@@Fungustus1 Hahahah that I'll take as a great compliment! 😅❤ But honestly, providing a more complete guide to this sport than anyone ever has provided before has always been my goal, I hope we are slowly taking steps in that direction..! 😀
Great content! I’ve been looking for something like this for a long time in video format. I have read papers about the different arm swing mechanics but it’s a hole different story to see it all condensed in one video and also having the possibility in the future to join a lesson 😊
@@jointder14 Thank you! Yess that has been exactly the goal, to not just provide armswing theory but also tie it down to the whole spike movement in its entirety, with explanations of what style might suit what type of player, and also to provide step by step instructions to learn the different styles! Personally I am a bit worried that a lot of people out there just end up thinking that "low elbow is the way to go" from the other content, and then end up using this kamikaze thing basically, I can from own experience say that it most probably won't give the results that players are looking for.. Not that I never hit out or get blocked nowadays but I can say I got blocked and hit out many many times during these years when I was trying to figure out how the low and quick elbow works, but hadn't yet figured it out which lead me to do the kamikaze version a lot.. 😅
Yess! We have a winner!! 😁 I'm ina bit of a rush right now but I'll write more later, but we do have a winner! :) instagram.com/p/CFM4jh9p3gG/?igsh=bnMyM2lzODkxbjhr
The last swing has to be Carol from Brazil. Great summary - recently attended a seminar of George Giatsis (published the study : Spike Arm Swing Techniques of Olympics Male and Female Elite Volleyball Players two years ago) and it was interesting to see quite some similarities as well as different classifications in your video. Looking forward to more content
@@babsiken2621 The last swing is Carol that is correct, good eye! Unfortunately someone else picked it out just a few hours before you! 😅 Yess, in the full version of this video that I'll create I'll also mention George Giatsis classifications, but I did find that they are not quite enough as the possibility of which types of armswings you can perform (at least in an efficient way) hugely depends also on the way your jumping mechanics work, for most people "just doing a low elbow swing" won't quite work, it will lead to the time consuming "kamikaze" version.. Way more content coming for sure, happy you found your way here! Also curious about where/how you went to this seminar! :)
Yeah I feel like that is also why many people can easily do a low ellbow /circular swing when standing but it’s way harder jumping . 😅 He came to Austria last week and did some theoretical and practical lessons as part of the beachvolleyball trainer course which I attended .
Not yet - I’m coaching youth players in the volleyball academy in lower austria (Niederösterreichische Volleyball Akademie) and currently I’m attending the beachvolleyball trainer course where George was one of the instructors
Stayed till the end and that's a really good insight on how the armswing technique can detract from optimal timing. I have a high elbow swing but I think I may still benefit from a faster load to hit earlier in my jump.
@@talanky Nice! Yess, if the swing takes too long (either because the swing is of a type that simply takes a long time, or one slows it down voluntarily, then the optimal timing (for technical performance) for hitting won't happen. Then I've heard about people deliberately delaying their swing to mess with the timing of the blocker(s), but thats a bit different. This video that I made earlier might help with cueing in how to swing "earlier" if you have a problem with that! :) ruclips.net/video/_AUt-XSk5bQ/видео.htmlsi=-wzL8bn_oUWFWaPc This video could also be relevant..! ruclips.net/video/oQ7cw9YbDVk/видео.htmlsi=iWdeAGZKcOITETa- Thanks for being here and commenting! :)
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast awesome thanks for the reference I’ll check it out! I remember a couple weeks ago getting an open net and trying to hit it super hard and ended up taping it for an easy dig :/ and I bet this concept is involved
@@talanky Hahah you are not the only one in history that has pulled that move off! 😅 Either this concept was involved, or sometimes people "tense up" whem they want to hit really hard, which creates similar effects. The hardest best hits tend to be relaxed and flowy! :)
@@thebigcezar Thankss! :) Hahaha, I have many many videos on my "want to create"-list, but one about golfers elbow isn't one of them, to be honest I have almost never heard about golfers elbow, usually it's the tennis elbow (?) I hear about..! Have you gone to a (good) physio to check it up? All I can think of is that in the comments section to my last spike technique video before this one ( ruclips.net/video/CXywsSteSew/видео.html ), someone warned that the wristsnap technique supposedly could lead to elbow injuries.. I have never seen it happen though and the technique the way I teach it is very gentle on the body.. So who knows! You don't happen to have video of you attacking? Would be interesting to see the technique of someone who has elbow pain and also thinks it stems from their technique..! Haha I'm not sure, but if the pain actually comes from your hitting technique, then I guess the recommended "treatment" would be a 2 parallel strategies one: 1. Remove the root cause for the pain (learn a technique that doesn't aggrevate the injury.) and 2. Fix the already damaged tissues (this is where a good physiotherapist can help!)
Thank you very much for all your content. I always find something new and useful to take away from your videos 🙂 Since I'm not very tall (175 cm), spiking has always been a challenge for me to improve-especially when it comes to true spiking, not just cutting or shoting the ball. I believe that mastering the wrist snap could be the most effective technique for me, as it seems to require the least amount of height above the net to execute a proper spike (correct me if I’m wrong!). For the past few months, I’ve been following a jump training program, and it’s been working quite well. I've already gained a few centimeters in my jumping height and continue to improve. Do you think it's possible to give a rough idea of how high above the net your arms should be to perform your introduces types of spikes properly? I know it might be somewhat subjective, but having actual numbers (in cm) would really help in setting specific goals for improving my jump height.😄
Hey! Thanks for the comment! :) Hmm! So yes, basically in the menu, the wristsnap, the high elbow core swing, and the fast&low elbow (last of the low elbow techniques) all allow for a max jump+max reach at the perfect timing, so for shorter players I'd definitely recommend one of those! But then in general, I actually recommend all players to learn the wristsnap anyway, because it is fairly quick to learn and is useful in certain situations even if you primary swing would be something else. Actually for some other reasons too, it's just a good technique to learn. This video that I released earlier this summer talks about why I think one should learn it first basically, in case you missed it: ruclips.net/video/CXywsSteSew/видео.html So yeah, learning the wristsnap first, and then after that deciding if one wants to learn more stuff after or just be happy with the wristsnap is what I pretty much think is the most efficient path for the vast majority of players, for many reasons. But when it comes to the question about jumping height.. I understand it can be easier to keep the training motivation if you had a specific height that you can measure if you reach or not! I mean technically even if one would just get the fingertips to the top of the net when max jumping, as long as you have a technique that provides good topspin to the ball and you aim deep into the court (and have your set a little bit further away from the net, maybe 4 feet or 120 cm), then you should still be able to max swing pretty much. But of course one would be very susceptible to getting blocked. However, I mean, more height is always better, but there is a specific height that comes to my mind which is basically when your wrist reaches one ball height higher than the net tape, so basically if you'd hit a ball perfectly with your palm at that height, the ball would be at the height of the second ball, if two balls were stacked ontop of eachother on top of the net. That height maybe wont be enough on the world tour, but I believe on the mens side it is still a height that will allow you to hit into the fingertips of some smaller blockers (if you hit with a relatively flat trajectory), and you should somewhat easily be able to hit around even medium sized blockers. So if you can't reach that height, maybe that would be a good goal? Probably pro level players range somewhere where they would be palming ball 3 or 4 or 5 perfectly if there were balls stacked on top of eachother on the net, but without having researched this too much my guess is that if one can "palm ball 2" if there were balls stacked on top of eachother, that would allow a player to be pretty competitive hard driven ball attacker at a pretty advanced level! Hope that makes sense! Do you usually measure your jump height in sand or floor?
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast Thanks so much for your comment, it totally makes sense 😊 Normally, its only indoors, and there only from a standing position (so not with run-up). I’m in a mixed group training for beach volleyball, and our trainer always lowers the net a little bit (down to ~ 230-235 I guess). And it feels a little bit “better” during the training to play with that height because certain things can work. Just till that one point you play with a net of 243 cm. And then, all of a sudden, you realise that those cm do actually make a difference in terms of height.😅
Great video! Made me realize im prob doing the kamikaze, will try out compact bomb and speeding up the process. That arm movement looks soooo similar at the end, gonna guess Yorick de Groot?
Nice! Many people who are wanting to have a low elbow armswing end up doing the kamikaze version..! Try it out, and feel free to let me know if it worked! :) You mean the arm movement looks familiar, but you can't exactly pinpoint to from where? :) De Groot is not a bad guess, but unfortunately wrong! A hint would be to have a look at what the arms are doing during the "penultimate step air time" between left step and the right leg plant! :)
hi, i think i m in the swimming type, but i ve been alwaay considering it a mistake since my coach tells me that i loose jump cos of the armswing, and that i should put nike form with HIGHT elbow. Coming from tennis where u drop elbow to serve for example, low elbow come natural to me but it seems i do a lot of mistakes and cant spike like usual volleyball players. So what should i keep training? i want to improve and i feel like even if its natural my low elbow tech is not good as people having natural hight jump higt elbow techinque. great video thanks
Hey! Interesting!! There is actually a lot of stuff common with the tennis serve and the "swimming low elbow" as I call it, so it makes complete sense that you'd end up doing that if you come from tennis! Actually, if you'd happen to have video of you attacking, I'd love to see it! :) In terms of what I think you should do to spike better, I can't say anything for sure without seeing with my owm eyes what you do today, but it sounds like you'd have to start with learning to jump properly, regardless of what type of armswing that would lead to (so you might have to "allow" the armswing to become a high elbow one which will probably feel a bit weird for you at first.) And then after starting to jump properly, the armswing type that naturally gives a good timing+max reach should be aseessed, and then after that one can think about if you are happy with that or if you'd want to change the armswing into something else! That would be the rough path at least! Then there's a lot of details to each step, for a full jump you want to learn to be "relaxed" and possibly have the arms swing at a slightly different timing than what you are currently doing (if your "swimming low elbow" looks the way I imagine it does) etc! :) Hope that helps a bit, and thank you!! If you happen to have video of your attacking technique, feel free to post here or send to me privately! :)
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast hey thanks so much you are so open to talk i appreciate a lot. wel a video of mine spiking even tho sometimes i can be efficient in some way i m ugly as hell to watch ahah. yea ur point of view is really helpfull i know i have a big path to do hopefully i will be able to cos i love this sport. My main problem is timing my approach, plus adding armswing even in the timing, if i do without ball i can do perfect i dont know if it makes sense but in game i tent to throw arms up to "follow" ball too early to have a good impact otherwise i miss it timing. anyway If i would be able to make a video how can i submit? second issue is yea elbow, like sometimes i forgot things ahaha, i feel so much things to keep in mind that are not automatic... and yea even be relaxed is another issue i have that i m working on... thanks again tho!
@@janaccify Had to go and look and I agree, pretty damn similar! But unfortunately also not the one I was thinking of..! But I'll add another hint here: I wouldn't be surprised if Arthur and the one I'm thinking of would have had the same coach.
Hahah I thought you might be able to pick this one out, but not the one I'm thinking of! I think Losiak has a lower elbow swing and I think the funky thing in my example swing is how the arms go right before the jump..! :)
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast Yes, he has more of a circular arm swing at shoulder level. But I thought you meant the more circular back swing (before the jump) instead of the straight back back swing..
@@henriklundqvist6983 Ahh yes, maybe you are right that he has a circular type of thing going in the backswing, need to check! Anyway what this approach is supposed to be is basically that the left arm goes forward in a "circle" while the right arm goes "more straight back", and theres a player that has a very pronounced version of that! :)
volleyball bible for offense! this is great!
@@Fungustus1 Hahahah that I'll take as a great compliment! 😅❤ But honestly, providing a more complete guide to this sport than anyone ever has provided before has always been my goal, I hope we are slowly taking steps in that direction..! 😀
Great content! I’ve been looking for something like this for a long time in video format. I have read papers about the different arm swing mechanics but it’s a hole different story to see it all condensed in one video and also having the possibility in the future to join a lesson 😊
@@jointder14 Thank you! Yess that has been exactly the goal, to not just provide armswing theory but also tie it down to the whole spike movement in its entirety, with explanations of what style might suit what type of player, and also to provide step by step instructions to learn the different styles!
Personally I am a bit worried that a lot of people out there just end up thinking that "low elbow is the way to go" from the other content, and then end up using this kamikaze thing basically, I can from own experience say that it most probably won't give the results that players are looking for.. Not that I never hit out or get blocked nowadays but I can say I got blocked and hit out many many times during these years when I was trying to figure out how the low and quick elbow works, but hadn't yet figured it out which lead me to do the kamikaze version a lot.. 😅
Amazing video ❤
Thanks! :)
Im in bro..Regards from Playa del Carmen
Hahah nice! Hope you guys are doing well over there, hope I'll be able to visit again some time! :)
Joined the email list! Thanks for all your videos over the years!
Thank you! Really appreciate it! :)
Carolina Solberg Salgado? :)
Yess! We have a winner!! 😁
I'm ina bit of a rush right now but I'll write more later, but we do have a winner! :)
instagram.com/p/CFM4jh9p3gG/?igsh=bnMyM2lzODkxbjhr
The last swing has to be Carol from Brazil. Great summary - recently attended a seminar of George Giatsis (published the study : Spike Arm Swing Techniques of Olympics Male and Female Elite Volleyball Players two years ago) and it was interesting to see quite some similarities as well as different classifications in your video. Looking forward to more content
wow, how were you able to attend that seminar? Are you a national level coach?
@@babsiken2621 The last swing is Carol that is correct, good eye! Unfortunately someone else picked it out just a few hours before you! 😅
Yess, in the full version of this video that I'll create I'll also mention George Giatsis classifications, but I did find that they are not quite enough as the possibility of which types of armswings you can perform (at least in an efficient way) hugely depends also on the way your jumping mechanics work, for most people "just doing a low elbow swing" won't quite work, it will lead to the time consuming "kamikaze" version..
Way more content coming for sure, happy you found your way here! Also curious about where/how you went to this seminar! :)
Yeah I feel like that is also why many people can easily do a low ellbow /circular swing when standing but it’s way harder jumping . 😅
He came to Austria last week and did some theoretical and practical lessons as part of the beachvolleyball trainer course which I attended .
Not yet - I’m coaching youth players in the volleyball academy in lower austria (Niederösterreichische Volleyball Akademie) and currently I’m attending the beachvolleyball trainer course where George was one of the instructors
Stayed till the end and that's a really good insight on how the armswing technique can detract from optimal timing. I have a high elbow swing but I think I may still benefit from a faster load to hit earlier in my jump.
@@talanky Nice! Yess, if the swing takes too long (either because the swing is of a type that simply takes a long time, or one slows it down voluntarily, then the optimal timing (for technical performance) for hitting won't happen.
Then I've heard about people deliberately delaying their swing to mess with the timing of the blocker(s), but thats a bit different.
This video that I made earlier might help with cueing in how to swing "earlier" if you have a problem with that! :) ruclips.net/video/_AUt-XSk5bQ/видео.htmlsi=-wzL8bn_oUWFWaPc
This video could also be relevant..! ruclips.net/video/oQ7cw9YbDVk/видео.htmlsi=iWdeAGZKcOITETa-
Thanks for being here and commenting! :)
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast awesome thanks for the reference I’ll check it out!
I remember a couple weeks ago getting an open net and trying to hit it super hard and ended up taping it for an easy dig :/ and I bet this concept is involved
@@talanky Hahah you are not the only one in history that has pulled that move off! 😅
Either this concept was involved, or sometimes people "tense up" whem they want to hit really hard, which creates similar effects. The hardest best hits tend to be relaxed and flowy! :)
Great video! My guess is David åhman. It feels like a defenders approach and swing.
Not a super bad guess, but not the one I'm thinking of! :)
Great video!
Any expectations to launch a video talking about golfers elbow? I think I've been suffering from that due to bad technique. lol
@@thebigcezar Thankss! :)
Hahaha, I have many many videos on my "want to create"-list, but one about golfers elbow isn't one of them, to be honest I have almost never heard about golfers elbow, usually it's the tennis elbow (?) I hear about..!
Have you gone to a (good) physio to check it up?
All I can think of is that in the comments section to my last spike technique video before this one ( ruclips.net/video/CXywsSteSew/видео.html ), someone warned that the wristsnap technique supposedly could lead to elbow injuries.. I have never seen it happen though and the technique the way I teach it is very gentle on the body.. So who knows! You don't happen to have video of you attacking? Would be interesting to see the technique of someone who has elbow pain and also thinks it stems from their technique..!
Haha I'm not sure, but if the pain actually comes from your hitting technique, then I guess the recommended "treatment" would be a 2 parallel strategies one:
1. Remove the root cause for the pain (learn a technique that doesn't aggrevate the injury.)
and
2. Fix the already damaged tissues (this is where a good physiotherapist can help!)
Thank you very much for all your content. I always find something new and useful to take away from your videos 🙂 Since I'm not very tall (175 cm), spiking has always been a challenge for me to improve-especially when it comes to true spiking, not just cutting or shoting the ball.
I believe that mastering the wrist snap could be the most effective technique for me, as it seems to require the least amount of height above the net to execute a proper spike (correct me if I’m wrong!). For the past few months, I’ve been following a jump training program, and it’s been working quite well. I've already gained a few centimeters in my jumping height and continue to improve.
Do you think it's possible to give a rough idea of how high above the net your arms should be to perform your introduces types of spikes properly? I know it might be somewhat subjective, but having actual numbers (in cm) would really help in setting specific goals for improving my jump height.😄
Hey! Thanks for the comment! :)
Hmm! So yes, basically in the menu, the wristsnap, the high elbow core swing, and the fast&low elbow (last of the low elbow techniques) all allow for a max jump+max reach at the perfect timing, so for shorter players I'd definitely recommend one of those!
But then in general, I actually recommend all players to learn the wristsnap anyway, because it is fairly quick to learn and is useful in certain situations even if you primary swing would be something else. Actually for some other reasons too, it's just a good technique to learn. This video that I released earlier this summer talks about why I think one should learn it first basically, in case you missed it: ruclips.net/video/CXywsSteSew/видео.html
So yeah, learning the wristsnap first, and then after that deciding if one wants to learn more stuff after or just be happy with the wristsnap is what I pretty much think is the most efficient path for the vast majority of players, for many reasons.
But when it comes to the question about jumping height.. I understand it can be easier to keep the training motivation if you had a specific height that you can measure if you reach or not! I mean technically even if one would just get the fingertips to the top of the net when max jumping, as long as you have a technique that provides good topspin to the ball and you aim deep into the court (and have your set a little bit further away from the net, maybe 4 feet or 120 cm), then you should still be able to max swing pretty much. But of course one would be very susceptible to getting blocked. However, I mean, more height is always better, but there is a specific height that comes to my mind which is basically when your wrist reaches one ball height higher than the net tape, so basically if you'd hit a ball perfectly with your palm at that height, the ball would be at the height of the second ball, if two balls were stacked ontop of eachother on top of the net. That height maybe wont be enough on the world tour, but I believe on the mens side it is still a height that will allow you to hit into the fingertips of some smaller blockers (if you hit with a relatively flat trajectory), and you should somewhat easily be able to hit around even medium sized blockers. So if you can't reach that height, maybe that would be a good goal? Probably pro level players range somewhere where they would be palming ball 3 or 4 or 5 perfectly if there were balls stacked on top of eachother on the net, but without having researched this too much my guess is that if one can "palm ball 2" if there were balls stacked on top of eachother, that would allow a player to be pretty competitive hard driven ball attacker at a pretty advanced level!
Hope that makes sense!
Do you usually measure your jump height in sand or floor?
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast Thanks so much for your comment, it totally makes sense 😊
Normally, its only indoors, and there only from a standing position (so not with run-up). I’m in a mixed group training for beach volleyball, and our trainer always lowers the net a little bit (down to ~ 230-235 I guess). And it feels a little bit “better” during the training to play with that height because certain things can work. Just till that one point you play with a net of 243 cm. And then, all of a sudden, you realise that those cm do actually make a difference in terms of height.😅
Do you choose a different spike technique if there is not enough time for the full drawback of the elbow?
Great video! Made me realize im prob doing the kamikaze, will try out compact bomb and speeding up the process.
That arm movement looks soooo similar at the end, gonna guess Yorick de Groot?
Nice! Many people who are wanting to have a low elbow armswing end up doing the kamikaze version..! Try it out, and feel free to let me know if it worked! :)
You mean the arm movement looks familiar, but you can't exactly pinpoint to from where? :)
De Groot is not a bad guess, but unfortunately wrong! A hint would be to have a look at what the arms are doing during the "penultimate step air time" between left step and the right leg plant! :)
hi, i think i m in the swimming type, but i ve been alwaay considering it a mistake since my coach tells me that i loose jump cos of the armswing, and that i should put nike form with HIGHT elbow. Coming from tennis where u drop elbow to serve for example, low elbow come natural to me but it seems i do a lot of mistakes and cant spike like usual volleyball players. So what should i keep training? i want to improve and i feel like even if its natural my low elbow tech is not good as people having natural hight jump higt elbow techinque. great video thanks
Hey! Interesting!! There is actually a lot of stuff common with the tennis serve and the "swimming low elbow" as I call it, so it makes complete sense that you'd end up doing that if you come from tennis!
Actually, if you'd happen to have video of you attacking, I'd love to see it! :)
In terms of what I think you should do to spike better, I can't say anything for sure without seeing with my owm eyes what you do today, but it sounds like you'd have to start with learning to jump properly, regardless of what type of armswing that would lead to (so you might have to "allow" the armswing to become a high elbow one which will probably feel a bit weird for you at first.) And then after starting to jump properly, the armswing type that naturally gives a good timing+max reach should be aseessed, and then after that one can think about if you are happy with that or if you'd want to change the armswing into something else!
That would be the rough path at least! Then there's a lot of details to each step, for a full jump you want to learn to be "relaxed" and possibly have the arms swing at a slightly different timing than what you are currently doing (if your "swimming low elbow" looks the way I imagine it does) etc! :)
Hope that helps a bit, and thank you!! If you happen to have video of your attacking technique, feel free to post here or send to me privately! :)
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast hey thanks so much you are so open to talk i appreciate a lot. wel a video of mine spiking even tho sometimes i can be efficient in some way i m ugly as hell to watch ahah.
yea ur point of view is really helpfull i know i have a big path to do hopefully i will be able to cos i love this sport. My main problem is timing my approach, plus adding armswing even in the timing, if i do without ball i can do perfect i dont know if it makes sense but in game i tent to throw arms up to "follow" ball too early to have a good impact otherwise i miss it timing. anyway If i would be able to make a video how can i submit?
second issue is yea elbow, like sometimes i forgot things ahaha, i feel so much things to keep in mind that are not automatic... and yea even be relaxed is another issue i have that i m working on...
thanks again tho!
Miles Partain approach!
Good guess but unfortunately not the one in my mind! :)
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast I thought I ruined the giveaway.. DJK also has this arm motion :D
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast ruclips.net/video/4b24_fuuum4/видео.htmlsi=GYWS-clWoa68k7E5
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@@Joscha-f6q Haha what is it in the example in the end of the video that you see? :)
Emulated swing at the end: looks like Arthur from Brazil to me.
@@janaccify Had to go and look and I agree, pretty damn similar! But unfortunately also not the one I was thinking of..!
But I'll add another hint here: I wouldn't be surprised if Arthur and the one I'm thinking of would have had the same coach.
The hitting part resembles that of Alison. But this is starting to feel arbitrary and I had my shot, though.
Anders Mol?
Armswing im the air is pretty similar, but not the answer I was looking for! :)
Bartosz Losiak! ;)
Hahah I thought you might be able to pick this one out, but not the one I'm thinking of! I think Losiak has a lower elbow swing and I think the funky thing in my example swing is how the arms go right before the jump..! :)
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast Yes, he has more of a circular arm swing at shoulder level. But I thought you meant the more circular back swing (before the jump) instead of the straight back back swing..
@@henriklundqvist6983 Ahh yes, maybe you are right that he has a circular type of thing going in the backswing, need to check! Anyway what this approach is supposed to be is basically that the left arm goes forward in a "circle" while the right arm goes "more straight back", and theres a player that has a very pronounced version of that! :)
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast Can it be Mr Schweiner?