@@Epic11705unfortunately, according to the law he still kidnapped him. It didn’t help that he was still on parole from being released from prison so they couldn’t even go easy on him. He gave it up for his son to get the help he needed. He was a hero for his son.
@@wintersbabyy he does say at one point in the episode that the mother was supposed to be taking him to his dialysis but wasn’t. (I’ve watched the show)
There isn't much you can do for a kid with kidney failure besides dialysis and wait for a transplant. My friend's sister was on the list for months and got sicker the whole time. None of her family was a match but thankfully they found one. Dad goes to Mom's house and sees his sick kid with kidney disease and blames the Mom and not the disease, and has made it clear he had no idea how the disease was managed or what the kid needed. They don't really say how long the kid was missing, like if the Dad was hiding the kid for a while but he got sicker, or if the Dad immediately drove the kid to the hospital because he didn't think the Mom was doing enough, but considering the BOLO was already out, I wouldn't be surprised if the Dad intended to hide and keep the kid permanently but he missed some medication or was given food high in salt that would have made his condition deteriorate even more, then Dad panicked. The only thing I see that is definitely the Mom's fault is not getting the Dad tested as donor but she may have been prevented from doing that while he was incarcerated, and before he was kidnapped the kid might not have been sick enough it was an immediate concern. They don't say why the Dad was incarcerated but even if it was low-level/nonviolent, the mom may still have a good reason for wanting an unstable and infrequent presence out of her sons life. Also, I have a bunch of relatives in healthcare and they've told me stories of family, usually Dads or Grandmothers, who decide that a chronically ill kid's disease can't really be that bad (Kid or Mom or Doctor must be exaggerating) and the treatment is what is actually making them sick, so they find a way to stop it by skipping a kid's doses/appointments, or they impose their own "treatment", and then they're shocked that kid gets way worse very quickly, so maybe I'm biased when I see one parent did the lionshare of caregiving and the other has no idea what to do but still thinks they will do it better. It's like the opposite of munchausen by proxy.
@@calleythompson2781 i get the feeling you didn't really pay attention to anything in the clip. he said mom was supposed to be handling dialysis but wasn't. he also said he saw how sick his son was and that's why he grabbed him and immediately took him to the hospital. a BOLO (or more likely in this case, an AMBER alert) would have been issued as soon as he took off. the staff said if he was trying to avoid getting caught he wouldn't have taken the kid in. they don't say what the dad did that sent him to prison in the first place or why there was a protective order against him but the mom was clearly dead-set against involving dad in son's care in any capacity, including testing for organ donor matching. maybe she was depressed because of her son's diagnosis and was just waiting for him to die, who knows. the fact that you have personal experience with a parent deciding a child's illness doesn't actually need treatment and you pin that on the dad who took him to the hospital instead of the mom who was skipping dialysis is astonishing to me. also, denying treatment so they can continue getting attention for how gravely ill the kid is also fits munchausen by proxy.
I can't believe that the boss denied his son a transplant just because she didn't want to lose the hospital's reputation, I just can't believe it... that she was going to let that poor child die all because she was selfish.
It’s less about the reputation. Like she implied, hospitals and such are federally required to maintain certain statistics of care to keep things like accreditations, grants, and more. These things allow the hospital to serve the community in the first place. If they lose accreditation then they can’t help ANY patients.
in ultimate truth, the dad loves his kid but his wife fupped both him and the system over just for her gambling debts to be closed. in certain truth, the females are deadlier than the males for that reason.
That’s technically neglect not endangerment. It’s not endangerment as he was a felon while she was simply the boys mother. It doesn’t make her right and the fact that she didn’t makes her case a whole lot worse. He was a known dangerous man with a child so they had no other choice but to call it endangerment, they had no clue what he was going to do, even then he would be arrested for violating parole and probably some other stuff.
Giving his life for his son is probably a better outcome for him than going to prison for aggravated kidnapping. The father did what any good father should, he gave his life for his sick child.
That women was so so wrong for denying the father the transplant that he took his own life so his son can live that should not have been the outcome 😡🥹😢
The desire to maintain reputation is entirely independent from the profit motive. That is going to exist in every institution or figure with public profile.
The dad...wow. He was honest that he wasnt in his son's life, knows where he stands. He still gave his son a kidney, knowing that the chances of him ever seeing his son again were non-existant. If you notice, mom was nowhere in sight while her son was dying.
Like she was nowhere in sight, I kept asking where tf is the mom? The kid deserved so much better, the adults let him down, his mom and that boss, it hurts his dad will not be there for him ever again
What’s ironic is that she ruined the hospital’s reputation anyway for not doing the surgery and letting a father trying to save his son die on their watch. This is villainy on a whole other level.
Logic is nothing without being tempered with compassion and love. That lady was focused on the logical choice which was ethically good for the hospital as she treated it as a business. What she needed to realize what drove in money to the hospital and what the purpose of the hospital was, to serve people. It wouldve been the morally correct choice to save the child and keep the father even if it meant he couldnt be indicted. Now because of the ethicaly correct choice the father is dead, both couldve survived if some compassion was shown. I know its a show but this can happen in real life, and many higher ups treat hospitals as businesses and not places for healing and treatment as the top priority.
If she's so worried about their average, allow him to donate there, hold an organ donor registration media campaign, and then schedule as many transplants there as possible so that he's not even a blip in the data. Now you're going to have the hospital in the news for his suicide, and that's not the kind of thing that people forget. _Which hospital do you want to go to?_ *Take me to Mercy.* _But, they're farther away!_ *I'll take my chances. I don't wanna go to a hospital where people have to kill themselves to save their son's life.!*
@pezfam well both are logical in different senses. Business wise it's logical to not keep a criminal and the kids death would only be a statistic. The other logical choice would be to let the dad donate and save the kid. It comes down to whether the choice is logical and cold or logical with compassion in mind
@AnnoyingNewsletters When a hospital is run like a business people are numbers and that dad is just another death on the list. This is why businessman should not run hospitals
"can you think of a medical reason I shouldn't call police?" The father claiming his ex-wife said she was putting the kid on dialysis yet the kid is sicker than a dog and she's done nothing isn't enough? It shows at LEAST POTENTIAL for child neglect, and keeping the dad as a legal guardian for the kid to sign off on whatever sounds like a good enough reason. If the law says it's not the law can kiss ass.
I didn't understand that tbh. Like they definitely could think of reasons to not to. The boy dying and the father there able to donate. Just sad. Even the fact the boy could be way more anxious and upset at being alone and having his dad leave which could cause him to deteriorate faster could be a medical reason. Also totally agree with you on that!
Yeah, I was wondering where the mother was in all this while I was watching and she was barely mentioned. That had me really confused because you would think she would be involved. Plus, I would want to know what kind of care she was giving the kid that would lead to him here.
plus the kid clearly loved his father. he didn’t seem scared of the dad or nervous around him so the father obviously caused no harm to the child while “kidnapping” him. psychologically or otherwise. there was no reason to call the cops in that moment
No. The mom might've not been a match and keep in mind the dad was in prison. It's not like they would've tested the dad in prison. The mom was doing what every person does waiting for a match
@@_adrian_sean except taking her kid to dialysis, or getting the dad tested for a donor match, or SHOWING UP AT THE HOSPITAL WHEN HER SON HAS BEEN KIDNAPPED AND IS ACTIVELY DYING.
i can imagine the pain making him snap at the end. he knew he was never gonna see his son again even if he fought in court. He wanted to do one last thing to protect him... :(
I'm not in medicine directly (although tied to healthcare industry) but there is one thing about this kind of situation that applies on multiple levels not tied to medicine. The people who make these horrible, unethical, immoral decisions should be the ones who tell the people whose lives they are damaging why they are being made to continue to suffer. They should be made to look that person in the eye instead of having others do that dirty job for them.
Trust me, big wigs in hospitals or even in business will do anything to make sure there numbers look good. If they done the surgery sure he could have lived and survived while in prison, but it was numbers she wasn't willing to risk. She was willing to let his son die so that they could have a little paper that said they were a really good hospital. I learned over the years that after being in many hospital both as a worker and as a patient that the best way to know if a hospital is good or not is to experience it and trust me when I say I have hospitals I would only trust going too if it was just a cold vs open heart surgery.
the thing i don't get is how does "a child died waiting for a transplant with a viable donor in the building" look any better on the ~sTaTiSTiCs~ than "organ donor dies after being released from the hospital"?
@@dietotaku if a kid dies from an illness it’s not the hospitals fault technically but doing a surgery or organ transplant then the hospital is then liable and it hurts their success rates.
I hate how true to life this is. Doctors and hospitals will let you suffer, and even die, before putting their reputations on the line. The question shouldn’t have been whether or not a prison is the appropriate place for this man to recover from surgery. The question should be why isn’t there an appropriate place for this man to recover after surgery. But in this country the second you make a mistake society doesn’t believe that your entitled to basic human rights like adequate healthcare. Don’t do the crime if you don’t want to do the time right? And if you need healthcare, not being able to get it is your own fault. Disgusting.
judge him whatever but he seems like all his intentions were pure and loving all for his son. if i were in a dying situation i know my dad would do anything and literally anything to save me
"just because you dont like the outcome doesn't mean your decision was wrong" the outcome or consequence determines whether a decision is wrong! someone needs to fire that lady and ban her from ever stepping foot in the hospital as anything other than a patient. (yea i know its just a show but the real life versions of her should be banned xD)
@@katscratchfever3506In another episode, a man held the hospital hostage because he wanted to see and keep his son who was going to be put up for adoption (keep in mind, the father had pretty much abandoned the wife through her entire pregnancy, and both people were still teens, I believe).
That is the difference between the States and Canada. As we are a public health system, Dr consider patient benefits first. That been said, the delay in the bureaucracy will have kill this boy certainly!
Oh man, that look Goodwin gave that one doctor who refused in the beginning...more powerful than any words could ever say. "You happy with following orders?"
In the full episode they showed the father shooting himself. Luckily a doctor blocked his son's view. It was heart wrenching. CM is my favorite Medical TV show.
Bc his kidney was a match but CM's admin wouldn't let him donate bc he was a felon, and on his way to jail for kidnapping. The boy was dying and they couldn't find another donar so he shot and killed himself in order to donate his kidney so his son could live.
@nonbinaryfrog4369 The saddest part, at least for me, was learning that a different hospital had agreed to do the transplant. to remove a healthy kidney from the father to the son, which would have allowed the father to live and have a relationship with his father.
Definetly one of the most saddest moments in CM and honestly this probably does happen more then reports show, cause if they did people would not want to go to hospitals or the hospital could lose funding and lose lots of doctors and nurses to cure people, its very much a double edge knife.
@@AnnoyingNewsletters not really he didn't give permission for others to get his organs just his son and even though it's the patient that would suffer I don't think the hospital deserved that win. That lady irks me everytime
Did you end up having nightmares? Mental health first aider here, if you havent had nightmares yet then you should be fine and they shouldnt occur :) The prime period for them to occur has passed. If youre having recurring nightmares of this then yes you should receive some help. Since this is so new it should only take probably 1 EMDR session to rid you of it. Either way, you should be fine :)
@@ColorsofHopeCraftsASMR If you are unable to remmeber them or even if you ahd them then they shpuld not translate into PTSD, if youve had non since tha very first night you should be totally fine and have no long lasting impacts from hereon out :) Sorry to bring you back to this video, I just felt it was important to converse with you for a sec
Yeah, I bet mum must be really happy that her son was saved, no thanks to her dead ex. Who cares about him right? Hospitals are more important than saving a patient's life. Don't ever think that a hospital is there to save your life. Always remember that hospitals are a BUSINESS first and foremost. They make money out of how many patients lives they can save, and keep quiet about those who died at their premises. They will do ANYTHING to avoid a malpractice lawsuit, even discrediting the victim and his family if necessary. Beneath their facade of being helpful and saving lives lie ruthless beauracracy.
While I agree with you in MANY cases there are non-profit hospitals, many of which are EXCELLENT facilities that are not run the same way FOR PROFIT hospitals are run. Now there are some non-profit hospitals that I wouldn't trust, but my point is that you can't measure every hospital with the same yardstick.
COVID was the perfect example, they'd lable noncovid deaths as COVID to get federal funding. They made money keeping COVID numbers up, damn crooks they are
Now that’s what a parent should do to make sure their children make it and as for the hospital putting stats over a child makes me sick if they would have done the transplant both would have been alright
What a jerk that doctor was and that woman heartless. They killed a man and almost a child too. Yesjust a show bit in reality with hospitals run like businesses and being scared of law suits I'm sure this and more immoral stuff goes on
Noticed how his finger was off the trigger toward then end had good trigger discipline he was never gona fire at the guard took a level of safety instead of carelessly waving a gun that could go off
The problem wasn’t that he couldn’t see his son. The problem is that as soon as the dad was medically fit, ie not dying, he would be incarcerated and have to recover in prison. Prison is an extremely high risk area to have to recover from medical surgery from or any sort of wound, and therefore he would have a high risk of secondary infection/death that would lead to worse statistics for the hospital.
@@brandonmcglocklin9040 most definitely put that into consideration just saying what I would’ve done in his shoes is all not everyone makes the same choices during these situations
Actually what he did was the best thing he could have done that was within his power to save his son. If he just wounded himself, he would have been transfered out as soon as he was legally "medical stabled" which the standards for are quite low. His son would have most likely died in the scenario since no kidney would have been available. The only was to either wait to hear from another hospital that was willing to the transplant and hope he wouldn't be incarcerated or make his "available" to be used.
The medical field is all about business and not always about the patient’s health, even if it’s a child. Sure, there are those like Sharon, Ethan and April who look past the business part of it all and put the health of the patient first, only there will always be others who will thwart them. It’s so sad but this is the world we live it, selfish and all about business over people’s well being
I believe that the father truly cares for his child and is going through a very difficult patch with his family. Unfortunately, hospital business is a very difficult and somewhat complicated thing when it comes with legal obligations such as calling the police and stuff.
So they didn’t question the kids mother why? Because of those two doctors in the white coats the father is dead and the son is most likely dead how to. God that’s heartbreaking
Kidneys don't heal back, unlike the liver, where if you donate a section of it, that section will grow back, while the section that got donated will grow into a full liver. Kidneys can't be sectioned off, each individual is born with two, and they play a role in body by converting unusable and toxic materials into urine. If you lose one, you have to watch what you eat, and losing the other means death unless you find a donor. With all that, I'd say liver surgery might be safer.
Taking someones kidney is a pretty major surgery. Having surgury simply done ON a kidney is not, however. As transplating a kidney is a little difficult due to all the little endings that need to be atatched and such. Thats what I understand
I have sympathy for that man in the last clip, obviously in real life this would’ve been a time where the enemy puts pressure on us to follow in order but for that woman clearly she kept more about how would affect the hospital than it affected. God he never wants to have to call the child home. She had caused him to do one of the many things he never wants to do.
At this point if I was the cops I would go arrested the boss for child endangerment because she's letting that child die to keep her statistics up which is correct me if I'm wrong is illegal very illegal
I'm confused what happened at the end. What happened to the boy and dad? :( At most, once the probabtion officer was alerted and the boy was found, it's very telling that his mother never showed up in this.
A big difference is how severe the patient is. A person in severe pain, kidney disease and arythmia will get seen to before a broken ankle or a bad cough. Its sadly how they have to deal with things as we dont have enough staff in hospitals to cover every patient to who comes in immediately.
This reminds me of the film John-Q. A father willing to do anything for his son, even risk his own life. A hospital should be about saving people, not the business. The father was willing to give up a kidney to save his son and because of some stupid statistic the head lady wouldn't let him. He shot himself because he knew the hospital could use his organs if he was dead. Even if he wasn't a great father, that little boy lost his dad over something stupid.
It’s sticking just because he has a warrant they’ll assume he a completely terrible man that’ll do anything to anyone just shows they care more about reputation then a life
Is there something in the full episode that the mom wasn't keeping up with the dialysis? From what's in this version there's nothing to suggest she was negligent, the kid could have been just as sick despite regular treatment.
I find peace knowing this child will always have a piece of his dad with him, sadly he'll go back to his neglectful mother, but I feel this will pave way for his turn at being a dad
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He kidnapped his son because the kids mother wasn’t doing what she needed to do. I felt so bad for him and his son.
His father loved him so much, more than life itself and more than his mother ever did; he was rescuing his son, not kidnapping him
@@Epic11705unfortunately, according to the law he still kidnapped him. It didn’t help that he was still on parole from being released from prison so they couldn’t even go easy on him. He gave it up for his son to get the help he needed. He was a hero for his son.
@@wintersbabyy he does say at one point in the episode that the mother was supposed to be taking him to his dialysis but wasn’t. (I’ve watched the show)
There isn't much you can do for a kid with kidney failure besides dialysis and wait for a transplant. My friend's sister was on the list for months and got sicker the whole time. None of her family was a match but thankfully they found one. Dad goes to Mom's house and sees his sick kid with kidney disease and blames the Mom and not the disease, and has made it clear he had no idea how the disease was managed or what the kid needed. They don't really say how long the kid was missing, like if the Dad was hiding the kid for a while but he got sicker, or if the Dad immediately drove the kid to the hospital because he didn't think the Mom was doing enough, but considering the BOLO was already out, I wouldn't be surprised if the Dad intended to hide and keep the kid permanently but he missed some medication or was given food high in salt that would have made his condition deteriorate even more, then Dad panicked. The only thing I see that is definitely the Mom's fault is not getting the Dad tested as donor but she may have been prevented from doing that while he was incarcerated, and before he was kidnapped the kid might not have been sick enough it was an immediate concern. They don't say why the Dad was incarcerated but even if it was low-level/nonviolent, the mom may still have a good reason for wanting an unstable and infrequent presence out of her sons life. Also, I have a bunch of relatives in healthcare and they've told me stories of family, usually Dads or Grandmothers, who decide that a chronically ill kid's disease can't really be that bad (Kid or Mom or Doctor must be exaggerating) and the treatment is what is actually making them sick, so they find a way to stop it by skipping a kid's doses/appointments, or they impose their own "treatment", and then they're shocked that kid gets way worse very quickly, so maybe I'm biased when I see one parent did the lionshare of caregiving and the other has no idea what to do but still thinks they will do it better. It's like the opposite of munchausen by proxy.
@@calleythompson2781 i get the feeling you didn't really pay attention to anything in the clip. he said mom was supposed to be handling dialysis but wasn't. he also said he saw how sick his son was and that's why he grabbed him and immediately took him to the hospital. a BOLO (or more likely in this case, an AMBER alert) would have been issued as soon as he took off. the staff said if he was trying to avoid getting caught he wouldn't have taken the kid in. they don't say what the dad did that sent him to prison in the first place or why there was a protective order against him but the mom was clearly dead-set against involving dad in son's care in any capacity, including testing for organ donor matching. maybe she was depressed because of her son's diagnosis and was just waiting for him to die, who knows. the fact that you have personal experience with a parent deciding a child's illness doesn't actually need treatment and you pin that on the dad who took him to the hospital instead of the mom who was skipping dialysis is astonishing to me. also, denying treatment so they can continue getting attention for how gravely ill the kid is also fits munchausen by proxy.
He saved his son. I hate how people treat a hospital as a business over a health facility.
That’s America
Hospitals are business. Their business is in treating patients/illnesses.
@@sagelgexpect in basically other countries than the USA.
That's the USA for ya. If we can capitalize on money, healthcare is not a priority.
Gotta do whatever it takes to keep the place running
That head of the hospital was completely wrong and completely heartless
She’s called the B word
Didn’t sound like she liked having to do this at all
@@joewhitehead3oh yes she did she loved it all bosses are like this it’s all about the money
@@jessicaparks1723Dr. Lanik, not Dr. Taylor
Cuddy from house would also call the authorities
There's legal obligations that hospitals have no choice but to follow
I can't believe that the boss denied his son a transplant just because she didn't want to lose the hospital's reputation, I just can't believe it... that she was going to let that poor child die all because she was selfish.
Capitalism
It’s less about the reputation. Like she implied, hospitals and such are federally required to maintain certain statistics of care to keep things like accreditations, grants, and more. These things allow the hospital to serve the community in the first place. If they lose accreditation then they can’t help ANY patients.
I hate to be that gal but I will say it: trust me….. her hands were tied tight. It sucks but she has to follow these rules
@@madmudslingerlmao this has nothing to do with capitalism.
@@lyricmezzosoprano5357Yet again, Capitalism
This is one of the saddest things I've seen on a TV show. The fact that I'm sure this happens in real life makes it even sadder.
In ‘real life’, they’d never ever let a criminal off the handcuffs like that.
For exactly this reason - because they become a threat to others.
Please tell me the boy survived
@@hollythecatgirl492 he did survive
in ultimate truth, the dad loves his kid but his wife fupped both him and the system over just for her gambling debts to be closed. in certain truth, the females are deadlier than the males for that reason.
@@andreav622 the father died then?
So the father is arrested for child endangerment by taking his sick kid to the hospital but not the mother who didn't when clearly she should have.
That’s technically neglect not endangerment. It’s not endangerment as he was a felon while she was simply the boys mother. It doesn’t make her right and the fact that she didn’t makes her case a whole lot worse. He was a known dangerous man with a child so they had no other choice but to call it endangerment, they had no clue what he was going to do, even then he would be arrested for violating parole and probably some other stuff.
@landen3994 doesn't it become endangerment once the child is in a dangerously unwell state like the kid was in?
Typical they always blame the men
And she never visited him in the hospital.
He gave up his messed up life so his son could live ❤️😭❤️
Even more messed up considering that he didn't need to if the board wasn't so dumb. Or if he just waited a little and went to the other hospital
That father is a true hero for sacrificing himself so that his son could live
He killed himself? That’s what I thought
@@teneesh3376 but it was implied that the kid didnt have that time and that the transplant needed to be done immediately
Giving his life for his son is probably a better outcome for him than going to prison for aggravated kidnapping. The father did what any good father should, he gave his life for his sick child.
That women was so so wrong for denying the father the transplant that he took his own life so his son can live that should not have been the outcome 😡🥹😢
…I’m looking at a dead body when there could have been NO, dead bodies.
So yeah, I think the decision was wrong.
Welcome to modern medicine where healing is a business with a bottom line and reputation matters more than patients
Sorry I realise Im sleep deprived snd Im kinda blurign my deeam lag swith real😅
This is why medicine should not be thought of as a business. It makes for bad choices to maintain a reputation.
But if we don’t treat patients as customers, we have communism :(
The desire to maintain reputation is entirely independent from the profit motive. That is going to exist in every institution or figure with public profile.
Tell that to pharmacies.
@@thomaswalmsley8959Reputation leads quickly leads to more money
Even in countries where they have socialized healthcare, statistics still matter.
That is the most disgusting abuse of officialdom I have seen. That woman should be ashamed of herself.
i liked how at the end, she gave a subtle "this blood is on your hands".
Dont worry. In a later episode she gets hurt very very badly and no one at the hospital is willing to get tested to donate for her.
@@michellealinateague9892 could I ask which episode?
@@emiliarose7468 i cant recall exactly. but its like 10 episodes later
He may have gone about it all wrong but he felt what he did was best for his sons sake
"That doesn't mean the decision was wrong" my ass. What a total bullshit statement.
That’s what parents do everyday
I would most def die to save any one of my babies
The dad...wow. He was honest that he wasnt in his son's life, knows where he stands. He still gave his son a kidney, knowing that the chances of him ever seeing his son again were non-existant. If you notice, mom was nowhere in sight while her son was dying.
Like she was nowhere in sight, I kept asking where tf is the mom? The kid deserved so much better, the adults let him down, his mom and that boss, it hurts his dad will not be there for him ever again
It makes to furious they refused to make the father a donor even though his son was dying 😠😡
It makes me*
@@alexandramoyer8785no point in correcting if everyone understands the meaning
What’s ironic is that she ruined the hospital’s reputation anyway for not doing the surgery and letting a father trying to save his son die on their watch. This is villainy on a whole other level.
Exactly...that trash drove the father to do what he did.
she honestly disgusted me. couldn't even recognise she was wrong. the devil.
Logic is nothing without being tempered with compassion and love. That lady was focused on the logical choice which was ethically good for the hospital as she treated it as a business. What she needed to realize what drove in money to the hospital and what the purpose of the hospital was, to serve people. It wouldve been the morally correct choice to save the child and keep the father even if it meant he couldnt be indicted. Now because of the ethicaly correct choice the father is dead, both couldve survived if some compassion was shown. I know its a show but this can happen in real life, and many higher ups treat hospitals as businesses and not places for healing and treatment as the top priority.
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I have to say that you said that the logic must be tempered with compassion and love, yet the argument you laid out was a logical one.
If she's so worried about their average, allow him to donate there, hold an organ donor registration media campaign, and then schedule as many transplants there as possible so that he's not even a blip in the data.
Now you're going to have the hospital in the news for his suicide, and that's not the kind of thing that people forget.
_Which hospital do you want to go to?_
*Take me to Mercy.*
_But, they're farther away!_
*I'll take my chances. I don't wanna go to a hospital where people have to kill themselves to save their son's life.!*
@pezfam well both are logical in different senses. Business wise it's logical to not keep a criminal and the kids death would only be a statistic. The other logical choice would be to let the dad donate and save the kid. It comes down to whether the choice is logical and cold or logical with compassion in mind
@AnnoyingNewsletters When a hospital is run like a business people are numbers and that dad is just another death on the list. This is why businessman should not run hospitals
"can you think of a medical reason I shouldn't call police?" The father claiming his ex-wife said she was putting the kid on dialysis yet the kid is sicker than a dog and she's done nothing isn't enough? It shows at LEAST POTENTIAL for child neglect, and keeping the dad as a legal guardian for the kid to sign off on whatever sounds like a good enough reason. If the law says it's not the law can kiss ass.
I didn't understand that tbh. Like they definitely could think of reasons to not to. The boy dying and the father there able to donate. Just sad. Even the fact the boy could be way more anxious and upset at being alone and having his dad leave which could cause him to deteriorate faster could be a medical reason. Also totally agree with you on that!
Yeah, I was wondering where the mother was in all this while I was watching and she was barely mentioned. That had me really confused because you would think she would be involved. Plus, I would want to know what kind of care she was giving the kid that would lead to him here.
plus the kid clearly loved his father. he didn’t seem scared of the dad or nervous around him so the father obviously caused no harm to the child while “kidnapping” him. psychologically or otherwise. there was no reason to call the cops in that moment
No. The mom might've not been a match and keep in mind the dad was in prison. It's not like they would've tested the dad in prison. The mom was doing what every person does waiting for a match
@@_adrian_sean except taking her kid to dialysis, or getting the dad tested for a donor match, or SHOWING UP AT THE HOSPITAL WHEN HER SON HAS BEEN KIDNAPPED AND IS ACTIVELY DYING.
so the cut was because the father shot himself in the head killing himself to give his boy the kidney, the child survived
Whaaaat? Nobody else could have figured that out, you are so helpful!
@@QapNPoocertified savage
But the trauma he will live with just because of heartless people
For someone who runs a hospital its pretty ironic how she doesn't even have a heart.
she took herself off the transplant list because it wouldn't look good for THE STATISTICS.
Shes an administrator. They can be heartless.
i can imagine the pain making him snap at the end. he knew he was never gonna see his son again even if he fought in court. He wanted to do one last thing to protect him... :(
I'm not in medicine directly (although tied to healthcare industry) but there is one thing about this kind of situation that applies on multiple levels not tied to medicine. The people who make these horrible, unethical, immoral decisions should be the ones who tell the people whose lives they are damaging why they are being made to continue to suffer. They should be made to look that person in the eye instead of having others do that dirty job for them.
he just wanted to save his little boy
This guy is the perfect example of a parent who would do anything for their child nothing but respect to him 🫡
Shame on them...putting statistics above human life.
Trust me, big wigs in hospitals or even in business will do anything to make sure there numbers look good. If they done the surgery sure he could have lived and survived while in prison, but it was numbers she wasn't willing to risk. She was willing to let his son die so that they could have a little paper that said they were a really good hospital. I learned over the years that after being in many hospital both as a worker and as a patient that the best way to know if a hospital is good or not is to experience it and trust me when I say I have hospitals I would only trust going too if it was just a cold vs open heart surgery.
Did the kid die?
@@hollythecatgirl492he lived thank goodness
the thing i don't get is how does "a child died waiting for a transplant with a viable donor in the building" look any better on the ~sTaTiSTiCs~ than "organ donor dies after being released from the hospital"?
@@dietotaku if a kid dies from an illness it’s not the hospitals fault technically but doing a surgery or organ transplant then the hospital is then liable and it hurts their success rates.
I hate how true to life this is. Doctors and hospitals will let you suffer, and even die, before putting their reputations on the line. The question shouldn’t have been whether or not a prison is the appropriate place for this man to recover from surgery. The question should be why isn’t there an appropriate place for this man to recover after surgery. But in this country the second you make a mistake society doesn’t believe that your entitled to basic human rights like adequate healthcare. Don’t do the crime if you don’t want to do the time right? And if you need healthcare, not being able to get it is your own fault. Disgusting.
Legally he kidnapped his son
@@rachelgarber1423because he son was sick and being neglected and not given the health he needed
judge him whatever but he seems like all his intentions were pure and loving all for his son. if i were in a dying situation i know my dad would do anything and literally anything to save me
"just because you dont like the outcome doesn't mean your decision was wrong" the outcome or consequence determines whether a decision is wrong! someone needs to fire that lady and ban her from ever stepping foot in the hospital as anything other than a patient. (yea i know its just a show but the real life versions of her should be banned xD)
The literal textbook definition of A WRONG DECISION 😢😢
I agree that he can't go to jail after the transplant, so why didn't they just put him under house arrest so he could recuperate while awaiting trial?
I disagree that the lawyer woman yelled at the other woman, and said that the father can’t donate his kidney! That’s outrageous!
Those two should be responsible for this!
The woman with the glasses is right about donating the father's kidney. The woman who yelled at her is wrong. People should donate kidneys.
Gwen should have said that the decision was wrong. They should have replaced Gwen with someone more likable.
If I had a nickel for every time a guy held this hospital hostage for their kid I’d have two which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice
I understood that reference
@@TeenBeQueen27please help me. I’m drawing a blank even tho I feel I should know this lol
@@katscratchfever3506In another episode, a man held the hospital hostage because he wanted to see and keep his son who was going to be put up for adoption (keep in mind, the father had pretty much abandoned the wife through her entire pregnancy, and both people were still teens, I believe).
@@katscratchfever3506 it’s from phinneas and ferb. Doctor doof says it
@@katscratchfever3506John Q.
That’s a true loving father doing everything he can to save his child even if it means giving his life to make sure his child lives
One of the best hearted fathers
Where is the mom through this episode who claimed they were so much better without him
That is the difference between the States and Canada. As we are a public health system, Dr consider patient benefits first. That been said, the delay in the bureaucracy will have kill this boy certainly!
True. My country also has public health system and I'm so glad its not like that
Oh man, that look Goodwin gave that one doctor who refused in the beginning...more powerful than any words could ever say. "You happy with following orders?"
i feel like those cops would not be taking orders from hospital staff
The man gave it all for his boy. That's a good father. No matter what he was guilty of, he was at the least, a good Father.
😢😢😢 A father dies to save
His son.😢😢NO GREATER LOVE.
“You either die as a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain” - The Dark Knight.
love that chicago med and chicago pd is connected ❤
That lady, the one opposed, needs to be fired. By her decision, that hospital's margins went lower than if she had just done the transplant normally.
The decision was wrong and both of those doctors deserve to have their licesnes revoked. Genuinely disgusting.
This was just heartbreaking and avoidable
He’s a good father, he deserves custody.
hospitals shouldn’t be treated like a place of business, it’s a place for patients to be treated and cured for their sicknesses
9:09 true, but in this case the decision was wrong.
Dr. Choi made the right call.
Always the voice of reason
Well look at that! Guess it’s time to add another tally to the hospital’s “bad decisions” statistic, right director?
The boss sounds like a Disney villain she literally has poison in her words
This video made me cry
In the full episode they showed the father shooting himself. Luckily a doctor blocked his son's view. It was heart wrenching. CM is my favorite Medical TV show.
What episode is this?
Season 4, Episode 3 Heagy is one Heart.
Why did he do that? Asking genuinely, I didn’t see the whole episode. Why would he kill himself at all and in front of his son?
Bc his kidney was a match but CM's admin wouldn't let him donate bc he was a felon, and on his way to jail for kidnapping. The boy was dying and they couldn't find another donar so he shot and killed himself in order to donate his kidney so his son could live.
@nonbinaryfrog4369 The saddest part, at least for me, was learning that a different hospital had agreed to do the transplant. to remove a healthy kidney from the father to the son, which would have allowed the father to live and have a relationship with his father.
head of that hospital cant even admit she was wrong after all that yikes
'That doesn't mean that the decision was wrong'.
Uh, in this case, yeah, it was wrong.
Definetly one of the most saddest moments in CM and honestly this probably does happen more then reports show, cause if they did people would not want to go to hospitals or the hospital could lose funding and lose lots of doctors and nurses to cure people, its very much a double edge knife.
I hate when I go to the hospital I hear bad news
Chris was not all bad i hope little Ben got the kidney and lived
I hope his son got both kidneys, and that as many other people as possible could be saved by the rest of his organs.
@@AnnoyingNewsletters not really he didn't give permission for others to get his organs just his son and even though it's the patient that would suffer I don't think the hospital deserved that win. That lady irks me everytime
I did not see it ending that way. I have chills, and I will probably have nightmares.
Did you end up having nightmares? Mental health first aider here, if you havent had nightmares yet then you should be fine and they shouldnt occur :) The prime period for them to occur has passed. If youre having recurring nightmares of this then yes you should receive some help. Since this is so new it should only take probably 1 EMDR session to rid you of it. Either way, you should be fine :)
@@AliciaStrong-FragileCorpse666 I did have a nightmare, I’m pretty sure. I think I had more than one that night.
@@ColorsofHopeCraftsASMR If you are unable to remmeber them or even if you ahd them then they shpuld not translate into PTSD, if youve had non since tha very first night you should be totally fine and have no long lasting impacts from hereon out :) Sorry to bring you back to this video, I just felt it was important to converse with you for a sec
@@AliciaStrong-FragileCorpse666 I do have PTSD. I often remember my nightmares.
Yeah, I bet mum must be really happy that her son was saved, no thanks to her dead ex. Who cares about him right? Hospitals are more important than saving a patient's life. Don't ever think that a hospital is there to save your life. Always remember that hospitals are a BUSINESS first and foremost. They make money out of how many patients lives they can save, and keep quiet about those who died at their premises. They will do ANYTHING to avoid a malpractice lawsuit, even discrediting the victim and his family if necessary. Beneath their facade of being helpful and saving lives lie ruthless beauracracy.
While I agree with you in MANY cases there are non-profit hospitals, many of which are EXCELLENT facilities that are not run the same way FOR PROFIT hospitals are run. Now there are some non-profit hospitals that I wouldn't trust, but my point is that you can't measure every hospital with the same yardstick.
COVID was the perfect example, they'd lable noncovid deaths as COVID to get federal funding.
They made money keeping COVID numbers up, damn crooks they are
@@feliciatierney2265non-profit huh?
Reminds me of a quote from a movie, “When doctors start acting like business men, who can the people turn to for doctors?”
They both should get fired and charged with attempted man slaughter
Now that’s what a parent should do to make sure their children make it and as for the hospital putting stats over a child makes me sick if they would have done the transplant both would have been alright
What a jerk that doctor was and that woman heartless. They killed a man and almost a child too.
Yesjust a show bit in reality with hospitals run like businesses and being scared of law suits I'm sure this and more immoral stuff goes on
Noticed how his finger was off the trigger toward then end had good trigger discipline he was never gona fire at the guard took a level of safety instead of carelessly waving a gun that could go off
Makes me wonder how many businesses people are sociopaths.
I don’t think that’s a fair judgement
death before dishonour
Acute stress has no impact on health. You heard it here folks.
Cant believe shes still convinced that her decision is not wrong like wtf btro
The father is trying to give his kid the right to life and he’s in the right to life
Well at this point numbers don't matter, you have a donor, who is willing to cooperate lol I hate technicalities
Should have done a non leathal wound to stay a patient in the hospital so he could buy some time and would’ve been able to see his son live his life
The problem wasn’t that he couldn’t see his son. The problem is that as soon as the dad was medically fit, ie not dying, he would be incarcerated and have to recover in prison. Prison is an extremely high risk area to have to recover from medical surgery from or any sort of wound, and therefore he would have a high risk of secondary infection/death that would lead to worse statistics for the hospital.
😔
May I also add strong emotions lead to irrational decisions, this was the only way he saw fit at that moment to help his son
@@brandonmcglocklin9040 most definitely put that into consideration just saying what I would’ve done in his shoes is all not everyone makes the same choices during these situations
Actually what he did was the best thing he could have done that was within his power to save his son.
If he just wounded himself, he would have been transfered out as soon as he was legally "medical stabled" which the standards for are quite low. His son would have most likely died in the scenario since no kidney would have been available.
The only was to either wait to hear from another hospital that was willing to the transplant and hope he wouldn't be incarcerated or make his "available" to be used.
“I e could very well lose our prisoner”
Ffs you WILLA lose that kid if this doesn’t happen
The medical field is all about business and not always about the patient’s health, even if it’s a child. Sure, there are those like Sharon, Ethan and April who look past the business part of it all and put the health of the patient first, only there will always be others who will thwart them. It’s so sad but this is the world we live it, selfish and all about business over people’s well being
I believe that the father truly cares for his child and is going through a very difficult patch with his family. Unfortunately, hospital business is a very difficult and somewhat complicated thing when it comes with legal obligations such as calling the police and stuff.
Oh this made me tear up 🥺
Sad for sure.. but.. his son gets 2 kidneys.. 1 is good but 2 is great.. any real parent in his position would do the same..
"There's a BOLO out for his arrest".
"A BE ON THE LOOKOUT?"
😅😅😅
How did *this video* teach me what "BOLO" stands for?!
Some hospitals are messed up
So they didn’t question the kids mother why? Because of those two doctors in the white coats the father is dead and the son is most likely dead how to. God that’s heartbreaking
Isn’t Kidney surgery pretty safe? I mean it’s not like he was donating part of his liver?
Kidneys don't heal back, unlike the liver, where if you donate a section of it, that section will grow back, while the section that got donated will grow into a full liver. Kidneys can't be sectioned off, each individual is born with two, and they play a role in body by converting unusable and toxic materials into urine. If you lose one, you have to watch what you eat, and losing the other means death unless you find a donor. With all that, I'd say liver surgery might be safer.
nah I think they took one of his kidneys , thags a major surgery
Taking someones kidney is a pretty major surgery. Having surgury simply done ON a kidney is not, however. As transplating a kidney is a little difficult due to all the little endings that need to be atatched and such. Thats what I understand
I have sympathy for that man in the last clip, obviously in real life this would’ve been a time where the enemy puts pressure on us to follow in order but for that woman clearly she kept more about how would affect the hospital than it affected. God he never wants to have to call the child home. She had caused him to do one of the many things he never wants to do.
At this point if I was the cops I would go arrested the boss for child endangerment because she's letting that child die to keep her statistics up which is correct me if I'm wrong is illegal very illegal
I'm confused what happened at the end. What happened to the boy and dad? :( At most, once the probabtion officer was alerted and the boy was found, it's very telling that his mother never showed up in this.
I think the father got shot and killed by the other officer.
The father killed himself so the boy could have his kidney. The son had a successful surgery.
4:46 good soldiers follow orders
TV: checks in and gets a room immediately
personal experience: waits 8 hours and sees a doctor .
A big difference is how severe the patient is. A person in severe pain, kidney disease and arythmia will get seen to before a broken ankle or a bad cough. Its sadly how they have to deal with things as we dont have enough staff in hospitals to cover every patient to who comes in immediately.
@@sire_pixels9765 i was in severe pain trust mee
@@yourfavblonde-sav what was it for, child labor lol (I'm jking btw)
This reminds me of the film John-Q. A father willing to do anything for his son, even risk his own life. A hospital should be about saving people, not the business. The father was willing to give up a kidney to save his son and because of some stupid statistic the head lady wouldn't let him. He shot himself because he knew the hospital could use his organs if he was dead. Even if he wasn't a great father, that little boy lost his dad over something stupid.
I love that movie
That was hard to watch.
She deserves to get arrested
What happened to the mother?
It’s sticking just because he has a warrant they’ll assume he a completely terrible man that’ll do anything to anyone just shows they care more about reputation then a life
Administration……..truly not caring for people
Why didn’t the mother bring him to the hospital?
She didn't learned a damn thing at the end. I hate these type of people with a passion
Is there something in the full episode that the mom wasn't keeping up with the dialysis? From what's in this version there's nothing to suggest she was negligent, the kid could have been just as sick despite regular treatment.
I find peace knowing this child will always have a piece of his dad with him, sadly he'll go back to his neglectful mother, but I feel this will pave way for his turn at being a dad
Were is the mom,like saying the dad’s a bad guy but the mom didn’t even show up for her sick son
It sounds like the boss wasn't exactly saying the decision was right?
Law and judgement is nothing if you don't include love and ethics.