Butch Hartman LIED About His Christian Streaming Service Scam (With Proof)
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- Oaxis has been a Christian streaming service this whole time. Butch intentionally hid this from his fans to squeeze as much money out of them as possible. He has a huge agenda that he was not transparent about. On top of all that the man has warped views on mental health.
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I'm just so sad about all of this :/
About accusing Butch of homophobia. Look, I'm not saying all Christians are like that, I know for a fact they aren't.
Here's the facts:
A decent amount of religious folk are not okay with LGBT.
Butch intentionally didn't answer the question about LGBT that was repeatedly asked in his stream.
The man clearly doesn't respect people outside his religion or people in general.
There are rumblings of him being really harsh about gay fanart on his forums.
His one transphobic tweet.
If Butch wants to come out and say that he isn't, fine, I might even believe him. But as for right now, all signs point to him not being okay with LGBT people, and there is no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Here is the clip of Butch's nutcase stance on suicide and depression: twitter.com/trogsmitesthee/status/1019865935434473473
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I'm sorry pie but im pretty sure this isn't the end of the butch Hartman thing there is going to be more videos bit the choice is when the dust settles I hope ya pick to go back to your roots and not go down towards the drama stuff
Edit : (Geez I'm tired
PIEGUYRULZ same
I know stuff like this hurts, all we can do is spread the news.
I was gonna comment on how you were obsessed and I was legit beginning to worry about your bizarre fixation, but yeah...this absolutely disgusting. I never knew Butch was a typical american evangelical hellbent on indoctrinating children. I'm glad you brought this to our attention.
Ironically I grew up in a christian family who didn’t let me watch Fairly Odd Parents because they thought it was unchristian in its humor. Take that how you will...
Puffer Fish I think I read somewhere that Christian groups also criticize the show
oh my god same Puffer Fish! lol!
I wasn't allowed to watch Danny Phantom after my mom watched an episode or two with me. It was too "dark" or something.
with the hartman hips i surprised anyone was allowed. maddie fenton was thicc.
rebelL sprouT Facts.
As a Catholic, I think it's un-christian of Butch to not specify what it is you're investing other people's money into.
1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. Some people eager for money have wandered the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
Way to make Christians look bad, Butch!
Yeah, cuz catholocism is TOTALLY not known for flaunting their extreme wealth, what with their extravagant cathedrals, bejewled robes for the higher-ups of the clergy, pope dripping with gold... XD
Amelia Bee do you even know how to read. What does that have to do with anything
Joey.T.Cartoon.P
As someone who has his own issues with monotheistic beliefs (any beliefs that have only one deity), I can reassure you that he's making the outside view of monotheistic beliefs worse, and I guess the best thing to say to those who are victims of the bad people who "share" your beliefs is I give you the best wishes to help spread more good than bad.
BTW, good on you for using a Bible quote that even those outside your beliefs should be able to agree with.
Amelia Bee
Actually, the current Pope is pretty cool. He even said it's okay for people to be gay, and has created a less gold-styled everything for himself.
You don't need to think that, Joey, it IS un-christian. There's a commandment against lying. And not telling the whole truth is called "lying by omission". He lied. There's nothing to wonder about.
Thank you for working so hard to cover this story!
It's taken a lot out of me, but I just want people to know about this, ya know?
Love your memes MK, love seeing you here
Nice seeing you here.
Awesome! Love your SU content. Not so for Butch and his Oaxis Religous Scam.
MKatwood woah didn't expect to see you here
"Suicide was never even heard of"
Don't tell Butch about Romeo and Juliet. The concept of people knowing that kids would and could kill themselves even a hundred years ago would blow his mind.
Hell, even 400 years ago when Romeo and Juliet came out. People of all sorts of ages divided by zero.
As a Christian, I'm very disappointed with Butch's manipulative, dishonest behavior. It's sad that he only did this so more people would give his idea money. PEOPLE WHO WOULDN'T SPEND THEIR MONEY ON THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. It's quite gross. I think he should probably give everyone's money back and start over, and either make it clear that he's making a religious service, or ditch the Christian aspect. What's worse, he's trying to JUSTIFY his gross actions by the fact he thinks it's a good cause. Which is very much taught against in the Bible (also, greed and dishonesty.)
You screwed up, Butch.
Yeah I think he will have done well if he just came out and say this is a Christian service I'm sure rich Christians will support him but lieing to people to get money is wrong
andykishore I don't think he has
andykishore pretty much
CalebRichards I'm an atheist and I respect your beliefs because you're reasonable
I'm Christian too, I don't like the way he did this, it's not good and I can't believe he lied to all those people and it's bad to lie to people who gave you money and supported you, it saddens me that butch got money because he doesn't deserve it at all, that money could have helped cancer or the homeless already! Butch hartman sucks!!
I am reminded of the scene in "The Sponge Who Could Fly" when Patchy feels betrayed by Spongebob and destroys all of his Spongebob merchandise.
Isn't that the scene from The Lost Episode (The Sponge Who Could Fly)?
No, I think it was Truth or Square, because Patchy was upset that Spongebob didn't show up to the 10th Anniv special. I could be wrong though.
Windy City Rails Nope it's the sponge who could fly because in truth or square patchy is trying to look for spongebob after he didn't show up in the spongebob 10th anniversary
Yeah I believe it was The Lost Episode. He gets mad after thinking the episode was just a bunch of cheap walk cycles.
Poty: "Braaah, what a rip-off"
Well, there was ONE thing Butch preached in the old days that wasn't a lie - Adults Ruin Everything -specifically the ones that have to LIE.
You're dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway. -Walt Disney
Bronies still exist?
I hate bronys more than butch.
Let’s not hate, instead let’s kill anyone who go against we say.
spinosaurus striker The video has nothing to do with Bronies. Let’s stick to the elephant in the room:Butch Hartman.
**Wants to make a Christian streaming service** Some time later... **Manipulates and lies to his followers to support him** for the creator of a christian platform, those sure sounds like some sinful means to achieve your goal.
The Icean It makes me sick that someone would stoop to that level to ironically teach people against it
Catholic church, circa 1300-1600
@@LeBonkJordan Don't act like he's catholic
@@Ivanmaradonaaa No I just mean that's the kind of stuff the Catholic Church did back then
I’m a Christian and this is very unchristian like. Lying about what his steaming service is about by being real shady about all this stuff, isn’t something God would like. He doesn’t look to kindly at those who deceive people the way Butch has deceived people during this whole Kickstarter thing.
Jared Wignall I mean, purporting mental illness to get more people to spend money on you while also trying to make people that have it look inferior, is definitely un- Christian like. I mean, what ever viewpoint you have it's a pretty shitty thing to do as a human lol
As a Christian myself, he should have been honest about this on the forefront. That's lying by omission. There should have been some mention of it in his pitch, especially since he's taking cash.
And his thoughts on mental health are entirely incorrect and do not reflect the gospel. I'm sure he's probably nice irl, but he doesn't appear to be a model Christian.
Fancy Snake I could not agree more. People who act like him just make Christians in general seem like intolerant people.
lay off me
Probably a hypocrite who uses the "Christian" Card.
I just realized that the voice actor for Snaptrap in Tuff Puppy and Sparky in FOP was Matthew Taylor but came out as transgender and now called herself Maddie. What if Sparky was completely cut from FOP season 10 without mention because Butch didn’t agree with the LGBT community?
Well his behavior in the past gives a Anti-LGBT vibe and add to that when Butch left Nick was around when Nick added more LGBT themes to shows and even added LGBT type of ad breaks ... then add to that he had started his Kickstarter during Pride Month and it comes out that he wants this to be a Christian orinaited streaming service when he had said nothing about it prior aside from when asked he keep saying''Its just family friendly and none negativty focused'' gives a pretty clear picture what his kind of views are in the Bible in regards to LGBT
Lloyd Landrum if I may add, something Danny Phantom related. A few years back some drama arose when Butch shot down a popular fan theory/headcanon. That headcanon is that Danny himself is a trans boy. While I don't think it's bad to say "hey, this character I designed isn't trans" is fine in and on itself, because the creator of a character would know whether or not that character is trans or not. In this case, Danny is canonically cis. But the thing is, if the wording sounds like it's basically saying that being trans is a sin of some sort... Yeah.
I must admit, I have not seen the video or tweet where he said this, but I do know it happened and I believe it's his DP fact video. With how people reacted, either they were taking it way overboard or he worded it in a transphobic way.
Sam K I never thought of that! He said Sparky was cut out because of the negative feedback. That could be the reason and it could be because his voice actor is transgender. Hmm,I’ve been a little suspicious of his behavior lately...
*Butch Hartman wants to know you’re location*
Shy are people assuming that he hates gays
Should've been called Hoaxis
Yes
Even as a religious person who is also a Christian, it really is disgusting to see Butch manipulate his fans like that. That kinda deception, even if it's for God, I'm sure is not approved of by other Christians. I know I'm sure as hell pissed off at that, because that is EXACTLY why we have such a bad reputation, because people like Butch make us all seem manipulative, jerks, or close minded
Also I'm the kind of Christian to support and care about LBGTQ+ rights, since religion is meant to be promoting love and loving our brothers and sisters, so I'm not brainwashed into playing God by saying LBGTQ+ people are going to hell/aren't normal
And I like you too Pie♡
I'm a Christian too, and frankly? I'm PISSED! He LIED to his fans and other people and TOOK THEIR MONEY, for what? Lying to people isn't going to spread to good word about Christianity pal! It baffles my mind because, I'm in the same boat as you, I'm a proud LGBTQ+ supporter AND a Christian, but it sucks that most of the mainstream Christians like Hartman spread such terrible messages about this religion!
We're not supposed to be lying, cheating, spreading hate, but look at what most "Christians" are doing. It makes me sick! Absolutely sick.
Goken I agree with pretty much everything you said, I'm a Christian as well, and while I have no personal problem with homosexuals I think that it is abnormal from a biological perspective. That's not a condemnation or a judgment it's just me saying that I don't think homosexuality or transexuality is normal, they both seem like the result of perhaps genetic, perhaps chemical, perhaps Environmental factors
Christian as well and I agree that this sort of manipulation is terrible. There's nothing wrong with the idea of a Christian streaming service on its own. Certainly something I'd have no interest in myself, but nothing wrong with it. The fact that he LIED to get people's money is where my big issue comes in. It both goes against the ten commandments itself but as a person in general, it's just morally wrong. Absolutely disgusting, Butch.
As for the LGBT community, I am very supportive and I genuinely hate that so many people take a religion that literally says that we have absolutely no right to judge others to be so downright hateful towards people simply trying to live their lives.
I agree with everything you say. I'm also a Christian who supports LGBT rights.
Goken i think the same way you do.
I can’t believe I almost donated $60 to him! I’m glad I didn’t Because he was too vague to even get $10 from me, I’m sticking with Crunchyroll!
i'm a christian. i have no problem with a christian streaming service.
but he lied to us
That's a tad extreme
Shaniqua burnt Christians? No thanks, I’ll stick to grilled mormons
The Ultimate McNugget Nagi Just make sure you check the Broble.
Nice Jontron reference lol
I can imagine him saying "Yes i created your childhood" In the voice of brian griffin
Good god, how bizarre this has gotten...
"Good god" is right!
We don’t need to block out ideas like depression and suicide from entertainment that, according to Butch, supposedly is responsible for why young people nowadays are struggling with such issues. If anything, they need to be brought up and tackled in entertainment in order to help those who deal with them. This is ridiculous. As someone who grew up with Fairly Odd Parents, I am so disappointed.
What's sad about this is that one of my favorite episodes of Danny Phantom, "My Brother's Keeper", is about depression.
Ironically "It's a Wishful Life" is one of the most depressing cartoon episodes ever made. As for the topic in general, I'm against things that glorify suicide, but I think that, like you said, mental illness should be addressed so people can learn that it's nothing shameful and there's help available. The live-action show Clarissa Explains It All had a very good episode addressing the topic. There are psalms in the Bible that describe what sounds like depression (and treating it like any other illness rather than something to be ashamed of), so people need to know mental illness is not some new-fangled thing.
Actually, I do agree about that, haven't you ever seen memes about suicide and sometimes get really comfortable about committing suicide? People joke about it, but deep inside they get demoralised and sometimes have serious thoughts about it, if you don't believe me you can clearly see it in social media.
DLRD I know what you mean. Some people act like suicide is no big deal, or even glamorous, and then wonder why there's an increase in the suicide rate. I once saw an incident in which someone committed suicide and people gushed about what a martyr they were and how they should be praised (Um, what?), and I thought, "That's just going to make people more likely to commit suicide because they'll think they'll be revered if they do." Suicide should be viewed as a tragedy that should be prevented, not something to be praised.
Kara O'Connor *Cough* 13 Reasons Why *Cough*
Ironically, my uncle hated Butch's shows because they were apparently "anti-Christian" and not for kids. Ever since I discovered Butch was Christian, I told my uncle and he refused to believe me.
Iron Revenant ironic haha, also cool fma profile pic!
Uncle: I hate Butch’s shows, they’re so anti-Christian.
*Iron Revenant later discovers that Butch is Christian*
Iron Revenant: Hey, Uncle.
Uncle: Hm?
Iron Revenant: I just recently found out that Butch is Christian.
Uncle: *BULLSHIT!!!*
Iron Revenant lol
Iron Revenant boi
Your uncle's a dumbass.
The lesson of the day... Be transparent with people. If he had just come out and said Oaxis was going to be a Christian streaming service, I don't think he'd be getting anywhere near the backlash he is now.
This honestly saddens me sooo much. I looked up to Butch, I started off liking him and grew to love him with his RUclips channel. I actually went there to escape my sadness and enjoy his content, but my gosh, after seeing his true self emerge and watch all this unfold and spiral down, I can say I've lost so much respect for him and dislike like him very much now. And for him to blame horror movies for depression and suicide is absolutely disgusting. Funny because I actually struggled with depression and still struggle with great sadness at times and social anxiety and I actually take refuge to horror films. I'm a big major horror fan and they surprisingly make me happy and have helped me and still do. Funny isn't it, Butchy?? He even said on his Speech Bubble podcast that introverted and shy people are selfish and self centered, wow! Unfollowed him everywhere! Bye bye Butchy! It wasn't nice knowing you.
Ada Wong - Wait, where did he call shy people "self-centered"?
Ada Wong yeah, that's not going to be met with backlash. I anticipate none at all...
None at all...
Also glad I didn't subscribe to butch Hartman's channel back in the day
Ada Wong he really said that about introverts? Oh well I guess in butches own sick world introverts are choosing to be introverts
camwoodstock ruclips.net/video/1p4OY7Qhf0I/видео.html about 35 seconds in is when he starts talking about it.
Ada Wong Just beat the everloving crap outta Milla "OP" Jovovich. You'll be fine.
The Fairly Odd Con Artist
5:25 - Depression has existed forever. There was literally a time in the past called "The Great Depression." Those are two different things lmao.
It wasn't called the Great Depression for nothing. There were times when parents would sell their kids because of the Depression. It was a _Depressing_ time.
@@czeji5292 thanks for the pun...
Why was is called the great depression
@@DecaafTweakin So, here's a background on a few key economic terms: inflation, recession, and depression. Inflation is when the spending power of currency rises, so a inflation rate of 3% a year would mean $1 this year would be worth $1.03 next year. Recession is the opposite of inflation. where the spending power of money falls. So an deflation rate of 3% would mean that $1 this year would be $0.97 next year. Depression is a recession, but much, much worse. The Great Depression was called the Great Depression, because it was felt all over the world, due to WWI after-effects and Black Tuesday.
@@kazuichisouda2026 No I know what it is I said it in a sarcastic tone.
Honestly I’m not surprised that Oaxis turned out to be Christian. He seems very much like the type of person who can’t help putting his own agendas into his art. Plus, I grew up in a very Christian environment, so I know that “traditional family values” is almost ALWAYS code for “Christian.”
I guess it depends where you grow up. My parents aren't at all religious so when they said "family friendly", they typically meant cartoons, documentaries or "wholesome movies" about families.
I think that's the way most people see it but there's a difference between saying something is "family friendly" and calling something "traditional family values". One is, like you said, about being appropriate for children and "wholesome" and the other many people reads as being a nicer way of saying Christian or concservative.
Shaniqua Can you please tell me what you were referencing? I wanna see it now.
To be honest, the entire USA could use more traditional family values. The lack of traditional family values is what makes kids grow up to be school shooters, have mental illnesses, fathers who don't teach their boys how to become real Men and mothers who don't teach their daughters how to become real Women, and divorces with marriages lasting only a few years, if that, when back in the 30's-50's, people who married actually married for life and learned how to keep a marriage together. How?
Traditional Family Values. We all really need to go back to that.
@Ash Kitt are you serious?
Even Mr. Rogers would be disappointed in Butch Hartman.
Of course he would be! Who wouldn't?
Now I can’t stop thinking about a religious FOP episode where Timmy learns that God is stronger than fairies and Cosmo and Wanda get their wands taken away by Jesus
Ooohh! Maybe an animation parody of your idea should be made!
Honestly I'd watch this
I love the fact that in attempt to make a Christian streaming service, he alienated his Christian audience through his methods.
Its so sad that he has a warped mentality and was a manipulative jerk also as a Christian Catholic he was very disrespectful to the other people with many different backrounds
Clarence Tempest just to clarify something about your comment: Christian Catholic don't exist, someone can either be Christian or Catholic, you can't be both
Xen0n Tube um no....catholics are christians....there's catholic and protestant though...
hannah exactly
Xen0n Tube Catholics are Christian
GTFO here with your 'true Christian' elitist bullshit
The idea of chatolics was to be basically Jews that believe in Jesus Christ ( hence "Christians", Catholics don't refer to themselves as Christians that much,) parallel to the original Jews that believe that Jesus was not the true Messiah, the Christians more commonly known in the states are the Protestants, the ones that don't praise saints and is basically very different depending on the country or even congregation
This basically explains why he was so vague about the whole thing. He should have just said it's a Christian streaming network but I feel like if he said that, he was sorta aware not much people would donate money. For a religious man, he sure lies and has made "adult jokes" in his cartoons. Anyway, I hope the people he scammed get their money back if that is possible and Oaxis fails miserably
Butch wasn't the only person who wrote fairly odd parents
Yeah I have a feeling maybe a lot of those jokes weren't written or animated by him. Either that or it was something that the producers or Nick told him he needed to add in or something. If he did write or animate some of them though he's a damn hypocrite
He’s Kirk Cameron with cartoons lol
Tbh, I'm actually confident that he would've still been able to get the money even if he had been honest about his intentions from the get-go. (Fundamental Christians and churches _love_ endeavors to put America's youth back on the straight-and-narrow.) That's what makes this all especially tragic; It could've been avoided so easily, but he literally went out of his way to be deceitful!
And ironically, saying that it was a streaming service like Netflix but "by Christians for Christians" would've answered the frequently-asked question of "what does Oaxis offer that similar already-existing services don't?"!
I know for sure that if _I_ had a similar vision, I would've been upfront about the Christian aspect-- if not used it as a selling point! And if some people decided they didn't want to donate specifically because they don't want to support something religion-based, then I would say "That's fine. You are not my target audience anyway, and I wouldn't _expect_ you to want to support it".
Kyle2000 I know but the man acts as though he made it all by himself all the time by saying "I created your childhood". But he may have written in some of those jokes
I hope PieGuy will see this comment, though it is quite a long tale. I want to give my thoughts on this situation as someone who had some history with the church.
People like Butch are the reason why people like me don't believe in church. People like him carry around God's name and use it as an excuse for sin. Want to talk about using the Lord's name in vain? You have people like Butch Hartman who say one thing and do the opposite. I could care less about him making a religious service, but scamming people for money is what the 8th commandment tells you NOT to do.
I was in a Catholic school called St.Michael's The Archangel (located in Miami) until fourth grade, and I realized very quickly in life how hypocritical these "godly" people act. The kids would preach God's word, yet constantly harassed me for having a disability, dispised LGBT like if it was the plague, and even watched some very disgusting 18+ videos in the middle of computer class. Keep in mind these were 7-8 years old kids! Not only that, but the higher-ups like the principal and the priest would use the church money for themselves instead of helping the poor. And some of the teachers weren't even certified to teach. Thankfully, my mom took me out after realizing all of this. I'm living much happier now as I actually have friends, a RUclips channel I love making videos for, and I'm even the school president. I know this seems off topic, but trust me this relates a lot to Butch's "mission".
Let me clarify my point is not to attack anyone who is religious. I pray to God every night and I read Daily Bread every morning. But what I'm saying is that people like Butch are the reason tons of people have given up on religion. If there is anything the public has grown aware of in the past decade, it's two-faced people/organizations. While there may some people who work with religion with good intentions, religious extremists like Butch show people the church has sadly become two-faced. You can't scam people and then not expect to get angry, even if it is "in the name of God". I am so sorry to anyone who truly believes in God and just wants to advocate for peace and unity. I'm sorry you have to put up with people like Butch who use the title of "Christian" to justify their own agenda. It's better to be an honest sinner than a "perfect Christian". People like Butch are the reason God hasn't come back, he lives in fear of what he has created and I don't blame him.
P.S.: One more thing, this actually breaks the whole point of Oaxis. It's funny how religious people talk about the Illuminati controlling children though TV, yet Butch is essentially doing the same thing with Christian values.
JulioCoolio I hope you realize the difference between cathlic and christain, because they are extremely different
I acknowledge that there is a difference, but I could care less what religion someone believes in as long as they're a good person. My point is that extremists, no matter what faith they belong to, taint the image of that belief system by acting hypocritically. Sometimes those radicals will do things "for the sake of (insert deity here)" even if their actions go against their beliefs. Those hypocrites, since they are large in number, then make the people who calmly practice their beliefs look bad. If one honesty is a pillar of religion, a religious man like Butch shouldn't be using deceiving tactics to attain his goal even if he is doing the "work of God."
Thanks for sharing your story man.
Anytime, it just angers me to see people like Butch use religion as a justification to steal money. Even if he weren't religious I would've called him out since two-faced people are the worst. Keep in mind Nostalgia Critic also used these shady tactics and he's not that religious.
JulioCoolio um there are some errors in that statement of yours. First of all there are no perfect christens the book of Roman's says that, we try and succeed to a certain degree. Second God is NOT fearful of his creation, he HATES what happening and will judge it accordingly.
Last time I checked, The Bible spoke against lying and scamming, so what Butch did was VERY un-Christian of him by lying about his service being Christian propaganda. I had a feeling this was going to be Christian propaganda as soon as I watched Cr1tikal's riff on the Kickstarter video, and even he thought it was Christian propaganda as well, given the way it was presented seemed like it had the mentality of the typical Christian soccer mom who thinks that [insert thing that's popular among kids here] is allegedly "Satanic" for one reason or another, and as it turns out, I was right. I mean, I have no problem with someone trying to make a more family-friendly streaming service, but this whole thing is just.. uggh.
May God have mercy on his soul...
Masterge77 the Ten Commandments are among the more popular verses, up there with John 3 16
I have a friend who has depression, and saying it’s because of media, well it’s freakin ridiculous. He doesn’t have a single idea of what can cause depression. Over all his entire “Oaxis” idea is ridiculous. It’s over all, again, ridiculous!
I'm starting to wonder if he left Nickelodeon because he was getting so outraged about the network allowing gay/bi characters into a couple of their shows (The Loud House, Legend of Korra, etc.).
If so, what a fucking drama queen. But it would explain him leaving so suddenly, his vague explanations for why he left, and suddenly sprouting a Kickstarter campaign to fund a "family values" streaming service. By the way, if you're a queer person, you'll know what "family values" actually means.
That’s a neat theory.
I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be true. He seems like the type of person who's petty and close minded anough to do such a thing
I'm not queer and even I know what "family values" mean (well in religious context anyways). It's just something I don't get: If it isn't harming anyone and it isn't affecting your life, why do you care if somebody is gay, bisexual, etc.? Are you that insecure with your own sexuality that you need to be against others?
I have to agree with electabuzz, "family values" is straight up Christian dog whistling. Plus, his comment about "childrens cartoons being used for political agendas" only makes sense in terms of lgbt content because I have NO clue what other things have been political in kids shows. Even though a Christian value centric kids show IS just as political lmao. Politics is ubiquitous when we're talking about social values
RyanX1231 that's EXACTLY where my mind went to when I heard "family values". None of this new info is surprising to me at all unfortunately.
*No swearing on Butch's Christian Minecraft server*
stormsurge or you'll come face to face with a buff dudly puppy
hecc off
stormsurge wat
stormsurge Why are you swearing on my Family-Friendly streaming app?!
Are there actually any Christian Minecraft servers? How would that even work?
I'm glad I didn't fund Oaxis.
Will M same here
Same
Same
I didn't even know it existed XD
I’m glad I had no money yet to fund anything on the Net
I'm a diehard Christain and I'm still offended
I just lose more and more respect for Butch Hartman.
You and me both.
SylenDraws I never like too much begin with
Same here. If Butch really is against the LGBTQ+ community or just doesn't like it, then I'm going to erase his shows from my life.
SylenDraws same.
Prince Of Nothing lol why
When I first heard about Oaxis
"seems OK"
Now
"I've lost any respect I had for you Butch and really disappointed in your ling and manipulation"
"ling"
I honestly feel bad for Thomas Sanders, an incredible man who adores Butch and also happens to be gay. Damn. If Butch turns out to be homophobic, I can't imagine Thomas' reaction.
Hartman is so out of touch with reality, it's not even funny. It's sad, really.
Oof. This is just sad man. The man who created shows of my childhood has stooped to this level. I've always respected him until now, and I still respect his shows, but as a person, it's pretty much gone now. I guess it's true what they say about "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain"......
There aren't even all written by him! He only came up with the ideas.
Nerdy Fan that's true. They'll always hold a special place in my heart. No shame in that!
god demands refunds
I will say this. I just lost all respect I had for Butch Hartman. I used to think be was one of the best animators of all time. I also grew up Christian and went to Church. I remember watching Veggietales in Sunday School. Veggie tales at least never brought anyone down for being different. It was just a bible story with a humorous retelling. I liked veggie tales. What Butch is doing is despicable. I can agree about the being in tablets and phones too much thing but its disrespectful to shut out mental illness and LGBTQ persons. Jesus said to love one another. But, most Christians don't do so. This is one reason I stopped going to Church a few years ago. Its becoming all about politics and not the teachings to love one another as ourselves.
Veggie Tales was a good Christian show. I remember watching before as a kid and laughing about the tomato and the cucumber XD
Lying is a sin
*sigh* I can’t believe how much respect for Butch I’ve lost from this whole charade, the egotistical manipulation and smug self indulgence is quite honestly frightening. And the saddest part is that if Butch Hartman can be like this, who knows how many of our childhood heroes are?
as an old saying goes: "never meet your heros, you could end up VERY dissapointed."
+A Guardian Angel unless it's someone like Terry Crews. He seems like a cool dude in real life.
Mr Spectacals or the rock
Johnny K. Jimmy Savile. Bill Cosby. Harvey Weinstein. The list is growing.
A Guardian Angel you should look up Danny Antonouci (Ed Edd and Eddy creator) he’s the opposite of butch and most his other stuff is not for kids! His other animations have gore and stuff, but at least he’s never hid that stuff
I get angry when Butch says he created my childhood, he created 2 good shows! 2 good shows is not a childhood, it might be a childhood for some people, but not me, I mean, the creator of sponge-bob doesn’t go round bragging he created your childhood, he’s acting like a famous celebrity, he doesn’t deserve that status
He also made TUFF Puppy, and the recent Bunsen Is A Beast!, it only had one season because he left Nick.
Amen! We also don’t see Craig McCracken and Lauren Fost (Craig: creator of Powerpuff girls and Fosters home of imaginary friends; Lauren: creator of My Little Pony G5)
andykishore but that one show is arguably the most famous cartoon of all time, he has every right to brag, but he doesn’t
Marinette/Ladybug Dupain-Cheng most people don’t consider those good shows, it’s great if you like them, but the majority only like Danny phantom and fairly odd parents
I'm straight christian woman and I believe that love is love and we should never put hate and intolerance into kids heads. Why so many people have problem with something so normal as love? Grow up already.
You wanna introduce your kids to Christian values? Show them Veggie Tales.
Or In the Beginning: The Bible Stories made by Osamu Tezuka (Yeah, Astroboy' creator himself) or even The animated stories from the Bible made by Richard Rich, the man who worked on The Swam Princess 1994 version
I had a great uncle commit suicide in the 1960s. But it wasn’t because of depression or trauma he experienced. Looney Tunes at that time wasn’t as Christian as it could’ve been
"Isn't honesty something in the Bible? I don't know honestly"
That phrasing made me laugh a little too much.
As a Christian myself, I have honestly lost all respect for Butch
I'm agnostic and I'm glad I didn't back his project!
Oh my God! He said what about suicide?! 🤦🏻♀️
I hope he's not one of those "conspiracy theorists" that believe illogical things like Mandela Effect and Flat Earth too!
I hope not.
rhonda howard I think alot of people who believe in flat earth are religious , I wanna doubt butch is that crazy but ya never know I almost wouldnt doubt it the other way
xxnekonekox well, mostly very extreme christians
The Wolf Princess My mom thinks similar things to Butch about the topic. She thinks electronics are the root of all depression and suicide in children, when that isn't true at all.
It’s amazing how Stephen Hillenburg is way more humble than Hartman yet he created THE most successful Nickelodeon show! Apparently creating two shitty shows and two shows that became shit can give someone a gigantic ego!
Okay, I hate Butch as much as everyone, but I don't want to diminish his success. Fairly OddParents and Danny Phantom were great shows and the former is a classic to many people, including me.
RyanX1231 Separate the art from the artist.
+RyanX1231
only 2 good shows, 1 of them got cancelled mid-way trough and the other one became sh*t after the 6th season it's basically zombie simpsons (danny phantom and the fairly oddparents respectively) the fairly oddparents were good at the start, great really a nickelodeon classic, but after the original writers left and the budged began to shrink they suffered the same fate as the simpsons, and butch had to try and stick it all together for several seasons. (not to metion that the budget got so small they couldn't even maintain the same type animation, and had to switch to flash)
RyanX1231 Yeah they were great for a while until butch was given full reign on his shows.
He wasn't the main reason why those shows were good. His CREW was the main reason those shows were ever good! Once he had full control, they became shit (at least to me)
I had a feeling he was going to go down the indoctrination route when he called Oxasis "family friendly" because most christian affiliated movements will use these words.
I'm Christian and he should definitely should've mentioned this, he may not have reached his goal if he said it, but he should've said it %100
He thinks Oaxis is going to "reshape the youth" but I highly doubt any kid is going to bother watching it.
If you want to introduce to kids to Christianity at an early age, just show them Veggie Tales.
Isobel Miller that's the only Christian kids show I'm ok with
As a Christian, I'm so disappointed in Butch. The way you should bring others to the Christian faith is by doing good works and being a good follower of God, and others will see and might join. And if people don't want to be Christian, oh well, they won't. You're not supposed to deceive people and take their money, I'm ashamed at the bad light Butch puts Christians in 😔
Alolan Tree
The Bible said spread the word about Jesus
Spread the word, meaning tell other people about it
Exactly. People come to the Lord knowingly and of their own free will, or not at all. You can't just _deceive_ them about it.
He makes televangelist look good.
ItzZatOneGuy Here Yeah. At least the 55 million dollar private jet guy TOLD YOU he wanted your money so he could have a PRIVATE JET.
Alolan Tree “a bad light”
If anyone thinks every Christian person is like Butch Hartman, don’t stand for it. Tell them that they’re ignorantly stereotyping. You shouldn’t try to justify stereotyping.
Listen: I agree that Butch Hartman shouldn't have lied but it is not fair to say that ALL Christians are against the L.G.B.T. community when they most certainly are not. I love The Lord, he's a third parent to me but I know that he would never want me to hate or discriminate against his other children (especially since being gay is not in The Ten Commandments) so I've also been a huge supporter of the L.G.B.T. I'm not a part of it myself just simply because I don't feel gay, Bi or trans but I support that everyone should get along with them and let them be who they are. I am not angry with you, I am not trying to rant at you, I am trying to educate you. Next time: Please do not say that someone is against the L.G.B.T. because they are Christian because you are actively doing the one thing you told us not to do: Putting words in his mouth as well as putting words in the mouths of other Christians (when MOST Christians support L.G.B.T. rights because one of the main Ten Commandments is to LOVE everyone). This whole Christians hate the L.G.B.T. and God hates L.G.B.T. is not only a negative stereotype for the Christians but a lie as well since God loves all of his children unconditionally. So please, unless Butch Hartman openly states that he is against L.G.B.T. please do not just assume that he is because of his faith. I am just so sick of seeing other, decent Christians as well as myself negatively labeled because of what a couple of misguided ones did.
Not exactly true the Bible says that sex between men is a sin, so the sin is having gay sex, being gay isn't a sin. The Bible also says that premarital sex is also a sin, so it's not like only gay people have restrictions on them.
@@dkjfajdfjlkdkafkjdfk thats why you need to chuck the whole thing out the window
Jack Manning the Bible says women were created for men
The distinction many people miss is that Christians believe the practice of homosexuality is immoral, not the desire. Temptation is inevitable; the most you can do is reduce it. Someone who has homosexual attraction can still be Christian, like how people who want to lie or steal can be Christian. Conversion therapy is a way to help people reduce their temptation, and is licit if it is voluntary. Many strong Catholics are former homosexuals, like Michael Voris. Also, it's not a Christian thing to point out that men can not become women; that's just objective truth against relativism. People can call themselves what they want, but it's wrong to lie, even in order to protect people's feelings.
FFS! It’s not even in the 10 commandments! Stop!
"Christian values" don't inherently mean indoctrination; they can just as well mean values like "be kind to your neighbor" and all that jazz. The way Butch talks about Oaxis is definitely very lofty and he seems like he's way in over his head, but I don't think he's trying to convert anyone to Christianity through Oaxis. Lots of religions and ways of thought have different positive values quite separate from the more committing religious-based beliefs. He's talking to a Christian congregation in that video, so he's certainly going to use more religious jargon. I dunno. I guess I'm just not entirely convinced that the man has it out to convert people who use his platform.
I mean that's a possibility, but it's also because people don't want to be forced to be religious. I'd consider myself Christian, and I wouldn't really want to be watching content that's indirectly trying to convert me to Islam. Christianity is something that's "cool" to hate nowadays which is a bit of a shame, but all that I was really trying to get across was that "Christian values" don't mean "conversion to Christianity". People hear the word "Christian" and they flip out and make all the nasty assumptions that they can come up with. What I think would be wrong with trying to convert people to Christianity through this platform would be the fact that it was not advertised as a Christian platform. You can't just surprise people with that sort of thing. Butch noted that creating and advertising a Christian entertainment platform would only attract Christians, but in through instilling Christian _values_ (not faith or religion of any sort, just values), he can reach out to all people in a positive way. Now I'm really not sure what I think about Oaxis as a whole, but this video blows the religious aspect completely out of proportion and is a prime example of someone flipping out at the mention of Christianity. Some other things may be valid or whatever, and that might be the way things are, but I'm directly speaking to the Christianity "issue".
Something I found interesting...
If you were to tune in to Nickelodeon channel nowadays, there are commercials that show support for the LGBTQ community, that empower girls and women, and support people from different races.
Butch (allegedly) left Nickelodeon on his own accord.
Just something to think about...
Yeah he left around the time they started airing the LGBTQ stuff which he has shown Anti-LGBTQ vibes for a long time
If you think im lying them shame on you because is true
Charles Monroe in the leaked church video, Hartman clarifies that he left Nick because of what he views as the corruption in Hollywood. He doesn’t say what corruption exactly, though I thought maybe he was alluding to John K or Dan Schneider.
If youre trying to say hes homophobic then thats just a reach
GuineaPigDan
John K is Hollywood?
That guy has not been doing work a while now.
I like how he was giving all that BS about not wanting politics in cartoons and crap, what a hypocrite.
Politics, except for Christianity. It must be shown to everyone because it is the ULTIMATE TRUTH AND YOU'RE GONNA ACCEPT IT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!
You said it, bro/sis!
He says he doesn't want politics in cartoons, and he says in one of his videos that he likes South Park.
Isobel Miller South Park is inherently for adults. Not defending butch, because this just means that he doesnt want GBTQ people being treated like people in cartoons, and instead either acting like they dont exist, or, making them out to be monsters in as family fri3ndly a way as possible
I'm fine with Christian shows even though I'm an Atheist, I found them funny when I was growing up because I was raised Christian.
I won't really think much of the streaming service shows until the shows are out, ImagiNathan looks interesting.
But he can't really coverup that he copyrighted critiqued videos about him.
"Downplay science" well I mean
he's a hardcore Christian
what do you expect?
Im a Christian as highly disgusted that Butch would do this. God would not want to spread his word based on lies and not telling the full truth. What he did was just plain wrong and not representative of true Christian values. I'm so glad didn't put money into his lies and had no interest in it. I feel bad for all parents and homosexual parents or not who put money into this without knowing his true intentions and probably don't feel comfortable with supporting him or what he is doing. I hope they get their money back if they want it back. Butch does not deserve it and im gonna be unsubscribing from him for this.
@D Sub, no; Christianity is based on the truth.
Truth. His whole scheme here makes it seem like he doesn't think any non-believers could possibly become interested in Christian content via their own conviction and free will (or, y'know, the quality of said content itself), so he needs to resort to _tricking_ them into watching it.
@D Sub, Christianity has every evidence for belief. Example; unlike other religions, our God can be seen in the universe, through the creation through the expansion of the universe. Moreover, every other God has their religions based on *works* while Christianity is based on grace through faith. Romans 1:20, "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, *so that people are without excuse*.
Justin Stewart christianity has no valid evidence.
aetherkid events and people in the Bible have been proven to have existed historically.
Probably better to enjoy the work of someone and not get too close to the person who created what you liked...listening to that video was awkward. Parables to Christianity in _all_ of his shows? *Tuff Puppy?* _Really?_ How? A parable to Christianity in _My Shiny Teeth and Me???_ WHAT?
LMAO Christian reality shows?? *Really?*
Oh no wait you guys, he's just selling the Kickstarter as a _parable_ You didn't get any hint that it was all based on Christianity, but you also didn't get the other parables from his other shows but it was there _the whole time_ he didn't tell you...but it was there. it's there....
White Asylum modern fop never mentioned God
It all makes sense now. Danny Phantom being half-human half-ghost is a reference to Jesus: both in being God and man simultaneously, and in him dying and resurrecting again.
White Asylum Enjoying the work of someone... unless that person is an ass that cares about himself.
White Asylum Thou shout cheweth thy butt!
White Asylum So this is way they say 'never meet your heroes'...
As a Christian myself, I see no problems with Butch creating a Christian streaming service. I think that in and of itself is a good thing. However, lying to fans and hiding the fact that it was a Christian streaming service, is underhanded and something that he should not have done. He should have just been honest about what he was making. Yes, he would have gotten flak, but I'm sure many Christians would have stood up and supported him, enough to make the difference.
Butch knows he did something wrong. If he thought he was doing something good, he would have come right out and said “Help me fund this streaming service to spread Christian morals!” But he had to leave that out. And about the LGBTQ+ community? Forget that, he’s totally against us. Why do I say that? Well, he’s being quiet about his stance, which says to me either 1) he’s against us, but Butch “I created your childhood, no negativity, $99” Hartman doesn’t want to say it because, like I said, “no negativity :)” or 2) he has no problem with us, but is worried that his saying so will result in him losing followers. Call me picky, but I don’t consider someone too concerned with their image to stand by our side to be an ally.
Effeffia Gonalick
I support Butch more now that he is anti-LGBT, shows he has REAL morals and ethics!
There’s no way Butch would lose a significant amount of followers by showing support for LGBT. I think society has progressed to a point where the majority has no problem with gay characters.
This seems like straight outta a SB episode where Krabs or Plankton would do that... and those are fictional
Michael Beld - I just spat out my coffee. Thanks.
Mr. Butch Krabman
Sheldon J Butchton
"The fact that the children are easily manipulated by..."
Mipe oh my god shut up. This happens all the time in real life.
I swear, the more I read about Butch Hartman, the more I'm so convinced he's as big of a manchild as Timmy Turner's Dad (perhaps even more so). He used to be great once, but the ego of two good cartoons has gotten to his head. Now he's pushing for a religious streaming service without even saying that it was going to be one, and being gung-ho about violence and nudity... what kind of world does he live in that he thinks HIS streaming service is that important? Or even believes that people would CARE enough to sit and watch it together when it's a STREAMING service?
Charles Caulkins Well, he does look like Timmy's dad in a way....
And surprise surprise. THAT VIDEO was also taken down...
I was suicidal when I was in pre-school, did barney make me depressed? Or was it sesame street?
barney made everyone depressed dont worry he can't get you here in the comment section, your safe from the evil purple dinosaur.....lol
As someone who suffers Depressions and a sister who was growing very close to committing suicide due to her own depression...
...I am hurt. SO BADLY! I DID trust in Butch to a point. But...
I am so sickened...
Butch trying to create a streaming to force his religious agenda on the youth would be one thing.
But the thing that pisses me off the most is the fact that he could’ve gotten this thing off the ground without the use of crowdfunding. He probably would’ve gotten enough money for this if he talked to some big Christian organisation, but the fact he lied about his kickstarter and never told anyone what his true goals were is just disgusting.
If Butch really is a religious man (and I doubt it) he should’ve known that ‘Deceiving’ is a sin, and like every other sin it’s not a good thing to do at all.
Want to know who loves to deceive people? Satan.
[UPDATE] probably shouldn’t of added that last sentence now that I’m looking back at it. My opinions still stand though. Also Butch is a catholic as someone in the comments pointed out. Doesn’t justify his actions though.
gametron59 I saw your post and wondered, "Yeah...why didn't he enlist some organization?" Then I wondered, "What if this Christian theme wasn't the original goal?" What if he only claimed it was Christian later on to try to appeal to Christians? I've heard of people doing things like that. That might not be the case at all, but I just had to wonder if he were lying then or is he lying now.
gametron59 The irony hurts
Kara O'Connor That would make sense. After all the backlash he received, he definitely needed some type of organisation to support his streaming service.
KamenMasked What do you mean "try to make it look better"? Deception is still deception. I'm just wondering what he's lying about, and that's certainly not trying to make anything look better because one lie would be as bad as the other.
What's with the people who created our childhoods coming out to be worse than they actually are?
Disney stars getting themselves in trouble with the law, Dan Schneider, and now.. Butch.. Just goes to show even nostalgia isn't always bright.
"Just goes to show even nostalgia isn't always bright."
True, and those who are trying to push America back to the 50s need to learn this lesson in my opinion.
Sneaky Snek I didn’t know that about the Loud House!
The creator of Ren and Stimpy is also an offencer
Butch Hartman has gone full Jimmy Swaggart!
I’m a Christian myself, but I think a Christian streaming service should EXPLICITLY state it is a Christian service.
i saw parts of his livestream (a few hours before the campaign ended) and when someone asked him if this was going to be a christian network he said no, so either he was lying or i'm misremembering things because wasn't paying that much attention
ppp I think he's trying to get away with it being for everybody while still instilling Christian values. Which is bullshit
The most ridiculous thing of all is that you _can_ promote "Christian values" (or at least values that Christians approve of) while still being a show for general audiences. Teaching the importance of kindness, and forgiveness, and honesty, and selflessness are all things that Christians look for in the things they show their children as well as things that anyone in general can appreciate.
And personally, I think that creating quality shows with the goal of instilling those values just because it's the right thing to do is a _much_ better and more effective testimony than just slapping God's name on your project and expecting that to automatically earn you extra brownie points with Him.
There is ONE way to sum up Butch Hartman now and it is on TV Tropes: We call it Broken Pedestal.
Sadly he might be too much of a sacred cow for his fans to care.
Specifically, I'd say he falls into the "The Svengali" sub-trope.
"And THIS is where I'd put all of my honesty!
...IF I HAD ANY!!"
mattwo7 Precisely. It's because he's a celeb, they don't care. The focus on "family friendly" was fishy from the start.
Right next to Doug Walker.
Sml
Teen titans
Boomerang
Dan Schneider
Now butch hartman
My childhood is falling apart bit by bit 😢
Don't forget Stephen Hillenburg's ALS Disease 😭😭😭😭😭😭
People had depression and other mental health issues before the 70s. They just didn't seek treatment and drank themselves to death or beat people up instead.
As a Christian myself, I am frankly disgusted by what this man has done. Oaxis seemed like a fine idea on paper. The problem was he barely said anything about how it would work. That's just one thing. To go out and lie to your viewers about what this service was gonna be is a whole new level entirely. To sit on a pedestal like this using your "I created your childhood" nonsense as your constant go-to for people to support anything that you do is quite egotistical too. He didn't do crap in creating my "puh-pwecious" childhood. All he did was make 2 TV shows that were received well and that's it. Tuff Puppy is far from spectacular and while I haven't seen Bunsen, I've heard it's very mediocre. I'm also the type of Christian who is perfectly fine with LGBTQ+ people existing, so to see all of this shady practice coming from a guy people used to love just makes celebrities look worse and really just proves that the type of world that I live in is getting less and less hopeful every single day. So Mr. Hurtman (yes I know what I said) don't go around saying that people can't criticize you because they haven't made art when you haven't made a memorable product in over a decade. What a sham to the cartoon community.
My thoughts on butch have been completely flipped
I used to look up to him for his amazing shows :I and being able to create something that can be shown and loved all over
Now a days I just thought he was a good guy doing what he loves but this is crazy and disappointing that he’d hide stuff and some of the things he’s said are so disingenuous
Hartman is totally wrong about media being more “family friendly” in the past. Did he never see an episode of All In the Family or other sitcoms as a kid? The 70s, when Hartman was growing up, were full of sitcoms that attempted to push the limit. They often touched on controversies of the day. And don’t get me started on the stuff that used to make it in a PG movie.
On another note, while Hartman is definitely manipulative and trying to push an agenda, there’s no proof he’s Anti LGBT. That’s a bit of a stretch
His past behavior on DP fan forum he interacted with alot and his social media actions give a Anti-LGBT vibe
Lloyd Landrum what did he say? BTW I edited the comment before I saw your reply
Dave W given the DP forum site has been around since around I know of 2005 It'd be hard to dig up direct quotes and such but his behavior on the DP fan forum is basically he got it where if you even offsite admitted to being anything other then strait you got banned if found ,same with trans fanart and fanfiction of charaters if posted off site aswell as okay aged same sex couple fanfiction and fanart posted offsite and found you'd get banned from the DP fansite. While on social media he has been found by people to make offesive kinds of remarks generally mean-spirited jokes towards trans and gays.. Granted he tends to delete them after after awhile from what I hear
Lloyd Landrum If that’s true than that’s not good
Definitely! I was thinking that too. It is unfair when people say today's media is full of inappropriate things when it's always been that way. Yes now we have even more *access* to these things and perhaps even more scandalous things but today's media also tends to have so much bleached clean vacant content (if you ever watch cable television especially) filled with the drive to appeal to as many people as possible or to appeal to demographic/s that seem to be on the rise in order to make more money.
I love your work on your videos, you worked really hard on them, I’m just telling you this just to be not only a nice person, but to put a smile on your face.
Also marry almost Christmas, because Christmas is just around the corner
Kickstarter should shut this down, even though its funded and everything, they should shut it down and refund everyone, because i think that what Butch did is against the rules, not showing that this was a christian network...
We should do a petition to kickstarter so they could take it down.
I would like to see the rule list you are getting this from, I looked and couldn't find anything. Also, I think as long as the money is going towards the project promised, even if it was based on lies, there may be little recourse for us other than to issue chargebacks.
You can just refund it
Ghostgirl 708 it is fully within the rules. It’s misleading, but not scamming
Hey ghost girl did you mean to use the sentence against da rules!?!?👏👌✌😎
"Reshape our youth" are we sure this isn't a cult? Because those words right there sounds like something a cult would say.
EyeofSol in the distance: "THANK YOU" xP
He says he wants to make a difference in culture. When anybody wants to change society/culture in one way or the other (whether Christian, liberal, etc.), the kids and young ppl are the target audience. Their minds are malleable, plus they're the future of society. 🤔
lmao trueee
Autistic Writer not gonna lie, that sounds true and actually scary.
"We're not a cult!" they say as they do things as a cult would do.
So he's kinda like Daddy Derek/The "Cool Cat" Creator
As a catholic, my respect for Hartman has gone down significantly. This is the most unchristian thing he has done. Christianity doesn’t include lying and conning in the bible
Isnt he like 50!? Are we funding this man's midlife crisis?! Or should I say midlife Christ-is.
David Campbell Yup,he’s 53 years old. And sadly yes we are funding his midlife crisis. And nice pun there.
Well there goes whatever human dignity Butch has left!
The depression thing really REALLY infuriates me. I am 15. I am a teenager. And that is still considered a kid. I have been super depressed. AND IT WAS NOT because I watched a scary movie. I was depressed because a tragic event happened to me and my family. My mother got cancer, and infections, and then passed away after nearly 2 years of having cancer. Butch Hartman is being disrespectful, and you are great for pointing it out, PieGuy.
And me, when I was 13 I thought to kill myself because no one loved me and I was tired from everything around me. And listening these words from Butch' mouth really break me and I feel very mad and disappointed to know this same man who created three shows that I used to enjoy in my childhood, actually is a horrible person.
At first I thought Oaxis was an alright idea, then when all of this came along it made me realize he is very manipulative and now I've lost respect for the man
As a Christian myself, this is disgusting behaviour. He lied to everyone just to get more money for his idea, knowing full well that if his audience knew about Oaxis being a religious streaming service, the majority of them wouldn't`t support it. He either should of beeen honest about in the first place or didn`t make it about religion. I wonder how he would feel if I started a streaming service, he gave me some of his money to support it and then I revealed it was designed to teach Gnostic Christian ideas and values.
lmao depression (Job) and suicide (a lot of characters more famously Judas) are in the Bible what the hell Butch. How very Christian-ly of him to hide all of this.
"mmmmh, these bible verses do not fit with my personal beliefs. BETTER HIDE IT.I'M SUCH A GOOD CHRISTIAN."
I was just telling someone that there are psalms in the Bible that describe what sounds like depression (and treating it like any other illness rather than something to be ashamed about), so people shouldn't treat mental illness as some new-fangled thing.
As an Enter fan myself, I know exactly what you're talking about. Even if I didn't know who he was, I'd still agree completely. I don't understand people who use those terms as an insult. You wouldn't hear someone say, "Oh, you're being so asthmatic right now!"
Kara O'Connor My younger sister has asthma. And hey, I'm a Mr. Enter fan too!
Isobel Miller I have Autism too. When haters attack Mr. Enter for having it makes me mad.
And also, by getting through the hardships and stuff like depression (if I am reading the word "suffering" or at least one of it's definitions right), we become stronger with God. Butch should not crap on some Christian values and ideas to put the ones that fit him on a pedestal.
The average donation was $208. I never realized how rich his fans are.
Pieguy, I know you get a lot of comments, so there's a decent chance you won't see this, but if you do, please read to the end. There are some pressing details that I think you are missing here.
First of all, I'd just like to say "I disliked Butch before it was cool." I've never defended him, and I'm not defending him now. I think he made a couple of decent shows back in the day and he's milked the hell out of his involvement in them to ride into a new era of internet fame with little effort compared to much harder working grassroots RUclips channels. Also, he clickbaits like crazy. That being said, your commentary in this video seems to misunderstand a few things.
I assume this misunderstanding stems from something of a culture shock and not intentional hyperbole, but "instilling Christian values in the youth", "including the gospel in your work", and statements like that are _very_ commonly used as buzz phrases in the conservative Christian community that essentially just mean you want to promote a positive message, encourage people to be nice to each other, convince people they have worth, promote kindness, etc. Yes, it can sound very indoctrinate-y to outside parties, but as someone who has spoken the lingo, Butch is most likely just saying he wants to promote positivity and kindness when he says those things. He's not claiming he wants to brainwash kids into reading the Bible or green light _Mr. Moose Goes to Church_ as his first series. There is a prevailing belief throughout the conservative Christian community that people can and will find their way to God if they are simply surrounded by morally virtuous messages. A _lot_ of Christians believe that their best form of witnessing is to live like upstanding and exceptionally kind people, expressing those beliefs through their works. You can actually see Butch reflecting this idea himself in one of the very time codes you linked. At 2:40 Butch mentions that his shows have always had the gospel in them. No, he wasn't bluffing, and he wasn't referencing pregnant Cosmo. Butch was drawing the Christian audience's attention to his tendency to include moral messages about responsibility, being kind to others, appreciating your friends, loving people, etc., all while using a fairly kid-friendly medium. If you asked Butch, he'd likely tell you that _The Fairly OddParents!_ and _Danny Phantom_ promote Christian values. Hell, a lot of _Christians_ would probably tell you that if asked! This might sound weird to you because of a lack of familiarity with these talking points, but among Christians, what he's saying here is quite obvious. I'm not grasping. I'm not stretching. I am like 99% sure that's what he meant. And again, not trying to defend him. I'm not a fan of his. But you're misunderstanding his point. Butch isn't trying to use Oaxis to indoctrinate children into Christianity. All he did here was say "I want to make a family friendly streaming service" in Christianese. And we've known that from the beginning.
As for the other stuff you mentioned: Yeah, 10:00 is kind of dumb. Not allowing your kids to watch a cartoon because its parent company also releases R-rated movies seems like a non-sequitur to me. The only way I could kind of see that argument working is from a stance reminiscent of "Well, if they're making R-rated horror movies, clearly they're only in it for the money and don't _really_ care about the values of your children," which is still a pretty weak stance in my opinion. 10:30 is ignorant, insensitive, and even factually inaccurate, but I don't think he was trying to "downplay science." It's more likely that he just doesn't know the science and spoke about what he honestly thinks is one of the contributing factors to it. It's still dumb, but I'd say he's more ignorant than malicious there. (Also, that's not why The Great Depression was called The Great Depression; there is more than one definition for that word). No arguments about 11:45. Butch shouldn't be tossing the word "humbled" around while riding his decade old cartoon success to RUclips fame and stream management. Your 13:45 complaint is again contingent upon misunderstanding his Christian jargon. He out and out tells you at this time stamp that he _doesn't want to do what you're afraid he's doing._ Yes, he plans on including "parables" in his work, but _again,_ if you asked him, he probably considers _Channel Chasers_ and _The Ultimate Enemy_ "parables." He _is_ intentionally trying to get non-Christians to watch his shows, but I don't really see any indication here that he's doing it because he wants to indoctrinate them. He's explaining to the Christian audience that he wants to spread these positive, virtuous messages beyond the church walls and will therefore refrain from making them overtly Christian. This isn't dangerous. The statement is supposed to get the Christian audience on his side because they tend to believe the world needs more positive, uplifting, moral messages. It's not a reassurance to them that he'll flash subliminal messages about prayer throughout each program.
Butch's streaming service is crap because it's crap. He didn't plan it out properly. There's little evidence he has the funds to complete it. No content or artists are attached to it except for Butch. The chances it can compete against RUclips, Netflix, Hulu, etc are nil. The laser focus on family friendly content limits his options for product. And it's all riding on Butch's massive ego, his overrated reputation, and his involvement in two good shows that eventually rotted into shambling corpses of their original brilliance. There is no evidence, however, that it is an undercover attempt to indoctrinate children into Christianity. Those aspects of your criticism are misinterpretations of Christian jargon, which ironically, Butch tried to clarify twice in the video you linked. It's still a bad idea. It still _could_ be a scam. But I think you're jumping the gun a little too quick on the whole "Christian conspiracy" angle. If you read this thing all the way to the end, thank you. Please try watching through TRAFON's video again with this context in mind and consider reevaluating your opinion. Contact some conservative Christians to verify my claims if you like. I have confidence they'll back up what I've said. You're on the right track, but you're waiting at the wrong station.
P.S. How churches handle LGBTQ+ issues varies from place to place. A lot of them are very accepting of the community. I have no idea if Butch is or not.
T Shroob
I appreciate that you took the time to make this comment, but I just wanted to say one thing:
You don’t think that when suicide is brought up in the dramatic, theatric, and almost romanticized way it is on 13 Reasons Why and on Social Media, it has an influence on a child/teen? That’s what Butch was talking about when he brought up suicide in the “speech” he made.
(Also, I agree, PieGuy’s usage of “The Great Depression” made me facepalm WAY too hard)
yes I agree with you, to me it doesn't seem to try to be like chick tracks (which are hilariously bad) where they are trying to indoctrinate children that Jesus is lord and all others are heathens, and this thing really does just seem like its a poorly thought out plan, but to me it doesn't seem to be malicious, like there's a cabal of hooded Christians being like, yes, now we have a crappy streaming service that probably won't happen anyways
@Dank Underwood, Thanks for thanking me for commenting. ;) Unfortunately, I don't think Pieguy read my post, otherwise we'd likely have heard something from him about this, but I can at least say I tried. Misunderstandings sure are scary.
And as to address your point, I _do_ think there is evidence that many of Hollywood's attempts to highlight suicide via productions like _13 Reasons Why_ result in momentary suicide spikes (which is certainly problematic), and there _is_ something worrying about the fact that the average child will see upwards of 8,000 murders on TV before graduating Elementary school, but ultimately I don't think there is a lot of good data supporting the idea that violent and/or scary television is a major contributing factor to the epidemic. I'm open to statistics proving me wrong, but as far as I am aware, Pieguy is correct. Children are more likely to be influenced by things like their social lives, their family, the various societal stresses they're put through, and actual disorders. Some cases of depression are literally caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain that the child and those around him/her have little to no control over. I'm not suggesting that you can't find a fringe case here or there where a kid committed suicide because they saw a horror movie or something, but those are the exception, not the rule. And Hollywood romanticizing suicide _does_ appear to cause suicide spikes, but in most cases, the people who commit suicide in response to this romanticization were already _depressed_ beforehand. The romanticization just convinced them to go through with it. Is that still a problem? Definitely. But there's just no evidence that the romanization causes depression. And there's _even less_ evidence that generally violent or scary television being watched by underage children causes depression _or suicide!_ In fact, this is _so_ off base that Butch is also patently incorrect in asserting that suicide is a big problem with _this_ generation in particular and not equally reflected by his own generation. It's true that we have seen a marginal increase in the number of suicides over the past ten years, but the current numbers are almost _perfectly_ equal with the percentage of suicides that occurred in the 1970's (Butch's childhood) and the 1950's (Butch's father's childhood). In fact, 2015 (a horrible, horrible year for suicide) was the first time in 45 years that suicide rates in America had been equal to or greater than the rates associated with Butch's childhood. But that aside, the most the rate has fluctuated _at all_ in the last 50 years is by 3 measly percentage points! If an increase in children's accessibility to violent and/or scary content has _truly_ occurred in the last 50 years and violent and/or scary content is _truly_ a major factor in child suicide, then you would expect a larger variance, and you certainly wouldn't expect 2018's suicide rates to be less than half a percent off from 1950's and 1970's suicide rates.
You have a great point, I agree!
Thank you for adding this. I'm working on my own video (which I hope I can finish) clarifying Butch's video and how PieGuy lied to start a harassment campaign. I hope he's proud of himself.
You know, the LGBT people part reminded me of Mr. Enter's Animated Atrocities on the Fairly Odd Parents Valentine's special, Love Struck, in which one of Enter's complaints regarded the scene where Cupid complains about the world being out of Valentine's love, after Timmy splits up the two genders. Enter's complaint was: "So not only is everyone of each specific gender EXACTLY the same, THEY'RE ALL STRAIGHT! Shows how closed-minded you really are." At the time, I argued with Mr. Enter, saying that this is a kids' show, and they probably didn't want to arouse controversy, hinting at homosexual themes. But now, I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Enter about that. Not to mention other kids' shows, like The Loud House, have explored homosexual themes.
Ah, that's one of my favorite Enter reviews!
But you were probably right about them wanting to avoid controversy.
Isobel Miller
To be fair, not only it was a different time, but it also wouldn't be allowed by the censors.
However, i get the feeling that Butch would have done it the exact same way even if he had the chance not to.
BILL CIPHER Yeah, that's true.
I think that was more of a case of the writers not thinking through the implications and this being 2003, where LGBT visibility and acceptance were practically in the Stone Age.
You gotta remember, that episode came out in like, 2003, when the networks were more strict about that sort of thing.
"I just need 99$ from 600 people."
He casually says
BUTCH HARTMAN BETRAYED US!!!