I dont like downsizing engines, but, ... the new Sprinter OM654 engine (1950ccm) in combination with the new 9 speed auto and the new sprinter chassis performed in most situations better than the current V6 4x4 combo. The new Torque-on-Demand for the 2023 model serie makes no more stopping to go in low gear neccesary. The first gear is 25 % under the 7G trans. The new sprinters run a lot quiter and smoother. The only thing what I realy hate on the new litte 4 banger engines is, that they have almost no engine brake in the sprinter. Well, time will tell, if the new sprinters with all wheel drive will be a step forward, or ... not.
There was almost no engine braking in the previous 4cyl (OM651) either. Sucks on long downhill roads and when 4-wheelings down steep gradients. Won't hold the van for sh*t, even in 1st gear, low-range...
If the AWD system has low initial gears it should be ok. If there’s a center diff lock for slippery or challenging conditions with hill descent control it should be relatively good with a solid set of all terrain tires.
I own a 2018 Sprinter 4x4 currently at 28,000 miles. This video makes me think my van will perhaps appreciate rather than other direction. 2018 MB / 2019 REVEL. The end of the line of the V6 OM642 diesels and the last of the German Built Sprinters. I previously owned a 1989 VW Vanagon Sycnro - owners are getting ridiculous amounts of money for 30 yr old vans I suspect these older vans will be sought after. The 2019 and above vans seem to have ridiculous amounts of electrical issues.
Bummer! Went today to my local MB dealer ready to order the 4x4 v6 to be told they won’t accept the order for that model and from now on it will be the new engine. Says no compromise on power for more fuel efficiency and quieter. I want to use this sprinter for sand and tracks, doesn’t says if there will be 4ets for diff lock. Really questioning the off-road capability, is there any one that can advise if this new model will still provide for my off road need ?
The only thing really good about that V6 was that it has the CP3 high pressure fuel pump that is bullet proof. The new 2023 switch to a more fragile High pressure fuel pump. When this HPFP fails it ruins full injectors and fuel tank etc... It can be a mess. But the 2023 4banger will run a lot faster and more efficient
I own a 2020 4WD Sprinter with low-range, contrary to how most "Sprinter 4x4 purists" appear to feel, I’m not sure I see this as such a negative. My "little" 144" is ridiculously capable for a van, I've yet to find its limits, and we're talking about a van with engageable AWD that only sends 35% of the torque to the front axle. The new AWD version might possibly be just as capable if implemented correctly. The torque-on-demand and variable torque distribution might play to its advantage... And honestly, anything it isn't able to handle, probably isn't something you should be attempting in a van to begin with. 🤷♂ I've gone on a few off-road routes with friends in VW Crafters, and was impressed with how much they were able to tackle (for a van with so little ground-clearance, that is). Mercedes' 4matic is far superior to VW's 4motion, and its traction control blows VW’s out of the water in real-life use, so even if the new Sprinter sits between a VW Crafter and a "legacy 4WD Sprinter", it'll still be a pretty impressive machine (for a van). And once again, if there's any terrain my van is able to handle and the new one isn't....it's probably not something you should be subjecting either one of them to 😂 Seriously, I’ve found my own limit before I’ve run into the van’s… Another thing that might be a step forward is the ditching of the whole 4x4 drivetrain (from t-case to differentials, pinion shafts used, you name it...) used in the 4x4 Sprinter for the past dozen years. I'll eave it at that....
@@VastOverland , a small engine that is highly modified to produce a higher horsepower. The small engine will be so stressed and its life span will be short. I wish they modified the bigger 6 cylinder engine.
@@butchfajardo8832 I would think they have it pretty figured out. Many of the early 2004-2006 T1N sprinters go many many miles. They call that series “million mile sprinter”. I will see how many miles I get on mine.
@@VastOverland , modifying an engine to have a higher horsepower is awesome in sports and racing. But not when you want your engine to last long. In engineering, there is a limit on how much you can increase the horsepower of an engine if you want it to last long! This is being followed strictly on big trucks and trailers! That's why their engines can run 1 million miles before being overhauled.
@@VastOverland , I would be happier if they made the original V8 engine more efficient and also increase their horsepower. Replacing the engine to a smaller one and modifying it too much is very bad for the owner but very favorable to mechanics and parts dealers!
Thank you! Very good information 👌
Thanks for watching!
4 cylinder gas do you recommend it??
I would rather have diesel, when you go to add a diesel heater for cold weather camping you will be happy
But I need only for work,not for camping,do you think is a good choice to get 4 cylinder gas??
I dont like downsizing engines, but, ... the new Sprinter OM654 engine (1950ccm) in combination with the new 9 speed auto and the new sprinter chassis performed in most situations better than the current V6 4x4 combo. The new Torque-on-Demand for the 2023 model serie makes no more stopping to go in low gear neccesary. The first gear is 25 % under the 7G trans. The new sprinters run a lot quiter and smoother. The only thing what I realy hate on the new litte 4 banger engines is, that they have almost no engine brake in the sprinter. Well, time will tell, if the new sprinters with all wheel drive will be a step forward, or ... not.
There was almost no engine braking in the previous 4cyl (OM651) either. Sucks on long downhill roads and when 4-wheelings down steep gradients. Won't hold the van for sh*t, even in 1st gear, low-range...
I have been super impressed with the new 4 banger. Lots of peppy torque and all the great gas milage. We have had many roll through the shop so far!
If the AWD system has low initial gears it should be ok. If there’s a center diff lock for slippery or challenging conditions with hill descent control it should be relatively good with a solid set of all terrain tires.
I think it uses a Haldex system
@@travsformation1 what’s that?
@@woolengrappler a multiplate clutch that selectively transfers the torque to the axle with the most traction
Thanks for the info!
Sprinter’s 4X4 is not a REAL 4x4. It is just a glorified AWD.
All the bitching in the world, won't buy you a 4x4 sprinter. keep hatin'
Is your van true 4x4 @livefreevinnie ?
I own a 2018 Sprinter 4x4 currently at 28,000 miles. This video makes me think my van will perhaps appreciate rather than other direction. 2018 MB / 2019 REVEL. The end of the line of the V6 OM642 diesels and the last of the German Built Sprinters. I previously owned a 1989 VW Vanagon Sycnro - owners are getting ridiculous amounts of money for 30 yr old vans I suspect these older vans will be sought after. The 2019 and above vans seem to have ridiculous amounts of electrical issues.
Yes the 2019 4x4 and up will be very sought after like the Syncro. I have a 2019 and will never sell it. Love it
Bummer! Went today to my local MB dealer ready to order the 4x4 v6 to be told they won’t accept the order for that model and from now on it will be the new engine. Says no compromise on power for more fuel efficiency and quieter. I want to use this sprinter for sand and tracks, doesn’t says if there will be 4ets for diff lock. Really questioning the off-road capability, is there any one that can advise if this new model will still provide for my off road need ?
So they are saying you can not even order a 2022?
@@VastOverland no more v6 order in Australia has to be the new OM654, want to make some research before committing.
Im glad to hear it.
Thanks for watching
Wow. And no more V6? What's the shake-up for? They must be shifting to something else?
Emissions....
Not sure but the 4 cylinder diesel is fantastic very peppy and great milage
The only thing really good about that V6 was that it has the CP3 high pressure fuel pump that is bullet proof. The new 2023 switch to a more fragile High pressure fuel pump. When this HPFP fails it ruins full injectors and fuel tank etc... It can be a mess. But the 2023 4banger will run a lot faster and more efficient
Yep the new 4 cylinder diesel is pretty awesome for sure!
That is what I want! An AWD for the road! I need this climbing up and going down on mountain roads! They should also make a 4WD for those who need it!
They did but not anymore. My van is a 2019 4wd
There’s always Achleitner, Oberaigner and Iglhaut…
Yes and a great option!
glad I have my '19 4wd, 6cly, 3500xd.
Thats the king of the road for sure. Do you still have it?
I own a 2020 4WD Sprinter with low-range, contrary to how most "Sprinter 4x4 purists" appear to feel, I’m not sure I see this as such a negative. My "little" 144" is ridiculously capable for a van, I've yet to find its limits, and we're talking about a van with engageable AWD that only sends 35% of the torque to the front axle.
The new AWD version might possibly be just as capable if implemented correctly. The torque-on-demand and variable torque distribution might play to its advantage...
And honestly, anything it isn't able to handle, probably isn't something you should be attempting in a van to begin with. 🤷♂
I've gone on a few off-road routes with friends in VW Crafters, and was impressed with how much they were able to tackle (for a van with so little ground-clearance, that is). Mercedes' 4matic is far superior to VW's 4motion, and its traction control blows VW’s out of the water in real-life use, so even if the new Sprinter sits between a VW Crafter and a "legacy 4WD Sprinter", it'll still be a pretty impressive machine (for a van). And once again, if there's any terrain my van is able to handle and the new one isn't....it's probably not something you should be subjecting either one of them to 😂
Seriously, I’ve found my own limit before I’ve run into the van’s…
Another thing that might be a step forward is the ditching of the whole 4x4 drivetrain (from t-case to differentials, pinion shafts used, you name it...) used in the 4x4 Sprinter for the past dozen years. I'll eave it at that....
Yep I like your outlook!
That's what I want. AWD! But I want a bigger engine.
The new 4cylinder this year is pretty awesome
@@VastOverland , a small engine that is highly modified to produce a higher horsepower. The small engine will be so stressed and its life span will be short. I wish they modified the bigger 6 cylinder engine.
@@butchfajardo8832 I would think they have it pretty figured out. Many of the early 2004-2006 T1N sprinters go many many miles. They call that series “million mile sprinter”. I will see how many miles I get on mine.
Except it will have the same clearance....
We have seen that the new AWD are actually just a tiny bit taller.
I want a bigger engine for the AWD! Definitely not a 4 cylinder AWD!
The new 4 cylinder is offered in a high output version and it is truly pretty awesome.
@@VastOverland , modifying an engine to have a higher horsepower is awesome in sports and racing. But not when you want your engine to last long. In engineering, there is a limit on how much you can increase the horsepower of an engine if you want it to last long! This is being followed strictly on big trucks and trailers! That's why their engines can run 1 million miles before being overhauled.
@@VastOverland , I would be happier if they made the original V8 engine more efficient and also increase their horsepower. Replacing the engine to a smaller one and modifying it too much is very bad for the owner but very favorable to mechanics and parts dealers!
@@VastOverland , if I get this Sprinter, I will replace the engine with a more powerful 6 cylinder diesel engine or a V8 gas engine.
Depressing video.... this guy brings lots of "good" news!
Thanks for watching, did you end up getting a van?
All wheel drive is much much better and cheaper to operate.
Not really, but may be the case for the masses.
Cheaper than 4x4?