Tik Tok Turned Mental Illness into a qUirKy Trend... great
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Tik Tok Turned Mental Illness into a qUirKy Trend... great
Hey everyone welcome back to the channel! We're checking out tik tok today because I had someone reach out and mention that looking into tik tok's mental health content might make for a good topic! They weren't kidding there's definitely a lot of interesting stuff going on there that I feel like connects to a larger issue the internet seems to have when it comes to talking about mental illnesses that I thought we could look into. Honestly feels like the same "repeating of internet history" we saw with the "i'm not like other girls" trend on there but now it's the oversimplifying and romanticization of mental illness... great.
I'm sure if you've been online you've seen some "signs you had ADHD/depression/anxiety" videos or maybe saw the recent "getting the chills means you have anxiety" tweet that got a ton of traction last week. Either way it feels like you can't escape this kind of content these days and it definitely reminds me a LOT of tumblr back in the day where you had people over simplifying illnesses and disorders to the point where anyone could watch a video and convince themselves they had whatever illness the video was talking about. which is kind of scary considering that tik tok is a lot more popular and accessible to young kids and I feel like we're still seeing the effects that tumblr had on teenagers during the mid 2010's so like... what's gonna happen to these kids now. The ability that app has to speedrun spreading misinformation is also super scary to consider in this situation too. And to make matters worse I feel like nowthe issue isn't even limited to mental illnesses anymore considering the (frankly strange) rise in people self diagnosing themselves with ibs of all things... lmao.
I thought we could check out some of the content for ourselves from ADHD tik tok as well as the general umbrella of mental illness content to see the ~implications~ of it all as well as why not only the content machine for it but also the more accepted "quirky" self deprecating versions of the same content are partly to blame. So if you're interested in watching some of the very weird mental health content tik tok has to offer and exploring it's ripple effects on the internet, feel free to keep watching!
Like i mentioned in the video I'd love to hear what you guys think about this stuff, obviously i don't have experience with every mental illness in the world or the varying severities they can have so if you're open to sharing what you've seen about ones you have experience with and the problems with the way it's presented/talked about online (can be on tik tok or if it's another platform that's cool too) i'd love to hear your thoughts! Of course no pressure tho, hopefully you guys enjoyed the video if you did feel free to give it a like and subscribe if you wanna see more stuff from me! But otherwise thanks for watching and i'll see yall in the next one :)))
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hey yall!! idk why but youtube keeps deleting the comment i keep pinning on this video 😭 hopefully this one acc stays up but the earlier version was just me saying sorry for calling adhd an illness in the video and not a disorder! CMHA did me dirty lmao 😭
You COULD change that in the title as well...
I’m
I just
you should change the title then
Wait.. "Actually" only has one "C" in it. So why do people say "acc" like this?
I literally see “signs you have…” content all over tik tok and if I went off of those signs I’d have every mental illness in the book. “I think it’s time to stop taking mental health tips from people with vines in their room” 😭😭 couldn’t agree more
Going to tik tok for mental illness signs is like googling your symptoms.
I once commented "I can see why people think ADHD is not a real thing" on those "Signs you have ADHD" videos that list totally normal things and almost got dragged by people saying it's about frequency of the things happening. But like, the original creator hasn't made that disclaimer neither in the comments or in the caption so how is a random person who just stumbled upon the video supposed to know that important fact when all they do is list all the quirks?
Exactly what thesee 2 replies say!! The _never_ mention the frequency and that's what irks me so much! If they actually know shit about what there talking about, it'd be _the first thing_ they mention.
exactly it’s so frustrating because most behavior is normal to a certain extent. the way you get diagnosed is if it hits the 3 d’s and tiktokers love to leave that out
"If your favorite color is green you're neurodivergent" ????huh????
A real video I saw
Depression is only cute and quirky until the depressed coworker or classmate shows up with unkempt hair and noticeable body odour because they did not have the energy to shower or do their laundry for weeks. Really fascinating to see how quickly noses get upturned when that happens. Edit: seems like the next big thing is autism.
All these depression influencers™ with perfectly clean and instagrammable bedrooms lmao
Depression is only cute and quirky until you nearly lose your tenancy bc you haven't cleaned in over a year and the trash in your room is piled up several feet high
And then you have people who don't believe you showed up like that because of depression because they've seen so much about depression just being 'cute', and you don't fit the symptoms they now believe are the actual ones. They assume you're just lazy and unhygienic, and using depression as an excuse
@@bloodyneptune Is it really depression doing that? I have it, I just thought I WAS lazy and unhygienic. I've got no energy to do a lot of things, and I wanna make sure if it's really because of that.
I'll be getting professional help soon so maybe I'll be fine
When I was depressed I didn’t even go to school it was physically impossible I would try to get out of bed but I wouldn’t
@@CryptP I mean, to be fair-depression manifests itself in different ways. Some people are very much able to maintain a facade of normalcy. You know those cases when someone commits suicide and everyone around them is terribly confused because they “didn’t seem depressed”? People can appear functional on the outside. But inside? There’s no real way of telling what demons are there unless someone tells you
I’m a psychology grad student and one thing I notice a lot is if people experience a symptom of a disorder they automatically think they have it, but that’s not how mental illness works. Everyone experiences anxiety, depression, mood instability, etc every once in a while, it’s natural human emotion. It doesn’t become a disorder until it actually interferes with your life, like being so anxious you avoid work or school or you’re so depressed you spend days in bed. Just bc you had a day or two where you felt down does not mean you have a disorder
Even so, people are still too quick to label people as attention-seeking.
I asked how to get an OCD assessment and I was told I was attention seeking. It made me too scared to seek treatment and I had a breakdown where I was extremely paranoid. I didn't tell anyone because I was convinced everyone in my life were working with the FBI and the CIA. I thought the police had orders to watch me and make an arrest after gathering information.
Even when I finally got the courage to seek help after DIY CBT, the therapist said I probably have OCD but I don't need a diagnosis and he discharged me early because I knew the skills.
There's only one safe place for me and it's a place that accepts self diagnosis. I can't go to other support groups because they expect you to be diagnosed and they end up triggering me.
I probably did actually have an anxiety disorder for around 4 months, as in the beginning months it just plagued my mind and kept me from doing much work at school and made me stay in bed and cry. It’s likely I still have it but I’m dealing with it a lot better now
True, disorders are long lasted until old age, it will worsen if they are untreated. I have adhd, bpd, and hypothyroid, I got them from excessive narcissistic abuse from my abusive mother, and I never had support thanks to my dad leaving me in a harmful environment. I didn't resent him for that but I do feel angry because it was unfair
I'm aiming to go to Australia, he's there for work despite being retired, with house expenses and child support. This is to the point where I'm fully traumatized and I'm not having kids in the future due to the 10 children in the house (I'm the 7th youngest)
I have a severe anxiety disorder (both general and social) along with depression, and although I'm able to function, it's more like I'm just going through the motions, and my mind has been shut down for... weeks now, honestly
Say it for the people in the back! I’m currently working on getting an autism diagnosis and a lot of people didn’t believe me because I started masking incredibly young because tRaUMa and when COVID started I started unmasking, and going back to normal life was so hard and it got in the way of my everyday life. And it still does today. I also have diagnosed severe anxiety disorder based around medical traUMa and ever time a single thing feels off in my body, I can not function. I have such a horrible time every day and these people go around making it a quirky trend, and it hurts so fucking much. People try to tell me I fake it, and I try so hard to tell them it’s not true but they don’t believe me, and it’s so hard to get accommodations. I almost killed myself because of bullies making fun of me for being who I was, I walked past the knife holder in the kitchen and thought “I could right now.” Because anxiety killed me. I’m doing so much better now, and I’m really really happy. I left my old school, and now I’m so fucking happy I could cry. It’s just so unfair. Fuck people trying to take away my rights to accommodate for what I need. Fuck them.
Tbh, I wish mental health was a subject schools actually talked about more. We wouldn’t end up in this situation in the first place 💀
When mental health is talked about in schools it’s always done in a terrible way. Like they use some analogy about buckets and brush over that life is more complicated than their bucket analogies. Though of course it would be nice if they taught it better.
We talked about it in my school and the trans kid who is apparently depressed, autistic, has ADHD, DID, anxiety, synesthesia, and thinks it's cool to joke about t3rr0rism just talked over it about how the school is spreading misinformation and then proceeded to spew misinformation about mental disorders they found from TikTok.
Yeah, if it wasn't taught terribly and *instead* was taught by staff who've experienced or have mental illnesses.
Fr, it unironically needs more attention :/
@@kaziahscats yikess... (as a neurodivergent person with mental illness)
There was a girl who was SEVERELY depressed who hadn’t brushed her hair for weeks because she was in a depressive episode and you wouldn’t believe how quick this community turned on her. When you show some very real sides of depression people are suddenly not as supportive.
EDIT: Fixed an error
exactly it’s so glamorized !!!!!
Yeah legit my depression led to two years of struggling through the mental health system in my country, where I lost my job, was unable to work further, didn't leave my room or open the curtains for months on end. To get gross about it - I was using a bucket in my bedroom as a bathroom because I was too anxious to leave my room and use the bathroom in my shared boarding house (a government funded boarding house because I was broke).
Before all this, I worked at a record label in New York and directed music videos for one of their artists. When I moved back to my home country I had no friends or family left there (after being overseas for 10+ years).
Depression is fucked, and there were times where I was THAT person mumbling to myself on a train at 2am
Exactly omg, “it’s okay not to be okay” until you start showing the symptoms of not being okay. Then that’s gross and weird /s
that why i like the communities for depression on tiktok that talk about these real things. or post videos about not brushing their teeth or not having perfect teeth. better that ive had videos help me get up and brush my teeth with them!!
@@skunkjo3195 yo I'm being made to clean (room got so bad that the council threatened to kick us out if I didn't clear it) and the part of my curtains that faces out is entirely bleached by the sun bc I've had them closed that long, so big relate
Seriously people are so sympathetic until your symptoms make it hard for you to take care of yourself and your surroundings, as soon as mess gets involved all sympathy goes out the window. It's like the way ppl treat hoarders like they're lazy and awful when they have a legitimate illness
It's crazy seeing how people paint ADHD as if it's some silly personality trait when it can be so crippling to live with. It's gross how people like that move to the next disorder as if it's some kind of trend.
Don't see a lot of talk about the bullying, ruining friendships, being picked on for stimming, being penalized for lateness you can't stop, being called "manipulative" for being overly sensitive, etc...
They like the symptoms that they see as quirky, but actual problems you may have because of it get judgement. Tiktok did help me realize that it could be ADHD and lead to look for professional help, but not all of those teens are able to really discern all of that information.
Literally
I have adhd, it was the worst. I lost friends due to my impulsive nature and my schoolwork is always pending. It may be funny for many but I seriously get so stressed with so much work that I just let it be. I also forget sometimes to eat which made me faint once or twice. ADHD is not funny at all nor quirky. Well looks like tiktok is trying to be experts now, we victims of mental illness would never be taken seriously.
@@PaniACoCo ain't that the truth, they think if a few things apply to them that they must have ADHD. But, they don't see the ugly side of it. I have it and I used to have really bad melt downs when I got overwhelmed with homework, or have huge anger fits randomly. Its so depressing sometimes not being in control.
Anxiety is quirky till you start throwing up and having severe panic attacks that stop you from living your life ❤️ - someone with anxiety
FR, and worry about your health so bad you scare yourself into thinking you’re having a heart attack, and force yourself not to eat because of it and having to go to the hospital only to be told you’re having an anxiety attack
average lgbtq
@@tirididjdjwieidiw1138 not sure what you’re implying here 🤨🤨
@@lesbianhotdawg who asked?
@@tirididjdjwieidiw1138
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
As someone that struggles with OCD (diagnosed) it can be really upsetting. Especially the fact that people say
“I have ocd because I like to be organised”
When OCD is a much larger spectrum then just being organised. I struggle with OCD where I have to keep checking something otherwise I think something terrible will happen, I waste hours and people just say
“Oh yeah I have that too lol”
Its just so annoying.
How i missed this thing out? In my experience ocd was always demonized and im a millenial
it really is.
“Step in that square or you’ll loose ur legs” “Walk over that crack or your eyes will fall out”
I wish they knew.
I was told I was attention seeking when I asked how to get assessed. It led to me having a paranoid breakdown where I believed I was being tracked by the FBI and the CIA. I couldn't tell anyone because I was convinced they were working with the FBI and the CIA.
When I finally got the courage to seek help they minimised my trauma and said I didn't need a diagnosis. It meant I didn't feel safe in support groups.
The only support groups where I feel even a little bit safe is one that accepts self diagnosis.
Please remember that diagnosis is a privilege.
I am teen I had ocd and I didnbt even know that the crazy things I was doing is OCD but now I don't have that may be
Oh man, TikTok really ran with this after 2010s Tumblr passed the baton. If I hear "narcissistic gaslighting manipulator" one more time, I'm gonna scream. It's been used to death.
Every five years people start diagnosing their significant others with a different mental illness. Somehow, "He's a sociopath," makes them feel better than, "I should have checked if we got along before sleeping with him."
@@jwhippet8313 THANK YOU, I am so glad to see other people who still think like this!!
Uhhm, thats just because you are a manipulative narcissistic gaslighter! Nah jk that shit is getting absurd
I've never even heard of someone saying that. I guess that's a good thing, since I don't pay much attention.
even just "trauma" in general (and "triggering", back in the day, but that was mostly before tiktok). if people could stop overusing words connected to mental illness/disorders and to abuse, diluting their meanings, that'd be great.
I don’t have ADHD, but I am autistic, and looking at "this is a sign you’re autistic" content and comments on Tiktok is just so unreal. I do feel like my diagnosis is treated as a joke sometimes. People will literally say "I have autism because I look at the ground while walking and I have an interest" but then turn around and call someone toxic and creepy for being too blunt or misunderstanding a social cue. If you can’t handle "unflattering" symptoms (that don’t do well with the algorithm), you don’t get to romanticize the "quirky and relatable" ones either. The symptoms that make you an outsider and genuinely make your life rough need to be addressed. Those are the reason most autistic people get their diagnosis in the first place. Not the quirky parts.
fr, i've had kids on tiktok try to bully me for "being cringe" where in fact they just didn't understand the irony, and when i point that out they turn around and go "boohoo but i'm autistic though". like since when do autistic people bully other people for "being cringe" lol
I have ADHD and I’m tired of people making it look like it’s always hyper and cute because it’s really hard to live with. Plus, people with ADHD are more likely to get in a car accident.
I hate that people try to pretend to have autism to seem cutesy or quirky, I am not cute because of my autism, don't infantalize me
I also have autism as well and i love it when ppl with asd make TikToks informing ppl about things, but I can’t stand it when nt people joke about it / try talk for us
I have ASD and recently acquaintances of mine at school have self diagnosed themselves with it, they show almost no outward signs of it which is fine a lot of autistic people learn to cope and mask over time, but anytime I show a more undesirable trait like having a pretty much copy paste response to anytime someone attempts to confide in me or I'm not able to go to loud or crowded place or sometimes make grunting noises, they tell me to stop or give me weird looks or say that I just need to get over it.
Also, the way a lot of these people try and play the oppression olympics when it comes to people who aren't able to have a job or live by themselves because their autistic and their caregivers who speak about it are just sick. Like please ffs yes it's a spectrum disorder we get it, but these are the people who are more likely going to be discriminated against and have a harder time in life because of their autism and how others see them because of it, give them support and don't make it about you.
I was diagnosed with ADHD and Aspergers when I was around eight years old. When I was thirteen, there was a girl in my class that claimed to have ADHD and would rub it in everyone’s faces every chance she got. I stayed out of her way as much as I could because I did not want to deal with talking to her. One day, it got out of hand during lunch. She was sitting in the chair in-front of me talking to this boy. Claiming many insulting stereotypes about ADHD were true. Saying things such as, “People with ADHD aren't smart, hence why I flunked that test.” I didn’t want to intervene with whatever she had going on in a manner that would only make me stand out as some rude bastard, so I tried asking her after class if she has ever _actually_ gotten diagnosed by a _professional_ about her ADHD. And I swear, I felt every last fiver of my being burn with a big ‘what the hell??!?’ when she replied with, “Oh, no. I’m self diagnosed.”
Sad to see these kinds of people have only increased due to TikTok portraying things like this as “Quirky” and “interesting”.
hugs to u!
It hurts me
And I thought the loud kid in my class was annoying. At least he didn't fake or talk about his adhd all that often. I'm more of an inattentive type and he's the hyperactive type. We may be different but I still can relate to him
That girls just pissed me off like I have ADHD and I don’t think it’s worth bragging about because you could forget things or you procrastinate we’ll at least for me I procrastinate on a lot of stuff and it’s hard to have ADHD especially for school you could get bad grades or you could get good grades and when you have ADHD we’ll not fully it’s just for me that I can’t stand still or sit still but in conclusion this girl is a FEMALE DOG and that boy in front of you isn’t wrong or at least fully.😅
@@Racconthepestic I those problems when I was in school back the early 2000s and 90s. Sad part is bc I wasn't dienose as a child I failed alot in school got in trouble I went to summer school every year my mom always got mad at me and whooped or beat me over things I did or didn't do at school or at home. She continue even into my adult hood I came traumatized she stop when I turn 27 and move out and became homeless. I'm in my 30s now, my mom does not regret anything and I'm struggling I hate my life and myself I'm poor I never got dienose for ADHD bc why should I I'm too old now it's pointless 😢
As a person diagnosed with Anxiety, WE DO NOT CLAIM THE PERSON WHO WAS HAVING A SEIZURE TO OVERWHELMED.
what.
@@enigmence oh they don’t take or accept the kid who had a seizure because of the song “overwhelm”
as a fellow person diagnosed with anxiety, AMEN WE AS A COMMUNITY OF SORTS DONT RECOGNIZE WHOEVER THAT CHICK WAS
mhm exactly
Are you gate keeping anxiety.
My therapist and I were just talking yesterday about how tiktok is the worst when it comes to talking about mental illness…especially with BPD (is what we were talking about). People just misdiagnosing themselves with extremely severe diagnoses they don’t actually have, then spreading more false information about their “experiences” and lessening the importance of the voices of those who ACTUALLY struggle with the disorder…
i’m being treated for symptoms of bpd (since i’m a minor, i can’t actually be diagnosed.) bpd has both ruined and almost ended my life. it’s terrible seeing these “signs you have bpd” videos with surface level symptoms with clearly uneducated viewers in the comments believing this being true about themselves.
oh yikes . all thats gonna do is stigmatise us more, people already think we are crazy abusive manipulators
@@rebeccaloe as someone who believed she had BPD but turns out to have CPTSD... I feel so terrible for you. it's not fair the way people just throw these diagnoses around and the weird false preconceptions with it.
@@rebeccaloe I was misdiagnosed with BPD as a teenager (was fucking horrific of the psych to do, and I think illegal as well), and turned out later to "just" have severe untreated cPTSD and I had also been (and still am of course) autistic that whole time. I had my abusers gaslight me into thinking I had every disorder they wanted me to have so they could control me with "insanity diagnoses" and various forced medications that made things infinitely worse. At my worst I was dissociating VERY extremely, had depressive psychosis (all gone now and has been for a few years thankfully), and was definitely insane at some points just from how horrible things were.
After almost two years 99% no contact with the abusive exfamily, and a year of intensive therapy and work, I'm far better and healthier than I ever imagined I could be, even though I still struggle. But most of the times are okay, I can see how I'm healing, and I can feel hope and happiness and love for my passions coming back. I'm even hoping to go back to school for my STEM degree soon at the age of 28, and as long as I can get proper financial aid and some housing supports, I know I'll be able to do it.
Just throwing out some potential hope there, and also that I feel many people with extreme and longterm trauma get misdiagnosed (oftentimes by negligent and frankly evil medical professionals), which is extremely harmful to us as we're already so hurt and vulnerable.
I definitely don't want to say what you do or don't have, but I did want to give my experience, as I want no one else to go through what I did.
@@rebeccaloe I’m in almost the same exact boat. Being treated for BPD symptoms and many other disorders and people think it’s all cute and quirky until you’re explaining why you take antipsychotics and why you were in the hospital for a month.
my favourite metaphor for stuff like this is pregnancy. sure, you can have all the symptoms of pregnancy... the sickness, bloating etc... but you're either pregnant or you're not. correlation isn't always causation.
K but mental disorders are a lot more blurry than a pregnancy, even specialists can misdiagnose you, the most effective way of knowing is a brain scan but not all the disorders can be detected that way
Lol the idea of content like "if you have these signs you are pregnant" and people that havent done it believing it
@@magdakozakiewicz304
Me having a backlash when i thought i was pregnant bc i read u cpuld get preggo out of toilets or bathtubs, weird times,when i didnt get my periods on time...
*Me after my period is late for 1 minute*
And, pregnancy symptoms can be for pregnancy, or not symptoms at all, but, they can also be symptoms for other things, like periods, certain symptoms can be for fevers and stuff (like throwing up). Sometimes they’re symptoms for a mental illness, sometimes they aren’t, and sometimes they’re symptoms for another illness, mental or physical.
I can’t wait until being mentally healthy is trending.
that would be a miracle
Yup, I googled ‘why does everyone have DID’ it took me to a ‘ultimate DID quiz’ asked broad questions about memory and emotional state then said I’m more than likely to have DID. No wonder everyone thinks they have these mental illnesses
and a lot of times these quizzes are very clear, as to what the ’right’ answer is (if you want to get the result ’you are likely to have ___’).
@@leppakerttulright. And it also depends on what test you are taking vs the actual symptoms that you have. A lot of those tests, and I mean A LOT, have overlapping symptoms and overly broad questions. Literally, depending on the paper you might be diagnosed as being psychotic when in reality you have OCD. Online mental illness quizzes are cancer.
As someone who has been clinically diagnosed with ADHD, anxiety, AND depression, I hate how TikTok has basically devolved these three mental illness into HAHA ✨qUirKY✨. Depression and anxiety are serious mental illnesses.
I wish I thought of myself as "HAHA ✨qUirKY✨" for having the trifecta but turns out it's more like being constantly bored, worried and exhausted. that doesn't make good TikTok content I guess
Ugh I feel you I’m just exhausted constantly and feel like an extremely dysfunctional person. Anxiety is probably the most prevalent for me and it keeps me up for hours at night🤪 but hey at least it makes me ✨fUn✨ and ✨qUirKY✨
@@xXluluchanelXx same, I really appreciate your comment because like... I have a laundry list of things that at this point, I don't really disclose fully; they just fall under the umbrella of CPTSD + Autism + ADHD. The ADHD thing was especially interesting to figure out, because my symptoms definitely don't look like the 'quirky' kind, either.
I've been on adderall for about a year now, and when I was off of it/if I forget to take my medication or run out, the symptoms I experience are more... like, the brainfog, the inability to piece my thoughts together. There's the trouble focusing, but there's nothing "OOH SQUIRREL" flashy about it, it's more just me being exhausted and distressed because I can't get shit done due to constantly switching tasks or having such bad executive dysfunction that all I can do is mindlessly autopilot through the day. It was absolute hell because it not only made school a massive struggle when I was still in school, but it seriously limited my creative pursuits, too. It's hard to write a story when you literally can't *think* enough and the thoughts you do have don't make a whole, and they leave quickly.
It's funny, because me being medicated, I actually look more like the stereotype. I talk more, I ramble, I switch subjects a lot lol. I don't mind, though, because I actually have ideas and more often feel like I can have and communicate complex thoughts. I don't feel like I need to crawl back in bed an hour after waking up. I feel awful, because I used to be someone who dismissed ADHD and how serious it could be when I was a younger teen, but that was just shitty rhetoric that I picked up from the ignorant adults around me. I felt like a zombie before I started getting it treated and it still does cause problems. I'm lucky I'm one of the people who stimulants do work for, though.
I hope you and everyone else in this thread are doing okay today! :)
Same, I feel like for every person that trivializes these things and tries to romanticize it, there's another person who doubts me when I say I have a diagnosis for it
@@bigpooper4156 Facts, I do my best to believe people whenever they say this, but people like this are making it so frustrating. I already get doubted by my family man I don't need tHIS-
As someone who has actually been diagnosed with anxiety and depression in the past, it infuriates me to see people who WANT to have these illnesses. When I was super depressed, I struggled to get out of bed in the morning, I could barely manage to eat or perform the most basic tasks. I was suicidal. I was finally able to get help, but depression (and anxiety) are no joke. These mental illnesses are not a “quirky trait” they are a serious issue for a lot of people.
The weird part is how, because TikTok is like executive dysfunction catnip, I think there's a not inconsiderable number of people who genuinely *are* stumbling across these videos and going, "Wait, am I not just a total failure of a human being, do I just have a brain problem?" But then the Tiktok videos themselves are all these immaculately-groomed quirky people in their tidy homes trying to get you to spend even more time on Tiktok, which... is probably not actually healthy for people with depression/ADHD/etc.
Exactly like I cannot get out of bed most days without dread and the urge to just make it all stop like it’s nit fun and it’s incredibly annoying to see people use it as a fun little thing abd cinstantly joke about it
I honestly feel like "dark humour" contributes to this. Bc non mentally ill ppl pick up on it and it becomes cool to be in an awful state.
exactly. I too have been diagnosed with anxiety. All my friends tell me I have depression and that I should get a diagnosis for it/therapy- I relate to everything you just said. Having multiple panic attacks a day isn’t fun. Barely being about to leave the house because you are so scared that something might happen isn’t fun. Going days without getting up from bed/eating because it felt too much isn’t fun. Constantly having the urge to hurt yourself isn’t fun. Getting bullied for having these isn’t fun. These things aren’t to joke about, they are serious. I wish this type of TikTok community didn’t exist- anyway sorry for the rant,,
@@Hajar_Ali alright haha thank you !! Have a great day too :))
i’m in a facebook group with women who had ADHD and a lot of them say they found out they had it through tiktok videos 🙃 so i’m actually questioning whether they actually have it or not.
Don't tell them that though or they'll have you kicked out.
I mean I saw a lot and started thinking about it so went and got tested. It was a hard yes, but mainstream media just doesn’t represent it or does it badly and there are SOOOO many women who are internalising and struggling with it. It may ultimately be a net good.
As someone with ADHD myself (diagnosed), why do people even like to post about stuff like that 🙃 like I don't go around saying "I have ADHD" to the internet and expect people to be like "woah?!?" it doesn't make any sense
Edit: And I know it's for attention and shit like that, but like posting about it daily, it's just ridiculous
@@eveethepokemon5661also people that will use the term spectrum to just put any thing they do (mostly negative) on the symptoms list and if you argue they will respond with 'well its a spectrum everyone is different' well yeah everyone is different like my brother has adhd and is extremely selfless but i have adhd and am good at setting personal boundaries those are personality traits but others could easily pick it and call it a symptom of adhd or autism
@@jannathepanna1674spectrum. That word is definitely misinterpreted. People think just because it has the word, spectrum, they think having one or two symptoms gives them a diagnosis.
Here is my experience: I have clinically diagnosed OCD, MDD, GAD, NVLD, and CPTSD. ( An alphabet soup, I know.) That is 5 disorders. Its so upsetting to see people glorifying mental illness and spreading misinformation. For example: someone saying "omg im SO OCD, teehee!" or like "I wish I had OCD so I'd always be organized!!" This kind of thing pushes stereotypes and minimizes the pain that OCD folks experience. OCD puts me (and others) through hell on a daily basis. This is just one example that I've experienced with misinformation and harmful stereotypes.
Then, the other thing That really irks me is the "conversation" around depression. (I have MDD: Major Depressive Disorder.) it isn't anyhjng like "sad girl aesthetic ☕️". Depression- in MY personal experience, bc for others it may be different- feeling paralyzed bc I don't want to get up but then angry because I'm missing out on life, feeling like I'm not loved, a heavy weight I carry with me through my daily life, and more.
Alphabet soup?! I'm using that one next!
"Obsessive compulsive tendencies" kick my butt. It had nothing to do with cleaning it has to do with specific routines I MUST complete. Checking the door to make sure it's locked 10 times. Washing hands a specific way a specific amount of times, too many things to name. It's never been about cleaning for me. Ever. It's obsessively doing things and feeling like I HAVE to or it's not okay. It's terrible. I wish it were just organizing and cleaning -_-
@@dezert956 Haha you should!!
i fucking hate it when people talk like that
people romanticizing depression are also the ones to turn against people with actual depression who talk about the "ugly" side. Like if I went on Tiktok and said I've gone days without brushing my teeth or showering because I was having an episode, these people would turn real fast on me
Or not being able to clean my appartment for WEEKS. Failing classes because if I went to school on a bad day I'd end up on the floor in a school bathroom in panic, then have to call my friend to come get me so I could call my dad to get me home. #SadGirlAesthetics. We're just so quirky...
Oh my god that really worries me! Have you thought about medication? I have developed coping skills my entire life and I still need anxiety meds. There’s no shame in trying to make your life more manageable.
@@EEsRUclipsChanel oh my gosh, Im really sorry for worrying you!! Yes Ive been on proper medication for 2 or three years now, antidepressants for 2 and 1 year of adhd meds and Im almost a fully fuctioning being right now haha. Im also in psychotherapy right now. My appartment is still sometimes messy, but not even close to what it used to, so please dont worry!!!
@@EEsRUclipsChanel I take meds, but there are still times when I have episodes
I'm lucky, because I have anxiety but it's not as bad as this. However, if I were to talk about what I've been constantly thinking about, on Tiktok, the only word that they would use to describe me is "emo" or if they're the romanticizers, "oh my god you're so quirky I have anxiety too!" Or some bs like that idk. That's why I don't have Tiktok anymore
Hi, just an FYI!! ADHD is NOT a mental illness, it's a developmental disorder. Symptoms become apparent in childhood due to a difference in brain functioning. It's a neurological condition/disorder, not a mental illness.
Love the video though, thank you for talking about this!
not CMHA setting me up omg thats my bad 😭
I have ADHD and had it diagnosed through a brain scan. Yeah, it is a developmental disorder and it makes life a lot harder. For those with it, be a constant advocate for yourself and seek resources such Access and Disability services from your local school/community center
Thanks! The language is important.
Autism wasn't mentioned in her video (unless I missed it lol), but it is also often incorrectly categorized as "mental illness". Just for any unknowing, autism is also a developmental delay.
@@caseyaonso4270 Hahaha it's alright
@@bridget663 Yes thanks for bringing that up :) it is a SUPER common misconception. To add to ur point, people also often seem to think that Autism is an intellectual disability (as in it affects IQ). But this isn't the case, Autism doesn't affect intellectual abilities at all. BUT intellectual disabilities do often co-occur with Autism. Just for anyone who may be reading that didn't already know this!
I can't even watch this video because of how badly I know it would f me up. I'm clinically diagnosed with PTSD and MDD, because of a very traumatic childhood, people faking their trauma and mental illness makes me feel so disgusted. Like, they have a privilege of having an okay childhood and not suffering from things like this, why would they wanna pretend to have trauma or mental illnesses? How is it quirky? Those things have ruined my life and I can't even go to school, can't have a decent night of sleep, can't do hobbies, can't even keep up with basic hygiene or get out of bed in the morning. And I frequently have mental breakdowns where I cry like a mess and scream, I also have issues with self harm. Like, how is that quirky or "cool" in any way? Why would people pretend to have it? It's disgusting. People like those tiktokers makes people who actually need help, scared to talk about their issues because we don't wanna be accused of faking. I'm genuinely scared to tell people about my triggers and stuff because i don't want them to accuse me of faking it, things are already hard enough for people like me everyday and people like this just make it harder for us to speak out and get help.
I understand! My ptsd also has fucked up my childhood and life
People hate me for having panic attacks that leave me screaming but omg I just can’t say what I want to even words this without having a rant
I understand that anger and it’s so frustrating to see people
Not believe me when I tell them I have cptsd because I’m 16 and wasn’t a sa victim and now people fake it and make things even harder
Anyway I hope you have restful sleep tonight
I know it's kind of an old video, but anyway, storytime. As a person studying to be a social worker, I met people with these illnasses. I met kids with these illnasses. They're all amazing, but their mental health issues are not quirky, not fun, and can't be treated as a trend. I met a kid who was seriously mistreated both by his family and in school because he has ADHD. I met a girl who was so hardly abused she ended up depressed and with PTSD, taking several meds, struggling to stay alive everyday. They're strong, brave and awesome for facing these hardships and still managing to be their amazing, innocent selves, and their problems should not be treated as a sick joke or trend. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk
Thanks for sharing!
The keyword of a mental illness diagnosis is whether these symptoms effect your DAILY LIFE. You can have a lot of these traits, but if you get about life just fine you probably aren't clinically ill. in my case my symptoms made college a living nightmare, cost me my job and my sanity, and I wouldn't wish my brain chemistry upon anyone else. it sucks, don't glorify it.
^This
100% when I talked with a psychiatrist he told me anyone can feel/have some of the symptoms but that doesn’t mean anything at all
Exactly. Everyone has most ADHD symptoms at some point. It's his attention, concentration and motivation work. But I have some of them always, all the time. My whole life is a struggle to manoeuvre around these symptoms and somehow get from one day to another. Compared to my neurotypical peers (I'm 34) I more or less have lost 10 years of life experiences through these struggles. The masking of it through a difficult childhood gave cPTSD, ( yes diagnosed by professionals). Ouff.
That said internet awareness helped me come to the diagnosis and right treatment. I didn't even knew there was an inattentive type of ADHD. I never contemplated it because I'm "quiet".
I had been in therapy to various psychiatrists for 12 years, thinking I just had depression and generalised anxiety disorder.
When I found out about ADHD-inattentive in adults through internet... Finally all the puzzle pieces came together. And then I searched for a psychiatrist specialising in its diagnosis and treatment. My former therapists had helped me but were only focusing on the treatment of the symptoms and never show the root cause of it because the symptoms overlap with other stuff.
This. I have a sleep disorder, insomnia, and have been clinically diagnosed with it. It sucks to have a terrible nights sleep so I sympathize with students who couldn’t sleep for xyz reasons some nights. But damn the amount of times I hear “omg I can’t sleep either. I just can’t stop watching netflix” or “I lost track of time” gets so frustrating cause statement like these make it hard for professors to differentiate my sleep disorder from the average student’s occasional bad night sleep. it’s a nightly occurrence for me and it’s not “quirky” to be sleep deprived 24/7.
Exactly. Everyone gets anxious sometimes but not everyone has an anxiety disorder. Everyone has intrusive thoughts to some degree but that doesn't mean you have OCD. Being sad after your grandma dies is not the same as having depression. These things only become mental illnesses when they're persistent, ongoing, and distressing.
As a bisexual girl, you can really tell “bisexual culture” and “bisexual stereotypes” have mostly stemmed from tiktok trends about listening to certain music artists and yadayada, like, I get that because of bi erasure we don’t have distinct culture or stereotypes in the way gay people do but if I see another sweater weather tiktok I’ll hit something.
I met new people and they asked me if I liked girl in red and the neighbourhood. I knew what they were actually asking so I answered accordingly but I actually don´t like girl in red´s music. And later I reflected on how it´s just a stereotype and how many people i assume is fruity because of how they might dress or wear their hair.
@@johannabagelius4177 yeah, there's a regressive quality to these stereotypes that are considered part of gay/queer culture. For example, I feel like people are more inclined to accept feminity in a gay man than in a straight (or even bisexual) man, and that can be really limiting.
@Luke Jameson Sweather Weather is literally a song about a woman by a man, people tried to justify it by saying the lyrics don't specify the gender but it is mentioned. It's simply another popular indie song. It's ridiculous it was conceived as a bi anthem when we have songs like Bi by Living Colour from 1993.
@@luciacuevas611 omg I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS A BI ANTHEM THAT IS SO CRINGEEEE it's just a good song IT LITERALLY HAS NOTHING SPECIAL OR QUEER TO ITTT WTF HAHAH
@@PumaArg yeah, it's honestly insulting to those artists who graced us with songs that are explicitly about being bi
Yup, caused me to question if I may have adhd since I related to a lot of the symptoms. Talked with my actual therapist about it since it bothered me, and surprise surprise, these are very vague symptoms that can just be because of my depression or anxiety. Anxiety isn't just "be nervous about stuff", it causes me to be overwhelmed, need stimming often, and have sensory overload. Not saying that these aren't adhd symptoms as well, but putting such basic things as signs for one specific mentall illness is ridiculous. It's like saying that you have a tumor because your leg really hurts, when you could have just pulled a muscle 🤷♀️
woah this is actually good. The fact you trust your psychologist just makes you already billions of times better then the others on tiktok because they will call their psychologists misogynistic or ableist because they did not get the diagnosis. The hate towards psychologists have only increased. i used to like tiktok but its the inly short video app that only has adhd or autism related videos that are alll wroooong and worst part is they are made by 'ADHD content creators' which also often comes with a adhd life coach.
Mental health tiktok is so anti recovery it's scary. It legitimately put me off trying sertraline for 2 years because they were constantly pushing antidepressant horror stories. I only just got sertraline a few days ago and I'm ready to go on it after learning that there were people who weren't negatively affected by it and it even saved their lives.
I swear it literally feels like everyone *wants* to be disordered and just won't admit it. And in that case I feel like they want to victimize themselves so they keep seeming *special*, so why take meds or go to therapy when they can have "sad girl aesthetic" - that or they worry about being told things they don't want to hear, like why they most likely don't have the disorders they think they may have.
Finally someone’s talking about this!! It’s wild in there 😭
r/fakedisordercringe is funny as hell tbh.
Im constantly seeing people like crying and super depressed on their videos and it freaks me out
I personally hate the whole “grippy sock hotel” joke (unless made by someone who has been to a psych ward) it just really diminishes how traumatic those places are. it’s not a “nice break”
i literally came out of the mental hospital in a worse state than before i was in there… like what it’s not daycare
It depends on the place. I had a very good experience when I was in one, but I think it might have been a lower security one.
@@jojol.2630 i wrote this based on my own experiences and some friends experiences. i’m glad you had a good experience, i hope you’re doing better
@@bruhstinky3916 i was diagnosed with ptsd after returning. shits traumatic
@Isabella B they definitely treat us more like humans than they did in the past but it’s still not great. i wasn’t allowed to shower for a few days bc they thought i’d hurt myself in there 🤷
as someone with both autism and ADHD (diagnosed) i'd like to say that the first few tiktoks (about adhd), where it seems like they're being vague about the symptoms because 'everyone has them', they're actually describing very accurate symptoms. ALL symptoms of ADHD are things that every human on earth experiencies, it's the intensity and amount of them that makes it, well, ADHD.
And that beggs questions where to draw the line. I am pretty sure I'm neurotypical but I also know that I do/think things that aren't normal. It is a weird place where I know that I'm not okay enough to be normal and not messed up enough to have a diagnosis and that beggs the question whether my struggles are real or I'm just lazy (the answer is probably somewhere in the middle).
Finally someone who mentions this. I do hate the videos where they make people with adhd seem like we’re stupid and can NEVER pay att, but the ones she showed were actually informative videos. Which makes me realize that she should’ve researched a bit more about adhd before making the video
I can’t believe that people are like: “ OmGggGggggg I have DepresSionnnn, I’m so QuIrKy hAhAaaaAa”
Just stop, please 🤦♀️🤦♀️
Therapist here! I’ve seen a somewhat significant increase in a lot of my younger clients feeling very attached to diagnostic labels as a result of social media platforms like tiktok. While having a diagnosis can provide validation for experience and connection to a community of people with similar experiences, I think the over-identification with a diagnosis can also be unhelpful and stunt progress/growth. Healthy reminder that many of our diagnostic categories are determined through research, though are ultimately influenced and defined by culture, and what we deem as “normal” and “abnormal.” Historically the DSM has been written by those with significant power and privilege (white men lol). There is a lot of healthy and needed debate on the influence that prejudice has on how we define what is “Normal.”
Although diagnosis can be a validating and helpful process for many clients, I ultimately encourage my clients to focus more on their individual experience than trying to fit themselves into diagnostic boxes. Let us normalize the wide spectrum of what is “normal”! I love that we are talking about mental health. Normalizing that it’s OK not to feel OK!! But let’s not focus so strongly on diagnostic categories?
Good points!!! I'm an MSc Psych student and just wrote an essay about the benefits and drawbacks of diagnosis. It left me with really mixed feelings because on the one hand having a diagnosis can be useful and help to summarise your experiences, but on the other hand there is so much overlap as well as very real stigma and prejudice in real life settings that I question how useful they really are.
When I was young and on tumblr I definitely personally experienced this over-identification with diagnosis, and it actually strongly impacted my ability to recover! I was only able to make strides towards recovery once I let go of identifying heavily with being mentally ill. I think that basing these communities and sense of belonging around mental illness and having trauma is so so harmful because once you make "being traumatized" 'being depressed" "being anxious" etc part of your identity, attemps to recover become so much harder and more terrifying because you feel like you're losing yourself and your community as you work through the recovery process. It's both internal pressure and external pressure-- when I was younger I had to deal with toxic friends who I had made by bonding over our shared trauma getting really upset with me for taking strides to recover, because they saw it as me pulling away from what connected us and therefore them. It's so concerning to see this type of thing happening again with young teens on a different platform.
Thank you for saying this! I've always felt I was... underperforming, not fully functional, and I spent a great deal of time researching mental disorders. None of them seem to fit me, even though I relate to some things here and there. I guess I just wanted a label thinking it would make it easier to find a manual on how to better myself but there's probably no such perfect manual for anyone. I also tried all the productivity systems I could find online lol. None of them worked long term though I've learned a little bit about myself through each of them. Same with the labels, as I was trying on all the labels I've learnt things about myself too. About what I am and what I am not. I still don't have a solution though haha, but I guess the journey is fun at least.
And as a patient who doesn't like labels, I don't really want a diagnosis for myself, I just want the therapist to know what's going on with me and help me learn to live my best life. What I do like a diagnosis for is to explain to others but with things being overdiagnosed, I feel its loosing impact.
Therapist here too, and I agree that focusing on individual experiences with a certain disorder or set of symptoms rather than boxing yourself into a specific label is important. On the other hand, I also had a therapist who refused to diagnose me and speculated that I might have an “adjustment disorder” at worst. My symptoms soon got worse and I didn’t pay attention to the severity of them because I was convinced that I “didn’t have a real disorder”. So yeah, diagnosis can definitely be a tricky situation and unique to each person.
I am a psychotherapist and I work with children with severe mental illness and dangerous behaviors. I can't get my suicidal/homicidal clients into hospitals right now because of all these kids that don't NEED it clogging up emergency rooms trying to get hospitalized for the "grippy sock challenge." There are kiddos and their parents that need these services that can't get them cuz a kid wants to mental illness flex on tiktok.
The WHAT challenge?
you dont even get grippy socks on psych wards anyways
I'm sorry WHAT this is an actual challenge now??? o_o
God please… please tell me this isn’t real…. Pls?
This is one of the most heartbreaking comments I’ve ever read. I spent time in a ward when I was 14, and the amount of children I’ve seen on Tik Tok wanting to get admitted is horrifying.
7:34 I have always had random, unintentional movements that people sometimes make fun of me for, and it’s people like this that make me feel unable to ask my parents if I can get checked out by a doctor.
Wow yeah adhd is a “quirky” thing until you can’t focus to do your homework and need extra time and help with school work because you can’t focus like other people
Obligatory "as someone with a dissociative disorder" statement aside, I wish I could say to these young kids that pretend to have alters that you can like different aesthetics without being different people. Just because sometimes you like to dress differently doesn't mean you have a trauma disorder.
I was kinda hoping Casey would touch more on DID, since IMO that's where the trendification of mental illness goes from gross to like, actually unhinged, like how does a child get to the point of doing this?? I feel like these kids have no concept of like... make-believe? Imaginative play?? It's absurdly sad that they clearly need an outlet for this normal, important expression but they are somehow pressured/suckered into doing... this. But maybe that's why she didn't get into it in the video, it's a lot to take in.
Take my like.
a big one too is “acting different in different situations =/= having osddid.” i have osdd for context but it’s perfectly normal for kids in middle-high school age range to maybe feel like they act one way around their friends, another way with their family, another way at church or any extracurricular activities. (obviously there can be fragments that handle different situations) but ive seen people be like “omg i feel like different people” for things like that when thats just .. actual normal social development for that age
How I dress, or even act, really depends on who I am around, what the situation is, and also, what I feel like that day. But as adults we are kind of expected to be "different' in different situations; I can't act/dress the same as elementary school teacher as I do on a ladies night out on a Saturday.
@@akiko7298 yes that may be true, but that's still not the same as having DID/osdd.
OCD is horror to live with, I don't know how people can even make that "cool" 🤷🏼♀️
Agreed. Out of everything I’ve been diagnosed with, OCD is the one that makes me really hate life
I didn't have a full breakdown the other day over "I didn't kiss my cat before I went away for the weekend so something awful is going to happen to her before I come back" just for people to be like "OCD is when you want to be organized!"
@@nervousbreakdown711 I have it also it's very difficult one thing I do is I constantly wash my hands even if I get a dab of say ketchup or a speck of dirt I'll wash them multiple times until I feel they're clean, been dealing with this since I was a kid, it's not as bad now I didn't know why I did it until my therapist explained it at first I thought something was abnormal about it but she helped me through it
Because they don't live with it, they think it means wanting things to be neat when in reality it is more like an intrusive thought triggering compulsions and anxiety for a week bringing you on the verge of insanity. They wouldn't last a day with real ocd. I wish all of us who fight this monster every day to recover some day💕
Absolutely. I'm trying to bring it up to a professional as well as another thing I'm struggling with that I'm pretty sure I have after months of research and medical abuse from past mental health "professionals" (not all are bad, just some), it was the first thing something told me I had a lot of signs of back when I thought I was "totally fine" coming out of a dysfunctional traumatic household. I am not talking about "clean freak" or "germaphobe" at all, I mean the actual source symptoms like intrusive thoughts and "If I don't do ___, bad things will happen" and ir has been getting worse. The rumination on specific incidents to the extreme. Even with people who have the cleanliness, number counting, organizational subtypes or any other subtype, the source of that is very different to someone who is simply an organized or anal person. The underlying thing is irrational fears that something bad will happen, often ego-dystonic, and that doing a compulsion will help sooth that fear. Which it does in the short term. But long term is unhealthy and takes up a lot of time. Even invisible mental compulsions. I would also like to state that this is different from schizophrenic delusions. The two differ in that both may be irrational thoughts, but the person with OCD is aware they are irrational, they just feel they cannot stop themselves and have a more "better safe than sorry" and "just in case" feeling toward their obsessions and compulsions. Whereas schizophrenic symptoms are more like, the thought is irrational but they are wired to believe it and feel that it is real and rational. Like, either may have the thought "someone is out to get me, and if I put this pencil in the right position on the table, I will be safe." The person with OCD may think "this is probably ridiculous but I'm scared so I'll do it anyway, just in case something bad happened if I didn't". Whereas with actual delusions the thought process for the same fear and action might be related to a different aspect or come from a different place. People really need to learn more about OCD. As a kid I only knew about it from the tv show Obsessed, and to be honest, I would say that gave me a lot more of an idea of what it was than most people. The show still only shows a limited variety of OCD subtypes though, typically only the more outwardly visual ones because *entertainment value* 😒. But I still think it gives a decent starting point idea. Wish I knew about the full mechanism and covert subtypes before though. Such as Harm OCD, and there is even POCD, also pure-O OCD (which stands for "purely Obsessive" but really means the compulsions are covert or internal).
The amount of cringe she had to sift through, to go on this rant, true hero
Nice and short reply
You are truly a god
I hate it when people fake things so serious. It ruins the chances of young people that actually have these things getting diagnosed
That’s exactly right and my experience.
Parents and teachers know I’ve always been different. I failed most of school and needed HELP. With a cultured family they would never like to admit that. So I planned to get a diagnosis when I was older JUST to be able to find tips to be able to succeed in the future and with college.
Now I’m embarrassed and know that most psychologists will throw any diagnosis on you if you basically ask. Nevermind the amount of pills!
So while quirky kids are making excuses for being a failure at life and false stereotypes about these disorders.
I’m trying painfully slow and confused to figure out how to do life while having a messed up brain but still not letting anything stop me.
Tiktok honestly had me convinced I have ADHD, until I took a step back and realized that the “symptoms” I have were really just very broad things I don’t particularly like about myself. I started actually working on myself instead of going down tiktok rabbit holes and I’m glad I did, because I would have been pursuing a MISdiagnosis based on harmful stereotypes instead of actually growing as a person. RUclips has been starting to push “signs you have ADHD” and “signs you have autism/are autistic” videos at me too and I’m just not having it this time.
I am currently being tested for autism based off of official sites that are awareness (these are doctors that created these accounts and people diagnosed with autism). But originally I only spoke to my mum with problems I was having with school and then my mum spoke to the GP about getting tested (I didn’t know until she brought it up). I didn’t even actually know what autism was.
I’ve done extensive research into symptoms and made many excuses that these are just things that are part of who I am. But looking back these things are things that I thought everyone had and when I slowly came to realise that daydreaming for nearly whole lessons and being unable to focus wasn’t at all normal, I reached out for help.
I realise now that I was always such a plain and picky eater and I hated many things because of its texture, the same with items. I’ve always been afraid of social situations and as a kid I either wanted to hug or I didn’t and if u tried to I would probably scream or cry (I had a lot of anger issues when I was younger). If something wasn’t done the correct way and it felt wrong I would have to restart because it irritated me i.e if I put socks on wrong and they didn’t feel right/ they were irritating my feet then I’d have to take them off and put them on again.
Now, I started noticing that I hated a lot of noises and lights based on how bright and how loud they were. Now, when I got into shops and things it’s frustrating because I take more note of the noise more than ever. And it’s. So. Loud! I did hear how loud it was before but now that I am getting tested it almost makes me notice everything more than I used to, if that makes sense?
The noise gets to me a lot and often things like chewing or even others drinking drives me insane. When I feel overwhelmed I wrap myself in one of the large blankets that we have, put on headphones and it makes me feel safe and calms me down.
My worst fear at this point is that I’m making something worse than it is. That’s it’s anxiety and I’m making a mountain out of something that is less…
Same i’m so stressed from all of this i really just need to focus on what’s happening in my life right now instead of obsessing over things i dont have
it's really easy to get an official diagnosis if you actually have adhd. i went to the doctors and filled out a sheet and my doctor kinda laughed at how many boxes i checked. i've noticed people who know they don't actually have whatever they claim to have typically don't want to get an official diagnosis. they just say they have it because they might fall into the typical stereotypes, but there are so many other symptoms they don't even care to acknowledge
Personally for me I felt the opposite, I was official diagnosed as a child and if there’s a symptom I don’t relate to I feel like I really don’t have ADHA
I’m currently in the process of seeing wether I have adhd. These TikToks about supposed signs you have adhd have made my irl friends not take my worries about possibly having adhd seriously. These videos don’t even help actual people with adhd figure out they have it or get support. In my experience all it has done is confuse and desensitize the public to what adhd is actually like. And adhd is already a disorder that is not taken seriously enough.
So many people claiming to have adhd over the smallest things have also given me anxiety about possibly exaggerating my experiences. It’s just terrible on both ends honestly.
I think the problem is just listing symptoms and never stopping to explain that all symptoms are going to be normal things that mentally well people do sometimes, it's only a symptom of mental illness when it gets to a point that makes day to day functioning hard for you.
It's like people who go "I have ocd" because they like things to be neat/clean to a totally normal and fine level.
Exactly. Many mental illnesses are just overextensions of normal behavior. Being a bit nervous before your final so you study several hours over the course of a week beforehand is normal! Being so anxious about your final that you vomit the day before and morning of, can't sleep, and end up skipping class because you're sure you'll fail anyway and the professor will think badly of you is not normal.
I wish my OCD made me neat lol. It makes me terrified of chemicals and carbon monoxide in the air (with a monitor not going off and cars still on while in garages still make me super tense- I’ve gotten good at holding my breath and controlling my breathing) and makes me Think I’m not good enough for my boyfriend or will hurt someone I love if I don’t like point knives away from their direction or repeat words to myself among a million other things lol ahhhhh OCD is so misunderstood :’)
@@wrinkleintime4257 Yeah it's crazy the way people don't understand OCD at all. Liking things clean, neat, and symmetrical is normal behavior anyway so I feel like those ppl saying they must have OCD are really reaching to try and be more interesting or something. It's honestly pretty gross
People love to focus on the C instead of the O in OCD. It isn’t usually the compulsions that are the biggest problem, and they’re certainly not the part that’s supposed to be treated. It’s the obsessions. I don’t have OCD, but I know people who do and am an enthusiastic psychology student, and everything I’ve heard points to the idea that compulsions are ways of coping with obsessions. Compulsions can be absolutely debilitating, but compulsions alone can’t really make you suicidal. Obsession can, and they do. My heart goes out to anyone struggling with it, I wish you all the best. I hope people will soon be more understanding and knowledgeable about this.
@@bettievw depending on the compulsions, those can be pretty debilitating too. The feeling of not being able to calm down unless you do the thing to calm you down and then you do and it doesn’t get rid of the anxiety , so you have to do it again and again and AGAIN. It’s really a soup of things, and it varies. Some compulsions are harder to manage than others, and that varies person to person. For me personally my compulsions are very internal , but that’s not always the case. Both the obsessions and compulsions have capacity to cause distress and depression etc. So both can be/ are treated (like redirecting compulsive behaviours if they’re harmful etc. that was one focus of my CBT sessions, redirecting behaviour alongside having strategies to change my thinking). It all goes together :)
I just want to say I love how well spoken everyone in the comments are while sharing stories of what you all go through with these disorders on a daily basis(:🦋
Let’s get these replies to also be wholesome
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i love how the people doing the “signs you have adhd” videos leave out the part where you have mental breakdowns after you loose stuff, or do something that supposed to be simple and easy but you find extremely stressful for absolutely no reason, its almost like they are most likley faking and thinks adhd is just not focusing sometimes and losing a few things throughout the day. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 but seriously, people who fake illlnessed piss me off so goddamn much
I was self-diagnosed with autism for 4 years before i got an official diagnosis, but even reaching the point of self-diagnosis was a long process. I initially saw content online that I related to, so I did some digging on google, read books, did some of the avaliable online tests, talked to my family about what i was like as a child, went through old school reports, and ruminated on it for ages. IMO self-diagnosis is valid, but its important to do your due diligence on it. Dont just watch a few videos and jump to conclusions.
Exactly. If you fall through the cracks as a child you may not be able to get an official diagnosis unless someone gives you a large charitable donation for how incredibly expensive it can be if you actually find someone with the qualifications. I spent about a year and a half ruminating on books, testimonials, research, why people assigned female at birth have often gotten their differences ignored in elementary school, and as a result of stress/exhaustion we get labeled with a mental health issue like depression, anxiety, self harm, eating disorders….etc when in middle school, and that becomes the only focus. Autism and my alienation from neurotypical expectations and experiences is what put so much pressure on my capacity to fit in. When I failed to successfully mask all day at school, I would go into self loathing spirals for my inability to be normal for even a day and not be singled out before of it. I have been an autistic advocate for multiple groups and organizations in the US and UK for a long time now, and I hate this trend so much.
As an advocate, I’m gonna defend the legitimacy of self diagnosis because diagnosis is a literal privilege depending on age,race, gender, and how well a person can stay masked and avoid referrals since their autism doesn’t disrupt class enough. It’s one thing when parents I know suggest their kids may be autistic, because they aren’t even trying to make a declaration on their own suspicions, in real life these people just respect my knowledge of autism and I usually say I would have to know and be around this person a lot more than I have before I feel comfortable making a guess based on instincts. If a friend tells me they suspect they are autistic I invite them to discuss what brought them to tha autism space without making any suggestions and rather than question if they really know about our community and common strengths and struggles in the area of our community that are non meme-able, not quirky, and have nothing to say, and it’s rare to see an incidence of book recommendations, promoting of autistic advocates who have been spreading great content and making it possible for language around autism to begin to change on the younger platforms. It’s all about meme-ing your special interests and symptoms and eventually creating a overly confident group of young people who let social media algorithms be their main source of diagnosis, activism and self worthy ness from TikTok rather than taking that deep dive into resources and research before coming to a conclusion.
You can relate to a “five signs you have…” video and don’t have to then adopt an entirely new identity just cause you’ve “been there”.
@@abouttimeforarevolution241 also privilege depending on the country and whether that condition "exists" there (aka is known and understood). Please, don't forget this.
I was self diagnosed with ADHD for 2 years before getting diagnosed. I had to literally fight and push to see someone for a diagnosis.
same, I "self diagnosed" (more like I was suspicious of and thought about it) of having ADHD in 7th grade, did my research, did some introspection, and all that. Took me 8 years to finally have an official diagnosis (mainly because I felt like a fraud and that I was just lazy, plus my mom not believing me) and even then I still feel like I'm faking it for attention even though I'm taking medication
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a side-effect of this situation is that places like r/fakedisordercringe are now rife with people appointing themselves as the arbiters of who's mentally ill and who's not. idk what the answer is to kids self-diagnosing online but i don't think bullying is it.
Yeah, like if they're doing it for attention and clout the solution should be to... idk... ignore them?? If they are actually suffering there are so many avenues to seek genuine help, they're not doomed just because nobody commented on their TikTok.
I always see them post agere stuff there, like, Age regression isn't a disorder, it's a trauma/coping mechanism (or its a side affect of a different disorder)
Fdc isn't bullying. Privately calling out and criticizing completely anonymous proven fakers isn't "bullying". If you don't think anyone should be allowed to identify and criticise faking or complain about fakers then you are condoning it. How is fdc any different to Casey?
@@AdamOfIngolstadt yes, a symptom of disorders *they don't have.*
most of the time those subreddits aren't making fun of conformed fakers, they just go around saying people they don't know are faking their issues
I hate how things that start out being for awareness get turned into a side show circus... makes me afraid to share my struggles for fear ill be unfairly judged.
yup said it also so many times. Neurodivergincy with tiktok is demolishing all of the progress people like us had to go through to remove or lower the stigma
My dad has depression and he has threatened My mom with suicide. It makes me SO SO sick that people like to pretend to have depression.
This trend genuinely upsets me because I’m completely convinced I have autism, I’ve done so much research on the topic too. But every time I try to vocalize my concern I’m always shut down because of all the kids my age falling for this kind of stuff.
im in simular situation, only thing im thankful for is my aunt who is psychaitrist and she was the one who brought that whole idea. but im still fucking scared to go officially to psychaitrist for paper diaghnosys bcs im scared that noone would believe me even tho im 19 im not a child but im still scared bcs its being faked so much these days. also i had troubles on my job bcs of my adhd where i struggeled i cried every day and i was scared to tell to change my place bcs of my adhd and it had to get so bad that administrative people took a notice in how much i struggeled and change my place ( i work in a factory btw so theres different things to do) like rly if i see irl anyone faking disorders i swear i will beat their asses bcs its rly serious shit
Me too :(
I really need to go to get some help, staying at night knowing that im not productive, saying things that i never do and other adhd signs…but my family never cares about how i am feeling :/ i saw lots of informative real adhd videos and im just really overwhelmed about myself..
I'm convinced I have ADHD but my mom says it doesn't exist and I don't really know if I have it now
@@Taekaleaf Do you have any other family members that could actually try to help you?
When they say history repeats, I never thought that would mean the dark side of tumblr
Adhd is fun and quirky until you try your best to focus with the teacher but your brain won't let you even though you genuinely want to focus, crying after a presentation cause you stuttered alot and forgot what you were saying and now you think you're a failure even tho everyone told you you did great, and you LITERALLY BANGING YOUR HEAD TO THE FKNG WALL CAUSE YOUR BRAIN DON'T WANT TO SHUT UP WHILE YOU'RE TRYING TO SLEEP AFTER STAYING AWAKE FOR 30 HRS BECAUSE YOU HYPERFOCUSED FOR 16 HRS ON AN ART PROJECT😍✨🧚♀
*this really happened*
Just wanted to add that mental illnesses often also have a „functioning“ version. Like depressed people that still keep their lives together, you can still suffer from panic attacks without anyone noticing…
I think it's good to spread awareness to people to maybe get them to think about it and get a diagnosis but it's way more harmful when you realise they are just using relatable things to get more likes
like i used to give them the benefit of the doubt but at this point its so obvious 😭
It's not good, it's spreading false awareness. Social media's false portrayal of mental illnesses made me confident that I didn't have them as my symptoms did not match what I was falsely taught those disorders to be. As a result I didn't get diagnosed and tested for my problem for years because I was convinced that I didn't have my disorders. It's actively hurt my life, I'd be Ina drastically better place if I got treatment earlier
yes its just direct profiting off mental illness. its wrong and exploitive
@@caseyaonso4270 I stopped giving benefit of the doubt a couple years ago and was called ableist for it (funny since I live with medical and mental health disabilities badly enough to be on disability in the US, which we all know is notoriously difficult to get). Accepting "self-disagnoses" rather than sympathizing with those who want to try to get a professional diagnosis ends up normalizing people decided that they have whatever they think they have based on a meme, and almost always they're incorrect and are fine, and what that does is make it so that those who are diagnosed and do struggle aren't taken seriously since they aren't putting on what comes to be the expected show. People who really have disorders are more likely to be called lazy since they don't have the look popularized by trendy videos.
@Rachel Forshee I agree! Don't know if this is the best term but pathologizing every single thing you do is exactly what big pharma wants us to do, getting mental help is obviously important but reducing mental illnesses to chemical disorders while ignoring that its mostly happening because we live in a capitalist hellscape is really telling
the ADHD videos is just the "Barnum Effect". Which is basically "general characterizations attributed to an individual are perceived to be true of them, even though the statements are such generalizations, they could apply to almost anyone"
I'm curious what this has to do with PT Barnum the circus man, assuming this is the same Barnum
In response to the person asking how it’s related to P.T. Barnum
yeah it's the exact same thing as horroscopes honestly
@@boojersey13 i don't know if it's the same barnum, but barnum was not an uncommon name back in the day. the guy who first discovered the t-rex was also named barnum
@@tivaspotato Wait holy shit is that why the purple children’s show T-Rex is named *Barney??*
8:22 to be fair, I _do_ get chills, shivering, and shakiness when I’m anxious. (I’m diagnosed with severe anxiety amongst other things)
But yeah if it’s out of context and like random chills without the anxiety is different
I'm diagnosed with clinical depression, it is not fun or quirky, some days I sleep too much, other days I can't sleep at all, I struggle with my memories and procrastination, some days I feel numb and other days I'm so emotional I get physical aches; nobody should want to have it, especially with the way I get treated because of my struggles.
I remember after being clinically diagnosed with anxiety, depression, ADHD and PTSD I broke the news to a few of my friends and one girl goes "OH BUT I HAVE OCD! TRY LIVING WITH THAT BEFORE YOU START WHINING" like ok....didn't know this was a competition
was the girl even diagnosed
You should drop her
Oh my gosh people make mental health such a competition. Even when they’re interacting with people who have the same disorder as them. I would see people with EDs have on their bios the amount of times they were hospitalized and that they were tubed, like it’s something to strive for. And then say things like “I’m not responsible for your triggers” mental illness is such a competitive topic which really needs to be stopped. Not everyone has a severe case, but that doesn’t mean that they are ‘failing’ at having the illness, and they shouldn’t be made to feel that way.
Bro i hate when people do that,, its not the fucking masochist olympics or some shit :/
What. The. Frick. Who SAYS that without a second thought of "wait this sounds stupid and I shouldn't say that"? If you're still with that person, get away from them as soon as possible. They're going nowhere in life if they think that's a healthy thing to say.
As a neurodivergent person, people forget that yeah you may experience/do some of the things say a person with ADHD, Autism, anxiety, etc do doesn’t necessarily mean you have ADHD, autism, anxiety, etc. When it comes to disorders, it’s about the duration and how much it’s affecting you in your daily life. Just because you lose interest in something, doesn’t mean you have ADHD. Plus that’s so vague. People with depression lose interest in things too. If you’re bored, you lose interest. Just because you experience anxiety for a couple of days does not mean you have GAD. Anxiety is a normal and natural thing to experience. It’s when it affects you negatively daily is when someone should further look into it. That’s why it’s good to go to a psychiatrist/psychologist (if you’re financially able to do so) so they can do differential diagnoses to make sure it’s not just stress. I’m confused about what exactly is quirky about being depressed, anxious, having ocd, masking so people won’t think you’re weird, not being able to do timely tasks until the VERY last moment, racing and intrusive thoughts????? What’s so quirky about that?
Exactly!
Well said!
My thing was idk how much it’s affecting my life because I’ve always been the way I am and had the brain I had and struggled with a lot of the same things- and have built coping mechanisms and things to help. Like I take clothes, hairbrush, watch and laptop on the bathroom for a shower because when I get out If I go back to my room I’d end up zoning out staring at the wall and waste a ton of time. But it wasn’t until I realised how much could be linked to adhd and falling into a rabbit hole of research I realised how much other people didn’t actually struggle with it. I assumed everyone thought and felt the same as me and I just needed to “try harder”. I thought I was very organised, but I was overcompensating for what I couldn’t do. All the time I literally shouted out in assembly because of no impulse control, interrupt people daily without meaning to, forget what I’m going to say, interrupt myself, bene told my brain is working way faster than my mouth can say words and my hand can write , I talk too fast or too loud or too quiet (volume regulation), the way the amount of energy I seem to have (while feeling exhausted inside) is annoying and exhausting to people and lead to alienation from other people. And just how much of my life would be easier if the ADHD traits I have were removed. Also the fact both my parents have just quietly acknowledged I do have it and just never thought to get me tested because I was “smart and well behaved” and my school saw it as “Megan being Megan” while saying I needed to “slow down and focus” and I “have a tendency to go on tangents” and “flit from one activity to the next with little control or constancy “ even now at Alevel (16-18) and my mum will always go “every teacher has said that and no one has ever been able to get it out of her” and I’m just there like I’m trying.
I’ve always been the weird “annoying” loud kid who talks 24/7 (whether someone listens or not) who is very scattered and has her “heads in the cloud”.
Trying to start the process for a diagnosis but it looks like I’m going to have to wait till I’m 18.
Exactly! I've had really bad anxiety for years now, it started when I was around like 11 or 12 and got worse slowly but after quarantine it just worsened so quickly.
I fail to see how it is quirky to feel physically ill and be unable to breathe because you can't stand going to a school that's actually really good where you like most of the classes and have friends.
I fail to see how it's quirky to be physically unable to tell a teacher that you're not up to doing something because of your anxiety, leading you to sneak off when your class is about about to do said thing and hyperventilate and bawl your eyes out because you can't handle how stressed it makes you feel.
It's not fun. It's such a hindrance to my life that I'm almost constantly miserable because of it. I have had so much time off this year because of my anxiety and it doesn't help me feel better to stay home, it makes me feel like I'm a lazy bum who isn't going to get anywhere in life, which is such a massive fear of mine. Anxiety is not easy to live with and it's so painful to see how people are acting like it's desirable to have it, or other mental illnesses. It's not all fun and games and quirky, it's a struggle and in a lot of cases it severely lowers quality of life.
YES, it’s not quirky or fun to be constantly considered an outcast for reasons you don’t understand
My ADHD went undiagnosed for 17 years. I always knew that something wasn't quite right with me, my grades were never great, I couldn't focus, I hated myself for not being able to just do the simplest things, and I felt like I was a disappointment to my family. I was just made to believe that I was just lazy and that I wasn't trying hard enough, because that's the easy answer. I was so afraid of self diagnosing due to the stigma surrounding it and because of the overwhelming amount of misinformation that spreads online which, to this day, makes me question what I can truly rely on.
omg twin getting diagnosed at 17. no offence but im assuming ur a girl too because that can definitely affect likelyhood of getting diagnosed as the 'typical view of adhd' is a hyperactive boy.
@@belowthewindow You are quite correct! No offense taken haha
When I was 17 I was pretty convinced that I had adhd, but everybody in my life said it couldn't be true, that "everyone those days think they have adhd". Keep in mind people said that before social media was a thing. Because of that I discredited myself and went on undiagnosed and struggling, until finally seen a psychiatrist who diagnosed me with adhd at the age of 34.
As someone who ACTUALLY has anger issues, it's honestly infuriating to see someone faking it.
a little late to the party, but I'm diagnosed with depression and OCD. my OCD diagnosis came just last year after struggling with it my whole life, and just generally not understanding how nuanced and unique OCD can be for each person it effects. I opened up about it to a friend who was like "oh yeah, I'm OCD too, I do so many things by habit without thinking about it haha." meanwhile I'm trying to explain that seeing dirty dishes gives me panic attacks and how I can't touch certain foods without feeling contaminated. she just kept talking over me with surface level things ("I put hand sanitizer on after every customer at work even if we didn't touch at all!!") because that's what she was exposed to and led to believe was all OCD. misinformation sucks ass and people online generalizing actual disorders invalidates people that actually suffer from them. its so nasty.
I actually remember, my dad used to make jokes on how my mom was "OCD".
It's a good thing he stopped.
Oh yeah the OCD thing bothers me A LOT I see so much stuff everywhere and no one ever takes it seriously unless it’s in circles that already know it’s not a joke
Exactly! I have ocd and none of my compulsions even involve cleaning of organizing at all. It sucks when societies view of your disorder is so different than it actually is. It makes it so hard to talk about with all the misinformation everywhere.
I've seen people saying they have OCD so much and then saying they do "surface level things" as you said and i don't get how people don't know what OCD actually is. Either that or there's people saying "i think everyone is a little OCD" as in just saying how alot of people like to wash their hands before a meal or sm if that makes sense (I don't have OCD myself but i know the meaning)
almost every single one of my classmates thinks OCD is all about perfectionism and cleaning.. it absolutely disgusts me.
“yeah I have OCD. I always have to line up my pens and pencils in order and make sure everything is organized. I get annoyed when it’s not.”
“I’m so OCD and I’m a neat freak. I always clean everything so much even when I just did haha.”
I completely understand some individuals with OCD do act this way, but these people (the stereotypers and fakers) are so infuriating to watch.
It's pretty hurtful when people make having ADD or ADHD a trendy or "cool" thing to have. I was diagnosed with ADD when I was 13 and I struggled throughout high school to the point of almost failing out. I was nervous to tell my teachers or the school about it so I never got any extra help or extra time. I do think that a lot of people my age have gone undiagnosed and have add or adhd but it's not a trendy or cool thing.
Just a heads up, ADD is actually now an outdated term. It's all ADHD now
@@tink1470 ohhh thank you. So I just have ADHD?
@@torinbradish9858 ADHD-PI which stands for primarily inattentive I believe
@@isabellek-q3183 thank you!
Mine paired with my depression makes me not able to do shit im like fatigued all the time and no one understands how bad it is for me
I feel like something that these tiktoks miss is the component of serious and persistent distress associated with any of the symptoms they're listing, which is an actual diagnostic criterion for many disorders, neurological, emotional, and personality alike. I don't have ADHD because I have trouble motivating myself, I have ADHD because I experience disabling anxiety and depression associated with my inability to motivate myself even while under extreme pressure. I didn't get my OCD diagnosis because I have a couple of weird habits and I feel anxious sometimes, I got it because I was hurting myself in response to intrusive thoughts that horrified me and completely consumed my life. Everybody has weird behaviors and anxieties and mood fluctuations, but they're only a disorder when they are impacting your quality of life in a material way, consistently, over substantial periods of time.
I feel like if there was a way to make that caveat stick in people's minds, it might reduce the number of people who want to "upgrade" their quirks into a pathology, but that might be optimistic.
These are TikTok videos, no way you're gonna find nuance in them. But it's also sad that people take what they see on there for granted. I got diagnosed with ADHD when I was 9 but it took me until last year to found out I was struggling with it. and I didn't even use TikTok. I used Google. I googled , like why am I finishing all of my assignments under pressure?
I have my reasons why I don’t install TikTok
The whole "signs you have adhd" thing to me is an unfortunate side effect to a bigger problem, that being the official resources themselves are fairly vague and seem like they can apply to anyone without a professional eye. I had no idea I had adhd even though I'm very familiar with the dsm5 because most of the symptoms are things that normal people do. The "signs you have adhd" videos aren't wrong, they're just lacking the key caveats of frequency and effect on your life.
I mean, this. A disorder is when things effect your life in multiple areas. For example, some one can be a naturally anxious, but it doesn't effect their everyday life.
There's a lot of nuance missing, plenty of people forget stuff but do you forget so much stuff that your failed university or your wife divorced you? Plenty of people get impulsive but do you get so impulsive that you drank 12 beers, took a tab of acid and went for a joy ride?
I think for the most part, people forget about the last D, disorder. These things have to be ruining your life, not just making it a bit hard sometimes.
Life is hard, there's nothing wrong with you if your life is hard. But if one day you wake up and find yourself recently divorced, alcoholic and homeless like I did, you may need to re-evalutate some things.
@@IsaacMorgan98 hmm, I agree that "the symptoms must cause impairment or emotional distress" is a simple fact of having a dsm5 diagnoses, but I'd like to equally combat this insinuation that one must exist in terms of extremes to be disordered. I'm professionally diagnosed with adhd, and am able to maintain a part time job and excellent grades. Adhd has certainly not "ruined my life" but I still _objectively_ deal with abnormal levels of impulsivity and forgetfulness daily, it just mainly affects my interpersonal relationships and personal projects. The answer isn't to swing to the other extreme and say you must be at rock bottom or demonstrate extreme inability to function in society to seek a diagnosis. In fact people SHOULD question whether or not something's wrong with them and find out what it is and how to mitigate it before things get the that point. I'm glad _I_ did.
Your experiences and other peoples experience are different as a person with adhd your don’t speak for me
@@Roki4882 do you have the kind of ADHD where you just have difficulty focusing on boring tasks?
"Awareness" is worthless when it's misinformation disguised as education. I'll graduate with my bachelor of science in psychology this year (then continue on to honours and masters) and with every year of education I just become more and more aware of the HARM that this type of content can cause. But not only is it dangerous, it's also generally just... useless? Like, great, maybe you did reach someone with an undiagnosed mental disorder and now they feel validated - but what next? These creators aren't providing resources on the different ways to seek help. In fact, they're often disparaging of therapy, medication, or seeking out professional help in any capacity.
Hey, also working on my psych degree here! (Early congrats on graduating btw!)
I definitely agree, true awareness has to be fact based. And yes, I think it is so important to follow up with steps to address specific symptoms, not just take the label and end it there. It’s trivializing real disorders that can cripple peoples lives- even take them unfortunately.
GIRL YOU SAID THIS SO NICELY
yes and people get so shocked when a disorder is not only pretty crying but an actual illness
Ya know what I hate? As a Roblox role-player myself I hate how when I wanna rp in maple hospital ( no I am not 5. ) all the fam rps I see are “ abusive family “ and it saddens me because there’s lots of people who do have abusive families and yes I do rp in those which I don’t like but yet I still play it, even people give their ocs MENTAL ILLNESSES AND SERIOUS THINGS. SUCH AS BEING COLORBLIND AND HAVING AUTISM, which I hate. I gave my oc golden child syndrome because I learnt about it first and yes I know it’s not a QuIrKy thing but it’s to make my oc more detailed. What you gonna hate? Look every artist does that anyway but they HAVE to learn about it first. One time while I was rping and then.. some wolf girl said * turns colorblind suddenly * and I was just like . “ WHAT?!” MENTAL ILLNESSES AND OTHER THINGS LIKE OTHER THINGS RELATED TO MEDICAL THINGS THAT AFFECT YOUR LIFE ARENT A TOY YOU CAN USE PEOPLE. ITS A VERY REAL AND SERIOUS THING! *neither do I have any mental Illnesses but my oc is not me. It’s an oc*
im so shocked that people would do this i often see people on tiktok faking and doing sh for attention its absolutely disgusting i have a sh addiction and its so horrible.
Thank you for covering this topic! I have BPD, and the glamorization of serious disorders among kids on Tiktok is both disheartening see and damaging to the kids who are making it their identity. It's giving 2015 tumblr vibes.
same here. its really concerning to me seeing these 13 year olds convince themselves they have bpd. its one of the most stigmatized disorders out there and I cant imagine how badly its going to fuck them up when they grow up and realize it was never bpd at all...this shit is life ruining I hate it and I cant imagine going through my teenage years being convinced I was borderline and even telling others about it only for it not to be true. the amount of ostracism and demonization these kids will receive as a result of self identifying as borderline is awful and I just wish they could see the position they're putting themselves in
I was recently diagnosed with BPD, and I remember that for a long time I had it in the back of my mind that I might have it. I could let it slip in casual conversations that I have all the symptoms typical with BPD, but now I can’t bring myself to tell many other people. Actually having a something is a whole different animal than relating to symptoms on TikTok. In the real world, you feel way more stigma than you ever did online
@@serenityblock7557 this is exactly how i was. now i only tell people about it if they’re telling me about experiences they’re having that are similar to mine and i’m suggesting things that could possibly help a little. otherwise i keep that shit under lock and key
@@sylmaerie I can count on 2 hands the number of people I’ve told about my diagnosis irl, but I cannot say the same about my depression and anxiety. It’s like people understand that anxiety and depression are just mental illnesses, but having a personality disorder? ThAtS scARy wHAtS wROnG WItH YOu (/s) and tiktoks aren’t helping to get rid of the stigma when they share really broad or downright wrong info
As someone with severe Tourettes and a stutter since 2013 it really makes me sick how people think it’s quirky. It honestly just ruins your life and all these tik tok videos are insulting.
👆👆👆 and tourettes isn't a mental illness. It can be exacerbated by mental illnesses but it isn't one and people really need to learn that. I also have tourettes, and I have anxiety, and when I'm anxious I twitch. But I twitch when I'm happy and when I'm bored and when I'm literally just sitting there doing nothing bc it's a neurological issue!!
also just so interesting how tic fakers will never fake more problematic tics that can get ppl into trouble, or severe physical tics that could cause injury...
@@FaithMurri So…It’s a mental illness then?
I was diagnosed with adhd close to 10 years ago. It’s kinda wild seeing society go from mercilessly mocking it to nearly half of my coworkers claiming to “totally have it.”
Hell, maybe the do. I’m not a doctor. But it’s kinda wild when people are like “we need more ✨representation✨since everyone I knew with ADHD were super annoying and weird” when you ARE that person lmao. Maybe y’all just don’t have it bro
Thanks for talking about this! I always get nervous that I don't really have the mental illnesses i have because i almost don't follow the "social media trend" of it. Working through that now with my therapist but yeah, manic episodes and depression isn't pretty and not something that is openly shared to the general public. Great video :)
my heart hurts. ADHD means life is insanely hard. we die in accidents 20% more often. we have such low working memory that even cooking a recipe can be intensely difficult. we're stigmatized out the wazoo as it is, the last thing we needed was for a bunch of bored jerks to go out there and make us look even less valid than we already do.
it's an invisible disorder, and this kind of clout-chasing garbage makes it so much worse. I've been on the internet for the last 30 years and people have gotten... amoral behind the screen, is the best word I can think of. I think if you could travel back to 1998 and ask teenagers then if this is okay, most would say it's pretty obviously wrong and likely to bite you in the ass later, because that's what we were taught. the heck is going on here? is it JUST clout-chasing and influencer culture?
I also want to add that in another video's comment section yesterday, I saw a very eugenics-y guy going off on "ADHDt*rds" and how we all deserve to be put out of our misery because we're "a massive drain on society". I mean on the one hand, who hurt you, but on the other... yikes.
Yeah, tbh what gets me is that the stuff that can cause this landslide can be some truly useful information for someone out there. I've been struggling with something I'm near certain isn't just depression and anxiety but before I can get myself tested everyone wants a full fucking essay written about why I think I have x and even though I could technically just do it that's just not possible for me. Certain people on tiktok have helped me and many others figure out where to start, but then the game of telephone happens and it gets bad. I think self diagnosing and asking for help (while disclosing it's not official) can be healthy but self diagnosing then trying to help others with tips from someone who may not even have the problem is not good
@@xXluluchanelXx I've seen that guy too?? Assuming it wasn't the same video it sounds like that dude might just be hyperfixated on this particular topic... maybe he who doth protest too much ought to get a test as such. :)
I keep telling my family that I'm pretty forgetful from my ADHD (I was professionally diagnosed), and they just keep chalking it up to me being lazy. It feels hurtful especially because they don't understand how it feels to place something down to do something, then come back to be unable to remember where you put it, and then be called lazy. I genuinely feel upset and fear whenever I realize I forgot something because i know that saying that I forgot, is gonna result in being yelled at by all my family
I felt it at the cooking an recipe, I struggle that everyday which I barely cook. I have ADHD since I was five and takes pills ever since. It upsets me people just find it cool/trendy to fake it.
What a timing, I just got diagnosed with ADHD today. I had been avoiding getting a diagnosis for over a year because of these tiktoks, as I was worried that I would be seen as one of those people that think they have it just because they can't focus sometimes. Not only is this hurting kids who start self diagnosing, it's also hurting people who actually have the disorder and are too embarrassed to find help because they feel like they are subconsciously faking it or something. Thanks so much for talking about this
This is how I’m feeling with me and being autistic. Haven’t been diagnosed yet (the past 3 years of my life have been so unstable with moves across countries and cities and states I haven’t barely been able to get my yearly blood draw let alone an autism diagnosis!!) but I am scared of going for a diagnosis bc I’m worried I’ll be told I don’t have autism and then everything I thought about myself is just a lie :’D I’ve learned a lot about autism from social media, while also worrying about what that entails in my real life (bc I do not live on social media lol) and in my real life I worry about what autism can mean to my relationships, my career (public school teacher), even my own family (Cuban/Colombian who have a lot of stigma about mental health). So I keep in on the dl until I can get that diagnosis and even then something I’ll keep close to my close family/partner/ closest friend (not even my judgmental Colombian extended relatives can know !)
This, I always felt like I was following a "trend" because suddenly everyone in my class had anxiety? I wasn't diagnosed at that time, but it was so rough to think that "you're just lying to yourself and want attention" when I thought I had GAD. I researched it online a lot, but I always felt as if I was faking it.
@@wrinkleintime4257 honestly I think you should look at it the other way. If you go there and you're told you dont have autism, you probably dont have autism and you can move on and figure out what else could be causing you to be the way you are. Now of course people do get misdiagnosed but it's still better to always get an evaluation from a professional (if possible) rather than just reading online and watching tiktoks and deciding you're autistic but too scared of seeing a doctor and finding out that you're actually not. Because it's not like as long as a doctor doesn't say you dont have it you do if you get what i mean. You may just not have it and a doctors evaluation wont change it, they can just help you clear things up and if it turns out you're autistic they can help you get the support you need.
@@alaskabane5340 I can really relate to having the feeling that you’re faking something out of your control, my parents think I might have adhd, especially as my brother was just diagnosed, and I’ve thought so too for a long time (I relate to the symptoms and they have and continue to effect my school and daily life negativity. I’m failing) I feel really nervous that I’m getting assessed soon because what if I’m just faking it or kidding myself
thanks so much for bringing this up. i doubted that i had ADHD for so long because people always hated on those who self-diagnosed. even though i saw myself in nearly all the symptoms and did tears of research, i would always come back to thinking i was faking it and that everyone experiences life like i do. eventually i did get diagnosed though, which definitely helped relieve some of that doubt.
I love when I have to explain what generals anxiety is to people. Its not worrying about everyday stuff all the time. No its much worse.
I would not wish it on any one.
My parents have refused to let me see a psychiatrist because when I said I was concerned thinking I had social anxiety my parents thought I got it off the internet(I was living under a rock at the time and had no idea it was trending.)
A few years later I tell my uncle who is a professional therapist about it and told him the reasons why I thought I had social anxiety and he said I do have the symptoms.
I wasn't able to find out because of the internet.
I was diagnosed with Tourettes right around the time it became a huge trend on tiktok, despite having actually struggled with my symptoms for six years prior. Very awful time for me and I was in denial for a super long time and still am from time to time, because I don't want to be associated with online fakers. It literally grosses me out to talk about. So cool, tiktok
Yeah those people are sociopaths I can’t really do anything to help but let’s all get together and stop giving these people recognition the less views these people get the better
I feel the same way except I'm still undiagnosed. I got a video recommendation here on yt about ADHD in women and I feel like I have it. But I was in denial at first until I started researching more about it. I decided to get diagnosed because I have most of the symptoms according to what I've researched (and I've noticed these since I was a child, I even get punished for it).
Unfortunately, I have to wait for 3 or more months in order to get a free consultation with a professional so I decided to join an online group where they talk about mental health. That's where I found out that there's an ongoing trend that includes(?) ADHD which made the diagnosis for it much stricter. I don't have tiktok nor do I follow trends so I wasn't aware about it before. This made me hesitant to get checked and I'm still trying to think if I really have it. I'm really scared that the psychiatrist will think im one of these people faking and might invalidate my struggles growing up.
Tbh, I just want the medication. I really need that rn as someone who's almost graduating in College. Sorry for the long comment, I've been wanting to share my thoughts about this for 2 months now but never had the chance to 😅✌🏼
@@faith9639 hopefully you get the help you deserve as soon as possible, it really sucks having to deal with any mental illness so I wish you the best.
@@faith9639 same, I’m only a young teenager and I don’t have TikTok, my mom and sister both have dyslexia and adhd and recently I’ve been noticing that I probably have it too, but now watching these videos to understand more about it I feel like I’m just faking it, whenever I find something like or if I think I might have it, like i recently found out I had wavy hair, I did many the research but people had wavier hair so I thought I didn’t have wavy hair but I did just not as well, WAVY I know it doesn’t compare quite well but I think you get the point (faking it as in thinking I’m only thinking a lot because I THINK I have adhd or if I randomly start shaking my leg to help focus I’m only doing it because I THINK I have adhd and I’m only doing it to prove that theory when I’n reality I’ve always done it)
I thunk "adult edition" was referring to the fact that ADHD often presents very differently in adults than it does in kids, which is unfortunately not very well known and leads to a lot of adults not getting diagnosed or getting diagnosed very late in life, since it is viewed as something kids have and not adults.
Excuse me if I’m wrong, but isn’t diagnosing most adhd as children idiotic? I mean children are naturally more hyperactive with a lower attention span, and for many it naturally levels out. I mean it’s good that kids who need it get diagnosed, but I hope they’re not slapping the label on willy-nilly. Measures can be implemented to improve a kid’s attention, such as diet and environment. Of course, some kids just need to mature a bit. I just hope these measures are taken because meds are not a fun and light thing to take.
I think the best time to diagnose it is as teenagers, because that’s when most “adult diagnosed” people noticed they started slipping through the cracks at school or in their executive functions. Only being eager to diagnose the typical little white boys is… weird? It’s like something is missing, Idk.
@@moethemoon There’s three types of ADHD -> inattentive, hyperactive, and mixed. You don’t act up a little in class and get given Adderall. And despite what fear-mongering opinion pieces say, there isn’t an over-diagnoses problem of ADHD. There’s an under-diagnosis problem of girls, specifically.
@@moethemoon Respectfully disagree. My four year old is in the process of getting diagnosed. The first assessment showed he is already behind in fine motor skills because he doesn't have the ability to pay attention or sit still long enough to work on them.
We need to get it dealt with before he starts school because any activity that doesn't hold his interest he can't do. He will just get up and leave. This is okay while he is at daycare, not okay once he starts school. It also affects his emotional regulation so when he is told he needs to sit down and do it he will argue. It affects his impulse control- he essentially has none, so I have no doubt he'd run out the room.
I'm not sure about other countries but here it is really difficult to get diagnosed. I brought it up with daycare and they agreed. I then went to my GP who referred me to a paed occupational therapist. Myself and his daycare teachers had to fill out paperwork. He then had a 90 minute observation with the OT. I had to fill out more paperwork there and then give more forms to daycare.
Then I had a meeting with the OT 3 weeks later after she'd processed all the paperwork as well as the assessments she did for the observation, as well as a plan. OTs can't diagnose ADHD, just highlight the behaviours.
Then we took that paperwork back to our GP who referred us to a paediatrician. Our appointment isn't for 7 more months. Once we get it, they will likely want to do more assessments.
In the mean time he has weekly appointments with the OT so we can work on his behaviours and deficits. Daycare is also working close with them. The only diagnosis anyone is expecting is ADHD.
So far I've spent around $2000 and that will continue to increase, and we still don't have the official diagnosis. The paed visits will also be costly and it is possible they'll want him to see a paed psychiatrist if they think the interventions aren't enough and he needs to be medicated.
We are sorting out disability funding due to the needs the OT has found and are likely to get it because they like early intervention which will help him get the things he needs.
His isn't even *that bad*. I'm a paediatric RN with post grad qualifications in child development so I saw the signs early. I waited until his fourth birthday to confirm that they weren't just usual toddler behaviour. It's possible other parents would just think 'boys being boys' or that their kid is just very energetic or even naughty. They'd wait until their child started school and then get constant phone calls about their child's behaviour. Then they'd start the process. Disability funding is a lot harder to get in my country after the child is 7, because again, they like early intervention because long term it costs them a lot less.
Then they'll have atleast a year for a diagnosis to be made in which time their child will fall further and further behind.
We're lucky that we were able to intervene when the only main area of normal development he was behind in is fine motor skills, because as time goes in he won't be interested in reading or writing or maths and he wouldn't have the skills to work on them despite having no interest.
I still worry about school, even though it's almost two years away for us - we'd already decided to hold him back a year - and that's with him having early intervention and supportive, educated parents and a great daycare.
Early intervention is the best thing you can give a child who has any behavioural or developmental issues or delays. It provides the best long term outcomes for them.
@@moethemoon Not at all. I’m an elementary school teacher and most children with ADHD start falling through the cracks as early as kindergarten if they aren’t identified and early interventions aren’t taking place. They cannot sit still (a typically developing kindergartener can sit quietly to work on a structured task-writing, reading, doing a puzzle, playing a simple game, etc, anywhere between 10-15 minutes before getting restless; children with ADHD often cannot make it past 3-5 minutes). What worsens it is that many children, especially boys, are given tablets and gaming consoles early. That’s the only time they can sit still, when they receive instant gratification. I have students who will straight up tell me they were on youtube or playing roblox or minecraft for hours all night and only got 3 hours of sleep. So now, not only are these children unable to attend to a simple task for any period of time, but they expect instant gratification for everything. It’s so hard for them to function in a traditional classroom, they miss out on learning because of inattentiveness or inability to focus and if they miss critical foundational skills in kinder (alphabetic principle, number sense, etc) they go into first grade already at a disadvantage.
@PestoMayo Yes to that last part, especially if it’s a girl! It’s brushed off as daydreaming and if, like you said, they’re still getting excellent grades, it’s even harder to diagnose.
Thank you for being a voice of reason about all this. I am a diagnosed autistic person with real and difficult daily struggles. There is a trend of self-diagnosing so many things nowadays including autism, and based mainly on social media content like what is described in this video. I find the trend of self-diagnosing to be alarming, and have seen many mental health professionals say the same thing and that many teenagers misdiagnose themselves. But it also trivializes and invalidates the real struggles that an autistic person has when people are self-diagnosing based on TikTok videos. I have seen posts online from people saying they went for an assessment but the doctor said they didn't have autism, and the replies are always that the doctor must be wrong and not autism aware, the replies are never that the person might not actually have autism and the doctor may be right. Another alarming thing is people trying to change the autism diagnostic criteria so that a person wondering if they are autistic because they don't meet all the criteria (eg. they don't have any repetitive behaviors or they don't have special intense interests) can still call themselves autistic, according to these people. It is getting to the point of ridiculous. I have even seen people post that because they go to church, religion can be considered their special interest! Well, millions of people go to church! While I do understand that there are self-diagnosed autistic people who are autistic, I am alarmed by the trend of people self-diagnosing by exactly what is described in this video. These lists are so general that soooo many people are going to identify with many things on them. A REAL autism assessment is LONG and intense, involving many tests and questions that are nothing like the self tests available on the internet. Now people self-diagnose autism and apply it like a fashion label, state how they have "superpowers" and it's so wonderful. And if anyone like me talks about having a disability, well we would get bashed by these self-righteous people because of course we don't have a "disability" and are not allowed to view ourselves the way WE want to view ourselves, even if we immensely struggle and need help from others, we are just "different", but in a good way! Do you want to live a month in my shoes and see what it's really like? Or how about an ASD level 3 person that is nonverbal and needs constant care? I don't like the fact that autism has become this romanticized thing, a fashion label kind of thing, and having my struggles trivialized and invalidated. I also don't agree with call-outs of gatekeeping (overused term) when someone tries to point out all these issues and the dangers of self-diagnosing based on TikTok and other social media. I've laid out some of my concerns as an autistic person and what I've seen and experienced. If actual mental health professionals are seeing issues with (incorrect) self-diagnosing, and diagnosed autistic people are seeing the kinds of things discussed in this video, then why isn't what we have to say valid, why shouldn't those concerns be valid? I don't feel like I can honestly have a voice about being autistic anymore and I'm a diagnosed autistic person.
Well done with this! This is the most well intentioned, carefully worded and informative video around the ideas of fake disorders, self-diagnosis etc.
when I first saw your video title I was worried because tiktok really helped me confront the fact that I have autism. autism is quite common in my family and it’s something I’ve always kind of known but struggled to accept; but I never got a diagnosis because I am 30 and have spent my entire life masking so I knew they would most likely tell me I didn’t have it. but after watching your video I feel the complete opposite because of the amount of time, energy, and care I have put into understanding being on the spectrum. like it took me months and months to accept it because I really really wanted to be sure, I doubted myself no matter how many signs pointed to the fact that I had it. because while self-diagnosing can be helpful in many ways, when you just watch a few tiktoks and give yourself that title you are attaching yourself to a narrative that may not even be true. that’s why you have to be so incredibly careful with that kind of thing. that being said, the mental health field is failing the population in many ways so I think self-diagnosing has a place and is necessary sometimes. there is a balance between the professionals and our own experience. anyways wow, yeah - holy shit were those tiktoks general. 😂
I feel like I'm looking at myself in the mirror. Thank you, Jenna. Autism is in my family (diagnosed legitimately) and I've always been "extremely sensitive my whole life" according to my patients. I, too, am almost 30. Always been a high performer academically and in my career but "different." I have had diagnosed anxiety & depression since 2013, but finally went to a psychiatrist this past fall. He told me I was "quirky." That's it. I told him my fears, my sensitivities to fabrics/scents/touch, how I wouldn't talk until I was 12, etc. It was incredibly disheartening because then he told me I was like "Ricky Bobby" from Talladega Nights when I shared that I hated driving due to traumatic car accidents. In this scenario, the professional failed me.
@@mrscoolwhipp I am so sorry that the psych industry failed you so. Often those in the mental health industry put a focus on “functionality”. Are you able to be a productive member of society? If so - then you are no longer in need. In today’s world there are more and more people suffering, and mental health professionals are overloaded so they become focused on getting people stable in the present while forgetting about the bigger picture and this means so many individuals fall through the cracks. I’ve been diagnosed with everything under the sun. First it’s one thing, then another, then another. So I HAVE had things validated by mental health professionals only to learn that it was incorrect or was missing giant pieces of the puzzle. The help I would receive would only cause a domino effect of issues down the line. I’ve been heavily medicated on so many different prescriptions only to continue struggling year after year. Nothing helped. When I would try and explain that I needed help I would be told that I was self-aware and emotionally intelligent and that I should be the one helping them. This has made me feel incredibly hopeless throughout my life and has led me doubt my own intuition. And that’s why it took me so long to accept I had autism, because there were other autistic people who were “worse off” than me. I had such a narrow understanding of the disorder that I assumed that I couldn’t possibly be on the spectrum, despite my gut telling me otherwise. There will always be people that believe they have autism who don’t, but I have found that the majority of autistic people actually struggle to accept that they have it. In fact, I know autistic people who HAVE had a legit diagnosis and still struggle to validate it for themselves. We are so accustomed to masking for survival we struggle to see where the masks stop and where we begin. There is an influx of autistic people because we are actually acknowledge these parts of ourselves. The best way to learn more about autism is from other autistic people. Just keep an eye out for super general tiktoks that are similar to those featured here and proceed with caution. I’m sorry that mental health services failed you, just know that your experience is valid. You know yourself better than anyone else. 💞
My family is Cuban / Colombian and now that I’m older and have learned more about autism I’m starting to see it may be very prevalent in my dad’s side of the family. (I say may bc there’s no way to tell if autism is a thing with family members who all left their home county, and many who are dead now that I never got to meet, but I just have family stories to go off of)
Which goes into the point of self diagnosing and what people of access to. Yeah autism may run in my family, but how are we to know? My dad was born in Cuba in the 50’s, my uncles were all born in Cuba, raised in the US. Autism feels like such a “white people” issue and statistically black and Latinx children are the least diagnosed unless it’s more on the high needs end of the spectrum. And as a Latina woman? Oooh boy!! I mentioned concerns about ADHD once to a therapist (which I don’t think I have but I asked a therapist about it) shut down instantly, not even considered as a possibility to explore more. Also notes about Latinx culture - all mental health topics contain a lot of stigma and lack of awareness/ education/ care in general. It’s too complex to discuss in a YT comment but yeah, there’s a lot to be said about the relationship between Latinx people, immigrants and mental health.
So yeah, social media has just highlighted things I’ve always known about myself and my family , but put names and reasons to it (I mean there’s also the generational and cultural trauma of being from a US immigrant family, first gen American, Spanish being my first language and what my parents use etc etc. there’s a lot of layers). So yeah it’s a tricky slippery slope. Bc on one hand having a wide community does a lot of good while also opening the doors to anyone being able to take up space for our voices. On that note I see few to none Latina ASD voices in these spaces, :’) I often feel insecure about having it and having to mask in more than just as neurotyoical but also in trying to navigate so many cultures. Am I autistic or just culturally different?? I am reluctant to admit being autistic as well, despite having many of the signs, and again with no clear family history to trace back and just the cultural lens of mental health awareness, it’s something I keep to myself until I can ask a doctor about it. And even that scares me- who am I to go against a pro? Will they just validate the fact I’m making this up?
I am glad to see a lot of black Autistic folks sharing their experiences though!
Autism isn't something you get from a parent though? Though I do find it odd , as I have it as well as my two brothers which are clinically been diagnosed and so does my mother , so it quite weird if it doesn't come from your parents?
ALL OF THIS!!!!!
On the sad girl thing, and depression and anxiety being used for aesthetic: it's so dentrimental to recovery for those who actually have it.
I'm always a little depressed, even when I'm not in my bad lows, and I'm always a little anxious, even on my meds which are just to help me function. I've been doing things to get better, and I can have a really good day, like surprising myself with how GOOD I feel.
And I've had people see me.in a good mood go "well I'm glad YOU'RE having a good time. I'm usually just always depressed, etc."
Like it's not a bad thing to feel good, especially if you're trying to recover or manage your mental health better, but even without.
Using mental illnesses for aesthetic and having people especially kids attach thier worth to it can make them feel shame on a good day
You always have worth, even when you are at your lowest, but getting better doesn't take it away. Just like how being ill doesn't.
It's like a worst version of the "tortured artist" trope, thinking mental anguish will improve your art and give it meaning and getting better will make it bad when that's 100% not the case.
I've always created my best stuff after I was out of a low end of my depression and on regular meds. You have worth period, every human does. But by making mental illness part of a cool crowd thing your pushing back recovery and making a toxic cycle.
That thing of having good days that make people think your depression isn’t “real” is so relatable to me. It’s so fucking frustrating that not being 100% sad and angry all of the time is seen as a sign of atypical depression, seeing as atypical depression is the most common kind of major depression. It is normal and ok for positive things to influence your mood positively, even if you have depression. Summer is coming where I live, and the good weather is doing amazing things for my mood. So, I’ve sort of gotten in the habit of doubting myself and the things I struggle with. The only way I’ve found to battle those thoughts is to try to make it as rational as possible, and go down a list of questions I ask myself. Because even on my good days, I still slip into negativity far too easily. Even on my good days, I usually end up angry with and dissapointed in myself. Even on my good days, I can’t function on the same level as other people around me. I get irritated, frustrated, angry. It’s normal, and it’s ok.
Thank you, it feels good to know that other people feels this too. I'm in a good patch rn and people, including my therapist, are all like "wow you're so much better now" when really my brain is still going the ways it has for years. But idk how to verbalize that and so when I swing back it'll be as bad as ever (or almost as bad, thank you medication) because my issues aren't magically resolved by a week of functioning at a "normal" persons level
It's like when people say "If Van Gogh wasn't depressed we wouldn't have Sunflowers" in spite of the fact that Van Gogh made his best paintings, including Sunflowers, WHILE HE WAS ON MEDICATION
Thank you for saying this. Sometimes I feel ashamed for getting better, because one of my best friends can't get help for their mental health issues, and the other one doesn't want to. I can't share any good news with them, and I can sense that it is pushing me into another depressive episode despite me being on medication. A week ago I finally realised that I want to live after 7 years of depression and I can't even tell my friends about it... I honestly feel even more lonely now than before.
Thank you for finally putting into words what I've been trying to figure out for so long, specifically how tiktok glorifies adhd.
I have Adhd and reading that list of "signs" reminded me of horoscopes. Your horoscope is "accurate" because it's a vague personality that is built on confirmation bias. I've literally gone down the list of each sign and thought to myself "yeah that's definitely me". These types of things are vague so people can look at them and think to themselves oh I've had times were I felt like I talked a lot or I've had times where I've been obsessed with a lot of things and there's never a differentiation given between when things are "normal" or "adhd".
Of course everyone can think they have a lot of obsessions(for example the amount of shows they might watch) because there's not a common comparison you can make. Everyone can think they talk to much simply due to the fact you are conscious of how much you talk.
The other thing is that these videos never go into ANY detail of how this might look like/present as in someone with adhd. Yes everyone feels like they talk to much, but does it feel like you have to control the conversation and feel like every thought you have MUST be shared, even if the conversation has moved past it or it would cause you to cut off someone else? Sure everyone feels like they can't pay attention when people are talking to them, but is it because your brain is trying to focus on ever conversation happening in the room even if it doesn't involve you or your distracted by movement around you or random sounds you pick up.? Yes everyone has trouble sleeping, but is it because your mind is constantly moving extremely quickly and can't slow down?
I have adhd not because I have these symptoms, but because these things are what's causing my symptoms. I personally think the content itself on tiktok it's necessarily bad. I used it as a jumping off point to question whether or not I might have it. But because creators don't go more in-depth into what it might present as specifically, then it causes these harmful results.
There are some amazing adhd content creators who dive deep into how these symptoms present and why they aren't just ✨quirky✨ personality traits. I feel a lot of validation seeing these creators talk about specific examples bc it gives me hope that I can be a functional adult and won't be automatically fucked up forever.
Tldr; the main issue with these adhd symptoms tiktoks is the fact they rely on confirmation bias, lack of differentiation between "normal" and "adhd" levels and never actually discuss how adhd causes these symptoms.
I'm glad someone else sees this like I do. The generalizations kill me. I'd bet there are a number of "ADHD influencers" who don't actually have it. The dancing is annoying too.
I dealt with a buttload of depression and anxiety over the past couple years. Instead of making list videos, it basically halted my content creation. I literally had to force myself to record a video.
My daughter has anxiety and ADHD and when watching this she was really upset because these “symptoms” are universally traits that literally anyone can have. Its scary to think that people are making this there personality. My daughter even had a friend that claims to have “anxiety” but yet never got diagnosed. Not to mention kids at her school use it as a crutch when they don’t even have it. My daughter is professionally diagnosed and it heart broken that people think they have a disorder that they don’t have, because reality they have no idea what my daughter or any other adult or child goes through in my opinion it’s attention seeking.
Also not to mention the song that was supposed to have her have a reaction didn’t make her do anything. She was still just a little shaky but that’s normal
That must suck. It’s really annoying when people fake such horrible diagnosis. I hope your daughter gets better
I am very sorry to hear I wish tik tok can ban this type of trend because it doesn’t help anything or anyone. For those of you who think u might have it please talk to a doctor do not watch a silly tik tok vid.
Not everyone can afford a professional diagnosis.
I hope your daughter's friend is around people who validate her. Kids are more likely to have anxiety today due to how messed up the world is. Support them instead of accusing them of faking. That shit literally kills people.
Just because someone doesn’t have a diagnosis doesn’t mean they’re not mentally ill, not everyone has the privilege and money to get one
another big gripe I have (which extends to pretty much every social media platform) is the absolute demonization of NPD and overuse of "narcissist". Someone being abusive doesn't mean they have NPD, and someone having NPD doesn't mean they're abusive.
THANK YOU
and the usage of "narcissist abuse" is so fucking dehumanizing (I have BPD but I feel for all my cluster B pals) it's not narcissist abuse, it's just abuse
100%👏
If you have too much empathy for someone who doesn’t have almost any, you’ll end up losing your sense of self completely, those who are on the highest end of that spectrum are very skilled at exploiting people who think the way you do
I see it used almost exclusively to medicalize moral judgements about people.
@@clairewillow6475 yikes (to be clear, the yikes is at your way of thinking)
Thank you, Casey, for this video. You bring up a lot of good points. I have so many feelings on this that I could never even begin to adequately express here. As a licensed mental health professional, my most dreaded opening to a session is: "so I saw this video on TikTok _____". I don't think people realize what actually goes into diagnosing someone (even as trained clinicians, we can still get it wrong). Not that the DSM is perfect by any means, but if we're going to go off of that, it's actually pretty difficult to meet criteria for many diagnoses let alone diagnose yourself accurately based off of signs and symptoms shared in TikTok video by someone who is most likely not a trained or licensed professional. It's very nuanced and can actually take many sessions or even months to accurately diagnose someone (if it's even important to diagnose, but that's a conversation for another time). I'm glad people want to de-stigmatize mental health issues, but the potential dangers of some of these videos is concerning (as Casey so very well explained in this video).
Casey, this is a great, thoughtful video and I really appreciate the time you put into it!
This is what makes me sad. Mental health issues aren't "trendy."
I feel like there is a difference between accepting you have a mental health issue and acting like your suffering is beautiful and in some ways, a fun asthetic.
Mental heath issues are not fun. They aren't "cool" or "quirky." As a person with OCD and Depression, I wouldn't say they are "beautiful."
Agreed. To me, the biggest issue with this is how it can affect people (including myself) who DO struggle with mental illness, either by applying internal pressure, being viewed differently from others, etc.
They romanticise it so much and it's horrible. I have severe anxiety and moderate depression. It's not beautiful, it's not fun, it's hindering and severely decreases a person's quality of life. It's horrible that people treat it like it's desirable, like it's something that they want and that they pretend to have it because it's 'cool' and it's 'quirky.' It's so stupid.
I have OCD too, and I've seen so many people create trends out of these disorders, and I've even seen some people create 'Disorder Pride Flags". This world's sucks sometimes.
It's soo fucking frustrating
I agree. I was clinically diagnosed with mild depression, severe anxiety, and moderate OCD, and while I’ve made a lot of progress with my depression, it sometimes feels like im drowning in the symptoms of my OCD and anxiety. There was a point where seeing sunsets would trigger panic attacks for me and i associated nighttime with feeling sick, meaning that I couldn’t do things like go out to dinner with friends or really do anything late besides stay in my room with my windows and curtains shut. Anxiety doesn’t look like an exaggerated reaction to some song, it’s not a romanticized plot device to make people pay attention to me. It’s something that stops me from participating in parts of my life that I wish I could be there for but make my stomach sink with dread and air feel out of reach. OCD isn’t being slightly irked by how someone eats a Kit Kat bar, it’s double-blocking my windows until no cracks show and repeating thoughts unconsciously until they’re the only thing swimming through my head. While they can manifest differently for everyone, people shouldn’t be teaching others (especially influenceable kids on tik tok) that mental illnesses are fun and cool.
i've struggled with my mental health for a long time (i'm clinically diagnosed with ADHD, an eating disorder, depression, GAD and OCD), and i've noticed a lot of the ways people treat me have changed since being mentally ill has become so, well, popular on tiktok.
in the past i was severely bullied for having adhd. i was made fun of for struggling with depression and self harm. people would purposely do things to trigger panic and anxiety attacks. certain classmates of mine would constantly touch my things although they knew damn well that my OCD and fear of contamination stopped me from being able to touch things someone else had touched. when i was first admitted to a psych ward after a suicide attempt, i was the laughing stock of my year and several people told me that there was no way i was actually depressed because i "would've managed to actually kill myself" if i was.
i was hospitalised for my ED just before the first wave of covid, and that's when i first noticed a change. the first couple of weeks in hospital i got messages making fun of my ED, telling me that i should 'just eat', that i was a sinner for even being ill at all and "not accepting the body god gave me".
then, after i was released, suddenly people wanted to be friends with me, because they had somehow decided that mental illness was trendy and cool now. when we first started having lessons at school instead of online, i literally heard nothing but people say "omg i'm so OCD" for liking things colour coded or "my ADHD is acting up" for getting distracted in class.
the most insane thing to me was that i genuinely got asked for tips to develop a mental illness. TIPS. to develop severe and life altering illnesses. and i'm not just talking about the classic "wait you're anorexic right? can you give me tips on losing weight?" i'm also talking about shit like "what made you depressed? i want to skip school too" or "how can i have OCD? i want to be tidy and organised too".
people are wishing for mental illnesses and disorders and it honestly makes me sick. it's because of people like that, that actually mentally ill people get told they're faking it for attention or that it's "just a phase".
TLDR; i guess what i'm trying to say is that people have been treating me like an alien for years due to my mental illnesses and now that it's become a trend they're wishing to have the same issues they bullied me for and that's insane to me.
Wow,thats so horrible ...
Hope karma will get to them,thats just evil
no way the shit i just read actually happened. i'm not scrutinizing you or anything, but damn, you had it rough. I'm sorry for you, brother.
that is disgraceful
im so sorry that happened to you :(
And the problem is, when it comes to the questions people were asking you, people are probably getting those ideas from things like TikTok, Instagram, and even stores (obsessive Christmas disorder, Christmas calories don’t count, and things like that) that provide the idea that it is quirky and can actually be helpful in one’s life, instead of something that is miserable. There is this awful community of people faking it to make it seem fun to have and that is just serving to worsen the stigma.
i hope this doesn't come out wrong but if i may ask, why did you stay at the school you were in? did you let anyone know people were bullying you like this? because my god that sounds horrible, i'm so sorry you had to go through that. i hope you can find ways to heal
Totally! You nailed this, my friend. This is one of the main reasons I won’t engage with TikTok.
I remember in middle school I overheard a girl joking that she was having a panic attack. I don’t really remember what about but even then, before I had my first panic attack, I knew she was in the wrong. She very clearly wasn’t showing any signs, and while everyone is different, I could barely manage “I think I’m having a panic attack” to my friend while having my first one. I know more now than ever how cruel it was for her to joke about that seeing as I’ve had at least three or four in the last year alone. Panic attacks are terrifying. My first one, the whole world went quieter, I could barely hear or focus on my friends’ conversation when they were only a foot away from me, I felt like I was going to pass out, and I was hyperventilating like crazy. My second one was so bad that my hands and arms were locking up. I genuinely thought I was dying or that I would at least pass out. Those moments have to be some of the most terrifying moments of my entire life, and that girl joked about it like it was nothing. It really pisses me off how people can be so cruel like that.
My panic attacks started after my ex took me to court (I ended up winning) but they continue still, and this happened in 2009. Every single panic attack I have is what I imagine a heart attack to feel like, and then I freak the fck out in my head that I'm actually having a heart attack, which makes my panic even worse and then worsens the heart attack-like symptoms. Chest pain and tightness on my left side, left arm and hand pain, sometimes neck pain, RACING heartbeat, freezing but sweaty palms, sometimes wicked dizzy. It's terrible. I already have slightly high blood pressure, so I'm quite literally constantly worried I'll drop dead at any moment, anywhere. I take one lexapro for the anxiety a day and it barely helps.
People also romanticize depression and anxiety. I get severe panic attacks yet I get upset when somebody makes fun of me. I remember when an old friend was pretending to have a panic attack in front of me. He knew what he was doing; he just wanted to see my reaction
I will never understand why ppl act like OCD and ADHD are so great to live with. Living with both is difficult, and so many ppl fail to understand the true extent it can have. I’m constantly cleaning, touching things enough times to make sure it feels right, etc. If I don’t feel like I did one small thing, like touching a door knob enough times, I’ll obsess over it until I force myself to go back and repeat. The obsession with small things intrudes my thoughts, and always drives me away from my daily tasks. The result of this is me often spending more than 5 minutes caressing a door knob until I feel it’s “right”. It’s annoying! And yet we have ppl out here who are perfectly “normal” (at least to society’s standards) thinking it’s quirky. No it’s not quirky. If you think it is, your not being trendy or cute, you’re just being stupid.
I don’t know about ADHD but I have ocd and it takes out hours of my day doing these things that I can escape, like I don’t want to do them but I have to. Then I end up doing homework until 11:00 pm because it’s so time consuming and tiring. And ADHD doesn’t sound fun either. And to get rid of stereotypes, I am not organized.
I have POCD, ZOCD (+ various other types of Sexual OCD) and Harm OCD + ADHD, it makes my life a living hell - 'specially OCD; I can't live a single day out without acting on my compulsions or suffering through severe breakdowns due to *awful* mental images of animals, children, siblings, or random people on the street. To see OCD glamorized when it almost made me spiral into the brink of genuine insanity and possibly almost ending myself is so, so downgrading to me.
I literally nearly failed school because of my OCD symtoms (not diagnosed, I just have symptoms) I literally have intrusive thoughts of my pet being in danger constantly, I always have to close the door three times, I can never relax
I was always late for school because I had to close the door, stoven, fridge, open all doors before I left etc. Not fun
i developed tics after a severe flare of OCD. my adhd is hell, i have such awful executive dysfunction i don’t work to my full potential. i always live in fear of my intrusive thoughts coming true. i can’t be around my family anymore. it is hell.
I have both ADHD and OCD as well and it's SO ANNOYING and DIFFICULT. I have such a hard time paying attention and actually learning in school, but it doesn't show since my grades aren't bad. When I was younger, I would always think there were cameras everywhere watching me. I would only step on certain colored tiles and when I would accidentally mess up, my brain would tell me that my whole family would die. These disorders suck, and it sucks even more that they're being glorified.
I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts and I agree with them. Some things are f*cked up on social media, but it spreads so fast. Me myself has also diagnosed myself with depression. This was only after I had depression that I looked back on it and thought "well I guess I was depressed now that I look back at it and give it a thought".
I was born with ADHD
Im failing my school because of my procrastination due to my ADHD
I get comments from my peers telling me that im to hyper and I need to take my meds
It hurts me emotionaly
I see people faking it for attention
Ive had suicidal thoughts due to all of this
But dont worry becaue "iTs QuIRkY"
The thing with these that I always tend to notice (which you've already kinda touched upon) is that they are always the more 'glamorous', 'edgy', 'deep' or 'quirky' aspects of mental illness, and never the more repulsive or disgusting parts. Tbh I notice this even with supposedly positive or acclaimed portrayals of mental illness. It's always the romanticizable aspects that can be aestheticized and never anything that would be too socially unacceptable. Even with extremes eg mutilative self-harm is tragic, 'poetic' etc but I don't see anyone glorifying the not washing for weeks or other less 'pretty' forms of self-harm that people with various mental illnesses can inflict on themselves. Idk, combined with the sad girl aesthetic, it's really giving 'girls have to be attractive in every situation' type vibes and I'm not here for it
It also kinda polices what kinds of symptoms people with mental illness are 'allowed' to show which is obviously also not the best
@@bluwu3698 Yeah, it totally ignores the stigma of things like not washing dishes, leaving empty bottles and cans/clothes/food wrappers in your room, etc. which obviously sucks, because I feel like the aesthetic-y things will lead otherwise uneducated people to look even more negatively on people who can't make THOSE "look good"
like, I already fear judgment enough with hiding the gross stuff, and content like this means I have to "dress up" the anxiety, sadness, and nihilism? smh my head honestly
@@jinkouyuki8027 pretty much summoned it up, that's all 100% right but shouldn't have to be done because of those type of people.
"some people just like to lie for attention online" THANK YOU .. i feel bad for kids growing up who don't know how to discard the videos of "signs you have adhd" type of girlies as clout-chasing
I’m really glad YT’s algorithm finally brought me here. I was a Tumblr user in the 2010s when I was a teenager and struggling with mental illness. I’m still struggling and not only that, but I know the internet and especially Tumblr has effectively helped me ingrain the majority of my identity with my illnesses. I’m struggling to hit a point of stable recovery due in part to this refusal to let go of my identity, i.e., doing things to help my symptoms. Obviously there’s other factors to this equation but I don’t think Tumblr and social media really benefited me much as a teen if not only by providing a sense of community and not feeling so alone and isolated.