In a knife fight, assume you're going to get cut. There's no rules. Use every advantage you can. Don't hesitate. I've seen the untrained, full of rage, defeat skilled knife fighters. Avoid the fight if possible. Never do anything with doubt or reservation.
Trained with blades better than 25 years. This is by far some of the most practical and sound advice I've seen for the concept of knife use defensively. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Really good info. I never thought I'd concern myself with knife-fighting but the way crime rates change and assaults rise in germany I'm glad to be able to access this. I sure as hell don't want any confrontations but I don't see myself outrunning a 20 year old guy hellbent on taking revenge on society (after being welcomed with open arms a few years earlier, strange times).
The moment you have to defend yourself with a knife your objective is to neutralize the enemy. Not to hurt him, but put him in the ground. Better in jail than in the morgue.
At same token hurt the attackee realistically bust his nose if in close gouge the eyes groin strikes kick hard its life or death at that point. I would no less. I belive and it is a matter of moral and ethical. But its also based on how trained on really is. A good knife attacker injury or broken bones is necessary
Agreed... and for any who might disagree the key words are "have to" ... if you think you can break a nose, gouge an eye, bust some fingers and the fight is over.. you can do all of that without pulling a lethal weapon, the moment you pull a lethal weapon, submit to the possibilities (and probabilities) that you will spend time in jail, die, or take another life... it's a much better legal defense to have intended to take your attacker's life in defense of your own, than to have accidentally killed someone
I totally agree with on it. I have seen so many martial art teachers teaching how to disarm knife in the knife fights, especialy in Philipino martial arts. Good luck with that. A lot of unreal expectations.
You have to remember it takes zero skill to kill with a knife. There are no wrong grips either. However you pick up a knife, you better know how to use it in that grip. Don't specialize in any one grip. Train them all. If he has a knife and you have a knife, you don't want to knife fight them. You need to kill them period. The longer you take playing around the more risk your taking.
I trained my whole life, and in the military as well. One of my buds was a young dude you would think could barely cut his steak let alone fight..we sparred and he just shoved his hand in my face and shanked the crap outta me with a permanent marker..pop pop pop. BEST TRAINING I EVER GOT😄 6 OR 7 stabs in under a second all over my gut, and NOT one Damn Thing i could have done to stop it..God i love that dude and will NEVER 4 get the lesson he shared.❤
@@hope4ourfallen That technique is covered in a book called Put em down Take em out knife fighting from folsom prison. Excellent book. Highly recommend.
@@raptorrochester The irony is my bud was a vato from the streets and that is EXACTLY how he learned it..from his older sibling❤ I'll make sure to check it out..not sure if you ever saw the movie "shot caller" Their is a scene were the dude duct tapes the knife to his hand so it wont slip..and just shanks this dude viciously in his house..the part that stood out was the reality of him not so much going for power, just getting as many holes as he could.
@@hope4ourfallen the book is free online in pdf format. The idea is to rapidly bleed someone out. Effective? Yes, absolutely. It is not legal however. That technique has a very small margin for use outside of prison. It does have its uses. The jkd method is a better option.
@@raptorrochester you the man bud. Found it. It says 34 pgs but when open stops at 54 a practice drill..saw hamstring cut and said this is gunna be interesting😉
there is a video somewhere, where Navy Seals do knife training, and the defensive/reverse grip looses everytime because of distance. The one who wins is the one who can stab with the most distance. The reverse grip can work once you're on the inside, and help to get neck control, but if your stabbed, you're toast. Nice to see some common sense here ;-)
Continue to create space while cutting the weapon arm will 2 things 1. Attacker may stop and back away. OR 2. Aggravate the person even more to just rush you and not stop until they gut you open. Even if you stab a person multiple times that may not completely stop the person at all so you must always prepare for the worse case scenario, ALWAYS
I just loaded a sample of the first book and intend to make a purchase. I'm a karate practitioner and enjoy finding the similarities in principles and mechanics within the various styles. Well done and keep it up!
If someone is armed, i am going to assume they mean to seriously hurt me or murder me. If they die because they attacked me with a weapon, then so be it. Better them than me in my book. If it's unarmed, that maybe a different situation, depending on context. But if someone has a knife, they have intent to kill. Those little cuts, wont stop someone on drugs either. Even bullets and tazers dont always work in those situations. They may get cut, but if they stab you, you die before they will.
@@systemlfo Those cuts, wont stop someone fighting back as quickly as being stabbed does. And if you factor in thickness of clothing. Stabbing is the way most attackers do things. Granted it also depends on the level of experience and skills of the defender and attacker. cuts suck for sure, but its generally the stabs that concern me most.
@@iansinclair6256 - pick up a knife (on your own) and slash the air, then lunge forward with stabs. If you're fighting with space then you would be crazy not to deploy some cuts because of the speed they can be delivered. Most knife vs knife fights have some space because both parties have had time to pull their weapons out. Up close blitz attacks are a different story, they are almost always knife vs hands.
You may find discussions about bio-mechanical cutting interesting. Basically it is about cuts to muscles and tendon--cuts that immediately immobilize but don't kill an attacker. It's sometimes called "defanging" the snake. For more about this, see the work of Michael Janich.
@@systemlfo stabbing is faster than cutting. The thrust/stab is superior to the cut. A 2 inch stab into the torso, neck or face will likely lead to a mortal wound. You stand a better chance of surviving against a cut than a stab. I'm not saying don't cut but you will get quicker results with thrusts.
An experienced Filipino Arnis practitioner would snatch that thumb sitting on the spine of the knife and have you on the floor in excruciating pain in no time. At 06:08 you allow that blade to come back across your throat without checking it. Look up W.E. Fairbairn's timetable of death" to see what a 1.5 in cut across a carotid will do to you. 14 seconds to passing out. It's a bad practice to let the opponents blade move across the vulnerable parts of your body without blocking or checking it.
Plus 9/10 times you will pressed against something (wall, bar top, table, railing or what ever) or it's hidden out of line of sight till it's too late, and then your reaction time and cq movements are out the window for the most part. Sewing machine stabbing will be used an then your screwed. First thing I learned in FMA. Rather learn from a blade culture system then jkd improvised blade work if I can. Done both for years but that's besides the point.
Nice advice! I totally agree with the idea to cut his knifehand "defanging the snake" as they say in filipino martial arts and cuting his forhead might cause bleeding down in his eyes wich will make it harder for him to see (and probably freak him out). I must however point out that I think you seriously underestimate the risk of the knifefight getting into grapplingrange, when I have been practicing/ playing around with trainingknives aswell as when I have seen cttvfotage of people fighting with knives it is striking how often the fight start from or quickly move into extreme close range. I don't belive your system is complete if you don't put a lot of thought into how to deal with that range.
First of all, you arent supposed to take out a knife if you are in grappling range because how can you grapple with only one hand? If both are up close each with a knife in hand, it is kind of a 50-50 that you dont want to be a part of. What you think of as doable in practice is very risky so just be careful of that.
Good advice. This methodology reminds me of the instructions given by John Styers in his classic book "Cold Steel ". Styers was a Marine combat instructor during WW2. Incidentally he advocated attacking with the right leg forward.
@saintquinn007 Yes that was the basic strategy. Keeping the right foot extended greatly increases one's reach and and reduces the exposure of one's chest and stomach to a counter attack.
I saw Bob Duggan (10 times voted the most dangerous man in the world- instructor of the bodyguard school cia runs).. do that once with a magic marker-- adn that guy that tried him has 63 cuts on him and he had NONE from the guy!!! :) WORKS..
That is why kali is always saying that its a martial art for sports just for defending ur self its main purpose is to really decimate the enemy coz its originated from a war times.. this is also why if most of the deadly knife techniques is taught in the military
Right on. I've watched a lot of so-called 'experts' and 'special force' type guys use all manner of grips and techniques...but what you showed here is absolutely correct (excepting those world class knife specialists...but we're not them). I trained with a buddy of mine back in the day using fencing masks and simple rolled up magazines for knives...We quickly cottoned on to what the presenter has shown here. Indeed, we found that two very, very simple techniques won most of the time, i.e. a straight, lightning strike to the face and/or, if defending, a slash to the opponents hands, wrists or forearms. I then went up against people trying different holding techniques....and destroyed them every time.
I see you've adopted the "saber grip". I kinda like the forehand grip for largo mano, but my go-to is the Hammer Grip = no thumb exposure and less chance of disarm or dropping the blade.
While I understand and appreciate the intentions of your video the big issue here with your scenario is that you have your blade in a hammer grip, your opponent is in a reverse (ice pick) grip but he is also in a reverse lead while you have your weapon in your lead hand. Of COURSE you are going to have an advantage and I don't think it's a good "apples to apples" comparison. My other issue is that yes, cutting someone "77 times" may seem excessive if that's what it takes til he drops his weapon and is no longer a threat to me so be it. I agree it would probably happen before 77 cuts on him but the point is I would use whatever force is necessary to remove the threat. If he still has a blade in his hand, he is still a threat.
If you cut an attacker 77 times and they hasnt dropped their weapon they might be on meth in which case you just seriously pissed off a tweaker lol. His points were aimed towards discouraging the attacker while disabling their ability to wield that weapon and limit their range of vision. This aint a kung fu knife fighting video, its self defense.
@@revildangerously2716 But it's "self defense" where in this scenario you already have a clear advantage in distance given the weapon grips and the opponent's stance
Honestly I think it's a good intention not to kill but to hurt, or in this case, just injure a person who is attacking you but on the other hand if somebody goes at me with a knive and I, being a father with family, have the oppertunity to stop the fight I don't give a shit if the agressor dies. He started it with lethal intention so he has to take the consequences ! And one more thing : Just imagine you are succesful to stop the fight by cutting of his fingers or give him some serious scars in the face. What will happen if the aggressor will meet you again in the supermarket, in a bar or on the street and what will hapoen if you are not aware about it because he stands behind you or he has some friends with him ??? A person who uses a knife to attack somebody should consider to die by himself if he isn't trained enough to win the fight !
A folding knife can be dangerous as that it takes time to get it out of your pocket, deploy the blade, and then use it. To draw and use a fixed blade is faster. Down side is more difficulty in concealment. But whatever you got practice drawing it, proper grip and footwork. Compare your time to someone who has a fixed blade.
Love ur channel. Im a wing chun student. Im also a student of libre, a knife "system" developed scott babb to be used by groups battling drug cartels in Mexico. Its battle tested and very simple. Id be curious as to your opinion on libre.
Jason, I had to revisit this video to revise my previous comment. I was in a sparring session the other day and I was reminded that the pikal, or "ice pick" grip can be very useful, in the right context. Defending against another knife, what you advocate, i.e. conventional blade-forward (sak-sak, saber or hammer-grip) with a snap thrust also works best for me. But change the context and try working against an opponent with a 24 -30 in. bastón, club, or expandable baton. Suddenly, you are at a huge reach disadvantage. When you try to snap-thrust, you fall short and YOUR hand becomes the target. In this situation (working against a longer, percussive or impact weapon) I found it more practical to use the pikal/ice-pick grip, with the blade forward, and arms covering my head like a boxer. When you find your opening, you crash in, negating the distance advantage of the club, and then slash, punch-cut, hook, and trap, whatever. You don't have to stab and kill. But against a long weapon you have to get INSIDE, and pikal grip with a boxer's guard is a good way to do that. Any thoughts?
VTSifuSteve good points. Tactically speaking, I’d still stick with the snap cut structure because it maximizes your range and footwork. Being such a small target, and highly mobile gives you a good defensive ability from which to counter attack. Not saying your approach is wrong...it’s a very smart idea, in fact. I just prefer to stick with the long structure - especially since the opponent would almost certainly deploy their weapon in their rear hand, thereby shortening its reach and making the outside angle available. For example, assuming the stick is in his right hand, angling to his left and rapid, long snap cuts will work nicely. Either way, great input and thanks for such a thoughtful question.
Thanks. My point was just that "the long structure" advantage is negated if the other guy has a much longer weapon. And regarding stance, with both stick and blade, we also generally prefer a "southpaw" or "power-side forward stance" (right leg forward for a right handed fighter), since it places your weapon closer to the target. Now working against a stick attack, consider that most stick fighters instinctively tend to favor downward striking attacks (a no.1 & no. 2 in our system). Those strikes can come down really hard on your extended arm attempting a snap-thrust, and even disarm you. But if you can move-in close using a blade-out, ice pick grip with a boxer's "peek-a-boo" guard, you can "punch-thrust" your blade upward, intercepting the stick wielder's descending arm, reversing the dynamic in your favor. Might not work well for everybody, but worth testing out.@@JKDandWingChun
I like good flicker knives for self protection against dogs in the neighborhood and heaven forbid a human animal. I like this guy. He gave me the basic thought process for handling my flicker blades in an unusually brisk situation. Thank you!!
By coincidence, in my local JKD school, we are currently practising knife defences. I will certainly inform my instructor of your very useful “reality based” demonstration.
Nice. I still think you should wear some kind of eye-protection even when sparring with the softblades. I totally aggree with you that the opponents hands, forearms, and inside of the elbow joint make great targets. I have also trained in FMA, but I am leaving out the whole defang the snake thing. I only see disarms in sparring happen, when you hit the opponents hand. But if he halso keeps his hand moving in order NOT to make it a target, it rarely happens. I have never seen any of the other more complicated disarms EVER happen in free sparring.
Great video and very valuable your approach of how to use a knife in self defense, i agree, we dont want to kill, we want to defense us , and those techniques are really useful , efficient and simple.
Excellent video. informative and well thought out. Not overtly serious with a bit of humor. enjoyed it, definitely going to sub to this channel and check out your othwr videos. Thank you guys.
This is THE MOST REALISTIC knife fight I've seen! But what if you are fighting with a person of knowledge? So PRACTICE THIS AT HOME or wherever you can pratice. The knife methods I see loos so good, looks so cool YET some if not will put you into trouble. You may win of the attacker do not know how to fight or attack. Take for example to straight stabing, he launches with open arms, you grab it then pull, twist his arm hurting him making him kneel and you get the weapon. That would work but for inexperience or desperate attack.
I of agree with using the least amount of force but in a deadly force situation you can use a lot of the techniques hes said not to. as the SCOTUS has said "If the use of deadly force is justified, the degree of injury sustained by the assailant is of no consequence" Tenn vs Garner.
Thank you for taking time to make the video very informative. I’m just curious do you know which state you could have a knife where you could utilize it Snapchat? Are you even allowed to carry a knife for self-defense in any state? I’m here in Rhode Island and you can’t have anything more than 3 inches. My neighboring states I believe it is 2 1/4 inches. It’s hard to get A really good snap card with a 2 1/4 inch blade
Very restrictive. Out here in Arizona we can carry knives, swords, handguns, and rifles concealed or openly, with no permit, except in a few places such as public buildings, schools and the like.
in the beginning. the Jkd system had no weapons, nor ground work. it was added later by Bruce students. it seems to me Bruce wanted his students to concentrate solely on empty hands technique.
And this is why Guro Dan incorporated Kali methodology into JkD which is a PrOVEN and arguably the BEST method of dealing with the blade. Whereas other methods think it’s. Some special way of training…Kali treats it as an everyday occurrence.
I think this could have been more helpful if you distinguished between someone knowing how to use a knife as oppose to someone who doesn't. The point alone changes a lot of tactics and strategy. The other point I would consider is the charge with constant stabbing or slicing as opposed to stop action and you're going at it blade to blade... consider getting the blade into the fight. I see your point but I think execution to set up your point should have been executed differently. Cheers, thanks for putting yourself out there.
Nice, honestly I don't think there is no singe martial art that shares the best knife defense or knife fight reality. What are your thoughts on that? Plus I definitely want to get the book.
Austin Hamby I’d have to agree that no system is perfect. Wish there was...lol. Seriously, though, different methods focus on some varied application aspects. Many knife systems are more focused on military style engagements that are a bit contradictory to legal self-defense. This JKD/fencing based method is more tailored for the long-range and modern self-defense realities of our day, in my opinion. In all, I think all the methods are functionally valid insofar as we understand what they’re designed for. Like with guns - a shotgun, handgun and AR are all fine weapons but each has a different role to play. Anyway, thanks for the input and for watching. Hope you like the book too!
I challenge you I want you to invite Doug Marcaida to teach a class and I want you to challenge him using your techniques and he will use his and let's see what happens.
RED S7VN Doug is an outstanding martial artist. Even so, he swears by the basics outlined here. All good knife fighters do. The superfluous “fluff” is unworkable under pressure and breaks down. He teaches things like that for “mechanics and fluidity”. They aren’t the go-to methods of knife combat. Snap-cut and move is the only battle tested method. Simple is the key. Thanks for watching. I appreciate your concern and hope you understand the severity of the issue we’re talking about. Fighting with a weapon is extremely serious business and any mistake can be, if not always deadly, at least life altering. Hence, talk of challenges in that regard is a very spurious bit of business. If you’re not convinced that this method works, you’re logically concluding that under pressure - in split seconds - complexity is better than simplicity. I would strongly suggest you don’t bet your life on such a ruinous gambit. Best wishes nevertheless. 🙏
@@JKDandWingChun There are many great points and conversations here. I like a good debate. However, I am surprised at "snap-cut and move is the only battle tested method." That's clearly not true, as many FMA teachers of the past (and present) have been in real encounters without using snap cuts, as have European / HEMA martial artists of the past and Russian knife guys of the present. I would submit that snap cut and long range sniping /countering are just one strategy.
Great video but how do you apply that if attacked in a elevator or small room I know JKD deals with all ranges and fencing concepts are meanly long range with footwork
You dont, unless you are the psycho🤣. Kidding aside, you wouldnt want to pull out a knife when you are that close unless your attcker does something dumb and you have a good opportunity to pull a pocket knife out and cut them, otherwise the knife gets knocked out of your hand or you drop it because they are smashing you.
But Jason, you forget how cool the pikal or ice-pick grip is. Other than that, what you say here makes perfect sense! Another thing, for those who would feel guilty about showering their attacker's hands, forearms, and forehead with snap cuts. Not only will you live, the other guy will survive too, but will have some nasty scars. That's the coolest gift you can give to a thug. For the rest of his life, he'll be proudly showing off the scars he got knife fighting. See, there's always a bright side!
God damn. I hope never to be in a real knife fight. But I just learned a lot that (with a lot of practice )will be welcome if it ever happens Thanks for the vid
JKD way of the blade comes from eskrima/arnis/kali mostly from what i understand. They have to be trained properly. My GM teacher tells me the best defense against a knife is a weapon of your own.
A pair of running shoes, lots of speed running training, learning how to scale fences and climb lampposts and climbing in general quickly,body armour,like a stab proof vest and something for the forearms and lots of MMA cage fight training for realistic understanding of actually fighting and last but not least having a weapon of your own,most probably a 🔪,but only in defence. Defence against a knife attack is a shit deal in general,even if your just goofing around,try fighting someone armed with the TV control and the winner gets to choose the channel or something like that but nothing is good and works 100% effective all the time.
Those are valid points but don’t use a knife for an unarmed assault it only escalates and also most assailants are gonna go nuts with a knife it’s just better to run
Hi Sifu Jason: Great video on knife self defence. I think that people often mistake exploring the art form (I practice Wing Chun [Ip Man] and PTK Kali) and self defence. I've also purchased your books...like your perspectives! Any chance of you doing a break down of Bil Jee? Thanks again for the great content!
Karen Barrett thanks so much for the support - both on RUclips and for the books! That’s awesome. And great point about practicing the art form but forgetting self-defense. As for Bui Jee, we do plan on covering it eventually as that’s such an interesting form. Not sure about our timeline yet, though... Anyway, thanks again for the incredible support and for the input too!
Interesting perspective. However, my personal opinion is that if someone is coming at me with a knife, their life is forfeit. I care nothing for their well-being.
i agree, it's kind of like how a mongoose kills a snake almost without fail. you have to feel him out a bit and see what he wants to do. if he wants to play the long game then you can take the quick strikes at what he gives you and make him pay for each move he tries to make against you. if he leaves a gap open you would hopefully take the opportunity and deal the decisive blow
@@jhanks2012 I had to think about the animal analogy a bit but yeah, I agree lol. That said, these quick strikes are not rare among long game players in tournaments. They back off, let you swing, then tap you as you come in. The more experienced guys are more impressive. They can do the same thing with powerful strikes while backing up, angling off, or even backing off then coming back in to hit the head hard. ie, same thing but more options and much more power. The little taps being used in this video won't work with an impact weapon or with an unsharpened knife.
This guys obviously doesn't have a real knife fight experience. In the Philippines when you get into a knife fight, most of the time, you will not be dealing with only 1 opponent, believe me, you will have 3 to 10 people running coming from all directions and they will all want to stab, cut and disarm you. Real knife fight is fast and brutal. Speaking from experience you will be in constant movement: fighting, running, striking and disarming your opponent. Expect that you will be cut too but pray it won't be fatal. Be safe guys.
I respectfully disagree. Just look back at medieval manuscripts and you'll see a lot of dagger attacks in the ice pick grip. Also, rondel daggers are pretty much useless in the tip-up grip. However, I do admit that I feel more comfortable with the knife held like a sword, trying to keep my distance. However, this doesn't work that well on various types of attire (thick winter clothing, leather, biker gear, modern soldier combat gear, and obviously the good old gambeson, and obviously chain mail). A flick of a knife won't cut anything then unless you got a really hefty blade... The tip-down grip not just allows you to stab harder, but also is more defensive. You can block incoming punches and kicks and cause some seriously nasty wounds and when the blade faces you, you can stab and cut in a pulling motion (either widening the wound or cutting the arm that just blocked the attack). Lastly, you can cut in that grip too, and in principle use your boxing combinations. A straight punch becomes a vertical cut and so does a hook (though a bit of an overkill). Hammerfists become stabs.
isnt the grip he's using incorrect, I thought your supposed to hold the knife in a fist position because if you dont and hold it like he is the knife can get knocked out of your hand easily.
Your concept of using JKD avoidance/evasive footwork with a knife has some merit. I like the wrist snap cuts. Other methods need to be employed as well such as the finger jab to the eyes and knife disarming wrist locks for close quarters situation. If the situation is a life and death matter or you are protecting someone from getting kill you will have to use stabbing or lethal stabbing to vulnerable parts of the body to shut your attacker down or unfortunately kill him. KNIVES ARE NOT FOR PLAY OR FUN!
The snap cut is good but understanding the blade system that JKD barrows from would help I can’t tell someone something doesn’t work and demonstrate it improperly
Cordova Combatives it’s fundamentally fencing. Of course, the blade is smaller but it follows the same principles. And since you can’t use a small blade for defense, footwork and rapid, simple counterattacks are absolutely essential. Thanks for watching.
I disagree with the aims to hurt and maim by the defender... if someone has a knife and is trying to kill you... their intent is life and death, they clearly aren't concerned with "owies" and usually won't stop because of a few cuts, you have to respond with the same level of intent. Also, the aftermath of a knife fight is something to consider, if your attacker survives and is maimed (like they're missing fingers, can't see out of one eye, can't use a hand to work and provide, no longer have depth perception.. etc etc), even if they started it, can attempt to sue you. Even if their case is weak, if you can't afford a decent defense, you could be paying them a lot, like enough to support them for the rest of their lives. if a knife is drawn, it's kill or die.
I try to avoid saying something is "wrong" or "incorrect" or "never happen" unless it is very dangerous to the wielder. I would say reverse grip knife is not as optimal as forward grip, but it has a time and place in training and self defense. Most of the knife training curriculum of a Kali system, is for skill development. The application should be simple. you cutting a guy without a weapon at 8:10: "Assault with a deadly weapon". Not good. It would have been great to see your approach of "empty hand versus knife" instead of the "knife versus empty hand".
What about the Karambit? You have to hold it in a reverse grip/hammer grip. Then you have the Benchmade SCOP developed by Greg Thompson for US Special Forces. Again it is a straight blade but has the ring of the Karambit on it. And again it is meant to be held in a reverse/hammer grip. Then if you look at a guy like Tu aka RÖNIN who spent 20 plus years in the military most of that special operations and working with CAG better known as Delta Force. He is an expert in combatives. If you watch this video he'll go through in the beginning and show you the different techniques but then he'll break it down to the beginner level. ruclips.net/video/XxPC8yhJDu4/видео.html Pretty much everyone agrees that Filipino knife fighting is probably one of the best methods. yeah everything you're saying in this video goes against what that style of knife fighting says. I highly suggest you watch some of Doug Marcaida's content. ruclips.net/video/vi7TPa1eQ8w/видео.html And the other thing in your video is much like all the other JKD videos your opponent isn't doing anything is being very stagnant. With a reverse grip you need to turn the blade around which is what your opponent needs to do right now he's got more of a hammer grip but turn the blade around and now whenever you try to lunch I can easily counter that. The other thing with holding the knife the way you're holding it is that is the weakest way mechanically for the body to hold the blade. Yes you do have more range but you have less power and that creates less trauma. Now there's a time and a place to hold a blade the way you're saying but in a defensive situation I'm going to go reverse grip because it gives me A) more control B) more power. The other problem is most of these scenarios like in this video they never show how a blade encounter really goes down. I have witnessed and have been on the receiving end of a blade encounter.the way they actually go down is 99.9% of the time the person who gets cut or stabbed doesn't know that it's going to happen. The attacker just walks up in a very non-threatening Manner and then basically precedes to sewing machine or slash wildly at the intended target. This whole mythical you draw a knife I draw knife very rarely if ever happens. The other thing then I have come to realize after 20 years of military to include USASOC and 14 years law enforcement I is that no one wins in a blade encounter. What I mean by that is yeah if you slash or cut me chances are you're probably going to get jumped by my friends if I were able to get a blade out you're going to get cut or stabbed and if I happen to be CCW more likely you're going to get shot. ever want to do a fun experiment take to large magic markers take the Caps off and then go at it with somebody set a timer for 10 seconds. The end of that 10 seconds I want you both to look at each other you're going to be covered in black dots in slashes. That's what I mean by no one wins a blade encounter. Unless you're military or law enforcement the best defense against a blade is to run away. Now if you happen to be in a place that you can legally carry a concealed firearm and that person it's far enough away from you preferably 20 feet or more the Firearms a great defense but it's not a guarantee. Also the other problem that you have in this video is you keep saying you don't want to kill this guy. Of course you do. If you're just trying to wound this guy you're not helping yourself. Not in the confrontation and especially not in the aftermath on the legal side of it. This is why police officers Don't Shoot To Wound they shoot to eliminate the threat. Your whole concept is flawed. So what you're saying is someone is attacking you with a deadly weapon to the point you think your life is in danger so now you've pulled a knife out. Then your life wasn't in danger enough to actually defend yourself against an equal threat. In other words that guy's not trying just to hurt you he's trying to kill you because you don't know what his intent is. The advice you're giving people just to injure them is bad advice and will come back to bite you on the legal side of it. You fight to eliminate the threat. If not when you get sued and take him to court what will happen is in this has happened even the law enforcement they will sue you saying that you intentionally maimed them. And the sad thing is they won with this argument. When it comes deadly encounters meaning the individual has a weapon of some kind, you always, always, always fight to eliminate the threat. The threat is not the weapon, the threat is the individual. That's the whole point here. This mindset of I'm just going to wounfn the guy does not work, it never works. Tniis whole concept of Hollywood death is just that, Hollywood. Ehen you shoot someone even with a high-powered rifle they don't drop immediately sometimes they stagger and he run off. This Hollywood you stab somebody and 3 seconds later they're on the floor and they're dead doesn't always work that way actually I've never seen work that way. I've witnessed a guy overseas get stabbed 7 times and still kill the person who stabbed him and the guy that got stabbed lived. In this whole concept that you're going to cut his fingers off it comical. Unless you're swinging in a very large blade like a sword or machete you're not going to cut anyone's fingers off. You're going to cut to the bone and chip the bone at best. But the hand will still function unless you sever tendons and even then the most important thing to sever would be the thumb, you can still hold a knife with no fingers as long as you have a thumb. But this is the whole problem with JKD. JKD lives in the dark recesses of what if. Anybody who's ever been a practitioner of JKD who has come and roll with us always gets destroyed. and then when you ask them will how would you combat this or that and like why can't really do that because I permanently maim you or kill you. JKD isn't a real fighting form of any kind it's a philosophy at best but you take someone who has good experience in Jiu Jitsu and Muay Thai in Bill destroy anybody I don't care who you put in front of them Bruce Lee himself who uses JKD. this has been shown over and over and over again we're people who practice JKD get the crap beat out of them or embarrassed. Let's not forget Lee never fought anyone in real life except for a boxing match back when he was in school. Lee was an actor that's all he was kung fu and all that other ancient Arts has been shown to be ineffective in real life. The only exceptions are Muay Thai Jiu-Jitsu to include Judo and some Karate.
Ummm…. Bruce Lee was in countless street fights and duels that almost resulted in death. He even concealed carried a revolver. Not sure what part of his history you skimmed off of but you missed a whole lot.
I was debating on saying anything, becuase most of what you is good. But then you say not to kill in mortal combat 'becuase thats not self defense'. So 1st point overhand grip is excellent for self defense. Best way to bring the point to bear when the distance is already closed (pulled a knife while being attacked). 2nd When your fighting for your life, fight like it. It a terrible time for less effective methods. Yes go for the hand, but follow up. Dont try 1 thing then make a desicion, whole squence which becomes a sequence of decisions through live resistance training. 3rd. Nothing on stabing them in the face.
Look up videos of Lynn Thompson and Ron Balicki knife training together on youtube. Some of the best knife sparring I've seen and they both use snap cuts a lot. They both have trained and taught Eskrima but they use something more like this in their realistic sparring. Ron is actually Dan Inosanto's son-in-law, and Inosanto was a friend and student of Bruce Lee if you didn't know. Dan continued teaching a version of JKD and added Filipino martial arts to his style. Lynn was the head of Cold Steel knives until he recently sold the company.
I've always had the mentality that if I had to use a weapon on somebody unless they go to jail for the rest of their life nine times out of 10 they'll try to find a way to come back and try to get me next time when my guard is down or through family friends what about a scenario like that what do you think would it still be worth it's true let him live or should you still keep them alive only maybe cripple them or something I don't know
If I’m in a knife fight because I’m trying to defend myself from deadly force, then I’m gonna kill the attacker. I become the attacker and will defend my right to do so in court. I’ll be alive to go to court, and more importantly, my son and wife will be alive even if I must suffer consequences of a prison sentence to defend them. Know your laws!
@@mjolnir9855 In the Heat of the Moment I understand you have no choice so I agree with you completely but at this specific moment I'm not angry and I'm not being attacked so my life is not on the line so I'm thinking clearly in that aspect of the after effect so I would just rather not be in that situation at all at all if I had to defend myself unless I know somebody saw me defending myself I think I would just rather run away and let the ambulance take care of the bad guy
Benjamin Pujols absolutely. Worst case, however, is that perhaps you’re protecting a loved one. Maybe a taser gun would work better in this situation then? I know it looks a lot better to incapacitate someone legally - and then just have a knife in case your life is on the line and the taser didn’t work. If it’s one on one though? I guess just make sure you stay fit enough to run faster and also make a running regimen a serious part of your training. If an attacker can’t catch you, you win!!! But you’ve gotta run fast, so staying lean and fit is literally a tactical advantage.
In a knife fight, assume you're going to get cut. There's no rules. Use every advantage you can. Don't hesitate. I've seen the untrained, full of rage, defeat skilled knife fighters. Avoid the fight if possible. Never do anything with doubt or reservation.
Trained with blades better than 25 years. This is by far some of the most practical and sound advice I've seen for the concept of knife use defensively. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
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Really good info. I never thought I'd concern myself with knife-fighting but the way crime rates change and assaults rise in germany I'm glad to be able to access this. I sure as hell don't want any confrontations but I don't see myself outrunning a 20 year old guy hellbent on taking revenge on society (after being welcomed with open arms a few years earlier, strange times).
The moment you have to defend yourself with a knife your objective is to neutralize the enemy. Not to hurt him, but put him in the ground. Better in jail than in the morgue.
At same token hurt the attackee realistically bust his nose if in close gouge the eyes groin strikes kick hard its life or death at that point. I would no less. I belive and it is a matter of moral and ethical. But its also based on how trained on really is. A good knife attacker injury or broken bones is necessary
Agreed... and for any who might disagree the key words are "have to" ... if you think you can break a nose, gouge an eye, bust some fingers and the fight is over.. you can do all of that without pulling a lethal weapon, the moment you pull a lethal weapon, submit to the possibilities (and probabilities) that you will spend time in jail, die, or take another life... it's a much better legal defense to have intended to take your attacker's life in defense of your own, than to have accidentally killed someone
This is the most Non bullshit thing I have ever seen in regards to knife defense. Absolutely love it.
I totally agree with on it. I have seen so many martial art teachers teaching how to disarm knife in the knife fights, especialy in Philipino martial arts. Good luck with that. A lot of unreal expectations.
You have to remember it takes zero skill to kill with a knife. There are no wrong grips either. However you pick up a knife, you better know how to use it in that grip. Don't specialize in any one grip. Train them all. If he has a knife and you have a knife, you don't want to knife fight them. You need to kill them period. The longer you take playing around the more risk your taking.
I trained my whole life, and in the military as well. One of my buds was a young dude you would think could barely cut his steak let alone fight..we sparred and he just shoved his hand in my face and shanked the crap outta me with a permanent marker..pop pop pop. BEST TRAINING I EVER GOT😄 6 OR 7 stabs in under a second all over my gut, and NOT one Damn Thing i could have done to stop it..God i love that dude and will NEVER 4 get the lesson he shared.❤
@@hope4ourfallen That technique is covered in a book called Put em down Take em out knife fighting from folsom prison. Excellent book. Highly recommend.
@@raptorrochester The irony is my bud was a vato from the streets and that is EXACTLY how he learned it..from his older sibling❤
I'll make sure to check it out..not sure if you ever saw the movie "shot caller"
Their is a scene were the dude duct tapes the knife to his hand so it wont slip..and just shanks this dude viciously in his house..the part that stood out was the reality of him not so much going for power, just getting as many holes as he could.
@@hope4ourfallen the book is free online in pdf format. The idea is to rapidly bleed someone out. Effective? Yes, absolutely. It is not legal however. That technique has a very small margin for use outside of prison. It does have its uses. The jkd method is a better option.
@@raptorrochester you the man bud. Found it. It says 34 pgs but when open stops at 54 a practice drill..saw hamstring cut and said this is gunna be interesting😉
My favorite knife defense video so far. Good advice.
this fella is rare /really has a grasp on reality and knows what really works / keep up the great work / grants pass ore larry
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there is a video somewhere, where Navy Seals do knife training, and the defensive/reverse grip looses everytime because of distance. The one who wins is the one who can stab with the most distance. The reverse grip can work once you're on the inside, and help to get neck control, but if your stabbed, you're toast. Nice to see some common sense here ;-)
2 mins in and I am in AWE! Thank you so much this will up my game ALOT!
Continue to create space while cutting the weapon arm will 2 things
1. Attacker may stop and back away.
OR
2. Aggravate the person even more to just rush you and not stop until they gut you open.
Even if you stab a person multiple times that may not completely stop the person at all so you must always prepare for the worse case scenario, ALWAYS
Yep so true
I just loaded a sample of the first book and intend to make a purchase. I'm a karate practitioner and enjoy finding the similarities in principles and mechanics within the various styles. Well done and keep it up!
Reid Forth that’s great! Thanks so much for the support and I hope you like the book. 🙏
If someone is armed, i am going to assume they mean to seriously hurt me or murder me. If they die because they attacked me with a weapon, then so be it. Better them than me in my book.
If it's unarmed, that maybe a different situation, depending on context. But if someone has a knife, they have intent to kill.
Those little cuts, wont stop someone on drugs either. Even bullets and tazers dont always work in those situations. They may get cut, but if they stab you, you die before they will.
Those cuts are like a jab, they create defensive openings to then stab the neck etc
@@systemlfo Those cuts, wont stop someone fighting back as quickly as being stabbed does. And if you factor in thickness of clothing. Stabbing is the way most attackers do things. Granted it also depends on the level of experience and skills of the defender and attacker. cuts suck for sure, but its generally the stabs that concern me most.
@@iansinclair6256 - pick up a knife (on your own) and slash the air, then lunge forward with stabs. If you're fighting with space then you would be crazy not to deploy some cuts because of the speed they can be delivered. Most knife vs knife fights have some space because both parties have had time to pull their weapons out.
Up close blitz attacks are a different story, they are almost always knife vs hands.
You may find discussions about bio-mechanical cutting interesting. Basically it is about cuts to muscles and tendon--cuts that immediately immobilize but don't kill an attacker. It's sometimes called "defanging" the snake. For more about this, see the work of Michael Janich.
@@systemlfo stabbing is faster than cutting. The thrust/stab is superior to the cut. A 2 inch stab into the torso, neck or face will likely lead to a mortal wound. You stand a better chance of surviving against a cut than a stab. I'm not saying don't cut but you will get quicker results with thrusts.
An experienced Filipino Arnis practitioner would snatch that thumb sitting on the spine of the knife and have you on the floor in excruciating pain in no time. At 06:08 you allow that blade to come back across your throat without checking it. Look up W.E. Fairbairn's timetable of death" to see what a 1.5 in cut across a carotid will do to you. 14 seconds to passing out. It's a bad practice to let the opponents blade move across the vulnerable parts of your body without blocking or checking it.
Plus 9/10 times you will pressed against something (wall, bar top, table, railing or what ever) or it's hidden out of line of sight till it's too late, and then your reaction time and cq movements are out the window for the most part. Sewing machine stabbing will be used an then your screwed. First thing I learned in FMA. Rather learn from a blade culture system then jkd improvised blade work if I can. Done both for years but that's besides the point.
Nice advice! I totally agree with the idea to cut his knifehand "defanging the snake" as they say in filipino martial arts and cuting his forhead might cause bleeding down in his eyes wich will make it harder for him to see (and probably freak him out). I must however point out that I think you seriously underestimate the risk of the knifefight getting into grapplingrange, when I have been practicing/ playing around with trainingknives aswell as when I have seen cttvfotage of people fighting with knives it is striking how often the fight start from or quickly move into extreme close range. I don't belive your system is complete if you don't put a lot of thought into how to deal with that range.
BJJ?, Judo? idk
First of all, you arent supposed to take out a knife if you are in grappling range because how can you grapple with only one hand? If both are up close each with a knife in hand, it is kind of a 50-50 that you dont want to be a part of. What you think of as doable in practice is very risky so just be careful of that.
Now that's logical knife fighting metods.
Good advice. This methodology reminds me of the instructions given by John Styers in his classic book "Cold Steel ". Styers was a Marine combat instructor during WW2. Incidentally he advocated attacking with the right leg forward.
@saintquinn007 Yes that was the basic strategy. Keeping the right foot extended greatly increases one's reach and and reduces the exposure of one's chest and stomach to a counter attack.
16:13- 16:16 is why you use reverse grip. It can be used for both defense and offense vs just offense with forward grip.
I saw Bob Duggan (10 times voted the most dangerous man in the world- instructor of the bodyguard school cia runs).. do that once with a magic marker-- adn that guy that tried him has 63 cuts on him and he had NONE from the guy!!! :) WORKS..
That is why kali is always saying that its a martial art for sports just for defending ur self its main purpose is to really decimate the enemy coz its originated from a war times.. this is also why if most of the deadly knife techniques is taught in the military
Right on. I've watched a lot of so-called 'experts' and 'special force' type guys use all manner of grips and techniques...but what you showed here is absolutely correct (excepting those world class knife specialists...but we're not them). I trained with a buddy of mine back in the day using fencing masks and simple rolled up magazines for knives...We quickly cottoned on to what the presenter has shown here. Indeed, we found that two very, very simple techniques won most of the time, i.e. a straight, lightning strike to the face and/or, if defending, a slash to the opponents hands, wrists or forearms. I then went up against people trying different holding techniques....and destroyed them every time.
I see you've adopted the "saber grip". I kinda like the forehand grip for largo mano, but my go-to is the Hammer Grip = no thumb exposure and less chance of disarm or dropping the blade.
While I understand and appreciate the intentions of your video the big issue here with your scenario is that you have your blade in a hammer grip, your opponent is in a reverse (ice pick) grip but he is also in a reverse lead while you have your weapon in your lead hand. Of COURSE you are going to have an advantage and I don't think it's a good "apples to apples" comparison. My other issue is that yes, cutting someone "77 times" may seem excessive if that's what it takes til he drops his weapon and is no longer a threat to me so be it. I agree it would probably happen before 77 cuts on him but the point is I would use whatever force is necessary to remove the threat. If he still has a blade in his hand, he is still a threat.
If you cut an attacker 77 times and they hasnt dropped their weapon they might be on meth in which case you just seriously pissed off a tweaker lol. His points were aimed towards discouraging the attacker while disabling their ability to wield that weapon and limit their range of vision. This aint a kung fu knife fighting video, its self defense.
@@revildangerously2716 But it's "self defense" where in this scenario you already have a clear advantage in distance given the weapon grips and the opponent's stance
Learned something new today,thanks Sifu.
first thing there is no no 'right' way to hold it depends how to pick up
Thanks Sifu Jason for the helpful information.
What do you call the technique that allows you to promote both books in one video? 😅 love the videos!
Reid Forth way of intercepting shameless plug. Lol.
That technique is called "smarketing" a mix of the words "smart" and "marketing"
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Phil Bara thanks so much for watching and for the kind input.
I’m hearing all good points as usual! 😜💥🤘😎
And what if they have a knife and you don't I know that complicates things much much more but what are you recommend
Honestly I think it's a good intention not to kill but to hurt, or in this case, just injure a person who is attacking you but on the other hand if somebody goes at me with a knive and I, being a father with family, have the oppertunity to stop the fight I don't give a shit if the agressor dies. He started it with lethal intention so he has to take the consequences ! And one more thing : Just imagine you are succesful to stop the fight by cutting of his fingers or give him some serious scars in the face. What will happen if the aggressor will meet you again in the supermarket, in a bar or on the street and what will hapoen if you are not aware about it because he stands behind you or he has some friends with him ??? A person who uses a knife to attack somebody should consider to die by himself if he isn't trained enough to win the fight !
This great video along with Tu Lam’s (aka Robin) 8 directions/points of swing training will prepare you to survive
Appreciate the lesson. I carry a quick assist folding knife not necessarily for self defense but you never know. It's for general utility.
A folding knife can be dangerous as that it takes time to get it out of your pocket, deploy the blade, and then use it. To draw and use a fixed blade is faster. Down side is more difficulty in concealment. But whatever you got practice drawing it, proper grip and footwork. Compare your time to someone who has a fixed blade.
Love ur channel. Im a wing chun student. Im also a student of libre, a knife "system" developed scott babb to be used by groups battling drug cartels in Mexico. Its battle tested and very simple. Id be curious as to your opinion on libre.
Dam you make sense! Now I got to Practice more! Thanks for sharing!
Ironic - the point is that it's pointless to use the point! Good advice and will keep it in mind, thanks!
Destroying the hands IS an efficient way to immobilize the opponents no matter what context it is used.
Jason, I had to revisit this video to revise my previous comment. I was in a sparring session the other day and I was reminded that the pikal, or "ice pick" grip can be very useful, in the right context. Defending against another knife, what you advocate, i.e. conventional blade-forward (sak-sak, saber or hammer-grip) with a snap thrust also works best for me. But change the context and try working against an opponent with a 24 -30 in. bastón, club, or expandable baton. Suddenly, you are at a huge reach disadvantage. When you try to snap-thrust, you fall short and YOUR hand becomes the target.
In this situation (working against a longer, percussive or impact weapon) I found it more practical to use the pikal/ice-pick grip, with the blade forward, and arms covering my head like a boxer. When you find your opening, you crash in, negating the distance advantage of the club, and then slash, punch-cut, hook, and trap, whatever. You don't have to stab and kill. But against a long weapon you have to get INSIDE, and pikal grip with a boxer's guard is a good way to do that. Any thoughts?
VTSifuSteve good points. Tactically speaking, I’d still stick with the snap cut structure because it maximizes your range and footwork. Being such a small target, and highly mobile gives you a good defensive ability from which to counter attack. Not saying your approach is wrong...it’s a very smart idea, in fact. I just prefer to stick with the long structure - especially since the opponent would almost certainly deploy their weapon in their rear hand, thereby shortening its reach and making the outside angle available. For example, assuming the stick is in his right hand, angling to his left and rapid, long snap cuts will work nicely. Either way, great input and thanks for such a thoughtful question.
Thanks. My point was just that "the long structure" advantage is negated if the other guy has a much longer weapon. And regarding stance, with both stick and blade, we also generally prefer a "southpaw" or "power-side forward stance" (right leg forward for a right handed fighter), since it places your weapon closer to the target. Now working against a stick attack, consider that most stick fighters instinctively tend to favor downward striking attacks (a no.1 & no. 2 in our system). Those strikes can come down really hard on your extended arm attempting a snap-thrust, and even disarm you. But if you can move-in close using a blade-out, ice pick grip with a boxer's "peek-a-boo" guard, you can "punch-thrust" your blade upward, intercepting the stick wielder's descending arm, reversing the dynamic in your favor. Might not work well for everybody, but worth testing out.@@JKDandWingChun
a knife fight is unpredictable
6:54 that hit from the guy was personal
I like good flicker knives for self protection against dogs in the neighborhood and heaven forbid a human animal. I like this guy. He gave me the basic thought process for handling my flicker blades in an unusually brisk situation. Thank you!!
By coincidence, in my local JKD school, we are currently practising knife defences. I will certainly inform my instructor of your very useful “reality based” demonstration.
Its pretty bad and jumps to some incorrect conclusions.
Nice. I still think you should wear some kind of eye-protection even when sparring with the softblades.
I totally aggree with you that the opponents hands, forearms, and inside of the elbow joint make great targets. I have also trained in FMA, but I am leaving out the whole defang the snake thing. I only see disarms in sparring happen, when you hit the opponents hand. But if he halso keeps his hand moving in order NOT to make it a target, it rarely happens.
I have never seen any of the other more complicated disarms EVER happen in free sparring.
Great video and very valuable your approach of how to use a knife in self defense, i agree, we dont want to kill, we want to defense us , and those techniques are really useful , efficient and simple.
Perfectly logical and excellent training. Looking good teacher
FINALLY A TEACHER THAT KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT!! GREAT JOB THANK YOU!!!
fun teacher. very casual and nice to watch
Excellent video. informative and well thought out. Not overtly serious with a bit of humor. enjoyed it, definitely going to sub to this channel and check out your othwr videos. Thank you guys.
great advice keep your distance cut and retreat easily used for stick/cane umbrella etc
This is THE MOST REALISTIC knife fight I've seen! But what if you are fighting with a person of knowledge? So PRACTICE THIS AT HOME or wherever you can pratice. The knife methods I see loos so good, looks so cool YET some if not will put you into trouble. You may win of the attacker do not know how to fight or attack. Take for example to straight stabing, he launches with open arms, you grab it then pull, twist his arm hurting him making him kneel and you get the weapon. That would work but for inexperience or desperate attack.
Thanks from Texas.
I have the book and it´s great, maybe you should include more pictures next time but it is a excellent book, fun to read and precise.
I like libre fighting system. What do you think? Offensive knife only...
I of agree with using the least amount of force but in a deadly force situation you can use a lot of the techniques hes said not to. as the SCOTUS has said "If the use of deadly force is justified, the degree of injury sustained by the assailant is of no consequence" Tenn vs Garner.
Thank you for taking time to make the video very informative. I’m just curious do you know which state you could have a knife where you could utilize it Snapchat? Are you even allowed to carry a knife for self-defense in any state? I’m here in Rhode Island and you can’t have anything more than 3 inches. My neighboring states I believe it is 2 1/4 inches. It’s hard to get A really good snap card with a 2 1/4 inch blade
Very restrictive. Out here in Arizona we can carry knives, swords, handguns, and rifles concealed or openly, with no permit, except in a few places such as public buildings, schools and the like.
Great video thanks Sifu
in the beginning. the Jkd system had no weapons, nor ground work. it was added later by Bruce students. it seems to me Bruce wanted his students to concentrate solely on empty hands technique.
And this is why Guro Dan incorporated Kali methodology into JkD which is a PrOVEN and arguably the BEST method of dealing with the blade. Whereas other methods think it’s. Some special way of training…Kali treats it as an everyday occurrence.
Cutting extensors is very different than flexors. If you can cut the right flexors, the grip will fail.
Smart idea. I’m going to play and test it for myself. Where can you get the foam knives you use? What brand are they?
You can make them easily from shock mats at harbor freight.
I think this could have been more helpful if you distinguished between someone knowing how to use a knife as oppose to someone who doesn't. The point alone changes a lot of tactics and strategy. The other point I would consider is the charge with constant stabbing or slicing as opposed to stop action and you're going at it blade to blade... consider getting the blade into the fight. I see your point but I think execution to set up your point should have been executed differently. Cheers, thanks for putting yourself out there.
Nice, honestly I don't think there is no singe martial art that shares the best knife defense or knife fight reality. What are your thoughts on that? Plus I definitely want to get the book.
Austin Hamby I’d have to agree that no system is perfect. Wish there was...lol. Seriously, though, different methods focus on some varied application aspects. Many knife systems are more focused on military style engagements that are a bit contradictory to legal self-defense. This JKD/fencing based method is more tailored for the long-range and modern self-defense realities of our day, in my opinion.
In all, I think all the methods are functionally valid insofar as we understand what they’re designed for. Like with guns - a shotgun, handgun and AR are all fine weapons but each has a different role to play.
Anyway, thanks for the input and for watching. Hope you like the book too!
Am reading it . Great work.
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Dude,
Let me teach you a lesson,
If they pull a knife, you pull your gun, but if you don't have a gun, you run.
I challenge you I want you to invite Doug Marcaida to teach a class and I want you to challenge him using your techniques and he will use his and let's see what happens.
RED S7VN Doug is an outstanding martial artist. Even so, he swears by the basics outlined here. All good knife fighters do. The superfluous “fluff” is unworkable under pressure and breaks down. He teaches things like that for “mechanics and fluidity”. They aren’t the go-to methods of knife combat. Snap-cut and move is the only battle tested method. Simple is the key.
Thanks for watching. I appreciate your concern and hope you understand the severity of the issue we’re talking about. Fighting with a weapon is extremely serious business and any mistake can be, if not always deadly, at least life altering. Hence, talk of challenges in that regard is a very spurious bit of business. If you’re not convinced that this method works, you’re logically concluding that under pressure - in split seconds - complexity is better than simplicity. I would strongly suggest you don’t bet your life on such a ruinous gambit. Best wishes nevertheless. 🙏
@@JKDandWingChun There are many great points and conversations here. I like a good debate. However, I am surprised at "snap-cut and move is the only battle tested method." That's clearly not true, as many FMA teachers of the past (and present) have been in real encounters without using snap cuts, as have European / HEMA martial artists of the past and Russian knife guys of the present. I would submit that snap cut and long range sniping /countering are just one strategy.
Great video but how do you apply that if attacked in a elevator or small room I know JKD deals with all ranges and fencing concepts are meanly long range with footwork
You dont, unless you are the psycho🤣. Kidding aside, you wouldnt want to pull out a knife when you are that close unless your attcker does something dumb and you have a good opportunity to pull a pocket knife out and cut them, otherwise the knife gets knocked out of your hand or you drop it because they are smashing you.
But Jason, you forget how cool the pikal or ice-pick grip is. Other than that, what you say here makes perfect sense! Another thing, for those who would feel guilty about showering their attacker's hands, forearms, and forehead with snap cuts. Not only will you live, the other guy will survive too, but will have some nasty scars. That's the coolest gift you can give to a thug. For the rest of his life, he'll be proudly showing off the scars he got knife fighting. See, there's always a bright side!
VTSifuSteve 🤣. Classic comment!!
God damn. I hope never to be in a real knife fight. But I just learned a lot that (with a lot of practice )will be welcome if it ever happens Thanks for the vid
Finally not the usual bullshit. Nice video Mister!
JKD way of the blade comes from eskrima/arnis/kali mostly from what i understand. They have to be trained properly. My GM teacher tells me the best defense against a knife is a weapon of your own.
A shield is also handy.
@@subsonic9854 Yeah, just not the human kind. ;)
@@senseiSinclair lol I guess it depends on the human...
@@subsonic9854 lol. Good point.
A pair of running shoes, lots of speed running training, learning how to scale fences and climb lampposts and climbing in general quickly,body armour,like a stab proof vest and something for the forearms and lots of MMA cage fight training for realistic understanding of actually fighting and last but not least having a weapon of your own,most probably a 🔪,but only in defence.
Defence against a knife attack is a shit deal in general,even if your just goofing around,try fighting someone armed with the TV control and the winner gets to choose the channel or something like that but nothing is good and works 100% effective all the time.
Those are valid points but don’t use a knife for an unarmed assault it only escalates and also most assailants are gonna go nuts with a knife it’s just better to run
"all you can do is stab, Are you a psycho?"
Me: ummm... Yes?
Or Italian - the Italian knife systems are all about straight stabbing and clever footwork. Simple and pragmatic.
What kind of blade fits this tekneeek best concoction cuting tips of knife right?
Hi Sifu Jason: Great video on knife self defence. I think that people often mistake exploring the art form (I practice Wing Chun [Ip Man] and PTK Kali) and self defence. I've also purchased your books...like your perspectives! Any chance of you doing a break down of Bil Jee? Thanks again for the great content!
Karen Barrett thanks so much for the support - both on RUclips and for the books! That’s awesome. And great point about practicing the art form but forgetting self-defense. As for Bui Jee, we do plan on covering it eventually as that’s such an interesting form. Not sure about our timeline yet, though...
Anyway, thanks again for the incredible support and for the input too!
Great video, Sifu Jason!
The I Love Jeet Kune Do Broadcast glad you liked it, Sifu Dwight!!! It’s an honor to have you watching!!!!
Interesting perspective. However, my personal opinion is that if someone is coming at me with a knife, their life is forfeit. I care nothing for their well-being.
Neat but needs open area and an opponent who backs off every time you strike. If he charges and stabs you while youre snap cutting, he will win.
i agree, it's kind of like how a mongoose kills a snake almost without fail. you have to feel him out a bit and see what he wants to do. if he wants to play the long game then you can take the quick strikes at what he gives you and make him pay for each move he tries to make against you. if he leaves a gap open you would hopefully take the opportunity and deal the decisive blow
@@jhanks2012 I had to think about the animal analogy a bit but yeah, I agree lol. That said, these quick strikes are not rare among long game players in tournaments. They back off, let you swing, then tap you as you come in.
The more experienced guys are more impressive. They can do the same thing with powerful strikes while backing up, angling off, or even backing off then coming back in to hit the head hard. ie, same thing but more options and much more power. The little taps being used in this video won't work with an impact weapon or with an unsharpened knife.
This guys obviously doesn't have a real knife fight experience. In the Philippines when you get into a knife fight, most of the time, you will not be dealing with only 1 opponent, believe me, you will have 3 to 10 people running coming from all directions and they will all want to stab, cut and disarm you. Real knife fight is fast and brutal. Speaking from experience you will be in constant movement: fighting, running, striking and disarming your opponent. Expect that you will be cut too but pray it won't be fatal. Be safe guys.
This guy is hilarious but 100% real
It's rapier vs saber.
Rapier wins as it is more efficient
I respectfully disagree. Just look back at medieval manuscripts and you'll see a lot of dagger attacks in the ice pick grip. Also, rondel daggers are pretty much useless in the tip-up grip.
However, I do admit that I feel more comfortable with the knife held like a sword, trying to keep my distance. However, this doesn't work that well on various types of attire (thick winter clothing, leather, biker gear, modern soldier combat gear, and obviously the good old gambeson, and obviously chain mail). A flick of a knife won't cut anything then unless you got a really hefty blade...
The tip-down grip not just allows you to stab harder, but also is more defensive. You can block incoming punches and kicks and cause some seriously nasty wounds and when the blade faces you, you can stab and cut in a pulling motion (either widening the wound or cutting the arm that just blocked the attack). Lastly, you can cut in that grip too, and in principle use your boxing combinations. A straight punch becomes a vertical cut and so does a hook (though a bit of an overkill). Hammerfists become stabs.
isnt the grip he's using incorrect, I thought your supposed to hold the knife in a fist position because if you dont and hold it like he is the knife can get knocked out of your hand easily.
Your concept of using JKD avoidance/evasive footwork with a knife has some merit. I like the wrist snap cuts. Other methods need to be employed as well such as the finger jab to the eyes and knife disarming wrist locks for close quarters situation. If the situation is a life and death matter or you are protecting someone from getting kill you will have to use stabbing or lethal stabbing to vulnerable parts of the body to shut your attacker down or unfortunately kill him. KNIVES ARE NOT FOR PLAY OR FUN!
feel bad for those who didn’t excersize their finger
The snap cut is good but understanding the blade system that JKD barrows from would help I can’t tell someone something doesn’t work and demonstrate it improperly
Cordova Combatives it’s fundamentally fencing. Of course, the blade is smaller but it follows the same principles. And since you can’t use a small blade for defense, footwork and rapid, simple counterattacks are absolutely essential.
Thanks for watching.
Same as fighting using only jabs
I disagree with the aims to hurt and maim by the defender... if someone has a knife and is trying to kill you... their intent is life and death, they clearly aren't concerned with "owies" and usually won't stop because of a few cuts, you have to respond with the same level of intent. Also, the aftermath of a knife fight is something to consider, if your attacker survives and is maimed (like they're missing fingers, can't see out of one eye, can't use a hand to work and provide, no longer have depth perception.. etc etc), even if they started it, can attempt to sue you. Even if their case is weak, if you can't afford a decent defense, you could be paying them a lot, like enough to support them for the rest of their lives.
if a knife is drawn, it's kill or die.
I try to avoid saying something is "wrong" or "incorrect" or "never happen" unless it is very dangerous to the wielder. I would say reverse grip knife is not as optimal as forward grip, but it has a time and place in training and self defense. Most of the knife training curriculum of a Kali system, is for skill development. The application should be simple.
you cutting a guy without a weapon at 8:10: "Assault with a deadly weapon". Not good.
It would have been great to see your approach of "empty hand versus knife" instead of the "knife versus empty hand".
I don't want to use a knife, I want to use a sword.
Highlander "There can be only one!"
What about the Karambit? You have to hold it in a reverse grip/hammer grip.
Then you have the Benchmade SCOP developed by Greg Thompson for US Special Forces. Again it is a straight blade but has the ring of the Karambit on it. And again it is meant to be held in a reverse/hammer grip.
Then if you look at a guy like Tu aka RÖNIN who spent 20 plus years in the military most of that special operations and working with CAG better known as Delta Force. He is an expert in combatives. If you watch this video he'll go through in the beginning and show you the different techniques but then he'll break it down to the beginner level.
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Pretty much everyone agrees that Filipino knife fighting is probably one of the best methods. yeah everything you're saying in this video goes against what that style of knife fighting says. I highly suggest you watch some of Doug Marcaida's content.
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And the other thing in your video is much like all the other JKD videos your opponent isn't doing anything is being very stagnant. With a reverse grip you need to turn the blade around which is what your opponent needs to do right now he's got more of a hammer grip but turn the blade around and now whenever you try to lunch I can easily counter that. The other thing with holding the knife the way you're holding it is that is the weakest way mechanically for the body to hold the blade. Yes you do have more range but you have less power and that creates less trauma. Now there's a time and a place to hold a blade the way you're saying but in a defensive situation I'm going to go reverse grip because it gives me A) more control B) more power.
The other problem is most of these scenarios like in this video they never show how a blade encounter really goes down. I have witnessed and have been on the receiving end of a blade encounter.the way they actually go down is 99.9% of the time the person who gets cut or stabbed doesn't know that it's going to happen. The attacker just walks up in a very non-threatening Manner and then basically precedes to sewing machine or slash wildly at the intended target. This whole mythical you draw a knife I draw knife very rarely if ever happens. The other thing then I have come to realize after 20 years of military to include USASOC and 14 years law enforcement I is that no one wins in a blade encounter. What I mean by that is yeah if you slash or cut me chances are you're probably going to get jumped by my friends if I were able to get a blade out you're going to get cut or stabbed and if I happen to be CCW more likely you're going to get shot. ever want to do a fun experiment take to large magic markers take the Caps off and then go at it with somebody set a timer for 10 seconds. The end of that 10 seconds I want you both to look at each other you're going to be covered in black dots in slashes. That's what I mean by no one wins a blade encounter. Unless you're military or law enforcement the best defense against a blade is to run away. Now if you happen to be in a place that you can legally carry a concealed firearm and that person it's far enough away from you preferably 20 feet or more the Firearms a great defense but it's not a guarantee.
Also the other problem that you have in this video is you keep saying you don't want to kill this guy. Of course you do. If you're just trying to wound this guy you're not helping yourself. Not in the confrontation and especially not in the aftermath on the legal side of it. This is why police officers Don't Shoot To Wound they shoot to eliminate the threat. Your whole concept is flawed. So what you're saying is someone is attacking you with a deadly weapon to the point you think your life is in danger so now you've pulled a knife out. Then your life wasn't in danger enough to actually defend yourself against an equal threat. In other words that guy's not trying just to hurt you he's trying to kill you because you don't know what his intent is. The advice you're giving people just to injure them is bad advice and will come back to bite you on the legal side of it. You fight to eliminate the threat. If not when you get sued and take him to court what will happen is in this has happened even the law enforcement they will sue you saying that you intentionally maimed them. And the sad thing is they won with this argument. When it comes deadly encounters meaning the individual has a weapon of some kind, you always, always, always fight to eliminate the threat. The threat is not the weapon, the threat is the individual. That's the whole point here. This mindset of I'm just going to wounfn the guy does not work, it never works. Tniis whole concept of Hollywood death is just that, Hollywood. Ehen you shoot someone even with a high-powered rifle they don't drop immediately sometimes they stagger and he run off. This Hollywood you stab somebody and 3 seconds later they're on the floor and they're dead doesn't always work that way actually I've never seen work that way. I've witnessed a guy overseas get stabbed 7 times and still kill the person who stabbed him and the guy that got stabbed lived.
In this whole concept that you're going to cut his fingers off it comical. Unless you're swinging in a very large blade like a sword or machete you're not going to cut anyone's fingers off. You're going to cut to the bone and chip the bone at best. But the hand will still function unless you sever tendons and even then the most important thing to sever would be the thumb, you can still hold a knife with no fingers as long as you have a thumb.
But this is the whole problem with JKD. JKD lives in the dark recesses of what if. Anybody who's ever been a practitioner of JKD who has come and roll with us always gets destroyed. and then when you ask them will how would you combat this or that and like why can't really do that because I permanently maim you or kill you. JKD isn't a real fighting form of any kind it's a philosophy at best but you take someone who has good experience in Jiu Jitsu and Muay Thai in Bill destroy anybody I don't care who you put in front of them Bruce Lee himself who uses JKD.
this has been shown over and over and over again we're people who practice JKD get the crap beat out of them or embarrassed. Let's not forget Lee never fought anyone in real life except for a boxing match back when he was in school. Lee was an actor that's all he was kung fu and all that other ancient Arts has been shown to be ineffective in real life. The only exceptions are Muay Thai Jiu-Jitsu to include Judo and some Karate.
nice rant!
@@VTSifuSteve Thanks! 🙏🙏🙏
Ummm…. Bruce Lee was in countless street fights and duels that almost resulted in death. He even concealed carried a revolver. Not sure what part of his history you skimmed off of but you missed a whole lot.
I was debating on saying anything, becuase most of what you is good. But then you say not to kill in mortal combat 'becuase thats not self defense'.
So 1st point overhand grip is excellent for self defense. Best way to bring the point to bear when the distance is already closed (pulled a knife while being attacked).
2nd When your fighting for your life, fight like it. It a terrible time for less effective methods. Yes go for the hand, but follow up. Dont try 1 thing then make a desicion, whole squence which becomes a sequence of decisions through live resistance training.
3rd. Nothing on stabing them in the face.
I like your idea SiFu. But there’s a better way for that. I use WC hands initially then apply FMA DISARMING Techs. Works well with me
when your partner responding the right way you would get cut
Be so good that you dont have to kill
Thanks. Certainly food for thought.
And life and death.
You can't do that in a real night fighting 😂😂😂
*knife
What if your opponent knows the snap cut
Look up videos of Lynn Thompson and Ron Balicki knife training together on youtube. Some of the best knife sparring I've seen and they both use snap cuts a lot. They both have trained and taught Eskrima but they use something more like this in their realistic sparring. Ron is actually Dan Inosanto's son-in-law, and Inosanto was a friend and student of Bruce Lee if you didn't know. Dan continued teaching a version of JKD and added Filipino martial arts to his style. Lynn was the head of Cold Steel knives until he recently sold the company.
I've always had the mentality that if I had to use a weapon on somebody unless they go to jail for the rest of their life nine times out of 10 they'll try to find a way to come back and try to get me next time when my guard is down or through family friends what about a scenario like that what do you think would it still be worth it's true let him live or should you still keep them alive only maybe cripple them or something I don't know
Run away before they come back
@@ВикторКучма-й1н 😄
If I’m in a knife fight because I’m trying to defend myself from deadly force, then I’m gonna kill the attacker. I become the attacker and will defend my right to do so in court. I’ll be alive to go to court, and more importantly, my son and wife will be alive even if I must suffer consequences of a prison sentence to defend them. Know your laws!
@@mjolnir9855 In the Heat of the Moment I understand you have no choice so I agree with you completely but at this specific moment I'm not angry and I'm not being attacked so my life is not on the line so I'm thinking clearly in that aspect of the after effect so I would just rather not be in that situation at all at all if I had to defend myself unless I know somebody saw me defending myself I think I would just rather run away and let the ambulance take care of the bad guy
Benjamin Pujols absolutely. Worst case, however, is that perhaps you’re protecting a loved one. Maybe a taser gun would work better in this situation then? I know it looks a lot better to incapacitate someone legally - and then just have a knife in case your life is on the line and the taser didn’t work.
If it’s one on one though? I guess just make sure you stay fit enough to run faster and also make a running regimen a serious part of your training. If an attacker can’t catch you, you win!!! But you’ve gotta run fast, so staying lean and fit is literally a tactical advantage.