2020 BMW S1000RR Video Review
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- The 2020 BMW S1000RR is what happens when government regulations ruin what is otherwise a good motorcycle. If you’ve been paying attention to the S 1000 RR (Yes, that’s its technical name, with spaces between letters and numbers. I’m scrunching them all together from here on out.), you’re already aware it’s been available in Europe for some time as a 2019 model year - and the reviews are raving. But now it’s slowly trickling into US dealers as a 2020 model, and this review won’t be quite as amazing - and it’s not entirely BMW’s fault. I wasn’t sure why there was a discrepancy, but after talking with some other journos who have ridden the European version, I think I know why.
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That ECU flash is killer and completely brings up the bottom end in 2,3, and 4th gear.
Great honest review! Too used to journalists getting excited about a bike just because it's new.
I was excited about this bike, too... and then I rode it. Frustrating, since the Euro version sounds like it's awesome.
Do you think its worth upgrading from 2018 S1000rr?
@@sanjv1120 Depends. If you have the time and money to uncork the new bike, then it'll haul ass.
Wow, that's the most negative review of the new S1000RR I've seen. All the negative reviews seem to be coming out of the US though, so clearly an issue with the tune over there.
They mad that their harley Davidson's are garbage lol
This review was shit regardless of tune issue, reading a magazine review would of been more entertaining, présenter was terrible to watch, lost interest in two minutes, waited to see if it got better, nope
You should read the S1000RR forums in other countries. They are pretty disappointed in them too.
Too bad looked nice for a moment.
@iron The problem is the US version's ECU set up. There is a loss of over 40 HP ( yes I know that sounds incredible, 40 fucking HP !) in the mid range when compared with the Euro version. I own a 2011 gen 1 and recently got a 2020 M pac. I'm in England so I don't have to tolerate the emasculated US version. PS I think your comment was bollocks :D Or u have been looking at the wrong revues while wearing a MAGA hat :)
The original S1000RR headlights made the motorcycle unique. It was ugly, but nothing else looked like it. Now, you might as well put a Ducati or Honda badge on it and it will seem right. I am surprised that US noise standards are more stringent than E.U. Does the new bike come with a steering damper? That head shake looked scary. BMW America should have given you an Euro spec bikes for track session.
It's not EPA it's CARB which is even more restrictive than Euro 4, due to logistics all new bikes are CARB certified even in non-CARB states.
BMW color TFT screen is best in the industry. Beautiful bike.
Rarely do I thumbs down a video but this one definitely deserves it. The pricing info given was completely wrong. The ride mode pro package is $1,600 (included in the race package), not $3,700. $3,700 is the cost for the M package which includes the ride mode pro package. Also, A loaded S1000RR with the M and Select packages is just over 22k, not 25k.
I hadn't heard about issues with the US tunes so I'll give credit for that but overall the video felt pretty amateurish. The host was unsure of his facts and stumbled over the technical details. I'd expect better from an actual magazine.
Not currently in the market for a new sportbike but sounds like this is a bike that will be awesome in the future once all these small issues have been worked out.
JackBurton R-1 its been the #1 liter bike since the beginning and still is atleast for me.
@@krayzieegg7294 for me its the blade because of the practicality of it. But any japanese bike is actually better than euro bikes because of simplicity and reliability
@@krayzieegg7294 for me too❤️
6:42 big moment! Glad you stayed on the bike!
You and me both! For a second I thought I was definitely flying off the thing.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking!
I have the 2020 RR and it is an amazing bike. However, he is absolutely correct about the US tune having little power particularly in gears 2 and 3 below around 8500 RPM. The decoded ECU map shows that the max throttle is capped at 40% of wide open regardless of input in these gears and engine speeds. You feel it, even in the restricted break-in period. You start rolling on the throttle where everything feels normal/great and then, well, nothing, regardless of how much more you twist.
My guess is that BMW underestimated the challenge in making the US version comply with EPA noise restrictions and were faced with the prospect of a major last-minute hardware/muffler change, or tweaking the ECU software to severely limit maximum throttle and exhaust value opening to game the EPA test. They chose the latter.
The good news is that there is a fix: flash the ECU via one of the tuners. Depending upon the type of tune, it will cost you between $400 and $1000, where the former gets you the EU tune. I got the Brentuning handheld flasher, which not only eliminates the need to send in the ECU, but also can revert the ECU to stock settings before taking it into BMW in case you worry about warranty coverage.
With the tune, the bike delivers all that was promised and more. Without, you have a bit of a crippled superbike and are less than fully satisfied.
Nice, how do you like the tune? Did you get the m+ tune? I just ordered the handheld with the m+.
@@calijudoable Yes, I got the ///M+. It's still great after 9K miles and 11 months. I didn't see value in the Stage 2 features, so I stuck with the ///M+. I hate loud, so I keep the stock exhaust. The higher redline sounded possibly dangerous (to warranty), the faster quick shift seems potentially destabilizing, I don't use MR12 or other super-octane fuels and I don't drag race. I had a great track day at COTA two days ago.
Great Review Troy, was very informative. Thank you. I had heard that the US 2020 S1000RR’s had this emissions issue that chokes the engine below ~8000RPM. The cure of course is to get an unrestricted ECU flash, however with BMW, they call it an unlock code, which is another purchase from them and it then automatically voids your warranty. I own a S1000RR and In the past it was really difficult to flash the ECU with a 3rd party program because of BMW’s outrageous security protocols that made you have to match the flash with the bikes VIN#. Maybe third party programmers have been able to get around this now, I hope so.
The other issue is the Hayes brakes and Nissin master cylinder. Who wants Harley brakes on a 25K Superbike? Hayes are the major brake supplier to Harley! On the M package version especially there is NO excuse for not having some sort of mid spec Brembo calipers and a Brembo master cylinder. The Nissin master cylinder has always been a poor performer compared to a Brembo unit. It also suffers from increasing lever gap with age where part of the lever pull range does nothing and then starts engaging the brakes, mine had ~1/2 to 3/4 inch when I changed to a Brembo master cylinder and was much happier.
For me I wouldn’t buy this bike, BMW May have change many things, however I’m NOT spending 25K for a choked engine and Harley Brakes.
In this price category, Aprillia & Ducati have REAL Superbike options!
I haven't seen it for myself, but I'm hearing from a few different sources that tuners have already developed a re-flash for the US S1000RR. So that's promising.
As for the brakes, top-shelf Brembo stuff is awesome, but Hayes and Nissin aren't necessarily inferior (I've used some good stuff from both companies before). Don't forget that Brembo has also supplied brake components to Harley as well. Something I find a little confusing is the 320mm discs on the BMW. Its competitors are running 330mm discs now.
But I get where you're coming from. If you're forking over that kind of cash, you don't want any compromises.
Reviews have said the Hayes brakes have felt better than the Brembo. The weak link being the Nissin mc.
Ya well i have the ducati V4 and it has to many issues that have to go to the dealer. So now im looking at the beemer. Example at 4500 miles it has a huge exhaust leak and small water leak. I pulled the plastic off to try fixing myself, i still could not see the exhaust.
I was lucky enough to get to demo this new s1k for an entire day. What a great bike!! I was on the M performance package also, the carbon wheels are gorgeous. This bike feels like it weighs NOTHING.
Have you ever ridden an RSV4?
@@Juxtaposed1Nmotion yes, its part of my work! also have a good friend with an RSV4 LE and ive riden his several times.
Amazing bike, sounds sooo good. A little cramped, and the rear seta are high and far back, a little bit aggressive for the street in my opinion. But the new R1 isnt much better.
I thought the detuning for noise and emissions was the rule for all bikes here in the USA. My CBR 954 certainly had a flat spot in the 5000-6000 RPM range, which I understand was designed for 65 MPH cruising in 6th gear. A Power Commander re-map fixed that quite nicely.
954 was the best bike ever made once you got a steering damper for it.
DjChrisChip I found mine didn’t need on, even at the track on DOT tires.
So glad to hear a real honest review from a major Motorcycle channel. Great stuff!
Sounds like the same issue as the Honda SP; Missed opportunity
Euro 5 is also really hindering plus the US thing. Expensive but not as expensive as top of the line Harley’s. First year redo’s take some time to settle thing out. Great honest review.
I'm not a bimmer fan but even I would consider getting this bike. Rispek BMW, this how you do an update!
BMW M3 & M5 etc are not M-Package cars, they’re standalone models not optioned 3 or 5 series models. Cracking bike.
Test rode the M model both on track and the road on winding ones, European. Great as a road bike for this category think is the best as it is comfy just put a cushy seat. Very easy to handle very easy to go quick flicks great only with bar input. DDC adequate for roads. For track I had issues hearing down shifts from high speeds as it is sooo quiet. And agree with opinion here, as I had my Tuono factory with ohlins for back to back and can say the RR has slight less feel on the front but not that is not as effective, just not that transparent which can give impression of not being so precise, nothing you cannot adjust to. Other than that, for the normal rider is way far beyond skills and it’s main advantage is being the best for the road. Now, we have a 10yr old upgraded RSV winning and a new R1M with price of a Panigale S! Coming.....
Really threw me off when he said "shift cam technology, which you and I would probably know as..." and didn't say VANOS.
I love how the rsv4 is still the benchmark and it's a 10 year old design
Best handling bike for sure :)
my opinion , the best looking bike on the market .
great review! keep up the good
honest work!
rode one and was a little 'underwhelmed' as its just not as sharp as I was expecting, glad a review has said the same, other riders that have had a ride also have said the same. Good, very good but not 'amazing' or 'game changing' just good newer version.
If at the race track with this bike you have to use a the race pro setting inline with the rider mass; track and tire fitted. Once you find the correct settings, the bike handling is outstanding. These journalists don’t understand the tech and create false impression.
Great review man!
Greetings from Brazil!
Don't worry about regulations, cause here in Brazil the lack of power in low RPMs are the same from my point of view.
Same feelings about the S1000 here man!
Honesty appreciated!
Apparently if you're not going to flash the ECU the bike is not worth even getting in the first place. Anyone know how much this costs?
Even without the butterfly valve, how loud could it be with the stock exhaust system?
Great review, man I’m glad we have the euro version here in Australia, it reminds me of my gen 5 ZX10r., the US version was about 20hp down than my euro ZX10r
Was the same with the gen 4, the new R1 also got hit yet the previous S1k didn't. Ive heard power is limited on bikes that sell a certain amount in America or was built before a certain date, as why the previous S1K didn't get restrictions of the newer map bikes. Looks like the restrictions have caught up with this new bike though.
Love the front end. Great symmetrical design that is both modern and edgy!
Sounds goot too but I would install a full aftermarket exhaust system for good looks and good moderate sounds! Not too loud... and ECU tuning to make the power powerband smooth and usable without large deviations.
Finally a great honest review. Thanks.
So its a flat spot between 6 and 8 rpms. Will a ecu flash void the BMW warranty?
Wow! The cameras have been placed in such a way it gives the viewer of this video realistic view of the drive. Excellent innovation in this video recording.
*Wow brutally honest thank you.*
This is a great review. Good to see motorcycle.com doing something like this. Really excellent.
We appreciate it, thanks.
Troy corser has ridden the stock bike and you should watch him riding on the track,after you would watch his video then you would know what potential this bike has apart from the rider
Whoever designed the 1st gen S1000R clearly bumped a line of K, looked in the mirror and said, yesss, that's how it's gonna look!! 😜
L4WNY genius
And yet somehow, i still find it beautiful. Sure in an ugly way. But theres something about the old one i just love.
Great review! I love this bike, but I think the old one isn’t that bad looking with the asymmetric lights, I think it makes it look Unique. But that’s my opinion
And here I was telling folks the US always gets the better versions of motorcycles due to EU regulations.
Oops...
My next bike.
Seems like you ride a Chinese replica...
One of the best out of the 1L for 2020
I don't hear any talk about it, so how would you rate the build quality, especially compared to the Italian and Japanese bikes?
Meanwhile im laughing on my 156kg, 1.241L, 243 rwhp, with titanium DLC rods, cams and finger-followers s1000rr (red line @ 16,2K pushing it)
Yeah, this bike is part of the 200mph club (206.36mph to be precise) through a mile run on slicks (also hit 0-62 mph in 2.371 secs and a 1/4 mile in 9.32 secs @ 163.2 mph.
Btw did I forget to mention that this is my daily?
Oh and I bought this 2020 S1000rr wrecked in the UK for £9,999... Sadly it cost around £2,000 to repair (apart from intake, exhaust, shattered wheels and left front fork, wiring loom and ruptured exhaust tank most of the damage was cosmetic)
The good old US of A really confuses me; you can buy an assault rifle from the supermarket but you can't buy an RR with full shove low down. Oh, and isn't it illegal to filter (lane-split) in more states than it's not illegal to go helmet-less?
is it true that its a little hard to get it in neutral?
Funny thing is bmw had a big struggle catching up to production demand for this bike, coz half of them got totalled within 3 months of owning those and then those same people went about buying again...
Even with cars, I've realized to not take american reviews seriously. One, they usually recieved crappy version than us who recieved EU versions. Two, americans have a different taste altogether compared to the rest of the world, I mean they actually think chrome rims and detailing is tasteful 🤮🤢🤮🤢.
But I like this review, its calm. It's like your friend telling you about it.
So for people who are looking at this bike. I’ve been seeing guys buying ECU flashes because the tune is garbage from factory.
Didn't know that Rob Schneider was into bikes
I guess I could be called worse. LOL
Thanks for the review!
Brent tuning will fix that flat spot with their tune.
Spectacular new super sport BMW S1000RR awesome too 🔝🔝👌👌
Awesome review!
I just can't seeing paying that money for a bike that makes crazy sounds like ticks when my 2020 zx10r was $15,000 and sounds amazing looks amazing rides amazing 👏 one of the best 👌 bikes I've ever rode and I've had every bike and just nothing beats a zx10r 2020 and price I'm so happy with it I can't ever sale it I'll keep that bike forever
These bikes are awesome but liter bikes are just getting too expensive. In Canada just a few years ago a top end bike was 15 grand, now everything is in the 24k range. That's a big hike in a small number of years.
Was gonna trade v4 but I think I’ll just keep it.
Last gen s1000rr looked waaaaaay better.....and this thing looks like a 300..Ohhh that exhaust....
I'm still debating on whether to trade in my 2017 1299 Panigale S for the new S1000RR M. I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on what you think I should do. Having a hard time deciding with the new S1000RR having a few small issues. My Panigale is a sexy Beast that I really don't want to get rid of...oh the struggle, lol!
Bro keep your 1299 sexy bike and it’s the last of the v twin generation i love the torque of that bike 👍 my 2 cents
Stop trolling
Nobody sells a Ducati and doesn't regret it later.
You shouldn't be asking the public if you should sell your bike. Try going to test a s1000 and decide on your own.
@@josephsherman4913 Apparently you haven't ridden a Panigale in the Florida summer when it's 98 degrees outside...
@@8kilosunderyep877 That's exactly why I have been holding on to this amazing machine. It isn't the most comfortable bike, but it's power and beauty makes up for it. Cheers!
@motonosity has stated that there is now a flash for the s1000rr feom Brentuning in Texas
I have watch both of your reviews for this Yamaha R1M and BMW S1000 RR. Knowing both monsters have the same displacement (probably power as well) and outstanding features. Which of these two could be slightly better for long rides and, if possible, everyday ride? I am on the verge of upgrade, I want the Yamaha R1 but my wife likes the BMW S1000 RR for me instead.
Try a 2020 zx10r before you try a s1000rr or r1 my 2020 zx10r is the best bike I've ever had or rode and if you want long rides forget a r1 200 mile ride you will be not getting out of bed the next day most uncomfortable bike I've ever rode
The 25 lb weight reduction probably contributes to about .75 of a second on the goal of 1 second per lap track time reduction.
Weight is so underrated in my opinion when developing cars and motorcycles. Weight savings helps with braking, acceleration and handling exponentially.
There is already 2 ecu flash services that I know of for the new bike.
It's not even 2020 yet
The Us model throttle got heavily restricted the ride by wire only gives you 40% throttle from 1,000-8,000rpms after that it gives you full power. I think they did this for euro4 emissions idk.
Taijean Moodie I dont blame BMW for doing that considering how theres no restrictions on CCs or HP in their license, a guy with a learner’s permit can ride this bike “legally”. The torque is gonna throw beginners off
@@Zedexization i know what you mean a 600cc supersport is actually safer than a fz09 or fz07 its the torque thats dangerous not the hp and this 1000cc bmw has BOTH
Thanks Obama
Just going to say no.to this one. Powerband flatspots, engine vibrations, OK brakes and suspension for %23,000 does not sound like a great deal to me. Way too many good bikes out there for less $$$$.
Neither our bikes nor our cars give 100% in the US. Your streets, your tracks, your fuel e.g. are not suitable for top notch performance. We give you like 80% of everything, and that is ok.
RS4V 1100 factory, Panigale V4, S1000RR ... all with U.S. detunes.
Same is true with your beer ;)
Please review BMW M 1000 rr
from Shark Gen to Dolphin Generation... what's next Whale gen??
When I rode my brothers 2020 I was shocked. 2nd and 3rd down low feels like you’re riding a 400. 4th gear 4-8 pulls harder than 2nd or 3rd at the same revs. My 2016 smokes it no problem it’s actually embarrassing
shit
BMW PUT A DUMB ASS FLAT SPOT UP TO 8000 RPMS THAT SUCKS BIG TIME. YOU'LL HAVE TO SPEND 700.00 TO FIX IT.
WITH THE M PACKAGE ADD $4000.00 YOU CAN'T CHANGE SETTING WHILE DRIVING , YOU'LL NEED TO STOP COMPLETELY .
1800.00 FOR A COMPLETE EXHAUST.
YOU'LL SPEND 22,500.00 BEFORE TAXES. WHY DOEAN'T OTHER BIKES HAVE THE FLAT SPOT FOR THE US MARKET ?
6:43 did he get a little tank Slater !?!?
Sure did!
Blame CARB tuning, it's even more restrictive than Euro 4, and for logistical reasons all new U.S. bikes are CARB certified.. Reviewing any modern liter bike in stock U.S. config is almost pointless because it's so chocked up and no one that buys one is going to leave it stock anyway.
Hate to get political but man that sucks there's a flat spot down low so the bike can meet regulations.
6:42 bump.. got boph of em.
Seat is too hard, they need a better more comfy seat. Keep this bike BMW!
How are these "Government Regulations" not affecting the Ducatis, Yamahas, Suzukis, and Hondas?
Complete BS excuse for a terribly tuned 1st generation bike that was rushed through production w/out quality assurance and out to the dealerships.
RSV-4 a casual biker has to google what these other models are .. I guess it's an Aprilia ..
I'd stick with good ole reliable Yamaha R-1
This guy info is incorrect in all the prices he mentioned ie. Race pro modes or full price. That tells me he just talk without being 100%sure the info is correct. Who cares about a review like that?
6 :43 disaster!
So when my gf question me about spending extra $2500 for full exhaust and tune I will show her this review, thanks bro 😂
Damn...a GF acting like a wife already? Sounds like u need a new GF
Bikes and pussy is hard to replace when you like em both! 😆
It's very odd that the EPA regs strangle the bike but your President doesn't believe climate change is a thing.
At the beautiful Barber Motorsports track
Dude thats barber my home track!!! And i know nate
Hey guys that bike is BMW S 1000RR M? Or just S1000RR? God bless you😊
이규한 it’s the M. The way you can tell is because the color.
from a strictly visual point of view - the new BMW s1000rr does not stand out at all. its just ...eh ... as far as design goes .
I just find it odd that most of the points you make about handling, braking etc haven’t been made on any other review I’ve read or watched. And you’re not paying thousands for a mode - you’re paying for the M Sport which has that mode included; you conveniently forgot to mention the carbon wheels, lithium battery, paint scheme etc.
I appreciate everyone is entitled to their opinion, but as an owner I think you’re forgetting that most of these will be ridden on the road and tbh it’s fucking amazing. 🤷🏻♂️
Yea he is a hater
i dont like symmetry
Shortening the exhaust could save another 5lbs.
Ive not ridden this bike the dealer sold the first one they got right away. The 1100 Factory on the other hand was freshhhhh off the truck when i rolled up. I was literally the first to ride it sans the tech to make sure it was sound. Let me say i was blown away and this is coming from just riding there in my 18 RF! There is a freeway turn i cant get past 150 on my RF at full throttle or the front end comes up and i hate that! The 1100 did that shit pinned at 170!!! Ran out of corner. Needless to say its a far better bike than my RF. Its brakes are better, the positioning is better, the power is ughhhh. And ive done upgrades to mine such as the RaceECU+MotoGP SC Project pipe, ceramic bearings and some carbon fiber to lighten the load but its NOOTHING. I want it. Haha
Incredible how shallow and inaccurate this review is
For me the old s1000rr looked better was so mean evil original looking
An ecm flash should be available before long so that doesn't trouble me, but what's gonna fix the bike's looks? This bike is hideous.
This is where everyone starts to argue if this bikes ugly then wtf did the last s1000 front end look like. It's all opinions but I love the new looks.
Save your money or keep your previous version BMW ain’t worth it if you already have a s1000
The chassis seemed to fall apart when pushed. Kind of a letdown from the previous generation which was supposed to be the bike to get for many years.
LOOK at that Cat box! It's as big as the bike ffs.lol
Sucks that we have to shell out a decent penny for an exhaust and ecu flash coz of these restrictions
Aprilia Aprilia Aprilia
finally the ugly headlight cluster is gone
just find that its not fierce enough
Wow, some disappointing stuff there.
BAYERN POWER ;-) Best Regards