About the Gothic language
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- What do we think about when we hear the word "Gothic"? Most definitely we immediately think about a subculture or an architecture style. But the word has much deeper roots and another very different meaning. The Goths were a Germanic tribe who once dominated half of Europe. They had their language and their own writing system, both are now long forgotten. But who knows, maybe if history played out differently we would all be speaking Gothic now?
Check out this poem in Gothic written by Tolkien here:
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Like the Vandals, they disappeared, but we still have vandalism.
I think I'm correct in saying that in Spanish "godos" ("Goths") is used for people who destroy things for fun, just as we use "vandals" in English. Can anybody with better Spanish than mine confirm or refute?
@@edwardkeats5537 I'm from Spain and I had never heard of it. Some people call the inhabitants of the Spanish peninsula "godos".
In Spanish we refer to those who commit acts of vandalism as "vándalos". 👍🏻
@@karls.5921 "godos" originally meant in castillian arictocrats, nobles, since almost all Spanish nobility is of Visigothic origin, if you go back far enough in history.
@@ekesandras1481yes, since they ruled Hispania at the time of the Regnum Visigothorum.
But I have heard the word "godo/s" referring in a negative way to the inhabitants of the Spanish peninsula.
The Italian last name Gotti ( as in the mobster John Gotti)…is plural for Goth…..I guess JG had some mean Goth blood in his veins 😅
In English we have “loaf” which is a cousin of Gothic “hlefs”, so we have a word that is closer to “хлеб” than most people realize.
Yes, in Old English it was spelled 'hlaf.'
But loaf designates a quantity of bread. Not bread itself.
@@alexlarsen6413 It does now, yes. Semantic drift.
German has a word called 'Leib' also s definition of Quantity (A big complete bread) but it could also be used for body.
@@stelleratorsuprise8185 True. That actually sounds more directly connected to this day.
A legacy of the Goth presence in Spain is that some common Spanish names have Goth origins, including 'Gomez' 'Alfonso' Gonzalo' and 'Rodrigo'
And it goes all the way to South America 👈
Rodrigo from a good Germanic name - Roderick.
Don't forget Guzmán, a family name. It does not take a linguist to figure out it is related to Goodman and Gutmann.
And Americo which came from Gothic Amalric, land of heaven cognate to Himmelreich, and became the name of two continents.
@@neilreynolds3858 Thank you so much for sharing this information. I had no idea. Here’s what this site I like to use called Behind the Name has to say about the names:
Amerigo. Medieval Italian form of Emmerich. Amerigo Vespucci (1451-1512) was the Italian explorer who gave the continent of America its name (from Americus, the Latin form of his name).
Emmerich. Germanic name, in which the second element is rih "ruler, king". The first element may be irmin "whole, great" (making it a relative of Ermenrich), amal "unceasing, vigorous, brave" (making it a relative of Amalric) or heim "home" (making it a relative of Henry). It is likely that several forms merged into a single name.
PhD student in early Germanic here. As soon as me and my supervisor started teaching the intro class to Gothic at the university, a couple of students in the class were looking at us with rather puzzled faces. At one point, one of them raised his hand and asked me with a straight face "Is this class NOT about Frankenstein by Mary Shelley?". This story makes me chuckle every time.
Btw, great video!
That's hilarious. Did they stick with the class?
@@Glossologia noped, never showed their faces again after the first lesson 😁
In Spanish there are lots of last names ended in "ez" which is Visigoth for "Son of" (e.g., "Sanchez"= son of Sancho)
Wow! I didn't know that!
@@loreman7267 My second surname is "Pérez", which means "Hijo de Pedro", in Spanish, or "Son of Peter", in English 😃
And in portuguese is "es"
"Fernandes" = son of Fernando.
@@marcoantoniogarcia702so Reyes is 'son of the king?
Makes sense, may be related to Hunnic “-ich/-ach “ ending which became Slavic “-ich/ik/ak” although those stem from a suffix meaning “man”, not “son”. The Hunnic “ son” ending was probably “ ow/oba/ap” or “ ka”, both still common in Slavic.
The Goths never really disappeared, most just either assimilated into the local culture or mixed with them to the point where they lost their identities as distinct people. They were only a single digit percentage of Iberia & Italia, so naturally they'd be slowly absorbed into the general population. You could see the same thing happen to the Norse in Northumbria, Ireland, Normandy, & the Kievan Rus centuries later.
That's the point. People don't disappear but cultures do
@@bouzoukiman5000 People disappear all the time, what are you talking about?
Visigoths in Catalonia and Lombards in Italy (who were Germans arriving in the later Middle Ages) did as much to change their neighbouring districts and regions as they were acted upon. By the time of the Black Death, Southern Europe was pretty Gothicised, both in culture and language.
@@bouzoukiman5000 Languages disappear, I'm not sure cultures do... they mingle, they merge, they evolve in many ways.
it's a western mindset that people don't disappear over time because they're programmed to replace themselves and cognitive dissonance prevents them from reaching this conclusion
Loved the twist at the end.
An interesting detail from the Europa Universalis 4 computer game (which covers the 1444-1821 period), there's one province in Crimea that has Gothic culture. Some players love starting the game as that one province and conquering the Holy Roman Empire from there to re-establish the Goths.
The lost germanic languages are pretty fascinating.
I find all of the Germanic languages fascinating, and I love them as family. I focus primarily on the living but vulnerable ones, though, like the wonderful Elfdalian with its Ws like English, in the hope that they won’t become lost.
@@autumnphillips151 I am a Swede. I once took a bus trip to Älvdalen, and, when we arrived, listened to two old ladies speaking Elfdalian. I am a dual native speaker of Swddish and English, and the nearest way I can explain the experience to someone who is a monoligunally English speaker is like this:
Imagine that you step out a bus from London to some small village in Northumberland, and to your amazement, people around you are speaking English as it sounded prior to the Norman conquest.
@@autumnphillips151 I understand at least 4 of them :)
Gepidic language 😔
@@Falkenberg1938 Weren’t gepids speaking gothic and vandalic?
It is crazy that Gothic is the oldest written Old German language considering that the Graeco-Roman world was in contact with the Germanic tribes in the 2nd century B.C. I just wonder what has been lost from literature since the fall of the Roman Empire.
Sadly, most Germanic contact with the Romans was in a warlike or slaving manner- which is why the Goths ended up sacking rome.
@@antonioreconquistador yes but they did also hav many friendly times as mercenaries and studied thier kulture (later writin about it) they very possibly had previusly wrote about the germanik languege in texts now lost
@@antonioreconquistador Not quite, the Goths sacking Rome was actually part of a larger joint effort with Theodosius and was supported by the Byzantines. The Gothic states afterwards actually had a lot of cooperation between Goths and Romans to the point where it's hard to tell them apart in Hispania and in Italy, local Romans supported the Ostrogoths against Byzantium when Justinian invaded. Even before that, most Romans in the West would've considered Theodoric as the closest thing to a Western Roman Emperor.
Loved your explanation of modern "goths" at the end of the video. I laughed out loud.
Me too 🤣🤣🤣
Humbling to think the end of the Roman Empire ultimately came because they wouldn't stop critiquing the amateur fiction of their neighbors.
@@rna151 The end of the Roman Empire came from the Ottomans in the 15th century.
@@indrast5203 No, that doesn't sound right at all. Have you somehow forgotten King Alaric's stern reprimand to Emperor Honorius to "Stop flaming his stories" and the terrible consequences that came about when the patrician class failed to heed them?
@@rna151 I have not
I was half-expecting you to be wearing a goth outfit in the thumbnail lol. The explanation of how we got modern goths from the ancient ones was actually super interesting. I really enjoy the historical component of these videos in general. It's fascinating to get not just an overview of the language, but also the culture surrounding it.
She definitely has a Goth look about her.
The study of Gothic language is very important because not just because it's an extinct East Germanic language, it is not the only one! Along them was Vandalic and (ancient) Burgundian, and both of those peoples had a minor, but still relevant impact towards European late antiquity and early middle ages. Sadly, not much trace was left by them, unlike Goths.
Very cool video
Vandalic has one attested fragment! it reads "eils, scapia matzia ia drincan!", translating as "hi! lets eat and drink!", it reads like a fucked up dialect of gothic, i love it
Vandals truly were an interesting peoples. Sadly their history as a settled kingdom was very short lived thanks to Justinian the Great.
There is a big Vandal cemetery in east Algeria, with lot of scripts
One somewhat significant legacy the vandals left behind was the Arabic name for the Iberian peninsula, 'Al-Andalus'
@@otho69AD Vandal in Arabic = Wendal, vandalusia became wendalus and later endalus or Andalus in Arabic
I've started studying Gothic casually, I started with thinking that since we only have a limited amount of Gothic that it means that there's not as much to learn. I've realised that's completely offset by the whole declension and conjugation system. Good thing is that since it is dead with no native speakers, I can take my time in reading and writing in it. I've tried to translate 'Asterix: and the goths' and I'm currently reading Alice in Wonderland in Gothic. I hope to incorparate it into a story of mine about 3 Gothic princes in exile from Visigothic spain.
Even so as difficult as it can be it has granted me better of other languages like German (which I'd actually like to be near fluent in), latin, and even English.
I've heard of this translation "Balþos Gadedeis Aþalhaidais in Sildaleikalanda" before, but I haven't read it myself, I wonder how good of a job the translators did, did they make mistakes or is it just like biblical gothic?
@@raginahardus I'm still an amateur so I can't judge the translation itself but I will say that it's obvious they made a real effort.
Something I appreciated was that they played with the font and reverted to gothic script at times despite being in latinised gothic language for emphasis and character speech. It isn't just the words of alice in wonderland copy and pasted line by line but they've played with it to suit the theme of the book, so for example on one page the text is in the shape a winding tornado and goes from big to small size to the bottom of the page. It is also illustrated.
@@tobiasglendenning7966 oh, that's nice
Years ago I found a book in the library about "barbarians," the Visigoths and Ostrogoths were among them. It never really occurred to me until a few years ago that my family might come (in part) from those groups (via the peoples they moved through and intermingled with).
Very interesting video.
It sure was nice to see the timeline on how the Goths were linked to the subculture Gothic now.
Absolutely something good to learn and to explore further.
Yeah, well, maybe just put a little more emphasis on the fact that it's all based on an objectively wrong view of the Middle Ages that was propagated for ideological reasons from the 19th century ff.
"Everything will eventually turn into ashes and darkness and death. Thank you so much for watching."
LOL, 10/10
Great video1
I am currently in a Slavic speaking country, and just yesterday I learnt that bread is called leb (леб) here. I thought that sounds weirdly Germanic. And the very next day your video explains it to me. Paldies!
Macedonia?
@@Transilvanian90 Yes.
90 should be the sound for ‘ch’, like in Slavic
We have the word Leib in German, which means loaf. It can refer to bread but can also mean body
@@Superrichy261985 Actually, that’s wrong.
There is German ‘Laib’ [laɪ̯p] meaning loaf, which is also the topic of the video (the word is found only in Germanic and Slavic). On the other hand, the homophone ‘Leib’ means body, and it’s related to English ‘life’ but less obviously also to ‘leave’ and likely even to ‘lipid’ (via Greek).
As a goth-industrial guy myself, I greatly appreciate your short, comical, but historically accurate, Goth music/Goth literature/Gothic architecture segment.
As a linguistics guy, thank you - I know we have such limited material to work with when it comes to the Gothic language, but every content creator who examines it gives a slightly different angle to help complete what we can of the picture of its history.
It's so interesting how I could understand almost all the vocabulary thanks to speaking Swedish and German ! I guess it would still be very, very hard to follow a conversation though ^^ Also you surpassed yourself in this video with the oh-so-quick yet oh-so-good summary of the Goth subculture !
What word does gothic falfalth correspond to in modern german or swedish?
@@hschan5976 "Closing" is close to "folding" in meaning. "Folding" is "Faltung" in modern German. Through German mathematicians, that term has gotten a few very specific meanings in higher mathematics. It is now used in - at least - English and Swedish texts on higher mathematics, without translation or spelling changes. I think that "falfath" and "faltung" are similar.
I disagree. Gathic was not the first Germanic written language! Germanic runes were also used as a writing system. It's a matter of definition, but I think it's clear that runes are a writing system for the following reasons:
Runes were used to write language. They were used to write words, sentences, and even whole texts.
Runes have a fixed alphabet with established sound values. This means that they are a complete and consistent writing system.
Runes were used over a long period of several centuries. This means that they are an established writing system.
Therefore, Gothic is not the oldest Germanic writing system.
The Gothic language also influenced Spanish (Castillian) with loanwords. Although not that many because the cultural assimilation worked in the other direction, and the Goths spoke the vulgar latin version present in Spain, while Gothic remained a church language. Last use of Gothic was in the 8th century, some time after the beggining of the Reconquista which btw was jumpstarted by a hispanogoth noble, Pelayo, in conjunction with another hispanogoth, Pedro the Dux of Cantabria.
The goths also had influence of Spanish in grammar and syntax in a form of calque borrowings. They changed some definitive articles of Latin to be more Germanic, this is probably due to the goths having their own dialect of Latin.
Other influences with Spanish is that they contributed a lot of gothic names into Spanish ones.
The Visigoth did also create the infamous limpieza de sangre wich is institutionalized racism as we today know it.
They also created antisemitism in Spain against the sephardic jews who have been living there dor centuries before the arrival of the racists brutes of the visigoths.
Later was this beutal legacy exoorted to the americas were it still is alive and well in latin america today.
Im a native spanish speaker and ive studied german aswell as english, and i can definnitely tell you that spanish grammar is very much germanic. The way i describe german to people around me is as "English but with spanish grammar"; also ive seen the biggest differences beetwen spanish and latin are in those areas in wich spanish is simmilar to german, picture the vocabulary being the same (in spanish we have more arcaic words than in for example italian) but with wildly different grammar
@@leonake4194 as a student of spanish and german, i've had the same observations as you
0:43 My favourite barbarians 😊
The Gepids (Latin: Gepidae, Gipedae, Ancient Greek: Γήπαιδες) were an East Germanic tribe who lived in the area of modern Romania, Hungary and Serbia, roughly between the Tisza, Sava and Carpathian Mountains. They were said to share the religion and language of the Goths and Vandals.
Fascinating, and the rapid-fire 'how we got modern goths' at the end was hilarious.
E X C E L L E N T - I loved everything about this video, even how Gothic influences were passed down to modern subculture. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust... ❤
I also remember that Spanish names/first names are of Gothic origins. Any name with "ez" and similar spellings are of Gothic descent; Martinez, Gutierrez, Rodriguez, etc..
Ez- is a calque borrowing of proto Germanic jaz into Latin -icus which eventually formed into ez. A Germanic naming tradition that was done by the Visigoths. However not all gothic names in Spanish last names ends in ez as you got ones like Alfonso or Guerra.
@@CarvedStones Germanic jaz/az are similar to latin icus/ica, as well as spanish ez/es, but i'm pretty sure it's a contraction of "niñez de" or "hijez de", denoting just about the same thing.
@@antonioreconquistador Right, either way it’s definitely something the goths popularized.
Excellent video. I am fascinated by the fact that a Gothic descendant was spoken not only in Crimea, but until 200 years ago. We are so close in time to hear native Gothic speakers, but never will. (Unless someone recorded it on paper, like it was done already in the 1800s, but this is very unlikely.)
not so fun fact but that crimean east germanic language is not actually a descendent of Gothic
Thanks for repeating the Belgian in Crimea story vis a vis Gothic. I'd heard it before, but couldn't remember where.
Even in czech or russian language - chleb(a) means bread, and there are much more examples. I recommend to read : Weltbilderschuetterung, from Erhard Landmann...but its only in german...
This is my new favorite channel. I spent all night watching her videos.
The ending was hilarious, another brilliant video, thanks Julie!
I was just wondering when we'd get a new video. Fascinating learning about the Gothic language
Of all the youtube language channels you might be the first one to do one on Gothic. Kudos!!!
Great explanation on the Gothic era and the brief but highly informative Gothic fashion/lifestyle was perfect too!
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I'm from Poland and I like Goths very much. Goths and Vandals lived in (future) Poland. Our rulers were named rulers of Goths and Vandals. Founder of Poland, duke Mieszko was named by some German chronicler "a ruler of Vandals". His son, king Bolesław the Brave was named on his toomstone"a king of Goths".
Some Slavic historians are of the opinion that the Germans stole the name Goths from the Slavs. Especially because the Greeks called the Dacians, to whom the Romans gave that name, Getim, and Jovan Zonara wrote that the people they call Dacians and Geti call themselves Serbs. Even today, a Serb in central Serbia who lives in the countryside is called Gedža. Some of our historians (Aleksandar Mitić), on the basis of the Vandal dictionary, claims that the Vandals are a Slavic and not a German tribe. The same historian claims that the Germans faked the Silver Bible because that way of writing was technically possible only in the 16th and 17th centuries. There is no way Bishop Ulfila could have written that Bible in the 4th, 5th century with silver ink. As if someone were to claim that King Boleslav worked on a computer, it is impossible.
@@user-qb4kk3lo2r Exactly, this is the truth!
Boleslaw is a very "german" name😅
@@ds-on4sm He was named king of Goths because he was the king of the country where Goths had lived/lived, not because he was Goth.
@@plrc4593 Yes but why a king with a slavic name and obviously slavic origin, would rule over "germanic" tribes? The Goths were mighty people, they would never allow that unless they were of the same origin themselves.
To my experience the descendants of Goths are Eastern Europeans (Mainly people, who also lived in Kievan Rus) and East Germans and the Germans, that lived in the Baltics, just by the results I saw from several people, including me. It´s interesting that it starts with the Scythians, ending up with the Sarmatian invasions and then going to the Ostrogothic invasions, from there things get more spread out.
Also the name of the Dacian capital was called Sarmizegetusa.
Sarmatians and Geats, the latter probably a corruption of the name Goths.
@@gabork5055 No, the Getae and Goths have nothing in common.
Once again a fantastic video starting with history, and leaving me feeling more educated and informed.😊
I love how you explain everything and ending on a gothic note. Wonderful!
I gain more knowledge, wisdom and understanding every time I check you out. Thanks again and Be well.
Excellent video Julie! Very informative and interesting. Bravo!
Flavius Odoacer's ethnicity is not certain; he might have been a prince of the Heruli, but probably, as was typical in the Roman Empire, he had multiple origins. What is known is that he was a Roman general of Germanic origin who deposed the last emperor with the approval of the Roman Senate. He also antagonized the Eastern Roman Empire when he attacked in support of another general who wanted to become emperor. Above all, Odoacer proclaimed himself Augustus.
The swedish say Gotland the island is named after gothic tribes. It is even believed that all gothic tribes came once from there.
I mean all Germanic people originally came from Scandanavia sooo
There are similar names in mainland Sweden: the Götaland region and the provinces Västergötland and Östergötland.
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Also the Island of Bornholm in denmark comes from Old Norse: "Burgundaholmr" sometimes also referred to "Burgundaland"
In Italian the name Gotti is pleural for Goths…..John Gotti’s name could be loosely translated as ‘John of the Goths’….. I guess you can consider him the last of the Gothic marauders !
My understanding is that the evidence for this is pretty sketchy, and it's mostly down to the Swedish monarchy co-opting 19th century pan-German nationalist mythology and wanting to claim the cred of being related to the people who brought Rome to its knees.
Another brilliant video. I didn't know whether to laugh or be afraid by your parting words, but I'll pick laughing, even if nervously.😅
Excellent presentation. Thanks.
Thank you so much.
Beautiful presentation.❤❤❤❤
Highly ironic in the goths vs. goths theme is how many aesthetic cues modern goths take from the Venetian renaissance.
Wonderful! Gothic is super interesting, especially to me as a Germanic language speaker :P
To add, about gothic subcultur, its based on post-punk culture.
Thank you for an informative analysis - your humour at the end was a nice touch.
If I were the BBC I would give an own show. You videos are so interesting, informative, brilliant and professionals. I love them and I hope you will carry on with them. Very, very, very good.
The Goths of Ukraine are Chernyakov cultur, very interesting video thank you for speak about this topic ^^
As always thank you Julie.
Another fascinating language, and Julie also reminded me how fascinating I found the Goth chicks back in the 80s.
Hi from Cologne, Germany! The city with the most gothic cathedral on the planet 🤘 We call it "Kölner Dom".
How do you determine "most gothic"? Notre Dame and the ones in Salisbury and Seville are pretty darned gothic.
@@brucetucker4847 firstly it's got peaks on its two towers and secondly it's the only interesting thing here in Cologne.😅 Also the original Goths were running around here hundreds of years ago ⚔️
Have you never seen the Ulmer Münster?-It’s bell tower is higher than the Dom’s one. And it’s also Gothic in architecture.
Mein Gáut. The All-Father must have sent you. I am currently learning Gothic and praying to Wōdans for guidance. This must be a sign! I hope to see the day where the old gods are remembered and brought back into relevancy
Háil Allfadar! Gáuts þis gáizis, Gutanē fruma!
Who is gonna tell this nigga the Goths were the first Germanics to become Christian lmao?
Imo i prefer Goths as Christians.
@@Falkenberg1938 there can be a balance of both
you have a real insight to language culture and history that demystifies generic history knowledge really enjoyed your video
that ending was awesome great video!
girl, you are a great showgirl. I love your videos. educational and inspirational they are.
Keep being awesome! Your and Sakhile Dube's videos pushed me to learn not just the Zulu language, but about their culture and now I've moved onto Russian. Please keep making videos, you help a lot!
The LangFocus channel is also really really helpful for learning about the features of various languages. He goes into nice detail.
@@BooksRebound thanks 🙏
Perfect timing, I was just looking for a video on Gothic x)
Wow I learned a whole lot. This video is awesome. Thanks!
Very interesting. Did not know that about the gothic tongue. Juli, tell us about the Abenaki tongue. It is almost extinct, only one person teaches it, and just like a bit more than 3000 people speak it.
Can we say that the nowaday Kingdom of Spain is a direct descendent of the Visigothic Kingdom (Since the founder of the Kingdom of Asturias was a visigoth noble)?
Basically, as it was the Spanish kings of Asturias, Leon, and Castile that boasted their gothic lineage and rightful ownership of land from the invading Muslims. Kings such as Alfonso II, III, Ferdinand the emperor, Alfonso X of Castile, and Ferdinand III of Castile just to name a few. The Spanish monarchy also recognizes in their constitution as the successor to the visigothic kingdom and the reconquista Christian kingdoms.
Love your ending.
Exquisite video, Thank you!!
I love how she casually adds in the sacking of Rome a couple of times like it was no big deal lmao
The Visigoths were rather polite sackers compared to the Vandals.
@@brucetucker4847
And the Ostrogoths?
In south Slavic languages, especially in Slovenian language and in Kaikavian (kajkavski) in Croatia there is word hiža (= house), probably from Gothic (also word found in Bosna in spoken language) . There is a lot of old words borrowed from Gothic in Slavic, as word knez and kneginja.
Great channel, great work. Thank you!
Honestly most beautiful and awe-striking European language.
Thanks for posting this. I've often heard the Goths and their language mentioned in passing, but not as a main topic before. Another ancient language that gets similar treatment is Etruscan. I'd like to see a video about that.
@@Drabkikker Thank you, I shall look for that!
Mi favorite channel, I could watch it for hours 😍
Very interesting and a very well-done presentation.
The Suevi also the first European Christian Catholic kingdom left their marks in Portugal.
Even now Portuguese, one of the most influencial languages in the world, have some Germanic roots and their marks can be seen in the north of Portugal.
Very interesting video, thank you JuLingo
Macromani is also another Germanic tribe that helped in the formation of Portual.
@@LastBrigadier Thanks for the information, I'll search more about it
Another amazing video, Julie! Learning about old and extinct languages is fascinating
So happy to see you're back ☺️
You do a wonderful job with your very informative videos. Thank you for sharing your hard work, research, development and presentation talents and skills with us. You are also very easy on the eyes and ears.
I would love to hear what your history of the English language would be.
A visigothic noble, Pleagius established the Kingdom of Asturias after the muslim invasion in the uncoquered cantabric, that you didn't show on the map. So the Kingdom of Asturias was ruled by gothics for some time after the fall of Ostrogrothic and Visiogothic Kingdoms.
It's an entire language? I thought it was just a phase.
😂😂😂😂
Your work is amazing and you are amazing
Great and informative Video 👍
Since he was famously a very well studied linguist, I can definitely believe Tolkien created that poem.
Thank you so much for your excellent video!I I am greek,living now many years in Spain,i think that in spain you can find traces of the goths, from the behavior of some of the spanish people from today. if you are in Andalusia for example, you notice the arab influence, especially in the behavior and music and dance of the andalusians.However, if you are in Madrid and arround, you will notice the behavior of more Germanic cultures in a large part of the Madrilenians, you quickly see parallels to the Germans and Swedes, they are more serious and in everything more precise than the Andalusians and also than the Basques and Celts the north of Spain, and these are just a few features that i can describe in a few words.
Excellent! That was highly interesting, I feel educated in the best sense.
Great like many of your videos and this time thunb up for the dramatic music at the end.
Wiki indicates that the Gota tribe was originally from an area in south Sweden called Gotaland (also Geatland, Gothia, Gothland, Gothenland and Gautland). The word comes from 'Geat', which was a tribe 'The Geats' (who would eventually follow the Goths to Thrace). The word 'Geat' probably means "Those who live near the river Gaut" (modern Gota alv).
In Swedish we simply call them 'got' or 'göte/göta' (Plur. 'goter' or 'götar'), we even have counties named after them like 'Västergötland' (Westrogothia) 'Östergötland' (Ostrogothia) and our largest island 'Gotland' (Gutland/gothland?). And of course our second largest city 'Göteborg' (Gothenburg).
Yeah, who later left the area on mass migrating into eastern Europe and then into southern Europe. So the descendants of said goths are the ancestors of Italians and Spanish people. Those who stayed in Scandinavia became the ancestors of the Swedes.
@@Alejojojo6 I wonder why they left 'on mass'? Where they forced out by other tribes, or where they searching for 'greener pastures'?
I deeply appreciate the abridged history of gothic fashion and the ending.
Very Interesting! Thanks.
the Spanish and late Latin "tregua" (truce) is a word of gothic origin
queso ... is gothic (compare German "Käse")
guerra ... is gothic (from: werra)
ropa ... is gothic (like German "Robe" for fancy dress)
blanco ... is gothic (the Latin word is "albus/alba/album")
jabón ... is gothic (Romanian: sapun, English: soap, German: Seife)
fresco ... is gothic (like German: frisch or English: fresh)
sacar ... is gothic (like German: Sack = bag, or English: to sack)
@@ekesandras1481 sack can also mean bag in english
but that spanish word might not be from sack
@@ekesandras1481 queso and Käse come from cāseus, the original name for cheese in germanic languages was justaz
werra is from frankish
for the other ones it's hard to say for certain whether they were from gothic or another germanic language
Even to this day, the Germanic languages lack future tenses. Using "will" is actually a mood, not a tense.
In german we have a "real" future not formed with the equivalent of "will".
@@robabnawaz "Werden" ist allerdings auch ein Hilfsverb, das den Infinitiv zum Futur macht. Wir haben keine synthetischen Formen wie im Lateinischen oder romanischen Sprachen.
@@robabnawaz No, it doesn't. „Werden” simply displaced „wollen” and „sollen„. German no more has a future tense than its sibling languages like Dutch, English, Danish, Norwegian, &c.
@@christianspanfellner3293 It's not just that, but the degree to which the "present" tense gets used in all Germanic language to talk about future events. While other languages can do the same in more limited circumstances, they do it to nowhere near the degree. That's also why the particular auxiliary used in the various languages is a modal auxiliary.
12:40 "Everything will eventually turn into ashes, darkness and death."
"Tradition is not worship of ashes, it's preservation of fire." - G Mahler
Excellent video, by the way 😊
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Gepid Kingdom 454-567 😢😢😢
Your "Goth" closing lines made me chuckle :-)
Thank you for this video !
The Gothic script is the most beautiful script ever , in my opinion
AGREED.
When you say "Spain", you actually mean Iberia, right? Considering that the Visigoths were also in Portugal and Portugal is West of Spain.
at the time there was no portugal
It was called Hispania at the time.
@@stiofanmacamhalghaidhau765 There was no country called Spain either, which naturally excludes Portugal. There was Hispania or Iberia or the Iberia Peninsula, not "Spain".
@@canchero724 Although the name "Spain" comes from Hispania, they are not the same and people should know this by now. Spain is merely the union of the kingdoms of Castille and Aragon in 1479, before that there was never a country or independent nation called "Spain".
Spain = Iberian Peninsula without Portugal
Hispania or Iberia = the whole Iberian Peninsula
@@Sergiovision The Visigoths started calling hispania “spania or spanie” which in turn evolved into Spain. Spain in essence was born out of Reccered’s conversion to Catholicism in hopes of uniting the goths and Hispano-Romans into one cultural and religious identity. This worked because by the 7th and 8th century, they basically assimilated as there’s no records of denoting goth or Roman. Isidore of Seville and John of Bilarco puts this pretty well. This is why the reconquista kingdoms espeically that of Asturias, Leon, and Castile banked their cultural identity off. The Spanish monarchy and constitution also recognizes the Visigoths as the forerunners of theirs. Without the visigothic kingdom, there would’ve been no Spain or Portugal.
So well done, Julie....❤
Superb video. You did a great job following the strand of the modern goth ethos as a cultural vibe.
Excellent video about the language of a people who decided the future of Europe. Apparently when they arrived in Spain they had abandoned their ancestral language for Vulgar Latin.
Yep, because they were semi-romanized and didn’t really bother to speak the gothic tongue to natives since they already spoke Latin, however they made a profound impact on Spanish and Portuguese names as there’s a bunch of gothic names that are typical nowadays.
This declension table reminded me of Polish a little bit, except for they had only five cases while we made it even farther with seven 🤭
The East Germanic languages once occupied the territory of modern Poland and no doubt had a history of contact with the early Slavic and Baltic people. This is probably why they retained the more complex grammar. Where outsiders contact a more numerous or advanced people speaking a similar language (another Indo-European family, for example) the grammar is usually the biggest divergence and is often simplified to ease communication. English is a good example, being a Low German language massively influenced by Romance French and North Germanic Danish. There is hardly any case or declension left.
Very dark, very nice vid, as per usual. TY Julie.