Combat patrol has been by far my most favorite way to play since release, I'm currently buying every combat patrol box so all my friends can try out armies before going into them. It feels so much more like a board game than 40k and is nice to play a few games with some food and drinks to have a good time!
This is what I was wanting to hear, basically "buy a box [for this specific format that's not just 'regular 40k scaled down'] and you're done," so it incentivizes you to try more than one army instead of having to buy hundreds of dollars worth of stuff just to be able to field one army.
@@dracosummonerWhat I don't like is since I've been playing for ten years and prefer smaller scale games of 40k I need the exact combat patrol to try this.
This is great. I was worried that the combat patrol missions would be locked up on the rulebook, which would appear to be antithetical to the idea of the new combat patrol. I’m glad this is not the case!
There's a combat patrol tournament at the games workshop store in Halifax nova scotia on December 3rd 2023 from 10am to 11am. This video is much needed to refresh and learn up for that.
The GW site has all combat patrols accounted for, including Space Marines, Tyranids, and Necrons. Space Marines and Tyranids use subset of units from the Leviathan box. I really like the rules on first readthrough. It seems like combat patrols could be a fun launching point for crusades: a relatively even launching point from which new collectors and longtime players can grow and customize their forces (and gradually phase in the complete gameplay rules).
i like the idea of combat patrol making 40k a potential thing to include in game nights with friends. like a game that doesnt have a million models to set up and takes 1 to 2 instead of 3 to 5 hours to play seems really nice for playing some 40k in a more casual "hanging out" kinda way
Some of the combat patrol are absolute ballers for both starting a collection and having a fun time but GODDAYUM the Space Marine box is insanely underpowered and unfun to work with, 4 units and 2 of them are characters and 1 of them cant be attached to anything, its insane.
Even if this is just a bit of fun, and/or a stepping stone to 1000 points for new players, it will more than serve its purpose. It's a friendly game mode, so I see no reason not to tweak loadouts to trybout other things, with the other player's consent of course. Very interested to see how they expand on this when the codex's come around. Hoping for more options, say units you can switch out for others as you build your collection. Army builder lite so to speak.
Auspex, do you actually regularly play the tabbletop yourself between videos or do you just analyze the game? If so which armies or gamemodes do you like to play, would be fun to see a match played by you on dicecheck with bricky when you have so much knowledge on the rules im interest in seeing how you'll play. Have a nice day!
Mordian glory did a kind of post battle report with him a while back, though they didn’t film it while playing and he just talked about how he game while showing pictures. I think auspex played knights while mordian took guard (obviously).
@14:36 Deep Strike puts the unit in Reserves, not Strategic Reserves. So the Deep Strike unit CAN be deployed on the first round, unlike Strategic Reserves which have to wait until round 2. EDIT: Sorry I was wrong! p6 of Combat Patrol does have special rules. “Reserves units can never arrive on the battlefield in the first battle round any reserves unit that has not arrived on the battlefield by the end of the third battle round counts as having been destroyed as do any units embarked within them”
Some advice is buying combat patrols at a LGS is far better than ordering from anywhere, store near me sold combat all their patrols at 127$ instead of the usual 160$ from GW stores.
its a very good way to start with the hobby cus you can have all tools and paints with the set for less then 200 euros and it has prettyh much all the info you need
Buying and painting a Marines Malevolent Combat Patrol continues to stick around in my brain. I kinda wish it would stop! But maybe it's not negotiable, and I have an extravagant and frivolous purchase to make at some point in the future. And I hate yellow!
Will probably end up following most of the index rules and building/tweaking combat patrols to play with friends. Sad the old phobos marines box didnt get rules but the units are close enough to some of the other space marine boxes we can make it work for casual games
They've got all sorts of nerfs and buffs to balance it out. They can keep editing the balance as needed too now that the rules are online (if they bother...).
this is my bigest gripe about it. like why cant I equip my two cadian squads the same way, or why do I have to take two difrent types of field ordance batteries.
Presumably to try to enhance balance between the different boxes, hence unfluffy stuff like bolter variant dark angel inceptors. I would model according to preference and agree to disapply WYSIWYG with your opponent as necessary.
I was worried about the MASSIVE points differences between each box, but with the army-specific rules, it seems alright..? I haven't played 10th Ed just yet, and I don't plan on playing Combat Patrol since my homies and I prefer 1000+pts games. But for those who have played Combat Patrol, how is it and how do you feel about it?
I didn't realize Combat Patrol's rules were entirely free and online. That might justify me picking up a ComPat box as an art project that I can also play with.
I was a bit confused because in the core rulebook only one leader can lead a unit with minor exceptions(apothecary etc) In the SM force, it had both terminator captain and terminator librarian. I was stumped thinking that the loadout won't work unless you want to sacrifice one leader. Seems now the combat patrol insists you attach both the captain and librarian to the terminator squad. Still, I may offer a 500 point match in lieu of any combat patrol box.
dunno if this is irrelevant to you now but in case you are still confused heres the thing. Generally you can indeed only attach one leader to any given unit, but there are exceptions. These come in two forms, i will use the ones i know from the armies i paly but they will have similar ones for marines etc. option one is that a leader may have an ability, typically specified on the back of the datacard, and then the bottom righthand corner, which allows for it to join a unit which already has a certain type of leader. An example would be the necrons cryptech lords, which all may attach themselves onto a unit as long as the existing leader of that unit is a noble. the second option can be found on the ork boyz, which have an ability to allow themselves to be led by two leaders, so long as one of the leaders has the warboss tag. this is why some setups have units with multiple leader
Playing with friends and adjusting stats a bit I’m sure you’ll be able to make it balanced, but from what I’ve seen combat patrol doesn’t seem to focus on point values much so it might not be inherently balanced.
Got my first game of combat patrol in 2 days ago and am I crazy or are the faction secondary's not included in combat patrol indices in the app? I can't find them anywhere in there.
It would be cool if they introduced some new game modes, like a last line of defense game mode where your squad of space marines have to survive against waves of enemies
The drone changes to tau has me utterly confused with their combat patrol. On the opening army listing, it mentions Fire Warrior Shas’ui having a marker drone and so does Stealth Shas’vre. However, the box listing has shield drones which no one appears to be equipped with? The actual index sheet for the mentions above only has shas'vre getting a marker drone. Probably doesn't help I'm new anyway, but it seems like that box is a bit of a mess with the rules.
RAW it seems only the Stealth Suit team will be able to benefit from having the drone (i.e. advance and still Observe). I hope after Leviathan calms down silly errors like this will get updated. So it seems you'll basically end up with extra drone tokens you can only use in larger games of 40K (like adding a Shield Drone to the Strike Team Shas'ui as pictured).
@mrchupee yeah. Interestingly, I did finally open up my leviathan launch box and the codex there lists out x drones for certain models but not who gets what. But the quick flipping through had no indexes for equipment. Like you said, hopefully this gets fixed in a month or so.
If you mean Nurgle Daemons; there isn't one. This game mode only makes use of the pre-packaged Combat Patrol boxes. The Daemons only have one box, which is the Khorne Daemons one. There is the Death Guard box, which are Nurgle Marines, but I wouldn't advise getting that unless you like Typhus as it does not have an amazing base to build for DG.
I'm trying to understand. If I buy a combat control that is currently on their website, will it come with the 10th ed rules, or are some of them still only 9th ed versions. I wanna pick up 2 to play with my brother, but idk
Unfortunately they gave us the option in 9th for the Black Templars to build the crusaders as either all melee or all shooting and the combat patrol rules have a split melee/shooting build lol nothing a spare squad can't fix though
Curious if this is supposed to inspire some kind of "buy a box" kind of tournament structure, kind of like they sometimes do Magic tournaments with just a stack of booster packs
my local flg is doing a combat patrol tournament, which im not sure how i feel about considering some of the disparaty between armies and not being able to pick your own weapons.
@@rmkarros I haven't had a detailed look at every single Patrol yet, but I personally feel like weapon loadout choice shouldn't be such a huge problem, as current 40k already has all weapon choices accounted for in the units' points costs.
@dekai7992 The issue is I can't choose it, like I can't take two squads of cadians with grenade launcher and plasma no instead I have to take a Flamer and melta in one of those squads. same with the field guns. I can't just choose one type of gun for the two models in the unit, instead thay had to be different (i.e one bombard and one rocket system in the same unit) when I would have made them the same for simplicity of rules.
They're going to need to update the balance on the Combat Patrols, hopefully sooner rather than later. The CPs with strong vehicles have a monumental advantage over those that don't. Some CPs are entirely infantry with maybe a handful of weapons hitting at strength 8 or 9 with a few hitting higher, while other have vehicles with toughness going as high as 11 like the Wraithlord for the Aeldari. The World Eater's CP does not have a single way to wound the Wraithlord, or any of the vehicles t9+ on anything better than a 5, and in reverse, that Wraithlord wounds everything in the mode on a 3+ at worst. Already saw one game of Guard vs Aeldari where the Wraithlord used their fate dice to 1 shot the Guard's Armoured Sentinel turn 1, and proceeded to steamroll the rest of the game because nothing could deal with it.
This is exactly why I don't want to play this game mode. I dont want to be SOLD pre-determined match up chances, especially as a World Eaters player. Our entire CP is just medium speed melee units with all our best buffs gutted and one bottom-tier character who gets his ass kicked by every other "centerpiece" CP model. Anything with half-decent ranged weapons has a free open season the entire first turn. What little strategy World Eaters had has been removed and the ONLY strategy is run right at the enemy and hope the sheer number of bodies clogs their sight lines enough to close the gap without getting battleshocked.
@@mattyno964 Yeah, it's not very well balanced, even with tweaks. Aeldari get a Farseer, 11 Guardian Defenders, 6 Windriders and a Wraithlord. The Farseer only loses one ability, and so does the Wraithlord, while the GD and Windriders get to keep their normal abilities fully intact. Their army rule, Strands of Fate, is functionally identical but instead of 6 dice per battle round you roll 12 at the start of the game. In contrast, World Eaters just get one HEAVILY nerfed Lord on Juggernaut (He loses both his abilities, both of which are actually really good), 20 Khorne Berzerkers (Who also lose their only ability for no reason), and 10 Jackals, who, you guessed it, lose their ability. They also completely GUTTED the Blessings of Khorne army rule, with only three possible buffs, being a 6+ FNP, Fight on Death or Lethal Hits. Since they also removed ALL the abilities from every unit, the Berzerkers and Jackals can't even re-roll their own blessings with icons (which is nearly the entire point of even having jackals, and despite the fact they are explicitly described as having the icons in the mandatory loadout section), meaning getting any buff other than a 6+ FNP is completely random. In an Aeldari vs World Eaters CP matchup of equal skill, the Aeldari will have nearly a 100% winrate. There is NOTHING the World Eaters can do with pitiful ranged attacks (only 7 plasma pistols in the entire army, and the rest is bolt pistols ONLY) and only 6" movement (except for the Juggernaut at 10") while the Aeldari just run circles around them for the entire round. Quite literally, the World Eaters cannot possibly catch the Windriders, who have over double the movement speed of Berzerkers. And the Wraithknight, who isn't even the main Lord of War, can easily 1v1 the Lord on Juggernaut with his t11 toughness (Juggernaut can only hit on 5 wheras Wraithknight can easily hit him on 3. Wraithknight also has 3 more wounds, a 2+ save, and just has outright better attacking profiles on both melee and ranged, while being only 2" slower), taking him out of the fight nearly immediately. Not to mention, thanks to the Aeldari keeping many of their unit abilities, the Windriders still get to re-roll their rolls to hit, ensuring they just keep killing the t4 Berzerkers, and the Guardian Defenders KEEP their Strands of Fate re-rolls while on objectives, despite the World Eaters LOSING that EXACT SAME ability for Blessings of Khorne. Farseer can also give his army -1 to wound. So even if the World Eaters, against 99:1 odds, managed to actually get into engagement with the enemy, they are still statistically likely to lose due to the amount of re-rolls and Strands of Fate dice Aeldari get to keep for no reason. So like I said just above you in the replies, I have ZERO interest in playing CP with my main army since I don't particularly find getting smacked around with terrible unit synergy as a fun way to spend an hour of my time.
a lot of mis understanding the rules and that units lose abilties etc in combat patrol compared to normal index, like Adeptus Mechanicus, Kataphron Detroyers dont have the abilties section to be affected by the faction rule, where in the normal index it does gain it), or Ghostkeel can shrug off 2 attacks with drones normally, in combat patrol it doesnt have that ability to do so.
I expect there will be a few updated Combat Patrol box sets released with Codexes. Death Guard CP is lacking. The Chaos Daemons CP is all Khorne, not particularly bad but very Red.
Feel like it’s unbalanced hence a guard box set is like 390 pointe where as a custodies box is almost 800 points don’t see how that’s a even match up in the slightest but maybe I’m missing something
@@kingxerocole4616well I have a question then, is there a way to play a combat patrol sized game with out using the combat patrol rules? Or has 40k rules changed so much that combat patrol sized games don’t happens outside of the combat patrol game mode?
@@dominicesquivel3901 You absolutely can play combat patrol sized games without the rules. You would just be opening more options for you and your opponent, which could be more fun. It might also make it way slower. Combat Patrol removes a lot of options so that it's a faster game, which I like. I would recommend looking at the combat patrol army lists and agreeing with your opponent on what you'd like to change.
Ill bet World Eaters players are really happy they get to start every game having half their army tabled by ranged weapons since their box FORCES them to zerg rush with only 6" melee units with mediocre saves and wounds.
Combat Patrol is great for beginners or if you want a quick match, but it has limited appeal to experienced players who are accustomed to 2000 pts army battles. I appreciate that GW did their best to balance the CP boxes against each other, and the unique characters and enhancement choices provide compelling gameplay opportunities that are worth trying, but there’s no arguing that some CP armies are objectively better than others. For example, the Aeldari CP box has the Wraithlord, which is one of the most powerful units in 10e (right now), giving the Aeldari CP army a huge advantage. If I’m going to lose a battle, I’d prefer to lose with the army I built rather than a fixed CP army.
I want someone to explain to me how the black templar box and the custodies box's are equal in player power. I rolled well above average in the game and was dunked on. I could not kill him and he could not, not kill me. Worst balance I have ever come across in any table top have ever.
The templar combat patrol kit is a joke. It has (I think) 1 crusader squad, a hq or 2, an elite and a tank. But it only equals out to something like under 20 models. When half of them are scouts, they can be killed by 1 custodian squad
@Jerry2die4 Bad, I was knocked off of the no man's land objective in the first turn. The my home objective was taken when I was tabled turn 3. So I scored like 5.
had this same experience with necrons vs daemons combat patrols. opponent beat me out by like 20vp every round. there is definitely some power disparity between some of these boxes, that i hope GW fixes soon
I have watched already a couple of your videos but if i might give one point of complain/advice... pls speak more vivid/animated... it's allways monotone and after a couple of minutes my brain drifts away cause of this. I like the diashow with the text, looks like a university project everytime and its a good job but pls work on the presentation with the voice, dont be monotone
Box vs box... custom datacard, strats and so. Literally standalone play. You can field your own miniatures but you have to use the rules in the box so its standard box vs box. As far as I can tell, the contents of the leviathan box tyranids are also used in part in the combat patrol box, so if you use the free nids combat patrol in whc and have purchased the leviathan box, you are all set up.
Combat patrol perhaps is the new low of wasted time, on par with tabletop games like lost patrol, killteam overkill, assasinorum and etc. You know what brought new players to play their boxset? a Killteam, prior to 8th edition. All models are separate units, pick 3 specialist, and just play the rules from your codex. This new gizmo gw pushes is dead on arrival.
Combat patrol has been by far my most favorite way to play since release, I'm currently buying every combat patrol box so all my friends can try out armies before going into them. It feels so much more like a board game than 40k and is nice to play a few games with some food and drinks to have a good time!
I am doing the same, although it is going to be a while before they are painted.
Good gods man... Do you not have a pile of shame? Making the rest of us look bad.
Same! I just bought grey knights and I already had tau and space marines. Gonna get chaos demons and death guard next, they look so fun
This is what I was wanting to hear, basically "buy a box [for this specific format that's not just 'regular 40k scaled down'] and you're done," so it incentivizes you to try more than one army instead of having to buy hundreds of dollars worth of stuff just to be able to field one army.
@@dracosummonerWhat I don't like is since I've been playing for ten years and prefer smaller scale games of 40k I need the exact combat patrol to try this.
This is great. I was worried that the combat patrol missions would be locked up on the rulebook, which would appear to be antithetical to the idea of the new combat patrol. I’m glad this is not the case!
There's a combat patrol tournament at the games workshop store in Halifax nova scotia on December 3rd 2023 from 10am to 11am. This video is much needed to refresh and learn up for that.
The GW site has all combat patrols accounted for, including Space Marines, Tyranids, and Necrons. Space Marines and Tyranids use subset of units from the Leviathan box.
I really like the rules on first readthrough. It seems like combat patrols could be a fun launching point for crusades: a relatively even launching point from which new collectors and longtime players can grow and customize their forces (and gradually phase in the complete gameplay rules).
What about knights?
@amangonemad5117 shhhhh sweet child it'll be OK
i like the idea of combat patrol making 40k a potential thing to include in game nights with friends. like a game that doesnt have a million models to set up and takes 1 to 2 instead of 3 to 5 hours to play seems really nice for playing some 40k in a more casual "hanging out" kinda way
I think the next round Combat Patrol boxes has the potential to be very balanced and competitive. I look forward to seeing how GW continues with this.
Some of the combat patrol are absolute ballers for both starting a collection and having a fun time but GODDAYUM the Space Marine box is insanely underpowered and unfun to work with, 4 units and 2 of them are characters and 1 of them cant be attached to anything, its insane.
The blood angels is a better generic SM box lol
Dark Angels is very nice.
Hopefully GW still releases the datasheets for the original space marine box...especially since I bought that box for that purpose lol
Not going to happen. The old box is discontinued.
Damn and I wanted to do a white scars SM. Oh well I was eyeing the Orks and World eaters. Luv me krumpin and also love the khorne zerker helmets
Even if this is just a bit of fun, and/or a stepping stone to 1000 points for new players, it will more than serve its purpose.
It's a friendly game mode, so I see no reason not to tweak loadouts to trybout other things, with the other player's consent of course.
Very interested to see how they expand on this when the codex's come around. Hoping for more options, say units you can switch out for others as you build your collection. Army builder lite so to speak.
Auspex, do you actually regularly play the tabbletop yourself between videos or do you just analyze the game? If so which armies or gamemodes do you like to play, would be fun to see a match played by you on dicecheck with bricky when you have so much knowledge on the rules im interest in seeing how you'll play. Have a nice day!
Mordian glory did a kind of post battle report with him a while back, though they didn’t film it while playing and he just talked about how he game while showing pictures. I think auspex played knights while mordian took guard (obviously).
It would be cool it they sent out updated rosters with new units for each combat patrol faction.
@14:36
Deep Strike puts the unit in Reserves, not Strategic Reserves. So the Deep Strike unit CAN be deployed on the first round, unlike Strategic Reserves which have to wait until round 2.
EDIT: Sorry I was wrong! p6 of Combat Patrol does have special rules. “Reserves units can never arrive on the battlefield in the first battle round any reserves unit that has not arrived on the battlefield by the end of the third battle round counts as having been destroyed as do any units embarked within them”
Some advice is buying combat patrols at a LGS is far better than ordering from anywhere, store near me sold combat all their patrols at 127$ instead of the usual 160$ from GW stores.
dang i wish my store was that cheap, they're selling them for 176
Keen to try this mode. It looks easy to get into and a good gateway into the hobby. The battle reports I've seen of it so far looked fun.
its a very good way to start with the hobby cus you can have all tools and paints with the set for less then 200 euros
and it has prettyh much all the info you need
im gonna have to get those field ordinance batteries for my cadians. already have a few squads, command squad and sentinel :)
I think GW should license an official Combat Patrol computer game, I think people would love that.
Dunno if you noticed but in the warhammer community post it has pics of the new tyranids and space marine combat patrols
The pics and overview are in the rulebook, too.
@@dekai7992 yeah I was told, I don't have the rulebook so it was new to me lol
Buying and painting a Marines Malevolent Combat Patrol continues to stick around in my brain. I kinda wish it would stop! But maybe it's not negotiable, and I have an extravagant and frivolous purchase to make at some point in the future. And I hate yellow!
Best warhammer channel ever
Will probably end up following most of the index rules and building/tweaking combat patrols to play with friends. Sad the old phobos marines box didnt get rules but the units are close enough to some of the other space marine boxes we can make it work for casual games
Some of these boxes are waaay better than others.
They've got all sorts of nerfs and buffs to balance it out. They can keep editing the balance as needed too now that the rules are online (if they bother...).
Hey James Workshop, if all the loadouts are the same points, why are we locked to one loadout in combat patrol?
More often than not, they have the worst loadout, too.
ANSWER THAT. JAMES WORKSHOP
this is my bigest gripe about it. like why cant I equip my two cadian squads the same way, or why do I have to take two difrent types of field ordance batteries.
The only person that can stop you is the person you're playing against. Work it out with them, then have fun.
Presumably to try to enhance balance between the different boxes, hence unfluffy stuff like bolter variant dark angel inceptors. I would model according to preference and agree to disapply WYSIWYG with your opponent as necessary.
what are the odds that i got both DA & T'au CP boxes today and Auspex uses them as the intro picture
I was worried about the MASSIVE points differences between each box, but with the army-specific rules, it seems alright..? I haven't played 10th Ed just yet, and I don't plan on playing Combat Patrol since my homies and I prefer 1000+pts games. But for those who have played Combat Patrol, how is it and how do you feel about it?
Combat patrol are in general really really nice. Indeed.
I didn't realize Combat Patrol's rules were entirely free and online. That might justify me picking up a ComPat box as an art project that I can also play with.
I was a bit confused because in the core rulebook only one leader can lead a unit with minor exceptions(apothecary etc)
In the SM force, it had both terminator captain and terminator librarian. I was stumped thinking that the loadout won't work unless you want to sacrifice one leader.
Seems now the combat patrol insists you attach both the captain and librarian to the terminator squad.
Still, I may offer a 500 point match in lieu of any combat patrol box.
dunno if this is irrelevant to you now but in case you are still confused heres the thing. Generally you can indeed only attach one leader to any given unit, but there are exceptions. These come in two forms, i will use the ones i know from the armies i paly but they will have similar ones for marines etc.
option one is that a leader may have an ability, typically specified on the back of the datacard, and then the bottom righthand corner, which allows for it to join a unit which already has a certain type of leader. An example would be the necrons cryptech lords, which all may attach themselves onto a unit as long as the existing leader of that unit is a noble.
the second option can be found on the ork boyz, which have an ability to allow themselves to be led by two leaders, so long as one of the leaders has the warboss tag.
this is why some setups have units with multiple leader
Thanks for the info.
Thoughts on swapping out a unit for another if it’s the same points cost? For example a psychophage for a carnifex both are 125 points?
Playing with friends and adjusting stats a bit I’m sure you’ll be able to make it balanced, but from what I’ve seen combat patrol doesn’t seem to focus on point values much so it might not be inherently balanced.
Are core strategems allowed or just the ones on your patrol datasheet?
Quite sure Core strategems are allowed in CP. Rules don't say otherwise and my Chaos Daemons CP has a strategem that interacts with Overwatch.
in the netherlands compat sets are 100 to 110 euros not 125
Very realistic, datasheets as seen through the bolt pistol visor.
Got my first game of combat patrol in 2 days ago and am I crazy or are the faction secondary's not included in combat patrol indices in the app? I can't find them anywhere in there.
Time to play some Warhammer 40K: Gateway Drug! I mean.... Combat Patrol 😬
Thank you! I had a rough start. Not clear how Space Wolves deal with the DA Redemptor. Possibly by switching to a Ghostkeel...
Great video buddy, informative and a useful guide to the combat patrol game, I will definitely try this mode😀😀
Do you think gw would launch new combat patrol boxes? I hope so
Interesting, i never Player combat patrol, but i think i will give it a chance
It would be cool if they introduced some new game modes, like a last line of defense game mode where your squad of space marines have to survive against waves of enemies
The drone changes to tau has me utterly confused with their combat patrol. On the opening army listing, it mentions Fire Warrior Shas’ui having a marker drone and so does Stealth Shas’vre. However, the box listing has shield drones which no one appears to be equipped with? The actual index sheet for the mentions above only has shas'vre getting a marker drone.
Probably doesn't help I'm new anyway, but it seems like that box is a bit of a mess with the rules.
RAW it seems only the Stealth Suit team will be able to benefit from having the drone (i.e. advance and still Observe). I hope after Leviathan calms down silly errors like this will get updated.
So it seems you'll basically end up with extra drone tokens you can only use in larger games of 40K (like adding a Shield Drone to the Strike Team Shas'ui as pictured).
@mrchupee yeah. Interestingly, I did finally open up my leviathan launch box and the codex there lists out x drones for certain models but not who gets what. But the quick flipping through had no indexes for equipment.
Like you said, hopefully this gets fixed in a month or so.
"How to play" is a misleading title to this video as nowhere is there a breakdown or example of gameplay.
That's why you gotta watch the Playlist...
I think it's a good video. I am a complete noob and he pointed out what sites to go to, such as the core rules. Most videos I watch skip these.
Thank you for this great guide!
Am I doing something wrong? I cant find a Nurgle army.
If you mean Nurgle Daemons; there isn't one. This game mode only makes use of the pre-packaged Combat Patrol boxes. The Daemons only have one box, which is the Khorne Daemons one. There is the Death Guard box, which are Nurgle Marines, but I wouldn't advise getting that unless you like Typhus as it does not have an amazing base to build for DG.
There is a death guard combat patrol but the chaos demons one is khorne only
I'm trying to understand. If I buy a combat control that is currently on their website, will it come with the 10th ed rules, or are some of them still only 9th ed versions. I wanna pick up 2 to play with my brother, but idk
Good question!
Thanks for awsome tutorial, again :)
Thank you for another great video guide!
To be fair, as gear is fixed in the Combat Patrol forces being monopose is no drawback
Unfortunately they gave us the option in 9th for the Black Templars to build the crusaders as either all melee or all shooting and the combat patrol rules have a split melee/shooting build lol nothing a spare squad can't fix though
Can we use regular stratagems in this game mod?
Curious if this is supposed to inspire some kind of "buy a box" kind of tournament structure, kind of like they sometimes do Magic tournaments with just a stack of booster packs
my local flg is doing a combat patrol tournament, which im not sure how i feel about considering some of the disparaty between armies and not being able to pick your own weapons.
@@rmkarros
I haven't had a detailed look at every single Patrol yet, but I personally feel like weapon loadout choice shouldn't be such a huge problem, as current 40k already has all weapon choices accounted for in the units' points costs.
@dekai7992 The issue is I can't choose it, like I can't take two squads of cadians with grenade launcher and plasma no instead I have to take a Flamer and melta in one of those squads. same with the field guns. I can't just choose one type of gun for the two models in the unit, instead thay had to be different (i.e one bombard and one rocket system in the same unit) when I would have made them the same for simplicity of rules.
Could we get a ranking of Combat Patrols?
They're going to need to update the balance on the Combat Patrols, hopefully sooner rather than later. The CPs with strong vehicles have a monumental advantage over those that don't. Some CPs are entirely infantry with maybe a handful of weapons hitting at strength 8 or 9 with a few hitting higher, while other have vehicles with toughness going as high as 11 like the Wraithlord for the Aeldari. The World Eater's CP does not have a single way to wound the Wraithlord, or any of the vehicles t9+ on anything better than a 5, and in reverse, that Wraithlord wounds everything in the mode on a 3+ at worst. Already saw one game of Guard vs Aeldari where the Wraithlord used their fate dice to 1 shot the Guard's Armoured Sentinel turn 1, and proceeded to steamroll the rest of the game because nothing could deal with it.
This is exactly why I don't want to play this game mode. I dont want to be SOLD pre-determined match up chances, especially as a World Eaters player. Our entire CP is just medium speed melee units with all our best buffs gutted and one bottom-tier character who gets his ass kicked by every other "centerpiece" CP model. Anything with half-decent ranged weapons has a free open season the entire first turn. What little strategy World Eaters had has been removed and the ONLY strategy is run right at the enemy and hope the sheer number of bodies clogs their sight lines enough to close the gap without getting battleshocked.
Is this taking into account all the balancing they've done with tweaks to rules, abilities etc. Specific to combat patrol?
@@mattyno964 Yeah, it's not very well balanced, even with tweaks. Aeldari get a Farseer, 11 Guardian Defenders, 6 Windriders and a Wraithlord. The Farseer only loses one ability, and so does the Wraithlord, while the GD and Windriders get to keep their normal abilities fully intact. Their army rule, Strands of Fate, is functionally identical but instead of 6 dice per battle round you roll 12 at the start of the game.
In contrast, World Eaters just get one HEAVILY nerfed Lord on Juggernaut (He loses both his abilities, both of which are actually really good), 20 Khorne Berzerkers (Who also lose their only ability for no reason), and 10 Jackals, who, you guessed it, lose their ability. They also completely GUTTED the Blessings of Khorne army rule, with only three possible buffs, being a 6+ FNP, Fight on Death or Lethal Hits. Since they also removed ALL the abilities from every unit, the Berzerkers and Jackals can't even re-roll their own blessings with icons (which is nearly the entire point of even having jackals, and despite the fact they are explicitly described as having the icons in the mandatory loadout section), meaning getting any buff other than a 6+ FNP is completely random.
In an Aeldari vs World Eaters CP matchup of equal skill, the Aeldari will have nearly a 100% winrate. There is NOTHING the World Eaters can do with pitiful ranged attacks (only 7 plasma pistols in the entire army, and the rest is bolt pistols ONLY) and only 6" movement (except for the Juggernaut at 10") while the Aeldari just run circles around them for the entire round. Quite literally, the World Eaters cannot possibly catch the Windriders, who have over double the movement speed of Berzerkers. And the Wraithknight, who isn't even the main Lord of War, can easily 1v1 the Lord on Juggernaut with his t11 toughness (Juggernaut can only hit on 5 wheras Wraithknight can easily hit him on 3. Wraithknight also has 3 more wounds, a 2+ save, and just has outright better attacking profiles on both melee and ranged, while being only 2" slower), taking him out of the fight nearly immediately.
Not to mention, thanks to the Aeldari keeping many of their unit abilities, the Windriders still get to re-roll their rolls to hit, ensuring they just keep killing the t4 Berzerkers, and the Guardian Defenders KEEP their Strands of Fate re-rolls while on objectives, despite the World Eaters LOSING that EXACT SAME ability for Blessings of Khorne. Farseer can also give his army -1 to wound. So even if the World Eaters, against 99:1 odds, managed to actually get into engagement with the enemy, they are still statistically likely to lose due to the amount of re-rolls and Strands of Fate dice Aeldari get to keep for no reason.
So like I said just above you in the replies, I have ZERO interest in playing CP with my main army since I don't particularly find getting smacked around with terrible unit synergy as a fun way to spend an hour of my time.
I don't think people will be insisting on WYSIWYG in combat patrol. I know I won't. Build the models however you like
a lot of mis understanding the rules and that units lose abilties etc in combat patrol compared to normal index, like Adeptus Mechanicus, Kataphron Detroyers dont have the abilties section to be affected by the faction rule, where in the normal index it does gain it), or Ghostkeel can shrug off 2 attacks with drones normally, in combat patrol it doesnt have that ability to do so.
Likely as intended since they’re rebalanced due to boxes containing different point values.
I expect there will be a few updated Combat Patrol box sets released with Codexes.
Death Guard CP is lacking. The Chaos Daemons CP is all Khorne, not particularly bad but very Red.
The levithan box set was a big buy. I didn't even think about the game board.... oof
Feel like it’s unbalanced hence a guard box set is like 390 pointe where as a custodies box is almost 800 points don’t see how that’s a even match up in the slightest but maybe I’m missing something
Just to confirm, the combat patrols are pre-determined lists?
Yes, the army combat patrol list tells you exactly which units you get and their wargear.
@@kingxerocole4616well I have a question then, is there a way to play a combat patrol sized game with out using the combat patrol rules? Or has 40k rules changed so much that combat patrol sized games don’t happens outside of the combat patrol game mode?
@@dominicesquivel3901 You absolutely can play combat patrol sized games without the rules. You would just be opening more options for you and your opponent, which could be more fun. It might also make it way slower. Combat Patrol removes a lot of options so that it's a faster game, which I like. I would recommend looking at the combat patrol army lists and agreeing with your opponent on what you'd like to change.
does anyone know if you can also use the core stratagems or just the stratagems in each CP?
AFAIK you can also use the core ones
Ill bet World Eaters players are really happy they get to start every game having half their army tabled by ranged weapons since their box FORCES them to zerg rush with only 6" melee units with mediocre saves and wounds.
For new players build them however you think that they look cool..….. “what you see is what you get” - is not a rule
Why is this video in your Ren'Py playlist? 😅
Combat Patrol is great for beginners or if you want a quick match, but it has limited appeal to experienced players who are accustomed to 2000 pts army battles.
I appreciate that GW did their best to balance the CP boxes against each other, and the unique characters and enhancement choices provide compelling gameplay opportunities that are worth trying, but there’s no arguing that some CP armies are objectively better than others. For example, the Aeldari CP box has the Wraithlord, which is one of the most powerful units in 10e (right now), giving the Aeldari CP army a huge advantage.
If I’m going to lose a battle, I’d prefer to lose with the army I built rather than a fixed CP army.
I want someone to explain to me how the black templar box and the custodies box's are equal in player power. I rolled well above average in the game and was dunked on. I could not kill him and he could not, not kill me. Worst balance I have ever come across in any table top have ever.
The templar combat patrol kit is a joke.
It has (I think) 1 crusader squad, a hq or 2, an elite and a tank.
But it only equals out to something like under 20 models. When half of them are scouts, they can be killed by 1 custodian squad
how did the victory points look? even if you get tabled, if you win on points, that's still a win
@Jerry2die4 Bad, I was knocked off of the no man's land objective in the first turn. The my home objective was taken when I was tabled turn 3. So I scored like 5.
had this same experience with necrons vs daemons combat patrols. opponent beat me out by like 20vp every round. there is definitely some power disparity between some of these boxes, that i hope GW fixes soon
Did your Opponent play with all the minis out of the CP box? Because on the Custodes rules it states either bikes or guards
I have watched already a couple of your videos but if i might give one point of complain/advice... pls speak more vivid/animated... it's allways monotone and after a couple of minutes my brain drifts away cause of this. I like the diashow with the text, looks like a university project everytime and its a good job but pls work on the presentation with the voice, dont be monotone
I always thought I was fluent in English, than this bloke comes around and I don’t understand a word…
So... is this a Box vs Box format??
Or you can board a 500pts army??
Box vs Box
Box vs box... custom datacard, strats and so. Literally standalone play. You can field your own miniatures but you have to use the rules in the box so its standard box vs box.
As far as I can tell, the contents of the leviathan box tyranids are also used in part in the combat patrol box, so if you use the free nids combat patrol in whc and have purchased the leviathan box, you are all set up.
Its box v box.
Always thought it but damn that dark angels box is pretty bad value for the amount of plastic
Your voice reminds me of a certain political commentator, though I cant put my finger on who exactly...
i was on board until i saw the weird forced loadouts. big turnoff
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Combat patrol perhaps is the new low of wasted time, on par with tabletop games like lost patrol, killteam overkill, assasinorum and etc.
You know what brought new players to play their boxset? a Killteam, prior to 8th edition. All models are separate units, pick 3 specialist, and just play the rules from your codex.
This new gizmo gw pushes is dead on arrival.
Show me your face
Someone have some news about the point value for legend horus heresy unit ?