As successful as Sorum is as a spiker, I believe he's winning in spite of his technique. He's working with something that should be limiting, but practiced with it so much and is so smart tactically that he can overcome his "technical flaws".
Hahah, he is an interesting case for sure. But yes, I think at the level he plays, he relies relatively more on "attacking intelligence" and relatively less on "amazing mechanics" compared to his peers. But his technique is still good enough to hammer balls in good angles, which together with his intelligence, seems to be enough. Attacking success after all comes down to how often you score (which entails a lot of different factors) and not how beautifully you hit, even if hitting mechanics are still a big part of it all. It seems like he has had som shoulder issues, possibly because of his mechanics? I've also heard players say that he can use tactics that kinda nobody else does, like float spike the ball right at the defenders chest if there is no other good option available. So a part of me can also see the value of doing things in a less usual way, because then people are less used to defend against it. I don't know, it's fun to speculate about these things, but would be even more fun to discuss these things with him! But all in all I agree with you, as long as his shoulder holds up, it seems like it will work for him! :) Another interesting angle in this question would be to see how his attacking success would be if he had a slightly worse setter? Would he still be able to score, or would "everything crash"? I believe different players vary in how well they can score also on sets that are 6 feet or 2 meters off the net, and in my mind that is where really efficient mechanics play a big role. But again, I'm just sitting in the couch speculating, would be really interesting to see in the real world.
@@rotacioskapa01 Hahah yes! Anders Mol said yes to being on years ago, but then I guess there was too much busyness so it still hasn't happened.. But after the Olympics could be a great time for some interviews in general, maybe many of the players will take things a bit easier for a little bit, who knows?? :)
I think Sorum's technique has some key advantages: 1. His technique takes less time than others, letting him decide what to do a fraction of a second later. 2. He hits without top spin making it more difficult to dig. 3. His high elbow for spiking makes there be less of a difference between his shooting and spiking, making it harder to read, and easier for him to change from one to the other.
Thank you. I played indoor and beach for decades but I am now over 50 but still love to play beach volleyball. Admittedly I am sometimes sore after a day of playing. I am now teaching my 6 year old son & 7 year old daughter. I hope this Snap the Wrist technique will keep me in the sand longer to help them develop their game too ❤🏐
@@erniecap5037 Sounds amazing! I hope it will too! It's typically really easy on the shoulder and naturally gives a fully extended elbow (highest possible contact point.) And then if one day you don't wanna jump anymore but still keep playing, I'd recommend checking the Eric Nygård tomahawk attack series out! 😅
Great video again. I believe a good wrist snap spike can generate 70% power, which is enough, especially if someone is having shoulder problems. I think Todd Rogers was primarily using this technique after his shoulder injury but effective enough to win the Olympics in 2008.
Thanks! :) Yes I agree, 70% is about right I think! Super interesting about Todd Rogers, I need to look this up! And yes, it's a technique that is very gentle on the shoulder, so it can also work as a replacement technique while someone is injured and rehabbing.. Actually, that should have been in the video as another argument.. I think I can add it into one of the upcoming videos instead!
This video is genius. I'm pretty new and have been struggling to coordinate hitting mechanics. Coincidentally I came to this same conclusion the last time I played, just focused on forcing a wrist snap, and it did wonders. There is so much going on with the approach and hitting mechanics (including differing sets!) that it overwhelms, and as you mentioned, each step is dependent on each other so hard to isolate the true error. Great breakdown here.
@@alexforger3398 Haha thanks! That's quite amazing. I agree, you can't focus on all these different things during a game, especially not on lower levels where setting is mlre inconsistent. Just focusing on the end (wristsnap) makes it manageable though. So a smart plan according to me would be to keep the attacking focus that simples (wristsnap in the end, nothing else matters), learn to set better so that the higher level players will start accepting sooner, and then sooner or later if you want, develop a "proper" approach and spike on the side, between games, and then one day integrate that into the game with the help of a good setter that you at this point know well and have played a fair bit with.
Hahaha, thanks. I agree. I wished someone would have had done this work before I started playing so that I could just go and learn the stuff with step by step instructions.. But that was not the case. So someone had to dip their toes in the deep end I guess!
Love how you elaborate on your thoughts behind the technique and your coach perspective at the same time. As coach (indoor) and passionate player (beach) I'm the perfect target group for this, I guess😅.
@@t3llstory841 Hahaha good to hear! Yes, my content is definitely aimed more towards the people who have the nerd-gene like me, rather than the ones who think any answer that takes more than 20 seconds to spew out can't be worth listening to! 😅
My experience and a word of warning is that overuse of the wrist snaping technique can lead to injuries like tennis elbow not to all but some players especially for beginners. Again, my personal opinion, there is a reason there are basic, more traditional techniques and I understand that beach volleyball generally is very innovative and there are very few coaches who dictate how beach volleyball should be taught and that is partially the reason you are on your journey to find a better way but look at the classic volleyball, they had 100 years to figure that out. You can also look at AVP, it feels that the technique there is very solid or uniform comparing to European teams. No doubt the wrist snapping is a nice thing to be able to do but as an option instead of the main tool, let's say when the ball is set too close to the net and you have no room to swing. There is also a trap when it works for you and you might think that you have descovered a solution for everyone. Nevertheless good job with all the research and time invested into this.
Starting with the last part is also good for learning an approach with either foot and hitting w your non dominant hand. R handed I can do a 4, 3 or 2 step approach and I'm working on getting my core into my swing. With my L handed I can only handle a non-goofy 2 step approach and a high elbow wrist snap, but its a great option to have.
Hmm, I want to understand this comment fully, but I don't think I do! I fully agree the left handed wristsnap is a good backup option to have, both when sets are bad, but also for possible periods when primary shoulder might be injured and need rest (hopefully that doesn't happen of course.) But other than that, I think when I say "start with the last part", I kind of mean to not even think about the approach in any way except maybe to have a "loose, relaxed feeling", other than that focus is on the contact point and contact mechanics instead. But it sounds like you are working on tweaking stuff in the actual approach, which I'd maybe categorize as "starting from the beginning, or at least somewhere close to the beginning"! :) Does my confusion make sense?
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast that's fair. I am saying that I developed a 2 step approach so that I don't come in goofy foot w my left arm spike. I was just saying that the philosophy works for building the approach too. Once you're comfortable with a basic left hand swing, you can refine the swing more and start to add in the last two steps of the approach. Then add the first two as you get comfortable
@@cappehnkrunch Ahh! Now that makes sense! Adding steps backwards more and more, as you get comfortable with the version that has one step less! Cool! I can see that working also! But I can also see that for example in a 4 step approach, at the point of entering the last 2 steps, the arms already have some type of momentum from the first 2 steps, which wouldn't be the case when you start a 2 step approach from "nothing", so it won't be exactly the same. But those are details that won't break the method still, at least not as long as one is aware of the possibility that those things could be an obstacle in the process to be "solved" or "overcome." Does that make sense? Thanks for sharing this perspective by the way!
Thank you! I really hope it truly is! This channel kind of died with covid related personal issues in my life, but I hope this video will be the start of a new beginning.. At least that's what I have aimed for, I put in a lot of extra work on this one if we say so! :) Personally, I believe for the right person, this video could literally save years in terms of how long it would take for the to become a high level attacker. We will see if people will agree with me or not! :)
Thank you so much for these videos. I have added so much more power to the spike indoor volley also. Can you also make a videos about how to approach to it?
@@vinjhalamma1071 Yes it is true, you have to "push down" a little bit more instead of being able to "use the grip in the floor to stop your momentum" like you can do in indoor! Will think about if it would make sense for me to make a video about this! :)
I think the wrist snap is a struggle for some because of timing. You have to learn the approach and be practiced enough with training to react to the sets accordingly. Timing will dictate the speed and approach of the spike. The downfall to this is that it is effective if you can predict the block because it so low of the net so its awesome for line drives and can be a play for setters instead of tipping
@@ParagraphGurr Hmm, the way I teach the wristsnap, usually actually makes timing easier for people, because there is less things to think about and the player relies more on "the bodys internal intelligence to coordinate the movements towards one goal".. And I also do not think one has to hit steep and close to the net at all with this technique, many people use it to go "high hands" on blockers, so either over them or just at the fingertips, which often becomes a point. Sometimes it is hard to understand over text what people mean with different movements and names of things, but I'd find it very interesting to see video of the thing you talk about here!
curious.. i notice that during your game play footage, you are not actually flexing your wrist when you hit, yet you are saying this is the technique we should learn, as demonstrated in your isolated, non gameplay videos. to me, i see torque, elbow extension, and solid hand contact, but almost zero wrist flexion (snap) during the live swing you show in this video. Why the incongruency?
Good question, and I think it's super important I answer this properly, because incongruency can remove trustability completely. So first, I want to know we are for sure talking about the same thing, is it the gameplay hit that happens at 01:29 that you are referring to, or a gameplay hit from some other video of mine?
Are you going to post a video about how to practice this type of spike? Cause you talked about lot about the theory of it, but would be great if you share some practices routines to improve this move
@@felipecamposalbuquerquedes1046 Yes I am. That will be video 7 in the video series! Part 3 also talks about it partly, maybe part 4 also but not so much. Wish I was able to produce these videos faster but it is what it is..! My economy and therefore the progress of this channel crashed almost completely during Covid, which sucks but it is what it is. Trying to get started again now, but still semi-struggling. But in every video where I say that sharing my content to other players really helps us all if you'd like to watch more of these sooner is super true, even more so since Covid when I actually didn't know if I'd be able to afford to continue..! So thanks a lot for being here and engaging, these comments also help the algorithm to make sure more people see my videos. But in the short term, the only way I can help with the wristsnap is to tell someone to watch video 3 and 4 of the series, and/or to join coaching with me. Both online and offline coaching available - www.learnbeachvolleyballfast.com/coaching
the problem i have when looking at his spikes is that his head is over the net while i 5'6 can barely get a my wrist over the net. Should i try increasing my vertical or just practice my spike and aim higher with possibility of getting out.
@@Tancreed35 Haha, been a while since someone said my head was over the net.. 😅 My answer would be, definitely use a technique that allows for a max jump and max reach (for example the wristsnap), and why not also train your vertical in parallel? Actually I believe a lot of jumpint height can be gained from just learning better jumping technique, one doesn't necessarily even need to "train the muscles" too much to learn to jump quite a bit higher. But on top of all of that, "attacking intelligence" will be important also, knowing when to hit hard and when the situation isn't good enough to hit hard (meaning a hard hit will probably go out, get blocked, or into the net), learning what types of soft shots work when, etc!
Thanks Alex, we missed your videos! quesion about the teqnique of the wrist snap: do you suggest to keep an elbow high and the pure motion is the extension of the arm( elbogh high and palm goes back behind the head), like Schweiner in 2nd video from ^ to | , or is it low to high elbow where my palm is low and and finishes high (simiilar to menehun teaching)
Hey! Excellent question! My answer is, it depends! Both are possible, both work. Both have their own pros and cons. However, I'd say for about 95% of players, if you want to have a technique that allows you to jump 100% of your jumping capability, you will need to do a high elbow version. But its also possible to do something like Menehune teaches, but that will make you jump less than 100%, actually he interestingly enough says that according to him it's a technique that people who don't jump well can use, which is fair enough. If you don't know how to jump 100% from the beginning but only jump 80% of what your body is theoretically capable of with good jumping technique, then you won't feel a difference if you use a swing technique that caps your jumping capabilities at 80%. It is also possible to jump 100% and use a low elbow, like David Åhman often does. My guess is about 5% of players have the body that allows for that technique to naturally develop if they learn to spike well. I was not one of those 5%, and it took me 6 years of hardcore thinking, analyzing and experimenting before I figured out how it is done, it is by far the most difficult task I have ever finished in my life haha. The next video in this videos series will be my "spiking technique menu" where I explain all these techniques way more in detail and pros and cons of each of them. For example, high elbow is relatively fast to learn for most people, allows for a max jump, but uses a high elbow which for example comes with a bit of a bigger risk for shoulder injury. Whereas a technique similar to what Menehune teaches is also fairly quick to learn for most people, comes with some low elbow benefits (less shoulder strain, some added shot and hitting possibilities) but instead makes you jump I think I calculated about 10% lower. Then we have the full jump fast and low elbow (David Åhman, Evandro, Van de Velde sometimes, in indoor volleyball some examples are Giba, Nishida, Ngapeth, Mireya Louis etc) which I think is the best, it allows you to jump 100% and has low elbow benefits, but instead requires most players to rebuild their body to some extent for it to be possible, so it's more work to learn because you both have to rebuild and then learn a technique that is dependent on the new movement capabilities you rebuilt for. There will be 6 or 7 different techniques in the menu, and it will form the basis for all my future beach volleyball attacking technique coaching and online courses, I simply want people to be able to watch the video like a menu, so that they have an overview of what they are getting into, and then choose what technique(s) they want to go for. So in a sense, what I propose in the end of this video we are now commenting on, is that one can learn the technique on the menu that is absolutely easiest to learn (non-core powered, high elbow, wristsnap hit), which is similar to what Schweiner does, and to use that technique as either a permanent technique, or a temporary technique while choosing something else from the menu (if one wants of course), and learn that. Simply, I'm attempting to build the most comprehensive and detailed resources about spiking technique ever, including all the different ways of spiking and how to learn them. Hope that makes sense! :)
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast Thanks for putting so much information in the reply 🤯🤯, im surprised that's the end of the jump sequence of opening up has that much effect, i will try to expiriment my self. I don't have a big vertical, so I think that my wrist snap would have to be high as possible
@@Sentimos Good question. So I mean there can be a lot of causes for this, how you do your approach, how you and your setter communicate, you just being too rushed, etcetc.. But this is an opinion I have actually planned to make a video about, I don't think I will ever try to "teach someone to not be under the ball", unless I have first confirmed that they can do the wristsnap mechanism, and then STILL they are under the ball. You see thw wristsnap mechanism makes it possible to have a good ball contact also relative more straight above your body, so the range of where you can contact the ball well is bigger if you have mastered also that option. Also, it becomes the highest contact point possible when it is literally above your shoulder. Does that make sense? Only if I already know you can wristsnap well and you still end up under the ball all the time (which at this point literally means the ball will be behind your shoulder), would I start changing things in your approach etc, at least from a long term perspective. Short term, like if you were under the ball all the time and you asked me in a timeout in the middle of the game what to do (theres not enough time to teach you the wristsnap within a timeout), then yeah I might tell you to wait longer or "be more hestitant" with your steps or "imagine you need to contact the ball in front of you" or something in that fashion.. Does this make sense?
@@matija-ziberna Interesting that you think so, I am happy that's the case! I mean I do agree that is like the culmination insight of everything in the video, but I still felt when I edited it that some people might enjoy the beginning of the video, but drop off before "it's all tied together" in the place you mentioned! But hopefully not!
@LearnBeachVolleyballFast just checked it out now thank you alot. I just want to say how grateful I am aswell for how you reply to everyone and always give everyone your best advice I am only 15yrs old but I just want to say your kindness to all your fans is really admirable and something I look up to as I want to be a coach in the future. Thank you so much
OMG, sorry man, but spending 20 minutes just to say that a spike consists of body stretching and wrist snap and suggest to start with the wrist part first... It should have been just in shorts with 1 min at max
@@Mikkarus Thanks for the feedback! Everyone has their own opinion, and that is allright! My biggest fans (which is also my best income source) tend to appreciate me going into a lot more detail, and degree of accuracy, than most other coaches or RUclipsrs, so that is what I do. A few minutes extra for accuracy that saves someone from misunderstanding things and going down the wrong path for years is well worth it for many people. If it's too long for you, you can always go watch the others but I cannot guarantee that what they teach is either accurate or will work for you! Meanwhile I will keep making content for the people that appreciate my work, those people have a similar mindset to mine anyway so I have a much better time with them! :) All of that being said, I will also start doing more short form content once I get enough time over for that, mainly for marketing purposes because it is easier to discover new people through shorter videos. I might keep those to Instagram though, we will see, haven't really decided yet. But until then, if 20 minutes is too much (I know this information can save certain people years of struggles), then you are probably better off at some other channel until maybe one day when I get some shorts going! :)
после удара твоя правая рука должна идти к левой ноге, она не должна останавливаться над головой. твоя техника колхозная. смотри как ставят технику в спорт-школах детям. настоящие тренера.
Спасибо за ваше мнение! Я знаю, что многие тренеры говорят, что нужно продолжать движение рукой, левой ногой или чем-то еще. Однако многие профессионалы пляжного волейбола также время от времени останавливают руку над головой, поэтому я не вижу веской причины, по которой нужно всегда доводить дело до конца. Я думаю, что это зависит от ситуации и того, что человек пытается сделать в каждой ситуации, и я также думаю, что вокруг этого много недоразумений. Некоторые люди, например, считают, что остановка руки повредит плечо, но если все сделать правильно, это очень хорошо повлияет на плечо. Некоторые игроки даже перешли на эту технику, потому что хотели продолжать играть, даже если у них была травма плеча. Но техника, при которой я, по сути, всегда оставляю руку поднятой, должна давать довольно хорошие результаты, даже если ее легко освоить, и как только игрок это усвоит, он/она сможет либо играть с ней, либо играть с ней. чтобы изучить более продвинутые методы позже. Это не единственная техника, которую я использую, и не единственная техника, которой я обучаю. Любопытно, что Дэвид Швайнер из Чехии, похоже, использует эту технику практически постоянно, независимо от того, любитель он или нет, но в настоящее время он играет на Олимпийских играх и выиграл чемпионат мира в прошлом году, если я не ошибаюсь. Тренеры по волейболу в зале или тренеры по пляжному волейболу, которых вы видели, учат, что рука всегда должна доводить дело до конца? In english: Thank you for your opinion! I know many coaches say one should follow through with the arm, towards left leg or whatever. However, many beach volleyball professionals also stop their arm above the head from time to time, so I cannot see a good reason for why one would need to always follow through. I think it depends on the situation and what one tries to do in each situation, and I also think there is a lot of misunderstandings around this. Some people for example believe that stopping the arm will injure the shoulder, but if it is done right, it works very well for the shoulder. Some players have even changed to this technique because they wanted to continue playing even if they had a shoulder injury. But the technique where I basically always leave the hand up is supposed to be a technique that gives pretty good results even if it is easy to learn, and once the player has learned that, he/she can choose to either play with that, or to learn more advanced techniques later. It is not the only technique I use, and it is not the only technique I teach. Interestingly enough David Schweiner from Czechia seems to use this technique basically all the time, and amateurish or not, he is currently playing in the Olympics and won the World Championships last year if I don't remember wrong. Is it indoor volleyball coaches or beach volleyball coaches that you have seen teach that arm should always follow through?
And for those lurking around, the translation that Google translate gave of the original comment was quite hard to understand, but ChatGPT gave me this translation instead that is probably much more accurate: "After the strike, your right hand should go towards your left leg; it shouldn't stop above your head. Your technique is amateurish. Look at how they teach technique to children in sports schools. Real coaches."
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast If you stop the swing, the force will be dissipated more through the tissues of the shoulder. If you follow through, the muscles at the back of your shoulder will stretch to decelerate your arm, and dissipate the force that way. Example: Drop into a pushup from your knees, but stop halfway. That should feel harder on your shoulder than when you drop and keep lowering yourself all the way down (in this case your chest muscles will stretch to handle the force).
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast 😀🤝👍 еще можно посмотреть на технику броска мяча в бейсболе . там тоже рука - хлыст . и рука по инерции летит дальше , с права на лево. думаю если руку можно оставить над головой, то это уже не силовой удар . но это подойдет лучше игрокам маленького роста , и низким прыжком. кистевой ударчик . профессиональные игроки тоже не все совершенны в технике) они совершенствуются всегда, в течении спортивной карьеры.
As successful as Sorum is as a spiker, I believe he's winning in spite of his technique. He's working with something that should be limiting, but practiced with it so much and is so smart tactically that he can overcome his "technical flaws".
Hahah, he is an interesting case for sure. But yes, I think at the level he plays, he relies relatively more on "attacking intelligence" and relatively less on "amazing mechanics" compared to his peers. But his technique is still good enough to hammer balls in good angles, which together with his intelligence, seems to be enough. Attacking success after all comes down to how often you score (which entails a lot of different factors) and not how beautifully you hit, even if hitting mechanics are still a big part of it all.
It seems like he has had som shoulder issues, possibly because of his mechanics? I've also heard players say that he can use tactics that kinda nobody else does, like float spike the ball right at the defenders chest if there is no other good option available. So a part of me can also see the value of doing things in a less usual way, because then people are less used to defend against it.
I don't know, it's fun to speculate about these things, but would be even more fun to discuss these things with him! But all in all I agree with you, as long as his shoulder holds up, it seems like it will work for him! :)
Another interesting angle in this question would be to see how his attacking success would be if he had a slightly worse setter? Would he still be able to score, or would "everything crash"? I believe different players vary in how well they can score also on sets that are 6 feet or 2 meters off the net, and in my mind that is where really efficient mechanics play a big role. But again, I'm just sitting in the couch speculating, would be really interesting to see in the real world.
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast It's time to bring him for the next podcast episode after the olympic gold :)
@@rotacioskapa01 Hahah yes! Anders Mol said yes to being on years ago, but then I guess there was too much busyness so it still hasn't happened.. But after the Olympics could be a great time for some interviews in general, maybe many of the players will take things a bit easier for a little bit, who knows?? :)
I think Sorum's technique has some key advantages:
1. His technique takes less time than others, letting him decide what to do a fraction of a second later.
2. He hits without top spin making it more difficult to dig.
3. His high elbow for spiking makes there be less of a difference between his shooting and spiking, making it harder to read, and easier for him to change from one to the other.
@@chicoryroth254 Great points.
Thank you. I played indoor and beach for decades but I am now over 50 but still love to play beach volleyball. Admittedly I am sometimes sore after a day of playing. I am now teaching my 6 year old son & 7 year old daughter. I hope this Snap the Wrist technique will keep me in the sand longer to help them develop their game too ❤🏐
@@erniecap5037 Sounds amazing! I hope it will too! It's typically really easy on the shoulder and naturally gives a fully extended elbow (highest possible contact point.) And then if one day you don't wanna jump anymore but still keep playing, I'd recommend checking the Eric Nygård tomahawk attack series out! 😅
Appreciate how you make it comprehensive and so easy to understand with lots of visual examples. Thanks a lot
Thank you! Yes I think I'm slowly getting better at all of this! 😀
Great video again. I believe a good wrist snap spike can generate 70% power, which is enough, especially if someone is having shoulder problems. I think Todd Rogers was primarily using this technique after his shoulder injury but effective enough to win the Olympics in 2008.
Thanks! :)
Yes I agree, 70% is about right I think! Super interesting about Todd Rogers, I need to look this up! And yes, it's a technique that is very gentle on the shoulder, so it can also work as a replacement technique while someone is injured and rehabbing.. Actually, that should have been in the video as another argument.. I think I can add it into one of the upcoming videos instead!
This video is genius. I'm pretty new and have been struggling to coordinate hitting mechanics. Coincidentally I came to this same conclusion the last time I played, just focused on forcing a wrist snap, and it did wonders. There is so much going on with the approach and hitting mechanics (including differing sets!) that it overwhelms, and as you mentioned, each step is dependent on each other so hard to isolate the true error. Great breakdown here.
@@alexforger3398 Haha thanks!
That's quite amazing. I agree, you can't focus on all these different things during a game, especially not on lower levels where setting is mlre inconsistent. Just focusing on the end (wristsnap) makes it manageable though. So a smart plan according to me would be to keep the attacking focus that simples (wristsnap in the end, nothing else matters), learn to set better so that the higher level players will start accepting sooner, and then sooner or later if you want, develop a "proper" approach and spike on the side, between games, and then one day integrate that into the game with the help of a good setter that you at this point know well and have played a fair bit with.
Thank you for digging deep, man. That will save a huge amount of time for the future generations)
Hahaha, thanks. I agree. I wished someone would have had done this work before I started playing so that I could just go and learn the stuff with step by step instructions.. But that was not the case. So someone had to dip their toes in the deep end I guess!
Love how you elaborate on your thoughts behind the technique and your coach perspective at the same time. As coach (indoor) and passionate player (beach) I'm the perfect target group for this, I guess😅.
@@t3llstory841 Hahaha good to hear! Yes, my content is definitely aimed more towards the people who have the nerd-gene like me, rather than the ones who think any answer that takes more than 20 seconds to spew out can't be worth listening to! 😅
My experience and a word of warning is that overuse of the wrist snaping technique can lead to injuries like tennis elbow not to all but some players especially for beginners.
Again, my personal opinion, there is a reason there are basic, more traditional techniques and I understand that beach volleyball generally is very innovative and there are very few coaches who dictate how beach volleyball should be taught and that is partially the reason you are on your journey to find a better way but look at the classic volleyball, they had 100 years to figure that out. You can also look at AVP, it feels that the technique there is very solid or uniform comparing to European teams.
No doubt the wrist snapping is a nice thing to be able to do but as an option instead of the main tool, let's say when the ball is set too close to the net and you have no room to swing.
There is also a trap when it works for you and you might think that you have descovered a solution for everyone.
Nevertheless good job with all the research and time invested into this.
Starting with the last part is also good for learning an approach with either foot and hitting w your non dominant hand.
R handed I can do a 4, 3 or 2 step approach and I'm working on getting my core into my swing.
With my L handed I can only handle a non-goofy 2 step approach and a high elbow wrist snap, but its a great option to have.
Hmm, I want to understand this comment fully, but I don't think I do! I fully agree the left handed wristsnap is a good backup option to have, both when sets are bad, but also for possible periods when primary shoulder might be injured and need rest (hopefully that doesn't happen of course.)
But other than that, I think when I say "start with the last part", I kind of mean to not even think about the approach in any way except maybe to have a "loose, relaxed feeling", other than that focus is on the contact point and contact mechanics instead. But it sounds like you are working on tweaking stuff in the actual approach, which I'd maybe categorize as "starting from the beginning, or at least somewhere close to the beginning"! :)
Does my confusion make sense?
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast that's fair. I am saying that I developed a 2 step approach so that I don't come in goofy foot w my left arm spike.
I was just saying that the philosophy works for building the approach too. Once you're comfortable with a basic left hand swing, you can refine the swing more and start to add in the last two steps of the approach.
Then add the first two as you get comfortable
@@cappehnkrunch Ahh! Now that makes sense! Adding steps backwards more and more, as you get comfortable with the version that has one step less!
Cool! I can see that working also! But I can also see that for example in a 4 step approach, at the point of entering the last 2 steps, the arms already have some type of momentum from the first 2 steps, which wouldn't be the case when you start a 2 step approach from "nothing", so it won't be exactly the same. But those are details that won't break the method still, at least not as long as one is aware of the possibility that those things could be an obstacle in the process to be "solved" or "overcome."
Does that make sense? Thanks for sharing this perspective by the way!
wow this is a great video...
Thank you!
I really hope it truly is!
This channel kind of died with covid related personal issues in my life, but I hope this video will be the start of a new beginning.. At least that's what I have aimed for, I put in a lot of extra work on this one if we say so! :)
Personally, I believe for the right person, this video could literally save years in terms of how long it would take for the to become a high level attacker. We will see if people will agree with me or not! :)
Thank you for your hsrd work appreciate it!
Thanks! :) Yess, let's see if I can revive this channel from post-covid-death..! :)
I hope so, I really enjoy watching different ways to play Volleyball and learn more and get better
@@xxdestrukterxx2270 Nice, I do too! :)
Thank you so much for these videos. I have added so much more power to the spike indoor volley also. Can you also make a videos about how to approach to it?
Nice to hear, and thanks for being here! :) Do you mean videos about how to do the approach, before the jump and swing in the air?
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast yes in beach I can see you have to have differentiaali approach.
@@vinjhalamma1071 Yes it is true, you have to "push down" a little bit more instead of being able to "use the grip in the floor to stop your momentum" like you can do in indoor! Will think about if it would make sense for me to make a video about this! :)
I think the wrist snap is a struggle for some because of timing. You have to learn the approach and be practiced enough with training to react to the sets accordingly. Timing will dictate the speed and approach of the spike. The downfall to this is that it is effective if you can predict the block because it so low of the net so its awesome for line drives and can be a play for setters instead of tipping
@@ParagraphGurr Hmm, the way I teach the wristsnap, usually actually makes timing easier for people, because there is less things to think about and the player relies more on "the bodys internal intelligence to coordinate the movements towards one goal".. And I also do not think one has to hit steep and close to the net at all with this technique, many people use it to go "high hands" on blockers, so either over them or just at the fingertips, which often becomes a point. Sometimes it is hard to understand over text what people mean with different movements and names of things, but I'd find it very interesting to see video of the thing you talk about here!
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast it would be my pleasure. I can pencil you in the next time you’re in Northern California
curious.. i notice that during your game play footage, you are not actually flexing your wrist when you hit, yet you are saying this is the technique we should learn, as demonstrated in your isolated, non gameplay videos. to me, i see torque, elbow extension, and solid hand contact, but almost zero wrist flexion (snap) during the live swing you show in this video. Why the incongruency?
Good question, and I think it's super important I answer this properly, because incongruency can remove trustability completely.
So first, I want to know we are for sure talking about the same thing, is it the gameplay hit that happens at 01:29 that you are referring to, or a gameplay hit from some other video of mine?
Are you going to post a video about how to practice this type of spike? Cause you talked about lot about the theory of it, but would be great if you share some practices routines to improve this move
@@felipecamposalbuquerquedes1046 Yes I am. That will be video 7 in the video series! Part 3 also talks about it partly, maybe part 4 also but not so much.
Wish I was able to produce these videos faster but it is what it is..! My economy and therefore the progress of this channel crashed almost completely during Covid, which sucks but it is what it is. Trying to get started again now, but still semi-struggling. But in every video where I say that sharing my content to other players really helps us all if you'd like to watch more of these sooner is super true, even more so since Covid when I actually didn't know if I'd be able to afford to continue..! So thanks a lot for being here and engaging, these comments also help the algorithm to make sure more people see my videos.
But in the short term, the only way I can help with the wristsnap is to tell someone to watch video 3 and 4 of the series, and/or to join coaching with me. Both online and offline coaching available - www.learnbeachvolleyballfast.com/coaching
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast your content is great mate! Keep doing it, its not a race but a maraton and you will get there, i'm sure about it!
the problem i have when looking at his spikes is that his head is over the net while i 5'6 can barely get a my wrist over the net. Should i try increasing my vertical or just practice my spike and aim higher with possibility of getting out.
@@Tancreed35 Haha, been a while since someone said my head was over the net.. 😅 My answer would be, definitely use a technique that allows for a max jump and max reach (for example the wristsnap), and why not also train your vertical in parallel? Actually I believe a lot of jumpint height can be gained from just learning better jumping technique, one doesn't necessarily even need to "train the muscles" too much to learn to jump quite a bit higher. But on top of all of that, "attacking intelligence" will be important also, knowing when to hit hard and when the situation isn't good enough to hit hard (meaning a hard hit will probably go out, get blocked, or into the net), learning what types of soft shots work when, etc!
Thanks Alex, we missed your videos! quesion about the teqnique of the wrist snap: do you suggest to keep an elbow high and the pure motion is the extension of the arm( elbogh high and palm goes back behind the head), like Schweiner in 2nd video from ^ to | , or is it low to high elbow where my palm is low and and finishes high (simiilar to menehun teaching)
here is an explanation of the elbow drive: ruclips.net/video/CLyTfeuLKig/видео.htmlsi=VjJG6Yz10PckRa0f&t=133
Hey! Excellent question!
My answer is, it depends! Both are possible, both work. Both have their own pros and cons.
However, I'd say for about 95% of players, if you want to have a technique that allows you to jump 100% of your jumping capability, you will need to do a high elbow version. But its also possible to do something like Menehune teaches, but that will make you jump less than 100%, actually he interestingly enough says that according to him it's a technique that people who don't jump well can use, which is fair enough. If you don't know how to jump 100% from the beginning but only jump 80% of what your body is theoretically capable of with good jumping technique, then you won't feel a difference if you use a swing technique that caps your jumping capabilities at 80%.
It is also possible to jump 100% and use a low elbow, like David Åhman often does. My guess is about 5% of players have the body that allows for that technique to naturally develop if they learn to spike well. I was not one of those 5%, and it took me 6 years of hardcore thinking, analyzing and experimenting before I figured out how it is done, it is by far the most difficult task I have ever finished in my life haha.
The next video in this videos series will be my "spiking technique menu" where I explain all these techniques way more in detail and pros and cons of each of them. For example, high elbow is relatively fast to learn for most people, allows for a max jump, but uses a high elbow which for example comes with a bit of a bigger risk for shoulder injury. Whereas a technique similar to what Menehune teaches is also fairly quick to learn for most people, comes with some low elbow benefits (less shoulder strain, some added shot and hitting possibilities) but instead makes you jump I think I calculated about 10% lower. Then we have the full jump fast and low elbow (David Åhman, Evandro, Van de Velde sometimes, in indoor volleyball some examples are Giba, Nishida, Ngapeth, Mireya Louis etc) which I think is the best, it allows you to jump 100% and has low elbow benefits, but instead requires most players to rebuild their body to some extent for it to be possible, so it's more work to learn because you both have to rebuild and then learn a technique that is dependent on the new movement capabilities you rebuilt for. There will be 6 or 7 different techniques in the menu, and it will form the basis for all my future beach volleyball attacking technique coaching and online courses, I simply want people to be able to watch the video like a menu, so that they have an overview of what they are getting into, and then choose what technique(s) they want to go for. So in a sense, what I propose in the end of this video we are now commenting on, is that one can learn the technique on the menu that is absolutely easiest to learn (non-core powered, high elbow, wristsnap hit), which is similar to what Schweiner does, and to use that technique as either a permanent technique, or a temporary technique while choosing something else from the menu (if one wants of course), and learn that.
Simply, I'm attempting to build the most comprehensive and detailed resources about spiking technique ever, including all the different ways of spiking and how to learn them. Hope that makes sense! :)
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast
Thanks for putting so much information in the reply 🤯🤯, im surprised that's the end of the jump sequence of opening up has that much effect, i will try to expiriment my self. I don't have a big vertical, so I think that my wrist snap would have to be high as possible
I am always too early under the ball, any help to improve that? Like running later?
@@Sentimos Good question. So I mean there can be a lot of causes for this, how you do your approach, how you and your setter communicate, you just being too rushed, etcetc.. But this is an opinion I have actually planned to make a video about, I don't think I will ever try to "teach someone to not be under the ball", unless I have first confirmed that they can do the wristsnap mechanism, and then STILL they are under the ball. You see thw wristsnap mechanism makes it possible to have a good ball contact also relative more straight above your body, so the range of where you can contact the ball well is bigger if you have mastered also that option. Also, it becomes the highest contact point possible when it is literally above your shoulder.
Does that make sense? Only if I already know you can wristsnap well and you still end up under the ball all the time (which at this point literally means the ball will be behind your shoulder), would I start changing things in your approach etc, at least from a long term perspective.
Short term, like if you were under the ball all the time and you asked me in a timeout in the middle of the game what to do (theres not enough time to teach you the wristsnap within a timeout), then yeah I might tell you to wait longer or "be more hestitant" with your steps or "imagine you need to contact the ball in front of you" or something in that fashion..
Does this make sense?
14:15 is main part of the video.
@@matija-ziberna Interesting that you think so, I am happy that's the case! I mean I do agree that is like the culmination insight of everything in the video, but I still felt when I edited it that some people might enjoy the beginning of the video, but drop off before "it's all tied together" in the place you mentioned! But hopefully not!
Hi alex, what do you think is the best way to to improve my wrist snap and to improve the technique
@@user-hj8lf4ys7s Hey! Did you watch video 3 in the series yet?
@LearnBeachVolleyballFast just checked it out now thank you alot. I just want to say how grateful I am aswell for how you reply to everyone and always give everyone your best advice I am only 15yrs old but I just want to say your kindness to all your fans is really admirable and something I look up to as I want to be a coach in the future. Thank you so much
OMG, sorry man, but spending 20 minutes just to say that a spike consists of body stretching and wrist snap and suggest to start with the wrist part first... It should have been just in shorts with 1 min at max
@@Mikkarus Thanks for the feedback! Everyone has their own opinion, and that is allright! My biggest fans (which is also my best income source) tend to appreciate me going into a lot more detail, and degree of accuracy, than most other coaches or RUclipsrs, so that is what I do. A few minutes extra for accuracy that saves someone from misunderstanding things and going down the wrong path for years is well worth it for many people. If it's too long for you, you can always go watch the others but I cannot guarantee that what they teach is either accurate or will work for you! Meanwhile I will keep making content for the people that appreciate my work, those people have a similar mindset to mine anyway so I have a much better time with them! :)
All of that being said, I will also start doing more short form content once I get enough time over for that, mainly for marketing purposes because it is easier to discover new people through shorter videos. I might keep those to Instagram though, we will see, haven't really decided yet. But until then, if 20 minutes is too much (I know this information can save certain people years of struggles), then you are probably better off at some other channel until maybe one day when I get some shorts going! :)
I enjoyed the video? It's informative, which is what I want for improving my ability in the sport.
@@LangerzzCPYInc Nice to hear! I missed videos like this when I started playing, made it way harder to learn!
после удара твоя правая рука должна идти к левой ноге, она не должна останавливаться над головой. твоя техника колхозная. смотри как ставят технику в спорт-школах детям. настоящие тренера.
Спасибо за ваше мнение! Я знаю, что многие тренеры говорят, что нужно продолжать движение рукой, левой ногой или чем-то еще. Однако многие профессионалы пляжного волейбола также время от времени останавливают руку над головой, поэтому я не вижу веской причины, по которой нужно всегда доводить дело до конца. Я думаю, что это зависит от ситуации и того, что человек пытается сделать в каждой ситуации, и я также думаю, что вокруг этого много недоразумений. Некоторые люди, например, считают, что остановка руки повредит плечо, но если все сделать правильно, это очень хорошо повлияет на плечо. Некоторые игроки даже перешли на эту технику, потому что хотели продолжать играть, даже если у них была травма плеча.
Но техника, при которой я, по сути, всегда оставляю руку поднятой, должна давать довольно хорошие результаты, даже если ее легко освоить, и как только игрок это усвоит, он/она сможет либо играть с ней, либо играть с ней. чтобы изучить более продвинутые методы позже. Это не единственная техника, которую я использую, и не единственная техника, которой я обучаю.
Любопытно, что Дэвид Швайнер из Чехии, похоже, использует эту технику практически постоянно, независимо от того, любитель он или нет, но в настоящее время он играет на Олимпийских играх и выиграл чемпионат мира в прошлом году, если я не ошибаюсь.
Тренеры по волейболу в зале или тренеры по пляжному волейболу, которых вы видели, учат, что рука всегда должна доводить дело до конца?
In english:
Thank you for your opinion! I know many coaches say one should follow through with the arm, towards left leg or whatever. However, many beach volleyball professionals also stop their arm above the head from time to time, so I cannot see a good reason for why one would need to always follow through. I think it depends on the situation and what one tries to do in each situation, and I also think there is a lot of misunderstandings around this. Some people for example believe that stopping the arm will injure the shoulder, but if it is done right, it works very well for the shoulder. Some players have even changed to this technique because they wanted to continue playing even if they had a shoulder injury.
But the technique where I basically always leave the hand up is supposed to be a technique that gives pretty good results even if it is easy to learn, and once the player has learned that, he/she can choose to either play with that, or to learn more advanced techniques later. It is not the only technique I use, and it is not the only technique I teach.
Interestingly enough David Schweiner from Czechia seems to use this technique basically all the time, and amateurish or not, he is currently playing in the Olympics and won the World Championships last year if I don't remember wrong.
Is it indoor volleyball coaches or beach volleyball coaches that you have seen teach that arm should always follow through?
And for those lurking around, the translation that Google translate gave of the original comment was quite hard to understand, but ChatGPT gave me this translation instead that is probably much more accurate:
"After the strike, your right hand should go towards your left leg; it shouldn't stop above your head. Your technique is amateurish. Look at how they teach technique to children in sports schools. Real coaches."
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast If you stop the swing, the force will be dissipated more through the tissues of the shoulder. If you follow through, the muscles at the back of your shoulder will stretch to decelerate your arm, and dissipate the force that way. Example: Drop into a pushup from your knees, but stop halfway. That should feel harder on your shoulder than when you drop and keep lowering yourself all the way down (in this case your chest muscles will stretch to handle the force).
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast 😀🤝👍 еще можно посмотреть на технику броска мяча в бейсболе . там тоже рука - хлыст . и рука по инерции летит дальше , с права на лево. думаю если руку можно оставить над головой, то это уже не силовой удар . но это подойдет лучше игрокам маленького роста , и низким прыжком. кистевой ударчик . профессиональные игроки тоже не все совершенны в технике) они совершенствуются всегда, в течении спортивной карьеры.
@@LearnBeachVolleyballFast ruclips.net/video/iory4RK_CZ8/видео.html хорошее видео. какую работу он проделал)