simply compare the weights of EVs to similar classed ICE vehicles and you will see how the vehicles are all within a close range of weight. its not just the engine and gas weight either. also, search the weights of various popular ICE trucks and SUVs like ford exploer, tahoe, F150 from years 2003, 2013, 2023 and you will see that every single one increased in weight over the years. EVs are not the weight problem. compare a model Y to a ford explorer or ford edge, or bmw X3 and X5 compare a model S to a bmw 7 series or mercedes S class compare a model 3 to a bmw 3 or 5 series, mercedes C or E class. you will find the weights are extremely similar. a model 3 vs a toyota camry is heavier than the camry, but a model 3 is considered a luxury car, which would compare to bmw or mercedes, and those too are heavier than a camry anyways. EV CARS and Small SUVs are not the weight problem, but compared to large vehicles such as full size suv and pickup they most certainly are heavier. @rohandhanota9944
@@muskrat3291 Please give me source of why is a myth. Many parking lots were designed when cars was arond 1500kg at most. Now we starting to see cars double the weight, which makes the stress on the buildings higher + the years have worn the structure a bit.
@@JamieStLouis-tu9ml what is wow? common sense? you know you would do anything to prove ev's are the greatest when you name yourself musk-rat, and spread misinformation. about parking garages, its even been in the news,.
@@JamieStLouis-tu9ml This is from CNBC for example "“This extra load and the changing fire safety requirements are all considerations not just for new car parks, but for existing structures too,” said the London-based Institution of Structural Engineers." please contact them instead about that they are wrong.
And all these additional pot holes are repaired by tarmac/asphalt patching made with fossil fuels transported by diesel vehicles. They really didn't think the whole EV thing through.........You couldn't make this stuff up!
Of course it was thought through, but you lack understanding. All new technology is created with existing technology. There is no way around it. The light bulb was created by candle light. The first Ford assembly plant was built with materials delivered by horse and wagon. The engineers who created the first electronic calculator made their calculations on slide rules. Caterpillar, Komatsu, John Deere, Volvo, Epiroc, Sandvik, Hitachi, GE, and many others all manufacture electric construction and mining equipment. Diesel is slowly being replaced with electric, which outperforms diesel at a much lower operating cost and they are much more efficient. Also, there is a big difference between burning fossil fuels and making things out of fossil fuels.
@@muskrat3291electric vehicles are not new technology. There were over 1000 auto manufacturers at the start of the 1900. The overwhelming majority of them were focusing solely on electric vehicles which was bad technology compared to internal combustion engines. All focusing on electric went bankrupt.
Only 4% of crude oil is used to make things other than burnable fuel. Despite what the fossil fuel industry say its perfectly possible to make only non burnable products when refining. So a 96% reduction is good.
And more fuel to clean the hole, propane to heat the bitumin primer, oil/propane heat for the hot-fill and, for more permanant patches, still more fuel to pre-heat the pothole itself.
I gave a thumbs up. But there is, for one example, the three wheel solar powered electric Aptera Launch. Have you ever seen it? It’s ultra lightweight and aerodynamic! But it can only go 40 miles a day from a full solar charge(700W). Want to go further in a day? You’d need to plug in after those 40 miles.
@@jimmyrichards5595 I’ve seen it. In my state three wheeled vehicles are classified as motorcycles. It’s more of a novelty vehicle, definitely not an everyday driver. But I get your point.
That and none have been sold yet as the date of first delivery keeps getting put off one more year, every year, for years. They create a new tech hurdle every year, making it need more investment money from the reservists to get their car....but you're in on the ground floor of "this great deal." Problem is...even if mass produced (and I hope people get their pod bike carlet) it is an extra car. You don't reduce environmental impact by having redundant appliances.
I used to have a 1985 Honda CRX which weighed 2,100 pounds and ran on 185 tires on 13 inch rims. I drove the heck out of it and the tires still lasted 50,000 miles.
The issue is pretty easy to understand. As vehicle weights increase the rubber compounds are harder and the sidewall is made stiffer to carry the required weight. Its simple physics. Heavier vehicle , harder rubber compounds and stiffer side walls equal more wear to the road surface.
@@CarCoachReports Would really like to see a follow up to the recent video you did on the Gov agencies involved in turning a blind eye to the bogus numbers being used to calculate battery range on EV's. Great channel.
😂🤣 I'm not a fan of EVs. But, that study is questionable. Then, 18 wheeler trucks, dodge 1500-5500, ambulance, fedex, UPS, Amazon vans etc also would cause damage. I think the EU UK just don't build decent roads and now their economy is heading towards a depression...going to get worse. I still love ICE and Hybrids.
The electric vehicles way more makes perfect sense to me. Batteries by nature are heavy for their size and that's pretty much for any battery out there so is no surprise that EV are going to be harder on our roads and our infrastructure like bridges over passes, and guard rails I see a lot of people on here commenting that we need to build better roads and we need to do all of that sort of thing. Well where do you think the money for that's going to come from? That's right. You and me the general taxpayer further. How is asphalt made? Was it made from that's right? Petroleum and how does it get there to diesel powered trucks? And then you got the diesel powered equipment that lays the asphalt down. You got the diesel powered road craters and you got the diesel powered bulldozers that help build the roads. So as far as I'm concerned if you buy an EV You should be paying more in tags than somebody who owns and ICE vehicle some other foods without is this currently. Right now there is 166.1 million commercial trucks registered in United States and there is however 292.3 million passenger cars registered in United States has of 2023. 2023 so when you sit there and you say that the big rigs 18 wheelers tear up the roads. Yeah they do wear the roads down but there's fewer big rigs running around doing what they do which is delivering everything that we eat everything. We wear everything. We drive everything. We buy everything we make our lives with and there 's way more passenger cars out there running around so just a little food for thought
@@slantfish65sd Kentucky and four addition states have passed legislation to add tax to charging for EV's and addition EV tax at registration. Expect all states to follow .
They will likely hold off on taxing electricity for road maintenance until most vehicles on the road are EVs, then watch the taxes come in to replace the lost revenue from gasoline and Diesel.
I've been trying to convince myself to buy an EV for years but it just isn't time. Right now the EV tax in Calif. is only $108. A great deal for an EV driver since an ICE car going the average 13,500/yr pays $426 (based on the lousy average fuel economy of sedans & wagons built in 2021 of 31.7 mpg). The kWh for driving those miles in a Model 3 is only 54% of fuel of an ICE car, assuming only charging at home. Good stuff---I can do that! Of course once the consumable battery wear/renewal is factored in at $1333/year all of my savings evaporates. Still a toy for the rich----so far.
The goal is to forbid people to own individual transportation vehicles, so we will be completely dependent on public transportation, which will work with cards that can be deactivated if the person have ideas or opinions ours WEF overlords don't approve or like.
EVs pretty much never use brakes, one pedal driving. even hybrids brakes dont wear out as fast as a gas vehicle (gas vehicle 40-50k, hybrids can go 100k depending on habits). educate yourself before commenting fud. @@bourbonlover7158
Not necessarily, trucks can only be a certain weight. In the US that limit is 80,000lbs for a 5 axle truck. Trucks may have an exception, trucks with an APU can go 80,400. As she stated residential streets are built to a different standard. That why you see truck are allowed only up to a certain weight UNLESS they are making a local delivery. EVs are also chewing through tires because of their weight, sometime only getting half of the warranty mileage. I have a medium SUV and I routinely get my warranty mileage(usually 70,000) or more simply by rotating them with every oil change. These EVs are sometimes 1,000lbs heavier which increase tire wear. Also, driving habits affect this as well. Sorry, got off on a bit of a tangent. Highways will be less affected, only the city streets will see more damage.
@@kennethboyer2338 yes but just because the truck is heavier that mean that’s the load by default has to be light to stay within that 80k restriction that’s still means that’s the weight of the tractor unit compared to the diesel engine counter part is still heavier because if the batteries still incurring road damage
The problem is an EV traveling fast over a pothole might scratch the battery and it's goodbye EV either via repair or thermo runaway a few weeks later.
You might want to talk to actual EV owners instead of believing these myths. My insurance went up by approximately $20 per month over my previous all wheel drive gas vehicle. But that is easily offset by no oil changes. Tires wear the same as gas vehicles. Except the first set may wear out faster because it is so much damn fun leaving gas vehicles in my dust.
According to swedish car magazine "Teknikens värld" who talked to tire dealers, they had to replace EV tires more often. Weight + lots of torque from zero rpm was why it eats it tires. So even if you have a big ICE car with the same weight you dont get the same instant torque. The cost of EV tires was also higher so in some cases,just the tire cost on those ev's were like the fuel for a ice car lol. Economical!.
@@muskrat3291 $20 a month was nothing. My Mini Cooper SE EV was $1400 a year, compared to $400 a year for the normal ice version, but I know Tesla has some good insurance if you use Teslas own insurance, so it depends on type of EV if its good or bad I guess. No oil changes? My last car had free services for 90000km, so I did not pay anything for oil changes :) But you actually have lots of fluids in a EV that needs to be serviced, you even have oil in some of them for gears. And seeing the prices for services on a VW EV, you start to wonder why they charge so much for doing basicly nothing. Last time it was like $250 / service, thats more than a oil change if you pay it yourself.
Or in reality BEVs do not cause significantly more road damage. Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.4% more weight.
I’m not talking just potholes, the highway itself is not even level. There are MASSIVE tire indentations INTO the concrete. So if you try to change lanes, it’s like you’re hitting a curb. How fucked up is this
take the most popular models and compare weights from 2000-2010-2020 and you will see just about every SUV has gained weight. then compare to the best selling EVs weights and you will see who really weighs more.
In recent years, manufacturers have increasingly used plastic and aluminum to reduce the weight of vehicles, making them more efficient. Then EVs came and added hundreds of extra kilograms because of the batteries.
yea but look at every single vehicle made since the 90s to now, and every single vehicle has increased in weight. and many EVs when compared to similar sized and class of vehicle are not really all that much heavier, and in some cases lighter too. compare a model Y to a lexus RX350, or a BMW X3/X5 and you will be shocked at how all these vehicles are within similar weights of each other.
@@baldisaerodynamic9692 Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs. 5.4% weight difference. Is that similar enough?
Wow, Lauren, I just found your channel and really appreciate your ability to do a brief report and make sense of things quickly and succinctly. Great channel host.
Umm throttle mapping and motor controllers exist. You can put an EV in non sports mode and gain more RANGE eminency not using the high torque all the time. ICE cars have driver modes too. Maybe learn how cars work first.
I am not surprised!!!. I was thinking the other week that there is potholes more than usual here!, not to mention they redo the asphalt like every 4 years.. so I guess its a mix of worse asphalt quality and heavier cars (both ev and ice). I used to live in a place where they used high quality asphalt (the roads were supposed to be able to land jet fighters on, in case of war), and never remembered I saw a pothole back then.. now it is everywhere. Need a monster truck soon to be able to not damage wheel alignment and suspension of the car.
What a bunch of absurd nonsense. Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.41% more weight. "Existing infrastructure simply was not built to accommodate EVs" Then the infrastructure was not designed for ICE cars also.
They're super heavy SOBs. Our shop lifts can barely hold them. Their tires wear down so much quicker than gas powered vehicles and if you watch a crash test of these monstrosities - they can blast through not one but TWO Jersey Barriers.
What a bunch of absurd nonsense. Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.41% more weight. If your lift can't hold them, then your lift is useless. Can't even work on ICE cars.
Total BS. The top selling EV is the Tesla model 3, it weighs about 4,400 lbs. The Ford F-150 pickup, about 4,300 and up EMPTY. Ford Explorer, about 4,400 lbs. Dodge RAM Pickup, 7,000 and up EMPTY. There are a lot more pickups on the road than EVs and have been around for decades, but somehow pot holes are the fault of EVs. We have fleets of delivery trucks, thinks FedEx and UPS, how many of those are there and how much do they weight, a lot more than EVs. But again it is always the EV's fault. Our roads were designed to handle commercial vehicles that weight a lot more than any EV. Gee, I wonder who could be behind these bull sh*t lies!
Ev's pulling away at speed may have some impact, but heavier vehicle does place more stress on the road and is greater than you think. This increased stress is all of the time when driving not just when accelerating and decelerating. There is a rule called the fourth power law that is used to calculate the stress that weight puts on roads, it states that the stress on the road caused by the motor vehicle increases in proportion to the fourth power of the axle load. The correlation between weight and stress placed on the road is logarithmic, not linear.
What a bunch of absurd nonsense, you do realize most EVs have very programmable throttle mapping Driving Modes. Exploiting Sport mode also Decreases Range thus it incentivizes people to keep it in controlled torque mode. An EV in non sport mode is not going to have more damaging instant torque than an equivalent ICE car.
@@TheAllEngineering Regardless if the relationship is non linear, when the weight difference is 5.4%. Even with a logarithmic ratio the outcome is still a tiny difference. Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs
those delivery trucks do not weight that much actually (if we talk about something like a MB Vito) they are around 3ton fully loaded, but you also have bigger contact patch cause of the tires on the ground, and 1 / 20 of the torque. If you see a big truck they usually have more than 4 tires, and every extra tire distribute the wheight of the cars on a bigger surface.. that is why you can use tennis rackets as shoes in high snow without sinking.
@@AndrewTSq 3 tons loaded is still a lot more than an EV loaded. And also EV's do have on average those bigger tyres and contact surface. And torque is not important. Only how much torque is used. And I know that ev drivers do brake much more quietly as most ice cars...because regenerating guarantees slower braking ...that means LESS friction between wheels and asphalt.
The Telegraph is not a research organization; it is a conservative British newspaper that regularly runs articles claiming that EVs are a bad idea for one reason or another. The Telegraph did not produce any data showing that EVs damage roads more than gas cars-they only speculated that this will be true because of the increased weight of EVs, and they applied a formula to estimate the amount of damage based on weight. According to that same formula, a Ford F150 causes about 6 times the road damage of a Honda Civic, and 3 times the damage caused by a Chevy Bolt EV. I don't know if those numbers are correct or not, but it doesn't seem to stop us driving our F150s. A few years ago, there were concerns that EVs would wear out tires much more quickly than gas cars because of their higher torque, and estimates were made on how much more tire dust that would create. We now have real data from replacement tire sales on how long EV tires last and it turns out that EV tires are not wearing out significantly quicker than gas vehicle tires, so that problem turned out not to exist. It may turn out that EVs do cause a significant increase in road damage-we'll have to wait to see some real data to know.
Thank you for posting this. Just what we need in this garbage economy, more taxes :( It is an amazing thing when people actually follow the science. Also because of their increased weight, EVs chew through tires faster than internal combustion vehicles. Combine this with the increased damage and potential structural failure of multi-level parking structures, bridges and over passes due to the extra weight of EVs and you are talking about some serious potential harm to people. Doesn't sound too safe for the environment to me and that is not even including the hazardous fires from EV batteries that go into thermal runaway. It is one thing when people's lack of insight causes them to pay more to cover for their mistakes. It is a whole other thing when I have to help pay for the mistakes of someone else especially during a time when I am having a hard enough time trying to provide for my own family. If we really cared for the environment and wanted to get off fossil fuels we would invest in companies like Carbon Engineering who spent the last 12+ years developing the technology to pull CO2 out of the air and recycle it to make clean burning fuel for every internal combustion engine with little to no modification. Recycling CO2 like water is recycled. No need to buy new and expensive EVs with their toxic and environmentally unsafe batteries because we can clean the emissions of internal combustion cars by cleaning the fuel. Better yet we can use the existing gasoline fuel station infrastructure to get it out to customers. No need to make new charging stations.
LOL you have perfectly copy and pasted all the falsehood Anti EV propaganda into a tight paragraph. You are a one stop shop brainwashing machine. 1. The weight difference between a Mercedes C220d and Model 3 LR is 5.41%. Don't you dare ignore mathematical Facts. 2. Bridges and Car Parks will have zero effect from 5.41% heavier passenger cars when they are design for heavier class of vehicles. 3, Thermal Runaway Battery fires are soo freakishly rare and only fear mongerd because a False Rerporting of fires. Both the Luton Terminal Car Park 2 and Fermantle Highway RORO Ship was not majorly attributed BEV on fires. About 40% of the BEVs on Freemantly could drive on their own power out of the ship. While a 1/3 were heavily damaged from external fires but the battery packs and anything lower than wheel arch was not compromised. Luton Airport case was simply not where BEVs were located. EV Chargers are in Terminal 1 Car Park. Cases like these erroneous reporting is why people can be brainwashed into believing BEVs thermal runaway is more common than reality. This is no mistake your statement are falsehoods and wrong. You are intentionally spamming misinformation which defy facts.
"during a time when I am having a hard enough time trying to provide for my own family." Keep relying on CRUDE OIL as a major source of energy use, as you keep wondering why Products and Service cost soo much.
@@Neojhun Or we can invest in companies like Carbon Engineering who spent the last 12+ years developing the technology to pull CO2 out of the air and recycle it to make clean burning fuel for every internal combustion engine with little to no modification.
We in the USA who use ICE engine vehicles already pay taxes for road and highway maintenance at the fuel and gas pumps. The bigger and heavier the vehicle the more fuel gets pumped and more tax $$$ is paid... In other words, we with ICE vehicles have already been paying our fair share of 'road taxes' every time we pay at the pump. Charging the EV's should also be taxed for some amount per KWh just like ICE vehicles do for fuel at the pump for the 'unit' which here in USA is per gallon for fossil fuel and KWh for electricity. Furthermore, because the Pro-EV folks who are already into [the] 'high-tech' things etc. like their EVs, should understand that charging their EV at home will be also eventually be 'taxed' separately from their domestic home uses and the 'road tax' will be at the same rate as for charging the EV at at a charging station in their local area... ...Remember the "Smart Meters"?... ...Yes, it would not at all be too much of a stretch for the utility's smart meter to also read the home charging station's usage to tell exactly how much KWh charging their EV is used and there could be a way include the tax that the utility company bills to their EV charging costumers to be paid directly into the road and highway maintenance coffers.
Unfortunately, taxes earmarked for one purpose are often used for other purposes - and the general public are none the wiser. Govt always steals money from one acct to bolster another acct - or perhaps used for other 'nefarious' purposes of which we will never know about. They always want more revenue, more revenue, more revenue - mostly to give themselves ever increasing salaries, benefits and comfortable retirement plans - at our expense.
"Remember the "Smart Meters". But Solar Panels and VAWTs exist. Your silly political theories ignores how electricity works and other non metered sources exists. You are soo brainwashed by political agenda you have no clue how electrical engineering works.
Because you have been brainwashed into inventing fictional problems. Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.41% more weight
EV's have more torque, Torque equals more stress on the roads and tires. Add the weight issue and the fossil fuel use to fix roads along with the long list of other environmental impacts and all of sudden EV's equal if not surpass the environmental impact of other fuel options.
Petrol car owners are more used to brake late...making more torque for decelerating than EV owners with regenerating and thus braking some slower. Accelerating. An EV may have a bigger maximum torque but on average he is NOT using all that torque. If he did he would immediatly crash into the back of the car in front. And about weight..My EV is the same weight as comparable sized petrol cars. And that is logical. A battery weighs about 4 kg / kwh. a 75KWH battery is 300 kg. Add to that the management system, batterycooling and the total will go to 350 kg. My EV does NOT need a separate chassis. The battery case is also the chassis. My EV does not have a heavy petrol/diesel engine, does not have all needed components around that engine(waterpumps, alternator, oil pump, cooling radiator), also not a clutch system and not a transmission (automatic transmission is also a heavy piece of material), but only a lightweight electrical motor. And de ev does not have a petrol tank ( 80 kg for 80 liters...including tank weight. Cumulativ the end result is about the same weight for ICE and EV , especially in the higher car segment. (SUV, crossover)
What a bunch of absurd nonsense. Damaging high torque only occurs in performance / sport modes. Exploiting such performance Reduces RANGE and efficiency. There is already an incentive to deter people using the damaging high torque mode. You do realize Driving Modes and motor throttle mapping is a thing? You argument ignores basic functions of EVs.
Yes, it's wrong that in the UK for us, you don't pay road tax if EV? But, they are destroying the roads. Is that the plan, so they don't get repaired 😮
Tax by mileage and weight sounds reasonable to me even without EV's. TODAY that would NOT mean everyone is paying taxes just the folks with heavier vehicles. Texas's pre-2023 registration fees appear to do that. Post 2023 however EV's fees jumped $200 a year which when I did the math often EV owners are likely subsidizing the damage gas cars do, not the other way around. Fun fact from the TCEQ study that justified the $200 fee. The averge gas vehicle weight in Texas is higher than the average EV weight likely due to the popularity of trucks.
Here in Australia, we are suffering a plague of potholes and degraded road surfaces. EV owners pay nothing for road maintenance, petrol and diesel car owners pay via fuel taxes of approximately 50 cents a litre, which is supposed to go towards roads.
Electrics do not necessarily have to be so heavy. Tesla model Ys and 3s are not any heavier than many Luxury brand ICE Cars. As Energy Density of batteries improve, BEVs will become lighter. Brake dust is also less of a problem.
the facts they omit that pretty much every vehicle since the 90s has increased in weight. compare a 90s rav 4 to a new one and new one weighs nearly 1000 pounds more. and this is only for ICE models, every car has basically increased in weight.
Actually Model 3 is heavier than it's ICE equivalent. Exactly 5.41% heavier. Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs Soo the difference in road damage is negligible.
More extreme cold in winter along with more extreme heat in summer that is literally melting or warping some roads in some places aren't helping either. A street two corners from my apartment got completely redone only two years ago and it is already full of potholes due to warping in summer causing bumps and valleys that get gouged out by snow plows in winter.
In Iceland EVs must pay km tax now and Hybrid to but a lower tax, here in Sweden they are blaming climate change for the increase of potholes no surprise for me.
You have made some valid points in your comparison of the weight differences between Electric and Ice vehicles. However Pure battery electric vehicles are about 1 percent of all vehicles sold in the US. As it stands now and in the past US roads are not always the greatest, because of the extreme changes in this country's seasonal weather and temperature changes. Maybe this speaks to our lack of enthusiasm for advancing materials used for our Infrastructure as it relates to wear and tear, expansion, and contraction. Our stupid choices to make America a two dimensional only people mover transportation system is also a factor. Sometimes change can be scary to people who have only experienced a particular type of technology as the dominant factor. The most powerful democracy America deserves a true multi modal, and multi powered transportation system working together.
Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.41% more weight. Roads are very much designed to handle this tiny difference. You figured out wrongly.
The shape of tyres has changed dramatically in the last 30 years. The shape of the contact patch has gone from oval to more rectangular. This makes the tyres roll with less drag/squirm on dry roads but increases the hydraulic forces pushing water into roads in the rain. Water forced into any crack in the road surface causes potholes. The 4th power rule of axel weight also applies. Unforeseen consequences, Be careful what we wish for!!
EV- 2023 Porsche Taycan/Curb weight 4,568 to 5,119 lbs EV- 2023 Tesla Model S/Curb weight 4,561 to 4,766 lbs ICE- 2023 Porsche Panamera/Curb weight 4,222 to 4,839 lbs not exactly earth shattering weight differences like they are crying about are they
Ever seen what the buggy wheels that amish people use does to roads? Those skinny wheels dig little grooves in the road that will catch your motorcycle tires.
It's a tough call: CO2 pollution is real, but California is a good example where the 5th largest economy can't even keep their roads properly maintained. If we had more energy dense batteries then we wouldn't need to oversize the battery packs, which is what contributes to the extra GVWR.
Maybe it should be added to the purchase of pickup trucks which weigh as much as an EV. Many pickups weigh a lot more EMPTY than EVs, some twice as much. And there are a lot more of them. Should we also charge companies that run fleets of delivery vehicles such FedEx, UPS and others. How much do those delivery trucks weigh?
@@muskrat3291 I was actually making a tongue in cheak comment. Not really for further taxation of the people. It just seemed to fit with how the goverment does things.
I am not suprised that they are going to hit with more taxes. I am in Canada, i have native status and when i fill up on a reserve i get a tax break of 3 out of 6 taxes, its approximately 25 to 30% less.. cant say how much the other 3 taxes are but the point i am getting at is the have to recuperate those taxes on the EV, gas car taxes flow massive income, they need the same income. We all know that during that conversion of how they going to get that $$ back they are going to take more making us think that its about the same... I can see taxes like eco taxes (like tv), wear and tare of the roads.... they will have not limits in what they will apply. Simple example is when our gas got converted from $ per gallon to $ to liters if you did the math they did and increase during the process and said no no.. its the same amount converted.
I like the ideal but I think the vehicle (newer ones) will still be tracking your mileage. Today's displays are just that vs. the old cabled odometers where that would work. Everything is captured via computers and the data shown to users.
@@M3fPCGFJSGDlORUbZAwK Anything with a screen can be tracked. My grandson tracks his wife and mother and sees everything they text. Yes creepy isn't he? Buy a used car from a lot quit making payments the tow truck comes right to the hiding spot. Self driving cars will drive to an impound lots for non-payment. I'm 70 and have a 96 Silverado with a 94 lifted Jeep and can happily say I will probably be dead before the schlitz hits the fan.
So these are additional costs that we SHOULDN’T have to pay as there’s no need for a “widespread adoption” of EVs. If that was a market force instead of a mandate, it would be different, but as it is this is an additional cost being forced upon us.
EV did not pay road tax for a long time despite their higher curb weight. This favoritism has to stop. EV needs to pay their fair share for road maintenance.
The tesla y model battery weight 750kg The Mercedes 2.0 diesel engine weighs 200 kg. The petrol engine less. Not only the roads getting extra wear .the suspension of EV cant keep up. The tyres getting used more quickly
no, low profile tires, weight, AWD, and higher performance wear out tires faster. and thats not an EV only thing. ICE cars have these configurations too.
Once a pothole has started, hitting the edges with a heavier vehicle will accelerate pothole growth. They say EVs have tremendous potential to accelerate, I guess they were right.
Meanwhile in Reality, a Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.4% more weight. That tiny percentage difference has negligible difference in road damage.
Your information is interesting have you done a road report for Canada please reach out to the ministry of transportation hello from oakville Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
And the roads that aren't important to interstate commerce are already badly neglected, forcing even ICE vehicle users to upgrade to heavier, more robust vehicles that can take the beating. The rugged avenue my private drive lets onto was supposed to be resurfaced and widened for bike lanes in 2017, they really made big deal of the plans. It has since been postponed twice, and then cancelled; this in spite of the highest fuel taxes in the nation.
It's obvious as they are double the weight. The heavier the car the more damage. the asphalt rolls under heavy road just like any other surface when you drive on it. sure it recovers quickly but after a long period of times the grave under it shifts and that's how you get potholes.
Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.41% more weight. 5.41% Extra weight is very very far from double the weight. The heavier car in this case has negligible difference in road damage. As the weight difference is soo tiny.
It's lbs PSI not just overall mass. A 18 wheeler has a large distributed contact patch. A 6000lb F150 does not. An Amish buggy and retired race horse is murder on pavement digging pots and grooves that have to be patched. See it for yourself in Lancaster Penn or Vanore Tenn
All vehicles that are heavy eventually cause road damage. I drive down a road that was not re-enforced to have semi trucks drive down it 50+ time a day and you can see where most of them drive over and over the same paths. So its not just a EV problem, its a weight and build quality of the road. Why are most roads asphalt, cause its cheap to build and repair. Why are cement freeways not used as roads, expensive to build.
Yes I agree this new way of taxing any vehicles including the wretched EV's was to anyone with more than one brain cell so obvious from the first introduction of EV's. I live in rural Australia where the road system is already in an absolutely disgraceful state of build in the first instance and more so of lack of repair to those roads, and EV's are just going to exacerbate this growing problem..
EVs cause more road damage while at the same time EV owners pay ZERO in road maintenance taxes in most places. Those taxes are a percentage of the cost of each gallon of gasoline that we buy. That percentage goes into a road maintenance fund. Since EV owners buy no gasoline, they pay none of the taxes. So unless they live in a place where they are billed extra for road use, they get away scot-free.
Nobody seemed to care about the heavier gas/diesel cars and pickups vs lighter ICE vehicles. The better safety was always emphasized. Road taxes should have been based on vehicle weight all along. Too damn many F250s rolling around with just a driver and nothing in the bed.
All of the benefits of EVs have MORE risks and downsides that are not apparent initially! They are like a Trojan horse in most cases! Reliability is that of a Bic lighter, works great till it doesn't!😂😂😂
I get EV vehicles weigh by the ton. Yet. When was the last time they 100% replaced your street? The roads in our towns and cities were done once. When they first did them. Nothing lasts forever. Just don't tell the Government. They can't comprehend it. We know it. My street is going fast. Someone using it must have an EV. I never saw so many pot holes. They resurfaced it last year. It doesn't hold up. Pot holes all over.
And the Green keeps turning Browner... Yep EVs being green has plopped into a big pile of Crap! Add it all up and they're actually worse for the environment too.
EV should pay double the road tax….in London they are being charged upto 1800% more to park because of the damage they cause….and the huge amount of pollution they cause in manufacturing…….
These roads need to be able to withstand the weather and traffic changes. They used to blame it on the 18 wheelers , now they blame it on electric vehicles. Who ever the engineers are need to look at this issue before they build the roads. A stronger road base structure would be a good start.
I think this studies a bit of a sham, really and average 51 kW model 3EV weighs 1600 kg compared to 1500 kg for a six cylinder sedan, which is probably ways less than SUV, which tend to dominate Sales in mini markets, including the US. Unfortunately you’ve been sucked in by Study which I doubt is very scientifically based. I’m not sure how you would go about determining the amount of repairs that can be directly contributed to EV‘s and unless you had a town that was exclusively EV centric and compare that to where the excluded
I’m sure the idea behind EVs is to reduce the overall number of vehicles. EVs are more expensive and less durable with battery degradation - and will stay that way. Therefore - we have less overall cars. So road wear overall should be same. Clearly some people will like the idea of less crowded roads. The fact the roads are wrecked and the economy will suffer due to lack of personal mobility seems have slipped past the WEF planners 😢
School buses are the mass transit where I live. There is a county van that will come get me for 25$ one way. Wilmington NC is the nearest big town has MT, but the buses only run until 10 pm can't rely on this for people that work.
@@terrancecloverfield6791 Public transportation is scary enough these day. If it ever becomes commonplace, you'll be hearing many more stories about riders being robbed, beaten and terrorized. Buses will be the new 7/11 one stop robbery centers. That's why I'll never use public transportation - unless I'm armed.
www.energylivenews.com/2023/06/27/evs-cause-twice-the-road-damage-of-petrol-vehicles-study-reveals/
www.npr.org/2023/01/11/1148483758/ntsb-heavy-electric-vehicles-safety-risks
so much lack of information and variables in this pothole/road damage "study"
So if a heavy EV hits a light gas that's bad but if a heavy gas car hits a light gas car that's ok. Makes no sense
Let's just cherry pick to suit our agenda eh. There is no data to back up study and ev's are not 300kg heavier
simply compare the weights of EVs to similar classed ICE vehicles and you will see how the vehicles are all within a close range of weight.
its not just the engine and gas weight either.
also, search the weights of various popular ICE trucks and SUVs like ford exploer, tahoe, F150 from years 2003, 2013, 2023 and you will see that every single one increased in weight over the years. EVs are not the weight problem.
compare a model Y to a ford explorer or ford edge, or bmw X3 and X5
compare a model S to a bmw 7 series or mercedes S class
compare a model 3 to a bmw 3 or 5 series, mercedes C or E class.
you will find the weights are extremely similar.
a model 3 vs a toyota camry is heavier than the camry, but a model 3 is considered a luxury car, which would compare to bmw or mercedes, and those too are heavier than a camry anyways.
EV CARS and Small SUVs are not the weight problem, but compared to large vehicles such as full size suv and pickup they most certainly are heavier.
@rohandhanota9944
Parking garages draw new concerns too.
Another popular myth. Now who could be spreading these lies? Maybe some group that has a financial interest that is being threatened by EVs?
@@muskrat3291 Please give me source of why is a myth. Many parking lots were designed when cars was arond 1500kg at most. Now we starting to see cars double the weight, which makes the stress on the buildings higher + the years have worn the structure a bit.
Oh wow.!@@AndrewTSq
@@JamieStLouis-tu9ml what is wow? common sense? you know you would do anything to prove ev's are the greatest when you name yourself musk-rat, and spread misinformation. about parking garages, its even been in the news,.
@@JamieStLouis-tu9ml This is from CNBC for example "“This extra load and the changing fire safety requirements are all considerations not just for new car parks, but for existing structures too,” said the London-based Institution of Structural Engineers." please contact them instead about that they are wrong.
And all these additional pot holes are repaired by tarmac/asphalt patching made with fossil fuels transported by diesel vehicles. They really didn't think the whole EV thing through.........You couldn't make this stuff up!
Of course it was thought through, but you lack understanding. All new technology is created with existing technology. There is no way around it. The light bulb was created by candle light. The first Ford assembly plant was built with materials delivered by horse and wagon. The engineers who created the first electronic calculator made their calculations on slide rules. Caterpillar, Komatsu, John Deere, Volvo, Epiroc, Sandvik, Hitachi, GE, and many others all manufacture electric construction and mining equipment. Diesel is slowly being replaced with electric, which outperforms diesel at a much lower operating cost and they are much more efficient. Also, there is a big difference between burning fossil fuels and making things out of fossil fuels.
A good one! If I get 1 cent for every time I say to EV-fanboys: "I told you so!", well, then the Rotschilds are poor schmucks compared to me!
@@muskrat3291electric vehicles are not new technology. There were over 1000 auto manufacturers at the start of the 1900. The overwhelming majority of them were focusing solely on electric vehicles which was bad technology compared to internal combustion engines. All focusing on electric went bankrupt.
Only 4% of crude oil is used to make things other than burnable fuel. Despite what the fossil fuel industry say its perfectly possible to make only non burnable products when refining. So a 96% reduction is good.
And more fuel to clean the hole, propane to heat the bitumin primer, oil/propane heat for the hot-fill and, for more permanant patches, still more fuel to pre-heat the pothole itself.
I can remember a time when auto manufacturers were making their cars lighter and thus more efficient. We’re headed in the wrong direction.
I gave a thumbs up. But there is, for one example, the three wheel solar powered electric Aptera Launch.
Have you ever seen it? It’s ultra lightweight and aerodynamic! But it can only go 40 miles a day from a full solar charge(700W). Want to go further in a day? You’d need to plug in after those 40 miles.
@@jimmyrichards5595 I’ve seen it. In my state three wheeled vehicles are classified as motorcycles. It’s more of a novelty vehicle, definitely not an everyday driver. But I get your point.
That and none have been sold yet as the date of first delivery keeps getting put off one more year, every year, for years. They create a new tech hurdle every year, making it need more investment money from the reservists to get their car....but you're in on the ground floor of "this great deal."
Problem is...even if mass produced (and I hope people get their pod bike carlet) it is an extra car. You don't reduce environmental impact by having redundant appliances.
haha yes!. Now a car review is like "Its really light weight at 2000kg (4400lbs) and affordable at $70k" and I am like.. wtf am I hearing :D
I used to have a 1985 Honda CRX which weighed 2,100 pounds and ran on 185 tires on 13 inch rims. I drove the heck out of it and the tires still lasted 50,000 miles.
The issue is pretty easy to understand. As vehicle weights increase the rubber compounds are harder and the sidewall is made stiffer to carry the required weight. Its simple physics. Heavier vehicle , harder rubber compounds and stiffer side walls equal more wear to the road surface.
You are 100% correct. And the expense of the road damage goes to everyone to repair.
@@CarCoachReports Would really like to see a follow up to the recent video you did on the Gov agencies involved in turning a blind eye to the bogus numbers being used to calculate battery range on EV's. Great channel.
😂🤣 I'm not a fan of EVs. But, that study is questionable. Then, 18 wheeler trucks, dodge 1500-5500, ambulance, fedex, UPS, Amazon vans etc also would cause damage. I think the EU UK just don't build decent roads and now their economy is heading towards a depression...going to get worse. I still love ICE and Hybrids.
The electric vehicles way more makes perfect sense to me. Batteries by nature are heavy for their size and that's pretty much for any battery out there so is no surprise that EV are going to be harder on our roads and our infrastructure like bridges over passes, and guard rails I see a lot of people on here commenting that we need to build better roads and we need to do all of that sort of thing. Well where do you think the money for that's going to come from? That's right. You and me the general taxpayer further. How is asphalt made? Was it made from that's right? Petroleum and how does it get there to diesel powered trucks? And then you got the diesel powered equipment that lays the asphalt down. You got the diesel powered road craters and you got the diesel powered bulldozers that help build the roads. So as far as I'm concerned if you buy an EV You should be paying more in tags than somebody who owns and ICE vehicle some other foods without is this currently. Right now there is 166.1 million commercial trucks registered in United States and there is however 292.3 million passenger cars registered in United States has of 2023. 2023 so when you sit there and you say that the big rigs 18 wheelers tear up the roads. Yeah they do wear the roads down but there's fewer big rigs running around doing what they do which is delivering everything that we eat everything. We wear everything. We drive everything. We buy everything we make our lives with and there 's way more passenger cars out there running around so just a little food for thought
@@slantfish65sd Kentucky and four addition states have passed legislation to add tax to charging for EV's and addition EV tax at registration. Expect all states to follow .
And yet they pay no road tax, fuel excess tax. A great idea indeed.
Here in California, EVs don’t pay the $1/gallon excise tax - which is supposed to be used for road maintenance.
They will likely hold off on taxing electricity for road maintenance until most vehicles on the road are EVs, then watch the taxes come in to replace the lost revenue from gasoline and Diesel.
Do you really think they won't tax electricity when there are enough people who depend on ev? Thinking it will stay the way it is now is foolish.
I've been trying to convince myself to buy an EV for years but it just isn't time. Right now the EV tax in Calif. is only $108. A great deal for an EV driver since an ICE car going the average 13,500/yr pays $426 (based on the lousy average fuel economy of sedans & wagons built in 2021 of 31.7 mpg). The kWh for driving those miles in a Model 3 is only 54% of fuel of an ICE car, assuming only charging at home. Good stuff---I can do that! Of course once the consumable battery wear/renewal is factored in at $1333/year all of my savings evaporates. Still a toy for the rich----so far.
Starting next year, EVs will have a 'tax' surcharge of $250/year and it varies by state in the form of registration.
@@onemorelevelup California's is $118 today. Been in force since 2020, though I think it was once higher---not sure.
And then there's the issue of higher tire rubber particulates being released into the environment.
Also a heavy vehicle needs powerful brakes so more brake dust too.
The goal is to forbid people to own individual transportation vehicles, so we will be completely dependent on public transportation, which will work with cards that can be deactivated if the person have ideas or opinions ours WEF overlords don't approve or like.
@@MarvinHartmann452 We didn't elect them!
take any high powered vehicle, ICE or EV, that has AWD, and low profile tires, and you will have this same result.
EVs pretty much never use brakes, one pedal driving. even hybrids brakes dont wear out as fast as a gas vehicle (gas vehicle 40-50k, hybrids can go 100k depending on habits). educate yourself before commenting fud. @@bourbonlover7158
If that’s the case then I guess it’s safe to assume that’s the Tesla semi will really be damaging the roads
Not necessarily, trucks can only be a certain weight. In the US that limit is 80,000lbs for a 5 axle truck. Trucks may have an exception, trucks with an APU can go 80,400. As she stated residential streets are built to a different standard. That why you see truck are allowed only up to a certain weight UNLESS they are making a local delivery. EVs are also chewing through tires because of their weight, sometime only getting half of the warranty mileage. I have a medium SUV and I routinely get my warranty mileage(usually 70,000) or more simply by rotating them with every oil change. These EVs are sometimes 1,000lbs heavier which increase tire wear. Also, driving habits affect this as well. Sorry, got off on a bit of a tangent. Highways will be less affected, only the city streets will see more damage.
@@kennethboyer2338 yes but just because the truck is heavier that mean that’s the load by default has to be light to stay within that 80k restriction that’s still means that’s the weight of the tractor unit compared to the diesel engine counter part is still heavier because if the batteries still incurring road damage
Luckily they will never be mainstream because they're so impractical
@@SamWilkinsonn agreed
In Australia they are increasing the maximum permissable axle weights to cater for electric trucks.
Potholes existed before the recent EVs and they'll continue to exist. But no road tax for EVs exist yet...
The problem is an EV traveling fast over a pothole might scratch the battery and it's goodbye EV either via repair or thermo runaway a few weeks later.
Repair = Total replacement. About $20,000 - $40,000.
*Another problem
And you have seen reports of this where?
@@illtrill These videos always seem to attract the occasional Biden voter.
"pothole might scratch the battery" What a bunch of absurd nonsense, there is armor and distance from the ground to protect the battery from pot hole.
Was told that they wear out tires faster.
Plus - Registration and insurance are more costly ?
You might want to talk to actual EV owners instead of believing these myths. My insurance went up by approximately $20 per month over my previous all wheel drive gas vehicle. But that is easily offset by no oil changes. Tires wear the same as gas vehicles. Except the first set may wear out faster because it is so much damn fun leaving gas vehicles in my dust.
According to swedish car magazine "Teknikens värld" who talked to tire dealers, they had to replace EV tires more often. Weight + lots of torque from zero rpm was why it eats it tires. So even if you have a big ICE car with the same weight you dont get the same instant torque. The cost of EV tires was also higher so in some cases,just the tire cost on those ev's were like the fuel for a ice car lol. Economical!.
@@muskrat3291 $20 a month was nothing. My Mini Cooper SE EV was $1400 a year, compared to $400 a year for the normal ice version, but I know Tesla has some good insurance if you use Teslas own insurance, so it depends on type of EV if its good or bad I guess. No oil changes? My last car had free services for 90000km, so I did not pay anything for oil changes :) But you actually have lots of fluids in a EV that needs to be serviced, you even have oil in some of them for gears. And seeing the prices for services on a VW EV, you start to wonder why they charge so much for doing basicly nothing. Last time it was like $250 / service, thats more than a oil change if you pay it yourself.
EV tyre wear is 10-15% higher than like for like ICE cars.
@@seannewman5391 more like 200% since they only lasted 20000km
Maybe the "greens" can cycle around with fallen leaf's and Pine sap to fill the pot holes
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Or old EV batteries...
@@richardweyland116 Only if you want the road to catch on fire. 😂
Or in reality BEVs do not cause significantly more road damage. Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.4% more weight.
I'm starting to see potholes on highways like never before.
I’m not talking just potholes, the highway itself is not even level. There are MASSIVE tire indentations INTO the concrete. So if you try to change lanes, it’s like you’re hitting a curb. How fucked up is this
In my area, those damn SUVs cause the potholes. We don't have many EVs. - Zoomer
take the most popular models and compare weights from 2000-2010-2020 and you will see just about every SUV has gained weight. then compare to the best selling EVs weights and you will see who really weighs more.
In recent years, manufacturers have increasingly used plastic and aluminum to reduce the weight of vehicles, making them more efficient. Then EVs came and added hundreds of extra kilograms because of the batteries.
yea but look at every single vehicle made since the 90s to now, and every single vehicle has increased in weight. and many EVs when compared to similar sized and class of vehicle are not really all that much heavier, and in some cases lighter too.
compare a model Y to a lexus RX350, or a BMW X3/X5 and you will be shocked at how all these vehicles are within similar weights of each other.
@@baldisaerodynamic9692 Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs. 5.4% weight difference. Is that similar enough?
Dont worry. The Canadian government just announced no more money for roads. Bjt is still pushing EVs.
Wow, Lauren, I just found your channel and really appreciate your ability to do a brief report and make sense of things quickly and succinctly. Great channel host.
Thanks Luke
Don't forget all the massive amounts of instance torque and those hard tyre compounds easting into the tarmac constantly.
Umm throttle mapping and motor controllers exist. You can put an EV in non sports mode and gain more RANGE eminency not using the high torque all the time. ICE cars have driver modes too. Maybe learn how cars work first.
Double the weight double the damage.
Makes sense to me.
There is NO free ride.
Are you fat shaming? Dude... sistas are coming for you. 🤣🤣🤣
I think it's 50% more weight and 50% more torque for 100% more damage. But that doesn't cover the fire damage when the burn.
there is no double the weight. educate yourself.
I am not surprised!!!. I was thinking the other week that there is potholes more than usual here!, not to mention they redo the asphalt like every 4 years.. so I guess its a mix of worse asphalt quality and heavier cars (both ev and ice). I used to live in a place where they used high quality asphalt (the roads were supposed to be able to land jet fighters on, in case of war), and never remembered I saw a pothole back then.. now it is everywhere. Need a monster truck soon to be able to not damage wheel alignment and suspension of the car.
funny how this report comes out during winter season, where roads always get torn up more due to winter weather.
All that weight, all that torque. Existing infrastructure simply was not built to accommodate EVs.
What a bunch of absurd nonsense. Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.41% more weight. "Existing infrastructure simply was not built to accommodate EVs" Then the infrastructure was not designed for ICE cars also.
gas cars already pay a gas tax thats for fixing the roads here in pa for electric cars it makes sense to charge them by milage whats fair is fair
They're super heavy SOBs. Our shop lifts can barely hold them. Their tires wear down so much quicker than gas powered vehicles and if you watch a crash test of these monstrosities - they can blast through not one but TWO Jersey Barriers.
What a bunch of absurd nonsense. Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.41% more weight. If your lift can't hold them, then your lift is useless. Can't even work on ICE cars.
Total BS. The top selling EV is the Tesla model 3, it weighs about 4,400 lbs. The Ford F-150 pickup, about 4,300 and up EMPTY. Ford Explorer, about 4,400 lbs. Dodge RAM Pickup, 7,000 and up EMPTY. There are a lot more pickups on the road than EVs and have been around for decades, but somehow pot holes are the fault of EVs. We have fleets of delivery trucks, thinks FedEx and UPS, how many of those are there and how much do they weight, a lot more than EVs. But again it is always the EV's fault. Our roads were designed to handle commercial vehicles that weight a lot more than any EV. Gee, I wonder who could be behind these bull sh*t lies!
Yeah...this is the part you have the dummies with gas cars show their insecurities and ignorance on the EV specs regarding the GVWR.
It isn't the weight that causes most of the issues. It is the amount of torque and the weight that is stressing the asphalt surface
Totally true. EV's pulling away at speed from junctions or lights is literally going to cause the road surface there to evaporate.
It's not the weight but the weight. Are you retarded?
Ev's pulling away at speed may have some impact, but heavier vehicle does place more stress on the road and is greater than you think. This increased stress is all of the time when driving not just when accelerating and decelerating. There is a rule called the fourth power law that is used to calculate the stress that weight puts on roads, it states that the stress on the road caused by the motor vehicle increases in proportion to the fourth power of the axle load. The correlation between weight and stress placed on the road is logarithmic, not linear.
What a bunch of absurd nonsense, you do realize most EVs have very programmable throttle mapping Driving Modes. Exploiting Sport mode also Decreases Range thus it incentivizes people to keep it in controlled torque mode. An EV in non sport mode is not going to have more damaging instant torque than an equivalent ICE car.
@@TheAllEngineering Regardless if the relationship is non linear, when the weight difference is 5.4%. Even with a logarithmic ratio the outcome is still a tiny difference.
Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs
BS, big truck dont cause it, cracks in the pave ment cause it water gets in and freezes then the ice lifts the pavement
I’m no EV fan, but, in fairness, how do you adjust for truck traffic, given the increase in delivery vehicles (trucks) in every neighborhood?
And there are a lot more of them than there are EVs and they weigh more than EVs. But somehow it is always the fault of EVs.
those delivery trucks do not weight that much actually (if we talk about something like a MB Vito) they are around 3ton fully loaded, but you also have bigger contact patch cause of the tires on the ground, and 1 / 20 of the torque. If you see a big truck they usually have more than 4 tires, and every extra tire distribute the wheight of the cars on a bigger surface.. that is why you can use tennis rackets as shoes in high snow without sinking.
@@AndrewTSq 3 tons loaded is still a lot more than an EV loaded. And also EV's do have on average those bigger tyres and contact surface. And torque is not important. Only how much torque is used. And I know that ev drivers do brake much more quietly as most ice cars...because regenerating guarantees slower braking ...that means LESS friction between wheels and asphalt.
@@reiniernn9071 only problem is we have many ev delivrry trucks here :P some zones are only for evs.
So, Erie County is loaded with EVs, evidently......😂
funny how this report comes out during winter season, where roads always get torn up more due to winter weather.
And where does asphalt come from……….OIL
The Telegraph is not a research organization; it is a conservative British newspaper that regularly runs articles claiming that EVs are a bad idea for one reason or another. The Telegraph did not produce any data showing that EVs damage roads more than gas cars-they only speculated that this will be true because of the increased weight of EVs, and they applied a formula to estimate the amount of damage based on weight. According to that same formula, a Ford F150 causes about 6 times the road damage of a Honda Civic, and 3 times the damage caused by a Chevy Bolt EV. I don't know if those numbers are correct or not, but it doesn't seem to stop us driving our F150s. A few years ago, there were concerns that EVs would wear out tires much more quickly than gas cars because of their higher torque, and estimates were made on how much more tire dust that would create. We now have real data from replacement tire sales on how long EV tires last and it turns out that EV tires are not wearing out significantly quicker than gas vehicle tires, so that problem turned out not to exist. It may turn out that EVs do cause a significant increase in road damage-we'll have to wait to see some real data to know.
What FUD...how heavy are f150s...how about heavy are transport trucks...this is false garbage
Thank you for posting this. Just what we need in this garbage economy, more taxes :( It is an amazing thing when people actually follow the science. Also because of their increased weight, EVs chew through tires faster than internal combustion vehicles. Combine this with the increased damage and potential structural failure of multi-level parking structures, bridges and over passes due to the extra weight of EVs and you are talking about some serious potential harm to people. Doesn't sound too safe for the environment to me and that is not even including the hazardous fires from EV batteries that go into thermal runaway. It is one thing when people's lack of insight causes them to pay more to cover for their mistakes. It is a whole other thing when I have to help pay for the mistakes of someone else especially during a time when I am having a hard enough time trying to provide for my own family.
If we really cared for the environment and wanted to get off fossil fuels we would invest in companies like Carbon Engineering who spent the last 12+ years developing the technology to pull CO2 out of the air and recycle it to make clean burning fuel for every internal combustion engine with little to no modification. Recycling CO2 like water is recycled. No need to buy new and expensive EVs with their toxic and environmentally unsafe batteries because we can clean the emissions of internal combustion cars by cleaning the fuel. Better yet we can use the existing gasoline fuel station infrastructure to get it out to customers. No need to make new charging stations.
LOL you have perfectly copy and pasted all the falsehood Anti EV propaganda into a tight paragraph. You are a one stop shop brainwashing machine.
1. The weight difference between a Mercedes C220d and Model 3 LR is 5.41%. Don't you dare ignore mathematical Facts.
2. Bridges and Car Parks will have zero effect from 5.41% heavier passenger cars when they are design for heavier class of vehicles.
3, Thermal Runaway Battery fires are soo freakishly rare and only fear mongerd because a False Rerporting of fires. Both the Luton Terminal Car Park 2 and Fermantle Highway RORO Ship was not majorly attributed BEV on fires. About 40% of the BEVs on Freemantly could drive on their own power out of the ship. While a 1/3 were heavily damaged from external fires but the battery packs and anything lower than wheel arch was not compromised. Luton Airport case was simply not where BEVs were located. EV Chargers are in Terminal 1 Car Park.
Cases like these erroneous reporting is why people can be brainwashed into believing BEVs thermal runaway is more common than reality.
This is no mistake your statement are falsehoods and wrong. You are intentionally spamming misinformation which defy facts.
"during a time when I am having a hard enough time trying to provide for my own family."
Keep relying on CRUDE OIL as a major source of energy use, as you keep wondering why Products and Service cost soo much.
@@Neojhun Or we can invest in companies like Carbon Engineering who spent the last 12+ years developing the technology to pull CO2 out of the air and recycle it to make clean burning fuel for every internal combustion engine with little to no modification.
We in the USA who use ICE engine vehicles already pay taxes for road and highway maintenance at the fuel and gas pumps. The bigger and heavier the vehicle the more fuel gets pumped and more tax $$$ is paid... In other words, we with ICE vehicles have already been paying our fair share of 'road taxes' every time we pay at the pump.
Charging the EV's should also be taxed for some amount per KWh just like ICE vehicles do for fuel at the pump for the 'unit' which here in USA is per gallon for fossil fuel and KWh for electricity.
Furthermore, because the Pro-EV folks who are already into [the] 'high-tech' things etc. like their EVs, should understand that charging their EV at home will be also eventually be 'taxed' separately from their domestic home uses and the 'road tax' will be at the same rate as for charging the EV at at a charging station in their local area... ...Remember the "Smart Meters"?... ...Yes, it would not at all be too much of a stretch for the utility's smart meter to also read the home charging station's usage to tell exactly how much KWh charging their EV is used and there could be a way include the tax that the utility company bills to their EV charging costumers to be paid directly into the road and highway maintenance coffers.
EV tax is $108/year in California but it's the same price regardless of miles traveled, right now at least.
Unfortunately, taxes earmarked for one purpose are often used for other purposes - and the general public are none the wiser. Govt always steals money from one acct to bolster another acct - or perhaps used for other 'nefarious' purposes of which we will never know about. They always want more revenue, more revenue, more revenue - mostly to give themselves ever increasing salaries, benefits and comfortable retirement plans - at our expense.
"Remember the "Smart Meters". But Solar Panels and VAWTs exist. Your silly political theories ignores how electricity works and other non metered sources exists. You are soo brainwashed by political agenda you have no clue how electrical engineering works.
How about heavy people?
Figured considering how heavy EVs are.
Because you have been brainwashed into inventing fictional problems. Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.41% more weight
@@Neojhun Those are exceptions, that the norms.
EV's have more torque, Torque equals more stress on the roads and tires. Add the weight issue and the fossil fuel use to fix roads along with the long list of other environmental impacts and all of sudden EV's equal if not surpass the environmental impact of other fuel options.
Petrol car owners are more used to brake late...making more torque for decelerating than EV owners with regenerating and thus braking some slower.
Accelerating. An EV may have a bigger maximum torque but on average he is NOT using all that torque.
If he did he would immediatly crash into the back of the car in front.
And about weight..My EV is the same weight as comparable sized petrol cars.
And that is logical. A battery weighs about 4 kg / kwh. a 75KWH battery is 300 kg. Add to that the management system, batterycooling and the total will go to 350 kg.
My EV does NOT need a separate chassis. The battery case is also the chassis.
My EV does not have a heavy petrol/diesel engine, does not have all needed components around that engine(waterpumps, alternator, oil pump, cooling radiator), also not a clutch system and not a transmission (automatic transmission is also a heavy piece of material), but only a lightweight electrical motor. And de ev does not have a petrol tank ( 80 kg for 80 liters...including tank weight.
Cumulativ the end result is about the same weight for ICE and EV , especially in the higher car segment. (SUV, crossover)
What a bunch of absurd nonsense. Damaging high torque only occurs in performance / sport modes. Exploiting such performance Reduces RANGE and efficiency. There is already an incentive to deter people using the damaging high torque mode. You do realize Driving Modes and motor throttle mapping is a thing? You argument ignores basic functions of EVs.
Yes, it's wrong that in the UK for us, you don't pay road tax if EV? But, they are destroying the roads. Is that the plan, so they don't get repaired 😮
Not to mention tire wear.
Tax by mileage and weight sounds reasonable to me even without EV's. TODAY that would NOT mean everyone is paying taxes just the folks with heavier vehicles.
Texas's pre-2023 registration fees appear to do that. Post 2023 however EV's fees jumped $200 a year which when I did the math often EV owners are likely subsidizing the damage gas cars do, not the other way around.
Fun fact from the TCEQ study that justified the $200 fee. The averge gas vehicle weight in Texas is higher than the average EV weight likely due to the popularity of trucks.
Here in Australia, we are suffering a plague of potholes and degraded road surfaces. EV owners pay nothing for road maintenance, petrol and diesel car owners pay via fuel taxes of approximately 50 cents a litre, which is supposed to go towards roads.
Electrics do not necessarily have to be so heavy. Tesla model Ys and 3s are not any heavier than many Luxury brand ICE Cars. As Energy Density of batteries improve, BEVs will become lighter. Brake dust is also less of a problem.
the facts they omit that pretty much every vehicle since the 90s has increased in weight. compare a 90s rav 4 to a new one and new one weighs nearly 1000 pounds more. and this is only for ICE models, every car has basically increased in weight.
Actually Model 3 is heavier than it's ICE equivalent. Exactly 5.41% heavier.
Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs
Soo the difference in road damage is negligible.
and pickups and SUVs weigh much much more, and are much more popular. @@Neojhun
More of the nett zero garbage that benefits nobody.
Which study sayx that? I cant find any.
The imaginary fictional kind.
Meanwhile in right Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.41% more weight.
If they’re damaging roads, it also means chewing through more rubber which is a pollutant. Time to have a user pays system by weight x mileage.
Who would have tought that heavier cars would put more wear on the pavement.
They very much do, but it's not due to BEVs. The weight difference between a Tesla Model 3 LR and a Mercedes C220D is freaking 5.41%.
More extreme cold in winter along with more extreme heat in summer that is literally melting or warping some roads in some places aren't helping either. A street two corners from my apartment got completely redone only two years ago and it is already full of potholes due to warping in summer causing bumps and valleys that get gouged out by snow plows in winter.
It's not because the climate is changing. The city is contracting with cheaper materials!
In Iceland EVs must pay km tax now and Hybrid to but a lower tax, here in Sweden they are blaming climate change for the increase of potholes no surprise for me.
You have made some valid points in your comparison of the weight differences between Electric and Ice vehicles. However Pure battery electric vehicles are about 1 percent of all vehicles sold in the US. As it stands now and in the past US roads are not always the greatest, because of the extreme changes in this country's seasonal weather and temperature changes. Maybe this speaks to our lack of enthusiasm for advancing materials used for our Infrastructure as it relates to wear and tear, expansion, and contraction. Our stupid choices to make America a two dimensional only people mover transportation system is also a factor. Sometimes change can be scary to people who have only experienced a particular type of technology as the dominant factor. The most powerful democracy America deserves a true multi modal, and multi powered transportation system working together.
Yes, it figures. Roads are made for specific max weight. If an EV is heavier then the road needs an upgrade.
Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.41% more weight. Roads are very much designed to handle this tiny difference. You figured out wrongly.
Not only is this a problem for road wear but the lifts in many service stations are having problems with the extra weight of EV trucks.
WTF that is absurd nonsense. EV Trucks are not allowed to be significantly heavier than their ICE equivalent. This comes a the cost of limited range.
The shape of tyres has changed dramatically in the last 30 years. The shape of the contact patch has gone from oval to more rectangular. This makes the tyres roll with less drag/squirm on dry roads but increases the hydraulic forces pushing water into roads in the rain. Water forced into any crack in the road surface causes potholes. The 4th power rule of axel weight also applies.
Unforeseen consequences,
Be careful what we wish for!!
Thank you for this gem of rare information.
Didn't wish for anything. The climate thing is a scam. And I will not pay a tax per mile. I already do that via a gas tax.
Tires*.
What about all the semi's and tractor trailers? They're much heavier.
Cost of damage is huge. Cost £6k to repair suspension and wheel on my Taycan. Council paid.
EV- 2023 Porsche Taycan/Curb weight 4,568 to 5,119 lbs
EV- 2023 Tesla Model S/Curb weight 4,561 to 4,766 lbs
ICE- 2023 Porsche Panamera/Curb weight 4,222 to 4,839 lbs
not exactly earth shattering weight differences like they are crying about are they
EVs don’t use gas, and therefore don’t pay the gas taxes, which are used for road maintenance.
Ever seen what the buggy wheels that amish people use does to roads? Those skinny wheels dig little grooves in the road that will catch your motorcycle tires.
Maybe a road repair tax should be added to every purchased electric vehicle, 😅
It's a tough call: CO2 pollution is real, but California is a good example where the 5th largest economy can't even keep their roads properly maintained. If we had more energy dense batteries then we wouldn't need to oversize the battery packs, which is what contributes to the extra GVWR.
Maybe it should be added to the purchase of pickup trucks which weigh as much as an EV. Many pickups weigh a lot more EMPTY than EVs, some twice as much. And there are a lot more of them. Should we also charge companies that run fleets of delivery vehicles such FedEx, UPS and others. How much do those delivery trucks weigh?
@@muskrat3291 I was actually making a tongue in cheak comment. Not really for further taxation of the people. It just seemed to fit with how the goverment does things.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
Also, the extra tyre wear increases pollution from rubber and synthetic rubber particles
Add it to the list of issues with the rolling incendiary devices... they are a bad fad being pushed by government policy NOT competitive market value.
Let's compare the road conditions of shenzhen and LA
I am not suprised that they are going to hit with more taxes.
I am in Canada, i have native status and when i fill up on a reserve i get a tax break of 3 out of 6 taxes, its approximately 25 to 30% less.. cant say how much the other 3 taxes are but the point i am getting at is the have to recuperate those taxes on the EV, gas car taxes flow massive income, they need the same income.
We all know that during that conversion of how they going to get that $$ back they are going to take more making us think that its about the same...
I can see taxes like eco taxes (like tv), wear and tare of the roads.... they will have not limits in what they will apply.
Simple example is when our gas got converted from $ per gallon to $ to liters if you did the math they did and increase during the process and said no no.. its the same amount converted.
Disconnect the speedometer and use gps to monitor your speed.
I like the ideal but I think the vehicle (newer ones) will still be tracking your mileage. Today's displays are just that vs. the old cabled odometers where that would work. Everything is captured via computers and the data shown to users.
@@M3fPCGFJSGDlORUbZAwK Anything with a screen can be tracked. My grandson tracks his wife and mother and sees everything they text. Yes creepy isn't he? Buy a used car from a lot quit making payments the tow truck comes right to the hiding spot. Self driving cars will drive to an impound lots for non-payment. I'm 70 and have a 96 Silverado with a 94 lifted Jeep and can happily say I will probably be dead before the schlitz hits the fan.
Rush Red Barchetta comes to mind 😉@@sammythompson3694
So these are additional costs that we SHOULDN’T have to pay as there’s no need for a “widespread adoption” of EVs. If that was a market force instead of a mandate, it would be different, but as it is this is an additional cost being forced upon us.
EV did not pay road tax for a long time despite their higher curb weight. This favoritism has to stop. EV needs to pay their fair share for road maintenance.
The tesla y model battery weight 750kg
The Mercedes 2.0 diesel engine weighs 200 kg.
The petrol engine less.
Not only the roads getting extra wear .the suspension of EV cant keep up.
The tyres getting used more quickly
Doesn't that extra weight make the tires wear out faster???
no, low profile tires, weight, AWD, and higher performance wear out tires faster.
and thats not an EV only thing. ICE cars have these configurations too.
Once a pothole has started, hitting the edges with a heavier vehicle will accelerate pothole growth. They say EVs have tremendous potential to accelerate, I guess they were right.
And they don't pay road taxes that fuel vehicles do at the pump.
Meanwhile in Reality, a Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.4% more weight. That tiny percentage difference has negligible difference in road damage.
Your information is interesting have you done a road report for Canada please reach out to the ministry of transportation hello from oakville Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
And the roads that aren't important to interstate commerce are already badly neglected, forcing even ICE vehicle users to upgrade to heavier, more robust vehicles that can take the beating. The rugged avenue my private drive lets onto was supposed to be resurfaced and widened for bike lanes in 2017, they really made big deal of the plans. It has since been postponed twice, and then cancelled; this in spite of the highest fuel taxes in the nation.
Higher torque of electric vehicles can stress roads more if you accelerate at higher speeds.
Why is this a surprise, they weigh twice as much, that's why in my country heavier cars pay more road taxes.
what a surprise, someone that doesnt know much. they do not weight 2x as much to a comparable vehicle.
@@baldisaerodynamic9692 Ok half as much more, are you happy now?
still not that much in weight@@apolloxiii5574
And tax the people who don't even drive too
It's obvious as they are double the weight. The heavier the car the more damage. the asphalt rolls under heavy road just like any other surface when you drive on it. sure it recovers quickly but after a long period of times the grave under it shifts and that's how you get potholes.
Mercedes C220 Diesel 4matic weighs 3605lbs. While a Tesla model 3 weighs 3,800lbs, 5.41% more weight. 5.41% Extra weight is very very far from double the weight. The heavier car in this case has negligible difference in road damage. As the weight difference is soo tiny.
@@Neojhun baaaaahahahaaaaha
@@double-you5130 "obvious as they are double the weight" 105.41% the weight is no where close to Double.
I guess all those 6000lbs suv have no effect on roads. Roads are designed to handle more than 80k lbs yet a 4000lb vehicle is destroying roads.
It's lbs PSI not just overall mass. A 18 wheeler has a large distributed contact patch. A 6000lb F150 does not.
An Amish buggy and retired race horse is murder on pavement digging pots and grooves that have to be patched. See it for yourself in Lancaster Penn or Vanore Tenn
All vehicles that are heavy eventually cause road damage. I drive down a road that was not re-enforced to have semi trucks drive down it 50+ time a day and you can see where most of them drive over and over the same paths. So its not just a EV problem, its a weight and build quality of the road. Why are most roads asphalt, cause its cheap to build and repair. Why are cement freeways not used as roads, expensive to build.
Battery technology is not ready yet for large scale EV adoption. Even politicians will understand that eventually.
Sadly politicians understand little other than money.
Funny in my state, they keep promoting EVs but then tell us we can't use studded snow tires because they damage the roads...
The solution is simple, you double or triple the registration fees for ICE vehicles to pay for the road damage, what is there not to like about EVs?
Yes I agree this new way of taxing any vehicles including the wretched EV's was to anyone with more than one brain cell so obvious from the first introduction of EV's. I live in rural Australia where the road system is already in an absolutely disgraceful state of build in the first instance and more so of lack of repair to those roads, and EV's are just going to exacerbate this growing problem..
EVs cause more road damage while at the same time EV owners pay ZERO in road maintenance taxes in most places. Those taxes are a percentage of the cost of each gallon of gasoline that we buy. That percentage goes into a road maintenance fund. Since EV owners buy no gasoline, they pay none of the taxes. So unless they live in a place where they are billed extra for road use, they get away scot-free.
Nobody seemed to care about the heavier gas/diesel cars and pickups vs lighter ICE vehicles. The better safety was always emphasized.
Road taxes should have been based on vehicle weight all along. Too damn many F250s rolling around with just a driver and nothing in the bed.
Additional weight causes all that damage. I used to have the same problem when my 2nd wife rode with me.
Hopefully your 2nd wife doesn't see your comment, or she could be your unhappy ex-wife. LOL
@@franknew9001 Well, I used to call her "Big Mama".
@georgiaobserver-- I bet she wasn't happy when you called her "Big Mama."
@@franknew9001 She was ok with it. She barker at the circus had been doing it for years. "Come see Big Mama, Big Mama, Big Mama. Come see Big Mama."
All of the benefits of EVs have MORE risks and downsides that are not apparent initially! They are like a Trojan horse in most cases! Reliability is that of a Bic lighter, works great till it doesn't!😂😂😂
The road they don't pay for.
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Not a conclusive study...
I get EV vehicles weigh by the ton. Yet. When was the last time they 100% replaced your street? The roads in our towns and cities were done once. When they first did them. Nothing lasts forever. Just don't tell the Government. They can't comprehend it. We know it. My street is going fast. Someone using it must have an EV. I never saw so many pot holes. They resurfaced it last year. It doesn't hold up. Pot holes all over.
Why is it in the area where I live. Never seen an EV. Plenty SUVs. Think you are talking nonsense. The roads are not being repaired properly.
And the Green keeps turning Browner... Yep EVs being green has plopped into a big pile of Crap! Add it all up and they're actually worse for the environment too.
all evs should have to cover all the costs..
EV should pay double the road tax….in London they are being charged upto 1800% more to park because of the damage they cause….and the huge amount of pollution they cause in manufacturing…….
These roads need to be able to withstand the weather and traffic changes. They used to blame it on the 18 wheelers , now they blame it on electric vehicles. Who ever the engineers are need to look at this issue before they build the roads. A stronger road base structure would be a good start.
It’s not there problem but the city people who get advice on how long it will last for they need to be on a replacement plan.
That's not the point. Even if you make stronger roads, the roads will still wear more quickly due to the added weight of EVs.
> A stronger road base structure would be a good start.
Which means increased costs which are passed on to the taxpayer.
another problem is that the asphalt quality these days is not as good as it used to be.
Are you related to classic era character actor Paul Fix?
I think this studies a bit of a sham, really and average 51 kW model 3EV weighs 1600 kg compared to 1500 kg for a six cylinder sedan, which is probably ways less than SUV, which tend to dominate Sales in mini markets, including the US. Unfortunately you’ve been sucked in by Study which I doubt is very scientifically based. I’m not sure how you would go about determining the amount of repairs that can be directly contributed to EV‘s and unless you had a town that was exclusively EV centric and compare that to where the excluded
I’m sure the idea behind EVs is to reduce the overall number of vehicles. EVs are more expensive and less durable with battery degradation - and will stay that way. Therefore - we have less overall cars. So road wear overall should be same. Clearly some people will like the idea of less crowded roads. The fact the roads are wrecked and the economy will suffer due to lack of personal mobility seems have slipped past the WEF planners 😢
No it's just crappy roads. Gotta blame something.
The plan was always to walk people down a path were ultimately they would stop driving.
It's a nice thought ...public transportation is good. But I get some cities aren't meant for it.
School buses are the mass transit where I live. There is a county van that will come get me for 25$ one way. Wilmington NC is the nearest big town has MT, but the buses only run until 10 pm can't rely on this for people that work.
@@terrancecloverfield6791 Public transportation is scary enough these day. If it ever becomes commonplace, you'll be hearing many more stories about riders being robbed, beaten and terrorized. Buses will be the new 7/11 one stop robbery centers. That's why I'll never use public transportation - unless I'm armed.
Ride the BART and tell me public transport is good.
Also, the busses are homeless shelters. They ride for free all day.