@@russellbaldry5095 oh really, that’s interesting! Other than new builds I don’t really come across them! Nice little boilers though to be fair - like you say, nice to install although I’ve only done about 3
Getting this alot on ideals i work on..tech says change gas valve, change fan still no joy...interesting thing i found is if you open the black sump cover it stops the rumbling...its as if something is blocking exhaust gasses on low fire ...checked flue all clear but still happens..we fit glow worms now
@@deanmitsis67 really frustrating when a manufacturer knows there’s an issue but doesn’t either acknowledge or rectify it! It’s a shame as they’re pretty good boilers, especially for the money - but same issues on all of them! Thanks for watching!!
Midlands we install baxi/main predominantly unless its customers preference. The metal plate in the burner can be springy if the weld goes on the back left hand side (visible when you take the fan off), see if you can push it down as it shouldn’t move at all.. that can cause noise alot of the time. Didn’t realise the injector could be unwound! Learn something new everyday
@@Sheldon1991 it’s quite interesting the difference in regions and what’s being fitted! That’s right, I should have shown testing that but it missed the final edit 🤦🏽♂️ this filming lark is a massive learning curve 😂 Appreciate you watching and getting involved!
@@gunsey876 I’ve never had it personally but heard people have. It’s a shame there’s so many causes, can often leave you looking silly to the customer looking for a needle in a haystack 😂
I had one the other day sounded like a trombone on minimum, done full strip, ideal confirmed change gas valve, makes same tune with the new one 🙄, I’m thinking wrong fan speed as I’ve give it a good clean out and it’s only 4 yr old
Just in case you don’t know , the baffle plate in the burner can have a weld break and make it loose. That would also cause that noise. Didn’t see you check it so just a heads up 👍🏻
@@diamondheatingandplumbingl2064 that’s right, you can feel when they’ve gone quite easily. Unfortunately not everything gets filmed or sometimes gets cut in the edit! But you’re right, that can definitely cause this too! Thanks for watching!
Yeah it’s usually the spot weld at the back opposite the fan hole. Just been to one today its failed but not causing proplems. Sometimes they sound like a trumpet. Thumbs up. Sometimes they do sometimes they dont.
@@markchristohperowen6806 yeah 100%! Always worth a check. And to be fair, a nice easy fix that makes such a difference to customers but doesn’t give us too much pain 😂
@@Bertie211 some do some dont. i wont go into details but you can test the noisy ones, personally id replace. saves a callback. at the end of the day its not a permanent fix.
Just a heads up Ideals should be analysed with the front cover fitted. Non adjustable gas valve so no need for the front cover to be off when doing the f.g.a
It was done with both the cover on and off - probably should have showed that in the video edit! I’m still new to filming, some things get missed or cut🤦🏽♂️ appreciate you watching and commenting!
@@lostinthoughtscalminsilenc8167 a small bottle brush might work - I’ve always just used wire wool through the middle though. On the outside, you can use 15mm pipe cleaner.
Just a little tip, wire wool should never be used inside the boiler as it sheds material and can find its way into areas that will cause damage, it can become magnetic, in clumps it can flash burn etc, any abrasive used inside a unit will cause debris, but wire wool is the worst, better to remove and clean away from the unit and thoroughly rinse or vacuum the debris away.
@@flippinheck yeah they always get rinsed off properly first (video doesn’t show everything). I’ve actually started using something different so look out for another video soon - the round pipe cleaners instead and a barrel cleaning cloth for the inside! Thanks for watching!
@@bluedwarf8858 case was definitely in correctly, screwed in at the bottom and sitting on the top two lugs. The noise was also occurring with the case off. The injector issue is quite common. Thanks for watching!
@@andyc7946 you most likely have a diverter valve issue if it’s a combi boiler or a passing zone valve/3 port valve if it’s a system with a cylinder! Those are the most probably causes. You can test this by seeing if the radiators getting hot coincide with the hot water being on. There’s another video on my channel showing a diverte valve cartridge replacement on an @atagheating combi boiler
@@lostinthoughtscalminsilenc8167 it was, just not in the video edit. Readings were in the correct parameters both case on and off. Thanks for watching!
You asked on north south. When you get a customer who phones you while your an a ski lift after you were already on the phone with technical and booked a proved warranty call and you have to explain an f75 error is being caused by a pcb fault to their engineer you stop fitting their boilers. I guess what il saying is their north engineer dont want to get on with the job. Im north wales.
Ideal sump cracks, little extra efforts to open them. Aluminium Heat exchanger blocks if not serviced. Vaillant pure same. Pro and plus are better but expensive. Easy to repair. Pcb F28 and diverer valves leaks. Worcester. Most reliable boiler and quality components until breaks. , most difficult to daignose repair. Poorest design. Baxi. Feels cheap but easy to repair. Not expensive. Easiest ti install all once u know the tricks. All pipes are flexible to angles. Telescope and Uv protected flue. Main eco compact half price and no quality compromise. Only down side is rubber flue seal. For me, Main (Baxi) in the south. If the customer is rich then Vaillant brand will keep him happy. Respect to everyone's choice. If installed correctly, then all are fairly reliable.
@@NNP100 good analysis there. My premium boiler I fit at the moment is the ATAG - really well made boiler, all brass and steel components aside from the condense. Also about to give Viessmann a try as they’re very reasonably priced, especially for what the boiler boasts! As you say, all installed correctly are pretty similar!
@@RJHeating You should look at the price of Viessmann parts before you burden your customers with those future costs. Check out the price of an Expansion Vessel & PRV for a Vitodens 100-W, for example.
@@alunt2003 yeah they are a little more expensive, but seemingly a better boiler. Definitely something to factor in and obviously not for every client! I like having a range of boilers I fit and always give my clients 3 options.
Each boiler has weak points. There are more weak points on many other brand boilers that manufactures wouldnt honour warranties. Bosch valliant and glowworm included.
That was an interesting one Ritchie. Thanks for that. Experience shining through n through❤
@@ArifPolicewala thanks for watching Arif! It was quite fun to work on something different 😂 funnily enough had 2 with the same issue in one week!
@@RJHeating there’s always a trend of same or similar issues it follows you around for a week or two
@@ArifPolicewala true! Wouldn’t mind these following me for a while! 😂😂
Great stuff a RJ thanks for the vid
No worries Charlie! Thanks for watching!!
Majority of my installs are logics probably 80%. South London, my fav boilers because they are nice to install and easy to service.
@@russellbaldry5095 oh really, that’s interesting! Other than new builds I don’t really come across them! Nice little boilers though to be fair - like you say, nice to install although I’ve only done about 3
Tbf brother..all times I've had this problem so far its always been the injector..
Nice upload and info👍
@@Carl-re6zb thank you, appreciate you watching! I’d say 9/10 it’s going to be this. But still so many alternatives!
Getting this alot on ideals i work on..tech says change gas valve, change fan still no joy...interesting thing i found is if you open the black sump cover it stops the rumbling...its as if something is blocking exhaust gasses on low fire ...checked flue all clear but still happens..we fit glow worms now
@@deanmitsis67 really frustrating when a manufacturer knows there’s an issue but doesn’t either acknowledge or rectify it! It’s a shame as they’re pretty good boilers, especially for the money - but same issues on all of them! Thanks for watching!!
Nice job
@@ian.M440 cheers Ian! Appreciate you watching!
Midlands we install baxi/main predominantly unless its customers preference.
The metal plate in the burner can be springy if the weld goes on the back left hand side (visible when you take the fan off), see if you can push it down as it shouldn’t move at all.. that can cause noise alot of the time.
Didn’t realise the injector could be unwound! Learn something new everyday
@@Sheldon1991 it’s quite interesting the difference in regions and what’s being fitted!
That’s right, I should have shown testing that but it missed the final edit 🤦🏽♂️ this filming lark is a massive learning curve 😂
Appreciate you watching and getting involved!
I'm in the midlands, fit WB and Ideal. Baxi a few times a year.
@@hunterb9273 you’re bang smack in the middle which proves the theory even more!
every other boiler in London is a Vaillant 😂😂
I've had similar noises on logics debris on the gauze in the bottom of the gas valve
@@gunsey876 I’ve never had it personally but heard people have. It’s a shame there’s so many causes, can often leave you looking silly to the customer looking for a needle in a haystack 😂
This fixes it 90% of times in my experience. Take gas valve off turn it upside down and give it a good tap and you’ll see all the crap fall out
I had one the other day sounded like a trombone on minimum, done full strip, ideal confirmed change gas valve, makes same tune with the new one 🙄, I’m thinking wrong fan speed as I’ve give it a good clean out and it’s only 4 yr old
@ oh that’s odd. No crack in the burner? What about the burner plate?
@ yeah it’s crazy how much you get out of them isn’t it!
Just in case you don’t know , the baffle plate in the burner can have a weld break and make it loose. That would also cause that noise. Didn’t see you check it so just a heads up 👍🏻
@@diamondheatingandplumbingl2064 that’s right, you can feel when they’ve gone quite easily. Unfortunately not everything gets filmed or sometimes gets cut in the edit! But you’re right, that can definitely cause this too! Thanks for watching!
Yeah it’s usually the spot weld at the back opposite the fan hole. Just been to one today its failed but not causing proplems. Sometimes they sound like a trumpet. Thumbs up. Sometimes they do sometimes they dont.
@@markchristohperowen6806 yeah 100%! Always worth a check. And to be fair, a nice easy fix that makes such a difference to customers but doesn’t give us too much pain 😂
I’ve had loads where the spot weld has a break no noise
@@Bertie211 some do some dont. i wont go into details but you can test the noisy ones, personally id replace. saves a callback. at the end of the day its not a permanent fix.
Just a heads up Ideals should be analysed with the front cover fitted. Non adjustable gas valve so no need for the front cover to be off when doing the f.g.a
It was done with both the cover on and off - probably should have showed that in the video edit! I’m still new to filming, some things get missed or cut🤦🏽♂️ appreciate you watching and commenting!
Hi How much did you charge for that ?
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@@charliefox6987 ❤️
I’m in Yorkshire, I’m mainly working on the ideal logic range and Worcester si and CDI the odd vokera
Yeah I find boilers are becoming very regional! Seems like not many Vaillant’s up north?
@ hardly any vaillants up here
@ yeah that’s mad, see I’ve got one Baxi on my books and never see them!
What else can we use to clean that tiny injector bit?
@@lostinthoughtscalminsilenc8167 a small bottle brush might work - I’ve always just used wire wool through the middle though. On the outside, you can use 15mm pipe cleaner.
Small bottle/ hole cleaner brush and Air gun.
@@hunterb9273 I was going to say a gun barrel cleaning cloth/string combination too haha
I had the Venturi full of debris…but I have changed the gas valve in a other terrible design fault
Yeah there’s a few different causes which is annoying! Sometimes just becomes trial and error on these!! Thank you for watching 🙏🏽
I’m south east….worcesters and vaillant….i fit glowworm if I have a choice. Few baxis on my books but not many
@@tomstrutton4351 pretty much the same! Literally 2 Baxi’s on mine including one I installed. A 200 heat only - so light I thought the box was empty 😂
All logics on new build sites across the south West otherwise mostly worcester and vaillant.
@@eddyrrr9988 that’s true! Social housing special too! They must do great offers to main contractors!
A noisy Ideal Logic?! I'm shocked. Shocked! .. Well I'm not that shocked. lol
@@DunkingJaffaCakes 😂😂 pretty sure this video won’t be the only one of its kind 😂
Just a little tip, wire wool should never be used inside the boiler as it sheds material and can find its way into areas that will cause damage, it can become magnetic, in clumps it can flash burn etc, any abrasive used inside a unit will cause debris, but wire wool is the worst, better to remove and clean away from the unit and thoroughly rinse or vacuum the debris away.
@@flippinheck yeah they always get rinsed off properly first (video doesn’t show everything). I’ve actually started using something different so look out for another video soon - the round pipe cleaners instead and a barrel cleaning cloth for the inside! Thanks for watching!
By the looks of it the case wasn't fitted properly as there was a line of dust on the fan, that probably didnt help with the rumbling
@@bluedwarf8858 case was definitely in correctly, screwed in at the bottom and sitting on the top two lugs. The noise was also occurring with the case off. The injector issue is quite common. Thanks for watching!
My heating comes on with the hot water, even with the room stat off.
@@andyc7946 you most likely have a diverter valve issue if it’s a combi boiler or a passing zone valve/3 port valve if it’s a system with a cylinder! Those are the most probably causes. You can test this by seeing if the radiators getting hot coincide with the hot water being on. There’s another video on my channel showing a diverte valve cartridge replacement on an @atagheating combi boiler
More money down south 😂
@@hassanhaleem8979 could be onto something!
Swear you have to test with case on?
@@lostinthoughtscalminsilenc8167 it was, just not in the video edit. Readings were in the correct parameters both case on and off. Thanks for watching!
You asked on north south. When you get a customer who phones you while your an a ski lift after you were already on the phone with technical and booked a proved warranty call and you have to explain an f75 error is being caused by a pcb fault to their engineer you stop fitting their boilers. I guess what il saying is their north engineer dont want to get on with the job. Im north wales.
Most of us have stopped fitting their boilers because of 1 guy that just wants to sit in the van all day
Yeah I bet! That would definitely put me off 😂 on the plus side, how was skiing? 😂
It was livigno italy great place tax free. not as good as Canada Banff area.
You a skier if you are imo don’t bother with whistler;) it’s for party people.
@@markchristohperowen6806 I’ve never been skiing, I’d love to!
Ideal sump cracks, little extra efforts to open them. Aluminium Heat exchanger blocks if not serviced.
Vaillant pure same. Pro and plus are better but expensive. Easy to repair. Pcb F28 and diverer valves leaks.
Worcester. Most reliable boiler and quality components until breaks. , most difficult to daignose repair. Poorest design.
Baxi. Feels cheap but easy to repair. Not expensive. Easiest ti install all once u know the tricks. All pipes are flexible to angles. Telescope and Uv protected flue. Main eco compact half price and no quality compromise. Only down side is rubber flue seal.
For me, Main (Baxi) in the south. If the customer is rich then Vaillant brand will keep him happy.
Respect to everyone's choice. If installed correctly, then all are fairly reliable.
@@NNP100 good analysis there. My premium boiler I fit at the moment is the ATAG - really well made boiler, all brass and steel components aside from the condense. Also about to give Viessmann a try as they’re very reasonably priced, especially for what the boiler boasts!
As you say, all installed correctly are pretty similar!
@@RJHeating You should look at the price of Viessmann parts before you burden your customers with those future costs. Check out the price of an Expansion Vessel & PRV for a Vitodens 100-W, for example.
@@alunt2003 yeah they are a little more expensive, but seemingly a better boiler. Definitely something to factor in and obviously not for every client! I like having a range of boilers I fit and always give my clients 3 options.
Cheap crap boilers
@@paulsmith2931 haha I quite like them to be fair! Easy to install and service! Why don’t you like them?
Each boiler has weak points. There are more weak points on many other brand boilers that manufactures wouldnt honour warranties. Bosch valliant and glowworm included.