Bought my 2020 honda insight with only 8 miles from a dealership. So happy I went hybrid instead of full ev. No problems for almost 4 years now. Not a single problem :)
@@markell598 The Honda 2020 Insight is a hybrid, like they said - it can do over 500 miles (551 according to the blurb). Our 2017 ICE Toyota Verso can only do mid 400s on a tank. A hybrid makes sense if range is a worry.
My biggest complaint is the publicized range, specifically from Tesla. I have 14,155 miles on my Model 3 SR+. When I bought the SR+ it said the range was 240 miles. Not even close. First, I cannot charge to 240 miles any longer, the max is equal to about 90% or ~215 range miles. Oh, the display says I charged to 100%, but the miles say differently. But wait, it’s worse. For every actual mile I drive, I consume 1.3 to 1.6 range miles with an average 1.5, depending on driving conditions and ambient weather. This mean when I charge to 100% and it shows 215 range miles, on average I can only get ~150 actual miles. A far cry from the 240 Tesla said I am supposed to get. Tesla says to limit charging to 80% for day to day driving. If I charge to 80%, I only get about 125 actual miles. Therein lies the problem, just as ICE vehicles have a city/highway MPG on their MSRP sticker, EV’s should also provide estimated actual driving city/highway ranges and not an overall range, nobody gets 100% of the range as published on the MSRP and website, if they say they do, they are lying. These estimated actual range values should be on every EV so potential buyers can make an intelligent and informed decision before they buy one and find out the real range is a fraction of what the mfg tells you on their website or MSRP sticker. I will likely never buy another EV. BTW, great video!
I drive a 2016 Toyota Prius IV Touring (my 2nd....first was a 2006 Prius top of line). The sticker on my 2016 said 49/51 if memory serves me correctly. At this point my actual lifetime average mpg, summer and winter (i'm in northern NY) is 58.7 mpg. I don't baby it or try to hypermile like some Prius nutjobs do....I just drive the thing and put regular gas in it. I'm retired so I don't drive a bunch....only 25K on it so far. The 2006 was still going strong with all systems go at 126,000 miles in 2016 when I sold it privately. I only had to replace the front brakes once in that one and the tiny 'starter' battery...about $260.00. Thusfar in my 2016 I've had to replace the now-larger 12v 'starter'' battery twice so far--the larger battery that Toyota used and that the dealer replaced it with both seem to be junk. Tires on both cars were LRR and the former got good service life. I will not be going plug-in hybrid OR electric --my gas hybrid works great and has ultra low emissions as well as great fuel economy.
Congratulations you are the first person on RUclips who acknowledges that most people cannot afford an EV. All the News Papers, Governments etc. Ignore this. Well done.👍👍✔✔
@@thelastpilot4582 It is true people who are making low wages cant afford even an EV prices at $32,500. However, I dont believe people working in low wage jobs can afford ANY new car. Which is another whole problem, the fact that there are so many people working for such low wages! as more and more EVs are made, there will become more and more used EVs and prices for used EVs will decline. It seems to me that so many of the EV naysayers seem to believe that we have reached the max in technology in EVs, whereas I believe that we are still in the infancy of EV development. Look at how far the development if ICE vehicles has come in the well over 100 years of innovation and change.
@@paulstough2995 Not a lot of car for that sort of money though. There's no way I'd spend that on a small hatchback, especially here in the UK where we don't have anything like the sort of disposable income that you have in the US.
@@paulstough2995 Which means that every new EV produced today is going to be out of date by the time it hits the second hand market and people won't want them, given the cost of replacement batteries they will eventually need. That's why you can buy a Nissan Leaf relatively cheaply, although it still costs way more than the equivalent ICE car of the same age. Most of those against EVs are against them because we don't believe we should be forced into them. Nobody forced anybody to buy a Betamax VCR or an iPhone, regardless of whether they were better or not and it's the same with EVs given that there is little to no advantage.
My fear concerns the resale. If I decide to buy a Hyundai Ioniq ($55,000 Cdn) as an example and want to sell it 4 or 5 years down the road, I would expect to get maybe $15, 000. However, anyone wanting to purchase it would have to kept in mind that the battery replacement after 8 years or 160,000 km will cost about $51,000 with tax. Who in their right mind would buy a used electric vehicle. Even the cheaper Tesla batteries run $13,000 to $22,000.
So in 10 years the EVs will have no value. There's no sustainability here. Environmentalists are going to be terribly disillusioned in 10 years when the junkyards are full of EVs.
@@sparky7915 there are Tesla’s out the that have hundreds of thousands of miles on it. If the battery isn’t supercharge 24/7 meaning you kept the health good and charged mostly at home you can drive a million on it.
As a rideshare driver, I did a long study of EV's to determine if they were right for me. Uber had a promotion paying an extra $1 per trip to make it more attractive. After the study, I decided it was not worth it for several reasons. Some are listed in this video. Here are some more: 1. Fast charging reduces battery life. 2. Driving over 65MPH reduces range. 3. Cold weather (I live in MN) reduces range. 4. Battery takes a long time to warm up in the cold and further reduces range or uses your power. 5. Use of climate control reduces range. 6. Manufacturers prefer to replace rather than repair batteries making them more expensive to fix. 7. Most EV's have low ground clearance. You will bang the bottom of your car occasionally or more often in an icy winter. In an EV, you will be banging the expensive battery. (Last winter in MN, I knocked the skid plate off my Camry twice. You have a different experience when you drive everywhere rather than just your normal routes.) 8. Sometimes you cannot buy whatever tires you want meaning you cannot get the best winter tires. 9. Useable range is probably half what is advertised. (You need to regularly drive between 80-20% of capacity per manufacturer's recommendations and then reduce that based on everything else discussed.) 10. It costs much more to charge during the day if you drive at night. 11. There is no reason to think you can get several hundred thousand miles from an EV like you can from several cheaper cars. 12. Long repair downtime costs income. 12. Cheaper EV's (still more expensive than practical vehicles) tend to be RWD. They are much more expensive to get FWD or AWD. And here are Tesla-specific problems: 1. Touch screen windshield wipers are an automatic no. It is unsafe in conditions that require constant adjustments, and no automatic windshield wiper system will be good enough. This isn't just a preference. This setup should be illegal. I say this as someone who regularly drives through entire storms rather than someone who occasionally makes a short trip in the rain. 2. Touch screen controls for everything else are also problematic. I need to make adjustments as customers make requests in all traffic conditions safely. Touch screens are not safe for that. I could say no, but windshield wipers stand out as one you must use. I shouldn't have to say no since every other car manufacturer offers the necessary features properly. 3. Door handles and doors without a top frame freeze in the winter. 4. I don't want to have to explain to every drunk passenger how to open the door. 5. Tesla has a policy against rideshare drivers using super chargers. It is not currently enforced, but it is in writing so they can enforce it as demand for chargers increases. When you say you bought it for rideshare in protest, they will tell you their policy was published when you purchased it. 6. A "frunk" that breaks if it is closed hard is unacceptable and will break inevitably. I don't know if the car is undrivable while you wait on that repair. It is hard to find a good deal on a newer but not new EV. I would rather buy a 2-year-old Camry getting 35MPG, drive it 2.5x's longer than a Model 3, and pay less than half as much with virtually no unscheduled maintenance.
@@BritishCat7788 those are much better, but it is difficult to find a good deal on one if you buy 2 years old. It is good if you choose to buy new. If you search, you can sometimes find a really good deal on a regular car.
Agree that a lot of choices are examples of form over function, especially the touchscreen controls, and lack of frames. Sure they make it look and feel all futuristic, but when driving day in and day out rain or shine you just want what works and is practical. The argument is that to get people into EVs you have to appeal to them, and it seems that a decent portion of the population are attracted to form over function type. I’m with you though. Touchscreen windshield wipers are a blocker all by themselves.
A neighbor bought a brand new EV truck and then I noticed that it was gone for several months, and he was driving some car 😂 and finally it appears he got his brand new truck back from the shop
We live in NE Florida and had to go to NYC for a wedding. Thrifty Car rental only had Chevy "Bolts" ... I loved the pick up and general drive. But we had to charge it before returning the car. Every charging station was a slow charger.. we waited 1 hour for 25 miles! Also, the first 2 stations were not working. At home we would install a charger in the garage, but for anyone in an apartment or condo, the charging is a real issue.
That's why I went with Tesla. They have a reliable charging network and the cars are designed to be charged fast. This should change in the future as the other car manufacturers adopt the Tesla charging standard.
@@waynepurcell6058 - Studies show no statistically significant difference in battery degradation between those that fast charge frequently and those that don't.
@@TeslaDawg I'm a hybrid owner and I've seen differing opinions on this primarily because a fast charge heats up the battery. So I guess it depends on the auto design.
@@TeslaDawg Fake studies most likely. It's the chemical composition of batteries that defines how they react and perform, and heat is one of the biggest killers. The faster you charge, the more heat produced. Batteries have always had the same problem regardless of the appliance they're used in, they degrade with age. If people think that EV batteries are any different they're just being sold on the hype unfortunately. You cannot change the laws of physics.
You made a lot of valid points. Recently an EV owner needed to get the batteries replaced. The vehicle had a little more than 160 000 km on it. He was quoted $50 000 to replace the batteries. Another EV owner also needed new batteries. He was quoted $20 000, In either case the repair costs are so high that the car owner ends up throwing the car in the garbage. China makes EV cars too. The major brand in China is BYD. They are expanding into the world market now. They are priced well below most other EV"s. The most important point you made was that these vehicles are new technology. So it is anybody's guess which model to buy. We do not know how long the batteries will last. Lastly I did not consider the insurance cost. Tx. for mentioning that. Well for now I will stay with my gasoline powered vehicle.
Maybe the China ones are cheap but when its time for a replacement battery i expect it to be an expensive overall, the battery maybe cheap but having someone to replace it is where the cost will mount up.
Maybe the China batteries are cheaper. A whole bunch of batteries may have to be replaced and it is a lot of work. Therefore it is so expensive you may end up throwing the car in the garbage. @@ubolsueathet1201
@@doriangray6985 There's ICE, Hybrid, Plug-in Hybrid and EV... I only have a Hybrid, so the electric engine kicks in automatically here and there to save on gas, but usually only a mile or two at a time, depends on what you're doing with the gas... the purpose of a Hybrid is just an ICE car that has better gas mileage and more torque... the PHEV version of the Tucson gets something like 30 miles on Electric if I recall correctly. I love my hybrid, just cuz it's basically an ICE car with great gas mileage and instant torque... i fuel up at the pump far less often than when I had an ICE car.
I have had an Ioniq5 for 2 years and am scratching my head with most of your problems. No issues with tyre wear, low servicing costs, no problems with any aspect ofthe car and its performance, exactly the same insurance costs as my petrol car, range displayed on screen is very accurate, no issues with public charging (to be fair i do have a home charger as well). Of course i share the concerns with the life of the battery, purchase price and resale as a consequence but at this stage i am going along, very quietly, for the ride!
The comment section is here for people who nothing about electric cars telling everyone the batteries going to die, the car will catch on fire or the classic my work is 1400 miles away so an electric car won't work for me
@@davemay7797 - You are so right, Dave! So I shall not comment on my flawless 2015 Nissan Leaf I bought in 2017 for $9K. I am retired, so long commutes don't come into play. Keeping the battery charge between 50 to 75% is indicating after 7 years ownership no appreciable degradation with average trips less than 20 miles. Charge at home off my backyard solar system and have only had to add washer fluid so far. So for a retired person an EV is likely the perfect car. take care, rh
Not every vehicle is right for everyone or every use. We have owned pickups and muscle cars each for it’s own specialty. Our long range Model Y is a great car. 20 months old 20,000 miles. A half dozen trips over 600 miles round trip and one over 1400 miles. When local we charge in our garage 8cents kWh or free from solar. We have never had issues on the road. This car is the best car I have ever owned. Cheap to operate, maintenance is nothing, fun to drive. Not for everyone and every situation but really good fit for many.
@peterhicks5590Lots actually. If you want to carry more than one bike it is best to have a bike rack on a towbar. Picking up a load of gravel from the garden centre, or taking a load of rubbish to the tip, or helping children move house with a box trailer are all very easy with an EV. Many of the EV owners I know have tow bars. What are your "good reasons" for your doubting? If you need to take a caravan 1000km into the outback in a single day you are a rare use case.
RECOMMENDED STATE OF CHARGE Yup, general advice is to keep your battery charged under 80%. Failure to do so has little to no consequence, except for increased risk of degradation. Advice also includes charging to 100% for long trips. Real EV drivers do both.
This applies more so to lithium MNC batteries, lithium fepho batteries can be charge to 100% with little degradation and a longer life with a slightly lower energy density Also test have shown that dcfc a battery once a month or so can help extend the life expentancy
Many insurance companies have issues with EVs. My neighbor bought a new EV Cadillac and had an electrician install a charger in his garage. Agent asked for a picture of charger he sent it and a couple weeks later the company said he had to remove charger from the garage to outside at least 25 feet from any structure. 🤷♂️
And which insurance company is that? Because nearly all insurance companies unanimously agree that EV’s are 20-60 times less likely to catch Fire spontaneously compared to ICE cars.
@@michaelwinkelman7165 then why do lost auto insurance companies have published on their websites independent studies they’ve commissioned that reveal EV’s are 20-60 times less likely to catch fire and to have those numbers corroborated but safety regulators across the globe like the American NHTSA and the Australian AANCAP safety board.
A big drawback for me, not even factoring in the actual cost of the car itself, is how to charge it. I've heard that most of the time, and obviously it can vary, you're probably looking at no less than half hour to charge to 80%, with a full charge taking ridiculously longer. How would I be able to charge though? I would have to do public pay charging stations since I live in an apartment complex and have zero hope of charging overnight. And don't even get me started on that recommendation to only charge up to 80% capacity thing. Why? Why is it recommended to not fully charge your vehicle? As it stands right now, I have a Blazer that I absolutely love having, in spite of the fact that it gets pretty terrible mileage. I fuel up once a week, on Friday evening on my way home from work. Five minutes, and I'm gone, full to the top. What if I could only fill its tank to the 80% mark, or if my fuel tank was 20% smaller? I'd be filling up to go around 200 miles, roughly equivalent to what I could expect of an EV, except it would still take five to six times less to fuel up than an EV. If my tank was 20% smaller, how much less time would it take, maybe a minute or two, three at the absolute most? Because who wouldn't want to sit around at a public charging station for half an hour on their way home from work on Friday? Short answer... Me. I wouldn't want to.
Well, you're not supposed to charge them to 100% or you decrease the life of the battery. And don't get them under 20% because.... you guessed it, you decrease the life of the battery.
@@teekay_1 Yep, so you are only effectively getting 60% of the usable capacity. Winter is going to be fun for a lot of EV owners, with drastically reduced range they're going to have to charge en-route, almost certainly at lower power. Which means sitting in their car during rain, sleet, snow and whatever else the weather throws at us while the car charges. Imagine it starts to snow and you have to stop for an hour to charge your car to get home? You might not even make it out of the service station by the time it's done. No thanks. Funny thing is you still seem to get EV owners that think this is somehow more convenient than stopping to fill up with fossil fuel for 5 minutes. Maybe we should start installing outside toilets again too, it has to be more convenient than going upstairs to pee, right?
@@Mr_Spock512 _Boss, I'm sorry, I can't make it into work today; I had half a charge on my EV battery but the temp dropped down to 10 F and I got stuck 5 miles from my house. I'm waiting for a truck to trailer it back to my house, but they're busy with all the other EV owners who ran out of battery as well_
One thing that wasnt mentioned is Safty. Ev batteries can be tempermental. Some have been known to spontaneously catch fire. If this happens the vehicle is consumed in flames very quickly and the fires from an EV is very hard to put out.
I have had my EV for 15 months and I have driven 30K klm I am 100% happy with the car ( Genesis GV60 ) I live in BC Canada and we have lots and lots of EV charging stations . I just drove from Vancouver Island to Calgary Alberta and back I never had to wait to charge at any charging station and the best part they were all free fast charging Chevron On The Run are all free charging . As far as the tire wear once you get past the novelty of the insane speed and power and just stay in the Eco mode you will have normal tire wear and much better range .
Perhaps you'll consider a long trip to New York City? Manhattan has a couple of charging stations and more in other boroughs. Just hope when you need charging there is no one ahead of you.
I rented a Tesla while I was in Michigan on vacation. Big mistake!!! I traveled all around the state and there’s a huge lack of charging stations. So if I had to charge the car. I was driving 30 minutes (each way) and spending 45 minutes waiting for the charge to complete. I had a range of 265 miles with a full charge. Ridiculous and a huge waste of time!
So why would you use an ev to travel outside of a city though lol? It’s common knowledge they take a while to charge and makes sense that chargers are not as available as a gas station
What bollocks. You just don’t know what you are doing. Renting any EV without experience means you don’t know where/how to use chargers, don’t know about destination chargers, or have an extension cord for regular outlets. EV owners charge overnight so it is full when they begin. The nav in the car will take you to superchargers on your route. 250 kw chargers take 20 minutes or less, I’ve never charged longer than that.
I’ve got a neighbor that owns a Tesla. Today I was going to the mail box and he was screaming on the phone he kept saying never again,never again . I asked him if everything was alright,he told me that his Tesla had quit working and he had to h😮ave it towed to the shop. He’d just got a call from them telling him that his battery was fried and it was going to cost him $32,000 to replace it and some other stuff . His warranty was expired and it wasn’t worth anywhere near that . I felt sorry for him as I looked at my car and thought no way in hell , no way in hell .
I had the opportunity to drive EV for a week and a half. I drove the Hyndia Kona the only good thing is that it drove smooth and had a few good features, the main problems: trying to find a working charging station/ waiting for the other EV to charge at the charging station/ in the amount of time that it take to charge the EV you could have filled up 6 to 20 vehicles/ you will pass up 30 gas station driving around trying to find a charging station/ and sometimes the kios at the charging stations will not take your payment.
if you live in the country, in America, normally you don't really find a place to charge the car, so you have to charge it at home before you leave. In Europe, the towns are relatively close and it is not difficult to find to charge.
The statement that you could be replacing your tires 2 to3 times more often with an EV is unfounded and in my opinion totally false. Based on my experience and what I have been reading the extra wear could be more in the order of 20% for average drivers . So, this is not a major problem (unless you abuse a lot of the extra power often available with EVs)
I fully agree with that, it is a false statement, my 450 HP 4wd Chevy pick-up is heaver than my Model 3 and it doesn’t eat tires unless I keep using the gas peddle as an on and off switch.
You have two people giving you unsubstantiated reports that the tyre change statement is false and apparently one other unsubstantiated report elsewhere in these comments telling you that it's true. That you chose to go with the one report is an interesting choice. As another EV owner I can tell you that, unless you drive it like you stole it, your tyres will wear a little faster than an ICe vehicle but changing them 2 to 3 times more often is total rubbish. @@GNMi79
Well ok Let me put it this way Most ice vehicles can go And buy the cheap azz tire And go about But not with ev tesla The sheer weight of that ev Will eat those cheap tires Thats a proven fact.
Your statement "But not with ev tesla The sheer weight of that ev Will eat those cheap tires" is an interesting one. These numbers are from the relevant manufacturers web sites. Tesla Model 3: Length 185.8" or 4,719.32mm Weight 1,765 kg BMW M3: Length 4,794mm Weight 1,805 Kg Similar vehicle sizes similar weights. Interestingly it's difficult to get the weights of other similarly sized cars. How are you proving you fact? @@plusblood5101
My biggest concern for now is that I drive on highways for about 120-150 miles one way a few times a month. Sometimes, the destinations are not a city with plenty of charging stations. I don't want to have to stop somewhere (for 30-40 minutes to charge) on the way home because my range of ~200 miles are not enough for my entire round trip. Anyone's got similar experience?
@@Ian-mv4qq Honestly, it all depends on how much battery you want to carry around. Same can be said for fuel tank size. I used to have a hotrod with a Buick Nailhead that got 9mpg off of a 12 gallon aluminum tank.
INSTALLED SOLAR PANELS on my home and charging station at the same time (So I don't have to pay to charge my EV). Solves most of the problem charging except when I'm traveling on a long trip. Which I almost never do. My office is only 14 miles from my home. So driving range is not a problem.
That’s awesome, I’m planning on getting a solar roof in a few years to get the free charging as well. I was actually looking into getting the shingles that have the solar panels built in since I will need new shingles anyway and don’t want to put anymore weight on my roof.
@@jasoncrandall I haven't gotten them yet, I said I was planning on getting them in a few years. From what I'm being quoted though, it's looking like $20 - $30 thousand depending on the size of the system.
Having worked in the I.T. industry for most of my career, I lerarned that the same old adage still applies as in the early years. "LEADING EDGE BLEEDNG EDGE"
I have a 2021 Model 3 SR+, my wife drives a ‘21 VW ID.4 PRO. Both of these are the least expensive trims of those models - they have the smallest battery pack and the shortest range. That being said, they have provided 2.5 years of solid, reliable, and easy transportation for our family (2 adults and 2 teenage boys), in daily commuting AND long distance family vacations. We’ve taken them on trips to remote areas like the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, to across the US. I will state categorically that neither of us would ever return to ICE vehicles. All I see on the roads is more and more EVs. The FUD being disseminated in this video is countered by the fact that EVs are becoming a larger and larger share of vehicle sales, and in response to that, even legacy car brands are making more EVs to sell. If you want the real and actual story of life with an EV, talk with EV owners. You’ll find most are happy to share their experiences with those curious about EVs. Safe driving all!
@@retiefgregorovich810 Actually EV sales account for closer to 8% of new car sales in the US, and double that worldwide. And most importantly, in both markets, EV manufacturing and sales are increasing. Every. Single. Day. That’s the reality. That’s the future. Pretty much every auto manufacturer knows that, and is reading the writing on the wall. That there are some individuals who can’t or won’t understand the future is immaterial and unimportant. There are still some who use a horse and buggy as their sole transportation. And they tend to hang out together in their own little group. They have zero impact on the choices society makes regarding transportation. Safe travels all. 🙂
They are not perfect, but I've experienced only one of these issues with my 2018 Model 3 long range with 33k miles. No range anxiety, very little battery degradation (-10 miles) , zero issues when using superchargers, still on my original tires (my previous Acura burned through tires every 20k miles) . I had one recent repair of the power conversion system costing $1900. I would absolutely purchase another Tesla, but will keep one gas vehicle as well
It was mentioned that Tesla would not be facing the same challanges that the legacy automakers are facing. Tesla has been making EV's for many years and has built an infrastrucure around their brand. Ford ,GM, Toyota, etc. are just beginning to build EV's, and they don't know what to do. They can't produce these cars in the traditional way and make a profit, so they are overchargimg customers who purchase their ICE vehicles to finance their EV division.
Get smart and buy a hybrid. We have a ‘22 Honda Accord hybrid. Uses on board batteries that are charged when break is applied…e.g. at a red light. It carries gas but we get 42 mpg.
You are getting great mileage, sadly many hybrids do not … there is definitely a place for them. It’s a case of looking at what will fit your needs best …
@@chrisbraid2907 The new Toyota trucks are hybrid but their emphasis is adding more horsepower for their use. Hybrids have 2 purposes, some are for added mpg, others for better towing capacity. RE; Tacoma, Tundra.
Good luck also driving an electric car from Sydney to Melbourne (Australia) which I can currently do on one tank of fuel, without having to stop to charge.
With an ev, you only save fuel cost if you charge at home. Any time you charge at a public charging station, the cost per mile is about the same as using gas.
Re: tires, should be clarified the JD Associates survey with "13,000 miles" replacement stat refers to OE tires. Misleading to translate this to "2 - 3x" replacement cycle as new tires can be a better spec or tech vs the original tires. The slight cost premium of EV specific tires does not come close to extra ICE costs; especially performance vehicles. Re: resell with old battery (8 years+), there are options beyond new replacement. Refurbishment (like a tune up) can provide a practical second life to an existing battery with capacity recovery up to 90%. Given this item is long term costs will go down significantly, while simultaneously providing an Upgrade to range and other stats. With more EV's being written off due to high costs / giga casting trend, there will be more used batteries medium term. Disclaimer: Satisfied PHEV LiPO owner; encourage others to wait for semi-solid 4C+ capable batteries.
Don’t believe all the negative “facts” in this video. I have owned a Tesla for 5 years and some of the points in the video are true but I can honestly report to you I will NEVER go back to a combustion engine car again! Let me explain. My home has 60 solar panels installed on its roof. The panels supply all of my homes power needs and has enough to supply my car for a zero out of pocket cost for all of my needs. So I enjoy energy independence. I don’t have to get oil changes or tuneups. I keep my tires inflated to proper air pressures and put water in the windshield reservoir. The tires get rotated every 10,000 miles. That’s it. Other then wash and wax once a month. Brakes that will last a lifetime because you never really use the brakes because the car regenerate that power in momentum to recharge the battery while stopping the car. ( no energy lost ) plus no emissions from a nonexistent tale pipe! Add to the fact you will no longer be getting screwed at the gas station really is satisfying!
Insurance for EV's is comparable to ICE vehicles. Given that you can see a lifetime fuel savings of over $40,000-$60,000 and a a lifetime maintenance savings of $10,000-$20,000 the cost of tires and depreciation on an EV should not be much of a worry.
Thanks brother for your information that you gave us before we go to EV. In my opinion ,the gas cars better than EV vehicles because When I compare EV with the gas cars, we won’t spend $20 thousand in 10 years to the maintenance however if we will cost us $20 thousand to replace the battery.
I live near the Reno, Nevada and there are lots of EVS, mostlyTeslas, here. They can generally be seen between here and almost anywhere in California. Once you head east into the desert and then across most of the US until you get to more major cities, you see almost none of them. Cost may be an issue as those in the hinterlands do not have as much money as those in big cities, but I believe that range and lack of charging stations are two major problems. I recently drove cross country in my Camry hybrid only stopping for gas every 500-600 miles. After 5-10 minutes, I was on my way again. On the open western and midwestern roads and freeways EVs were basically non-existent. I will buy one when true range is 400 miles or more and there are plenty of charging stations. Also, charging times need to be faster than 20 minutes. I am not sure if this is possible. EVs are perfect for short to medium range trips, not long distances. Many Americans cannot afford to have two cars, so the ICE vehicle is their choice.
That's why I decided to get a hybrid after my last gas only car. I wanted the higher mpg of hybrids but did'nt want to be tethered to a charger while gas stations are still readily available where I drive.
@@aceroadholder2185 I know that, but now you have a combustion engine and electric engine to worry about. There's a lot of tech in there which is proportional to the number of possible problems.
Me personally, a Flex Fuel Plug in Hybrid with at least 100mile range. Reason is most people's commute is less than 100mile round trip on average. So it means I rarely have to charge on the go and if I do need to make those long distance trip, I don't have to worry about stopping at any charging station where the price per charge can vary greatly.
I like the way the problems are presented from the standpoint of practical issues as opposed to political or economical issues. This video is a good warning about doing your research before you buy.
This is a rational analysis. As a 66 year old who has observed technological development for half a century I will wait until electric vehicle technology matures. There is no way I would have purchased the first VCRs, flat screen TVs, cell phones, personal computers, or any number of things I have seen become reasonably priced and genuinely useful with further development.
Buying a PHEV and charging it at home overnight makes a lot more sense for most. Or save more up front and buy a used hybrid. Toyota hybrids are often reliable to 175 thousand miles. A short drive to work will save you a lot of time and money.
Correct but if you keep driving a short distance and the engine unable to perform their role then … will be a problem too. Engine under performing can cause more trouble ( this is my opinion only)PHEV
But you still end up maintain the engine and a more complex system in general. If it has to be a toyota. Toyota plans to start producing electric vehicles (EVs) in the United States in 2025. The company's first U.S.-assembled battery electric vehicle will be a three-row SUV. Toyota also plans to start production at its first battery plant in North America, located in Liberty, North Carolina.
I have had a new EV for just under a year and am very happy with it. But my circumstances are unique to me. I live in a warm country, Portugal. I have solar panels so my driving is mostly free. I got a 5 year service free deal. I have only been away from home once where I needed to use public charging. No queues in Portugal. If when I need a new battery pack in 10-12 years time technology will have changed so much, I suspect the cost of a new battery will be at least 50% less than today. Let's wait and see when I need new tyres.
@@tommyking626 not sure what you mean. home battery. If you have had a battery that only lasted 7 years, then it was made 7 years ago. Battery technology has change in the last 7 years.
I have a Mach E. Car has been great. Paid about $33k for it after federal rebate. Cost me $0.90 to drive 100 miles. I rarely use a public charger. Car needs zero maintenance. Had it two years and it's never seen a shop. Range sucks in the winter however. Our second car is a PHEV.
I plan to wait at least five years to see what happens with electric vehicles also, I really don’t think they are worth the extra premium in price that you pay both at the dealership and at your insurance company, as well as the maintenance costs which tend to be rather high
I think they're probably worth the extra cost if you home charge *and* do the miles needed to get that upfront cost back on not buying petrol. For us we can't justify it - our big car does less than 8k a year - we'd never see the savings back. I can see us getting a small local runabout EV though, but more than likely will wait for technology to improve.
00:00:55 Проблемы с общественными зарядными устройствами • Ненадежность и сложность использования общественных зарядных устройств. • Необходимость загрузки фирменного приложения для некоторых устройств. 00:01:53 Непредсказуемый запас хода • Влияние экстремальных климатических условий на запас хода. • Рекомендация держать батарею заряженной от 20 до 80%. 00:03:30 Деградация аккумулятора • Ухудшение емкости аккумулятора со временем. • Рекомендация выбирать электромобиль с большим запасом хода. 00:04:29 Шины • Износ шин из-за большого потребления энергии на колеса и веса электромобиля. • Необходимость частой замены шин. 00:05:28 Стоимость ремонта и обслуживания • Сложность ремонта и обслуживания электромобилей. • Высокая стоимость ремонта и обслуживания по сравнению с обычными автомобилями. • Ограниченная сеть сервисных центров для некоторых брендов, таких как Tesla. 00:06:27 Проблемы владения электромобилями • Неизвестная долгосрочная надежность электромобилей, так как большинство популярных моделей давно не выпускались. • Стоимость или потенциальный отказ аккумулятора, особенно после истечения гарантийного срока. • Стоимость при перепродаже, так как стоимость электромобилей падает после 8 лет использования. • Стоимость страховки, так как ремонт электромобилей может быть дорогим. 00:10:10 Проблемы с покупкой электромобилей • Электромобили дороги и недоступны для большинства потребителей. • Технологии улучшаются, и в течение следующего десятилетия многие проблемы могут быть решены. • Гибриды или подключаемые модули могут быть более разумным выбором для многих потребителей
Some of these points will not apply to many people. I've owned an EV for 15 months and in that time I've used a public charger twice, despite doing over 20k miles per year. In my case, both times I used a public charger there were no issues and no need to download an app, although I accept that this won't always be the case. In terms of range variability, the same is true of ICE vehicles. My previous deisel car used to get about 70mpg in the summer and 50mpg in the winter, although again this totally depends on how you use the vehicle and what your climate is like. My maintenance costs have been far lower with an EV. Mine is a Hyundai, as was my previous deisel vehicle. Both vehicles were supposed to be services every 10k miles. The deisel I would get serviced every 10miles, so over twice per year, which in the UK would cost me about £1000. My EV I only get services every 20k miles, because 10k seems pointless and after the first 20k miles all I was charged for was one hours labour as there was nothing that needed doing, cost £165. I use the same tyres as I did on my deisel. The cost is £10 more per tyre, because I use the high load version. Previously I was replacing the tyres every 20k miles, whereas now it's about every 15k miles, so it was about £360 per year and is now £530 per year. My insurance was about the same in the first year of ownership, but has gone up £60 for the second year. Apart from the fact that the overall maintenance has cost me a lot less, I also save £250 per month on fuel, but my overall cost of ownership is very similar between the two, because of higher monthly finance costs, due to the higher purchase price. In my experience ownership has been a totally painless experience, although I am part of a very small niche group for whom I think EV's make financial sense, that is people who do higher mileage, preferrably exclusively around town, but who can almost always charge from home. This will not be the case for most people who will either do lower mileage or will make up their higher mileage with longer journeys on faster roads. I still think the biggest problem with EV's is the fact that being a new technology there is always the possibilty that there will be a breakthrough that renders current EV's obsolete and worthless.
Thanks for being honest about your experience and situation with regard to EVs. They are NOT for everyone. But they are suitable for people in certain situations, and you mention some of those -- home charging, local driving, etc.
£1000 to service a Hyundai diesel? I've never paid over £350 and I drive a Jag. As for range, a 20 mpg drop in the winter, I don't get that. I don't know what mine is, using heated seats, a/c all the time, screen heaters and so on and I've never noticed any significant drop in range so it can't be much and absolutely nowhere near 20mpg. You also didn't include the depreciation factor. That said, I don't particularly think it's price that's the number one thing that holds people back as anybody who can afford a new car can almost certainly afford a new EV. Value, on the other hand, is another thing entirely.
@@rgroove1970 That's EXACTLY what I keep saying to those raving about the cheap Chinese EVs that are on the way, I've challenged the Chinese to come back in 10 years and tell us how good they are then. Needless to say I've had no takers. Makes me laugh how EV owners get through a year with no problems and think it's something special, some sort of achievement - maybe it is for an EV. My car is 15 years old next year and got through the year with no problems. Same last year etc. These will be bad for the environment in the long term because when they get to 10 years old they'll be scrapped. Who is going to buy a 10 year old EV knowing that at some point during their ownership it's that much closer to needing new batteries, or motors, or heat pumps etc; all expensive components.
Maintenance cost is a big advantage, not a disadvantage. Old EVs like the Nissan Leaf and Tesla Model 3 have proven to cost as much as half the average car to maintain.
According to Car Edge, the average cost of maintaining a Tesla Model 3 over a decade is $3,587 - this is cheaper compared to luxury sedans that have an average maintenance cost of $8,374.
We've had our Chevy Bolt for almost a year. For a commuter car it's fantastic. With tax rebates we got is brand new for around $25000. We save $200 a month in gas.
Wow, the anti-EV FUD is strong with this video. I own both a 23-year old Lexus and a one-year-old Ford Mach-e. I've put 20,000 miles on the Ford and have had zero issues. The idea that the tires wear early is crap. I've seen no more wear on mine than on the Lexus. Also, the battery "issue" does not exist. I have a vendor who purchased a ten-year-old Tesla with 130,000 miles. The battery had degraded about 10%. He took it to a repair shop, and spent $1,000 to update the battery with more range than new and a five-year warranty. Just curious what oil company is behind this video.
I've owned a Tesla P85DL for 9 years and 95,000 miles. I really like the car but it's been expensive to own when you include the initial cost, even though I have free supercharging. I have spent more on repairs than most of my ICE vehicles. The range is down by around 15%. It also appears my car is only worth about 20% of what I paid for it. Hybrids make much more sense overall unless like me you love the acceleration of EVs.
@KaiPonte The latest was $2,500 to replace the air conditioning system, which also conditions the battery. Most of the other repairs were covered by the warranty. These included rear drive train failure, main screen replaced, and mcu update. Other out of warranty has been 12 volt battery and broken handle. On my ICE vehicles, I can easily replace the battery but not on the tesla. I did fix the handle for under $30, but it took me a couple of hours. Now I still like the car and infact, just purchased another model S because I like the performance and the new one has a much greater range. It was also less expensive after a large price reduction. The only thing I don't like on the new car is stockless turn signals.
One of the drawbacks I'm not seeing discussed is grid capacity. Our distribution network cannot even handle a heat wave much less a large increase in the number of EVs. And how would you charge them when the grid is barely able to support the increased demand by HVAC systems during such events?
Grid capacity is definitely a drawback that "will" likely be an issue for the EV industry and owners in the future, but right now, it's just not a problem. EVs are still a small percentage of US auto sales. That said, grid capacity is one of two infrastructure issues that will most certainly have to be addressed before EVs will gain widespread appeal in North America--the other being charging station availability and reliability. In short, I believe the grid capacity issue will be mostly resolved before EVs are widespread.
Excellent video!!!!I drove a loaner electric Mercedez EQS for over a month….. most importantly you have to have a home Fast charger number 2,don’t plan of making any long road trip like 100 miles or more cause you will definitely experience stress ….if you get one just use it for a daily commute or for errands around town I’ve experienced the anxiety and I agree with you 150%
I see things similarly to you. For me, the extremely high purchase price for electric cars is central. Some of the problems you mentioned could be avoided with a leasing contract. However, I suspect that the monthly rates will be correspondingly high.
EMF effect on health? My understanding of EMF is electro magnetic force. EMF is generated when an electric or magnetic field changes. A battery is static DC, it does not create an EMF. The motor in an EV does use an EMF to produce the rotational force, but it is contained within the motor casing, because not doing so will reduce efficiency.
I have had a Tesla for two years, and my wife has a Defender we have a the gas ride if needed. I don’t think I could go back to a gas-powered car. I charge 99% of the time at home.
@@aceroadholder2185 my Tesla was 50K though. The prices will come down. Small cars for urban environments not giant electric SUV long haulers that’s foolish.
@@aceroadholder2185some people don't have money to buy a car at all. Do you think about them when you drive your car? People buy what they want/afford.
2:55 - well, yes, in day-to-day driving, it’s best to keep the battery at 2/3ish charge (except for LFP batteries), but if you’re about to take a road trip, definitely charge it up all the way first. The issue is only long-term. I personally don’t recommend EVs nor PHEVs unless you can routinely slow-charge at home or at work. If you can though, they’re a real pleasure to drive. A lot of people ask, “what if you run out of charge and there’s no charger around?” That’s a lot like asking, “what if you get sleepy and there’s no bed around?” In other words, why would you get into such a situation? In day-to-day driving, you pretty much never have to think about charging. For road tripping, EVs have built-in trip-planning apps to make the planning really easy. There are great smartphone apps for that too.
@@matt8264 seriously, my car is 18 years old now and the MPG hasn't degraded at all. total maintenance over 2 decades is under 5k as well since I do the work myself. EV aren't the future, nor are they competitive, especially since once the central banks are dismantled around the world, the price of fuel will drop by 75% or more and stay there.
@@GDM22 You are paying a premium for an electric car over a gas one. So while you claim to be saving money between fill up’s you pay more for the car. Obviously how long you own it will determine if you get a return on investment.
@@zarroth Similar story, 26 year old Honda Accord still getting 28 MPG around town, no loss of range, I need to replace a sway bar bushing. And I upgraded the sound system to support Apple Carplay.
To everyone that got EVs: Thanks for being our guinea pigs and setting the road for us in the future. I've gained enough life experience to learn that stuff that's pushed on us by the government are rarely for our benefits. I've also learned that you never jump on newer technology, software, electronics and so forth. You should let other people be the test subjects, it's also very entertaining to watch them regret their decisions to an obviously horrible choice(s).
Where do you live? If your in a warm climate year long then they are okay but living in Canada or a cold climate area then they are massively unreliable.
I have had EV's for over 7 years, no expense on repairs or servicing, great to drive, I will never go back to an unreliable, expensive to run ICE car. They are such a faff to drive, with an EV you just press the peddle to go and lift to stop, pure one peddle driving
@@leedouglas7080 But you're OK with those same children mining for the Lithium in your laptop and cell phone that you're typing your comment on, right?
Here's two that I just learned about recently. The batteries will not charge when they are cold. They have a battery heater built in to keep the battery warm, and yes they drain voltage and shorten your range. If you park overnight in 20 degree weather not on a charger, the battery will get too cold to charge. And it will then have to use the remaining battery power to heat the battery before it can begin charging - the charging stations don't provide power to heat the battery. You can get into a situation where the battery is too cold to charge and there's not enough juice left to heat it enough. Then it tow truck time. The second thing is that if an EV is in a wreck that may have sent shock waves through the battery, they have to replace it. The impact may have jolted a connection loose inside the battery and there's no way to open the battery to find or fix it. Without fixing it, the risk of fire greatly increases. This is also why insurance is so high because repair costs will also be high. Imagine taking an $80K car for service and it costing $20K. That's 25% of the cost of the whole car!
Most of my driving involves longer distance so, no, EVs aren't a consideration for me nor will they likely ever be. My EV owning friends often tell me there are "superchargers" across the country which can be used to quickly charge EVs during longer trips. I always respond with a challenge: I will race them from Atlanta to LA and back. I never get a response. :)
Sure if your job is to race from LA to Atlanta, then current EV's are not for you. But the line, "I race from LA to Atlanta for a living," is a line said by no one in history.
First of all, this is an excellent video giving real-time facts, which I have gradually been discovering for myself, therefore I have confidence in all that is explained here. I still believe that if I am seriously thinking of buying an EV, it will be a hybrid. The main reason is the issue of the complexities and irritations of recharging at public chargers, also I hear that vandals are beginning to pull the charger plugs out just for kicks, while the driver is having a rest or meal
@@ThomasWalerius The average car buyer, whether conservative or a flaming liberal, is constrained by economics. Thus the flood of unsold and unsellable electric vehicles sitting in dealers lots, GM and Ford are taking a bloodbath on them and slowing production. You my friend own what makes you happy, why can't you let others do what makes them happy?
I have an elctcric BMW CE-04. I will be trading it in before the three year warranty runs out. After three months of ownership, its in the repair shop.
I got one but i only felt safer on my choice once you reviewed the Ioniq 6 vs Tesla and when Scott Kilmer reviewed the Ionig 5. All your points are valid but, like you said, going for a choice that had longer range gave me a lot of piece of mind. Thank you for your great work.
This program is strictly for dumbasses. Before any EV is sold to a customer, mandatory electric vehicle ownership classes must be taken. Especially battery charging and safety.
Longer range does not necessarily mean better. His advice is not very good there. A Standard range Tesla can be charged to 100% all oft he time, the long range Tesla is only meant to be charged to 80%, meaning that it loses 20% of its distance, which makes it basically the same distance as the standard range anyway. So unless you are using all of that range every single time you drive it, its completely pointless going for the long range, not to mention the standard range is a battery quality battery. This guy is spreading propaganda bs and exaggerating the truth.
But I though you wanted... *EV* the future hmm? Havent had enough of what happends to iphones, or charging battery degradation? *Or* *did* *you* *seriously* *it* *wouldnt* *happened* *to* *EV* AHAHAHAHAA
i don't want a car that forces me to change the way i drive, plan and calculate routes for long trips, worry about broken and slow chargers or handshake problems, heater affecting range (ice cars mileage not affected), cold weather affecting range (ice cars mileage not affected), warnings of staying above 20% but not above 80% charge, premature tire wear, premature suspension wear, trading a 2min fill up for a 45min 80% charge (that's insane).... all that just to avoid paying $35 to fill up? only an idiot buys a 100k tesla model x because of gas prices!
Heaters don’t greatly affect range anymore. Tire and suspension wear isn’t any more than a comparable ICE car (those a myths). Modern V3 super chargers will charge you 80% in 5 to 10 minutes. But the majority of owners charge from home overnight and spend 0 minutes waiting for a charge or fuel. Saving the average person around 16-17 hours per year on getting fuel. You can buy a model 3 for less than the average car price in the US. Certainly below $100k. (Closer to $35k) and to save an average of $50 a week on fuel give or take $2,600 per year savings plus not needing any servicing which is savings again.
Yah, and don't forget all the money spent while waiting for a charge at a public charger for those that go and buy stuff, they normally wouldn't have, if driving an ICE vehicle. Higher insurance payments. Tire replacement cost more and are changed more frequent than on an ICE vehicle.
@@Pk3_Garage not sure why you think using a public charger forces you to buy more stuff. Not like service stations have shops in them with cigarettes, toys, snacks, lollies etc.
Like your clearheaded presentations. We've owned a Tesla y for exactly one year. I agree with all your conclusions.. This Tesla has been wonderful. But we are retired , have a charger in our driveway and the areas we wish to visit have plenty of Tesla chargers. The reason I mention being retired is we have plenty of time to stop on a trip, relax, use the bathroom, etc. If I lived in one of the red states with few charging options it would be a problem. I agree for most people a hybrid is the best option. However I am certain that on two occasions Tesla's powerful Autopilot program avoided accidents on the highway. For awhile Tesla offered one month free autopilot. It was impressive. Thanks
Good video, but you forgot a couple of very important issues: - Lifespan. EVs will on average last just under 10 years. For gas/diesel cars, the number is around 17 years (diesel slightly longer). - EV batteries can easily catch fire, which is a complete nightmare to extinguish. You're right about long warranty on EV batteries. But some companies, mainly Tesla, will ALWAYS try to blame the car owner when something happens, which is why there is ALWAYS up to several court trials going on at the same time, even here in Norway, which is a small country, population wise. I will NEVER buy a Tesla, because their customer service doesn't really exist, at least after you've bought the car.
Your right. Our Toyota Camry 2012 still runs as well as the day it was bought. Now the government wants us to buy an ev costing so much more than a gasoline car. Then after about 8 years you have to junk it because it will cost too much to replace the batteries. I hope they come out with hydrogen cars soon.
Nissan releases the Nissan Leaf with no battery cooling which negatively affected how long the battery lasted. No electric car manufacturer fell for that yet somehow, the anti EV community can't mentally update their facts and still dumbly claim they last 10 years. EV batteries don't easily catch fire. As a percentage, they catch fire nearly 30 times less than ICE cars. I agree they are harder to extinguish but that's because the fire brigade don't all have the correct equipment. When petrol cars came out, the fire brigade couldn't put petrol fires out because they just used water. Technology catches up. There will always be people blindly against the newest thing. When petrol cars came out there were people who would "never get one, it's not the future, I don't have to fill my horse up, there's nowhere to get fuel, they take ages to fill up" which is the same old nonsense we are hearing this time around.
I have never owned a vehicle more than 8 years. Had Kia,dodge, Nissan , Chevy. Maybe it’s a Honda or Toyota mindset for 15 years ownership. Got a model y I’ll never know can never go back to the 19th century gas technology.
@@videocanonuser Funny that, as I have been driving EV's for over 7 years now and I have never worn a tyre down yet, maybe I'm not driving it right. I do drive it like I stole it, but the computer takes the wear out of the tyres, no matter how hard I floor it and it will do 0-60 in 3.9s
There are (at present) three charging levels. Level 1 is plug into a standard 110 volt outlet - the car comes with one of these plugs. That is super slow and can take 40 to 50 hours for a full charge (no kidding). Level 2 is a dedicated 220 volt outlet, like what your stove or clothes dryer has. You can have one of these wired up and a home charging station installed. They typically charge at 1 minute per mile of added range. A 60 minute charge will get you 60 miles of range. Then there's Level 3, which is a public charging station with a super charger. These can get you 250 miles of range in as little as 20 minutes. But not all public chargers are super chargers, so be ready for that surprise.
Talking to EV owners will reveal the truth . If you live in a warmer area and simply drive within 25 miles of your home its a nice , despite expensive toy to add to your collection . However, the TV ads are quite deceptive. " Plug it in at night and your ready to go in the moring " . Notice the ad never mentions -Go Where ? Not 300 miles like the window sticker indicates , you need at least 3 nights of charging for that . Are you OK with stopping 3-4 times to charge your EV for at least 40 minutes on a long trip ? Are you OK with driving 50 MPH on a Turnpike simply to keep up with traffic to attain the distance they advertise ? The reality is if you drive 75-80 you use 1/2 of the stored electricity . If you use the Heater, you use 1/2 of the electricity. Charging in your home garage sets up the possibility of a fire. In fact ask any Fire Dept what happens when they apply water to a Battery powered auto fire. Are you aware that once the battery fails after warranty a replacement is over $ 25000 installed ? Are you aware that Europe rental company Sixt dropped Teslas and bought gas powered vehicles ? Are you aware that American company Hertz just dumped 20,000 Teslas because they cost a fortune to repair ? Our govt is attempting to force Americans to go " ELECTRIC " to ensure that their investment in batteries provide them a fortune in retirement . Everything else happening is simply to keep our minds off of whats really happening . Its the Pied Piper story on this decade.
I guess because I have owned a Tesla for over 5 years I have not encountered any of the concerns raised in this video, except for one. I do go through tires more so than an ICE car. I guess it’s partly because of the weight of the car but probably more so the jack rabbit accelerations. The 0-60 in three seconds never gets old. In five years no repair costs, no maintenance, never had a moment of range anxiety. I would never drive an ICE car again. In fact, it’s so annoying to drive a rental ICE car when I travel.
In my experience, the tires do wear more quickly, but a rate of 3 x is crazy. This guy and his video are poorly informed, and likes to say the sky is falling . Seems to sensationalize any potential negatives.
I replaced my first set of tires around 12,000 miles. Since then, with my current mileage at 72,000, I've lost count of the number of tire sets I've gone through. I'm certain it's at least three, possibly four sets. It's safe to say that I've changed my tires more frequently than my underwear. Since Teslas don't have spares, I carry a few cans of fix-a-flat and opt for ride-flat tires for added peace of mind. I will never drive anything other than a Tesla.
Hi, I have a Tesla3 with 9500 miles. I drive in average about 40 miles every day. I charge it overnight 60 miles. A pleasure to drive and enjoy road trips about 200 miles round trip. A year before buying the Tesla I installed solar panels, so basically the electricity is free as the solar system produces enough kilowatts hours for both my house and car. Highly recommended! Dan
I have the same situation! Screw the oil companies! Also added a nice battery backup to my home to be recharged by my 60 solar panels on the roof. So mostly keep all my energy for my own needs and send a few KWHs to the grid. I could go off grid but by city ordinance I am required for some reason to stay grid tied. But the electric company is the energy provider of last resort! With few exceptions have added to the grid rather then had a taken from it at the end of the month.
That is exactly my plan. I’m thinking about adding 8 more solar panels to add more kilowatts hours to charge a Tesla Y I’m buying for my wife. We are both retired so most likely these will be our last vehicles. Thanks for your comments. Dan
Is it a bad idea to buy a gas car in 2023? I just did, only because electric car in the size/format I needed was too expensive. I just put down $ for 2023 Honda Passport because my family is expanding and it was the biggest SUV I could fit into my garage and having a bit of remorse about it.
You made a great choice. A super reliable gas car that fits your families needs. You can always replace a second car for your house with an electric in the coming years. I'd say 5 years from now is when electric cars technology and charging infrastructure will be even remotely worth it. With how rapidly EV technology is advancing, if you bought a 2023 EV, it will be hilariously out of date in 5 years. Best to wait for the technology to be more proven and advancement to plateau more + costs to come down
Gas cars are still perfectly fine to buy and the Passport is an excellent vehicle. The next gen of EVs will only get better and better so you can only benefit from waiting.
@@carhelpcorner Thanks for the reply! I watched a ton of videos on this channel before my purchase. You provide excellent advice and present it in a succinct way. Really appreciate it!
@@Chapper Great points. It’s an emerging technology and the costs are still high. It’s just a strange time to buy a car during the apparent transition period from gas to EVs.
45 minutes to fill the tank.. WHAT....???? NO resale value,....What do you mean our town does not have enough electricity to charge 20 cars. Why are the tires so expensive, What insurance cost/
V3 super chargers can charge a car in 5-15 minutes. But you charge at home overnight unless you find yourself driving over 300-400 miles per day. Pretty much every town has the grid to support LOTS of EV charging. EV’s don’t go through tired any faster than other cars with similar performance. And it depends on where you get your insurance. I pay less on my EV’s insurance atm than I did in my 2016 Subaru Impreza GX.
I saw a Ted talk last year about the carbon footprint of EV not being what you think by a longshot. Because of the mining of the rare earth metals required for the batteries. It takes about 5 to 6 yrs on avg for an EV to break even with an ICE vehicle. Believe it or not, the vehicle with the smallest carbon footprint is actually a hybrid. That is what i plan on getting for my next jeep.
Unfortunately the talk was out of date by the time it aired. New battery technologies have none of these issues and are now dominant in the biggest EV market place in the world, with their cars that are exported widely including the RWD Tesla Model 3 & Y also using these batteries.
@@blue_ish4499 Yeah the worst of both worlds. Have a look at transport Evolved where one of the crew is $10K under water on a Volt after making $3K in repairs and it needs $6500 to replace 1/3 of the battery. He gets the best of both worlds repairing the ICE part and the EV part. Say no ho hybrids.
Ironically if you removed the battery completely (apart from the lead acid) then the carbon footprint would be even less. Also if you ever charge from the grid then you emit CO2 per KWH. Yours is an external combustion engine or remote combustion engine, there is no such thing as a free lunch as the saying goes
@@GDM22 there are no new battery technologies, it's the same old shit tweaked. Nor are there any groundbreaking clean solutions to the environmental disaster that is EV battery production going to emerge. These are just lies you have been fed. The information was still correct and only some batteries in the Tesla range do not contain cobalt, however what they do contain is dangerous, poisonous and environmentally unsound. Which is fine if it only impacts people miles away from you and pretty much sums up the attitude of EV owners generally.
This is one of the most intelligent videos on the subject. Many videos promoting EVs are blatantly dishonest. They deliberately avoid many of the EV's weaknesses this video addresses.
Within the next 10 years charging stations will be as common as gas stations. The overwhelming majority of charging takes place in the owners home, so the charger problem is pretty minor.
If the overwhelming majority of charging takes place at home, why exactly would there need to be as many charging stations as there are gas stations currently? Who is going to use them if almost everyone is charging at home?
I leased an ev. I'm not worried about resale or battery health because I'll only have it for 3 years then move to something else. I drive 70 miles round trip daily. Charge up for free at work every 3 days. Sometimes 2 if it's really cold and I use sport mode a lot. Have a charger at home to charge in case I need to. I'm saving 80 dollars a month in car payment and 300 in gas vs my 16mpg Ice car i traded. Between payment, gas and oil changes it's over $13k in 3 years. My ev is fast, fun, and the best part is i don't have to ever go to a gas station. Also have a big ice SUV for family road trips but for my daily, far commute, the ev works awesome. And i can smoke 90% of the cars out there for added giggles. I realize my situation is more ideal (minus the long high speed commute) but i think if yours is similar, don't be afraid to make the jump.
I purchased in may a 2022 nissan leaf sv that had 2700 miles on it. the new price on it was $29k and they had it advertised for $19,900 and offered me $19k cash deal. Someone lost $10k in just over 1 year. The car had been on a 1 year lease and was auctioned after that. I also found out that even though the car was "built" in USA and officially the car was used although just like new, the IRS refund was $4k ... the federal refund was assigned to the dealership and it took them over 3 months to get their money. I also applied for the $2k grant from PA state gov and it took about 2 months to get it but I did. so now I am down to $13k for the car. I figured for a new car it was worth the risk. I understood the maximum miles of 166 advertised made this a commuter so I kept my 2011 subaru forester as a very cold weather winter car, and a 4wd for our 900 ft uphill driveway in winter, and for towing a smaller trailer which filled the purpose of a truck for us. I think for middle income people who have multiple vehicles, the make a logical choice for a commuter and they keep the miles off the other vehicle which can be used for longer trips, pulling trailers, etc. after i got it and read the 860 page manual, I started to find out the "hidden" things you talk about. the battery has an 8 year, 100k warranty but you have to go to a nissan dealer to get it checked to keep it in warranty. Same with the tires an their warranty. the tires, michelin X green, are more expensive than standard tires. The nissan dealer is beyond a round trip range of a charge and the Chademo fast charger is rare in PA. in cold winter weather, the charging takes longer and the range decreases significantly (up to 50%) which with a battery that is older, can really limit travel. I then started to read about how you are supposed to limit charging from 30% to 80% in order to make the battery last longer so range is now 50% of advertised. the air conditioner and especially the heater (and heated seats and steering wheel) take a lot of power out of the range. I discovered the 12vdc "starting" battery can discharge under certain situations and I ad 63% main battery but got stranded because the 12vdc battery failed (2 years old) ... I discoverd in order to get warranty repair I had to take the vehicle to the dealer with the bad battery so they could connect it and send a report to Nissan who would decide if it was "bad" under warranty. I purchased a new battery from walmart and ate the cost. (also when you change it you lose some settings) ... my insurance was 30% more than my 2019 subaru outback. In PA they passed a law to add $200 a year to your registration to recover road taxes lost from petro. I like the Leaf and as a commuter I believe it is a decent choice for the price I paid, but battery anxiety is a real thing. it could be wise to look at a 3 year lease of a new one and drive/charge it anyway you want and walk away after 3 years and lease another. If they would drop the "gas cars will be totally eliminated by xxxx" and be honest about the pros and cons and push for middle and upper class using them for commuters, I believe you could get major buyin and make a radical difference in the transition but the way they are doing it is going to cause major pushback, especially as people discover the "10 thngs" (or more) that you mention... and also, there is the fact of mining for the lithium and other chemicals needed for the battery.... it is a major ecological mess where they do it. also, there is a major understanding that the battery needs charged. this seems silly but many people do not understand that the energy comes from a power plant that still creates "exhaust" ... you just transfer the tailpipe to somewhere else....
I’ve owned 5 different Tesla’s since 2013 and have publicly charged twice. Get home, plug in, forget about it. I rarely do road trips. Never seen any battery degradation but I trade in about every 3-4. years. I have saved a ton of money on maintenance. True that tires are more problematic but nowhere near the headache of maintenance required by ICE vehicles. Very little maintenance required, except that I keep an electric tire pump at home and check tire pressures more often. EV’s are a much better driving experience as well. I’ll bet this video is sponsored by the legacy auto industry. The vast majority who’ve ever owned an EV would never again buy an internal combustion engine. Those are antiquated after owning an EV.
Checking the tire pressure on the screen in the car is hard, isn't it? You have to push like three "buttons" on the menu to see the pressure of all four tires...
@@toddwright662 It couldn’t be easier. You push the button icon at the bottom left of the screen to present the menu. Click on ‘Service’ and it displays all four tire with the current pressure of each. I check it about every 2nd or 3rd drive.
@@doriangray6985 I’m sure your right. But I like to drive the latest baby. But I do employ a home solar array where I put more energy into the grid than take from it.
We have a 2017 C-Max. The battery still charges to 20 miles with the same factors as in the video about weather and conditions. It is used for local driving and the car computer shows 114 MPG equivalent.
Interesting video to me because it highlights the huge difference in the markets of the USA and Asia. Over here (Malaysia), there are chargers in every shopping mall and almost every gas station that has a Starbucks or similar. We do not experience any of the issues you mentioned except the pricing, but in an unexpected way. The government has banned the import of EVs under USD 10k for 3 more years to give time to the two local OEMs to ramp up their own production. Tesla just opened a plant here and those cars are selling like there is no tomorrow. I went Byd and love the drive!
This program is strictly for dumbasses. Before any EV is sold to a customer, mandatory electric vehicle ownership classes must be taken. Especially battery charging and safety.
@@GNMi79 It is small indeed, but I do drive long distances. All you need is fast chargers along the way and have a coffee or any other 15-20 minute distraction each 350 KM. When I travel in China it is sometimes 7-8 hours with 2 stops (3 if we are with kids of course). Long distance is always relative to infrastructure, in ICE it is gas stations while in EV it's UFC stations.
True. Also the case in Australia, which is a huge country, and does not have quite as many charging options as you seem to have. However, I regularly drive interstate in my Tesla (often 1900 km each way) and have no trouble at all charging when I need to. It takes a little more thinking than an ICE car, but that is not too difficult when the computer plots it all out for you. The touring is SO much nicer in my Tesla than any ICE car I have ever driven. EVs have just started to take off in Oz, and the Model Y is now the biggest selling sedan car in the country (of any type).
@jonnieinbangkok no need for a plant here. They have an Approved Permit to import cars without taxes or tariffs. The Shanghai Plant can deliver in under a week or two. It takes longer than that to get a license plate in Malaysia. 😅 They do have their SE Asia HQ in Cyberjaya (Selangor) close to KL and close to Putrajaya where government sits. Their investment cash is better aimed at the supercharger network.
When you live in a very cold place (which is my case), petrol engines can lose between 20% and 40% of range (I have experienced this). Like electric cars. All recent cars have complicated electronics to ensure great fuel economy and a minimum of pollution. We sometimes see gasoline vehicles with black smoke. Some replace the catalytic converter with a hose. These tanks that used to pollute reasonably are polluting more and more. Several electric cars sold 10 to 13 years ago are still on the market with 20% range degradations. As gasoline engines age, they become clogged and also lose their efficiency. We then have to change the catalytic converters, the belts, the fuel pumps . . . All this is very expensive. This article mixes truths with exaggerations and often forgets to make real-life comparisons with gasoline-powered cars. In closing, battery technologies are evolving rapidly. Gradually, the life and reliability of the batteries improves. In addition, their costs will be less and less expensive. If air pollution continues to increase, hurricanes will be increasingly devastating, generating astronomical costs in all seaside cities. We have to stop looking only at the tip of our nose.
A huge issue is in the used car market. What is going to happen to lower middle class people and low income people? Are they going to be forced to buy cars with seriously degraded batteries and spend more and more time at chargers and pay more in fees? Or is the government going to have to raise state and federal taxes, So subsidize cars or batteries for low income people.
Bmw just increased my battery warranty from the original 8 years to 16 years. So obviously degradation is not my problem. It's the manufacturers problem. They will repair bad cells in battery or replace battery when it's loss 30% of the battery life
Thanks for the advice I now own 3 Teslas and can’t wait to get the cybertruck. Had one since 2019, will never buy an ice again from any other manufacturer. Everything else has feels like a cheap ripoff…….
My Tesla Model 3 (2019) has exhibited none of the "problems" canvassed here. I agree, though, that it was "expensive." In short, it is a dream to drive, has 68,000km on the clock and still its original tires, has 93% of original range, has cost me $0 for servicing and is super cheap to charge. The Supercharger network is superb and suffers from none of the drawbacks highlighted here. Recently I did a 5,800km extended trip in Australia using Superchargers with no problems, not even having to wait. Nothing has gone wrong with the cameras or electronics. My M3 is a no brainer, simply superior in every respect.
The gushing has are not factored in depreciation, and any money you paid out on on "upgraydes" 20% is already lost against a new Model 3, and 2019 resale value will be for parts in a few more years. OK, so you like the car, people also like the 1969 GTO. Its like going on about how great an investment a 3 year old iPhone was.
@AndriasTravels I do pay a few dollars a month for Premium Connectivity, and it's great. I'll bite the depreciation bullet if I sell it (BTW, the M3 I describe is in New Zealand, I have another (long range) in Australia). I reiterate the driving experience - fabulous - and that's worth everything. Do you own an EV or even, maybe, a Tesla? I haven't met an unhappy T driver.
@@Andriastravels ICE cars depreciate pretty damn quick too. In Australia I can buy a electric suv with every feature including 360 degree cameras, auto reversing emergency stop etc for $7000 cheaper than a Kia Sportage with the same features. Everyone says they are expensive to buy and quote Corollas etc. Now compare them to BMWs, Mazda CX90 etc and they are way cheaper. Try getting an ICE car that does 0-100km in the same time for any where near the same price as an EV.
I have a PHEV (MItsubishi Outlander) and installed an in-house charging station (240VAC) and can rapidly recharge my batteries but its dependent on ambient air temp, the charge is faster and stronger in warm weather as is expected with recharging batteries. All that taken into consideration, during warm weather I have gotten over 100 mpg during hot months for the gasoline engine that primarily drives the generator that turns the front and rear axle electric motors. In the beginning of my third year driving my 2021 Mitsu I still get 40 or more mpg during winter, colder weather months here in New England. I recharge anytime I am parked in my garage because my solar panel system is the parent company of the seller of my plug in charging system. So during the day I let the sun replenish my battery mileage. PS If you haven't felt the acceleration of an electric front axle with the rear axle pitching in to balance torque steer and provides 4 wheel drive, you are missing something! I do realize we are comparing apples and oranges, just felt like throwing my 2 cents into the discussion.
Price Range anxiety Lack of working chargers Cost of charging Fire hazards Insurance problems, charging indoors. Depreciation Cold performance Rebates and subsidies ending
One issue that nobody seems to raise is with having to charge your vehicle in the pouring rain. Nearly all chargers (including Tesla) are out in the open and you can get soaked fixing up and paying for it. Not so ICE cars where nearly ALL gas pumps are under cover.
How long do you think it takes to plug in? Most countries outside of the US have what’s call pat pass or tap and go. You don’t even have to swipe your card. You just wave it at the machine and it’s done. Additionally if you own a Tesla. Then you don’t even have to formalise payment at the charger. The charger will recognise the car and bill it to your Tesla account automatically so you can pay later. So you litterally just plug the car in the hop back in the car or walk somewhere else for a coffee or food. How exactly did you imagine this process going down? Did you think you hand to stand there and hold the plug for 40 minutes like you were holding a diesel bowser?
@@henryhill3778if this was about climate you would be able to drive a converted golf cart and save even more money. Here in Uk they are already turning home chargers off at peak times
Bought my 2020 honda insight with only 8 miles from a dealership. So happy I went hybrid instead of full ev. No problems for almost 4 years now. Not a single problem :)
Do a 600 mile round trip 5hrs bet you can't 😅
i can do 500 tops still good if you ask me! @@markell598
@@markell598 The Honda 2020 Insight is a hybrid, like they said - it can do over 500 miles (551 according to the blurb). Our 2017 ICE Toyota Verso can only do mid 400s on a tank. A hybrid makes sense if range is a worry.
My biggest complaint is the publicized range, specifically from Tesla. I have 14,155 miles on my Model 3 SR+. When I bought the SR+ it said the range was 240 miles. Not even close. First, I cannot charge to 240 miles any longer, the max is equal to about 90% or ~215 range miles. Oh, the display says I charged to 100%, but the miles say differently. But wait, it’s worse. For every actual mile I drive, I consume 1.3 to 1.6 range miles with an average 1.5, depending on driving conditions and ambient weather. This mean when I charge to 100% and it shows 215 range miles, on average I can only get ~150 actual miles. A far cry from the 240 Tesla said I am supposed to get. Tesla says to limit charging to 80% for day to day driving. If I charge to 80%, I only get about 125 actual miles. Therein lies the problem, just as ICE vehicles have a city/highway MPG on their MSRP sticker, EV’s should also provide estimated actual driving city/highway ranges and not an overall range, nobody gets 100% of the range as published on the MSRP and website, if they say they do, they are lying. These estimated actual range values should be on every EV so potential buyers can make an intelligent and informed decision before they buy one and find out the real range is a fraction of what the mfg tells you on their website or MSRP sticker. I will likely never buy another EV.
BTW, great video!
I drive a 2016 Toyota Prius IV Touring (my 2nd....first was a 2006 Prius top of line). The sticker on my 2016 said 49/51 if memory serves me correctly. At this point my actual lifetime average mpg, summer and winter (i'm in northern NY) is 58.7 mpg. I don't baby it or try to hypermile like some Prius nutjobs do....I just drive the thing and put regular gas in it. I'm retired so I don't drive a bunch....only 25K on it so far. The 2006 was still going strong with all systems go at 126,000 miles in 2016 when I sold it privately. I only had to replace the front brakes once in that one and the tiny 'starter' battery...about $260.00. Thusfar in my 2016 I've had to replace the now-larger 12v 'starter'' battery twice so far--the larger battery that Toyota used and that the dealer replaced it with both seem to be junk. Tires on both cars were LRR and the former got good service life. I will not be going plug-in hybrid OR electric --my gas hybrid works great and has ultra low emissions as well as great fuel economy.
@@rchender Thank YOU for your honest opinion. The ONLY thing I would get is a Hybrid.
Thank YOU For your honesty! Exactly what I thought.
Nonsense.
Real descriptive comment there mostmost. Tells us nothing about what you feel/believe. @@mostmost1
Congratulations you are the first person on RUclips who acknowledges that most people cannot afford an EV. All the News Papers, Governments etc. Ignore this. Well done.👍👍✔✔
My 2023 Chevy Bolt cost $32,500, certainly affordable for most people who are in the market for a new car!
@@paulstough2995 Oh yea how many Mc Donald's workers could afford that. American workers living in cars how would they afford them.
@@thelastpilot4582 It is true people who are making low wages cant afford even an EV prices at $32,500. However, I dont believe people working in low wage jobs can afford ANY new car. Which is another whole problem, the fact that there are so many people working for such low wages!
as more and more EVs are made, there will become more and more used EVs and prices for used EVs will decline.
It seems to me that so many of the EV naysayers seem to believe that we have reached the max in technology in EVs, whereas I believe that we are still in the infancy of EV development. Look at how far the development if ICE vehicles has come in the well over 100 years of innovation and change.
@@paulstough2995 Not a lot of car for that sort of money though. There's no way I'd spend that on a small hatchback, especially here in the UK where we don't have anything like the sort of disposable income that you have in the US.
@@paulstough2995 Which means that every new EV produced today is going to be out of date by the time it hits the second hand market and people won't want them, given the cost of replacement batteries they will eventually need. That's why you can buy a Nissan Leaf relatively cheaply, although it still costs way more than the equivalent ICE car of the same age.
Most of those against EVs are against them because we don't believe we should be forced into them. Nobody forced anybody to buy a Betamax VCR or an iPhone, regardless of whether they were better or not and it's the same with EVs given that there is little to no advantage.
My fear concerns the resale. If I decide to buy a Hyundai Ioniq ($55,000 Cdn) as an example and want to sell it 4 or 5 years down the road, I would expect to get maybe $15, 000. However, anyone wanting to purchase it would have to kept in mind that the battery replacement after 8 years or 160,000 km will cost about $51,000 with tax. Who in their right mind would buy a used electric vehicle. Even the cheaper Tesla batteries run $13,000 to $22,000.
So in 10 years the EVs will have no value. There's no sustainability here. Environmentalists are going to be terribly disillusioned in 10 years when the junkyards are full of EVs.
If you want to flip something, buy a house, not a car (any car).
Your numbers are all over the place. You exaggerated your numbers by a huge number lol. Little to negative
Well when it gets close to the time that the batteries will have to be replaced then you likely would not be able to sell the car for very much money.
@@sparky7915 there are Tesla’s out the that have hundreds of thousands of miles on it. If the battery isn’t supercharge 24/7 meaning you kept the health good and charged mostly at home you can drive a million on it.
As a rideshare driver, I did a long study of EV's to determine if they were right for me. Uber had a promotion paying an extra $1 per trip to make it more attractive. After the study, I decided it was not worth it for several reasons. Some are listed in this video. Here are some more: 1. Fast charging reduces battery life. 2. Driving over 65MPH reduces range. 3. Cold weather (I live in MN) reduces range. 4. Battery takes a long time to warm up in the cold and further reduces range or uses your power. 5. Use of climate control reduces range. 6. Manufacturers prefer to replace rather than repair batteries making them more expensive to fix. 7. Most EV's have low ground clearance. You will bang the bottom of your car occasionally or more often in an icy winter. In an EV, you will be banging the expensive battery. (Last winter in MN, I knocked the skid plate off my Camry twice. You have a different experience when you drive everywhere rather than just your normal routes.) 8. Sometimes you cannot buy whatever tires you want meaning you cannot get the best winter tires. 9. Useable range is probably half what is advertised. (You need to regularly drive between 80-20% of capacity per manufacturer's recommendations and then reduce that based on everything else discussed.) 10. It costs much more to charge during the day if you drive at night. 11. There is no reason to think you can get several hundred thousand miles from an EV like you can from several cheaper cars. 12. Long repair downtime costs income. 12. Cheaper EV's (still more expensive than practical vehicles) tend to be RWD. They are much more expensive to get FWD or AWD. And here are Tesla-specific problems: 1. Touch screen windshield wipers are an automatic no. It is unsafe in conditions that require constant adjustments, and no automatic windshield wiper system will be good enough. This isn't just a preference. This setup should be illegal. I say this as someone who regularly drives through entire storms rather than someone who occasionally makes a short trip in the rain. 2. Touch screen controls for everything else are also problematic. I need to make adjustments as customers make requests in all traffic conditions safely. Touch screens are not safe for that. I could say no, but windshield wipers stand out as one you must use. I shouldn't have to say no since every other car manufacturer offers the necessary features properly. 3. Door handles and doors without a top frame freeze in the winter. 4. I don't want to have to explain to every drunk passenger how to open the door. 5. Tesla has a policy against rideshare drivers using super chargers. It is not currently enforced, but it is in writing so they can enforce it as demand for chargers increases. When you say you bought it for rideshare in protest, they will tell you their policy was published when you purchased it. 6. A "frunk" that breaks if it is closed hard is unacceptable and will break inevitably. I don't know if the car is undrivable while you wait on that repair.
It is hard to find a good deal on a newer but not new EV. I would rather buy a 2-year-old Camry getting 35MPG, drive it 2.5x's longer than a Model 3, and pay less than half as much with virtually no unscheduled maintenance.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. Now I'm prefer using hybrid ICE car 😊
@@BritishCat7788 those are much better, but it is difficult to find a good deal on one if you buy 2 years old. It is good if you choose to buy new. If you search, you can sometimes find a really good deal on a regular car.
Your thoughtful research-based input should be at the top and read by everyone!!!
Agree that a lot of choices are examples of form over function, especially the touchscreen controls, and lack of frames. Sure they make it look and feel all futuristic, but when driving day in and day out rain or shine you just want what works and is practical.
The argument is that to get people into EVs you have to appeal to them, and it seems that a decent portion of the population are attracted to form over function type.
I’m with you though. Touchscreen windshield wipers are a blocker all by themselves.
That's damning! All valid concerns. I could add a couple more of the top of my head but what's the use? Everyone should have are made his mind up
Here in the Northwest, if you get into an accident with a Tesla, you may wait 6 months to get it repaired, even for a minor accident...
That's better than being in a carbeque
Don’t get into an “accident” problem solved 🎉
Yup. Been there done that 🤣
Good. Let them evs people deal with it.
A neighbor bought a brand new EV truck and then I noticed that it was gone for several months, and he was driving some car 😂 and finally it appears he got his brand new truck back from the shop
We live in NE Florida and had to go to NYC for a wedding. Thrifty Car rental only had Chevy "Bolts" ... I loved the pick up and general drive. But we had to charge it before returning the car. Every charging station was a slow charger.. we waited 1 hour for 25 miles! Also, the first 2 stations were not working. At home we would install a charger in the garage, but for anyone in an apartment or condo, the charging is a real issue.
That's why I went with Tesla. They have a reliable charging network and the cars are designed to be charged fast. This should change in the future as the other car manufacturers adopt the Tesla charging standard.
@@TeslaDawgFast charging degrades the battery faster. For someone like me who keeps a vehicle for 10+ years that's a REAL issue.
@@waynepurcell6058 - Studies show no statistically significant difference in battery degradation between those that fast charge frequently and those that don't.
@@TeslaDawg I'm a hybrid owner and I've seen differing opinions on this primarily because a fast charge heats up the battery. So I guess it depends on the auto design.
@@TeslaDawg Fake studies most likely. It's the chemical composition of batteries that defines how they react and perform, and heat is one of the biggest killers. The faster you charge, the more heat produced. Batteries have always had the same problem regardless of the appliance they're used in, they degrade with age. If people think that EV batteries are any different they're just being sold on the hype unfortunately. You cannot change the laws of physics.
You made a lot of valid points. Recently an EV owner needed to get the batteries replaced. The vehicle had a little more than 160 000 km on it. He was quoted $50 000 to replace the batteries. Another EV owner also needed new batteries. He was quoted $20 000, In either case the repair costs are so high that the car owner ends up throwing the car in the garbage.
China makes EV cars too. The major brand in China is BYD. They are expanding into the world market now. They are priced well below most other EV"s.
The most important point you made was that these vehicles are new technology. So it is anybody's guess which model to buy. We do not know how long the batteries will last.
Lastly I did not consider the insurance cost. Tx. for mentioning that. Well for now I will stay with my gasoline powered vehicle.
Maybe the China ones are cheap but when its time for a replacement battery i expect it to be an expensive overall, the battery maybe cheap but having someone to replace it is where the cost will mount up.
Maybe the China batteries are cheaper. A whole bunch of batteries may have to be replaced and it is a lot of work. Therefore it is so expensive you may end up throwing the car in the garbage. @@ubolsueathet1201
Didn’t read go sharks
yea BYD is a scam did you see that giant ev graveyard in china with thousands of cars, they don’t even buy those ev’s
@@ubolsueathet1201yep, just like a gas engine.
My previous car was an ICE SUV.
Wasn't ready for full EV.
Bought a 2023 Tucson Hybrid about a year ago.
Very happy owning a Hybrid.
How many miles do you get on the battery?
@@doriangray6985 There's ICE, Hybrid, Plug-in Hybrid and EV... I only have a Hybrid, so the electric engine kicks in automatically here and there to save on gas, but usually only a mile or two at a time, depends on what you're doing with the gas... the purpose of a Hybrid is just an ICE car that has better gas mileage and more torque... the PHEV version of the Tucson gets something like 30 miles on Electric if I recall correctly.
I love my hybrid, just cuz it's basically an ICE car with great gas mileage and instant torque... i fuel up at the pump far less often than when I had an ICE car.
I have had an Ioniq5 for 2 years and am scratching my head with most of your problems. No issues with tyre wear, low servicing costs, no problems with any aspect ofthe car and its performance, exactly the same insurance costs as my petrol car, range displayed on screen is very accurate, no issues with public charging (to be fair i do have a home charger as well). Of course i share the concerns with the life of the battery, purchase price and resale as a consequence but at this stage i am going along, very quietly, for the ride!
The comment section is here for people who nothing about electric cars telling everyone the batteries going to die, the car will catch on fire or the classic my work is 1400 miles away so an electric car won't work for me
@@davemay7797 - You are so right, Dave! So I shall not comment on my flawless 2015 Nissan Leaf I bought in 2017 for $9K. I am retired, so long commutes don't come into play. Keeping the battery charge between 50 to 75% is indicating after 7 years ownership no appreciable degradation with average trips less than 20 miles. Charge at home off my backyard solar system and have only had to add washer fluid so far. So for a retired person an EV is likely the perfect car. take care, rh
Haters bro. Just see a poll. They hate with no actual stats. Just sheep.
Yes people I know like to explain my Model y to me. It’s fud.
Not every vehicle is right for everyone or every use. We have owned pickups and muscle cars each for it’s own specialty. Our long range Model Y is a great car. 20 months old 20,000 miles. A half dozen trips over 600 miles round trip and one over 1400 miles. When local we charge in our garage 8cents kWh or free from solar. We have never had issues on the road. This car is the best car I have ever owned. Cheap to operate, maintenance is nothing, fun to drive. Not for everyone and every situation but really good fit for many.
Agree. I have had my model 3 for 4 years, and have done just over 165,000 km and could not be happier for the same reasons.
Come back and comment on Year 11.
@@EarthyLee Year 11 weird, how much is an 11 year old ICE vehicle worth and at that point how much is it costing to keep on the road.
@peterhicks5590Lots actually. If you want to carry more than one bike it is best to have a bike rack on a towbar. Picking up a load of gravel from the garden centre, or taking a load of rubbish to the tip, or helping children move house with a box trailer are all very easy with an EV. Many of the EV owners I know have tow bars. What are your "good reasons" for your doubting? If you need to take a caravan 1000km into the outback in a single day you are a rare use case.
@@GDM22 I have a 12 year old Nissan Leaf, in perfect condition still doesnt need repairs or servicing
One thing not mentioned is that in some states if not all it is more expensive to register an EV.
Other states offer vehicle registration DISCOUNTS for EVs as well.
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Yup, general advice is to keep your battery charged under 80%. Failure to do so has little to no consequence, except for increased risk of degradation. Advice also includes charging to 100% for long trips. Real EV drivers do both.
This applies more so to lithium MNC batteries, lithium fepho batteries can be charge to 100% with little degradation and a longer life with a slightly lower energy density
Also test have shown that dcfc a battery once a month or so can help extend the life expentancy
they do....
Many insurance companies have issues with EVs. My neighbor bought a new EV Cadillac and had an electrician install a charger in his garage. Agent asked for a picture of charger he sent it and a couple weeks later the company said he had to remove charger from the garage to outside at least 25 feet from any structure. 🤷♂️
And which insurance company is that? Because nearly all insurance companies unanimously agree that EV’s are 20-60 times less likely to catch Fire spontaneously compared to ICE cars.
@@engineeringtheweirdguy2103 That's totally wrong I deal with insurance companies everyday
@@engineeringtheweirdguy2103 You can claim your input all you want but facts remain EV insurance is higher than combustion engine vehicles
@@engineeringtheweirdguy2103 Live in denial and Merry Christmas to you and yours. 🎄
@@michaelwinkelman7165 then why do lost auto insurance companies have published on their websites independent studies they’ve commissioned that reveal EV’s are 20-60 times less likely to catch fire and to have those numbers corroborated but safety regulators across the globe like the American NHTSA and the Australian AANCAP safety board.
A big drawback for me, not even factoring in the actual cost of the car itself, is how to charge it. I've heard that most of the time, and obviously it can vary, you're probably looking at no less than half hour to charge to 80%, with a full charge taking ridiculously longer. How would I be able to charge though? I would have to do public pay charging stations since I live in an apartment complex and have zero hope of charging overnight. And don't even get me started on that recommendation to only charge up to 80% capacity thing. Why? Why is it recommended to not fully charge your vehicle? As it stands right now, I have a Blazer that I absolutely love having, in spite of the fact that it gets pretty terrible mileage. I fuel up once a week, on Friday evening on my way home from work. Five minutes, and I'm gone, full to the top. What if I could only fill its tank to the 80% mark, or if my fuel tank was 20% smaller? I'd be filling up to go around 200 miles, roughly equivalent to what I could expect of an EV, except it would still take five to six times less to fuel up than an EV. If my tank was 20% smaller, how much less time would it take, maybe a minute or two, three at the absolute most? Because who wouldn't want to sit around at a public charging station for half an hour on their way home from work on Friday? Short answer... Me. I wouldn't want to.
Well, you're not supposed to charge them to 100% or you decrease the life of the battery.
And don't get them under 20% because.... you guessed it, you decrease the life of the battery.
@@teekay_1 Yep, so you are only effectively getting 60% of the usable capacity. Winter is going to be fun for a lot of EV owners, with drastically reduced range they're going to have to charge en-route, almost certainly at lower power. Which means sitting in their car during rain, sleet, snow and whatever else the weather throws at us while the car charges.
Imagine it starts to snow and you have to stop for an hour to charge your car to get home? You might not even make it out of the service station by the time it's done. No thanks.
Funny thing is you still seem to get EV owners that think this is somehow more convenient than stopping to fill up with fossil fuel for 5 minutes. Maybe we should start installing outside toilets again too, it has to be more convenient than going upstairs to pee, right?
@@severnsea especially now that the climate is returning closer to "normal" for much of the US, which means much colder winter north of DC.
@@Mr_Spock512 Exactly. But the EVangelists never tell you about that. Bet it's not in the brochures either.
@@Mr_Spock512 _Boss, I'm sorry, I can't make it into work today; I had half a charge on my EV battery but the temp dropped down to 10 F and I got stuck 5 miles from my house. I'm waiting for a truck to trailer it back to my house, but they're busy with all the other EV owners who ran out of battery as well_
One thing that wasnt mentioned is Safty. Ev batteries can be tempermental. Some have been known to spontaneously catch fire. If this happens the vehicle is consumed in flames very quickly and the fires from an EV is very hard to put out.
EV batteries are not like cheap batteries used in Chinese scooters and E Bikes.
spontabiously What is that?
Yeah, Exothermic Reaction that 'ya can't extinguish...
@@wolfguardian8312 Hardly occurs
Just dont buy a G M EV. You'll e safe.
I have had my EV for 15 months and I have driven 30K klm I am 100% happy with the car ( Genesis GV60 ) I live in BC Canada and we have lots and lots of EV charging stations . I just drove from Vancouver Island to Calgary Alberta and back I never had to wait to charge at any charging station and the best part they were all free fast charging Chevron On The Run are all free charging . As far as the tire wear once you get past the novelty of the insane speed and power and just stay in the Eco mode you will have normal tire wear and much better range .
Perhaps you'll consider a long trip to New York City?
Manhattan has a couple of charging stations and more in other boroughs.
Just hope when you need charging there is no one ahead of you.
I rented a Tesla while I was in Michigan on vacation. Big mistake!!! I traveled all around the state and there’s a huge lack of charging stations. So if I had to charge the car. I was driving 30 minutes (each way) and spending 45 minutes waiting for the charge to complete. I had a range of 265 miles with a full charge. Ridiculous and a huge waste of time!
EV BUYING IS MERELY A BUYING A HYPE.
So why would you use an ev to travel outside of a city though lol? It’s common knowledge they take a while to charge and makes sense that chargers are not as available as a gas station
They are garbage 🗑 all it is a fire 🔥 Hazzard
What bollocks. You just don’t know what you are doing. Renting any EV without experience means you don’t know where/how to use chargers, don’t know about destination chargers, or have an extension cord for regular outlets.
EV owners charge overnight so it is full when they begin. The nav in the car will take you to superchargers on your route. 250 kw chargers take 20 minutes or less, I’ve never charged longer than that.
BTW, the range of the cheapest Tesla is about fours hours of driving time. 30 minutes round trip would use maybe 1/4 of your available range.
Some of these youtube channels tell only one side of the story. Greatly appreciate covering both sides.
Thank you!
So true
I’ve got a neighbor that owns a Tesla. Today I was going to the mail box and he was screaming on the phone he kept saying never again,never again . I asked him if everything was alright,he told me that his Tesla had quit working and he had to h😮ave it towed to the shop. He’d just got a call from them telling him that his battery was fried and it was going to cost him $32,000 to replace it and some other stuff . His warranty was expired and it wasn’t worth anywhere near that . I felt sorry for him as I looked at my car and thought no way in hell , no way in hell .
@@donaldpiper9763Thanks for talking reality.
I had the opportunity to drive EV for a week and a half. I drove the Hyndia Kona the only good thing is that it drove smooth and had a few good features, the main problems: trying to find a working charging station/ waiting for the other EV to charge at the charging station/ in the amount of time that it take to charge the EV you could have filled up 6 to 20 vehicles/ you will pass up 30 gas station driving around trying to find a charging station/ and sometimes the kios at the charging stations will not take your payment.
if you live in the country, in America, normally you don't really find a place to charge the car, so you have to charge it at home before you leave. In Europe, the towns are relatively close and it is not difficult to find to charge.
The statement that you could be replacing your tires 2 to3 times more often with an EV is unfounded and in my opinion totally false. Based on my experience and what I have been reading the extra wear could be more in the order of 20% for average drivers . So, this is not a major problem (unless you abuse a lot of the extra power often available with EVs)
I fully agree with that, it is a false statement, my 450 HP 4wd Chevy pick-up is heaver than my Model 3 and it doesn’t eat tires unless I keep using the gas peddle as an on and off switch.
You have two people giving you unsubstantiated reports that the tyre change statement is false and apparently one other unsubstantiated report elsewhere in these comments telling you that it's true. That you chose to go with the one report is an interesting choice.
As another EV owner I can tell you that, unless you drive it like you stole it, your tyres will wear a little faster than an ICe vehicle but changing them 2 to 3 times more often is total rubbish. @@GNMi79
Well ok
Let me put it this way
Most ice vehicles can go
And buy the cheap azz tire
And go about
But not with ev tesla
The sheer weight of that ev
Will eat those cheap tires
Thats a proven fact.
Did the creator of the video actually say he had an EV? @@GNMi79
Your statement "But not with ev tesla
The sheer weight of that ev
Will eat those cheap tires" is an interesting one.
These numbers are from the relevant manufacturers web sites.
Tesla Model 3: Length 185.8" or 4,719.32mm
Weight 1,765 kg
BMW M3: Length 4,794mm
Weight 1,805 Kg
Similar vehicle sizes similar weights. Interestingly it's difficult to get the weights of other similarly sized cars.
How are you proving you fact? @@plusblood5101
My biggest concern for now is that I drive on highways for about 120-150 miles one way a few times a month. Sometimes, the destinations are not a city with plenty of charging stations. I don't want to have to stop somewhere (for 30-40 minutes to charge) on the way home because my range of ~200 miles are not enough for my entire round trip.
Anyone's got similar experience?
Plan accordingly. If I go out to bum fuck outback, I just take my truck.
@@blackhawk7r221 Agree. That means EVs are still not practical beyond city driving.
@@Ian-mv4qq Honestly, it all depends on how much battery you want to carry around. Same can be said for fuel tank size. I used to have a hotrod with a Buick Nailhead that got 9mpg off of a 12 gallon aluminum tank.
@@blackhawk7r221 That's true but at least with ICE you can get gas almost anywhere evem in the mountain.
My friend commutes in a Tesla all highway driving and is normally an hour each way. He has 140,000 miles on his Tesla and only changed his tires.
INSTALLED SOLAR PANELS on my home and charging station at the same time (So I don't have to pay to charge my EV). Solves most of the problem charging except when I'm traveling on a long trip. Which I almost never do. My office is only 14 miles from my home. So driving range is not a problem.
Well good for you... ROFLMAO!
That’s awesome, I’m planning on getting a solar roof in a few years to get the free charging as well. I was actually looking into getting the shingles that have the solar panels built in since I will need new shingles anyway and don’t want to put anymore weight on my roof.
How much did your solar panels cost?
@@UAIqbal83please post the price of your solar roof
@@jasoncrandall I haven't gotten them yet, I said I was planning on getting them in a few years. From what I'm being quoted though, it's looking like $20 - $30 thousand depending on the size of the system.
Having worked in the I.T. industry for most of my career, I lerarned that the same old adage still applies as in the early years. "LEADING EDGE BLEEDNG EDGE"
So often in history pioneers get massacred.
I have a 2021 Model 3 SR+, my wife drives a ‘21 VW ID.4 PRO. Both of these are the least expensive trims of those models - they have the smallest battery pack and the shortest range.
That being said, they have provided 2.5 years of solid, reliable, and easy transportation for our family (2 adults and 2 teenage boys), in daily commuting AND long distance family vacations. We’ve taken them on trips to remote areas like the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, to across the US.
I will state categorically that neither of us would ever return to ICE vehicles.
All I see on the roads is more and more EVs. The FUD being disseminated in this video is countered by the fact that EVs are becoming a larger and larger share of vehicle sales, and in response to that, even legacy car brands are making more EVs to sell.
If you want the real and actual story of life with an EV, talk with EV owners. You’ll find most are happy to share their experiences with those curious about EVs.
Safe driving all!
And yet they are still only about 5% of cars sold. No one I personally know has an electric car.
@@retiefgregorovich810you obviously don’t live in Southern California. Btw, I have had my Tesla model Y 1 1/2 years now and love it.
@@retiefgregorovich810 Actually EV sales account for closer to 8% of new car sales in the US, and double that worldwide. And most importantly, in both markets, EV manufacturing and sales are increasing. Every. Single. Day.
That’s the reality. That’s the future. Pretty much every auto manufacturer knows that, and is reading the writing on the wall.
That there are some individuals who can’t or won’t understand the future is immaterial and unimportant. There are still some who use a horse and buggy as their sole transportation. And they tend to hang out together in their own little group. They have zero impact on the choices society makes regarding transportation.
Safe travels all. 🙂
They are not perfect, but I've experienced only one of these issues with my 2018 Model 3 long range with 33k miles. No range anxiety, very little battery degradation (-10 miles) , zero issues when using superchargers, still on my original tires (my previous Acura burned through tires every 20k miles) . I had one recent repair of the power conversion system costing $1900. I would absolutely purchase another Tesla, but will keep one gas vehicle as well
It was mentioned that Tesla would not be facing the same challanges that the legacy automakers are facing. Tesla has been making EV's for many years and has built an infrastrucure around their brand. Ford ,GM, Toyota, etc. are just beginning to build EV's, and they don't know what to do. They can't produce these cars in the traditional way and make a profit, so they are overchargimg customers who purchase their ICE vehicles to finance their EV division.
I'm surprised on the 20,000 miles. Mine are 55,000 and just got a pass from a tire shop inspection and rotation.
@@GNMi79 Lol $320 is less than transmission fluid costs for my Audi. You've never had ANY repair bills kiddo.
Get smart and buy a hybrid. We have a ‘22 Honda Accord hybrid. Uses on board batteries that are charged when break is applied…e.g. at a red light. It carries gas but we get 42 mpg.
You are getting great mileage, sadly many hybrids do not … there is definitely a place for them. It’s a case of looking at what will fit your needs best …
Yep, until the technology works my next car is a hybrid.
My RAV4 also gets great gas mileage, 40 mile straight EV range too.
@@chrisbraid2907 The new Toyota trucks are hybrid but their emphasis is adding more horsepower for their use. Hybrids have 2 purposes, some are for added mpg, others for better towing capacity. RE; Tacoma, Tundra.
I avg 49 on my 2015 prius with over 350k miles.
Good luck also driving an electric car from Sydney to Melbourne (Australia) which I can currently do on one tank of fuel, without having to stop to charge.
Yep, unless EVs can match that range they’re a downgrade.
With an ev, you only save fuel cost if you charge at home. Any time you charge at a public charging station, the cost per mile is about the same as using gas.
TRUE But why would you charge anywhere but at home... except on long trips
Supercharger from central ky to Miami. Average 2.25 a gallon eqauvilent. What’s gas cost right now?
i've driven an ev now for 4 months. not one issue. zero. none. i do not expect the car to drive itself. i am perfectly capable.
Facts I did not know about tires, insurance, and, of course, resale value. Great video.
Thank you!
Re: tires, should be clarified the JD Associates survey with "13,000 miles" replacement stat refers to OE tires. Misleading to translate this to "2 - 3x" replacement cycle as new tires can be a better spec or tech vs the original tires. The slight cost premium of EV specific tires does not come close to extra ICE costs; especially performance vehicles.
Re: resell with old battery (8 years+), there are options beyond new replacement. Refurbishment (like a tune up) can provide a practical second life to an existing battery with capacity recovery up to 90%. Given this item is long term costs will go down significantly, while simultaneously providing an Upgrade to range and other stats. With more EV's being written off due to high costs / giga casting trend, there will be more used batteries medium term.
Disclaimer: Satisfied PHEV LiPO owner; encourage others to wait for semi-solid 4C+ capable batteries.
Don’t believe all the negative “facts” in this video. I have owned a Tesla for 5 years and some of the points in the video are true but I can honestly report to you I will NEVER go back to a combustion engine car again! Let me explain. My home has 60 solar panels installed on its roof. The panels supply all of my homes power needs and has enough to supply my car for a zero out of pocket cost for all of my needs. So I enjoy energy independence. I don’t have to get oil changes or tuneups. I keep my tires inflated to proper air pressures and put water in the windshield reservoir. The tires get rotated every 10,000 miles. That’s it. Other then wash and wax once a month. Brakes that will last a lifetime because you never really use the brakes because the car regenerate that power in momentum to recharge the battery while stopping the car. ( no energy lost ) plus no emissions from a nonexistent tale pipe! Add to the fact you will no longer be getting screwed at the gas station really is satisfying!
Insurance for EV's is comparable to ICE vehicles. Given that you can see a lifetime fuel savings of over $40,000-$60,000 and a a lifetime maintenance savings of $10,000-$20,000 the cost of tires and depreciation on an EV should not be much of a worry.
@Dallas-wu6st
Everything he brought up are all facts.
Thanks brother for your information that you gave us before we go to EV. In my opinion ,the gas cars better than EV vehicles because When I compare EV with the gas cars, we won’t spend $20 thousand in 10 years to the maintenance however if we will cost us $20 thousand to replace the battery.
The batteries outlast the vehicle. It's interesting to see how ignorant ICE vehicle drivers are.
I live near the Reno, Nevada and there are lots of EVS, mostlyTeslas, here. They can generally be seen between here and almost anywhere in California. Once you head east into the desert and then across most of the US until you get to more major cities, you see almost none of them. Cost may be an issue as those in the hinterlands do not have as much money as those in big cities, but I believe that range and lack of charging stations are two major problems. I recently drove cross country in my Camry hybrid only stopping for gas every 500-600 miles. After 5-10 minutes, I was on my way again. On the open western and midwestern roads and freeways EVs were basically non-existent. I will buy one when true range is 400 miles or more and there are plenty of charging stations. Also, charging times need to be faster than 20 minutes. I am not sure if this is possible. EVs are perfect for short to medium range trips, not long distances. Many Americans cannot afford to have two cars, so the ICE vehicle is their choice.
Lucid Air has over 500 miles range but it's too expensive, can't justify saving gas money.
EVs will never do what ICEs do. Not only are the drawbacks inherent to the technology but the infrastructure is a century behind ICE.
That's why I decided to get a hybrid after my last gas only car. I wanted the higher mpg of hybrids but did'nt want to be tethered to a charger while gas stations are still readily available where I drive.
Hybrids the way to go right now. 👍
But you have 2 types of fuels which double the problems
@@b3arwithm3 No, the hybrid just consumes gasoline. The battery is charged by the ice engine and braking regeneration.
@@aceroadholder2185 I know that, but now you have a combustion engine and electric engine to worry about. There's a lot of tech in there which is proportional to the number of possible problems.
Toyota hybrids are the way to go! I have one and I never have to plug in which is awesome.
Me personally, a Flex Fuel Plug in Hybrid with at least 100mile range. Reason is most people's commute is less than 100mile round trip on average. So it means I rarely have to charge on the go and if I do need to make those long distance trip, I don't have to worry about stopping at any charging station where the price per charge can vary greatly.
What's the vehicle?
take a train
I like the way the problems are presented from the standpoint of practical issues as opposed to political or economical issues. This video is a good warning about doing your research before you buy.
This is a rational analysis. As a 66 year old who has observed technological development for half a century I will wait until electric vehicle technology matures. There is no way I would have purchased the first VCRs, flat screen TVs, cell phones, personal computers, or any number of things I have seen become reasonably priced and genuinely useful with further development.
Buying a PHEV and charging it at home overnight makes a lot more sense for most. Or save more up front and buy a used hybrid. Toyota hybrids are often reliable to 175 thousand miles. A short drive to work will save you a lot of time and money.
Correct but if you keep driving a short distance and the engine unable to perform their role then … will be a problem too. Engine under performing can cause more trouble ( this is my opinion only)PHEV
But you still end up maintain the engine and a more complex system in general. If it has to be a toyota.
Toyota plans to start producing electric vehicles (EVs) in the United States in 2025. The company's first U.S.-assembled battery electric vehicle will be a three-row SUV. Toyota also plans to start production at its first battery plant in North America, located in Liberty, North Carolina.
I have had a new EV for just under a year and am very happy with it. But my circumstances are unique to me. I live in a warm country, Portugal. I have solar panels so my driving is mostly free. I got a 5 year service free deal. I have only been away from home once where I needed to use public charging. No queues in Portugal. If when I need a new battery pack in 10-12 years time technology will have changed so much, I suspect the cost of a new battery will be at least 50% less than today. Let's wait and see when I need new tyres.
We'll see if your home battery even last 7 years. Been there done that
@@tommyking626 not sure what you mean. home battery. If you have had a battery that only lasted 7 years, then it was made 7 years ago. Battery technology has change in the last 7 years.
Just purchased honda civic for daily commute. No thanks to EV. Honda has awesome reliability and inexpensive maintenance.
I have a Mach E. Car has been great. Paid about $33k for it after federal rebate. Cost me $0.90 to drive 100 miles. I rarely use a public charger. Car needs zero maintenance. Had it two years and it's never seen a shop.
Range sucks in the winter however.
Our second car is a PHEV.
Do you rotate your own tires? That’s the only reason I go to a shop anymore - I change my own oil, but I don’t like rotating tires.
Do you have any evacuation plan so that when your car catches on fire while you're driving down the road you can get out of it?
Zero maintenance 😂
@@davek9378 no. Too lazy lol
@@rickhazen5227 Educate yourself. An EV is 27 times less likely to catch fire than an ICE.
I plan to wait at least five years to see what happens with electric vehicles also, I really don’t think they are worth the extra premium in price that you pay both at the dealership and at your insurance company, as well as the maintenance costs which tend to be rather high
I think they're probably worth the extra cost if you home charge *and* do the miles needed to get that upfront cost back on not buying petrol. For us we can't justify it - our big car does less than 8k a year - we'd never see the savings back. I can see us getting a small local runabout EV though, but more than likely will wait for technology to improve.
Same here… time will tell if the is the future or not, and I suspect it isn’t the future.
If you can charge in your garage, and you only drive locally, EVs are fine. Public chargers are a disaster.
00:00:55 Проблемы с общественными зарядными устройствами
• Ненадежность и сложность использования общественных зарядных устройств.
• Необходимость загрузки фирменного приложения для некоторых устройств.
00:01:53 Непредсказуемый запас хода
• Влияние экстремальных климатических условий на запас хода.
• Рекомендация держать батарею заряженной от 20 до 80%.
00:03:30 Деградация аккумулятора
• Ухудшение емкости аккумулятора со временем.
• Рекомендация выбирать электромобиль с большим запасом хода.
00:04:29 Шины
• Износ шин из-за большого потребления энергии на колеса и веса электромобиля.
• Необходимость частой замены шин.
00:05:28 Стоимость ремонта и обслуживания
• Сложность ремонта и обслуживания электромобилей.
• Высокая стоимость ремонта и обслуживания по сравнению с обычными автомобилями.
• Ограниченная сеть сервисных центров для некоторых брендов, таких как Tesla.
00:06:27 Проблемы владения электромобилями
• Неизвестная долгосрочная надежность электромобилей, так как большинство популярных моделей давно не выпускались.
• Стоимость или потенциальный отказ аккумулятора, особенно после истечения гарантийного срока.
• Стоимость при перепродаже, так как стоимость электромобилей падает после 8 лет использования.
• Стоимость страховки, так как ремонт электромобилей может быть дорогим.
00:10:10 Проблемы с покупкой электромобилей
• Электромобили дороги и недоступны для большинства потребителей.
• Технологии улучшаются, и в течение следующего десятилетия многие проблемы могут быть решены.
• Гибриды или подключаемые модули могут быть более разумным выбором для многих потребителей
Some of these points will not apply to many people. I've owned an EV for 15 months and in that time I've used a public charger twice, despite doing over 20k miles per year. In my case, both times I used a public charger there were no issues and no need to download an app, although I accept that this won't always be the case. In terms of range variability, the same is true of ICE vehicles. My previous deisel car used to get about 70mpg in the summer and 50mpg in the winter, although again this totally depends on how you use the vehicle and what your climate is like. My maintenance costs have been far lower with an EV. Mine is a Hyundai, as was my previous deisel vehicle. Both vehicles were supposed to be services every 10k miles. The deisel I would get serviced every 10miles, so over twice per year, which in the UK would cost me about £1000. My EV I only get services every 20k miles, because 10k seems pointless and after the first 20k miles all I was charged for was one hours labour as there was nothing that needed doing, cost £165. I use the same tyres as I did on my deisel. The cost is £10 more per tyre, because I use the high load version. Previously I was replacing the tyres every 20k miles, whereas now it's about every 15k miles, so it was about £360 per year and is now £530 per year. My insurance was about the same in the first year of ownership, but has gone up £60 for the second year. Apart from the fact that the overall maintenance has cost me a lot less, I also save £250 per month on fuel, but my overall cost of ownership is very similar between the two, because of higher monthly finance costs, due to the higher purchase price.
In my experience ownership has been a totally painless experience, although I am part of a very small niche group for whom I think EV's make financial sense, that is people who do higher mileage, preferrably exclusively around town, but who can almost always charge from home. This will not be the case for most people who will either do lower mileage or will make up their higher mileage with longer journeys on faster roads.
I still think the biggest problem with EV's is the fact that being a new technology there is always the possibilty that there will be a breakthrough that renders current EV's obsolete and worthless.
Hydrogen.
Thanks for being honest about your experience and situation with regard to EVs. They are NOT for everyone. But they are suitable for people in certain situations, and you mention some of those -- home charging, local driving, etc.
£1000 to service a Hyundai diesel? I've never paid over £350 and I drive a Jag. As for range, a 20 mpg drop in the winter, I don't get that. I don't know what mine is, using heated seats, a/c all the time, screen heaters and so on and I've never noticed any significant drop in range so it can't be much and absolutely nowhere near 20mpg. You also didn't include the depreciation factor.
That said, I don't particularly think it's price that's the number one thing that holds people back as anybody who can afford a new car can almost certainly afford a new EV. Value, on the other hand, is another thing entirely.
@@rgroove1970 That's EXACTLY what I keep saying to those raving about the cheap Chinese EVs that are on the way, I've challenged the Chinese to come back in 10 years and tell us how good they are then. Needless to say I've had no takers.
Makes me laugh how EV owners get through a year with no problems and think it's something special, some sort of achievement - maybe it is for an EV. My car is 15 years old next year and got through the year with no problems. Same last year etc.
These will be bad for the environment in the long term because when they get to 10 years old they'll be scrapped. Who is going to buy a 10 year old EV knowing that at some point during their ownership it's that much closer to needing new batteries, or motors, or heat pumps etc; all expensive components.
Maintenance cost is a big advantage, not a disadvantage. Old EVs like the Nissan Leaf and Tesla Model 3 have proven to cost as much as half the average car to maintain.
Please show the source of this information
According to Car Edge, the average cost of maintaining a Tesla Model 3 over a decade is $3,587 - this is cheaper compared to luxury sedans that have an average maintenance cost of $8,374.
We've had our Chevy Bolt for almost a year. For a commuter car it's fantastic. With tax rebates we got is brand new for around $25000. We save $200 a month in gas.
Lmao. What a fool
However, it's a Chevy and should be in a junkyard
Did you not watch the video?
If you think you saved money..did you figure the cost of the car..?
@@bill7956he told you the cost of the car, $25,000.
Great info. Thanks.
Wow, the anti-EV FUD is strong with this video. I own both a 23-year old Lexus and a one-year-old Ford Mach-e. I've put 20,000 miles on the Ford and have had zero issues. The idea that the tires wear early is crap. I've seen no more wear on mine than on the Lexus. Also, the battery "issue" does not exist. I have a vendor who purchased a ten-year-old Tesla with 130,000 miles. The battery had degraded about 10%. He took it to a repair shop, and spent $1,000 to update the battery with more range than new and a five-year warranty.
Just curious what oil company is behind this video.
You people are delusional. You would never admit how badly they suck.
I've owned a Tesla P85DL for 9 years and 95,000 miles. I really like the car but it's been expensive to own when you include the initial cost, even though I have free supercharging. I have spent more on repairs than most of my ICE vehicles. The range is down by around 15%. It also appears my car is only worth about 20% of what I paid for it. Hybrids make much more sense overall unless like me you love the acceleration of EVs.
@@rayshepherd2479 valid points! i wonder what repairs you've had. Can you elaborate?
@KaiPonte The latest was $2,500 to replace the air conditioning system, which also conditions the battery. Most of the other repairs were covered by the warranty. These included rear drive train failure, main screen replaced, and mcu update. Other out of warranty has been 12 volt battery and broken handle. On my ICE vehicles, I can easily replace the battery but not on the tesla. I did fix the handle for under $30, but it took me a couple of hours. Now I still like the car and infact, just purchased another model S because I like the performance and the new one has a much greater range. It was also less expensive after a large price reduction. The only thing I don't like on the new car is stockless turn signals.
@@rayshepherd2479 ouch!! I honestly am glad I haven't had these issues.
One of the drawbacks I'm not seeing discussed is grid capacity. Our distribution network cannot even handle a heat wave much less a large increase in the number of EVs. And how would you charge them when the grid is barely able to support the increased demand by HVAC systems during such events?
Grid capacity is definitely a drawback that "will" likely be an issue for the EV industry and owners in the future, but right now, it's just not a problem. EVs are still a small percentage of US auto sales. That said, grid capacity is one of two infrastructure issues that will most certainly have to be addressed before EVs will gain widespread appeal in North America--the other being charging station availability and reliability. In short, I believe the grid capacity issue will be mostly resolved before EVs are widespread.
You need to read and research more! this "grid problem" is skuttlebut from the oil industry
Excellent video!!!!I drove a loaner electric Mercedez EQS for over a month….. most importantly you have to have a home Fast charger number 2,don’t plan of making any long road trip like 100 miles or more cause you will definitely experience stress ….if you get one just use it for a daily commute or for errands around town
I’ve experienced the anxiety and I agree with you 150%
I see things similarly to you. For me, the extremely high purchase price for electric cars is central. Some of the problems you mentioned could be avoided with a leasing contract. However, I suspect that the monthly rates will be correspondingly high.
Thank you for the answer review! I wonder if you could share some of the concerns about hybrid and EV batteries EMF effect on health.
EMF effect on health? My understanding of EMF is electro magnetic force. EMF is generated when an electric or magnetic field changes. A battery is static DC, it does not create an EMF. The motor in an EV does use an EMF to produce the rotational force, but it is contained within the motor casing, because not doing so will reduce efficiency.
No worries. Not enough force. Your cell phone is stronger.
I have had a Tesla for two years, and my wife has a Defender we have a the gas ride if needed. I don’t think I could go back to a gas-powered car. I charge 99% of the time at home.
I'm sure the vehicles are very nice, but not many families can afford to have $150,000 tied up in automobiles that are losing value every day.
@@aceroadholder2185 my Tesla was 50K though. The prices will come down. Small cars for urban environments not giant electric SUV long haulers that’s foolish.
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@@aceroadholder2185some people don't have money to buy a car at all. Do you think about them when you drive your car? People buy what they want/afford.
2:55 - well, yes, in day-to-day driving, it’s best to keep the battery at 2/3ish charge (except for LFP batteries), but if you’re about to take a road trip, definitely charge it up all the way first. The issue is only long-term.
I personally don’t recommend EVs nor PHEVs unless you can routinely slow-charge at home or at work. If you can though, they’re a real pleasure to drive.
A lot of people ask, “what if you run out of charge and there’s no charger around?” That’s a lot like asking, “what if you get sleepy and there’s no bed around?” In other words, why would you get into such a situation? In day-to-day driving, you pretty much never have to think about charging. For road tripping, EVs have built-in trip-planning apps to make the planning really easy. There are great smartphone apps for that too.
Totally agree with your assessment ! Insurance and
'body" repair costs are the deal breakers for me to buy a brand-new EV right now
I bought a traditional car 7 year ago and now I only get the same MPG as I did when I bought it. 😂
@@matt8264 seriously, my car is 18 years old now and the MPG hasn't degraded at all. total maintenance over 2 decades is under 5k as well since I do the work myself. EV aren't the future, nor are they competitive, especially since once the central banks are dismantled around the world, the price of fuel will drop by 75% or more and stay there.
@@matt8264 Unfortunately gas prices have gone up significantly, so costs a lot more to cover the same distance.
@@GDM22 You are paying a premium for an electric car over a gas one. So while you claim to be saving money between fill up’s you pay more for the car. Obviously how long you own it will determine if you get a return on investment.
@@zarroth Similar story, 26 year old Honda Accord still getting 28 MPG around town, no loss of range, I need to replace a sway bar bushing. And I upgraded the sound system to support Apple Carplay.
To everyone that got EVs:
Thanks for being our guinea pigs and setting the road for us in the future.
I've gained enough life experience to learn that stuff that's pushed on us by the government are rarely for our benefits.
I've also learned that you never jump on newer technology, software, electronics and so forth. You should let other people be the test subjects, it's also very entertaining to watch them regret their decisions to an obviously horrible choice(s).
I have an EV for 4 years now and I am very satisfied. No problem at all, everything is OK. My next car will be an other EV.
Where do you live? If your in a warm climate year long then they are okay but living in Canada or a cold climate area then they are massively unreliable.
Im sure the children mining for your batteries will be well chuffed
I have had EV's for over 7 years, no expense on repairs or servicing, great to drive, I will never go back to an unreliable, expensive to run ICE car. They are such a faff to drive, with an EV you just press the peddle to go and lift to stop, pure one peddle driving
@@stevehayward1854how many of your family members and friends agree with you?
@@leedouglas7080 But you're OK with those same children mining for the Lithium in your laptop and cell phone that you're typing your comment on, right?
Thanks mate! Great video. Kinda messed up showing us amazing ev models while listing their pitfalls 😂🤣
Here's two that I just learned about recently. The batteries will not charge when they are cold. They have a battery heater built in to keep the battery warm, and yes they drain voltage and shorten your range. If you park overnight in 20 degree weather not on a charger, the battery will get too cold to charge. And it will then have to use the remaining battery power to heat the battery before it can begin charging - the charging stations don't provide power to heat the battery. You can get into a situation where the battery is too cold to charge and there's not enough juice left to heat it enough. Then it tow truck time.
The second thing is that if an EV is in a wreck that may have sent shock waves through the battery, they have to replace it. The impact may have jolted a connection loose inside the battery and there's no way to open the battery to find or fix it. Without fixing it, the risk of fire greatly increases. This is also why insurance is so high because repair costs will also be high. Imagine taking an $80K car for service and it costing $20K. That's 25% of the cost of the whole car!
Most of my driving involves longer distance so, no, EVs aren't a consideration for me nor will they likely ever be. My EV owning friends often tell me there are "superchargers" across the country which can be used to quickly charge EVs during longer trips. I always respond with a challenge: I will race them from Atlanta to LA and back. I never get a response. :)
Come on you have to make it a fair challenge. You go from Atlanta to LA & back, your ev cohorts fron Atlanta to LA only. Could be a close call.
Maybe they have jobs 🤷
@@farnthboy LOL. I'm making it fair. I don't even ask them to tow anything.
You mean like I had for 40+ years? Yeah - maybe.
Sure if your job is to race from LA to Atlanta, then current EV's are not for you. But the line, "I race from LA to Atlanta for a living," is a line said by no one in history.
First of all, this is an excellent video giving real-time facts, which I have gradually been discovering for myself, therefore I have confidence in all that is explained here. I still believe that if I am seriously thinking of buying an EV, it will be a hybrid. The main reason is the issue of the complexities and irritations of recharging at public chargers, also I hear that vandals are beginning to pull the charger plugs out just for kicks, while the driver is having a rest or meal
Just remember that when cars came out there were no roads.
@@alowatsakima8950 Specious and a false equivalence.
Had my Tesla five years. And will buy another. EV’s are the future unless you’re a paranoid conservative.
@@ThomasWalerius The average car buyer, whether conservative or a flaming liberal, is constrained by economics. Thus the flood of unsold and unsellable electric vehicles sitting in dealers lots, GM and Ford are taking a bloodbath on them and slowing production.
You my friend own what makes you happy, why can't you let others do what makes them happy?
The plug locks in when you charge, so it can't be pulled out.
I have an elctcric BMW CE-04. I will be trading it in before the three year warranty runs out. After three months of ownership, its in the repair shop.
I got one but i only felt safer on my choice once you reviewed the Ioniq 6 vs Tesla and when Scott Kilmer reviewed the Ionig 5. All your points are valid but, like you said, going for a choice that had longer range gave me a lot of piece of mind. Thank you for your great work.
This program is strictly for dumbasses. Before any EV is sold to a customer, mandatory electric vehicle ownership classes must be taken. Especially battery charging and safety.
Piece ❌ 👉🏻peace
Longer range does not necessarily mean better. His advice is not very good there. A Standard range Tesla can be charged to 100% all oft he time, the long range Tesla is only meant to be charged to 80%, meaning that it loses 20% of its distance, which makes it basically the same distance as the standard range anyway. So unless you are using all of that range every single time you drive it, its completely pointless going for the long range, not to mention the standard range is a battery quality battery. This guy is spreading propaganda bs and exaggerating the truth.
@@Channel-iu6deI want the AWD which I think is a good reason to get the long range.
But I though you wanted... *EV* the future
hmm? Havent had enough of what happends to iphones, or charging battery degradation?
*Or* *did* *you* *seriously* *it* *wouldnt* *happened* *to* *EV* AHAHAHAHAA
i don't want a car that forces me to change the way i drive, plan and calculate routes for long trips, worry about broken and slow chargers or handshake problems, heater affecting range (ice cars mileage not affected), cold weather affecting range (ice cars mileage not affected), warnings of staying above 20% but not above 80% charge, premature tire wear, premature suspension wear, trading a 2min fill up for a 45min 80% charge (that's insane).... all that just to avoid paying $35 to fill up? only an idiot buys a 100k tesla model x because of gas prices!
I don’t like change!
Heaters don’t greatly affect range anymore. Tire and suspension wear isn’t any more than a comparable ICE car (those a myths). Modern V3 super chargers will charge you 80% in 5 to 10 minutes. But the majority of owners charge from home overnight and spend 0 minutes waiting for a charge or fuel. Saving the average person around 16-17 hours per year on getting fuel.
You can buy a model 3 for less than the average car price in the US. Certainly below $100k. (Closer to $35k) and to save an average of $50 a week on fuel give or take $2,600 per year savings plus not needing any servicing which is savings again.
Yah, and don't forget all the money spent while waiting for a charge at a public charger for those that go and buy stuff, they normally wouldn't have, if driving an ICE vehicle.
Higher insurance payments.
Tire replacement cost more and are changed more frequent than on an ICE vehicle.
@@Pk3_Garage in most places insurance is comparable. EV tires also don’t wear faster. That’s an urban myth.
@@Pk3_Garage not sure why you think using a public charger forces you to buy more stuff. Not like service stations have shops in them with cigarettes, toys, snacks, lollies etc.
Resale value sucks on any EV over 6 years old. Not for me......Thanks anyway....I will drive my Altima for the next 10 years and for a lot less.
Like your clearheaded presentations. We've owned a Tesla y for exactly one year. I agree with all your conclusions.. This Tesla has been wonderful. But we are retired , have a charger in our driveway and the areas we wish to visit have plenty of Tesla chargers. The reason I mention being retired is we have plenty of time to stop on a trip, relax, use the bathroom, etc. If I lived in one of the red states with few charging options it would be a problem. I agree for most people a hybrid is the best option. However I am certain that on two occasions Tesla's powerful Autopilot program avoided accidents on the highway. For awhile Tesla offered one month free autopilot. It was impressive. Thanks
Good video, but you forgot a couple of very important issues:
- Lifespan. EVs will on average last just under 10 years. For gas/diesel cars, the number is around 17 years (diesel slightly longer).
- EV batteries can easily catch fire, which is a complete nightmare to extinguish.
You're right about long warranty on EV batteries. But some companies, mainly Tesla, will ALWAYS try to blame the car owner when something happens, which is why there is ALWAYS up to several court trials going on at the same time, even here in Norway, which is a small country, population wise. I will NEVER buy a Tesla, because their customer service doesn't really exist, at least after you've bought the car.
Your right. Our Toyota Camry 2012 still runs as well as the day it was bought. Now the government wants us to buy an ev costing so much more than a gasoline car. Then after about 8 years you have to junk it because it will cost too much to replace the batteries. I hope they come out with hydrogen cars soon.
Nissan releases the Nissan Leaf with no battery cooling which negatively affected how long the battery lasted. No electric car manufacturer fell for that yet somehow, the anti EV community can't mentally update their facts and still dumbly claim they last 10 years.
EV batteries don't easily catch fire. As a percentage, they catch fire nearly 30 times less than ICE cars. I agree they are harder to extinguish but that's because the fire brigade don't all have the correct equipment. When petrol cars came out, the fire brigade couldn't put petrol fires out because they just used water. Technology catches up.
There will always be people blindly against the newest thing. When petrol cars came out there were people who would "never get one, it's not the future, I don't have to fill my horse up, there's nowhere to get fuel, they take ages to fill up" which is the same old nonsense we are hearing this time around.
I have never owned a vehicle more than 8 years. Had Kia,dodge, Nissan , Chevy. Maybe it’s a Honda or Toyota mindset for 15 years ownership. Got a model y I’ll never know can never go back to the 19th century gas technology.
I work at a mechanic shop, we see electric cars with tires that wear down twice as quickly as those with gas engines because they are sooooo heavy.
Many EVs have super powerful acceleration so I am thinking high tyre wear originates with the driving style of the owner or driver.
@@videocanonuser Funny that, as I have been driving EV's for over 7 years now and I have never worn a tyre down yet, maybe I'm not driving it right. I do drive it like I stole it, but the computer takes the wear out of the tyres, no matter how hard I floor it and it will do 0-60 in 3.9s
@@stevehayward1854and you are a EV paid guy as I see you bot face everywhere in the comment section.
How about the wiring in older houses? Will you be able to charge your vehicle at home?
There are (at present) three charging levels. Level 1 is plug into a standard 110 volt outlet - the car comes with one of these plugs. That is super slow and can take 40 to 50 hours for a full charge (no kidding). Level 2 is a dedicated 220 volt outlet, like what your stove or clothes dryer has. You can have one of these wired up and a home charging station installed. They typically charge at 1 minute per mile of added range. A 60 minute charge will get you 60 miles of range. Then there's Level 3, which is a public charging station with a super charger. These can get you 250 miles of range in as little as 20 minutes. But not all public chargers are super chargers, so be ready for that surprise.
@davidallen5535 been charging my Volt for 10 yrs from1960s home 110
Talking to EV owners will reveal the truth . If you live in a warmer area and simply drive within 25 miles of your home its a nice , despite expensive toy to add to your collection . However,
the TV ads are quite deceptive. " Plug it in at night and your ready to go in the moring " . Notice the ad never mentions -Go Where ? Not 300 miles like the window sticker indicates , you need at least 3 nights of charging for that . Are you OK with stopping 3-4 times to charge your EV for at least 40 minutes on a long trip ? Are you OK with driving 50 MPH on a Turnpike simply to keep up with traffic to attain the distance they advertise ? The reality is if you drive 75-80 you use 1/2 of the stored electricity . If you use the Heater, you use 1/2 of the electricity. Charging in your home garage sets up the possibility of a fire. In fact ask any Fire Dept what happens when they apply water to a Battery powered auto fire. Are you aware that once the battery fails after warranty a replacement is over $ 25000 installed ? Are you aware that Europe rental company Sixt dropped Teslas and bought gas powered vehicles ? Are you aware that American company Hertz just dumped 20,000 Teslas because they cost a fortune to repair ? Our govt is attempting to force Americans to go " ELECTRIC " to ensure that their investment in batteries provide them a fortune in retirement . Everything else happening is simply to keep our minds off of whats really happening . Its the Pied Piper story on this decade.
CLEARLY does not have a level 2 charger at home!
I guess because I have owned a Tesla for over 5 years I have not encountered any of the concerns raised in this video, except for one. I do go through tires more so than an ICE car. I guess it’s partly because of the weight of the car but probably more so the jack rabbit accelerations. The 0-60 in three seconds never gets old. In five years no repair costs, no maintenance, never had a moment of range anxiety. I would never drive an ICE car again. In fact, it’s so annoying to drive a rental ICE car when I travel.
You can rent a Tesla from Hertz these days. Just be sure to do a full walkaround before you drive off.
Do you go through tires at two to three times the rate of an ICE car? That seemed a bit far fetched to me.
In my experience, the tires do wear more quickly, but a rate of 3 x is crazy. This guy and his video are poorly informed, and likes to say the sky is falling . Seems to sensationalize any potential negatives.
I replaced my first set of tires around 12,000 miles. Since then, with my current mileage at 72,000, I've lost count of the number of tire sets I've gone through. I'm certain it's at least three, possibly four sets. It's safe to say that I've changed my tires more frequently than my underwear. Since Teslas don't have spares, I carry a few cans of fix-a-flat and opt for ride-flat tires for added peace of mind. I will never drive anything other than a Tesla.
@@jamesheartney9546 Thanks will do.
Hi,
I have a Tesla3 with 9500 miles. I drive in average about 40 miles every day. I charge it overnight 60 miles. A pleasure to drive and enjoy road trips about 200 miles round trip. A year before buying the Tesla I installed solar panels, so basically the electricity is free as the solar system produces enough kilowatts hours for both my house and car. Highly recommended!
Dan
You didn’t pay anything for your solar system. Where do I sign up
I have the same situation! Screw the oil companies! Also added a nice battery backup to my home to be recharged by my 60 solar panels on the roof. So mostly keep all my energy for my own needs and send a few KWHs to the grid. I could go off grid but by city ordinance I am required for some reason to stay grid tied. But the electric company is the energy provider of last resort! With few exceptions have added to the grid rather then had a taken from it at the end of the month.
That is exactly my plan. I’m thinking about adding 8 more solar panels to add more kilowatts hours to charge a Tesla Y I’m buying for my wife. We are both retired so most likely these will be our last vehicles.
Thanks for your comments.
Dan
Exactly
Is it a bad idea to buy a gas car in 2023? I just did, only because electric car in the size/format I needed was too expensive. I just put down $ for 2023 Honda Passport because my family is expanding and it was the biggest SUV I could fit into my garage and having a bit of remorse about it.
Don't be sorry.
You made a great choice. A super reliable gas car that fits your families needs. You can always replace a second car for your house with an electric in the coming years. I'd say 5 years from now is when electric cars technology and charging infrastructure will be even remotely worth it. With how rapidly EV technology is advancing, if you bought a 2023 EV, it will be hilariously out of date in 5 years. Best to wait for the technology to be more proven and advancement to plateau more + costs to come down
Gas cars are still perfectly fine to buy and the Passport is an excellent vehicle. The next gen of EVs will only get better and better so you can only benefit from waiting.
@@carhelpcorner Thanks for the reply! I watched a ton of videos on this channel before my purchase. You provide excellent advice and present it in a succinct way. Really appreciate it!
@@Chapper Great points. It’s an emerging technology and the costs are still high. It’s just a strange time to buy a car during the apparent transition period from gas to EVs.
45 minutes to fill the tank.. WHAT....???? NO resale value,....What do you mean our town does not have enough electricity to charge 20 cars. Why are the tires so expensive, What insurance cost/
V3 super chargers can charge a car in 5-15 minutes. But you charge at home overnight unless you find yourself driving over 300-400 miles per day.
Pretty much every town has the grid to support LOTS of EV charging.
EV’s don’t go through tired any faster than other cars with similar performance. And it depends on where you get your insurance. I pay less on my EV’s insurance atm than I did in my 2016 Subaru Impreza GX.
I think your stretching realities. of the local service. abilities . @@engineeringtheweirdguy2103
What happens to the range when you turn on the heater or AC, doesn't that deplete the battery too?
I saw a Ted talk last year about the carbon footprint of EV not being what you think by a longshot. Because of the mining of the rare earth metals required for the batteries. It takes about 5 to 6 yrs on avg for an EV to break even with an ICE vehicle. Believe it or not, the vehicle with the smallest carbon footprint is actually a hybrid. That is what i plan on getting for my next jeep.
Unfortunately the talk was out of date by the time it aired. New battery technologies have none of these issues and are now dominant in the biggest EV market place in the world, with their cars that are exported widely including the RWD Tesla Model 3 & Y also using these batteries.
Hybrid are the way to go
@@blue_ish4499 Yeah the worst of both worlds. Have a look at transport Evolved where one of the crew is $10K under water on a Volt after making $3K in repairs and it needs $6500 to replace 1/3 of the battery. He gets the best of both worlds repairing the ICE part and the EV part. Say no ho hybrids.
Ironically if you removed the battery completely (apart from the lead acid) then the carbon footprint would be even less. Also if you ever charge from the grid then you emit CO2 per KWH. Yours is an external combustion engine or remote combustion engine, there is no such thing as a free lunch as the saying goes
@@GDM22 there are no new battery technologies, it's the same old shit tweaked. Nor are there any groundbreaking clean solutions to the environmental disaster that is EV battery production going to emerge. These are just lies you have been fed. The information was still correct and only some batteries in the Tesla range do not contain cobalt, however what they do contain is dangerous, poisonous and environmentally unsound. Which is fine if it only impacts people miles away from you and pretty much sums up the attitude of EV owners generally.
This is one of the most intelligent videos on the subject. Many videos promoting EVs are blatantly dishonest. They deliberately avoid many of the EV's weaknesses this video addresses.
Good to know. Thanks for the info, and happy 2024!
Within the next 10 years charging stations will be as common as gas stations. The overwhelming majority of charging takes place in the owners home, so the charger problem is pretty minor.
If the overwhelming majority of charging takes place at home, why exactly would there need to be as many charging stations as there are gas stations currently?
Who is going to use them if almost everyone is charging at home?
@@shaggy-oneThe difference is there will be charging stations in apartment complexes, at work and other places you don't usually find gas stations.
I leased an ev. I'm not worried about resale or battery health because I'll only have it for 3 years then move to something else. I drive 70 miles round trip daily. Charge up for free at work every 3 days. Sometimes 2 if it's really cold and I use sport mode a lot. Have a charger at home to charge in case I need to. I'm saving 80 dollars a month in car payment and 300 in gas vs my 16mpg Ice car i traded. Between payment, gas and oil changes it's over $13k in 3 years. My ev is fast, fun, and the best part is i don't have to ever go to a gas station.
Also have a big ice SUV for family road trips but for my daily, far commute, the ev works awesome. And i can smoke 90% of the cars out there for added giggles.
I realize my situation is more ideal (minus the long high speed commute) but i think if yours is similar, don't be afraid to make the jump.
Very valuable info nice share must consider carefully before buying them I feel tesla is best
I purchased in may a 2022 nissan leaf sv that had 2700 miles on it. the new price on it was $29k and they had it advertised for $19,900 and offered me $19k cash deal. Someone lost $10k in just over 1 year. The car had been on a 1 year lease and was auctioned after that. I also found out that even though the car was "built" in USA and officially the car was used although just like new, the IRS refund was $4k ... the federal refund was assigned to the dealership and it took them over 3 months to get their money. I also applied for the $2k grant from PA state gov and it took about 2 months to get it but I did. so now I am down to $13k for the car. I figured for a new car it was worth the risk. I understood the maximum miles of 166 advertised made this a commuter so I kept my 2011 subaru forester as a very cold weather winter car, and a 4wd for our 900 ft uphill driveway in winter, and for towing a smaller trailer which filled the purpose of a truck for us. I think for middle income people who have multiple vehicles, the make a logical choice for a commuter and they keep the miles off the other vehicle which can be used for longer trips, pulling trailers, etc. after i got it and read the 860 page manual, I started to find out the "hidden" things you talk about. the battery has an 8 year, 100k warranty but you have to go to a nissan dealer to get it checked to keep it in warranty. Same with the tires an their warranty. the tires, michelin X green, are more expensive than standard tires. The nissan dealer is beyond a round trip range of a charge and the Chademo fast charger is rare in PA. in cold winter weather, the charging takes longer and the range decreases significantly (up to 50%) which with a battery that is older, can really limit travel. I then started to read about how you are supposed to limit charging from 30% to 80% in order to make the battery last longer so range is now 50% of advertised. the air conditioner and especially the heater (and heated seats and steering wheel) take a lot of power out of the range. I discovered the 12vdc "starting" battery can discharge under certain situations and I ad 63% main battery but got stranded because the 12vdc battery failed (2 years old) ... I discoverd in order to get warranty repair I had to take the vehicle to the dealer with the bad battery so they could connect it and send a report to Nissan who would decide if it was "bad" under warranty. I purchased a new battery from walmart and ate the cost. (also when you change it you lose some settings) ... my insurance was 30% more than my 2019 subaru outback. In PA they passed a law to add $200 a year to your registration to recover road taxes lost from petro. I like the Leaf and as a commuter I believe it is a decent choice for the price I paid, but battery anxiety is a real thing. it could be wise to look at a 3 year lease of a new one and drive/charge it anyway you want and walk away after 3 years and lease another. If they would drop the "gas cars will be totally eliminated by xxxx" and be honest about the pros and cons and push for middle and upper class using them for commuters, I believe you could get major buyin and make a radical difference in the transition but the way they are doing it is going to cause major pushback, especially as people discover the "10 thngs" (or more) that you mention... and also, there is the fact of mining for the lithium and other chemicals needed for the battery.... it is a major ecological mess where they do it. also, there is a major understanding that the battery needs charged. this seems silly but many people do not understand that the energy comes from a power plant that still creates "exhaust" ... you just transfer the tailpipe to somewhere else....
No evs for me
me too.. rather wait for 5 min 1 to 5 min gas then 45 to 1 hour for EV..
Fires are the big issue not pointed out
Excellent video! Very informative 👌👌
I’ve owned 5 different Tesla’s since 2013 and have publicly charged twice. Get home, plug in, forget about it. I rarely do road trips. Never seen any battery degradation but I trade in about every 3-4. years. I have saved a ton of money on maintenance. True that tires are more problematic but nowhere near the headache of maintenance required by ICE vehicles. Very little maintenance required, except that I keep an electric tire pump at home and check tire pressures more often. EV’s are a much better driving experience as well. I’ll bet this video is sponsored by the legacy auto industry. The vast majority who’ve ever owned an EV would never again buy an internal combustion engine. Those are antiquated after owning an EV.
It would be better for the environment if you kept your cars longer. Wife and I keep ours for over 10 years, much more environmentally friendly
You Musk be gay🤷🏻♂️
Checking the tire pressure on the screen in the car is hard, isn't it? You have to push like three "buttons" on the menu to see the pressure of all four tires...
@@toddwright662 It couldn’t be easier. You push the button icon at the bottom left of the screen to present the menu. Click on ‘Service’ and it displays all four tire with the current pressure of each. I check it about every 2nd or 3rd drive.
@@doriangray6985 I’m sure your right. But I like to drive the latest baby. But I do employ a home solar array where I put more energy into the grid than take from it.
You just cant beat Honda and Toyota--Price, mileage, dependability etc
We have a 2017 C-Max. The battery still charges to 20 miles with the same factors as in the video about weather and conditions. It is used for local driving and the car computer shows 114 MPG equivalent.
Interesting video to me because it highlights the huge difference in the markets of the USA and Asia. Over here (Malaysia), there are chargers in every shopping mall and almost every gas station that has a Starbucks or similar. We do not experience any of the issues you mentioned except the pricing, but in an unexpected way. The government has banned the import of EVs under USD 10k for 3 more years to give time to the two local OEMs to ramp up their own production.
Tesla just opened a plant here and those cars are selling like there is no tomorrow. I went Byd and love the drive!
This program is strictly for dumbasses. Before any EV is sold to a customer, mandatory electric vehicle ownership classes must be taken. Especially battery charging and safety.
@@GNMi79 It is small indeed, but I do drive long distances. All you need is fast chargers along the way and have a coffee or any other 15-20 minute distraction each 350 KM. When I travel in China it is sometimes 7-8 hours with 2 stops (3 if we are with kids of course). Long distance is always relative to infrastructure, in ICE it is gas stations while in EV it's UFC stations.
True. Also the case in Australia, which is a huge country, and does not have quite as many charging options as you seem to have. However, I regularly drive interstate in my Tesla (often 1900 km each way) and have no trouble at all charging when I need to. It takes a little more thinking than an ICE car, but that is not too difficult when the computer plots it all out for you. The touring is SO much nicer in my Tesla than any ICE car I have ever driven. EVs have just started to take off in Oz, and the Model Y is now the biggest selling sedan car in the country (of any type).
There is no Tesla assembly plant in Malaysia.
@jonnieinbangkok no need for a plant here. They have an Approved Permit to import cars without taxes or tariffs. The Shanghai Plant can deliver in under a week or two. It takes longer than that to get a license plate in Malaysia. 😅
They do have their SE Asia HQ in Cyberjaya (Selangor) close to KL and close to Putrajaya where government sits.
Their investment cash is better aimed at the supercharger network.
When you live in a very cold place (which is my case), petrol engines can lose between 20% and 40% of range (I have experienced this). Like electric cars. All recent cars have complicated electronics to ensure great fuel economy and a minimum of pollution. We sometimes see gasoline vehicles with black smoke. Some replace the catalytic converter with a hose. These tanks that used to pollute reasonably are polluting more and more. Several electric cars sold 10 to 13 years ago are still on the market with 20% range degradations. As gasoline engines age, they become clogged and also lose their efficiency. We then have to change the catalytic converters, the belts, the fuel pumps . . . All this is very expensive.
This article mixes truths with exaggerations and often forgets to make real-life comparisons with gasoline-powered cars.
In closing, battery technologies are evolving rapidly. Gradually, the life and reliability of the batteries improves. In addition, their costs will be less and less expensive. If air pollution continues to increase, hurricanes will be increasingly devastating, generating astronomical costs in all seaside cities. We have to stop looking only at the tip of our nose.
A huge issue is in the used car market. What is going to happen to lower middle class people and low income people? Are they going to be forced to buy cars with seriously degraded batteries and spend more and more time at chargers and pay more in fees? Or is the government going to have to raise state and federal taxes, So subsidize cars or batteries for low income people.
Not sure about all ev’s. But Tesla usually degrade about 10 percent. I bought a new model y. Think next time I’ll save a ton and take that 10% hit.
Bmw just increased my battery warranty from the original 8 years to 16 years. So obviously degradation is not my problem. It's the manufacturers problem. They will repair bad cells in battery or replace battery when it's loss 30% of the battery life
@@Joe2wice How long will it take them to do that work. And will you get a loaner while it is down?
Thanks for the advice I now own 3 Teslas and can’t wait to get the cybertruck.
Had one since 2019, will never buy an ice again from any other manufacturer.
Everything else has feels like a cheap ripoff…….
My Tesla Model 3 (2019) has exhibited none of the "problems" canvassed here. I agree, though, that it was "expensive."
In short, it is a dream to drive, has 68,000km on the clock and still its original tires, has 93% of original range, has cost me $0 for servicing and is super cheap to charge. The Supercharger network is superb and suffers from none of the drawbacks highlighted here. Recently I did a 5,800km extended trip in Australia using Superchargers with no problems, not even having to wait. Nothing has gone wrong with the cameras or electronics.
My M3 is a no brainer, simply superior in every respect.
The gushing has are not factored in depreciation, and any money you paid out on on "upgraydes" 20% is already lost against a new Model 3, and 2019 resale value will be for parts in a few more years. OK, so you like the car, people also like the 1969 GTO. Its like going on about how great an investment a 3 year old iPhone was.
@AndriasTravels I do pay a few dollars a month for Premium Connectivity, and it's great. I'll bite the depreciation bullet if I sell it (BTW, the M3 I describe is in New Zealand, I have another (long range) in Australia). I reiterate the driving experience - fabulous - and that's worth everything. Do you own an EV or even, maybe, a Tesla? I haven't met an unhappy T driver.
@@keitho9508 What a bowl of no brains no logic word salad. Hurry, the princess awaits you at the palace.
@@Andriastravels ICE cars depreciate pretty damn quick too. In Australia I can buy a electric suv with every feature including 360 degree cameras, auto reversing emergency stop etc for $7000 cheaper than a Kia Sportage with the same features.
Everyone says they are expensive to buy and quote Corollas etc. Now compare them to BMWs, Mazda CX90 etc and they are way cheaper. Try getting an ICE car that does 0-100km in the same time for any where near the same price as an EV.
@@keitho9508nobody I know that bought a Tesla bought another.
Excellent Video - Food for thought here.
I have a PHEV (MItsubishi Outlander) and installed an in-house charging station (240VAC) and can rapidly recharge my batteries but its dependent on ambient air temp, the charge is faster and stronger in warm weather as is expected with recharging batteries. All that taken into consideration, during warm weather I have gotten over 100 mpg during hot months for the gasoline engine that primarily drives the generator that turns the front and rear axle electric motors. In the beginning of my third year driving my 2021 Mitsu I still get 40 or more mpg during winter, colder weather months here in New England. I recharge anytime I am parked in my garage because my solar panel system is the parent company of the seller of my plug in charging system. So during the day I let the sun replenish my battery mileage. PS If you haven't felt the acceleration of an electric front axle with the rear axle pitching in to balance torque steer and provides 4 wheel drive, you are missing something!
I do realize we are comparing apples and oranges, just felt like throwing my 2 cents into the discussion.
What year model and what price did you pay? I'm researching. Thanks
Price
Range anxiety
Lack of working chargers
Cost of charging
Fire hazards
Insurance problems, charging indoors.
Depreciation
Cold performance
Rebates and subsidies ending
ICE cars are MORE likely to catch fire! I've had NONE of your list of problems
Thanks, good review. Not considering an all electric at the present time because of limited range.
Exactly
One issue that nobody seems to raise is with having to charge your vehicle in the pouring rain. Nearly all chargers (including Tesla) are out in the open and you can get soaked fixing up and paying for it. Not so ICE cars where nearly ALL gas pumps are under cover.
How long do you think it takes to plug in? Most countries outside of the US have what’s call pat pass or tap and go. You don’t even have to swipe your card. You just wave it at the machine and it’s done.
Additionally if you own a Tesla. Then you don’t even have to formalise payment at the charger. The charger will recognise the car and bill it to your Tesla account automatically so you can pay later. So you litterally just plug the car in the hop back in the car or walk somewhere else for a coffee or food.
How exactly did you imagine this process going down? Did you think you hand to stand there and hold the plug for 40 minutes like you were holding a diesel bowser?
Wait until it’s popular and prices come down a lot. 5-10 years from now in my opinion 😊
EV's have actually been around as long as ICE vehicles, but they don't want to tell you that.
@@henryhill3778Then why haven’t they dominated? Oh, thats right, because they are NO WHERE NEAR as reliable.
@@henryhill3778if this was about climate you would be able to drive a converted golf cart and save even more money. Here in Uk they are already turning home chargers off at peak times
@@jamesjoslin7586 EXACTLY!
Great video! Thank you ! Very informative!
Thank you!