Eastonmade; Cold Hard Truth About Firewood Processor Production...What you NEED to know!!!
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2021
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I knew there were a number of variables to production: this helped get one of them more clearly in mind!!
That makes a whole lot of sense Andrew. Excellent video and well laid out - easily understandable. Thanks!
The great thing about today's technology, it allows you to directly communicate with your audience. You get this and are using it very well. My hat is off to you.!! Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the feedback and support wes. Hope it helps some folks out.
Yes I I am using my late wife’s account she passed away in 2019 as a single dad with four kids three and under the age of 18 I literally am doing everything I could do to make money being self-employed I would literally kill for a log splitter forget the processor that it’s just an amazing piece of equipment love watching the videos
I am sorry for your loss Mr. Williams. Keep your chin up. Opportunity is out there. What are you self employed at?
@@noneofyourbusiness3553 I’m in east Texas I cut fire wood and handyman stuff
I am on manitoulin. I was 28. Had four. Three girls one son. Raised them alone for 17 years.
Where do you live. Are you working.
Nice video Andrew - math is math, wood is wood and production is a daily dream - too many variables in a log to have a daily quota. Cheers
good job on the math my friend. Never thought about it that way. Thanks for sharing.
What a great video, a great easy way to explain the truth!
Thank you for your integrity, Andrew. Because that is what success really boils down to.
Appreciate the support terrence
Very well said!
Love the video and love your honesty too thank you
Thanks for the support harry. Really appreciate it.
Oh you are spot on with wood dia and if your processing some knotty narly wood slows your cycle times down everything we run isn’t dead nuts strait and thank you for building some of the best wood equipment you are passionate about wood
I really appreciate by our honesty. Worth more than gold. Shalom/gw
Thanks for the feedback and support George.
For my size operation and the cost of a processor, not a good idea. But the dream is to be producing and selling enough firewood that I'd need a firewood processor.
Update?
Excellent video, please keep 'em coming.
Thanks patrick. Will do my best.
Very good points.... here they do time studies on machines, but don’t do any on tool changes... or down time
A lot of the outcome/production depends on the person feeding the machines too!!
There's the chimp, and what we call the super chimp. Super chimps have been around, know what to expect, work hard, and can anticipate problems. Most of all, they probably got trained by you, the original super chimp. Super chimps are hard to come by anymore.
I think mr wood yard will prove he can do it faster. Lol.
Totally agree. It’s a blast running a processor. Especially the 4,000
Now that machine is a monster.
Very impressive.
Thanks Steven. Really appreciate the support
This machine is a joy to watch makes splitting the wood effortless
They really are a blast to run. Really appreciate all the support tim
Great explanation on the variables Andrew, holds very true to even your commercial splitters, if you have a six way wedge and the perfect size rounds it can really increase the production if everything splits first pass.
This is true. Really appreciate the feedback and support.
Very good video and an honest take on production.
Thanks for the feedback and support. Really appreciate it.
Excellent points Sir, simple math!
Really appreciate you taking the time to watch the video Paul.
Never truer words spoken about firewood. I personally have a machine also made in Perth Ontario ( Not a Bells lol) I was sold on the production numbers. I only do custom processing so learning what the machine can do took some time, Never mind all the pissed off customers in the mean time and losing out on jobs I quoted. All thanks to thr manufacturer telling you a machine can do 10 face cord when really it can to 4, 6 maybe on perfect logs.
Love your vids, keeps telling the truth about firewood cause nothing is better than running a processor 👍👍
Good video
Now you’re talking Andrew. If I wasn’t in the process of building my own I’d buy your 22-28 for my own personal use (10 cord per year) and if I was into full on commercial firewooding then I’d buy something like this. Nice machine.
Can’t wait for our 22MB! We are going to use it both as a rental machine and our production machine.
you're going to love it brian. Really appreciate all the support.
Excellent points. The cycle times for the saw and the splitter are consistent. It's the wood volume/cycle that makes the difference.
Thanks Loggerjohn. Great to hear from you.
Great video 👍
Thanks!!!
Some damn fine looking wood coming out of that processor.
Thanks mike. Really appreciate the support
I think a facture will be if you have a chainsaw unit or the newer circular saw type . I can cut more with a slash saw system than I can with the 404 chainsaw type . So now shopping for the upgrade . Hopefully this Covid will slow down soon . Be safe
I love the reality of firewood production you spoke about in this video. For guys with a chainsaw and a regular farm store log splitter, there is a sweet spot for log size and production. Best I can do with my slow $1000 farm store splitter is close to one full cord per hour. That's in wood that can be split in half or into quarters. A proper 4-way wedge on my splitter would really boost production. But my biggest bottleneck in production is physical endurance in cutting firewood to length. I can split three times as much in a day than I can cut. Unless I get my physical endurance level up, a processor might be in my future.
Thanks for the feedback. Really appreciate you taking the time to watch the video
Yes, I would say there is a huge variance in your set up, man power and logs. So I agree, when it comes down to it, all your equipment choices are going to provide the same potential of production if it with the same specs. So as I have been checking into and considering my own business, I'm looking equally at the company that produces the equipment as well as the equipment quality, not just the "stamped numbers" as it were. So great point on this video! Thank you!
Thanks for the feedback and support Brian. Really appreciate it
That's a pretty slick machine and I noticed you used some nice size logs for the demo, and why wouldn't you . Nice machine for sure there buddy. As a wood cutter your spot on.
Thanks for taking the time to watch the video and leave some feedback frank. Really appreciate it.
Love the honesty. I have a dyna 16 right now in a very long day I can get 10 cords done. But that’s only if everything goes right. Aka straight logs and not a bunch of 4-6” crap. Then kn the other end the 18-20” makes the pike seem to go longer but takes longer for the saw to cut. The perfect logs in my opinion are the 10-16”
I think you're right on with that justin. really appreciate you taking the time out of your day to leave some feedback.
thank you from = bbr
I was the 1k like. Whoot whoot
Good video, Andrew! I am actually working on a video to see how much I split in an hour with my Ultra. What you said is true, so many variables to consider.
Thanks for all the feedback and support Glen. Really appreciate it.
Looking forward to that video
Great explanation, I'd say my 4000 is averaging 10 face cord an hour, was loading live bottom trailers last year with nice straight wood at 15 face cord an hour consistently, but if you have to mess around with crooked and really small diameter logs your production drops for sure
That sounds right on mike. Really great to hear from you
Andrew: I would say that most individuals out there, have no real concept of what you just said. When I tell people about fresh split self service firewood. They look at me like I'm Crazy, till they hear the price. With it drying or seasoning in their own backyard. Now with a sawmill & drying kim we produce a lot of backyard wood racks & sheds. That not to say, we don't have seasoned or dried firewood for sale. Plus 4 types of smoking woods. I love the 9-16 &12-22 with the 4-way wedge.
Thanks for the feedback and support howard. Really appreciate it.
No matter how you slice it, it’s really hard to make money when machines are involved. You gotta buy it, then you realize you got to buy more machines, then you got to hire a worker, then just when you start making money you get a big mechanical snafu that costs money and downtime. About the only one that’s going to make money is your grandkids when they sell all your stuff 😂.
I understand what your saying. Diameter of logs processed greatly influences the end volume number.
You could give a guesstimate, but the window would be huge. 6 inches to twenty 24 inches. Ya... so you'll be between here, and here.
If they were all consistent sizes, the estimate would be accurate. Nature doesn't work like that haha. Good vid.
Always good to see you breakdown how simple factors make a big difference to production. Here in the UK our firewood is usually 8-9”, would be interested to see you run some timber that length through the 12 way wedges
Why do you guys cut firewood so short?
@@paulmckenney8096, small stove size is my guess.
Wood burners in Europe and the UK tend to be quite small, but very efficient so no need for huge burners, also we tend to have them in the house, rather than the big outside burners.
Don’t worry about the number for out put . Just stick put out good working gear for your $$$$ . Send over western coast off Newfoundland put 22” to 5 ‘ yellow birch . Full off knots and twisted with high wind off the ROCK . I LAUGH about cords and chainsaw speed on U tube . Iiiiii iiiiii sick buddy . keep up good work on EASTONMADE .
A good average on a processor for us is 11 cords /8 hour day- 3 people , logs up to 31" and split down to pieces of firewood with a maximum side 7". We use Multitek 3040s. There is clean out of sawdust under the machine, maintenance and usually some little breakdown every day.
Really appreciate you taking the time to leave some feedback frank!!!
Great video Andrew. I have been asked that questions hundreds of times. And my answer is the same as yours. (Less the math haha) we have abit lower numbers just cause we take our firewood down smaller in the bush.
The right wood makes the world of difference. Really appreciate the feedback and support kev.
You guys should do a livestream together... maybe this Saturday...
@@davidhaley7053 not a bad idea lol
We run a 4000 - it was one of the first versions sold - no cab, none of the newer modifications - it has run a lot of wood thru it - it’s not as fast as it used to be - it also has the smaller cat engine on it - I have been running the machine now for a couple years - not every day by any means - I don’t think I would have 1,000 hours of seat time yet. I can tell you from what little experience I have that everything you are saying I have experienced. I have run really crappy small wood and I have run logs from the processor log gods - I can do 3 cords an hour all day long in good wood but in crappy stuff it’s a challenge to do 1.
Thanks for the feedback and support Brad. really appreciate you taking the time out of your day to watch the video.
G'day Andrew, that prossesor is impressive. I'm not the best at math the metric system is much more simple and easier to understand for simple people like me, my maths teacher's name was miss Calculation 😜👍🇦🇺.
I would be thinking that the faster the machine cycles, the more wood you can cut if you can feed it properly. I never put much store in cords/hr since the diameter, quality, blade sharpness, and keeping the log feed stocked, much less the machine operator(s) in that flow make for huge variables. A cycle rate can give the guy a number he can use to calculate his production based on how long it currently takes him to make a single round of split wood, and eventually know how long it takes to produce a cord. Then he knows what he needs to buy to fit what he needs to produce.
You also have to factor in moving machine, set up, cleanup, moving wood to processor, and moving wood away from processor. I I do 20 cord in an eight hour day with one other guy that is great for me. Usually average 2 cord an hour after all said and done. You also have to be able to sell all that production.
Thanks for the feedback stephen. Really appreciate you taking the time out of your day and watching the video.
Just like how you rate the tonnage on your the Eastonmade splitters based on actual math. It's good to know that there are far more variables to calculating the production of a firewood processor. It is sort of like the fuel mileage ratings for cars. Those are calculated based on a specific set of criteria under near optimal lab conditions. A number you'll most likely never see but occasionally will come close to.
Thats it. Thanks for all the support
Hi. Andrew like your firewood processers and your sptitters.
I have a palax 35s and its rated at 2 cords per hr.
I average a good 1 cord per hr 1 man show
If i can run nice wood and get a 4 way split thats when i produce the most.
That sounds right on johnny. Really appreciate you taking the time to watch the video and leave some feedback.
Good video Andrew.
It is my opinion that people should consider how many cords per hour they can sell when purchasing a processor.
I would also suggest that the production numbers of any machine in any industry at the end of one year, 5 years or 10 years is a better judgement than what can be done in an hour.
Congratulations
Thanks for the feedback and support Dave. Great to hear from you
. it takes way too long to buck and split... with the processor I could concentrate on getting the wood out in a timely fashion.. with my new connections on getting wood I can probably pay that off in less than a year
Just a cycle time would be a better way of guaging performance I would think.
That may be the way to do it. Really appreciate the support.
Your production numbers vary on a processor just like a commercial unit or a box store unit. A processor is going to be able to really churn out the wood if you have all 14 - 16in logs or if you have all 8in stuff. Just like a box store splitter is really going to power thru the 4in and 6in logs and even though they are smaller your faster than the big pieces because less handling of them. And like you said if the deck stays full is hugely different than if you have to stop and go load it yourself
Just bought a processor. The efficiencies are not only the ram speed saw speed etc but how many seconds it takes you to losd it etc. If you are clinically clean with the efficiencies it just becomes mundane
I will suggest that it would need a slick well trained crew to keep a machine like this running all the time.
keeping logs on the infeed table. Would take a well organised talented operator.
Removing the processed wood with the machine running would also taker great organisation.
A production line is only as fast as the slowest step.
That is right on the money. Really appreciate you taking the time to watch the video Don.
According to the math of a log diameter cut to 16" is as follows...
Disclaimer... no air space just hard math ...
Inches cuts per facecord
2 1454
4 361
6 160
8 90
10 58
12 40
14 30
16 23
As you can see there is way too many variables to actually calculate the real production on a firewood processor.. Maybe if someone took ten equal 20,000 pound loads of firewood all cut at the same time out of the bush ( all sizes 2" to 16" ) and time each session and devide by 10.. it would give you a more scientific realization of what these machines can really do..
I was mad at first when I got my 1st processor and it wasn't keeping up to the projected amount of cords it was supposed to do until I did the math and realized it was the wood I was running not the processor I was using
Thats why i would like to see a box wedge setup, big enough to take 3x 300mm on a processor the same size. In smaller diameter you cut 3 pieces and put all 3 through on one cycle of the ram. Small diametre as you say is less production otherwise.
Thanks for the feedback and support Michael. Really appreciate it.
@@EastonmadeWoodSplitters I believe you make a premium product. And partly why i would like you to make use of my excavator roller slide design. It could be made better. And i believe if the rollers were set up in a "v" formation you could improve on my design. It would also work great with your box wedge setup on larger splitters.
Split first, count last.
Cycle time tells the story.
The processer is way faster than the old wood splitter were you cut load split remove. The wood spliter is old tec
Makes me want to start my own firewood business. Wish I had the $200000 to obtain the equipment I want.
You and me both
My end goal is to get one of these probably the 4000 or the 40 series. But I’ll settle for the 37D to crank out the wood when I get the financing squared away. Best of luck boys!
No one started with all that equipment, it's a process!
@@Deutschehordenelite I know. Just deeaming
@@heathenfirewoodservice2021 that is a great machine, the 37D. The only down side I see to it is that you will need 2 people to feed it and a good stack of rounds close by. Come to think of it you may want 3 people to feed it, 2 to split and 1 to rest for a bit and then trade off to let someone else rest, LOL. Would have liked to see it with a box wedge.
Quick math lesson: volume = Pi times the radius squared! times the length. 2 x radius = 4 times more wood, 3 times radius = 9 x’s more wood
You're right on bill. Glad you were able to take something away from this video that may be able to help you out in the future!!!
Just like figuring out flow on pipes
Quick math lesson... If the radius of a pizza = Z and its height = A, then the volume of a pizza is: Pi(z)(z)(a) xD
I liked because he drinks Timmy ho’s. I clicked because I thought he was going to tell me how long it took him to make my next splitter lol.
First comment that isn’t egocentric self promotion. I love that circular saw blade. Makes a chainsaw look like a joke. Also, I believe that it probably takes less Time to a sharpen and lasts longer between maintainace.
Yep so much faster. No bar oil or chain sharpening. You also just swap out teeth or grind them when they need a touch up. So cool I wish I had one.
Tree Service wood has iron. I have no experience but It is much better to hit iron with a chain than with a circular blade. Maybe Andrew could put a sensor on the processor to stop it when the iron comes.
You need another horse trailer to catch all that valuable sawdust. Folks will pay for that stuff especially if it's clean. Even blowing it into a drum would be gooder.
It works great for animal bedding. Thanks for taking the time to watch the video mike. really appreciate it.
@@EastonmadeWoodSplitters are you kidding? Your machines are the top of the game. Glad it's a Canadian product showing the world how it's done.🇨🇦
Late to the game but had to chime in.. it's "more gooder", just"gooder", brought a smile, but if it's "more gooder" might bring a chuckle.
Just out of curiosity how do you keep a blade like that sharp? Do they have a device that you can mount on the blade to sharpen it? Can you show us how you do that if you sharpen them or do you send them out
the teeth are removable, so you can just take'em off and replace/sharpen them if needed.
they are a replaceable carbide. I have heard of guys sharpening them but I don't know if there is any real advantage to it.
Without paying bolts for firewood. 2040 1-1.5 per cord. If I get straight 15 inch logs 4 plus cords.
Thanks for the feedback Corey. Really appreciate the input
I don’t but I’d like to own one you on the money I say
Thanks for taking the time to watch the video and leave some feedback james. Really appreciate it.
Do you guys have financing available?
Yes we have a handful of companies we work with for financing. If you give jeremy a call at the shop he should be able to steer you in the right direction 888-995-1965
You cant run 18in wood in a 12 way and get nice size wood the pieces are way too big for what people want..you can make a 18 or 20 way then you would have something
This is why it's firewood, it's always inconsistent.
What machine cycles in 3 second?
Cord king
@@HILLBILLYSFIREWOOD you beat me to it yep cord king is fast too!
@@heathenfirewoodservice2021 , have a good one. ✌
@@HILLBILLYSFIREWOOD there no way to cut and split in 3 seconds
@@billc3405 , look at cord king 18 wedge video buds
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Who cares? Go ask your mother, but don’t be surprised if she doesn’t either. How old are you? Grow up
Is this what became of a Bell?
Never mind. I just saw the rest of the video. . . Oops
Did you move the dog's back a few inches?
The "truth is" this guy floods RUclips with his equipment, then shows up in Bangor Maine at the Logger's Expo this weekend 5/20/23 with all the fancy gear, then they tell you "oh you want want one of those....hahaha, that'll be 14 months or so". I called them a year ago, and it was the same story. My only thought, is that their purpose is to get (give) every firewood guy on RUclips talking them up, then claim there's none to be had for a year and half while they raise prices. Apparently it works from a marketing perspective, but I'd never buy one based on that model.
If you're thinking about a box wedge, I'd take a serious look at the sheer amount of trash theirs makes. I noticed it in videos, but saw it for myself yesterday in person. Unbelievable amount of trash and waste it produces. You really need clean logs about 14" or so from what I see.
Anyway, it now bothers me to see this guy constantly pushing his equipment everywhere, yet the "supply chain issues" continue to impact and haunt him for years. There's plenty of other quality options out there, that's for sure. No, I don't know him. I don't have, or represent another processing company, but I can clearly see what he's doing is odd. Maybe he should be actually making some "pro-cessors" instead of marketing them so hard on RUclips and trade shows. Maybe just drop it for a few weeks and try to catch up with the 16 month backlog of orders they claim to have.
He talks way to much, couldn't wait any longer
Love to start a small firewood 🪵 Business. Is there a must list of tools to starts with . What did you start with? All I have a is a old. Forklift .. incorrect machinery.
Fork lift is actually a great start! good for loading and unloading IBC totes. A good starter kit for a firewood business is a chainsaw and an axe, or small splitter. Then you can make your way up from there!
I would imagine you would find a bunch of good videos on startups. I know for sure chris @inthewoodyard has one. A chainsaw and a maul is where most guys starts.
I have ms170 saw some others tools that a good sign what wood splitter would you recommend?