@@FrankFernandez-wi4sq After 2011 when Dirk bodied everyone in playoffs. 2011 Mavs had great vets with no pride egos in the way. 2012 and down it got watered down
I miss the 80s and 90s NBA!! I grew up watching players like Shaq and Zo go at it everytime they saw each other!! I play as a big man......and you're fair game against me!!
@@TonyCarter-y7h Caps? Definitely a Monistat cat. You must be from this menstruation manifestation trophy participation load management generation. #VasectomyValor
Todays NBA is UNWATCHABLE. It's absolutely APPALLING how low grade it is. No defence, no rules, no positions, no competition, guys jacking up 3's all the time. THIS IS NOT BASKETBALL.
I agree with Zo & Shaq. I miss when the big men of the league would kill down low in the post or from midrange. Also, the rivalries definitely made the game more exciting back then and I grew up in the 2000s.
@@Jay.isaiah yea I told someone he shouldn't be shooting 3s like that, he shoots almost as many 3s as he does 2s and the fanboy lost it lol wemby is 12ft tall get your ass in the paint and use your footwork and height to your advantage
*We cant blame the Soft state of basketball on players the NBA, the Comissioner and Executives are responsible for changing the rules not the players* creating the *Freedom of Movement era* of basketball. *Giannis the Greek Freak is the ONLY Big man in the league that matches the physicality & insensitivity of the 80s and 90s* Furthermore, GA is the only player to bring in a impactful presence to the NBA since LJ after that it's was Wemby. The game has evolved and players like Wemby & Joker, Embid excell in the Free flow era. *The only time you see real physical basketball is in the playoffs*
Shaq and Zo were like two elephants pushing on each other. Shaq the stronger one and Zo a little quicker. Watching the live games on TNT and NBC as a kid was great!
They'll blame the players but not the league itself. The Suits and Ties are calling the shots, they are the ones who create the rules and hire the refs.
Yea. This is true. Lots of things changed too though. The players used to be dudes coming out of bad situations. A lot of the guys getting drafted now are coming from white collar families. It's just a different generation. THe league had heart back in the day. It's lost all of that
Both ar to blame and the version of Giannis you are seeing his year shows you that the players hands are jus as dirty as the exec`s. His 3 point attempts are under 1 per night while he`s leading the league in scoring and getting to the line almost 12 times per night. From a players perspective, that takes a whole hell of a lot more effort than just hunting step-backs.
I think there's no rivalries cause is a much more competitive league, so teams dont look for their rivalry, before lakers and spurs were the west champions 11 out of 12 years between 1999 and 2010 and that was a big rivalry, lebron's teams heat vs spurs were 2 years of amazing finals and cavs didn't have competence in the east so warriors were dominant 5 years, right now you dont know who's gonna go to the finals in the west, cause okc and rockets are young teams but the best this season, but minnesota, denver, mavs, grizzlies and clippers have something to say, west is a 2 team competence, obviously cavs and celtics but knicks, magic and bucks I think are not that far away
There's nothing competitive about a 3 point contest, it's a pick up game where whoever wins both sides seems satisfied with the game and dap each up afterwards. GGs but rivalries would carry that loss over and straight up be telling them mofos that they ain't gonna win twice and play harder against them the next meet up. They play exactly the same and win or lose, dap each other up afterwards. If they ain't passionate about winning, why watch?
I respect Shaq and Alonzo, but the truth is that the players can't be physical with each other like the players did back in their day. They would get ejected from the game and suspended. However, I take their point about players being too friendly with each other before the game - save the hugs for after the game.
The competition from 80's and 90's to the early 2000's are what brought the aesthetic of the game to the peak of the art form. But it's true Stephen Curry is a legend for single handedly ruining the game further by his green light at the arc. But he too has added to the aesthetic of the game and it's noticeable now and more noticable after he retires. There will never be another Steph Curry.😎
Curry didn't ruin the game. Lebron team switching and Stat Padding for rings, Load Management and players not wanting to compete, No fundamentals nor team offensive movement, too many 3's, no defense and no violations called ruined the game. And the "Woke" agenda was icing on the cake. Curry didn't ruin the game, you supposed to be able to shoot good. People who not good shooter trying to be Curry ruins the game.
@@truthiscensored I dunno. Shooting three pointers is one thing and shooting at the end of the quarter to beat the buzzer is another thing that would fly with any coach. But Stephen Curry is the only one given the green light to shoot the three pointer on a fast break, and then became the only one to have the green light to shoot from near logo center court in regulation. Everyone that played "Small Guard" doing it afterward didn't help the league, but Step Curry is the first to normalize it due to making majority of those shots to compete. Jason "White Chocolate" Williams tried the same method of three pointers on fast breaks and he would get benched even if he made the shot. It was technically just the worst basketball i.q. decision to make with a wide open driving lane for an easy non-contested two points. M.J. set the bar too high with style of winning at will and streaks with a winning team. Shaq came afterward and tore down rims to further demolish the game. LeBron started from 18 years old and averaged almost 30 points for his 22+ year career to obtain the most points scored record. So that can only be done by someone given the same opportunity. Then Steph Curry was given the green light to break the myth that shooting teams couldn't win championships as long as big dominant centers played the post game, so they removed big dominant post game centers when Shaq bruised all of them for hacking him. Now Steph will hold a 400 three pointers in one season record forever.😎
Remember how excited the TNT crew got during the playoffs last year when the Timberwolves / Nuggets series went 1990's physicality? Why can't the league move more in that direction?
The physicality of '80s and '90s NBA is something that comes from within, fellas. You cannot learn how to play like that. That was the gift that God blessed y'all with. I was just watching old footage of Mr. Jordan and...man! He knew what the other players were gonna do before they even did it. It gives you chills and make yo' eyes well up. Today's players are not blessed w/ that type of seasoning. I try not to say that it comes "once in a lifetime," but looking at how things are going... Anyhow, being called a "hater" comes w/ the territory, fellas. You're gonna be a hater for being passionate about something you gave yo' life to and want to see thrive. I'll be 40 years old next year so I understand exactly where the OGs are coming from. I feel like the players of today move kinda slow and basic. Just a far cry from what I remember. The seasoning, magic and soul is gone.
1:15 I dont think the players "dont want it", I think it's more likely that the status quo has become so friendly now that dudes are afraid to cross the unspoken picket line and be the "villain" so to speak. There's like a taboo on being that level of competitive nowadays, and that can be hard to break out of.
Alonzo planted his sharp ass elbow on Scottie's head, giving him that unsightly bump on his head. Game 4 of the ECF. Why would Scottie or Mike shake his hand? 😂
I keep saying this man, they just don’t make ‘em like they used to anymore. No more physicality. Now everyone just jacks up 40+ threes a night and will shot a 3 on a fastbreak instead of going to the basket. We don’t have players in my era like Laimbeer Mahorn Oakley or Mason. Real intimidators
As a GM, I agree with my players not playing back to backs in the regular season. If its legal, I have to do it if it helps my team win. As the commissioner, that is a step too far and I would stop it. I have to do what is best for the NBA game and overall bottom line.
Automatic fines for friendships, Suspension For multiple time offenders, And if you cry foul to the ref Automatic technical, And you get benched if you get caught slacking on defense, Gotta toughin and tighten up this new generation
It's very simple. Sports are society's mirror. Every generation is softer than the previous one, so does basketball. The product must match the society's beliefs and aesthetics.
Yeah, the previous generation was so tough. That’s why they let David Stern rule them with the iron fist and Bobby Knight bust them over the head with chairs every chance he got and they didn’t do squat.😂
@@j-short5431They were disciplined, worked hard and respected the commissioner and the fans. They grew up in more harsh environments and they learned to fight in order to succeed. Basketball was their tool for a better life, they respected that and didn't cheat it. They played through injuries and gave everything they got on the court. Alonzo fought a kidney disease, came back and won a ring. You really want to compare him with today's puppies ? The current generation is the softest one , except one or two exceptions, and the fans that support them soft too.
@FillyouupSplash NBA ratings are way down, in case you haven't noticed. It's a sissy game at this point. No d, no physicality, too many 3s and inflated offensive numbers across the board. And the players don't even care. Just look at the all-star game. No pride whatsoever.
I’ve had this convo with younger sports fans usually in there late 20s early thirties… I tell them “those championships yall hear Jordan won… none were gimmeies the way the league was it could’ve easily swung the other way … we know now but nothing was ever guaranteed…”
@@j-short5431 absolute shame is that you were the only person in the world that knew he was going to win one of those games, I was told to tell you this by a professional player that was playing at that time that decided to remain nameless
@ the bulls were heavily favored and all those series. The whole world knew they were gonna win. And I think it’s a shame. You guys go back with this revisionist history and lie to these kids.
@@LanceJ. Part of learning sports is realizing eye test shows how often Kobe was tightly contested or double-teamed on 3s while LeBron shoots 3s in lots of space. Very different eras. Or even looking at percentage of shot selection at different distances from the basket. Those stats show LeBron has been more reliant on getting within 3 ft of the rim than MJ and Kobe the mid-range masters.
Obviously players today are wary of getting hurt that's why their teams found a way to avoid that and that's utilizing long range shots and load management.
The Nba used to have heart and soul back in the 90s . It's lost all of that. Dudes don't even seem like they have to prove themselves anymore. A lot of guys are rolling over for 40 year old Lebron. If it was the 90s... Young guys would be going hard at Lebron out knowing he's an old guy. They'd want his spot. It's lost all of that
It’s to the point where players are complaining about traveling… “we have a crazy schedule and a lot of traveling so we can’t physically play all the games”. So all the dudes before you traveling just as much, without private planes and stuff were able to play almost every game and didn’t complain. What were they? Best nutrition, best travel methods, etc. and somehow THIS is the only time it’s an issue? Soft, all of these dudes, with that mentality they’re not gonna try in the regular season either. They treat it like the all star game, get out there and get a little cardio but don’t do anything that could get you hurt.
I don't blame the players, I blame the league. They are encouraging this type of play and in the process are destroying the game and overall fan interest. I love the game but I can't sit there and watch guys (most that can't even shoot) chuck up 3's for 48 mins.
The fans come to see you play NBA will never be what it was in the 80s-90s today's game is ok but not even close to being as great as the league was when you played Shaq ⚡
The soul of competition and intensity is extinguished. Now, we have a bunch of friendly millionaires playing pick-up, giving their 50% percent. That's how far the game has fallen.
The problem with this era is players are getting paid too much. Once they have that big long term contract, alot of then arent gonna play as hard. Why should I drive it in and bang up when I can just chuck up a 3. Why should I play defense when the rules and refs allow players to travel to the next planet.
Here we go guys another man that keep gay shit on his mind all the time, you need to go watch Lord Jamar interview on BagFuel podcast I bet you won't be playing that pause game no more he made a lot of sense too
The commissioner and owners changed the rules to not allow physicality because they didn’t think the viewers could handle watching black people fight each other. Blame yourselves, not the players.
Physicality, desire, rivalry. Every single possession meant something. There was no taking games off, no missing 20 games for a sprained ego. Today's game is less competitive than the run at the local Y
Why are y’all blaming players for physicality when that’s the refs calling the game . And he forgot magic and Isiah kissed before the finals ….and then when draymond starts choking people out like y’all used to be doin and y’all call him crazy
@sergioa.9695 it's not nostalgia the game is so different now it's unrecognizable .....and it's not just the commissioner and nba and refs it's also the players...I'm in my 40s and the players flop and cry like never before, there iq level is super low they shoot a logo 3 on a 3 on 1 fastbreak they don't know how to play in a team setting cause all they do is individualized workouts, they load manage and it's pathetic, they don't play with heart and passion like they used too I just went to a magic and pacer game and majority of the players looked like they didn't even want to be there
@@MakaveliCVW All things you said are the same things i don't like too but make no mistske the game is more advanced now, you can't put the same lineups of past eras and expect to win in today's nba, you can't win if you don't shoot good enough from 3, you can't win if you don't have fast and versatile players who can switch positions. Yes it's a totally different game, yes the way player behave are part of the society we live in, yes I miss the post game but no era is perfect. Each era has pros and cons and present different challenges. There is so much talent out there and the best teams play very good team basketball that I absolutely enjoy. Unfortunately too many people of my age are stuck in the past, sure no era can replace the rivalry and my memories of 80's 90"s and 00's basketball but the game has evolved a lot and the offensive strategies are constantly evolving make it very intersting if you are an hardcore fans and put time into understand the intrecacy of today's nba offensive and defensive strategies.
@sergioa.9695 it's not more advanced the changing of the rules have made it seem that way, it makes role players look much better and all stars look like superstars they allow players to travel and do triple step backs....u could absolutely drop players in from past eras and win....the three ain't a high percentage shot u live or die with the 3 and the players shoot way more then they should be
@@MakaveliCVWThe officiating is another story but you didn't understand. I'm not saying players are overall better i'm staying basketball comcepts are more advanced and better because they fully take advsntage of rules and the 3 point line. You can win with past great players playing with today's comcepts but not with entire old school lineups with poor shooting on the floor and bigs who get exploited on defense. Trust me i know what i'm talking about. The officiating is a problem no doubt, devalue the game and makes players look better but that's another topic.
They got called out by bill wilt Kareem etc… now they calling out todays players It shows how the game decreased overtime since the 60s70s but this is def the highest rate of decline we’ve seen
Jealous, over what? Only thing better in the NBA is Flopping/Load Management/Contracts… How they have more athleticism now, and most of them can’t stay Healthy?? They want $300 Million, and play 25-/30 games. Fuk outta here.. Don’t disrespect the 80/90’s ball no more..
I can't believe the NBA especially Adam Silver still can't hear these points from former players even from the fans unbelievable worst commissioner ever 🙄😞
Embiid is the exception for not playing back to backs because his knees can not do it. He basically is Patrick Ewing's knees reincarnated. It shortened Pats prime for sure. Embiid is getting up there in age. If I was gm I would sit him until New Years, then he can play minus back to backs. Weak ass east, 40 games makes the playoffs. I am not against load management to an extent. Pop did it for years to his big 3, they had a resurgence in their mid 30s and went to back to back finals. MJ retired twice and missed a full year for his foot. Lebron has missed 2 full seasons if you add them up. It worked for them. I wish Shaq, Barkley, Admiral, Ewing, D Wade, Dirk, Hakeem, Yao, Tmac, Isiah, Bird and McHale would have done it, their careers would have been longer for us to watch. Kobe's career was cut short because he was going to hard to try and make playoffs, tore his Achilles. I remember watching that season, Kobe was playing so good, but every minute of the games and OT. All those dude were broken towards the end, and as an investment you want them healthy for as long as possible. Maybe Dominiqe, and KD don't have their career threatening injuries if they did it. The coach needs to figure out the 10 games the veteran star will miss before the season starts and make it public so that fans do not buy tix and networks do not air the games. You just cant do it like Kawhi. It's gotta be like missing 2 games per month max.
I'm 44. I grew up on '80s and '90s basketball, so for a variety of reasons, that's the style I prefer. But man, basketball just is what it is now, and I for one have gotten REALLY bored with "olds" sitting around on microphones grousing about stuff like "physicality". Just because your point is correct doesn't make it interesting. Move on already.
Well, NBA ratings are way down and that is not a coincidence. The game is broken at this point. We want intensity and drama. Jacking 3s, flopping and no D.. who wants to watch that? Just look at the all-star game. Players don't even care anymore, why should fans?
No One Loves Goliaths. While MJ is best player ever...he even admired big men. I remember the wars with Shaq, Zo, Patrick, Kareem, the Chief, Hakeem, Robinson and miss them. Same with true PFs.
Nonsense.....every era has its particular style of play....in one era physicality may be the dominant style of play, in another era finesse may be the style of the day.....One must view the sport of Basketball an ever evolving organism.....the only constant is change......
Didn’t Magic and Isiah have sit down because they was into since the 80s? I rather see players dap up than beef. When it’s jump ball KD and Bron tryna take each other heads off. Then you can’t blame the players for how they play because the referees call tikytak fouls. How can you play aggressive when the refs call bullshit call. So I don’t agree with neither Zo nor Shaq. There are competitors in the league. The people in the world don’t know wtf they want
Magic and Zeke beef had nothing to do with basketball. It was about Zeke questioning Magic's sexuality behind his back when Magic got the HIV virus. Now Jordan and Isiah...? LOL
@@lawrence208Lol Its a lot easier to stay healthy as a big when you dont have to move laterally and can just stand in the paint the entire game like a fucking cone.
If shaq and Alonzo could shoot 3s they wouldn't be as physical...... today's game is evolving but it's not a bad thing..... Shaq couldn't even shoot a free throw....
Which era you're talking about? Russ is not a player of this era, Jokic Giannis SGA Tatum Doncic are players of this currentt era and they all would be very good players in any era.
@@back2back379 That's why is pointless to compare players of complete different eras. But they all still be very good players hypotetically, they have too much talent to not be.
Now a bunch of "ass tapping, good gamers" drives me nuts!!! I miss the aggressive physicality era. Oakley's, Antonio Davis's. Loved those guys...Barkley etc.
The Big man of the NBA TO IS SOFT I LOVE THE NBA OF 80'S & 90'S Shaquille O'Neal Alonzo Mourning Patrick Ewing Olajuwon David Robinson they where absolutely awesome played Defense 🏀🏀🏀🏀🦾🦾💪💪
80s, 90s, 00s best era NBA history.
Amen!
@@ktapreswreckd921v9it died after 08/09
Say louder for the ones in the back pause 😅🙌🏾✊🏾🙏🏾
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@@FrankFernandez-wi4sq After 2011 when Dirk bodied everyone in playoffs. 2011 Mavs had great vets with no pride egos in the way. 2012 and down it got watered down
I miss the 80s and 90s NBA!! I grew up watching players like Shaq and Zo go at it everytime they saw each other!! I play as a big man......and you're fair game against me!!
The competitive nature of the 80s, 90s, and early to mid 2000s basketball was vicious. Nothing like the 80s and 90s tho. It was arch rivals
basketball used to be so entertaining to watch in the 90's, both college and pro. For me it used to rival even the NFL.
Both Shaq and Zo would slay in today's Monistat Mary Kay DNA NBA.
COULDA WOULDA SHOULDA
@@TonyCarter-y7h Caps? Definitely a Monistat cat. You must be from this menstruation manifestation trophy participation load management generation. #VasectomyValor
@@TonyCarter-y7h so u think shaq wouldnt destroy all centers in todays nba?
@@ziginaigracross era debates are for bored feminine men...sorry
Bbq chicken
Todays NBA is UNWATCHABLE. It's absolutely APPALLING how low grade it is. No defence, no rules, no positions, no competition, guys jacking up 3's all the time. THIS IS NOT BASKETBALL.
There’s a carry on every possession and a travel on every two or three and it’s not called. Taking away hand checking was a huge mistake.
worst thing the NBA ever did was outlaw hand checking. totally just gave a massive advantage to offense for no reason.
Agree with you right now its like the refs dont want the offensive players to be defended😅
Zo and signature wrist band wiping away his sweat .
Yep! Got that from Pat Ewing!
I agree with Zo & Shaq. I miss when the big men of the league would kill down low in the post or from midrange. Also, the rivalries definitely made the game more exciting back then and I grew up in the 2000s.
Seeing Wemby shooting step back 3s over 6’5 guys is painful
@@Jay.isaiah yea I told someone he shouldn't be shooting 3s like that, he shoots almost as many 3s as he does 2s and the fanboy lost it lol wemby is 12ft tall get your ass in the paint and use your footwork and height to your advantage
*We cant blame the Soft state of basketball on players the NBA, the Comissioner and Executives are responsible for changing the rules not the players* creating the *Freedom of Movement era* of basketball.
*Giannis the Greek Freak is the ONLY Big man in the league that matches the physicality & insensitivity of the 80s and 90s*
Furthermore, GA is the only player to bring in a impactful presence to the NBA since LJ after that it's was Wemby.
The game has evolved and players like Wemby & Joker, Embid excell in the Free flow era.
*The only time you see real physical basketball is in the playoffs*
The game hasn’t really evolved, it was altered and pushed in this direction. It wasn’t a natural shift towards this style of play.
Shaq and Zo were like two elephants pushing on each other. Shaq the stronger one and Zo a little quicker. Watching the live games on TNT and NBC as a kid was great!
They'll blame the players but not the league itself. The Suits and Ties are calling the shots, they are the ones who create the rules and hire the refs.
Exactly
Yea. This is true. Lots of things changed too though. The players used to be dudes coming out of bad situations. A lot of the guys getting drafted now are coming from white collar families. It's just a different generation. THe league had heart back in the day. It's lost all of that
Both ar to blame and the version of Giannis you are seeing his year shows you that the players hands are jus as dirty as the exec`s. His 3 point attempts are under 1 per night while he`s leading the league in scoring and getting to the line almost 12 times per night. From a players perspective, that takes a whole hell of a lot more effort than just hunting step-backs.
This is the player empowerment era. The league does what the players want.
I always wonder why none of you blame the fans. The league is a business. The business caters to the fan.
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"You let them boys lay that wood on you, they'll take you outta the air"! 🤦♂️😂😂
Greg Kite. Never thought I’d hear that name again, especially on a podcast.
Dominant big man makes the game easier for his teammates when he controls the paint on both ends of the court .
There is no rivalries in today’s basketball. Weak AF!
So stop watching
I think there's no rivalries cause is a much more competitive league, so teams dont look for their rivalry, before lakers and spurs were the west champions 11 out of 12 years between 1999 and 2010 and that was a big rivalry, lebron's teams heat vs spurs were 2 years of amazing finals and cavs didn't have competence in the east so warriors were dominant 5 years, right now you dont know who's gonna go to the finals in the west, cause okc and rockets are young teams but the best this season, but minnesota, denver, mavs, grizzlies and clippers have something to say, west is a 2 team competence, obviously cavs and celtics but knicks, magic and bucks I think are not that far away
There's nothing competitive about a 3 point contest, it's a pick up game where whoever wins both sides seems satisfied with the game and dap each up afterwards. GGs but rivalries would carry that loss over and straight up be telling them mofos that they ain't gonna win twice and play harder against them the next meet up. They play exactly the same and win or lose, dap each other up afterwards. If they ain't passionate about winning, why watch?
There aren’t rivalries in sports period, they’re all buddy buddy
I respect Shaq and Alonzo, but the truth is that the players can't be physical with each other like the players did back in their day. They would get ejected from the game and suspended. However, I take their point about players being too friendly with each other before the game - save the hugs for after the game.
The competition from 80's and 90's to the early 2000's are what brought the aesthetic of the game to the peak of the art form. But it's true Stephen Curry is a legend for single handedly ruining the game further by his green light at the arc. But he too has added to the aesthetic of the game and it's noticeable now and more noticable after he retires. There will never be another Steph Curry.😎
Since ‘10 I knew Steph would be #1 called it!!! Shot like Ray handles like A, I seen it!
Curry didn't ruin the game.
Lebron team switching and Stat Padding for rings, Load Management and players not wanting to compete, No fundamentals nor team offensive movement, too many 3's, no defense and no violations called ruined the game. And the "Woke" agenda was icing on the cake.
Curry didn't ruin the game, you supposed to be able to shoot good. People who not good shooter trying to be Curry ruins the game.
@@truthiscensored I dunno. Shooting three pointers is one thing and shooting at the end of the quarter to beat the buzzer is another thing that would fly with any coach. But Stephen Curry is the only one given the green light to shoot the three pointer on a fast break, and then became the only one to have the green light to shoot from near logo center court in regulation. Everyone that played "Small Guard" doing it afterward didn't help the league, but Step Curry is the first to normalize it due to making majority of those shots to compete. Jason "White Chocolate" Williams tried the same method of three pointers on fast breaks and he would get benched even if he made the shot. It was technically just the worst basketball i.q. decision to make with a wide open driving lane for an easy non-contested two points. M.J. set the bar too high with style of winning at will and streaks with a winning team. Shaq came afterward and tore down rims to further demolish the game. LeBron started from 18 years old and averaged almost 30 points for his 22+ year career to obtain the most points scored record. So that can only be done by someone given the same opportunity. Then Steph Curry was given the green light to break the myth that shooting teams couldn't win championships as long as big dominant centers played the post game, so they removed big dominant post game centers when Shaq bruised all of them for hacking him. Now Steph will hold a 400 three pointers in one season record forever.😎
@@truthiscensoredLeBron LeBron LeBron is the only person you ever talk about LeBron?
@@truthiscensoredswitching teams its called free agency stats iimportant for hall of fame players #casual
They need to remove that 3 second paint violation
Love hearing from Zo.
Remember how excited the TNT crew got during the playoffs last year when the Timberwolves / Nuggets series went 1990's physicality? Why can't the league move more in that direction?
The physicality of '80s and '90s NBA is something that comes from within, fellas. You cannot learn how to play like that. That was the gift that God blessed y'all with. I was just watching old footage of Mr. Jordan and...man! He knew what the other players were gonna do before they even did it. It gives you chills and make yo' eyes well up. Today's players are not blessed w/ that type of seasoning. I try not to say that it comes "once in a lifetime," but looking at how things are going... Anyhow, being called a "hater" comes w/ the territory, fellas. You're gonna be a hater for being passionate about something you gave yo' life to and want to see thrive. I'll be 40 years old next year so I understand exactly where the OGs are coming from. I feel like the players of today move kinda slow and basic. Just a far cry from what I remember. The seasoning, magic and soul is gone.
1:15 I dont think the players "dont want it", I think it's more likely that the status quo has become so friendly now that dudes are afraid to cross the unspoken picket line and be the "villain" so to speak. There's like a taboo on being that level of competitive nowadays, and that can be hard to break out of.
Alonzo planted his sharp ass elbow on Scottie's head, giving him that unsightly bump on his head. Game 4 of the ECF. Why would Scottie or Mike shake his hand? 😂
I remember that. It left a swollen spot on pippen's head.
Zo put a egg on Scottie HEAD BRUH😅
'92 draft #1 & #2 ✊🏿👑🫡
Alonzo: he is a Centre by heart not size! Amazing
Zack gone be a beast when he comes back from injury
Mad love for the Joker for reviving the center position
Maybe but he is a different kind of C compare to zo and shaq.
@xofmetleh6618 i still want him to tomahawk the rim more like shaq and zo did though
How was standing above the three-point line running the weave reviving the center position?
@@j-short5431 he’s banging down in the low post
I keep saying this man, they just don’t make ‘em like they used to anymore. No more physicality. Now everyone just jacks up 40+ threes a night and will shot a 3 on a fastbreak instead of going to the basket. We don’t have players in my era like Laimbeer Mahorn Oakley or Mason. Real intimidators
As a young Bulls fan in the 90’s, I HATED Zo! But GD do I miss him and players like him now. I miss that intensity in today’s game.
You love Alonzo morning. Because you knew he was no competition and you could beat them.
As a GM, I agree with my players not playing back to backs in the regular season. If its legal, I have to do it if it helps my team win.
As the commissioner, that is a step too far and I would stop it. I have to do what is best for the NBA game and overall bottom line.
Rules changes…..Mid 2000s-onwards…making bigs able to step on the floor….which couldn’t happen in the 80s and 90s.
There's no more rivalry these days. It's like watching two teams having a shooting practice.
They played back to back playoff games Jordan played back to back in the 89 postseason with an injury and dropped 40
Great show y’all
Automatic fines for friendships, Suspension For multiple time offenders, And if you cry foul to the ref Automatic technical, And you get benched if you get caught slacking on defense, Gotta toughin and tighten up this new generation
Zo was my favorite player from Georgetown. Even though I was as tall or athletic as he was I modeled my game after his.
when i think bout it.... even after their prime....
Shaq + ZO on the heat had to be the most scariest tandem
Mj and pippen just looked at him 🐐
Shaq u got me LOL with the TRUE statement about us that I don’t like u face black people know wen we don’t like each other 😂🤣
It's very simple. Sports are society's mirror. Every generation is softer than the previous one, so does basketball. The product must match the society's beliefs and aesthetics.
Yeah, the previous generation was so tough. That’s why they let David Stern rule them with the iron fist and Bobby Knight bust them over the head with chairs every chance he got and they didn’t do squat.😂
@@j-short5431They were disciplined, worked hard and respected the commissioner and the fans. They grew up in more harsh environments and they learned to fight in order to succeed. Basketball was their tool for a better life, they respected that and didn't cheat it. They played through injuries and gave everything they got on the court. Alonzo fought a kidney disease, came back and won a ring. You really want to compare him with today's puppies ?
The current generation is the softest one , except one or two exceptions, and the fans that support them soft too.
Butler would do great in the 80s-00s
Being able to have physicality and intensity on the defensive side of the ball gives a game the edge it needs. That's what is missing.
Today's game has no grit... it's soft. Ticky-tack fouls and flopping have become the norm. I miss the way the game was played up until the 1990's.
So don't watch 😮
@FillyouupSplash NBA ratings are way down, in case you haven't noticed. It's a sissy game at this point. No d, no physicality, too many 3s and inflated offensive numbers across the board. And the players don't even care. Just look at the all-star game. No pride whatsoever.
Rigged?
I’ve had this convo with younger sports fans usually in there late 20s early thirties… I tell them “those championships yall hear Jordan won… none were gimmeies the way the league was it could’ve easily swung the other way … we know now but nothing was ever guaranteed…”
That’s a shame you sit up there and lie to young people like that. An absolute shame.
I suppose …😂😂😂😂☠️
@@j-short5431 absolute shame is that you were the only person in the world that knew he was going to win one of those games, I was told to tell you this by a professional player that was playing at that time that decided to remain nameless
@ the bulls were heavily favored and all those series. The whole world knew they were gonna win. And I think it’s a shame. You guys go back with this revisionist history and lie to these kids.
Drive, kick out, three, drive, kick out, three... thats basically modern nba.
Shaq asking if Giannis too light when KG was built like a literal toothpick
Yeah, but KG could shoot. He wasn't solely dependent on getting to the rim like Giannis or Lebron. And he played as a PF. There lays the difference.
LeBron has a higher 3pt% than Jordan and Kobe. Learn sports.
@@LanceJ. Part of learning sports is realizing eye test shows how often Kobe was tightly contested or double-teamed on 3s while LeBron shoots 3s in lots of space. Very different eras. Or even looking at percentage of shot selection at different distances from the basket. Those stats show LeBron has been more reliant on getting within 3 ft of the rim than MJ and Kobe the mid-range masters.
@@LanceJ.Can you please check his stats during the last 3 seasons??? LBJ has many things, but not a jumpshot buddy...
Zo is my favourite center of all time 💪🏽 fearless
Obviously players today are wary of getting hurt that's why their teams found a way to avoid that and that's utilizing long range shots and load management.
The Nba used to have heart and soul back in the 90s . It's lost all of that. Dudes don't even seem like they have to prove themselves anymore. A lot of guys are rolling over for 40 year old Lebron. If it was the 90s... Young guys would be going hard at Lebron out knowing he's an old guy. They'd want his spot. It's lost all of that
Oh please. Those players back then were rolling over kissing Michael Jordan‘s behind.
It’s to the point where players are complaining about traveling… “we have a crazy schedule and a lot of traveling so we can’t physically play all the games”. So all the dudes before you traveling just as much, without private planes and stuff were able to play almost every game and didn’t complain. What were they? Best nutrition, best travel methods, etc. and somehow THIS is the only time it’s an issue? Soft, all of these dudes, with that mentality they’re not gonna try in the regular season either. They treat it like the all star game, get out there and get a little cardio but don’t do anything that could get you hurt.
I don't blame the players, I blame the league. They are encouraging this type of play and in the process are destroying the game and overall fan interest. I love the game but I can't sit there and watch guys (most that can't even shoot) chuck up 3's for 48 mins.
Bulls Pistons, Bulls Knicks, Knicks Heat, Knicks Indiana, Bulls Indiana. The east was something 😊
Yep. Michael Jordan and his super team going up against teams with one prime Hall of Famer.😂
Zo plays physical with 1 healthy kidney... True warrior..
The fans come to see you play NBA will never be what it was in the 80s-90s today's game is ok but not even close to being as great as the league was when you played Shaq ⚡
💯%@ll facts Alonzo morning
The old heads remember, ZO was a PROBLEM back in the day. He doesn’t always get his flowers when the great centers are discussed
He was not a problem back in the day. He wasn’t even an all NBA player until Ewing and Hakeem got old.
Here in detroit we miss good physical hard nose basketball.here playing thru the pain is load management.
Yeah primitive mindset
Yes !!!!! Bring back the physicality and enough with the 50 FT a game. No cadance to the games.
The soul of competition and intensity is extinguished. Now, we have a bunch of friendly millionaires playing pick-up, giving their 50% percent. That's how far the game has fallen.
So your pocket watching and mad at the money of these guys are making? Got it.
@j-short5431 I'm not interested in this girl talk. Grown man, don't be jealous. That's your generation.
@@j-short5431 Not interested. Grown men don't get jealous. They want to watch basketball though.😂
@@soloistdeve yeah you really are interested. That’s why you brought it up.
@@j-short5431 I brought it up because it took away their fire and competitive spirit. That's not pocket-watching.
The problem with this era is players are getting paid too much. Once they have that big long term contract, alot of then arent gonna play as hard. Why should I drive it in and bang up when I can just chuck up a 3. Why should I play defense when the rules and refs allow players to travel to the next planet.
2:35 mark. Hard pause SHaq 😂
Here we go guys another man that keep gay shit on his mind all the time, you need to go watch Lord Jamar interview on BagFuel podcast I bet you won't be playing that pause game no more he made a lot of sense too
The Big Banner Podcast 😂
The commissioner and owners changed the rules to not allow physicality because they didn’t think the viewers could handle watching black people fight each other. Blame yourselves, not the players.
Physicality, desire, rivalry.
Every single possession meant something. There was no taking games off, no missing 20 games for a sprained ego.
Today's game is less competitive than the run at the local Y
Jesus #1
Is it me, or Zo and Booker T sounds a lot like each other lol
It's just you
Why are y’all blaming players for physicality when that’s the refs calling the game . And he forgot magic and Isiah kissed before the finals ….and then when draymond starts choking people out like y’all used to be doin and y’all call him crazy
Thank you. I'm 50 i follow the game since the 80's and yes i don't like many aspects of today's nba but this old school nostalgia has got out of hand.
@sergioa.9695 it's not nostalgia the game is so different now it's unrecognizable .....and it's not just the commissioner and nba and refs it's also the players...I'm in my 40s and the players flop and cry like never before, there iq level is super low they shoot a logo 3 on a 3 on 1 fastbreak they don't know how to play in a team setting cause all they do is individualized workouts, they load manage and it's pathetic, they don't play with heart and passion like they used too I just went to a magic and pacer game and majority of the players looked like they didn't even want to be there
@@MakaveliCVW All things you said are the same things i don't like too but make no mistske the game is more advanced now, you can't put the same lineups of past eras and expect to win in today's nba, you can't win if you don't shoot good enough from 3, you can't win if you don't have fast and versatile players who can switch positions. Yes it's a totally different game, yes the way player behave are part of the society we live in, yes I miss the post game but no era is perfect. Each era has pros and cons and present different challenges. There is so much talent out there and the best teams play very good team basketball that I absolutely enjoy. Unfortunately too many people of my age are stuck in the past, sure no era can replace the rivalry and my memories of 80's 90"s and 00's basketball but the game has evolved a lot and the offensive strategies are constantly evolving make it very intersting if you are an hardcore fans and put time into understand the intrecacy of today's nba offensive and defensive strategies.
@sergioa.9695 it's not more advanced the changing of the rules have made it seem that way, it makes role players look much better and all stars look like superstars they allow players to travel and do triple step backs....u could absolutely drop players in from past eras and win....the three ain't a high percentage shot u live or die with the 3 and the players shoot way more then they should be
@@MakaveliCVWThe officiating is another story but you didn't understand. I'm not saying players are overall better i'm staying basketball comcepts are more advanced and better because they fully take advsntage of rules and the 3 point line. You can win with past great players playing with today's comcepts but not with entire old school lineups with poor shooting on the floor and bigs who get exploited on defense. Trust me i know what i'm talking about. The officiating is a problem no doubt, devalue the game and makes players look better but that's another topic.
They got called out by bill wilt Kareem etc… now they calling out todays players
It shows how the game decreased overtime since the 60s70s but this is def the highest rate of decline we’ve seen
It all over action 90s players most jealous about today players more athletism more speed best dunkers ever,shooting by far better than any era.
Jealous, over what? Only thing better in the NBA is Flopping/Load Management/Contracts… How they have more athleticism now, and most of them can’t stay Healthy?? They want $300 Million, and play 25-/30 games. Fuk outta here.. Don’t disrespect the 80/90’s ball no more..
What is crazy to me is Joker gets hacked to death with hardly any trips to the freethrow line. Yet these flopping cats live at the charity stripe.
You miss 80s & 90s basketball? Watch the Euroleague or FIBA basketball tournaments 🤣
Todays nba is pretty much just a walk thru
the only player in today's league who would fit in the older NBA is Bobby Portis
I can't believe the NBA especially Adam Silver still can't hear these points from former players even from the fans unbelievable worst commissioner ever 🙄😞
The NBA can have defense without being 90s physical. Just bring back hand checking. And the refs need to stop calling techs for literally nothing
Why is Shaq ducking Dwight Howard? That’s the real question 🤪🤪🤪
@7:54 @8:10 👀
Embiid is the exception for not playing back to backs because his knees can not do it. He basically is Patrick Ewing's knees reincarnated. It shortened Pats prime for sure. Embiid is getting up there in age. If I was gm I would sit him until New Years, then he can play minus back to backs. Weak ass east, 40 games makes the playoffs.
I am not against load management to an extent. Pop did it for years to his big 3, they had a resurgence in their mid 30s and went to back to back finals. MJ retired twice and missed a full year for his foot. Lebron has missed 2 full seasons if you add them up. It worked for them. I wish Shaq, Barkley, Admiral, Ewing, D Wade, Dirk, Hakeem, Yao, Tmac, Isiah, Bird and McHale would have done it, their careers would have been longer for us to watch. Kobe's career was cut short because he was going to hard to try and make playoffs, tore his Achilles. I remember watching that season, Kobe was playing so good, but every minute of the games and OT. All those dude were broken towards the end, and as an investment you want them healthy for as long as possible. Maybe Dominiqe, and KD don't have their career threatening injuries if they did it.
The coach needs to figure out the 10 games the veteran star will miss before the season starts and make it public so that fans do not buy tix and networks do not air the games. You just cant do it like Kawhi. It's gotta be like missing 2 games per month max.
I miss Rob Jenners and John Kincade
I'm 44. I grew up on '80s and '90s basketball, so for a variety of reasons, that's the style I prefer. But man, basketball just is what it is now, and I for one have gotten REALLY bored with "olds" sitting around on microphones grousing about stuff like "physicality". Just because your point is correct doesn't make it interesting. Move on already.
Well, NBA ratings are way down and that is not a coincidence. The game is broken at this point. We want intensity and drama. Jacking 3s, flopping and no D.. who wants to watch that? Just look at the all-star game. Players don't even care anymore, why should fans?
No One Loves Goliaths. While MJ is best player ever...he even admired big men. I remember the wars with Shaq, Zo, Patrick, Kareem, the Chief, Hakeem, Robinson and miss them. Same with true PFs.
Nonsense.....every era has its particular style of play....in one era physicality may be the dominant style of play, in another era finesse may be the style of the day.....One must view the sport of Basketball an ever evolving organism.....the only constant is change......
THE LEAGUE SUCKS TODAY.....I'M FINISHED WITH WATCHING HOOPS. I'M MORE INTO VINYL TODAY....THAT NEVER FAILED ME....PEACE.
Didn’t Magic and Isiah have sit down because they was into since the 80s? I rather see players dap up than beef. When it’s jump ball KD and Bron tryna take each other heads off. Then you can’t blame the players for how they play because the referees call tikytak fouls. How can you play aggressive when the refs call bullshit call. So I don’t agree with neither Zo nor Shaq. There are competitors in the league. The people in the world don’t know wtf they want
Magic and Zeke beef had nothing to do with basketball. It was about Zeke questioning Magic's sexuality behind his back when Magic got the HIV virus. Now Jordan and Isiah...? LOL
@ it doesn’t matter. They still had beef. Y’all want superstars to beef then when it goes to far yall wanna clown them.
BY THE WAY....LONZO LOOKS FUCKIN GREAT TODAY!
Didn't Magic and Isaiah kiss on the lips at center court?
If Alonzo had focused more on skill than physicality, he wouldn’t have been a foul prone, free throw missing, turnover machine in the playoffs
and the wnba has opposing team members that are in relationships
.....AD and Embiid wouldnt last a full season back in the day
they definitely would ur favorite 80s and 90s players were coked up hooping in chucks
@@starn9 FYI AD and Embiid cant even stay healthy when defense isnt allowed. Availability is the best ability. #tissuepapersoft
@@lawrence208Lol Its a lot easier to stay healthy as a big when you dont have to move laterally and can just stand in the paint the entire game like a fucking cone.
If shaq and Alonzo could shoot 3s they wouldn't be as physical...... today's game is evolving but it's not a bad thing..... Shaq couldn't even shoot a free throw....
There are no team or personal rivalries, nothing compelling to watch.
Not everybody... You mean LeBron and SC were not trying to beat the cap out of each other.. The refs were a bigger part of it
Just move the line back a couple feet. Problem solved.
Russell Westbrook is the only player in this era that would make it in the 90s
Which era you're talking about? Russ is not a player of this era, Jokic Giannis SGA Tatum Doncic are players of this currentt era and they all would be very good players in any era.
@@sergioa.9695 None of them would get the green light to play the way they do.
@@back2back379 That's why is pointless to compare players of complete different eras. But they all still be very good players hypotetically, they have too much talent to not be.
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This generation mess up the Game , all-star break dunk contest. I mean you think they trying to do it at this point.
Lets stop.. the rules dictate the limited physicality... if they are too physical they get fouled out and maybe even fined
Now a bunch of "ass tapping, good gamers" drives me nuts!!!
I miss the aggressive physicality era. Oakley's, Antonio Davis's. Loved those guys...Barkley etc.
The Big man of the NBA TO IS SOFT I LOVE THE NBA OF 80'S & 90'S Shaquille O'Neal Alonzo Mourning Patrick Ewing Olajuwon David Robinson they where absolutely awesome played Defense 🏀🏀🏀🏀🦾🦾💪💪
Alonzo’s muscles were all show. He was always afraid of legit tough guys and he always cried about every single call. Mentally weak