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Great video, people don't understand the amount of R&D that goes into these cars and there technology/engineering

subaru is moving their focus from performance driven cars and they’re making cars more marketable towards commuters or families. These are not my opinions it is subarus actual active plan. It is also the same reason they dropped the subaru brz and theirs only going to be toyota gr 86s now

I had a 2022 GR86, and just recently traded it for a 2024 BRZ with a manual transmission. The GR86 was better logoed, which makes a difference in collectability, but I like some of the subtle differences on the BRZ better. I love them both, but would have kept my GR86 if it was a manual.

Pls don't shoot in hdr 😢

At this point, they could have just upgraded their i5 M60 and it would have been lighter. Weight is absolutely the enemy of performance, wearables, feel and feedback, even luxury, no two ways around it. And what is wrong with them, this looks hideous. They went through all this trouble to keep the V8 but it just can't be heard. What can be heard is fake sound through speakers, which is despicable in any car let alone a performance or performance oriented car.

why are we wrong , "sport" car that is heavyer than house, please... 😅😅

When did you drive it?

Removing the handling characteristics involving weight, bmw can overcome that with clever engineering. Just look at the new m3/4/2. I've got the new m2 and it deals with it well, you not even realise. But, weight is weight and there are issues that no engineering can overcome ie wear and tear. You'll go through tires quicker and fuel quicker, simple as that.

how did audi have a choice not to hydbridise their 2025 rs6, rs7, sq8, rsq8?

useless to argue something without doing a test drive at the wheel. that extra weight is a big NO. it cannot be as nimble. physics

The new M5 is VERY HEAVY bla bla bla. Of course BMW can build an M5 under 2000kg and with 700-800hp but the last one had 257gr CO2/km with 700-800hp is close to 300gr CO2/km. It's impossible to sell it in Europe. And let's not forget that 300gr is during tests,in real world it's way more

For me, the G80 was the first car I bought from BMW, as I loved the design from the beginning. The grill was awesome,since I saw it,I was in love. Same with this M5, for me it’s the best looking M5 ever, there is nothing I would want to change to be honest. Who the hell cares if it needs 3.3sec or 3.5sec as I wouldn’t feel 0.2sec anyway… also between 80km/h and 120km/h it’s 0.1sec faster than the M5CS 🤷🏽‍♂️ I am so glad they kept the V8 and mad it a plug in hybrid. That saved me 55.000€ in taxes (just because it’s a plug in hybrid) Keep in mind that in 10 years from now, you will not be allowed to register a new car with combustion engine anymore in the EU. Means they have to lower their emissions from present to 2030 by 55%, and there is no way to achieve that with mild hybrid syste. it’s just not enough to reach this target And if they won’t reach this target they have, it will cost them hundreds of millions. So I think it’s understandable why they did it

F90 m5 cs is the greatest bmw ever by far

First step: have the money to get an m5 Second step: you don’t

I disagree with this take for a number of reasons: 1) power to weight ratio is worse, if they were increasing weight, they could have increased power proportionately or more. 2) it’s close to a Tesla model x plaid in weight which has a huge battery and 3 electric motors. BMW needed to find a a way to make that hybrid system more weight-conscious 3) the v8 outputs less hp than before!? 4) Chevy with the zr1 has shown that a stock v8 from a non-hyper car can generate over 1,000hp, yet bmw with a v8 + electric motor can’t do even 75% of that. Solution: massive increase to m5’s V8 power was needed, more powerful electric motor, more weight conscious hybrid system.

nah, its awful

I agree with certain points but also disagree with a lot of points strongly. Emission regulations choking the manufacturers creative process is understandable, yet no buyer is gonna think: "Oh well, they did their best I might aswell buy it." No they're gonna go to the former generations or a whole other line of car. Meaning that just because BMW had their hand forced doesn't mean the car is accaptable in a buyers perpective, just like the new C63 AMG. I also disagree with what your perception of the M5's buyers demographic is. I'd say its more comparable to a Dodge Challanger with a high trim then a "Luxary preformance car". I know technically that term is correct but its phrased as a Bentley continental GT would be, which the BMW M5 just isn't. M8 or M6 would fit that bill way better. M5 is the supercar killer of a comfortable Sedan, It always has been. It is not a weekend cruiser its a true driving experience in a full car package. That's why when you add weight to the car it just becomes a tame car with high stats on the brochure. The BMW M5 may not be a track monster now a days but certainly has it never been a fancy daily GT car. They just missed the mark on what M5 buyers actually want from the car completely, and If that's because of their weird design language now a days or restrictions is irrelevant. Also I'll have to disagree with you on the looks of the car too, I thought the M3 and M2 looked wonky at first but they turned out to look really nice once they set in, Apart from a few features. The M5 just looks unimaginative, plain and weirdly proportioned especially in the front.

I agree the design has really grown on me (especially the M5 in that green). However, I also grown to like the G80 M3 especially with the ADRO front bumper replacement. M2 and 7 series are trash I agree

Cool, the M5's weight is excusable. But the design, the performance compared to the F90, and complete miss of being a continuation of the F90 generation are still there.

Dude.. BMW is axing the Z4, and the Supra getting dropped.

People are shitting on this short but if someone who was new to cars saw this it would be helpful

But it still weighs more than H1...

What i have: "Stupidcar"

Problem with this power train is they could have made it fully electric and it would have made it lighter and faster.

As a G90 hater I have to say this is actually a valid video. I think the fact that the M5 was never advertised as a light car is the best argument made for the new M5. But this doesn't help the fact that the F90 looks way better. Im just glad that they didnt go for the hideous M3/M4/XM designs.

Cruiser not a race car, agree! But why the cookie cutter route. New line up -> M550i plug in hybrid with electric range & M5 with turbo electric (Porsche) set up.

Well said

Thank u js because its heavy doesn't mean it's shit

Bullshit. Have you ever driven a sports car? 😂 You can’t cheat weight. Not really. What you should be saying is that in today’s times people are rich and dump and will buy a car that they should never touch. M5 cs was a masterpiece that was hitting way above its class. All thanks to excellent chassis, lower weight and a lot of power. I would like to see a license system so that no rich dumbass could actually buy an m car. For those driving idiots there are cars like m550i which are plenty fast for bad drivers.

Mercedes can shut down the AMG brand. The V8 was the cornerstone of this brand. With that one gone AMG has no positioning anymore. BMW M knows that well that's why they still put the V8 into the M5

Yes. Your 100% right.

Me driving my nd2 with a big smile on my face because I paid sub $30k for it

no, a sportscar is not only focused in performance, it is about the joy of driving

The M5 is a power cruiser, not a race car

Yes, thanks you. 👏

Learned nothing

Golf r comes along and blows it away. 😂

I am so glad that I bought my 2024 BRZ when I did. I really love my car. The rarity of BRZ’s in my home state (Massachusetts); makes me love it that much more. It’s the most fun vehicle that I have owned in 40 years. Keeping in mainly OEM+ with no major mods; it will likely hold its value very well.

It’s hard to say there’s some sort of “age of hot hatches” when there’s like what, 3 on the market? Golf, GR Corolla (thank god) and maybe Hyundai Veloster N? 2 of which are nearly impossible to get. This is barely a Bronze Age

Everyone saying this isn’t a working man car… it’s way more attainable for a white collar worker than a keonisegg

Its $200k, a hurucan is more working man LOL

No it’s not dude I just seen a few at the local dealership 75K+

Anyy car that cost more that $70k isn't for the working man...

The car market doesn’t like enthusiasts. We know too much and expect a lot more than non car people . We are a core group , core equals poor . I have a feeling that all performance cars will disappear in the future

Got a GR Corolla a few months back. It is supremely fun, small, fun and did I mention, it's freakin' fun!!! Makes me feel like a kid again which is priceless.

I agree with you 100% Proof is in the pudding as I actually made the transition. For 10 ish years I owned these three at the same time - Fiesta ST, a 993 & an '07 GT3. Covid Bubble prompted me to sell the 911s. Recently bought a '24 GRC Circuit edition. I love it. I will like it even more once I get used to driving the AWD at speed on gravel, snow and pavement in the twists - which will come👍 BTW - I may not have even considered the GR had I not owned my beloved ST,,, If the GR had only been FWD - I would NOT have even considered it! In general the GR is definitely more fun (when pushed) than my previous cars.

Starting to wonder is the “gr86” they initially reported on turned out to be the new celica/ mr2 that was recently announced

It’s called the Gemini engine

Maybe if you understood more about cars and car culture you'll realise that the VB gen isn't 'watered down'. the FA24F engine is a great engine, it can be tuned to make more power then a STI (EJ257 )while also being way more reliable. The VB chassis is rigid and great overall on track, the VB chassis literally came 2nd at the 2024 Goodwood Festival.

That's a 22b not an sti also the mean eye also had 2 facelifts.