Would South Vietnam Still Exist If Nixon Stayed In Office?
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This guy is way smarter than the current roster. Defintely history will absolve him
The local bum down the street is way smarter than the current roster
I am glad President Nixon is finally getting the respect he deserved. Wasn't alive during his presidency but I come from a political family and they were staunch Nixon supporters. Mr. Nixon was a brilliant statesman, a wonderful husband, loving father, and kind man. Plus, he rooted for my Mets 😀
Great on all counts. What really burns me is scum Dems steal the 1960 election, get us into a war Ike/Nixon spent 8 years keeping us out of, and honor that mutt with a ship. The next carrier should be renamed for Nixon. And at the ceremony they toss the other name into the sea.
Watergate was baby stuff compared to the crap 💩 they get away with now! I was about 10 or so when it happened. That’s all we heard on the news, every night. Before that it was Vietnam. Complete & total coverage, as best as we could tell, anyway.
@@HogRebel spot on
@@HogRebel Yeah me too. When I did the research for my FATAL FLAWS history series I found a book called the real crime of watergate. In the 500 + pages the author showed all of the illegal collusion between the media, prosecution and judge to "insure their case would prevail". Nixon had exposed a elitist Dem traitor back in 1950 and they despised him for it. Tragic the swine Dems stole the 1960 election to get us into Nam, and Nixon had to get us out.
I agree 100%
Watching President Nixon speak so articulately about his stance on global politics you gain more respect for the man's intelligence. Within communist Vietnam he is regarded as a war criminal who ordered bombing runs on the nation and in the States I doubt people remember him for anything other than Watergate. But this channel offers a rare insight into President Nixon beyond the scandals and revealed him to be a very astute man with rich expertise in foreign policy who might've very well changed the course of history had he stayed in office. His foresight is sorely missed in these days.
Why don't people recognise his enactment on homosexual special rights ?
@@benjurqunovprobably because either nobody cares or because it was the start of the degeneracy slippery slope that we're going down on right now so. 🙄
@mrtommygunner you know who is articulate and has the same kind of stance on global politics since 1999? 😏👆
US had to abandon Vietnam to fight Soviet in the Middle East
his replies are so detailed; as if he not only recalls but made the whole process of his final decision. Like, as if he didn't even use a think tank to come up with the corrective move. So, his decision at the time would be exactly the same every time; he remembers every detail.
He was a voracious bookworm addicted to books. I’ve always liked that part about him. I think his love for reading, especially with the newspapers of the time, made him way more informed than just about every congressperson of today.
@@The_Red_Off_Road much like a certain German head of state was. maybe it's time to reassess what we've been fed by the very same propagandists about both. 🧐👆
So refreshing listening to a president coherent intelligent articulate.
Richard Nixon met Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Not like the next republican candidate 😇🙄
Reminds me of 2008-2016
Hear hear! Where is the next real leader....? Can't see it for at least the next '4 More Years' 😉
@@andrewburns3524 oh, you mean Trumps second term? I agree! 😂😉
The Congress that President Ford had to work with wouldn't lift a finger to defend the South Vietnamese.
Hell, even the South Vietnamese wouldn't lift a finger to save themselves.
@@BPD1586🎯 sth viet army were lame we didnt trust them quote viet vet australia same opinion. Cowards ?
@@BPD1586 🎯 🇦🇺👍
So true, and exactly why the NVN returned. They knew Nixon's pledge was gone. Once they attacked up north and there was no response they made the next one and the next. Dems are the enemy. Did you know it was Truman who ended support for Chiang against Mao. That was why the Reds won in China. What did we get for his stupidity, Wars in Korea and Vietnam. Had Chiang won his forces would have helped the French in Nam, no more uncle Ho. And No Korea either.
@@BPD1586excellent point
Henry A.Kissinger said “ America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.” So the fall of Saigon is terrible result obviously. But I love American and South Vietnam troops.
He and Nixon were thinking of the next generation, not the next election. Time is vindicating both Kissinger and Nixon and condemning the democrats. They (democrats) will be held accountable for what they have done to us and South Vietnam.
Most underrated President in US history
The problem in Vietnam was we didn't fight it like WW2. No effort was made to capture enemy territory or their capital or leadership. We, and the army of South Vietnam, just basically played a defensive game in South Vietnam.
The US would have committed suicide by invading the north cause the whole population was armed to the teeth and extremely nationalistic. And we didn't have enough troops to occupy the north indefinitely. Remember Japan bf the atomic bomb was dropped how they were prepared to die for every inch. Also, I'm convinced, like Korea, the Red Chinese would have joined the war, after all it was a war of democracy vs communism.
That's COL Harry Summer's take which I tend to agree with. Being tactically on the offensive (i.e. S&D ops) but on the strategic defensive (staying out of the North, Laos, and Cambodia, mostly.
@@jamesalexander3530 Not sure the North would have been that tough a nut to crack since it was armed to the teeth, it would have at least allowed the US to conduct set piece conventional battles to which it was best suited. But I definitely agree that the reason we didn't was largely because of the lesson of Korea of just over a decade before: it risked massive support from the CCP.
It would have been costly in U.S. casualties , the Vietnamese have been fighting forever , they are a tough bunch have to give them credit for the love of they're country and culture . Have you noticed China never messes with them ? Also Vietnamese army went into Cambodia to crysh the Pol Pot regime , they succeeded and left , had no intention on occupying Cambodia. They are peaceful people until you mess with them
no the problem was in a civil war the side you are backing has to fight. the SVN would never fight
I was in Isael in Government service when Nixon ordered American military units in Europe to prepare for deploy,ent in Sinai. Soviets had five Airborne divisions and their Antonovs at Sheremetev field near Moscow ready to seize Suez Canal because General Sharon defied orders to not invade Egypt. I can tell you that it was 10:15 P.M. that evening when orders came through to U.S. military near Frankfurt in Germany to standby for departure to Israel. Those orders did not come because Kissinger was in Moscow and got Yuri Andropov to finally say, "We will not fight a nuclear war over Egypt and Syria". You can "fill in the blanks" here.
His assessments were spot on and correct. His first bombing stopped the NVA armored invasion of the South, and they retreated after taking heavy losses. The 2nd bombing ended the war. And all the while we were negotiating the Communists were planning their invasion and attacks. They were stunned at what he did to them. That was what war is, forcing the opponent to stop by violent means. All knew he was serious, as the Russians backed down from helping Syria in 1973 when Nixon prepared our forces to go in to fight them. If you want to learn more see my Detailed work, (12yrsR&W), FATAL FLAWS BOOK 2 1945-1975
The North Vietnamese were truly terrified of Nixon. They regarded him as unpredictable and knew he would unleash the dogs of hell to save South Vietnam. If he was still President in 1975, the outcome would of been very different. In fact there is a good chance Hanoi would not of even tried to take Saigon, knowing Nixon's history and willingness to inflict massive pain on North Vietnam if required.
The truth about this great man will never be printed. He was and is without a doubt in the top 5 Presidents of all time but this will never be spoken.
But for one mistake, this man was a very capable president
On foreign policy, he was one of the best.
@@RPMCanes Indeed he was
It wasn't his mistake, certain entrenched and rogue powers clearly went after him.
I'm happy to see this question was asked of - and answered by - President Nixon.
I mean, I'm relieved it wasn't a poll where people put on their thinking caps and try to second-guess history!
Best wishes from Vermont ❄️
I am also relieved that a paid Media Matters communist troll didn't reply to your great comment. At least not yet.
I have to disagree with Nixon on this subject. South Vietnam had a weak and unpopular government. More American involvement probably would not have affected the outcome. The South would still have collapsed just like Afghanistan did.
Unpopular with Hanoi and the VC that's for sure. Far more South Vietnamese supported the Saigon Govt, despite its many shortcomings than the VC. This can be plainly illustrated by the images of 1975, with virtually the entire population fleeing Southwards to get away from the encroaching NVA their supposed "liberators". I guess those "liberators" weren't as warmly welcomed as they thought they would be.
The South Vietnamese government was far more popular than the North Vietnamese Communist government and the flow of refugees pretty much proves that. South Vietnam to lose because it was unpopular, it lost because they ran out of ammunition and fuel after the Democrats cut it off from while the Soviets and Red Chinese continued to amply supply the North.
@@tedmccarron keep lying to yourself, it won't ever make what you said true either way
@@marechaltukhachevsky2909 and exactly which part of this do you think is a lie?
A great man who was brushed aside.
I hated the expansion of government he continued to include the creation of the EPA, OsHa, his response to the fuel crisis, removing us from the gold standard, and opening up the spigot of money to China, which created our largest adversary and possibly enemy. I do think he was a very smart president who did get undermined by his own people and villified by the American public and the media. I always thought Nixon was framed.
just a confused misguided man like others, he should look into china cultural revolution, the north vietnamese is trying to create another region for the escapees. Why taiwan and china spilt. Is mao communist ???
"55 Days, The Fall of South Vietnam" by Alan Dawson. Excellent book about the last, desperate days of the war in April 1975. Check it out.
Not to be confused with, 55 Days in Peking, another Asian war US troops fought in.
Generals from North Vietnam said when he was gone, that they tested the new President (Ford) to see if he was as tough. When Ford couldn't follow through and couldn't get Congress to approve follow-through on Nixon's agreement, it all fell apart. That is how the collapse went down, congress refused to allow the treaty agreement with South Vietnam to be honored and removal of Nixon brought the unanswered challenge that cost us the war - AFTER we'd announced we'd won (VV-Day).
I understand Biden was instrumental in leading Congress, true ?
Remember that it was LBJ and McNamara who were most responsible for getting us into that mess. Nixon did his best to get us out and was finally successful. One of our most intelligent and underappreciated presidents.
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wrong.
Correct! The liberal media wants us to believe it was Nixon’s war. The record clearly shows LBJ and McNamara were responsible for a U.S. troop increase from approximately 25,000 to 500,000 from 64 to 68. Nixon’s Presidency brought that back down to around 25,000 from 69 to 72, and our exit…not in defeat but a negotiated peace.
If you look at the troop levels in South Vietnam from 1964 through 1972, Nixon withdrew American troops about as fast as Johnson deployed them. While Nixon was withdrawing troops and striving to negotiate a peace agreement, the Communist Hanoi regime did not slow down any of its attacks.
@@stephensczurek6286 I agree with that. It seems that the North became willing to negotiate after the full force of our Air Force and Navy was thrown at them in December of ‘72, with over 100 B-52’s in the action.
One of his books I bought at the Nixon library and museum was Real Peace: No more Vietnams, in which he wrote “we won the war (with the Paris agreement) , but lost the peace” (with the fall of Saigon of course). Very true.
As an English teenager at the time of Nixon's resignation , I always found it funny that he wss forced to resignation due to corrupt practices, when his far more corruption predecessor Johnson simply got away with it. Perhaps it was all down to Mr Hoover no longer being around to Bury these matters.
Obam and Biden's administration outright say they are spying and nobody cares. Seems the common theme is as long as you follow the establishments orders it doesn't matter.
South Vietnam is still there. No matter what.
Loving ya'lls work. It is time for Nixon to get his second look
So hard to say "woulda.coulda.shoulda". No man changed the USA more than Richard Nixon both ways. We can just sit back and ponder what could of happened.
We lost so much credibility around the world because of that war. We should have provided air support and not cut the arms funding.
You can blame the Iranian hostage situation and 9/11 because of Vietnam.
Our enemies saw us as weak and ineffective after those escapades
Your comment makes no sense. Nixon did not lose credibility because of the war, the feckless Congress lost credibility. Nixon was long gone by time congress failed to live up to the promises made to the S. Vietnamese. So repercussions in Iran and 9/11 are not Nixon’s fault but the weak Democrat Congressional leadership.
Yes , Nixon would have sent in military to save S. Vietnam . Then Carter have pulled them out and lost war
I doubt he would of actually recommitted massive US ground troops. What he would of done is unleash mass US air power against the NVA and North Vietnam. So bombing of North Vietnam proper and tactical strikes against NVA moving into South Vietnam. Knowing that the US had their backs, there is no doubt the South Vietnamese would of fought harder like they did in 1968 and 1972.
Nixon might have resumed bombings but that alone doesn't break well or win. It didn't in WW2 or Korea either. Bomb and take and hold areas.
@@RS-rj5shsth vietnam it was their war their homeland viet vet quote sth viet army were lame we didnt trust them aust opinion same why no usa viet war movie mention sth viet army where were they cowards
@@RS-rj5shit had nothing to do with fighting harder. It had to do with democrats cutting off ammunition and fuel that was promised to them. If you think you can fight the combined forces of Russia and China with no bullets or gas go for it…
It was Ford in 1975 when South Vietnam fell, Carter didn't become the president until 1977.
Short answer yes
Short answer: No. Looking back it, however, the entry of Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians, etc. have been a boon to the United States. They have enriched American life. That said, those brave people would have preferred not to flee their homeland for sure.
Fool usa now has baked in acceptance of 👽 refugees ? Millions destroying your nation today millions
truth
The more I read about the Vietnam War and this whole political era, the more it becomes clear that Nixon was railroaded by his political opponents.
When Nixon announced the mining of Haiphong harbor, I was stunned speechless because it was so obviously somthing we should have done in 1965. Nixon's biggest mistake wasn't Watergate...it was conceding the 1960 election
I served as a medical corpsman in Vietnam (31 May 1967 - 31 May 1968). Eight months before the Tet Offensive of 1968. The wounded grunts were demoralized and had it with the war well before Tet. They said the war couldn’t be won. Of course, I’ve read commenters who stated we should have invaded North Vietnam. They’ve probably been civilians all their lives. Sure, invade North Vietnam, and we would have probably have to fight Red China again as we did in the Korean War. And China had a nuclear arsenal by that time. As far as this issue about the boat people. Most of them were ethic Chinese. Native born Vietnamese of all political persuasions had a deep animus against the Chinese. China had occupied Vietnam for a thousand years. And Chinese nationals are born entrepreneurs and capitalists. They bribed Vietnamese soldiers and smugglers with thin strips of gold they traditionally save for a rainy day. That rainy day came with the fall of Saigon and they escaped with bribes and hid these thin strips of gold to start a new life in America. I’m glad so many made it to our shores. Nixon brought on his own demise because of Watergate. But ironically he was our last ‘’liberal’’ President. And I think his legacy and stature will only rise as the Watergate scandal and its divisive wounds recede with time.
The man speaks the truth
I would have been terrible if North Korea had dominated South Korea.... Not sure that much would be gained if South Vietnam was independent, the whole country has ended up kind of capitalist anyway
That is kind of true, however for 25 years from 1975 to 2000 Vietnam was an impoverished basket case. Also even though Vietnam today is economically capitalist the place isn't exactly free. The communist party still maintains an iron grip on most facets of life and if you step out of line you don't last very long.
@@RS-rj5sh I'm sure... But that might not have been a good reason to go to war.... After all Marco kept an iron grip on the Philippines, woe to you if you step out of line, but we didn't go to war with him
Two Koreas are much more terrible than a single Korea, even if communist. Imagine the resources that these two countries currently spend on their militaries used for something productive. The current credibility of North Korea comes from the fact that the South is a puppet of the United States. If North Korea had won, the regime wouldn't have turned so despotic and likely would have ended after the fall of the Soviet Union, or at least liberalized, like China.
Only moderately so like their friend and enemy China.
Vietnam as a whole country is doing 1000 times better than when it was split into two.
south vietnam would have seen development similar to south korea.
So your saying Vietnam in 2024 is doing better than the two Vietnams (at war with each other) in 1975....yeah if that I have no doubt. However, had South Vietnam of survived and prospered as a non communist capitalist nation there is every chance that it would of been the North that collapsed as people fled to the South for a better and freer life (think of Korea).
@@RS-rj5sh Vietnam is doing very very well, their economy is almost capitalist.
@@mikewest6569 That’s what most Westerners think and saw on the surface. If you look closer and deeper, the commie officials are only good at taking bribes, confiscating lands and businesses while grabbing political powers (game of thrones style). Look at the number of forced resignations of their appointed President, Prime minister, Party chiefs who held offices for about a year or so. These outsters rarely happened in the past, but have now becoming more routine due to scandals and power grabs.
They have failed miserably at running the country’s economy. They still owe huge debts to China for all of those military aids and men from the war, so they have to give away thousands of square miles of land at the northern border and yield fishing rights in north Vietnam water, and those Paracel islands so China built their naval bases and airstrips on them.
They rely on up to about 15 billion dollars sent by Vietnamese expatriates to their family in Vietnam every year. They have to award most construction projects to China.
@@mikewest6569just to quiet dissent like in China
There wouldn't have been boat people if Nixon hadn't undermined the peace negotiations in 1968. The war would've ended years earlier & several thousand young American boys would still be alive today.
When Nixon took over there were 560,000 American troops in Vietnam. Johnson and his democrat buddies did not want peace.
I like listening to Nixon's perspective but when he talks about Vietnam he just seems like your average neocon.
Racehorse Haynes could have and would have defended Nixon all the way to acquittal. Racehorse was quite expensive to hire. It would have been fine with me. Vietnam was the Death Valley of Asia.😮😮
Yes South Vietnam would still exist!
No mentio n in media or countless viet war movies of lack of south vietnamise army elan in fighting for and defending their nation not a scintilla of fighting spirit they were lame we didnt trust them qoute viet vet
The south suffered from weak leadership from the get-go and was unable to stand up an independent government strong enough to maintain independence. Nixion escalated things from 68 and made little progress by the end. It would have just dragged on like Afghanistan and Iraq.
Manuel quezon
And now we have a President who can't even complete a coherent sentence, doesn't even know where he is half the time and will more than likely get re-elected.
@jeepman1467 Joe Biden’s NOT going to get re-elected…Unless the numbers get fudged.
I hope not.
I love Vietnam!
The usa backed home chi mihn againts the Japanese in ww2.When the war ended ho chi mihn wrote to president Truman don't let the French come back assure our independence. if you do the usa can have bases in vietnam we will be your allie.Ho chi mihn relieved no reply from president Truman the French came back Ho chi mihn was forced to seek help from the soviets for assistance with independence. SO the usa could have had vietnam as a allie with out shot been fired another screw up by the usa government
If what you’re is true. Then that’s only because of President Truman, his administration happened long before Richard Nixon’s time in office.
The supported him only because he was against the Japanese.
@@Thunderchild-gz4gc no the usa could have had ho chi mihn on thier side from the end ww2 if president truman had replied to his letter and assured vietnams indepence and not let the french come back.The french came back so ho chi mihn was forced to seek help from the soviets Just another fuck up the usa does not want to admits along with all the foriegn policy disaster the usa has done like all the governments the usa has overtrown
Please read The Palace File by Dr. Nguyen Tien Hung. Letters and corres betweet Pr Nguyen Van Thieu and pr Nixon. Here you’ll get the full pic.
Yes but the north would be radioactive!
Well, frankly I think it's a question as to what was the level of resolve among the North Vietnamese. They seemed pretty hellbent on militarily crushing the South Vietnamese, with or without assistance from the Soviets or the Communist Chinese. If the U.S. stayed the course and kept a significant military footprint in South Vietnam (probably tens of thousands of troops), then MAYBE South Vietnam might still exist today.
The other thing to factor in is gauging the resolve of Americans to stay the course. By the early 70's the draft went from being a rite of passage for young men into something to be dreaded and avoided by any means, whether that was draft deferments, prison time, or just straight up fleeing the country. If Americans don't have clear and concise objectives as to what constitutes "victory" during wartime, then they tend to be reluctant to go to some faraway land to fight someone else's fight, especially once the body bags and coffins with US servicemen start to build up with little or nothing to show for it.
Honestly, I think the US was getting out of Vietnam no matter WHO was president, because the will to fight was fading from the American standpoint, especially given how the Tet Offensive turned out from a media perspective. Militarily, it was a US victory, but it was a messaging victory for the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong because it shattered the idea that a US victory in Vietnam was "just around the corner" and on the verge of completion. The sight of NVA/VC forces in Hue, Saigon and much of South Vietnam made the US think the communists were on the verge of taking everything all at once, and I think that made more and more Americans think "When is this war gonna be over? I wanna go home!" Just my two cents anyway.
I expect you would benefit from studying the internal politics of the then nation of North Vietnam. The resolve in the upper levels of the northern government was considerably weaker than is assumed by most.
There's no telling of success or failure playing the "what if" game, but it's easy to surmise that South Vietnam would have survived through a Nixon presidency. IF it could have survived until 1989, it's entirely possible that there would have been a unified Vietnam after that, just one slightly different.
Ironically, though there is limited political freedom in modern Vietnam, in a practical sense it does embrace free enterprise.
In the beginning the 30 year war was a Colonial war, and Ho chi min wanted support from America. But fear that France would not support Nato influenced the American position.
@andersfant4997 Ho was a die communist/ nationalist from the 1920s. He wanted no opposition or dissent.
@@Thunderchild-gz4gc Ho Chi Minh reached out to Truman in 1946, wanted support for independence. The US felt sympathy for Vietnam but they needed France on their side.
Also. The first assement from US Intelligence said that Ho Chi Minh was foremost a Nationalist. Cheers.
@@JD-tn5lz Weak and corrupt Civil society in the South. I dont think they had a chance. And as I write: The US should have acted differently after Ho Chi Minhs letter to Truman. It was a mistake to help the French, and later take over the conflict.
Sorry I’m confused. Didn’t the north Vietnamese win the war?
without proper economic means within communism, they shot their own foot. So, the plight from their citizens was inevitable, every time.
Yes they did but Nixon and co didn't like to deal with that reality.
Two years after the Paris Peace Agreement. Two years after the war was supposed to be over. North Vietnam made a new aggression, a new attack on South Vietnam two years after peace was declared. Hence it was a new war. America, weary of war and numbed by Watergate and the Energy Crisis, had no heart or spirit to go back and save South Vietnam. Thus, the Communist regime won in the end.
Orange County, California and SoCal in general benefited from the influx of Vietnamese boat people even if the initial event was the fall of South Vietnams government. It would have happened eventually.
There was nothing inevitable about it. Were Nixon to have remained in office, he would have resumed bombing of the north once communist aggression resumed. The north knew this and would never have dared tempt fate.
Furthermore, if Nixon retained the presidency till late 1976, the RVN would have built up even further, both economically and militarily, allowing it to develop into an advanced nation like South Korea.
There wouldn't have been any boat people because they wouldn't have needed to flee their country. Instead of living in California, they'd be living in gleaming towers overlooking Saigon and in the newly constructed Westmoreland City.
By 1990 the Soviets would have run out of money to prop up the north. The Ho Chi Min trail would once again become active, but this time with refugees seeking a better life in the south.
Now usa programmed to accept millions of 👽 refugees because of viet exodus your nations in big big trouble
@RaptorFromWeegee viet vet quote sth viet army were lame we didnt trust them we had a few as kit carson scouts australia the same they didnt fight for their country cowards ? Hi from australia
Not only would South Vietnam exist, I'll just bet that Nixon would have been able to convince the Communists to come over to our side!
Off-course not!
Saigon would likely have fallen anyway once his successor had taken office in 1977 had Nixon completed his term. As soon as Nixon would've left, Le Duan would've commenced the same offensive that he ultimately did in 1975 on whoever had taken Nixon's place.
It may have given us some time to recover.
Soviet Union did support North. However, Russia itself hadn't supported the war (weak economy). If South would be able to defend itself till 1980s then it could be survived when the Soviet Union was collapsed
Not necessarily. The South Vietnamese military was getting stronger and more proficient. Hanoi knew this, they in fact had given themselves a deadline, they needed to crush South Vietnam by 1978 or they believed Saigon would have become strong enough to survive. As the military and economic aid from the US began to be cut in late 1973 and then completely stopped in 1975 Hanoi didn't need to wait any longer. Saigon was effectively forced to fight a "poor man's war", a war they were never going to win against an NVA groaning under the weight of Soviet and Chinese military aid.
well it is 2024 and i believe Vietnam is just 1 country....there is no north or south like there is in Korea!
“Political risk” that says a lot if you think about it. The US and probably most NATO country’s make war and peace decision with “political risk” as a huge part of the decision making. That’s what’s scary about Putin and the guy from North Korea or the regime in Iran. They don’t have “political risk.” They’re working on pure human emotion, which is akin to a road rage reaction….they don’t care about consequences…much, no?
This man had a cristal ball
He wouldn't have been removed by the Senate.
Compared to Trump, NIxon was Mr Rogers
East Pakistan became Bangladesh when Nixon was in office. 😂😂😂
Bragging about bombing people under guise of a political risk
South Vietnam would be a very wealthy nation had it survived.
Nixon always wins
The what if stance is moot.Who knows what would have continued on regarding Vietnam.
Probably more unwanted death..destruction world wide political hassles and disdain.let alone the vibe shaking long and hard in The Good Old USA against the War.If we would've went hard charging and really took The North Vietnamese and their allies out and quit playing political games South Vietnam at the very least would probably have been it's own country.
God knows we would be with a huge military presence there to this day...and skirmish after skirmish forever ..The draft would have been reestablished and probably remained until total victory in that region came to be. At what cost and for what?
Nothing against helping those we can but how much more could our own nation put up with in this.Nixon couldn't answer in reality what he would have done and it should be left alone at that
Yes, because Jerald Ford was a wossie!
Nixon had a fundamental misreading of the situation. The Southern government was a propped up leftover of French colonialism with the same limited support that similar colonial governments in Africa and the Middle east had. The only other faction that had broad support from the people was the royal family, it was really them or the communists since ww2, but would also require removing all French forces. The royals were tied to remnants of the French which needed to be removed to give that faction the internal legitimacy needed. US should have pushed for reunification under a democracy and acknowledged the communists as legitimate, or supported the royals to take control back and supplied arms while keeping any foreign forces out. A faction could be supplied foreign weapons, but any faction working with foreign troops was bound to fail.
It's great that you're well-indoctrinated, but horrible that you believe you're well-informed.
I suggest you take a deep dive into the internal politics of North Vietnam. Study from more than one professor and read actual academics regarding it, first hand sources...nothing that was on any NYT bestsellers list meant for mass consumption.
No more than the Fascists of Spain would have won without German and Italian support, no more than North Korea would have survived without Chinese support, Americans would have gained independence without French/Spanish/Dutch support would the North Vietnamese have held on to victory without Soviet support.
It's usually fantasical to believe that grass roots revolutionary movements have an ice cube's chance in hell in triumphing over a well-supported established government if they don't have outside assistance.
If South Vietnam had held on until the fall of the USSR, which is a distinct possibility if they had survived through 1976, it's entirely likely there would still be a divided Vietnam, or a peacefully reunited Vietnam of very slightly different flavor than what there is now.
Expand your reading list. Greatly.
@@JD-tn5lz there is every chance that if South Vietnam had survived that it would of been the North that ultimately either collapsed (after their main patron the USSR collapsed) or via a good part of their population fleeing Southwards for a better life. It may of ended up as Saigon "reunifying" Vietnam under a non communist system. This or North Vietnam surviving as a "Hermit Kingdom" like North Korea.
No
No. Nixon had long bowed to the Communists.
Looking forward to the interview where Nixon is asked about his role in the coup de tat against democratically elected President Allende of Chile
that would've been pinochet's coup d'etat. whereby Nixon would've remained neutral ; since, Allende was the President elect and Nixon's only needed option was to stop the spread of communism worldwide
Also looking forward to the interview where Obama is asked about his role in the coup d'état against democratically elected President Yanukovych of Ukraine in 2014.
And Nixon Was A Crook....?..Let's Ask Ole Joe❤
Nixon was brilliant in foreign policy.…..got out of Viet nam…….that’s why they got him out…..that’s why Jack got wacked……follow the money …..
Hopelessly corrupt then as is now.
Nixon was vice president under eisenhower in 1954
Who didnt help french at
Dienbienphu!
Different time. The Domino theory was not such a big concern. And the war in Indochina was viewed as a fight against colonialism👍
Ridgeway persuaded eisenhower not to commit
To another Asian war after ceasefire in korea
Even lbj agreed but in 1964
Changed his mind and the rest is history!
I was a teenager and listened to the final days of Dienbienphu. It came through on shortwave, english language around 6pm, direct from the battlefield. The final broadcast was done during a live assault in french on the bunker in real time, and I heard the yelling, shouts, explosions, and small arms firing inside the bunker, and the radio going dead. I sat there for a long time, in complete silence, and shock at what I had heard.
But you are wrong, Americans did a lot of Air lift and Air Drops to Dien Bien Phu.
American civilian crews did assist
One was shot down near the
Besieged camp!
Better question: Would America still exist if Nixon had stayed in office? Presidents cannot be immune from prosecution when they have committed crimes.
Every other president is immune so why is Nixon not?
@@CivilizedWasteland No President is immune.
Biden now can not even come anywhere near to answering a question as well as Pres. Nixon did in this interview. Sad fact is Biden is no longer able to think well enough to be even I think alone in a house . I think Biden is at the point now that he requires 24 hour supervision , No person should be allowed to remain in office when they are that bad off . Sure at times Biden sounds much better then other times . His state of the union address this year was not terrible . Still at other times I really do think the man does not even know he is president . One of the questions on a mental ability test is WHO IS THE PRESIDENT . Come on man if your the president and you get that question wrong then game over test over it's all over . Time for the rocking chair and pretty nurses
Nixon could have saved Iran and South Vietnam. Also he could have stopped red Khmers in Cambodia. His resignation was the greatest loss for the free world!
He forgot to mention the bombing of Cambodia’s border which started the rise of Pol Pot and his gang of thugs which went on to kill over 5 million innocent Cambodians…,
The bombing of Cambodia began in 1965 under Johnson.
@@terrydizzydude4087 Not the breathe and scope Nixon did it with…not even close and you know it. Johnson’s was on the Ho-trail that sometimes got into Cambodia. Nixon was saturation bombing the interior of Cambodia and Laos.
@@Bradydog-in7ut The Cambodian civil war that led to Pol Pot's rise to power began in 1967 but, yeah, let's blame that on Nixon too while we're at it.
@@terrydizzydude4087 Thete was a coup, back by The CIA, to get Cambodia’s leader Seenook out of office, so let’s not play loose and fast with history….in 1967, Cambodia didn’t have a thousand Communist in it. America was afraid because Seeanook was visiting China and the Soviet Union.
Strong, forceful, resolute……
The US occupation of Vietnam failed. To succeed, the occupiers must both maintain their own interest in a long occupation and convince an occupied population to accept extended control by a foreign power. More often than not, occupiers either fail to achieve those goals, or they achieve them only at a high cost.
The US never "occupied" Vietnam. We were trying to help the South from being conquered.
@@redcat9436 And to save them from themselves because they were not Christians.
evidently the Americans, by their law, had been prevented to return to the battlefield, in Vietnam, and as such the south fell...
American troops absolutely dominated the communists in combat. The communists won and took over the south only years after American troops had left and by then the war in the states was too unpopular.
Sth viet army were lame we didnt trust them australia same opinion didnt fight for their country cowards ?
What happened was after Nixon left the Dem run Congress Stopped all aid to SVN. Pres. Ford could not sway them to help, and as time went by the ARVN forces began to get weaker. Then the NVA invaded again, and things fell apart without our air support
@@richardmeo2503 Even Nixon knew South Vietnam was a lost cause. He and Kissinger allowed North Vietnamese troops to remain on South Vietnamese soil as part of the treaty they endorsed.
The American public would not allow a return to Vietnam. We were sick and tired of our children returning home in plastic bags stuffed in metal boxes.
Nhìn cái tên của ông tui biết chua chát cở nào
CIA set him up with Watergate
I was surprised there was a nixon fan channel like this (I dont know much about him besides the obvious) then I remembered the fanatics around old 45
Why don't you shut up and watch and you might learn something
But if there were no boat people we would not have Sri Racha sauce in USA.
Viet vet quote sth viet army we didnt trust them they were lame australia same opinion
Asked any still living US advisors to the S. Vietnamese paratroopers, rangers and marines. According to these officers, the S. Vietnamese troops were heroic, brave and valiant despite being outnumbered and outgunned. It's unfortunate that many Americans still believe in the American press like the NY Times that was fed communist lies and propaganda.
no. the problem was the SVN would never fight
To answer the title: not likely. The Vietnam War was simply too divisive here in the United States and elsewhere, every president from Truman to Nixon knew that the situation was untenable, but rather than admit defeat, they kept turning up the pressure until we eventually just gave up.
Truman started our involvement in 1950 because of the Cold War context.
@Thunderchild-gz4gc Yeah, he was the main proponent of the Domino Theory, the belief that if one country in Southeast Asia fell to Communism, eventually the whole region would become Communist. The Korean War set the tone for US military involvement in Asia without taking into consideration the interests of the native populations, whether they even wanted foreign intervention in the first place.
Unfortunately, North Vietnam had already won the war when Nixon took office and it was just a question of time before south Vietnam would collapse.
Despite some shortcomings, he was one bright guy.
I thought he was set up. He was a good president.
USA lost Vietnam war lol
America did win the Cold war though.
I tell you what….Nixon is a 1000x better than Trump. That morron can’t even read, but this was a very intelligent man. I wish we had him today!
2024 isnt 1973
@@Eric-kn4yn …and yet he predicted in 1973 EXACTLY what is happening now in 2024. Funny, huh?
Funny you say that, Trump is not currently the President, he reads just fine. Joe Biden cannot read or articulate any sentence but keep bashing Trump for your own defiencies.
@@Eric-kn4ynare you certain? The more things change the more they stay the same
The biggest mistake America made was not to have charged Nixon, try him and imprison him. Had that happened, we would not have had Trump or anyone else. Biggest mistake!
Nixon was so over rated. His paranoia destroyed
Why did his paranoia allow homosexual special rights ?
He wasn't no Trump supporter !
A war criminal who tries in vain to present himself as a philanthropist.
No