get it right. I am not trusting my eternal soul to someone else's interpretations. That is the lazy way to be a Christian.
These decisions will impact other people's lives tremendously. They should not be taken lightly. But unfortunately, if there is no close relationships with an LGBT person, people find it hard to find love in their hearts to make sure they get it right.
The Holy Spirit has spoken to me about this and has brought to me this research and helped me understand it. I have prayed many times to make sure that if I got it wrong to please tell me, but I have always gotten reassurance in return. Basically the Holy Spirit says that when you look Through The Eyes Of Love you can't get it wrong.
So here's where he has led me on other scripture as well.
Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 sound very convincing in including lesbians and gay men in the most dreadful lists of depraved human behavior imaginable.
The fact is that the word translated “homosexual” does not mean “homosexual” and the word translated “effeminate” does not mean "effeminate!”
The English word “homosexual” is a composite word made from a Greek term (homo, “the same”) and a Latin term (sexualis, “sex”). The term “homosexual” is of modern origin and was not used until about 100 years ago. There is no word in biblical Greek or Hebrew that is parallel to the word “homosexual.” No Bible before the Revised Standard Version in 1946 used “homosexual” in any Bible translation.
The word translated as “homosexual” or “sexual pervert” or some other similar term is Greek ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoites, which was formed from two words meaning “male” and “bed.” This word is not found anywhere else in the Bible and has not been found anywhere in the contemporary Greek of Paul’s time. We do not know what it means. It probably refers to male prostitutes with female customers, which was a common practice in the Roman world, as revealed in the excavations at Pompeii and other sites.
When early Greek-speaking Christian preachers condemned homosexuality, they did not use this word. John Chrysostom (A.D. 345-407) preached in Greek against homosexuality, but he never used this word for homosexuals, and when he preached on 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, he did not mention homosexuals.
ruclips.net/video/LZr_LBVoASE/видео.html
Also, “Soft” does not mean “effeminate.” The word translated “effeminate” in 1 Corinthians 6:9 is Greek μαλακός malakos and means “soft” or “vulnerable.” The word is translated as “soft” in reference to clothing in Matthew 11:8 and Luke 7:25 and as “illness” in Matthew 4:23 and 9:35. It is not used anywhere else in the New Testament and carries no hint of reference to sexual orientation. Malakia (μαλακία) in 1 Corinthians 6:9 probably refers those who are “soft,” “pliable,” “unreliable,” or “without courage or stability.” The translation of malakos as “effeminate” is incorrect, ignorant, degrading to women, and impossible to justify based on ancient usage compared to the meaning of “effeminate” today.
The Bible was first written in the ancient languages of Hebrew and Greek and … not translated into English until 1611. It had been translated into Latin, French, and German prior to being translated into English. None of these translations ever mentioned homosexuality as an interpretation of these Greek words.
Words from a Pastor of 27 years........
m.ruclips.net/video/cgXwKVYBgSI/видео.html
In 2008, 34.4 percent of evangelicals between the ages of eighteen and thirty-five supported same-sex marriage. In 2018, that figure had risen to 56.1 percent.