dokter dokter, help!!!! If you cut all these loops, where do the records go? I mean; where to order, buy or steal? oh, not the last one since you seem to reside in a bunker.. But serious dokter, two or three of the loops in this clip sound cool enough for me to want to have, even tough we speak four years in the future from that point. I keep coming back to this vid, loops intruige me. I have some, found the records by chance or got them from some friend/colleague dj/turntablist. And others I created myself by putting thick pieces of tape at exactly the right place, which is difficult without a microscope like you have but my ear brings me there... I even have created one 'perfect' loop by total accident; I was painting the wall at the other side of my room, covered it except for one spot. A minescule drop of paint went troug that hole and landed exactly on a place in the record where a break was. didnt notice till weeks later when I played it. unfortunately the paint wore off, and I would like it restored. the rest of the record doesn't really matter. And I also have got some I want repared. WHERE TO REACH YOU DOKTER? THIS IS AN EMERGENCY!!!!
+Mex Wieshofer : thanx, mex. I've seen the possibillities on your site, and I'm studying on my own loop-record project. I have a question: why is it that you can put 50 or so loops on one side of a 12" while the size of the circle keeps reducing? these time measures 1,8sec/133,3bpm on 33 are all the same over the records width? I've got a record where the first track of 4.21 minutes measures 2,1cm in width and the last track, also 4.21, measures just 1,4 cm.. that's always puzzled me. how does that work? can you give me the specs for a 16 rpm record, or is that dificult or impossible? btw: I seem not to be able to join the forum. not that it matters that much, but maybe it's intresting? groeten uit Den Haag, Herb
well, the record runs at the same speed, no matter out or inside. so on the outside the groove is longer and therefore quality is better. just do the math 2r*pi on the outside of a 12 inch is approx 92 cm on the inside it goes down to 30cm groovelength available for the same signal. the space the grooves take up has got to do with recording volume and pitch settings. so theoretically you cut 5 mins of signal on one or 5 cm disk area... and sorry we do not do halfspeed (16rpm) for locked grooves. cheers mex
Thanx again, mex. I think I understand. It's puzzling tough, I never was strong on math. (On meth that would be a different story;-) But now I've got some additional questions about the length of the locked groove; you say "on 33 rpm it is 1,8 seconds and 133,3 bpm" is that exact in measure, or are there some more digits behind the comma? Because with these couple of locked groove records I've got I often get the feeling (and I can hear) on the long run they don't maintain the measure. I've played them besides other records, electronic music and with the pitch disabled (on Quartz) offcourse and they always seem to run away or stay behind at some point beyond the 46th or 52nd count. Is that because they were not, say, delivered properly to the cutting house? Or is this a result of microseconds adding up? What's your thought on this, I wonder.. And since there is software available nowadays where this can be secured until at least 6 digits behind the comma, could you give me the most precise amount of second/bpm you can come up with? Great stuff!
don't think too much! figure: a massive diamant or saphire is dropping down on the record, digs in, reaches the fina ldepth, cuts a groove, 1,8 secs later it's pulldd up again. hopefully at the exact spot where just dug in. there is forces involeved here. so the 000 commas are not gonna help you. we like to cut 3 loops of the same material next to each other. they all we be slightly different -and cool.
Nothing stupid here, glad to find this channel, thanks for sharing.
great xplanation Dr. Dub - thanks alot und Viva Vinyl !
dokter dokter, help!!!!
If you cut all these loops, where do the records go?
I mean; where to order, buy or steal? oh, not the last one since you seem to reside in a bunker.. But serious dokter, two or three of the loops in this clip sound cool enough for me to want to have, even tough we speak four years in the future from that point.
I keep coming back to this vid, loops intruige me. I have some, found the records by chance or got them from some friend/colleague dj/turntablist. And others I created myself by putting thick pieces of tape at exactly the right place, which is difficult without a microscope like you have but my ear brings me there...
I even have created one 'perfect' loop by total accident; I was painting the wall at the other side of my room, covered it except for one spot. A minescule drop of paint went troug that hole and landed exactly on a place in the record where a break was. didnt notice till weeks later when I played it.
unfortunately the paint wore off, and I would like it restored. the rest of the record doesn't really matter. And I also have got some I want repared.
WHERE TO REACH YOU DOKTER?
THIS IS AN EMERGENCY!!!!
+herby rietveld : or emergency services are open 24 hours at www.drdub.com !
+Mex Wieshofer : thanx, mex.
I've seen the possibillities on your site, and I'm studying on my own loop-record project.
I have a question: why is it that you can put 50 or so loops on one side of a 12" while the size of the circle keeps reducing? these time measures 1,8sec/133,3bpm on 33 are all the same over the records width?
I've got a record where the first track of 4.21 minutes measures 2,1cm in width and the last track, also 4.21, measures just 1,4 cm.. that's always puzzled me.
how does that work?
can you give me the specs for a 16 rpm record, or is that dificult or impossible?
btw: I seem not to be able to join the forum. not that it matters that much, but maybe it's intresting?
groeten uit Den Haag,
Herb
well, the record runs at the same speed, no matter out or inside. so on the outside the groove is longer and therefore quality is better. just do the math 2r*pi on the outside of a 12 inch is approx 92 cm on the inside it goes down to 30cm groovelength available for the same signal.
the space the grooves take up has got to do with recording volume and pitch settings. so theoretically you cut 5 mins of signal on one or 5 cm disk area...
and sorry we do not do halfspeed (16rpm) for locked grooves.
cheers mex
Thanx again, mex. I think I understand. It's puzzling tough, I never was strong on math. (On meth that would be a different story;-)
But now I've got some additional questions about the length of the locked groove; you say "on 33 rpm it is 1,8 seconds and 133,3 bpm" is that exact in measure, or are there some more digits behind the comma?
Because with these couple of locked groove records I've got I often get the feeling (and I can hear) on the long run they don't maintain the measure. I've played them besides other records, electronic music and with the pitch disabled (on Quartz) offcourse and they always seem to run away or stay behind at some point beyond the 46th or 52nd count.
Is that because they were not, say, delivered properly to the cutting house? Or is this a result of microseconds adding up?
What's your thought on this, I wonder..
And since there is software available nowadays where this can be secured until at least 6 digits behind the comma, could you give me the most precise amount of second/bpm you can come up with?
Great stuff!
don't think too much!
figure: a massive diamant or saphire is dropping down on the record, digs in, reaches the fina ldepth, cuts a groove, 1,8 secs later it's pulldd up again. hopefully at the exact spot where just dug in. there is forces involeved here. so the 000 commas are not gonna help you.
we like to cut 3 loops of the same material next to each other. they all we be slightly different -and cool.
bpm
Thank you for this great job! But i would be happier if you could use animation in the videos, thanks...