In-store Sessions: pH Stability --- Gallery Aquatica TV
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- We are in the store with Ania - one of our professional Aquarists and resident Marine Biologists learning all about the chemistry of managing and preventing pH fluctuations in your Marine Aquarium.
What is pH? Exactly why does pH decrease? How do we raise and maintain pH?
All the answers are right here in this episode!
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Don't know how I missed this video years ago. Glad I saw this now though!
If only Ania could have explained this to me years ago. Fantastic lesson for us that are not biologist or chemist. Much easier to understand Ania's explanation. Thank you! 💗🧜♀️
Thank you Larie. I was nervous as to how to articulate this information to a Reefing audience which inevitably spans from beginner to experienced.
Best PH video I've seen. 👍
Santiago Reefing thank you so much for taking the time to comment. Ania enjoys talking water chemistry almost as much as coral and is super passionate about pH. ☺️
Love the information and please do a video on chaetomorpha algae!
Gary Baldwin cheers for the comment ! Thank you so much for watching. Chaetomorpha video is definitely on the cards; Botany is another of Ania’s favourite topics ☺️
Wow now that is what I call a educational video thanks for the lesson
david hughes you’re very welcome David. Thank you so much for taking the time to comment such positive feedback. Ania is really passionate about water chemistry. 😊
Thank You for Gracing my Existence, Anya
Great video on pH!
Loaded with useful information! Thanks for including some information about pK as that helps to put some puzzle pieces in place when thinking about pH and buffers.
Awesome and detailed explanation on ph in the marine aquarium! Thank you for sharing!
Love these biology/chemistry lessons... people often underestimate how crucial pH is.
J B thank you. I completely agree!
Good job.
I use the reverse lighting schedule for my fuge and a DIY recirculating Co2 scrubber that I have attached to my skimmer air intake. The airline intake for the skimmer is from the lid of the skimmer cup that runs through the Co2 scrubber, so the air to the skimmer has a lower Co2 level since it is already scrubbed. I also have a solenoid valve T’d off the same line to ambient air. The Ph probe then opens and closes the valve via the controller to basically turn on or off the Co2 scrubber to nail the Ph.
I dont like the buffer media’s, they seem to cause more trouble than they are worth.
battyjoe that’s great info and advice, thank you so much sharing your experience.
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge in an easy to understand way. It’s very helpful. Enjoy summer as we head into winter in the northeast US.
Lisa Ryan thank you so much. As much as I enjoy talking water chemistry, pH is not exactly an easy topic to articulate in a fun manner. :)
Yeah, I'm going to give the marine buffer a go in my auto top off reservoir. Hopefully it yields good results because my pH hasn't gone above 7.8. I may just dose it for the consistency idk yet.
after 4 months finally usefull vid about ph, i'll try seachem in my ato, thanks dziękuje :) Ania
Paweł Płocki Dziekuje bardzo za pozytywny komentarz Paweł ! ☺️
Awesome informative video. Thank you so much. It was delivered in a way that allows us without a biology degree to understand. Love this channel! Keep up the great work 👍
Davis Wodo thank you so much for your kind words. We were definitely trying for sharing the complicated parts of information without omitting or generalising too much and on the other end trying to avoid overwhelming people. There’s a lot to say when chatting about marine chemistry because as much as we would all like it to be simplified, there are just so many factors at play in our home ecosystems ;)
The knowledge she has is amazing
Thank you for your kind words!
I have been obsessed with reef biology and chemistry for many years. Feel grateful to be able to share the knowledge with others this way :)
Great video 👍 love to hear about cheato in a reactor
Merci Ania pour cette vidéo !!!
Thank you Guy! 😊
Great video! I learnt alot today thank you
This is what I needed.never seen such a good explanation anywhere else
Thank you for watching and leaving such an encouraging comment Sooraj, you are very kind. Happy Reefing! Ania 😁
@@GalleryAquaticaTV 👍
Learning every time Thank you Ania 👍
Awesome segment!
Christopher Flores thank you so much for watching!
I would be very interested to see a follow up video on get Max from chaeto. Thanks for another great video!
Jay S we definitely have it on the “up and coming topics” list. Another of Ania’s favourite topics are talking Botany ☺️
Great video! As a new reefer this was super informative. I've heard so much about the importance of PH but have not known how to tackle this.
sts thank you so much for watching and taking the time to leave this comment. It really means so much to me to know we have been able to help share the information :)
I love you guys and your educational approach! However, dear Ania and Cam, as a teacher, I must say your lack of visual aid is a missed opportunity :) How about a small whiteboard you can draw on? Or just some printouts. e.g. the pK value could use a graph. Even I had to replay parts for clarity :D
I think the lack of visual aids was my fault, I kinda threw Ania under the bus asking her to do a video at the last minute. A whiteboard is a great idea, we’ll definitely take this advice on board. Cam
@@GalleryAquaticaTV oh poor Ania. :D Thanks for the lesson! I'll definetely look into full spectrum buffers :)
Have to agree Cam. Pictures are worth a thousand words. Although it's obvious you and Ania know what you are talking about it's easy to lose me at times ;). Congrats to Ania for an informative video however.
Thank you so much for this feedback, I completely agree. It’s a whole lot easier to explain Chemistry and biological cycles on paper!
Ania
@@GalleryAquaticaTV and thank you for sharing!
This was great information! I had no idea RODI water was acidic! My pH hovers around 8.03-8.05 night and day, from what I’ve seen when I check it. Once in a while it’s at 8.15-ish. I use the Pinpoint pH monitor that has a probe, and I check it every night before I go to bed and generally once at some point in the day. I’m going to start checking it in the mornings, see where it sits. I use several methods of elevating pH: reverse light cycle with a huge mat of dense Chaeto, a constantly running air stone in my sump below the protein skimmer (Holy Salt Creep Batman!) attached to an air pump beside an open window, an air line from outside into my protein skimmer, and as much surface turbulence as I can generate while still maintaining the flow I need in the tank. I also recently started dosing kalkwasser. All of these things, as I added them, increased the pH a little bit. And now, I think I’ll look into adding the Seachem buffer into my RODI top up reservoir, putting a tiny bit in every time I refill it. Lol, I’ll let you know how it goes! Thank you Ania! 👍🏻👍🏻
Hi! And thank you so much for taking the time to share your methods in this wonderful comment.
RODI being 7.0 with 0 Buffering capacity is “Acidic” in comparison to desired Marine water at 8.25 ;)
So we use the same dose of Marine buffer 5g / 80L when we fill up the reservoirs and our pH stays at 8.3 year round. But have had positive results using even less than 5g/80L of Marine buffer to RODI, the theory there being there must have been adequate ionic balance in the main display for it to not require as much buffer to maintain equilibrium that week. :)
Being aware of it is the first step. Sometimes we are topping up with comparatively large volumes of RODI, if our natural tests high.
Right! pH of 7 is actually neutral but that makes it more acidic than is desirable for marine water. 👍🏻👍🏻 Thank you for that clarification. I forgot to mention, I also employ micro bubble scrubbing using outside air, for two hours every night between midnight and 2 am. 😁
I'm learning so much from you I thank you for the information please keep the videos coming
Thank you so much for watching and leaving the positive comment. Happy Reefing! Ania
Thank you Anya! that was a really, really interesting video! 😀👍
paul deacon thank you so much for the positive feedback. I was pretty nervous about filming this one because I feared I wouldn’t be capable of articulating the important points in an easy enough way to understand for beginners and or cover the more technical facts for experienced Hobbyists who crave more advanced explanation.
Great video I learned a little about PH Thank you. But why are so many people against useing a
PH buffer. I have never used it my self just wondering why. Thanks again fora great video
I have heard people think the Borate/boron in the buffer "tricks" the test kit into reading 8.3. But as Ania explained water chemistry is like a fruit salad, by having a more complete salad is the test actually being tricked or is it reflecting a better fruit bowl? I cant vouch for the level of education by those that think it a "trick" but I do know seachem put a lot of science and research (which is readily available) behind the pk/kh research.
Thanks for the positive comment Jeff.
I believe there are a few factors at play as to some resistance to use of buffers by reefers within the community.
Firstly, there are probably some inferior products on the market labeled “pH buffer”. Some even contain phosphate which is highly undesirable for Reef Aquaria. Some people may have have experienced fast uncontrolled fluctuations by using them which scare them.
It’s also possible that pH data and testing is being undertaken too soon after the addition of the buffer, skewing someone’s perception of the product’s performance. And lastly, perhaps because the best (blends of) buffers tend to be higher price, this alone can cause people to believe it isn’t a necessary cost for Reefing success.
IMO - If even to promote benefits of growing coralline to naturally prevent disassociation of live rock to release trapped phosphates , there are just so many encouraging reasons to identify elevate and maintain pH levels that we feel it’s certainly worthwhile. 😊
Ania
Joshua W that Seachem article was so enjoyable to read, is deemed a bit heavy by some but I think it covers incredibly valid points.
@@GalleryAquaticaTV I liked it.
@@GalleryAquaticaTV thank you for explaining.
Outstanding presentation, thank you.
Thank you for watching :)
Awesome! Thank you 🙂
Thank you so much and thanks for watching :)
Mind blown💥, such a great and informative video, top class Ania 👌
Leigh White thank you so much for watching Leigh. Makes us so happy we could help share this important information. Cheers for taking the time to leave such a positive comment.
Ania 😊
⚘thank you Anneia!
Thank you so much for watching ☺️
Great video, even though i am dead against the use of PH buffering products in reef tanks.
dito
Well I'd say depends what you use. I mean it usually raises alk and does what it's supposed to do. But folks adding 2 part n then following up with a buffer for ph and not allowing the 2part to balance out I could see a prob. However I by no means know it all. But that's my understanding. Interested in why you would be dead against it. I don't use it myself as my 2part and chato do alright. I do have anywhere from.2-.4 swing every night tho. Usually drops from 8.3 to 8.0 but like 8.07 or something. I dose at night and morning by hand and that's all I need. But still interested in learning more. Lol I'm a jukie with saltwater so yea
So informative 👏 👌 👍🏻 🙌 😀 didn't know the importance of pch ,haven't keep up with it but know I'm going to be on top of it 👍🏻 😉, no wonder my corals haven't done well and my fish 😀 😉 😄 👍🏻.
Very infornative video . I wish it were summertime here. Only 22 degrees F this afternoon brrr
G Sander brrr indeed! Not exactly sure of the conversion rates but this week has already been up at 35 degrees Celsius and Summer is still months away!
G Sander edit: 35 C is 95 Fahrenheit 🥵
I like it hot 🥵 100 with high humidity is for me. Hope to make to Australia some day and if i do would love to stop and see your store. Enjoy the videos some of the best on RUclips
Yes, chaetomorpha algae video would be great.
Hey Ania, would love to see a chaeto specific video. Fairly new to reef keeping and I do have some that I keep in a section of my sump with a dedicated light running during the night-time hours, but it hasn't had any growth in the month or more it's been there. Must be doing something wrong!
Hi! My first thought is a trac element deficiency. We use a great Chaeto fertiliser here called Chaeto Gro by Continuum
No matter what i do i cant keep above 8.0, mind you my alk is 9, i live in nyc and its winter now so windows open aint an option. Also idk where to throw the airline of the skimmer since there is no hole outside unless i place it next to the door somehow lol. I even went as far as having the refeugium light on at night when the DT is off, and the refugium light off when the DT is on.
Excellent content some really useful info, thank you for sharing 👍
Blinkyfish thank you so much for taking the time to comment such positive feedback.
Your channel has quickly become one of my favourites 😍
I don't chase PH and I have amazing polyp extension, coloration, and growth in my reef tank. It sits at 7.8. I have tried getting it up by creating surface tension by putting 2 powerheads at the surface of the water as well as the outlet and I took that 2 steps further and added a wooden airstone to the sump as well as an airline directly from outside. None of that moved my PH at all. This is on a tank that has 3 small fish and is nowhere near overstocked. The only thing I have not done is dose buffers such as Kalkwasser. With that said, I have not done so because my corals are vibrant and healthy as well as my fish. I don't dose anything and my tank stays at 9 Alk, 440 Calc, 1350 Magnesium, 5-10 Nitrates and .07 Phosphate. All of that is achieved through only doing a 10-20% water change once a week.
Thanks for sharing your story Travis. I’m so glad you feel your aquarium inhabitants aren’t suffering from your acidic parameters.
We aren’t here to debate - We’re here to help!
At 7.8 your water conditions would even be promoting the disassociation of Calcium carbonate of your beneficial coraline algae and the bound phosphates within it and your live rock (if you use that), versus the desired effect of growing beneficial coraline algae to help lock it up.
A lack of dosing is a sure indication of decreased skeletal growth.
Have you tried a CO2 scrubbing media on your skimmer intake such as made by TLF or ATI?
Kalkwasser - Calcium hydroxide - in a saturated solution has a pH of 12-12.5 and for this it’s use can promote dramatic (unfavourable) pH swings. I would suggest (especially if you use bicarbonate as your KH source) that if you’re going to trial heading down the path of relying on buffers to maintain pH stability to at least consider and try the Seachem Marine buffer, even if only added to your RODI.
@@GalleryAquaticaTV I don't run a skimmer. This is on a nano tank that gets weekly water changes. I also don't use Kalkwasser or dose anything as my paramaters stay good with regular water changes. My Alk sits at 9, Calcium at 440, Magnesium at 1350, Nitrates between 5 and 10, Phosphates at .07.
The reason I do not dose Kalkwasser is because I have heard it messes with your other paramaters such as Alk. I don't have an Alk problem or any other problem as my paramaters are good already for a LPS and Soft Coral tank so I am hesitant to try things like Kalkwasser.
I heard that the Seachem does this same thing. I don't know if that is true or not but if it is, I would prefer to not do that when everything in my tank is doing good. Maybe you can answer that.
And when I say that this is on a nano tank, I mean a 13.5 gallon nano so hooking up a ton of equipment to it such as skimmers, Co2 Scrubbers, Zeovit Reactors etc. etc etc., does not make a whole lot of sense.
Welcome to Ania school 💪
Haha thank you for joining us 🥰
Thanks for your tips 😊
Cheers! I’m a big fan of elevated pH!
Ania
Awesome info
Cheers! Glad to have the chance to help!
Happy Reefing! Ania
Very informative and educative videos like alweys! Congrats Garely Aquatica TV! Can you make a video of how to "convince/educate/fool" some fishes to eat ours prepared foods, as I have a Coperband Butrefly that don't want to eat anything, i have planty aptesya (unfortunatly) but hi don't want toucht it eather...i tried reef masstick no luck.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for the comment.
We find our Copperbands to be generally very shy and timid fish, but all will totally relish Aiptasia anemone if present. Have you checked your pH? Fish appetite is also relative to high pH :)
Birleanu Cezar one of our friends uses live (freshwater nematodes) black worm placed into pippi shells to trick their Copperband to eat them. Perhaps you could try something like that?
My Ph is 7.95 now. Let's hope hi will start eating the Aiptasia at least.
Great video
Thank you! Means a lot to us that you took the time to leave a positive comment 😊
Great video I have my co2 scrubber connected to tunze 9004. Keep having problems with my ph I check my ph is 8.4 week later is on 7.8 ? I used aquavitro balance to raise the ph. My home doesn't have much air coming through since I work all day. Any tips ?
That was one excellent Chemistry class
Thank you for watching!
Gallery Aquatica TV if I had teachers like this at school I would have learnt so much more
Your amazing
Thanks for watching Dave! Happy Reefing
Thanks for the informative video, but aren't all buffers just a very temporary measure that aren't good long term? I will take on the tip re rodi water though, that makes perfect sense
simmo56able I think it definitely depends on the quality of the buffer in question. At the end of the day Carbonates end up also contributing to building coraline algae, coral skeletons and invertebrate skeletons. The elements within the buffers are also beneficial to reef inhabitants in general ie. I dose Boron regularly to increase reds in the SPS tank.
Once ionic balance is achieved everything else kind of falls into place. We haven’t had to dose any more into Cam’s giant DT for over 3 years, other than into the RODI reservoir.
@@GalleryAquaticaTV hi again Ania, I must admit to thinking about this question of buffering RODI water all day and after some research I don't think I'll be going down that path. In the following article by Randy Holmes-Farley he suggests it not necessary or even a good idea to buffer RODI. reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-05/rhf/index.htm#8
How do you use seachem marine buffer? can you make a video of it?
Han Thi thanks for the question.
First up, test pH and KH. Then measure out 5g per 80 L of the buffer. Mix well with a few cups of RO. Place in sump area of high flow. Wait a few hours - up to 24. Test pH.
You may want to turn off your KH dosing for a day or so (our daily draw is about 1.4-1.8 dkH depending on the system so less than one day is all we would require)
Instructions on the jar state initial dose may require to be repeated if ionic balance is not achieved from one dose (this is rare but can happen).
From here on in we only add buffer to the RODI.
Ania
Great vid Ania 🙌
Matt Bates thank you so much for watching. Means a lot to us :)
@@GalleryAquaticaTV it was a great segment, love watching this stuff when I finally get a free minute, keep it up, would love to see more.
New reefer here, just wondering, I've seen a few videos from various sources, and they didn't seem to keen on using PH buffers, I forget the specific reasons, but they advocated against it. Would you still recommend the use of PH buffers? Or would kalkwasser be a better option? Thanks in advance.
Hey Ania Nerowski have you made the cheato morpha talk yet? My ph is so low, I will endeavour to tackle suggestions in this video 🙂 and search/troll your videos 🤣
Hi Kerry, we haven’t made the video yet! We allocated a day to it once, and couldn’t get the camera gear / angles right to get the flow going so we canned it and went with a different idea. We have better gear now and I still really want to do it, we will one day :)
Ania mentioned about a trick of using RO+seachem marine buffer solution as top-off water. How do you make this top-off solution?
It contains borate. Will it raise B element?
It contains a lot more than just Borate, I just used that molecule as one example to represent the idea that it isn’t simply bicarbonate and why bicarbonate does not and will not be capable to produce the same result . In saying that our ATO is 90L so I add 5 grams (if even that) to the reservoir when we top it up.
I don’t think it contributes to an overall excessively elevated boron level because within the buffer the elemental role is occupied with holding pH.
I don’t manually dose boron daily as suggested by our choice in supplementation but do add it at full recommended dose manually whenever the red Acro and Monti doesn’t look as red as it should. :) we have bigger potential issues with trace element dosing because we use natural seawater daily to top up our coral selling tanks. ICP tests have never shown elevated Boron in our results.
It will also raise kh a little.right?
And there is other product named Seachem Reef Buffer 8.3. kind of confused of why seachem have two ph8.3 buffer products.
Really good information! I have never tested pH in my tank in 3 years... I probably should...
NATAL B REEFING it’s an easy one to add to the repertoire! And a good representation of the system overall.
C02 emissions are contributing to ocean acidification, and it’s important to monitor as summer approaches and we Aussies shut the windows are hibernate in Air conditioning and create our own mini reef acidification in our own homes ! ;)
Gallery Aquatica TV that’s compounded when you do it all day even when no one is home to accomodate your long coat german shepherd! 🤣
Exactly haha
How much does the buffer raise alkalinity? The problem that i have a nano tank and my corals don't consume enough dkh for me to be able to dose things that increase dkh.. my pH is awful . Between 7.4 and 7.8
It says on the bottle, A full tank dose will increase it by 1.25 dkH . Our daily draw is more than that in each system so all we do is turn off the alk dosing for 1 day. In your case if you are worried and want to work on it slowly just add the buffer to the RODI you use for topping up evaporation. It won’t fully fix the equilibrium imbalance but it will prevent it from getting much worse
So after being hesitant to use a buffer on a system that had perfect paramaters outside of a PH of 7.8, and after being told by this channel that was acidic even though they clearly state in the video that anything under 7 is acidic, and after being told by many other reefers to not use a buffer or it will raise my Alk, I decided to give the Seachem Buffer a try in my Auto Top Off as she advised in the video. Big mistake!!! I followed all directions and what happened was while my PH went up to 8.3, my Alkalinity shot up to 16. Everything in my tank started suffering to the point of dieing. My corals started going down hill, my inverts flipped themselves over and started going down hill, and my tank went south quick. Luckily I am very on top of my tank and took emergency action to save everything. I ended up doing so while only losing one coral. It took a full month to get my Alkalinity back to it's normal level of 9. You can't change your Alkalinity fast, it must be done slowly. And I was lucky to only lose one coral. This was on a tank that was beautiful and was having zero issues. I had Coraline all over my rock, invert shells etc.. My corals were beautiful, thriving, and growing. My advice is to not use a buffer to raise your PH from 7.8-8.3 when your tank paramaters are great outside of PH and everything is healthy and thriving. I made the mistake of listening to this and paid the price.
You must have used the wrong buffer (there are several very similar) or massively overdosed. Get on top of that pH and your tank will come back😊 Cam
Travis Kibel did you use Seachem Marine buffer? Blue Label?
Here’s the published Science behind why what you say simply can’t be possible by using Seachem Marine Buffer:
www.seachem.com/downloads/articles/Marine-Water-pH-Control.pdf
@@GalleryAquaticaTV I used the same exact buffer. I don't care what the science says as I know what it did. My tank was running beautifully. The second I stopped using it my tank started to recover and my Alkalinity started dropping back to normal levels. And no, I did not overdose it.
If you’re sure it was the same buffer and you didn’t massively overdose it, then the alk spike HAS to be caused from something else. Either that or you got a false reading on your alk test. Cam
@@GalleryAquaticaTV I know my reading was correct because I used 3 different test kits. And I know the product was correct too.
I also document everything on this tank, everyday, throughout the day. This tank is monitored and tested daily. The only change that was made was adding the PH Buffer. And the correct dosage was used.
I have been warned by other reefers not to add a PH Buffer. I also have been told to do so by some. So, I decided to run my own experiment by using the stuff to find out for myself rather than just listen to people. The reality is, it worked by raising my PH while messing up my Alkalinity, and had a very negative effect on the tank and everything in it.
My tank is now back to thriving without it and a PH of 7.8, which is what it was before starting this real life experiment.
Stupid question, but does running the refugium light 24/7 affect the day/ night ph stability benefits ?
It’s definitely not a stupid question, some people advocate for it. I feel I get better growth from the macro algae when I go 12 hours on, 12 hours off, but I think either way is good for pH balance. Cam
@@GalleryAquaticaTV You’re the man, Cam. Thanks for the reply!
This video makes me wonder if kalkwasser is not used in Australia
It’s certainly available in Australia but not as commonly used as Calcium chloride, Calcium Carbonate or Calcium gluconate. Though Kalkwasser can be cheaper and carries added benefits to being capable of decreasing phosphate concentration...
The main disadvantage of using Kalkwasser/ Calcium hydroxide that its pH of 12-12.5 (when in a saturated solution) can cause the pH to rise too quickly for the calcium concentration required to supplement the natural sea water we collect to our desired 440 ppm Ca.
Also, on a minor side note; is it rumoured Kalkwasser can contain traces of silicates, and we aren’t in a great position with the selling tanks to utilise our efforts trying to manage any kind of potential diatomaceous blooms.
I'm in Australia and use Kalkwasser and have done so for the past 4 years with 2 part dosing and swear by it, but it is hard to find in Australia I use the seachem stuff and it's great quality and leaves no residue.
Uglyman's Reefing we sell the Seachem Kalkwasser also, definitely find it to be a leading brand for Calcium hydroxide in Australia. So glad to hear your positive experience with it 😊
please do the chaeto video ania
Noel Valera A I’ve really been looking forward to a Chaetomorpha video for a while now. I rarely get a chance to film with Adam when the store is closed for trading (and I’m not stuck un-packing or packing out corals for freighting) so that’s the main reason for any hold ups.
Am super keen to relay some of the tips and observations we have successfully applied to accelerate our own Chaetomorpha growth to maximise an efficient natural system of exporting nutrients.
Ania
I want to talk reefs over a beer with this Sheila.
Kenny Green make that a Vodka - she is Polish after all - and that sounds like one of her favourite pastimes! 🤓😆
What's going on with the muthership build?
SPS mothership is on hold for a bit longer. We look forward to get it going but we have simply been far to busy of late. :)
@@GalleryAquaticaTV yeah definitely not enough hours in the day.
Ahh that's cool. Look forward to a updated video soon.
Keep up the great work and content.
P Hache
Here I come Aussies
7.8 in the morning, 7.8 in the evening and I cant reach 8 no matter what I add... 🤔🤔🙈🙈🏴🏴
DrOfWelshMagic have you tried the Seachem Marien buffer? Give it a go before you totally give up. Often all it takes is to reset your ionic balance 🤓
I think this advice is great, but messing with ph can be extremely dangerous and often times not worth chasing.