I agree i have a 2024 with the upgraded sachs dampers and it feels quick. I can easily break the rear loose in second gear around town. Its so easy to get it sideways at low speeds that is the point of this car not for straight line power. Makes a trip to the grocery store or work or autocoss.have giggles. Epic machine really happy with it. Just wish it had more color options.
I had a 2022 GR86, and just recently traded it for a 2024 BRZ with a manual transmission. The GR86 was better logoed, which makes a difference in collectability, but I like some of the subtle differences on the BRZ better. I love them both, but would have kept my GR86 if it was a manual.
I had a m235i with auto 8 speed. It was epic for straight line power off the line launches and high speed runs. I have the 86 now and it is more exciting around town in manual. Its fast enough to have shenanigans. The weight does make a difference in feeling and cornering between the two cars. The weight will not be 2700 with the hybrid. It will be at least 3200 which will be a different handing machine. As the 86 stands now its last of its kind. Should have just used gaskets instead of rtv and auto rev match for winter boot driving conditions. be absolutely perfect
Car guys: we want more power Car guys : why are cars so expensive… GUYS GUYS.. mark my words… when this new gen comes out, there won’t be any “affordable” sports car.. because YOUUU got greedy and wanted more power. 86 current current platform is great. It comes it an affordable price and has adequate power for enjoyment while driving amazing. You have the choice to add more power aftermarket.. which is its beauty.
they could literally just offer a turbo option as a higher trim model with less production and it would be enough to make people happy especially since they have the 3cyl in multiple cars it probably wouldn't add that much more cost for production?
@@zak_king16 It would add more cost then you think. They'd have to engineer the engine and powertrain to be able to handle the power from the turbo model, and there's no way they'd have two separate engines for the car. That would be way too expensive to justify. So they'd have to reinforce the engine, then you're talking the transmission, and then it will need grippier tires. And all of that is going to add more weight to the front end, so to keep the balance, they'd have to add weight to the rear and at that point you end up with basically a Nissan Z or Supra. I think it's better to keep it as a tuner special. Keep it lightweight and affordable so people can mod it the way they want.
@@BRZguythey already competitively race the gr86 with the 3cyl engine in the car cause they blew up I believe 3 fa24s in a short span and ditched it so the RnD is already done they would just need to commit to it?
@@zak_king16 No they only use the 3 cylinder engine in japan for testing alternative fuels. The rest of the racing series is with the FA24. Plus it's not guaranteed reliability for street use. On the track it's fine because track cars get rebuilt all the time. But there would be more R&D involved aside from just throwing a different engine in. Plus factoring in the cost increase too.
I am so glad that I bought my 2024 BRZ when I did. I really love my car. The rarity of BRZ’s in my home state (Massachusetts); makes me love it that much more. It’s the most fun vehicle that I have owned in 40 years. Keeping in mainly OEM+ with no major mods; it will likely hold its value very well.
I may be in the minority, but I'm kinda glad I got my GR86 when they are still naturally aspirated. The power delivery is nice and linear in the second gens and it just loves to be revved. Supercharging seems like the better way of adding forced induction without ruining the behavior, but Toyota is never going to do that. In fact, I've heard some people who have upgraded from the HKS Supercharger to the HKS Turbo kit have a bit of buyer's remorse as it negatively impacts the car's personality despite adding more power.
Sad to see you're just buy into social media misinformation. This generation WRX is not watered down at all. It's a better driving vehicle by far, faster, more reliable, and far easier to track. It's really disappointing to me when people equate looks to performance. If you are seriously criticizing the VB's performance, you really know nothing about them in the first place.
@@KeltonKozlowski Lol what? The wrx still sells 80% manual model wrx’s? What are you talking about cvts for? The cvt was introduced in the va not the vb. Cutting the sti has nothing to do with the wrx. You can complain about the sti being axed, has NOTHING to do with the wrx being watered down. Lets compare apples to apples here. Are you talking about the 3hp difference? Again you know nothing about the cars themselves. The torque dip in the va is gone, the tuning potential is far higher, with the 2.4L compared to the 2.0L.
@@BigDaddyMarshal fr, its sad to see people judging the car based of a couple photos and social media sentiment instead of actually researching the car. I was one of those haters until I actually sat in one. Its a completely better car compared to the VA. Unfortunately people only pay attention to stat sheets these days
Always the same, not enough power. These guys do not understand a drivers car. Sorry Kelton, but your wrong saying the lack of power is a problem, it's not if you can drive. I live in the mountains, small narrow roads, pushing my BRZ into the red line makes ANY passenger piss their pants in fear. I experience no torque dip EVER, because I'm not below 4.000 rpm. After a drive, NOBODY ever told me this car is slow. ONLY strait line drivers find this car slow, it's laughable.
I dont think the 86 will change at all especially with the introduction of the celica and MR2 it would be in direct competition with those two that will be turbo. Also it would make no sense to buy a 2.0 Supra if you turbo'd the 86. Im more of the mind the Supra and 86 will both be shelved by 2027 will the new arrival of next gens and the partnership of subaru and bmw coming to an end.
Honestly I think it's more likely that the 86 will just be replaced. We've also heard rumors of a new inline 4 turbo engine for a new Toyota Celica. There's also strong evidence of a competitor to Mazda Miata called S-FR. Let also not forget the rumors of a new MR-2. Personally I think Toyota is deciding to wash its hands of it's partnerships with other dealers and is moving back towards complete in house development so cars like the 86 and the Supra are going to get the Axe. The Z4 and the Supra are not hitting their sales goals and I think this is just another reason why they're both gonna hit the chopping block.
This is also a likely scenario. The only reason i suspect they will keep the 86 around (even if it is basically a new car) is because they have worked hard to build up recognition around the name
@@KeltonKozlowski I think the S-FR is the real decider. Currently the 86's only real competitor in the market is the Miata. Sporty cars as much as we love them are not as profitable, and they are made in much smaller volume than the cash cow SUV's. A part of the reason most of the cool JDM cars of the 90's disappeared (becides poor sales) is it is incredibly expensive for a car manufacturer to have multiple cars in their lineup, also it isn't always the smartest thing to create a car that directly competes with another car in it's lineup which is what the S-FR would be doing if it gets manufactured. The 86 is a great car and its had plenty of success being manufactured for well over a decade under 3 different brands. These will continue to exist on the road for many years to come but honestly I just don't see them keeping it solely for the brand recognition. You said it yourself most of the people that brokered that deal with Subaru are long gone. Subaru doesn't want to make that car anymore because the BRZ isn't selling, which means they would have to spend millions more to take over manufacturing. The car is done man.
They won’t axe the brz and keep the gr86. Subaru builds the whole thing it’s not going to get a Toyota engine unless they axe the whole thing and Toyota just builds a car themselves. MAYBE Subaru will put the fa24f in but highly doubt it. The turbo is bottom mounted it will fit easily and actually lower the COG (but it’s gonna be dangerously close to the ground, that’s why they won’t build it, it’s not gonna have the ground clearance you expect from a stock car) People bitch and moan about the powertrain all day long and the second the car is gone people are gonna cry about why no one builds a car like it anymore. Those car magazines have been putting out these rumors since 2013 with the “STi” brz.
The car market doesn’t like enthusiasts. We know too much and expect a lot more than non car people . We are a core group , core equals poor . I have a feeling that all performance cars will disappear in the future
The next engine will be a turbo but it won't be a GR86. It's going to be a bigger, heavier Celica. It will likely be a good car but it won't have the focus on lightweight handling like the current GR86. And turbo fours in larger cars are a dime a dozen so who cares. If you want lightweight, low center of gravity and sharp handling buy now. They will be gone within a year or two my guess.
Calling the brz/gr86 codeveloped is kindof a long shot it's on the gr impreza/bl legacy platform the only parts that toyota supplies are the d4s system and even then who knows along with them owning alot of stake in the transmission/diff manufacturer. Me and one of my friends had an argument about this and it basically boil down to would it be could it if was impeza chassis with is300h drivetrain. Toyota is unlikely to make the gr86 with subaru and the brz has the more update chassis at this point. Which also makes it more expensive to produce.
Honestly I'd be so excited to see Toyota make a competitor to the Miata. Turbo GR86 is cool too but I want small sports cars again. Also as an SW20 owner I dread a remake of the MR2 after they partnered with BMW for their Supra. The B58 is a good engine but it's BMW and it isn't a 3JZ. I can only imagine the potential horror of disappointment
as far as rumors are going, the MR2 and Celica revivals will both be pure toyotas, like the GR Yaris/Corolla also there are rumors of a small convertible, the SFR, possibly as a collab with Suzuki (which might also become a new Suzuki Cappuccino in Japan)
It is funny that people like you talk about the next generation while models C and D of the GR86 and BRZ have just begun production. There will be a midcycle refresh in a few years, then keep selling that for another 4-5 years. Maybe, like the MX5, we will have version 3 of the ZN8/ZD8. The 3rd generation is too far in the future to talk about. At this point, the MR2 topic is more relevant.
No it won’t new regulation will stop car manufacturers from producing this car since we are entering a age of ev and hybrid I say the gr86 and brz will have less then 2 more years in production.
I like my 2024 BRZ just the way it is. I don't want a turbo or the turbo problems.
I have a 2023 and feel the same. Adding lightness to the exhaust and better strut/shocks. It doesn't like the high frequency bumps at all.
I agree i have a 2024 with the upgraded sachs dampers and it feels quick. I can easily break the rear loose in second gear around town. Its so easy to get it sideways at low speeds that is the point of this car not for straight line power. Makes a trip to the grocery store or work or autocoss.have giggles. Epic machine really happy with it. Just wish it had more color options.
I had a 2022 GR86, and just recently traded it for a 2024 BRZ with a manual transmission. The GR86 was better logoed, which makes a difference in collectability, but I like some of the subtle differences on the BRZ better. I love them both, but would have kept my GR86 if it was a manual.
I had a m235i with auto 8 speed. It was epic for straight line power off the line launches and high speed runs. I have the 86 now and it is more exciting around town in manual. Its fast enough to have shenanigans. The weight does make a difference in feeling and cornering between the two cars. The weight will not be 2700 with the hybrid. It will be at least 3200 which will be a different handing machine. As the 86 stands now its last of its kind. Should have just used gaskets instead of rtv and auto rev match for winter boot driving conditions. be absolutely perfect
Car guys: we want more power
Car guys : why are cars so expensive…
GUYS GUYS.. mark my words… when this new gen comes out, there won’t be any “affordable” sports car.. because YOUUU got greedy and wanted more power.
86 current current platform is great. It comes it an affordable price and has adequate power for enjoyment while driving amazing. You have the choice to add more power aftermarket.. which is its beauty.
they could literally just offer a turbo option as a higher trim model with less production and it would be enough to make people happy especially since they have the 3cyl in multiple cars it probably wouldn't add that much more cost for production?
@@zak_king16 It would add more cost then you think. They'd have to engineer the engine and powertrain to be able to handle the power from the turbo model, and there's no way they'd have two separate engines for the car. That would be way too expensive to justify. So they'd have to reinforce the engine, then you're talking the transmission, and then it will need grippier tires. And all of that is going to add more weight to the front end, so to keep the balance, they'd have to add weight to the rear and at that point you end up with basically a Nissan Z or Supra. I think it's better to keep it as a tuner special. Keep it lightweight and affordable so people can mod it the way they want.
@@BRZguythey already competitively race the gr86 with the 3cyl engine in the car cause they blew up I believe 3 fa24s in a short span and ditched it so the RnD is already done they would just need to commit to it?
@@zak_king16 No they only use the 3 cylinder engine in japan for testing alternative fuels. The rest of the racing series is with the FA24. Plus it's not guaranteed reliability for street use. On the track it's fine because track cars get rebuilt all the time. But there would be more R&D involved aside from just throwing a different engine in. Plus factoring in the cost increase too.
I am so glad that I bought my 2024 BRZ when I did. I really love my car. The rarity of BRZ’s in my home state (Massachusetts); makes me love it that much more. It’s the most fun vehicle that I have owned in 40 years. Keeping in mainly OEM+ with no major mods; it will likely hold its value very well.
Sold my Turbo for a GR86 - Love it. Turbo issues are a pain.
good video, was surprised by how small your channel was, keep it up gang
Thanks bro!
I may be in the minority, but I'm kinda glad I got my GR86 when they are still naturally aspirated. The power delivery is nice and linear in the second gens and it just loves to be revved. Supercharging seems like the better way of adding forced induction without ruining the behavior, but Toyota is never going to do that.
In fact, I've heard some people who have upgraded from the HKS Supercharger to the HKS Turbo kit have a bit of buyer's remorse as it negatively impacts the car's personality despite adding more power.
I own a first generation BRZ and I'm wondering, did you remove the oil pan to clean the oil pickup?
I have a 2024 Supercharged BRZ by Harrop, and it is what I imagined the perfect sports car to be. Best decision ever.
240 hp for 1200 kg is enough, you could get to 260ish with good mods but that’s enough
Sad to see you're just buy into social media misinformation. This generation WRX is not watered down at all. It's a better driving vehicle by far, faster, more reliable, and far easier to track. It's really disappointing to me when people equate looks to performance. If you are seriously criticizing the VB's performance, you really know nothing about them in the first place.
Yes because pushing people towards the CVT was a great choice! And cutting the STi! And it got such a big bump in power over the VA!
@@KeltonKozlowski Lol what?
The wrx still sells 80% manual model wrx’s? What are you talking about cvts for? The cvt was introduced in the va not the vb.
Cutting the sti has nothing to do with the wrx. You can complain about the sti being axed, has NOTHING to do with the wrx being watered down. Lets compare apples to apples here.
Are you talking about the 3hp difference? Again you know nothing about the cars themselves. The torque dip in the va is gone, the tuning potential is far higher, with the 2.4L compared to the 2.0L.
@@VminingFax, barely need to do anything to push over 300 hp now
@@BigDaddyMarshal fr, its sad to see people judging the car based of a couple photos and social media sentiment instead of actually researching the car.
I was one of those haters until I actually sat in one. Its a completely better car compared to the VA. Unfortunately people only pay attention to stat sheets these days
I always get thumbs up in my VB. Doesnt seem like people dont like it to me 😂
Always the same, not enough power. These guys do not understand a drivers car.
Sorry Kelton, but your wrong saying the lack of power is a problem, it's not if you can drive.
I live in the mountains, small narrow roads, pushing my BRZ into the red line makes ANY passenger piss their pants in fear. I experience no torque dip EVER, because I'm not below 4.000 rpm.
After a drive, NOBODY ever told me this car is slow.
ONLY strait line drivers find this car slow, it's laughable.
Starting to wonder is the “gr86” they initially reported on turned out to be the new celica/ mr2 that was recently announced
Whatever they replace it with will probably be more expensive
I dont think the 86 will change at all especially with the introduction of the celica and MR2 it would be in direct competition with those two that will be turbo. Also it would make no sense to buy a 2.0 Supra if you turbo'd the 86. Im more of the mind the Supra and 86 will both be shelved by 2027 will the new arrival of next gens and the partnership of subaru and bmw coming to an end.
Honestly I think it's more likely that the 86 will just be replaced.
We've also heard rumors of a new inline 4 turbo engine for a new Toyota Celica.
There's also strong evidence of a competitor to Mazda Miata called S-FR.
Let also not forget the rumors of a new MR-2.
Personally I think Toyota is deciding to wash its hands of it's partnerships with other dealers and is moving back towards complete in house development so cars like the 86 and the Supra are going to get the Axe.
The Z4 and the Supra are not hitting their sales goals and I think this is just another reason why they're both gonna hit the chopping block.
Yup, nailed it.
This is also a likely scenario. The only reason i suspect they will keep the 86 around (even if it is basically a new car) is because they have worked hard to build up recognition around the name
@@KeltonKozlowski I think the S-FR is the real decider. Currently the 86's only real competitor in the market is the Miata. Sporty cars as much as we love them are not as profitable, and they are made in much smaller volume than the cash cow SUV's.
A part of the reason most of the cool JDM cars of the 90's disappeared (becides poor sales) is it is incredibly expensive for a car manufacturer to have multiple cars in their lineup, also it isn't always the smartest thing to create a car that directly competes with another car in it's lineup which is what the S-FR would be doing if it gets manufactured.
The 86 is a great car and its had plenty of success being manufactured for well over a decade under 3 different brands. These will continue to exist on the road for many years to come but honestly I just don't see them keeping it solely for the brand recognition. You said it yourself most of the people that brokered that deal with Subaru are long gone. Subaru doesn't want to make that car anymore because the BRZ isn't selling, which means they would have to spend millions more to take over manufacturing.
The car is done man.
They won’t axe the brz and keep the gr86. Subaru builds the whole thing it’s not going to get a Toyota engine unless they axe the whole thing and Toyota just builds a car themselves.
MAYBE Subaru will put the fa24f in but highly doubt it. The turbo is bottom mounted it will fit easily and actually lower the COG (but it’s gonna be dangerously close to the ground, that’s why they won’t build it, it’s not gonna have the ground clearance you expect from a stock car)
People bitch and moan about the powertrain all day long and the second the car is gone people are gonna cry about why no one builds a car like it anymore.
Those car magazines have been putting out these rumors since 2013 with the “STi” brz.
The car market doesn’t like enthusiasts. We know too much and expect a lot more than non car people . We are a core group , core equals poor . I have a feeling that all performance cars will disappear in the future
The next engine will be a turbo but it won't be a GR86. It's going to be a bigger, heavier Celica. It will likely be a good car but it won't have the focus on lightweight handling like the current GR86.
And turbo fours in larger cars are a dime a dozen so who cares. If you want lightweight, low center of gravity and sharp handling buy now. They will be gone within a year or two my guess.
Calling the brz/gr86 codeveloped is kindof a long shot it's on the gr impreza/bl legacy platform the only parts that toyota supplies are the d4s system and even then who knows along with them owning alot of stake in the transmission/diff manufacturer. Me and one of my friends had an argument about this and it basically boil down to would it be could it if was impeza chassis with is300h drivetrain. Toyota is unlikely to make the gr86 with subaru and the brz has the more update chassis at this point. Which also makes it more expensive to produce.
Honestly I'd be so excited to see Toyota make a competitor to the Miata. Turbo GR86 is cool too but I want small sports cars again. Also as an SW20 owner I dread a remake of the MR2 after they partnered with BMW for their Supra. The B58 is a good engine but it's BMW and it isn't a 3JZ. I can only imagine the potential horror of disappointment
as far as rumors are going, the MR2 and Celica revivals will both be pure toyotas, like the GR Yaris/Corolla
also there are rumors of a small convertible, the SFR, possibly as a collab with Suzuki (which might also become a new Suzuki Cappuccino in Japan)
Dude.. BMW is axing the Z4, and the Supra getting dropped.
great video, gr86 is so good if it had a toyota engine it would only be better
They should throw a 4cyl BMW NA engine in there. You know, like how shoes has a BMW engine lolllll
we're doomed
It is funny that people like you talk about the next generation while models C and D of the GR86 and BRZ have just begun production. There will be a midcycle refresh in a few years, then keep selling that for another 4-5 years. Maybe, like the MX5, we will have version 3 of the ZN8/ZD8. The 3rd generation is too far in the future to talk about. At this point, the MR2 topic is more relevant.
No it won’t new regulation will stop car manufacturers from producing this car since we are entering a age of ev and hybrid I say the gr86 and brz will have less then 2 more years in production.