Vaush Gets Away w/ Wild Arguments In Israel Debate, Triggers Destiny
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- Destiny gets a brain blast during Vaush's Israel debate and Lycan jumps in to debate him...
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Date: 1 Dec, 2023
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00:00:00 Teasers / Intro
00:01:10 Destiny listens to Vaush debate clip
00:02:28 Destiny watches Vaush's Israel debate
00:06:21 Vaush believes no conflict before Nakba
00:09:46 Permission from British?
00:20:45 Destiny's summary rant
00:32:40 US and Israel tried to coup Hamas
00:36:36 Destiny needs Vaush's confidence
00:45:11 Destiny has a brain blast
00:56:04 Why doesn't Egypt open border
01:08:11 Lycan jumps in to debate Destiny
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Another way of saying 15K have died is to say 2,285,000 people have been spared. The fraction of people dead doesn't come close to 100%
Does anyone know the song that plays after the intro???
btw in the Arab countries the Jewish population has decreased by 99% since 1948
also half of the Jews in Israel are black so not really "European colonialism"
the grand muftis nephew lead some pogroms I think post 1948
"From the Agua to the Sea" is probably the funniest shit I've ever read in this comment section
Oh God I sharted
That's sooo damn funny!
Vaush being condescending and misinformed is as common place as Destiny being a woman’s name at this point.
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I feel like its gender neutral but its true ive only seen women named Destiny lol
This is facts
This is not facts lol. Yall wild
@@rekkwaffle7668 L
Lycan trying to figure out why having 50+ Arab states voting one way and a single Jewish state voting one way could potentially be an issue is painful
He's basically arguing completely in bad faith.
@@michealwilliams472 Yeah, and it's not even the intentional type, but instead the self-deception type. At least that's what I want to believe, because he is a nice guy with no malice, but he is not looking good. Destiny is being really charitable.
He's fallen into an appeal to authority fallacy. These "experts" he references, are not experts of the actual subject, and not even an "academic" by most honest academic opinions. So many on the left are misguided by these "expert" opinions. I also think that it's such an accepted political truth on the left at the moment, that people are afraid to be objective because they don't want to be "genocidal monsters".
The fact that Lycan is so persistent despite repeatedly having his "facts" shown to say otherwise, asserting source material he didn't even read or understand, gas-lighting Destiny like he is being unreasonable for not agreeing it's illegal when it hasn't been deemed illegal by an actual authority, is very hard to watch. Lycan isn't really honestly engaging with a lot of what Destiny says, he has like a circuit breaker where it trips a fuse before it can even become a cognitive dissonance situation.
Yeah seriously I don't understand. Obviously there could be an issue there. I feel like he entered in good faith but was unwilling to concede and obvious point he hasn't considered and thus switched to bad faith.
Not only that he says he doesnt care or find it interesting. He just hates jews full stop.
I like how Vaush talks down to everyone he "debates" and treats them like children, when he probably knows a lot less about the topic.
Imagine Vaush testifying in court, he'd be talking down to the lawyer the entire time and acting like he knows better then everyone else int he room
Vaush is in a league of his own. He literally makes stuff up on the spot, it's always the western world that's the bad guy, and people pay him for it. He's a very sick individual.
Narcissists who think they're better and smarter than everyone tend to do do that.
Its Aqua 😂
He has the smuggest voice I have ever listened to.
We’re getting so intellectually outpaced that to us lesser beings it appears he’s practically teleporting between talking points at supersonic speed
His opponent: _[strings together a train of logic with careful nuance and caveats]_
Vaush, who just makes up any old shit: "Look what they need to do to mimic a fraction of my power"
Average destiny fan:
Ever since Destiny first talked to that Ukrainian lady and she pointed out how annoying it is when Americans view every single foreign conflict as US-centric, I’ve started noticing (and getting annoyed at) when people throw in the American interests lines. As if two nations can’t hate each other without the US manipulating it to be that way.
Very true. Ppl also act like if only America would stay out of world affairs things would be fine. As if another country (China, Russia, Iran etc.) wouldnt just meddle for their own interests
Without the US the Ukranian war would have ended years ago. Part of why Israel is able to do what it does now is in large part due to support from the US both in terms of demonstration and actual financial support
I'm more into geopolitics so most countries conflicts are regional like India vs. Pakistan vs. China vs. Russia which all have border disputes or China vs. Taiwan especially right now seeing as how China is trying to invade a country that wants to keep democracy & not be incorporated into the Chinese Communist Party plus they've learned China's bs 'one country, two systems' promise didn't work for Hong Kong because China is notorious for saying one thing but doing the exact opposite
@@24basethat's a bold statement about Ukraine. The Russian got bogged down in Afghanistan when they were the USSR and much more powerful. The US got bogged down in both Afghanistan and Vietnam. Actually, the only major power VS insurgency war I can think that anyone has won is Russia VS Chechnya and they only managed that by buying off their strong man leader. Russia will lose in Ukraine. Whether the west helps or not. It'll just be more bloody. (I did not misspeak, more)
@@24baseif Iran stopped supporting there resistance they wouldn’t be one and how can you be pro Russia but anti Israel when they both take the same position
It's really difficult watching this sincere man go into this debate expecting a good faith discussion, he must not be aware of the kind of person Vaush is.
Never trust a socialist to make a good faith argument. Never trust one period either.
vaush made the ayn rand fan look good, that's impressively hard to do
Delusional
@@1123elemental why is it delusional?
@@patmustard1511
cause you're bad faith
Do not let this distract you from the fact that Vaush is not a girl's name.
Do you think he is into blue-haired girls?
V-oush?
It's a Mares name
No but it is the name of an angry white girl pretending to be non binary
It's a cuck name.
So I guess Vaush has no idea that Egypt and jordan occupied the Palestinian territories for 20 years and we never heard a word about Palestinian self-determination
So I guess you didn't know the guy he's debating melted down crying Palestinians don't need or deserve water 😂😂😂😂
@@Spencerwalker21you OK, dude? You seem to be mentally ill
@@jogiff so saying vaushs debate opponent said Palestinians don't deserve water makes me mentally ill 😂😂😂
Ummm yes...their was always protests.
@@Spencerwalker21 great so both of them are idiots just because he debated someone who is wrong doesn't make him right but I guess that is to much to expect from a Vaush fan to know that two things can be wrong at the same time
I don't know if you read this, Destiny, but here's a piece of device:
the one BIG significant of the Benet-Lapid coalition of 2022, besides being a coalition of both left-leaning and right-leaning parties, is that it was the first israeli government that had an arab-israeli party in the coalition: Raam, led by Mansour Abas.
Most of the changes, permits and improvements to the west bank and Gaza strip were led by the one arab representative that said "screw it, I'm gonna do business with Israel and get something done for my people".
Love this
If u go back in time to the british mandate, a lot of arabs thought the same way. It was a group led by a nazi mufti that changed that: he declared ilegal to trade and sell land to jews, demanded the assassination of jews and most people his group assassinated was moderate arabs who had no problems in coexisting with jews.
This is a very important detail as this is when jews started organizing in militias to defend themselves from massacres, and from this is where the more violent/ extreme faction is bourn.
He just gave an interview for CNN condemning Hamas and the arab states supporting it
and those arabs he got permits for used it to help hamas planned the attack
@@puraLusa When was this, and what was his name? I would really like to read up on that
vaush has literally ZERO information about the conflict at all aside from twitter clips, and here he is, trying to have a debate on geopolitics with someone far more informed, hoping his flat affect and optics can win. glad steve hasnt covered him in a while, and i hope it stays that way. (edited for grammar)
You didn't watch the debate vaush made a bad point there but the entire debate was the other guy being misinformed then at the end grinning and smirking while saying why do Palestinians deserve water 😂😂😂😂. But you're a destiny fan so cry you can't word or something.
@@Spencerwalker21 what
@@phish__food he tried to speak, u gotta give it to him.
@@Spencerwalker21absolutely schizophrenic
Vaush is arrogant. he doesn't reserarch and just goes in blind.
On what like deserving water.
@@Spencerwalker21ur comment makes no sense although we can infer what u mean. Still a completely irrelevant point.
I agree. What a nitwit
@@maxhatush5918 it does if you watched the debate 😂😂😂😂
@@MultiAppleworm who the guy saying people don't deserve water or the guy saying people deserve water
The worst thing with Vaush is when he decided to stop studying for debates to prove how easy it is to debate misinfo without preparation. Too much confidence.
How do you debate misinfo with no info?
@@ABUBBA22confidence
@@ABUBBA22 By making up different shit. Obviously if you think someone is "spreading misinformation" and you just say the opposite of whatever they say, then whatever you say must be true since it is the opposite of something that is false. (Probably unironically his logic)
@@ABUBBA22that’s the fun part, you can’t
In 2006 during the Karni crossing closure, Gazans lost around 500k a day of damaged produce, and they still were exporting tons of shit.
This whole “they don’t control anything, they can’t do anything for themselves” line is so infantilizing
Vaush "prepare for armed revolution" Kochinski *_absolutely_* believes in might makes right, just so long as it's his team with the bigger stick
Dude literally whipped out MSPaint and scribbled randomly to summarize his point about the ongoing conflict between Israel and neighboring Arab states rather than doing it on a downloaded image of the middle east map had me dying.
Most people aren't aware of the history. I would even say Destiny has still missing pieces. But the difference between Destiny and Vaush is like day and night. Destiny knows actually the history of Israel and Palestine.
I love that he skips over any Palestinian violence and uses the most extreme framing for Israel
the most extreme palistinian violence is factually and objectionable less extreme than the most extreme israli violence lol. how do you not understand that. your just saying israli aren't terrorist so they can commit acts of terrorism lol
Probably because Israel is a government and Palestinians are a persecuted minority.
Do you also get mad during discussion of police violence when people don't talk about black crime enough?
@@deandredunbar9618violence isn’t just number of casualties in a war. That isn’t extreme violence that is just usually the case in wars- the losing side is inflicted much more casualties.
@@deandredunbar9618 yeah no, heard from one of the survivors of the 7th of October massacre that hamas terrorists raped a young woman, killed her, and then left kn¡fe in her private parts.... didn't hear about things like that since the holocaust.
@@orenkassner2510so if you kill one million people with jets instead of kalashnikovs, that makes it okay?
I personally think it's kinda wild that the same people that were calling literally anyone a Nazi or an antisemite for even the most milquetoast jokes are now characterizing Israel as some kind of literal Mordor like entity that only exists to exterminate Palestinians. They might as well be posting happy merchant memes at this point.
God, and I love Voosh getting triggered by the guy saying 'Islamic view of violence' when Vawsh is the exact kind of mf to claim that Christianity is inherently violent with the crusades as his reference.
I think it's kind of wild that you conflate criticizing a state is the same as promoting hatred for a people.
@@donjowansafadi8739 except he evidently is denying the hatred for a people, which is in effect normalizing it.
The far left like Vaush and Hasan have always been the antisemites . They were never once on the side of the Jews they just called and accused the other side for the things they are in fact doing. They just doing it openly now because they feel like they in the right and everyone else agrees with them and if you don't you are still some how the v racist antisemitic bigot.
If you think *that’s* ironic wait til you hear what the Jews are doing to another ethnic group after having been put through a holoc*ust in WW2!
Remember when the left was burning cities down, and everyone was still acting like it's the right that's extreme, and normal people were trying to tell you that the left is actually much more like Nazis than anyone they accuse of being a Nazi? Yea. This is why.
Has Vaush never heard of the Hebron massacre in 1929? Aprox 68 Jews were brutally murdered by Palestinian Arabs and some were raped, mutilated and tortured by them. This is before Israel was a state.
Right!? So lets put a Jewish state on occupied land that's surrounded by a bunch or people that doesn't like them. That makes sense....if you shove your head up your own @$$ and don't think about it.
Then lets fund this state by sending BILLIONS of American tax dollars to it annually. Along with BILLIONS in military aid and equipment.
The formation of Israel was stupid.
@@jacoblee5796Shhhh... They're destiny fans... They're debatebrained and hate humanitarianism
@@DynamoLynx Don't miss understand me, i don't support Israel or Palestine. I'm tired of my tax dollars funding Israel's occupation of the area, if Israel can't support it's self i don't see how that's America's problem.
I would maybe look at Israel different if they didn't steal land that wasn't theirs.
“I don’t think I’m doing a good job of making my point.” No shit. His last UN example was just making Destiny’s point
Used to be a big Vaush fan, couldn't take his rapid decline into extremism anymore. I'm glad Destiny has consistently managed to keep being himself and authentic
He’s always been an extremist. At times mask-on hiding it.
Under the name Irish Laddie he spoke for the murder of conservatives and landlords. So, fuck him.
@Anaught-tbrk08 The fortress arc killed it for me. Just the entire concept... ugh.
Vaush's ability and rhetoric have aged badly.
@@Anaught-tbrk08yeah, that's like... What they said dude... Are you trying to use "used to be a vaush fan" against them like it's a massive own?
Vaush was always an extremist so idk what your breaking point was, he has always been an "anarcho-communist" which has always just been subterfuge for excusing tankies in Vaush's case.
Same, i was a Vaush fan back when he had the superior side-angle to his stream setup.
Learned a bit, loved watching the stream vod from when he played trough CupHead and Resident Evil Village.
He had some solid life advice as well, and also some good takes on Destiny and his behavior.
But as you said, he became more extreme, "I see nazi's everywhere" etc.
And his refusal to debate right leaning people to make viewers want to shift their stance on things etc. (Which Destiny excell at now).
Not wanting to have genuine conversations to reach new conclusions etc, especially anything related to the trans women in sports etc. (As they are a big part of his audience i believe).
Vaush was always a cookie cutter far left person, no interest in steering right leaning people in his direction, only wage societal unrest with his rants on "them vs us" mentality, including buying guns in case things go bad.
I think Vaush also plays into his autism spectrum disorder, so people give him an easier time is my feeling of it.
And i think Steven does this with him too, it's like some infantilization of "Oh Vaush you silly lad".
I don't think I can sit through this cringe fest by this person for 5 minutes, he's so clueless it's painful. How do people who clearly know nothing about this conflict have the confidence to debate it online? I just don't get it.
Being Israeli this time is so painful geez, aside from the war and existential threat itself we somehow find these mobs of OBSSESSED idiots over our relatively tiny conflict just found a hobby and talk so confidently such complete nonsense about places and cultures and motivations they're absolutely clueless about is about as agitating as getting rockets launched at you
bros gonna farm likes from both sides lmao
Do you think that people that have no real understanding of geo-politics should be allowed a platform to mislead people which leads to these useful idiots marching on the streets?
@@ThermalSpacelegit he knew what he was doing 😭😭😭😭
Im convinced this community is filled with 0 iq dipshits masquerading as intellectuals and I completely blame destiny. You can hate vaush more than anything, it does not change the fact he is absolutely correct both morally and materially. Its unfortunate but if this many ghouls inhabit this space, ill leave yall to race to the bottom.
"The Palestinians are doing nothing to the Israelis." just wow.
I’m only like 5 minutes in and this is unlistenable. Vaush has no idea what he’s talking about, yet is condescending & throwing out extreme terms like “ethnic cleansing.” It’s genuinely insulting to the person who’s trying to debate in good faith. I guess Vaush just reads off his chat & hopes they tell him the right info, but it’s so embarrassing.
“Extreme terms like ethnic cleansing” - cuts to literally every global independent org, the U.N, AND israeli leadership acknowledging that this is ethnic cleansing. Your ilk are evil and history will remember your justifications for genocide. This not debatable just bc your favorite edgelord streamer is stuck in his contrarian arc
Deffinately palestinians arent being disppaced and thier land being reduced.
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Considering most of his research on a wide array of political topics (including even the conclooooooosions) was done by other guy (Rosewrist), not surprising he just blindly copies his chat. He will have no remorse about it either. My side good, their side bad, no matter the action.
I haven't watched it bc destiny's fascism and vaush's arrogance put too much strain on my nervous system, but ethnic cleansing is just a precise description in regards to the zionist project, I mean the early zionists even wrote about it openly, there are unclassified documents from '48 that show without the shadow of a doubt that the displacement of arabs was intentional and meticulously planned (with pogroms, terrorism, etc)
All you have to do is use extremist buzzwords, and you win. It's wild that people ethnic cleansing us what is happening at all. But, it sounds damning for the side he doesn't like, so he says it. I'm just waiting for them to label Israel Jews as nazis for the ultimate irony.
Vaush should debate hasan
Debate pedophile vs actual pedophile
i guess this is why yall like israel so much.. Yall are shameless liars just like them
@@Anaught-tbrk08LMAO
There was no ethnic cleansing of Arabs in Israel during the Nakba.
Israel acted in self-defense against those who tried to exterminate the Jews.
They generally didn't bother Arabs who were peaceful.
Vaush unironically looks exactly like you'd imagine a far left uninformed (yet equally self-assured) mouthpiece to look like. It's remarkable.
He's like the James Somerton of the Israel Palestine conflict
If you're an Israeli jew who is able to listen to Vaush's takes on the conflict these days I both admire you and resent you.
I used to just skip any content he made about Israel/Palestine but now it's so much worse. My god.
The anti Israel side of leftism is purely about anti white racism, it's really that simple. Brown people are always good, and white people are always bad, that's the mentality of a leftist.
Lol the delusional ones re Destiny Fans.u re the the genocide killer who steals land . I mean jeez u stole America and Australia and butchered their indigenous peoples and now want to do the same in ME .Well guss what it’s not gonna happen !!
Ps :the majority of Israel supporter are white western against the whole word .
So it just another colonist against resistance chapter.
check the story at The Sunday Times first page of Dec 3rd to understand what they did to our woman. People don't talk about that so you think we are bothered with this kind of lunatics?
@@ih719 IDF put no video and no evidence.they did not even let the released hostage from Hamas to talk to the media .if Hamas are Monsters why not let the victims tell the story unless u re a lier and afraid from the truth .In the other hand Gaza journalists being targeted and killed systematically and their pages on FB and other platforms being shut down.
Bro u re the bad guys/colonist in the eyes of the world no matter how much media cover and propaganda.
Continue to do so and the whole word will see your naked truth as killer and land Stealer .
GG !!
Vaush is a complete hack. I had been coming to this conclusion more and more assuredly. When he was a polite little cuck in person with Destiny and Emma from MR, I was getting pretty bad vibes. Watching him be incapable of making a single sentence without cheap normative loading via misappropriation of terms like genocide and Apartheid, shows how little Vaush cares about any of these things. Vaush is fake AF. It's all cheap rhetorical tactics devoid of substance and knowledge. This shouldn't be surprising, and just look at his favorite, the coconut Island.
Vaush's takes on this conflict was godawful. I sometimes I like what he says, but a lot of what he says comes off as "anything Hamas does is justified, because Israel is bad." And how fucking wild that at one point he said, "Gaza is getting armed support of Arab neighbors." All that was were terrorist groups, like Hezbollah and the Houthis, throwing missiles at Israel to antagonize them. The official military of Lebonon and Yemen did not enter the conflict. For someone who loves calling people Nazis, he has no problem basically saying Jews are the problem
the genocide argument is ridiculous. not a single genocide in history has resulted in the growth of a population.
I love how pro Palestinians constantly talk about the Nakba not realizing the Arab Palestinians were also the aggressors in that conflict. They picked a fight and lost... sorry.
Also the term Nakba was originally used to describe the failure of the Arabs to destroy the Jewish state, not the displacement of the Arabs.
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"in whole or in part" doesn't mean if you kill some people then it is genocide. I'm almost certain that phrase in the definition indicates that genocide must be the intent and whether it is successful is irrelevant.
I'm not convinced on intent to commit genocide for this reason...Another way of saying 15K have died is to say 2,285,000 people have been spared. I think that that alone proves the case that they are NOT bombing indiscriminately.
Israel is definatelly over bombing - its to pressure hamas into surrender (doesn't work), and it's to instill fear in gazans: cause average gazan is anti-jew (indoctrination) so israel goes by the theory: people who don't know respect can be managed by fear. In that instance, it's a clear abuse of power.
Yeah the argument is seriously braindead. Just look at the numbers and it’s immediately obvious that this not a genocide. These people will paint israel as this extremely militarily advanced nation with overwhelming forces, but then turn around and claim that 15000 deaths in a month is ‘indiscriminate bombing with intent to genocide’. It literally makes no sense, and I must assume anyone making these claims to be stupid.
actual indiscriminate bombing is actually done by ground troops (tanks and cannons ) not by air bombing because in Israel most of the air ammunition is smart and expensive unlike the cannons
@adididavidi6185 another way of saying that Gaza has 2 ,300, 000 people and 2, 285 , 000 are alive because they are not indiscriminately bombing is the accurate way to look at it.
@adididavidi6185 they dropped 6000 bombs by oct13 and it is now Dec. The death toll is 15k... that's less than 3.5 ppl/bomb if they stopped dropping them then. So the ratio is even lower.
Vaush is basically just talking completely out of his ass.
Just a day that ends in Y for the debate-zoophile.
Yet he’s objectively correct.
@@Runthemjewelswhat? Did you even watched the video. Destiny proved everything he said was false
@@Runthemjewelson what single thing was he objectively correct on?
Every socialist that's ever talked about anything was talking out of their ass.
So lycan literally proved destinys point that un resolutions dont do anything legality wise with the example he brought up at the end that was adopted and consistently passed, but nothing happens because its just the UN saying "you guys should fix your shit".
I wish Lycan would just be honest and say he hates Israel. I’d have more respect for him
Bro I swear he wasn't always this bad. WTF happened?
Maybe he doesn't hate Israel and instead just has more sympathy for the Palestinian people.
He hates jews. He doesnt care by his admission to understand the issues with arab countries that blame israel for everything
lol, if you saw todays content you'd have to have that room temp iq to assume that @@garrymiller3171
I forgot Vaush existed
I forgot you don't deserved water!
"50 billion things that don't make sense." Vaush, in a nutshell.
Thank you so much for doing that. I’m an Israeli women, the amount of bs going on the internet is beyond insane… Again thank you 🙏 We Israelis are bad with debates on social media so what you are doing is amazing
You’ve been treated unfairly in debates since the Barcelona disputation in 1263
I'm Israeli too. Online discourse now is soooo painful.
את אשה ישראלית וקוראים לך עומר בנדר?
@@SilverMoon459is your name literally silver moon 459? What, is that Bulgarian or something?
Its not tht isrealis are bad in debates. It is just tht it is hard to defend a country and govt tht murders children, women, the old and sick. Isreal Commits ethnic cleansing and genocide. Thts hard to defend in debates.
Why does every streamer NEED to be right about everything.....even things they don't know about lol
yes destiny needs help
You don’t need to know the facts about the topic you’re discussing if you have already come up with a good concloosion
@@msan1206 almost every debate bro streamer is like this to be fair lol
@@msan1206guess you missed the 10 hour research streams into this topic? Yeah destiny is the one who knows nothing.
Leftism is a mental disorder.
8:18 Vaush-"They clearly know I'm full of shit, time for aggressive chap-stick"
Waiting for that turtle to make some stupid comment
I started watching this debate and couldn’t finish it. Vaush was so insanely wrong basic facts, yet so confident, I was wondering if Vaush was just being handed responses from Hasan. Thank you for the reaction because this absolutely needed to be called out.
Lol what basic facts? I’m waiting your answer to debate ? If u don’t answer me u re just lier
@@heretolearn107 come on…it’s 2023. Bots are way above this level at this point. You need to do better with your bottery
@@joesteel3459Bro give me the wrong facts if u don’t answer me than again u re lier .
@@blubirdhill2608he’s just asking a question of his particular comment. Which is true if you’re going to call something bullshit then say why in the comment otherwise that comment is useless in the first place.
A lot of Vaush takes are basically this. His ability to be confident even when totally wrong dupes people into trusting him or thinking that he’s right
Vaush is the perfect example of somebody who tries harder to look smart than he does actually investigate things and learn things to become smart.. does a long sigh then takes long pause to inspect glasses..
It's so annoying how Lycan ignored the key word in the UN thing. Paraphrasing a little bit "The UN general body *SETTLES* legal issues presented to it by states..." it's called arbitration, it's not a court. Both parties agree that they will submit the issue to an arbitrator and agree to abide by the decision of that arbitrator, which is made in accordance with laws (technically an arbitrator doesn't have to follow laws, but they say they do so whatever), that doesn't mean that literally anything the UN has previously said about a specific issue will even be taken into consideration.
The British tried their hardest to stop this happening, to the point they stopped boats full of Jewish people and put them into concentration camps, the same camps used by the nasties, not with the same conditions. They lost over five hundred soldiers trying to stop it. This after having to fight the Second World War and would have continued if they just not had enough of fighting.
You guys remember when Destiny used to be an intellectual instead of a shill for Israel? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
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5:36 I confess, I am Israeli, but by god stating that many inaccuracies in such a confidant tone is pretty unbelievable.
No matter how much of a troll you think you are, you'll never troll harder than a British Mandate. 🇬🇧
Vaush🤝Hasan
(Being complete rеtаrds on this conflict and spreading misinformation to their massive audiences)
In 1948, Israel declared its independence, meaning that by the accepted legal principle of Uti Possidetis Juris, the new state inherited the same borders as British Mandatory Palestine, which came before it. Importantly, Palestine did not declare statehood when Israel did. Rather, they handed their fate to invading armies drawn from surrounding Arab states. If the Palestinians had declared independence, then the two forces would have most likely fought for the power to govern the new state with borders set by the mandate. However, that legal fight for governance never occurred. Therefore, the rule of international law that is used to determine the borders of all new countries, Israel is the only successor entity to the mandate.
How many shekels have they payed you huh
HOLY shit. I had hung out with the guy Vaush is debating once. On a house boat in Amsterdam back in 2017.
Hot
What was he like?
@@thedukeofchutney468 friendly and passionate guy. Very opinionated, but not in a bad way. I was dating this Danish girl who was in Students For Liberty, who was friends with a Dutch girl who was in SFL, who in turn was friends with this guy. We went to the Dutch girl's house boat, and he showed up later. It was an evening of just discussing ideas and hanging out.
A few months earlier I went on a date with a friend of the Dutch girl. And through coincidence, I found out that they were friends with each other. We took a pic together and sent her it without context.
I already felt like it was a strange evening of coincidences, and now it feels only stranger.
@@seaofseeof He sounds kinda like the opposite of Vaush. Social and political opinions aside Vaush always comes off like an unhappy jerk.
@@thedukeofchutney468 not sure where you're from. But Americans are a lot more aggressive and divided politically than the Dutch are. Now, we're slowly turning into Americans too, in that regard, especially since the lockdowns ended. But it's always been much easier for the Dutch to have political disaagreements than Americans are. So I think there's also just a greater natural inclination for the guy to come into this discussion calmly and in good faith.
Vaush is the Eren Jaeger to Destiny's Armin
Destiny is actually Mikasa
Breadtube is a story about Destiny from Vaush's POV, narrated by Hasan
@@SIXZRN Destiny - A Story of Breadtube
Not really. Eren did what he did because they were trying to actively genocide his people. Vaush effectively supports the Marleans. There is no Eren in this conflict.
@@ArphemiusBut do the children getting crushed by the Rumbling condemn the attack on Paradies?
A debate on this between Destiny and Vaush would be such a wonderful dumpster fire of content, it’ll never happen though
From During 2014-2016, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) published a monthly magazine called Dabiq. This is part from the 15th issue….
“We hate you for invading our lands and fight you to repel you and drive you out. As long as there is an inch of territory left for us to reclaim, jihad will continue to be a personal obligation on every single Muslim.
What’s important to understand here is that although some might argue that your foreign policies are the extent of what drives our hatred, this particular reason for hating you is secondary, hence the reason we addressed it at the end of the above list. The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam. Even if you were to pay jizyah and live under the authority of Islam in humiliation, we would continue to hate you.”
It’s worth reading, the whole article.
I knew what I was getting myself into yet, it still shook me a bit.
please look into the water situation! there is so much misinformation here. I think the three major sources of water in the region are the two aquifers and the Jordan river... The coastal aquifer is beneath gaza and they have wells and desalination plants. The key facts are they need fuel to make drinkable water and they need things like pipes (I think close to half of the water in gaza is non revenue water so it doesn't reach its destination)...
I wish destiny and lycan would finally reach the point of recognizing that 'international law' is more like a negotiated contract than criminal law that a state might enforce internally. As such a lot more is up for negotiation and compromise and less is up for strict adjudication and under this idea that something is 'illegal' or 'legal' means very little unless it's being used as a justification for anotjer state to do something and that state CAN do that thing.
Great job editing so I know precisely when to stop watching the moment Lycan joins
i miss when journalism was about integrity, but you give me hope
Ignorance, smugness, laziness and a total disregard for truth are all Vaush has these days. It's sad, really. No wonder his channel is dying.
You don't deserve water
His closed fortress arc is more to blame, meanwhile D man is on the whatever podcast.
Vaush: From Beverly Hills
I really shouldn't watch these videos... I feel like I just want to give up discussing the topic because it REALLY seems the majority supporting Palestine are doing so in bad faith.
I remember being a Vaush fan back in like 2020, and used to think he got so much unfair criticism.
Now it's so bizzare seeing him live up to all that "unfair" criticism. It's like he's become the bad caricature of himself that people made him out to be.
Welcome to the light side my friend. We welcome all dark side refugees here.
This genuinely made me smile. I'm sure we still disagree on a lot of stuff, but the fact that you disavow Vaush as a former fan gives me hope for humanity.
I feel the same way about many of those who criticized the ADL and other Jewish organizations for being too thin skinned. I used to think they had a point but nowadays, so many of them have just went full mask off that it's not even funny. Notice Vaush doesn't even differentiate between Jews and Israelis.
@@politefan8141I disagree with vaush here but I’ve seen him differentiate and I think earlier in the video it sounded worse than what he meant
vaush proving once again he's a caligula level character
1:07:32 the Palestinians aren’t doing anything to the Israelis that is a wild declaration. Wild.
Based jihadi freedom fighter vowsh
Is vaush actually mentally challenged? Because I’m wondering lol
When you said "Nakba out of nowhere" I instantly went too "OH MY GOD AND IT'S NAKBA WITH THE STEEL CHAIR" and I couldn't stop laughing.
I guess Vaush thinks Hamas is anarcho-Islamist.
Thats a possible ideology
@@endloesung_der_braunen_frage Except Hamas explicitly calls for an Islamic state.
@@redcommander27 they would still be anti state Actors who fight an oppressive Isrealy folkish goverment
I thought Vaush was a little smarter than this. These takes are beyond brain dead.
"What Islamic type violence.?"
Was that a serious question?
2 things:
1. Something I don’t really hear pushed back on (except from the Native American TikToker “ryanknowsthings”) is how the Palestinians are NOT indigenous to the region - NONE of the Arab lineages are. THEY were the first colonizers in that region, while the Jewish ethnogenesis occurred in that land. When someone takes the side of the Islamists, the Sunni, the Jihadists, Hamas, or any other Arabic groups trying to reestablish a caliphate / Islamic State, they are taking the side of history’s most prolific and successful colonizers. The Muslims did it before any of the Whites, and they were better at it.
2. In your discussion w/ Lycan at the end, am I correct in my own takeaway that, while personal and even somewhat formal deliberations on legality can be very well informed and even have great sway, in the case of something so specifically contentious and spurious as War Crimes, THE authoritative body in charge of deliberating on War Crimes should be the voice we wait on hearing from rather than preemptively setting our own conclusions in stone? Like, is the reason why you are so belligerently reluctant to say Israel DID do a war crime specifically because War Crimes (hence your analogy of Felonies) are so serious that you consider waiting on THE authoritative voice the most ethical/safe position to take?
Vaush: "there was no violence (ethnic cleansing) before Nakba.
Destiny: "what are you talking about before Nakba they use to have verbal arguments all the time."
The shortest verse in the equestrian appreciation Bible. "Tacoma wept."
Fun Fact: The British were not pro Arab or pro Jew. They were pro British.
Their interests lied in the oil resources in the region as well as the Suez Canal, which were all in Arab lands (Israel has no oil) so the British, while they embargoed Israel in the 1948 war, they actually supplied arms, training and support to Egypt and Jordan. British interest were closer to Arab interests in 1948.
Fun Fact #2: Israel is systemically oppressed at the UN, denied it's rights as a full member state.
The UN works by assigning different countries from regional groups to represent said groups in different commissions, committees and councils. Israel geographically should be in the Asia regional group but Arab and Muslim countries blocked it from joining. Mind you, even BOTH North and South Korea are in this regional group, as well as India and Pakistan. The blocking of Israel from this regional group means that Israel is the sole UN Member State IN THE WORLD that is not in an official regional group, even though as a block the US allowed Israel into the US/Europe group, but Israel still cannot represent the US/Europe regional group in UN Councils.
This makes Israel INELLIGABLE for the UN Human Rights Council, UN Security Council, and any other multinational Councils the UN May have. So far, Israel is the only country in UN history to have this happen to it. This means UN Human Right Councils full of totalitarian dictatorships can make rulings on Israel while Israel has no recourse to defend itself at these bodies. Blatant anti-Jewish racism and systemic oppression.
When Vaush calls himself a Libertarian, remember that he has a positive conception of liberty. He's not being dishonest (this time), he just defines liberty differently than is common in liberal societies.
And to be fair, positive libertarians have existed longer than the negative libertarians common today.
44:26 while it is a big stretch to confirm what she claims in the article, Netanyahu in fact did not retaliate when incendiary balloons burnt fields and agricultural, and did not respond to rockets being shot at southern Israel. Netanyahu only went into conflicts when forced, mostly when Hamas did something so abhorrent that the general public could not overlook it.
The lycan brainrot is actually wild. This truly did break his brain 💀💀💀
His entire argument seems to be "Destiny you don't accept arguments from authority?"
Right at the end - there's a whole generation of people who grew up on these "The UN Doesn't Do Anything" memes. It was never that; fundamental misunderstanding of how the UN works.
people always jump into destiny chat so hot like they're gonna drop some knowledge
I can’t believe I was a fan of Vaush
From my understanding, Destiny and Lycan both misinterpreted that quote about the UN. The UN doesn't make judgements about legality or anything like that, that quote was describing that the UN can be used as a dispute resolution platform by conflicting states if they both agree to it. Both states have to agree to follow the UN ruling, they both have to choose to go to the UN for this, and it's just dispute resolution, not a legal ruling. For example, if Russia and Ukraine underwent this, the UN ruling might be that Russia should give back annexed territory and both states should agree to a peace plan, but the UN couldn't actually rule that the annexation was illegal, and it can't actually force either state to agree to a peace plan.
In relation to Israel and Palestine, this is completely irrelevant because Palestine isn't a UN member state, and Israel would never agree to have the UN be the overseeing body in a dispute resolution process. The Oslo Accords were facilitated by Norway and the US, not the UN, because of these reasons. The UN can only make rulings where it is invited to do so by the involved states, and they are not legal rulings.
Vaush is the king of bad faith arguments.
why does he have to say "genocide" every 45 seconds
Destiny still obsessed with Vaush 😂
Im still trying to figure out how people dislike racism and yet are ok with a Jewish state
The one thing that’s always concretely dissuaded me from accepting or siding with the far left is the bastardizing and dissolving of language that only serves their interests. Like slowly broadening terms that are associated with the literal worst acts on Earth to get moderates to feel more emboldened to see anyone center or right of center as being as close to a nazi racist as possible. It’s actually very akin to what nazis did ironically. They went on massive campaigns to warp more nuanced language to turn it into something where common folk has no choice but to see the enemy as a direct moral threat to their prosperity.
Yes this happens on the far right too. But it’s far worse right now with leftists.
"Somehow, Palpatine returned." Based cultured woman Destiny.
Vaush and Hasán both preening on camera drives me nuts
I’m glad Destiny is covering this I was cringing so hard during this debate and the amount of lies Vaush got away with. I haven’t heard someone get away with this much ahistorical bullshit in a debate ever. I mean when he starts the debate he says the conflict started in 1948 like nothing ever happened before than and it’s like a video game that just starts at 1948 😂. What a mess. The comments under the video were funny too they were all slamming this Dutch guy and praising Vaush’s “next level debate skills”
what happened before 1948 that makes Israel look good?
@@djwestbrook36 : Umm Arab aggression, being surprise attacked on each side by Arab nations because they didn’t like the treaty everyone agreed to and thought they would instead steal Israel’s land militarily instead in a joint effort to expel Israeli’s from their land. Also a year prior the world and the United States accepted Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people (1947). The land Israel got and built up was mostly unagricultered land and whilst everyone agreed that it was fair the Arab nations still all did a unified attack on Israel where Israel through conquest gained more land. They actually gave the Palestinians Gaza back in hopes of a reconciliation of peace but Palestine didn’t live up to their end of the bargain.
Why even watch Vaush?
@@PosthumousAddress : Same reason I watch Hasan from time to time. The lol cow phenomenon where the shock value of what kind of stupid shit they will profoundly proclaim next is kind of entertaining tbh. Especially in Hasan’s case he makes his stupidity so performative.
That is what I mean. A lot of history is being ignored and to understand solutions, you need the full story.
By only referencing it from 48 onward it sounds like Jews did a D-Day and landed on the beaches with all guns blazing. That is not what happened at all. Btw I used to believe that in the 70s till I read more.
The immediate conclooder strikes again. What a gigachad
Why am I awake
Question: the end of this debate is this guy asking why Israel owes water to Palestinians but destiny doesn’t get to that point. Anyone know what his general take on that is?
I couldn't watch this Vaush is so uninformed that the guy he is debating is trying to understand why Vaush reposes are insane, not realizing that he is talking to a fool.
It's easy for people to say they have no right to be there they should leave. Bare in mind vaush lives in America and is about as native american as Elizabeth Warren.
I suppose vaush should be removed by force from his home in that case or at the very least stop talking out of his arse.
Are you saying we should give land to Navite Americans and move somewhere? Or we could all live in this land secular one state equal rights for all
Girl with severe personality disorders: "Hello"
Destiny: " 45:18 "
Lmao
from the agua to the sea
LMAO
You should sell that doodle as an NFT lol
At least Vaush manages to arrive at the correct position of genocide is bad and we shouldn't be doing it. Destiny can't even get that part right.
He does know that genocide is bad, he just disagrees that it is a genocide
@@senatordodo4240 I'm not convinced that he does. He doesn't seem to have any empathy for anyone.
@@Yoursoulismine814 seems just like a bad faith interpretation of Destiny lmao, idk where you get your idea of him from
Destiny is wrong to dismiss Tal Schneider like that, she's a respectable journalist that knows what shes talking about. Wikipedia is not a good enough source to debunk her, it doesnt provide enough context. Israel did not retaliate seriousely to the incendiary baloons, or the rockets on the south. th3y bombed a couple of dunes and not much more every time it happened, almost as a formality. the response was never as serious as when the rockets targetet Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. And this is a left wing perspective that would like to see a unified PLO leadership in Gaza and the West Bank to be able to deal with and maybe negotiate peace. Bibi knew that as long as their leadership was divided no international pressure would fall on him to negotiate a peace deal. the smugness with which he dismisses her is not unlike Vaush when he ignorantly talks about this conflict. By the way as opposed to his take on this his historical summary was actually pretty accurate