@GreenBeanTM I've been in the foster care system. It takes months for the issues to be fixed. And that young man probably doesn't have any resources.. So he chose violence. If your okay with someone making life choices, without you having a say so, then do you
@@MarcusTheJR he also left. So the decision was made before he came back. Imo the second he walked out sealed his decision of not wanting the kid so he doesn’t get a say. There also organizations set up to help parents fight for custody if they can’t afford a private lawyer. He had options and choosing violence was only going to work against him, not help him.
Natalie is that character I don't understand. Her late husband was a US army ranger yet at the same time she's completely anti-gun. Even if he was still alive I guarantee you he would have said guns don't kill people people kill people. We live in a city with extreme liberal progressive anti-gun laws yet has the highest gun violence in America. I don't know her husband but then again that's exactly the way he would say it. I remember discovering how he just lost his life in Afghanistan never got to come home to his witness his son being born
If he just contested the adoption legally he would have had a chance. Using weaponized force with violent intent ruined his chances. No decent judge would have listened to him with the choices he made. So sad.
People are saying “he could’ve contested it in court” this wasn’t just about the baby. This whole thing was him wanting BOTH his ex and baby, even after shooting her father he expected her to want him. Thats why he came to the hospital w/ a gun instead of to a lawyers office, a lawyer can’t force his girlfriend back.
"I'm taking my baby and Lily and we're getting out of here.... Give me my son. You don't have a choice," Bruh you shot your child's grandfather and threatened his grandmother. The entitlement is on another scale.
That wasn't the grandmother, that the adoptive mother. But I agree with you. He was wrong the moment he showed claiming he made a mistake. He had 9 months to realize he wanted to be with her.
Don't you mean any PARENT like him? There are some sick mothers out there as well and they get let off the hook until the child is DISCOVERED that it's near death or worse dead within days, weeks, months, or sometimes years later
I agree with the mom (Lily) and her decision. Though she may have not known that he was THIS unstable, he abandoned her for the entire pregnancy then thinks he can come back once he finds out she’s in the hospital, shoots her dad, a security officer, and holds the entire floor at gun point.
And still shouts out for him like she still cares about him when he got shot. Almost like a moment where you don't realize what you have until it's gone
Not to mention nearly killing her/their child by refusing to let the doctors take care of them/denying them the medical treatment they clearly needed 😡
@@Ray_Shabaz Oh, come on! Can’t even imagine ALL the emotions she was feeling/will be feeling afterwards! Despite everything he did, they were in a relationship/he’s the FATHER of her child. I’m sure she wanted him to be punished, but I highly doubt she wanted him dead!!!
Biological mothers (and father) both need to be involved in the decision for adoption. Otherwise it can lead to sever issues down the line. What the mother did here ( despite him breaking mentally and abandoning her) was the incorrect way to approach an adoption cause aside of the father actually having rights in this scenario it also puts the adoptive parents at risk down the line of dad fights back in the court system. However this made for better entertainment television.
@@theotherstar7040 I completely agree w/ both biological parents being involved in the adoption process, but David flat removed HIMSELF from the situation/made no effort to be involved/just left her to deal w/ it by herself! Sorry, but personally I just feel like you don’t get to bail on responsibility for nearly a year/waltz back at last sec & demand you suddenly have a say 😐
@@elarp137 I do. The idiot holding the gun didn't. He was no different than a petulant child throwing a fit because he couldn't get his way and two people paid a steep price for his behavior.
@@elarp137 um, not kill people? He had rights, he just had to go the legal route. Also he clearly didn't actually care about Lily or the baby, someone who loved either or both of them wouldn't have put their lives in danger like this. That's possessiveness, not love
For anyone saying that he has the right to his child needs to watch the episode. Part of the reason she decided to go with adoption and not tell him is because he (the father) abandoned her and disappeared when she told him she was pregnant. He decided last minute when he found out she was in the hospital that he wanted her and the baby.
I see that. I think what some of us mean is that he’s still legally the father until he signs over his parental rights. Legally being a father doesn’t make you a good father, certainly.
And yet, he still has the legal right to contest the adoption, up to the ppint of forcing a DNA test if she claims she doesn't know. But none of that makes for a medical drama.
Yeah but he said he was going through a hard time with his mother being sick and stuff when he first found out. It doesn't matter if he changes his mind. That's his baby he should have the right to it too.
@@ashlynfoust4400 so that gives him the right to abandon his family? Everyone goes through hard times but you don't see them holding the mother of his child, and a whole hospital at gun point
For people defending him, in no way would you or anyone else want a trigger-happy father. Run from responsibilities for almost a year then come back being aggressive when something doesn’t go your way. Who knows what else.
Given how many defending him are also spouting men's right and incel rhetoric they'd probably do the exact same thing or something worse because someone said no to them.
Communication is must between girlfriend and her boyfriend. He just abandoned her after finding out that she was pregnant with his child. She never responded to her call made by him and she skipped the part where he might be ready to become father of her child. Both should be put on jail because both of these teenage couple I mean the boyfriend and girlfriend are ones to cause the havoc due to lack of communication between them then leading the father to this. This not about rights of what gender they belong to. This problem of their communication between this girlfriend and her boyfriend. I think both should be arrested for creating havoc.
Not to mention, he ran from the hard part of the pregnancy and is only showing up when he thinks she is ready to pop. When the honeymoon phase of Fatherhood fades and he realizes that taking care of a baby is actual work, who is to say he won't just dip again? Leave the mom to deal with all the hard parts of parenting and then come back when the baby is able to play and be independent?
I think he lost his mind. He was emotional and not thinking clearly. I wish someone either from the hospital or one if her parents could have talked to him and discussed if he was really ready for the responsibility. He could try to be in the kids life in a clear headed fashion rather than thinking emotionally, and losing it and bringing a gun into a hospital and insisting on running away with his ex girlfriend and the baby.
What an amazing brave woman to put the baby and everyone before her own life, saying “youll have to start with me” in such a calm voice in response to “I will kill everyone in this hospital”. What a woman
He wouldn’t have gotten the kid even if he had contested the adoption. No judge in their right mind would grant full custody to a teenager with no job, no source of income, and no home stability. Also it wasn’t about getting the baby. He wanted his ex back and thought she’d take him back if he stepped up last minute, that’s why he brought the gun. He always planned on using force if she said no to being with him again
@@slashymarauderness Yes it absolutely would. If he was mia the whole pregnancy and she didn't put him on the birth certificate her has no legal rights to the baby. From that point on he can try to contest it but it is out of baby moms hands
@@trinitylivingston1286 No, it absolutely would not. We live in the days of DNA. If he contested the adoption, his relationship with the mother is absolutely irrelevant if he can prove he's the father.
No he said he need try to talk to her for mouths with an s meaning for the 1-9 mouth when he found out and got that job he need try to talk to her or her parents but they stop him he didn't abandon them or her Would you want to have no job your mother sick like really sick try to help your mum then fine out your going to be an dad it to much stress All we know he was told that after he lost his job and his mum was sick for me as an teen to see this I would be horror find like I would be so stress I would be out of the pitcher then come back then it cool down like mum not sick I got an good job I hade time to think then get block from the mother of your baby can't talk to them untill the birth of your baby but hey that can't be me why I am an girl not an boy Don't take the girl side look at the bigger picture your don't know the parents could hate him an block him from the gf mama baby life and lie to her we dont know ahnahh
does that mean if a mom takes the child and abandons a dad for years, she has no right to come back 12 years later and demand child support? using your logic
@@alicatfelix5144 he literally never said he tried calling her for months. What he said was "you never answer my calls" and then basically admitted he wouldn't be there without the job. He could have come to her at any time before that, but he waited until he heard from her friend that she was in the hospital. Just proof that he obviously didn't try very hard.
@@craigclermond8001 your comment has no logic because no one was talking about child support. she wasn't keeping the baby, she was giving it away because theyre both high schoolers.
@@hexes5122 maybe youre slow. I brought up the point because a comment said he loss his rights because he wasn't there for 9 months. I pointed out there are many cases where guys arent even told they have a kid and years later the mom can just come back and demand payments. Tired of the bs double standard. High schooler or not he should have rights if the child is his.If she doesn't want the child as the dad he should have the option to take responsibility before giving it to a stranger. At the very least he should have say in who adopts the child. Its sickening society sees dads as less than human.
@@rezaulkarim9198 Still feel bad for her cuz she clearly knew David wasn’t evil/had evil intentions, but he clearly was a threat to Lily/their child & her staff & she made the right choice to protect them all
@@rezaulkarim9198 David should have just listened to her from the start & he might have had a chance to be a part of his son’s life. Now, like Goodwin said, he has NO CHOICE 😔
Yeah, considering everything he just put them through! Don’t know if I’d be so quick to help someone who just spent possibly hours threatening to kill me & my friends cuz things didn’t go their way due to them not taking responsibility for their choices! But, they still stepped up/did their jobs cuz it’s the right thing to do!
Well I mean, he was good as dead. That shot was incredibly precise and intended to end the target’s life. The best doctors in the world won’t be able to help him lol
While I do think that both biological parents should consent to the adoption under ideal circumstances, I think the baby daddy lost his right to that as soon as he started shooting people. He made himself look like an unfit father and didn't help his case at all. I get that he was frustrated with people not letting him talk about it, but he went about it in the wrong way.
@@ayhamerraiyani1259 the dad was.... threatening everyone with a gun and even shot the mom's father?? no way you and four others are actually offended by the comment LOL
I think the father has a right to the child and should consent for adoption, but if he abandoned her when he found out she was pregnant and said he didn't want it, well... you can't let someone go through 9 months of stress and planning and then come in and be like, "oh, yeah. I changed my mind. I'm an important person in this situation." How long until you change your mind again?
I disagree, if you don’t want the baby anyway and the father seems to really care about the child the father should have a say on adoption, you have every right to say he’ll be a single father but no right to say he doesn’t have a right to care for his child
@@stephenchapasko5185 he abandoned the mother for 9 months not the baby, a father’s responsibility doesn’t start until birth, then it’s up to the to them provide, as I’ve said she had the right to say you’ll be a single parent.
People are saying “he could’ve contested it in court” this wasn’t just about the baby (Not to mention he’s not even legally the father). This whole thing was him wanting BOTH his ex and baby, even after shooting her father he expected her to want him. Thats why he came to the hospital w/ a gun instead of to a lawyers office, a lawyer can’t force his girlfriend back.
@@Rachel-xg7hs if the baby’s adoptive parents and the birth mother already made legal agreements on the adoption then the adoptive father is the legal father
"im taking lilly" he is one of those dudes who would eventually kill the mom and children as he sees them as his property to take as he sees fit. he almost killed mom and baby multiple times by firing gunshots near them, traumatizing the mom during pregnancy, making pregnancy as traumatic and dangerous as possible by effectively not allowing her to be moved to get the best medicine, ease of access to medical equipment, and tried to drag them out of the hospital immediately post birth which would have been excruciatingly dangerous for the mom and make baby miss out on important post partum care, etc. He didn't want the baby, he wanted his "property" and his "ideal life"
@nobodyanon And it is woerd because had he just calmed down he could have just came back and asked for paternity and sued to have his child. But that wasn't good enough because he wanted Lilly to he wanted the struggle life for both of them
No right to the child. He got her pregnant, held no responsibility, left her and is now murdering her father. This person would make a horrible father and I feel bad for his child if he had a father like that.
@maahiahmed9903 He lost his rights the moment he ditched her. Even more so when he pulled the gun on his child’s grandfather. You don’t get to have the easy way out while your girlfriend puts up with whatever that you put in her.
Honestly if he was absent until now he really has no rights. His entire effort was only a few seconds of donation. On top of that he is endangering her life which shows what an awful father he is going to be.
That's what I'm thinking. If you're going to give up a project halfway through, you can't then be mad at your partner for finishing the project a different way than you wanted. You left them to do all the heavy lifting by themselves, so of course they're going to do things their way.
thats actually not how it works. he has rights once that baby is born until the courts take them away. without them being married he would have to have a paternity test, and then file for custody/joint.
@@IrishHeart Exactly. Biological paternity, under the law, gives automatic legal rights to the child. The courts would need a reason to take that away such as him waving a gun around. But any other case, they would likely side with the biological father if it was an issue that the mother attempted to give a child up for adoption without a good faith effort to obtain his consent.
He has no rights to the child at that time as the mother did not list him as father of the child. He does have the right to legally contest for paternity and through that custody which he could do at any time before and after birth. But until he goes through the courts he doesn't have any rights to the child.
@@IrishHeart well not after holding everyone hostage in the er. He basically did almost killed and/or lead to Rhodes and Lilys dads deaths and held a bunch of other people hostage.
Ya no you don't get to abandon the mother of your child for the whole pregnancy than call out parental rights at the last minute. Never had sympathy for him but then he decided to do all this and put both of them at risk with his stupid actions... absolutely no sympathy ever for people like him
Yep and shooting ppl and thus putting the baby and his mother in MORE danger. If he cared at all rather than being self righteous within his own ego, he'd never have brought a gun around his baby like that but even then, once he knew the mother and baby were in real danger, he would have backed off and had the doctors do all they needed to do be sure that baby would be ok.
The grandfather used force first and also he still has legal rights to the baby and had a real case especially when being forcibly removed by someone without authorization though he lost all that after he pulled the gun but had he not then he would’ve been in the right here because he did try to contact her
@@whatsomeonesaidwastaken9216 It doesn't work that way and since you brought it up, the grandfather to be was protecting HIS child. No, after the way he acted before, he has no rights.... Those have to be EARNED also..... he wasn't "just protecting his baby" he's a freaking psychopath who has no business being around any child, including any he's related to. He's clearly mentally unstable, what part of that don't you understand? He was mentally ill and even taking that into consideration, it still doesn't make what he did ok. The CHILD'S rights come first and has the right to be PROTECTED from someone so severely mentally ill. Ppl like him end up abusing children, including their own. Ppl like him often end up killing their kids, then everyone would point out how everyone knew how mentally unstable he was and shouldn't have been allowed to be with the child. The child is a HUMAN LIFE not some possession. There is no "equality" in this and the "father" and the doesn't deserve it nor can he be trusted with it. Anyone that would try to make any of this ok is as deluded and mentally ill as the character.
Honestly, even though he had every right to change his mind, and contest the adoption.. he's the one who said he wasn't ready to be a dad. So his gf took that to mean he was giving up his parental rights, in my opinion.. so that probably why she felt she didn't need to tell him and didn't want to go begging him to stay.
My thoughts exactly. He up and left her to deal with the pregnancy alone basically the moment she told him she was pregnant. And then he refused to contact her until the day she was giving birth. "You weren't answering my calls," my ass. Buddy, you had anywhere between 6 - 8 months to tell her you wanted to be a dad, and you didn't. You waited until the very last second to do it.
@@choryllis6646 and that has no bearing on his rights as a father as legally he does not have to support the mother durring pregnancy as you all say his rights do not start until after the baby is born so his responsibility also does not start until after the baby is born so no he does not have to stay and yes he can just turn up after the baby is born and demand his rights and he will get them you cannot have it both ways
@@olivia-yz1wi He won't "get them"? He would have to go to court. And a judge would be unlikely to give a teenager making minimum wage sole custody of a child.
I remember watching this episode and my god this terrified me. If I was ever in that situation where there was someone being crazy with a gun, I probably would have passed out. I get he wants his son but this was not the way at all.
he didn't even want his son, he just wanted her and to be in control of their lives. we see it all the time, dude says he wants kids, talks the good dad talk, but when the kid actually shows up and mom needs help, he's too busy playing xbox and getting drunk after work. but god help her if she tries to leave, he didn't authorize that...
The father having legal rights or not, def. not stable for wanting to kiII all the hospital to run away with his boy. I don't feel sorry for him at all.
What makes him think he can take the baby after who knows how long? You run from it, there's no take backs. So really, there was no rights, and it cost him his life. If he doesn't make it that is.
It’s like he thought if he had custody of the baby, he’d still have a relationship with her. But if he wasn’t there for her at the scariest moments, that ship sailed long ago. He could’ve had the baby, possibly pretty easily as she was waiving parental rights, but he wasn’t gonna get what he thought he could.
@@EMkilroy100 is it really his family if he left for most of the pregnancy cuz he didn't want the kid and only changed his mind when the kid was about to come? and honestly the only threat was him
@@EMkilroy100 His way of life would have been exactly the same since he was not involved for the entire pregnancy. Nothing would have changed for him - it would have been as if the pregnancy never happened. And they never were a family. They were in a relationship that ended.
I’m sorry he’s saying “it’s not my fault?” dude has a gun and shot the girl’s dad right in FRONT OF HER!!! When I first saw this scene it was intense and had so much anxiety 😢😢😢
This is what happens when you're pushed to your limits. When you feel powerless and everything is being striped from you. The mother and her parents are on top of this untouchable pyramid and are stripping YOUR kid from you, then they assault YOU and have YOU escorted away by security.
He intially said he didn't want the baby for 9months the girl's family were the ones taking care of her and the baby.the day of the operation he surfaced what was the family to do
"Okay, Lily, we gotta go right now!" *like mans you just abandoned her! what do you mean?! And your deciding to SHOOT UP THE HOSPITAL?! PUTTING MORE LIVES IN DANGER, EVEN PEOPLE WHO IS SICK, WAITING FOR HELP?!* that amount of disrespect is on TOP level.
He seemed to view the mother and child as belonging to him and anyone or anything that comes in between them as enemies, and it completely blinded his judgement. Why would she ever leave the life she has now behind for this clearly unstable guy that just shot her father and nearly got her and her baby killed?
Not to mention that she literally just delivered a baby via surgery. Moms post-C-Section are generally given at least 4 days in the hospital to heal enough to walk and take care of any post-surgical observation and treatment before they leave, and that's a safe C-section. She just had a more complicated surgery made worse by the fact that they didn't have all the resources they needed to delivery the baby safely and ensure she had no complications. And chances are she couldn't walk either. He was literally putting her in danger by trying to force her to leave the hospital after a surgery like that.
It is the father's legal right to contest the adoption but holding a gun isn't the way to do it. I've seen countless fathers get their kids after the bio moms have tried placing the baby up for adoption.
I have seen cases where the bio dad did not want custody of the kid, but did want visitation and parental rights, and was able to force the mom to keep and raise the kid and give him visitation.
@@Earthfurry717 I’m not here to tell other people what to do. However that’s gonna impact your child in the long run. If it were me I wouldn’t have even kept it. I would’ve been at the clinic as soon as I found out.
I can't believe that man shot that girl's father all because she was going to put their baby up for adoption. I bet the only reason she wanted to put their baby up for adoption after it was born was because she wasn't ready to become a mother and she was scared of that man and feared that he would raise their son or daughter to become a monster like him.
@janedoexxhoe First of all that's not a valid reason to shoot anyone. Second of all the dad had every right to be rude cause this kid knocked up his daughter and dipped. And then had the audacity to try and weasel his way back into her life and try to make decisions for her after causing her emotional trauma
@@LadydogC I understand the job and family issues. That doesn't excuse the fact that he didn't even try to contact her until her last month of pregnancy. That's too late. Too late to have a say in the decision. So no, it's up the mother, and in this case since it seems like she's a minor (or at least very young), the parents of the mother get input. Period. You don't just walk out your baby mama's life and expect to be welcomed back with open arms and have a say in what happens to the baby as she's in labor. I'm sure he knew where she lived and could've gone to see her, which means he probably didn't even try to contact her until she started going into labor. He doesn't get to have a say when she went through the entire pregnancy ALONE. He has no right to get mad about a decision they made during the 9-month pregnancy when he was willingly uninvolved.
@@sarahjinnah9981 they literally say that she wasn't answering his calls, and do you really think her father would have let him talk to her if he had shown up on their door? No, he had no right to shoot people, but the one thing he is absolutely correct about is that they legally could not give up the child for adoption without his consent, he did in fact have a right to his child, at least up until he pulled a gun, don't discount the fact that he did in fact try to man up and take responsibility, even if it was too little too late, because it actually was just in time if he had gone the legal route
@@LadydogC he could have still talked to her… told her he didn’t have a job but was looking for one and wants to support them however he can. Even just emotionally supporting her could have changed a lot. Worst case is they choose to give up the child but keep visitation rights and the kid is fostered until either one or both of them are ready to be parents.
The dude left the baby and her until the last second ... Its been MONTHS of stress for her body , for her mind , for her parents, he was jobless , with a sick mom , he is obviously violent , rather come back with a gun than investigate his parental legal rights , and people in the comments are defending that she shouldnt had decide on adoption withouth telling him ?!
@@Earthfurry717 if you think that's pushing a man to his limit you've lived such a sheltered life you have no idea what the real world is likem imagine believing that losing custody of one child, not even that child dying, is anywhere near the worst that can happen to you! You need to grow up, kiddo.
The truly sad fact about this situation is that our society has raised an entire generation to believe that violence is the only solution to our problems.
I think the problem is literally NO ONE told him he has the legal right to keep his kid regardless of the mother's decision to relinquish her parental rights.
@@helRAEzzzer I doubt he even asked the question. He was very emotionally unstable, despite saying he was in a better place to take care of the baby and the mother, and I don't think he thought there was any other way around it. He didn't even go to Google and say, "mother giving up baby without father's consent". The staff didn't reach out to him and say, "You can take this option if you still want the baby," but that's also not really their job nor is it generally safe to approach a kid who just got escorted out by security. His immediate reaction was to go home, grab a gun, hold a man at gunpoint, and tell a mother in labor that they're leaving the hospital.
Reasonable men are sometimes forced by society to do unreasonable things. Look at the killdozer guy. Look at every man who has had the woman he loves, his children, his job, his home, his entire life ripped from him. And then the people who did it to him act as if they have the moral high ground, because they forced a man into violence.
Are people really downplaying his clearly abusive and violent tendencies because they "understand where he's coming from"? Wtf is up with this comment section?
I know right! The dude obviously dipped on her when he found out she was pregnant. He had 9 months to decide if he wanted the kid or not and he waits till the moment the kid is about to be handed over?
one can validate a persons feelings and understand how one could have such feelings without actually thinking they are good, or een bad. Its called looking at it from others perspectives doesnt mean you cant also see it from her perspective and ultimately think he was out of line. Like, according to him, he made calls and has been trying to contact her for some time now. I dont think that excuses running at first, but it does mean he was trying and she wouldnt even answer and say what she planned or even to say hey please stop or etc.. not that she truly should be expected (esp if he was toxic abusive when together!) But you can UNDERSTAND these things without agreeing. I think hes nuts but I think he probably wouldnt be "nuts" if there was a healthy communicated plan from , say, her parents or soemone else to avoid making it harder on her. Then that way he could properly deal with the feelings without it being condensed to a few short hours presumably before its too late. But, also, if he truly was stable and wanted to be dad to his son, that would be his opportunity to put money where mouth is on his job and place etc etc..
This is why young pregnancy is so dangerous personally speaking the immense amount of teenage anxiety and many facing mental health... coupled with a baby is a recipe for trouble.. I would know.. I pray for young moms to have courage and protection.
American schools preaching abstinence and not teaching contraception is absolutely ridiculous. If you're so religious that you don't believe in contraception then you shouldn't believe in premarital sex either. You can't have it both ways. Obviously people coerced into sex can't help this.
@@KateLate____ "American schools preaching abstinence and not teaching contraception is absolutely ridiculous" 100% agreed! Which is why I will be talking to my son about this MYSELF when he's old enough.
@@informationyes exactly! I listened to lessons about contraception and then waited till I finished school to have sex. Even if you wait till marriage, which has its benefits, you still need to prevent pregnancy if you're getting married during college and don't want a child immediately. Unless you're anti contraception entirely.
Maaaaybe if you’re trying to convince your ex that you’re stable enough to take care of you’re own child ALONG with trying to get back with her, maaaaaybe you shouldn’t come in with a gUN
@@sw8330GKEEPERHe thought this was the best way to get the baby by using violence and force, even putting patients and the mother's life in danger for it.
@@KossolaxtheForesworn Ah, so his decision to infringe on the rights of multiple other people (including putting his own child at risk which he 'cared' so much about by proxy) makes that okay, huh.
She denied him because he abandoned her. Anyone would hate anyone who abandons them yet Lily still cried for David…I really sense a complex love/heartbreak situation here
David didn’t really care about Lilly or his son. Even at the beginning he was blaming Lilly for “not answering his calls”and claiming he had just lost his job & was scared. I have a cousin who became a teen dad in his junior year of high school, he was terrified and definitely wasn’t ready, but he was determined not to be a deadbeat like his dad had been.He got a decent job to provide for his daughter & her mom with help from both sets of parents my cousin isn’t with her anymore, but she sings his praises compared to her 2nd baby daddy, my cousin is actively involved in his daughter’s life.
Not necessarily. What's best for the child is not always what's best for the father. If the father chose to abandon the baby and the mother, the court would see he is not the right person for the child. Children are not property
@@robertbreschard3493 your point? Dude was just doing his job, probably would have been demoted or fired if he didn't. I have no sympathy for a stupid man.
No not good they should negotiate and arrest him and not involve swat at all they should negotiate and then arrest him and one of the doctors could have taken him down or taken the gun while he was distracted rather then have swat kill the man
It’s stuff like this that kind of make it clear to me that if a woman feels that she cant take care of a child for whatever reason and decides to abort or adopt, there’s usually a good reason. Sometimes it’s a life or death thing. Whether she/her partner is not ready or if her partner is dangerous to the child or the woman, it’s ultimately her choice to make since she’s the one who will have the most responsibility taking care of it and will be taking the most risk. Pregnancy is one the most dangerous time for a woman because a guy can act like the perfect partner but do a 180 once he feels she’s locked down or he can seriously resent a woman for “daring to get knocked up” and “ruining his future” and take his anger out on her, etc.
And inversely, the mother can 180 on the day of the birth and simply decide that since she isn't ready to be a mother then the baby daddy doesn't deserve to be a father. Or she can find out she's pregnant and immediately ghost the father, get a restraining order and never let him see his child. Or even worse make the wrong man raise a kid he thinks is his. It happens both ways.
Adoption, yes although if the father is present he can reject it and take care of the kid himself if he wants. Abortion, however, now a whole other deal.
@@braziliankaiser8304 But he wasn't present, he admitted that he wasn't involved during the pregnancy & only reached out in the later stages of the pregnancy (but she had already made the decision of adoption & didn't want to take him back so she ignored his calls). Also, correct me if I'm wrong but 12$/h in Chicago isn't enough to raise a child & pay rent in today's economy!
@@redacted8005 Perhaps put that up to the Judge but I still believe that a biological father should be able to keep his child if he doesn't want to set it to adoption. I am not sure how the living standards are in Chicago, from where I am from 12 dollars even per day would be massive. It's more of a matter of principles that unless the father was completely incapable then he should be able to keep his own kid, remember that the baby wouldn't even exist without him.
Well the baby arrival didn’t go so great his father shot his grandfather, shot a security guard, had his grandmother at gunpoint and his mother and nurses as hostages and his father gets shot by the swat team
The most realistic and saddest part of this scene is that shot at the end. People sometimes have to take the shot and save multiple lives. At the cost of one.
I knew by the way she was backing away that she was trying to lead him out into the open so swat could get him. If he had just been rational he could have contacted a lawyer and sued for custody of the baby. He just had to go the gun rout
Ok everyone in the comments is talking about whether the father has the right to stop the adoption, yet no-one has asked "how, after security escorted him out the first time, did he manage to get back into hospital, WITH a gun?" Even if he wasn't escorted out before, isn't there security to check to prevent weapons from being brought into a hospital? Took me out of the situation honestly
As far as I know at my nearest hospital they don’t check for weapons you can walk in and just check in for ER and or go through the front and ask or tell the front desk who or what floor you’re looking for.
The point that no one seems to be thinking of is that maybe she doesn't want to be a mum yet whether her ex boyfriend is around or not? He's not only demanding custody of the child he's already flaked on at gunpoint but he's demanding that she get back with him and raise a family with him. He's unstable and entitled and shouldn't be allowed custody of a kid until he's been through some years of therapy. If she agreed to get back with him now I could see a lot of potential for DV in their future.
12$ an hour isn’t much for a father. 12$ x 60 hours is 720$ a week which is good for a childfree person that doesn’t have to pay bills and is getting their life together so they can get a better career. But a guy with a child and probably bills now it isn’t good at all. My grandma makes more on her pension than that.
Every body here is like "he has a right to his baby, but this isn't the way. Poor dude :( " Would you like to have a dad who waves a gun at everyone who tries to keep you and your mom safe when he has murdering intensions?? Or he "just wants to love you and your mom" when you can hear her crying after he beat or assulted her?? See how much sorry you feel for a man when he tries to kill someone you love for "his rights"
Well the mother never mentioned that she was assaulted or beaten up by him. She was abandoned by him when he finds out she was pregnant with his child. Don't try to add words into other mouths or change the story line without knowing the full knowledge of the situation.
@@ShantiJosephDoss-qq8vq Im baffled by your blissful ignorance... So because he dumped a woman before knowing he impregnanted her, he is allowed to brake into a hospital and kill innocent people because he's sad she doesnt want him near the kid? Branches of the same tree spread the same leaves, I guess
The SWAT team did that mother and child a favour. He abandoned them THEN shot up a hospital when he wanted the child. He definitely would've been an abusive father if the doctors let him have his way.
Plus, HE put the baby in danger in more ways than one. Then he thought he could be on the run with a girl that could barely move and a newborn..... Even if he got his way, that's not a good or healthy life for a baby to constantly have to be on the run. A parent that actually cares does not do all of that.
As an adopted child, this is disgusting. He has no legal right to see, hold, or parent his son. Lily made the correct decision to put that baby up for adoption and not keep him herself.
I'm shocked by these comments that are trying to justify his anger. He didnt want anything to do with her and becomes upset when he comes in wanting rights. It would be a different story if he asked her what she wanted and then stepped up when she said no saying it's okay ill raise him but that's not what he had in mind. His plan was that they both raise the child together. He goes to work while she be the mom and he never asked her what she wanted. This is why usually the mother has legal rights to decide between adoption or keeping the baby. At this rate though and society messed up point of view its going to be bullies like him who force women to be mothers when they dont want to be.
legally not true as legally he has no rights nor responsibility until the baby is born so legally he could just turn up after the baby has just been born and demand his rights and get them as everyone says a father has no rights until the baby is born so logiclly they also have no responsibility until the baby has been born so no he has not lost his rights as the mother is not entiled to any support from him durring the pregnancy unless you want to give him a legal say in the pregnancy and legal rights to attend any and all appointments to do with the unborn child plus have a legal right to be at the birth as responsibility comes with rights you cannot have it both ways
@@olivia-yz1wi yes but as I stated he didn't say I will raise him putting the adoption on hault, and just take her to court for child support. His idea was they will raise the baby together and I'll do it by gun point to get what I want. That's not acting on his rights that's abuse and domestic violence. That is not okay under any circumstances. If he decided to exercise his rights that would be fine especially if he respected her wishes taking full custody, but he decides that he will get what he wants in a illegal immature fashion. That's the difference between a father demanding his rights and getting a lawyer if the hospital and involved parties aren't respecting his right as a father, and what he did.
@@anniewallace3601 i have no issues with your stance on the whole gun thing as i was just pointing out how legally a father does not have to do anything for the mother durring the pregnancy and it cannot be held against him legally as most people in this comment section think a fathers rights depend on if he is there durring the pregnancy when legally that is not the cast at all like i said plus how could he exercise his rights when the mother refused to reply to his calls plus not tell him about the adoption in the first place as he is stated he tried to contact her many times about the baby but she just refused to talk to him or tell him anything making it harder for him to get his child legally now with the whole gun thing then yeah he proves unfit to parent that we agree on but on the other hand he was just a kid so there may be some leeway somewhat as it can be argued that he was not in the right frame of mind at the time due to his mental condition so supervised contact could be given if you know he did not die
@anniewallace3601 you also need to remember there are fathers out who should loose cistody but judges give shared custody even after history of sometimes kidnaping some almost dying for various reasons from not getting or access to meds needed for the children or domestic violence because of old ideas of what a family should be so yeah he may have tried to contact her before but he lost most sympathy long before this by leaving her then sealed it in steel the second he picked up that gun
Damn. To think that kid could have been patient and waited a few weeks to a couple of months and gotten his son without going and doing that crap. He was his father and he could have gotten custody of him. Instead...
I mean, to fair, anyone who decides bring a gun to a hospital, shoot someone, and then take a hostage in an attempt to force their ex to get back together with them probably shouldn't be raising a child.
in US? under what rock have you been living. fathers dont have rights US. mothers will deliberately quit jobs to get paid child support and courts allow it.
He had his chance and he blew it, he abandoned the mother after she told him that she's pregnant, and came back for the last minute and ready to be a father and making $12 an hour? That's not even enough to provide. What a selfish sorry excuse piece of crap.
the biological dad lost his chances as a parent. and honestly he shouldnt be in the first place because its people like him usually would do something horrible to the child cause god forbid they were told no and denied. wtf is his problem
“I’m not leaving without my son!” If you want your son so badly, then why did you run away when Lily told you she was pregnant? Why are you just now desperate to have your baby and Lily? You’re the reason she wants to give the baby away. You broke all trust she had in you when you abandoned her. You’ve lost all right to this baby.
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue And then he shoots her dad and threatens a whole hospital at gunpoint when he doesn't get his way. He would've been a terrible father.
@@pinkstarlight He abandoned her when she needed him the most, waited until the last minute to show up, threw a tantrum when she refused to take him back, shot her father and a security guard, threatened her mother and the hospital staff at gunpoint, impeded the hospital's efforts to save her by refusing to let them take her to an operating room, and threatened to kill everone in the hospital when Ms. Goodwin refused to give him the baby that he'd callously abandoned for 9 months before suddenly deciding that he wanted it. He has done nothing but show that he's completely unfit to raise this child. Forget about custody rights. He'd be lucky if the court would even permit him to live near the child. He's not remotely fit to be a father. Because of his actions, he has lost all right to this baby.
While I agree that a father should have more of a say in the matters of custody and such, this is the sort of thing that proves you are so not what's best for your child.
The original intended mother for the child backs out of the adoption obviously because the father of said child held a gun to her head. So well yes the pregnant child gives birth and puts the baby up for adoption it's going into the foster care system not just being adopted to somebody, and the foster care system in the US is full of predators and people who literally have zero interest in the job. But being someone who was shuffled around that system for neuron 15 years I probably have a poor opinion of it, the same as 90% of the other kids who are treated as so much garbage by the government if you're over the age of 10 no one wants you you're just a burden so hopefully that baby gets adopted hopefully they don't go through the same s*** most do in the foster care system. But being that this is TV it doesn't really matter cuz there was no baby there was no pregnancy it's fake.
The show leaves it open ended, I think. Lily asks to hold her baby, calling it "mine". She could still give it up, but with how hormones work and her calling the baby, "mine", means there's a good chance she might decide to keep it.
Poor Lilly! She just had emergency surgery, watched her dad and her baby daddy get shot, her baby was taken by someone, and she probably thought that her mom was going to get shot. This poor girl will need so much therapy! Edit: I didn’t mean to start an argument in the replies…
Well if she had not been so stubborn and allowed the father to witness the birth, this would not have happened. I hope her father does not make it. Would serve her right for what she did to her boyfriend.
@@peterfraney7931b SERIOUSLY 😐!!! You’re blaming HER for HIS ACTIONS!!! That is a load of bull! If someone contributed to me getting pregnant/bailed in me for the majority of it & then just waltz back in at the last sec & suddenly decide he wanted a family, I’d have his butt thrown out too!!!
@@peterfraney7931b In my opinion, family is a privilege, not a right & he threw that away when he bailed! Don’t get me wrong, you can get those rights back, but YOU HAVE TO EARN IT… with action, not words!!! That would be how’d I’d handle it. He could have man up/taken responsibility for not pulling his weight & done the right things to remain a part of his child’s life. Instead, he played the victim/blamed everyone else for his mess & then proceeded to do nothing, but endanger both her & their child’s lives, but nearly take a bunch of others w/ them! Sorry, but I can’t have a ton of sympathy for that 😖
David (the father of the soon to be baby) cant just assume he can walk back into their lives and shoot people and have a right over the child since hes the one who left at the start of the pregnancy
Reminds me oddly of the case of that little girl that resulted in a custody battle because she was put up for adoption while he was on deployment, and it was a battle fought between her adoptive parents and himself. I don’t have the heart to find out who won, cause there is no winner in that situation.
Now if he was fully involved none of this would’ve happened. People siding with him are plan ignorant. He had NO right. He gave her no assurance and clearly she was making the right decision. He’s definitely the family annihilator type
Holding them at gunpoint just lost him any chance of maintaining parental rights to that child.
People get desperate when you take away all their rights.
@@MarcusTheJRexcept he still had rights. All he had to do was contest the adoption legally.
@GreenBeanTM I've been in the foster care system. It takes months for the issues to be fixed. And that young man probably doesn't have any resources.. So he chose violence.
If your okay with someone making life choices, without you having a say so, then do you
@@MarcusTheJR he also left. So the decision was made before he came back. Imo the second he walked out sealed his decision of not wanting the kid so he doesn’t get a say. There also organizations set up to help parents fight for custody if they can’t afford a private lawyer. He had options and choosing violence was only going to work against him, not help him.
@@MarcusTheJR it was still his fault.
I love the way she protected her patient when he first came in with the gun
Natalie gets a lot of hate but I do love how much she cares for a lot of her female patients especially those who are teenagers/young girls
@@laurenorourke2442 me aswell
Natalie is that character I don't understand. Her late husband was a US army ranger yet at the same time she's completely anti-gun. Even if he was still alive I guarantee you he would have said guns don't kill people people kill people. We live in a city with extreme liberal progressive anti-gun laws yet has the highest gun violence in America. I don't know her husband but then again that's exactly the way he would say it. I remember discovering how he just lost his life in Afghanistan never got to come home to his witness his son being born
2:07 gun shot
How come the girl had scratches on her face?
If he just contested the adoption legally he would have had a chance. Using weaponized force with violent intent ruined his chances. No decent judge would have listened to him with the choices he made. So sad.
He's a teenager, I'm pretty sure that knowledge won't fly across his head unless an adult told him about it.
@@Annah.k not all teens are mentally capable
People are saying “he could’ve contested it in court” this wasn’t just about the baby. This whole thing was him wanting BOTH his ex and baby, even after shooting her father he expected her to want him. Thats why he came to the hospital w/ a gun instead of to a lawyers office, a lawyer can’t force his girlfriend back.
Then he should have no right to raise a child
Now… his life is ruined.
"I'm taking my baby and Lily and we're getting out of here.... Give me my son. You don't have a choice," Bruh you shot your child's grandfather and threatened his grandmother. The entitlement is on another scale.
That wasn't the grandmother, that the adoptive mother. But I agree with you. He was wrong the moment he showed claiming he made a mistake. He had 9 months to realize he wanted to be with her.
Cowards and faint-hearted runaways
Look for orations when the foe is near:
Our swords shall play the orators for us.
He had his chance and he blew it.
@@angelicanewton2458 no those were lilys parents
@@crystaleuwing8411 No, the dad was man was the girls father. The woman was the adoptive mother. The girl even said she was adopting her baby.
As someone who IS ADOPTED I can tell ya absolutely NO JUDGE OR SOCIAL SERVICES will let ANY MAN LIKE HIM NEAR A CHILD
Thank god !
Yeah Sherlock
Don't you mean any PARENT like him? There are some sick mothers out there as well and they get let off the hook until the child is DISCOVERED that it's near death or worse dead within days, weeks, months, or sometimes years later
@@CowFairy No need to be sarcastic. Do you parents know that you have an account. You have to be 13 to have an account you know this right?
@ray uh yeah we know there are BOTH sick mothers and fathers out there. But this was specifically about dad's.
I agree with the mom (Lily) and her decision. Though she may have not known that he was THIS unstable, he abandoned her for the entire pregnancy then thinks he can come back once he finds out she’s in the hospital, shoots her dad, a security officer, and holds the entire floor at gun point.
And still shouts out for him like she still cares about him when he got shot.
Almost like a moment where you don't realize what you have until it's gone
Not to mention nearly killing her/their child by refusing to let the doctors take care of them/denying them the medical treatment they clearly needed 😡
@@Ray_Shabaz Oh, come on! Can’t even imagine ALL the emotions she was feeling/will be feeling afterwards! Despite everything he did, they were in a relationship/he’s the FATHER of her child. I’m sure she wanted him to be punished, but I highly doubt she wanted him dead!!!
Biological mothers (and father) both need to be involved in the decision for adoption. Otherwise it can lead to sever issues down the line. What the mother did here ( despite him breaking mentally and abandoning her) was the incorrect way to approach an adoption cause aside of the father actually having rights in this scenario it also puts the adoptive parents at risk down the line of dad fights back in the court system. However this made for better entertainment television.
@@theotherstar7040 I completely agree w/ both biological parents being involved in the adoption process, but David flat removed HIMSELF from the situation/made no effort to be involved/just left her to deal w/ it by herself! Sorry, but personally I just feel like you don’t get to bail on responsibility for nearly a year/waltz back at last sec & demand you suddenly have a say 😐
My sympathy for this guy is nonexistent.
hes dead jim
its cos you dont understand between right and wrong
@@elarp137 I do. The idiot holding the gun didn't. He was no different than a petulant child throwing a fit because he couldn't get his way and two people paid a steep price for his behavior.
@@TK42100 how else do you expect someone to react when they take away your rights and your kid ?
@@elarp137 um, not kill people? He had rights, he just had to go the legal route. Also he clearly didn't actually care about Lily or the baby, someone who loved either or both of them wouldn't have put their lives in danger like this. That's possessiveness, not love
For anyone saying that he has the right to his child needs to watch the episode. Part of the reason she decided to go with adoption and not tell him is because he (the father) abandoned her and disappeared when she told him she was pregnant. He decided last minute when he found out she was in the hospital that he wanted her and the baby.
I see that. I think what some of us mean is that he’s still legally the father until he signs over his parental rights. Legally being a father doesn’t make you a good father, certainly.
And yet, he still has the legal right to contest the adoption, up to the ppint of forcing a DNA test if she claims she doesn't know.
But none of that makes for a medical drama.
Yeah but he said he was going through a hard time with his mother being sick and stuff when he first found out. It doesn't matter if he changes his mind. That's his baby he should have the right to it too.
@@MissKitae and yet he decided to shoot her father, force her to give birth at gun point and then attempt to kidnap the child
@@ashlynfoust4400 so that gives him the right to abandon his family? Everyone goes through hard times but you don't see them holding the mother of his child, and a whole hospital at gun point
For people defending him, in no way would you or anyone else want a trigger-happy father. Run from responsibilities for almost a year then come back being aggressive when something doesn’t go your way. Who knows what else.
Given how many defending him are also spouting men's right and incel rhetoric they'd probably do the exact same thing or something worse because someone said no to them.
Communication is must between girlfriend and her boyfriend. He just abandoned her after finding out that she was pregnant with his child. She never responded to her call made by him and she skipped the part where he might be ready to become father of her child.
Both should be put on jail because both of these teenage couple I mean the boyfriend and girlfriend are ones to cause the havoc due to lack of communication between them then leading the father to this.
This not about rights of what gender they belong to. This problem of their communication between this girlfriend and her boyfriend. I think both should be arrested for creating havoc.
Not to mention, he ran from the hard part of the pregnancy and is only showing up when he thinks she is ready to pop. When the honeymoon phase of Fatherhood fades and he realizes that taking care of a baby is actual work, who is to say he won't just dip again? Leave the mom to deal with all the hard parts of parenting and then come back when the baby is able to play and be independent?
@@ayajade6683 LOL more straw man attacks.
I think he lost his mind. He was emotional and not thinking clearly. I wish someone either from the hospital or one if her parents could have talked to him and discussed if he was really ready for the responsibility. He could try to be in the kids life in a clear headed fashion rather than thinking emotionally, and losing it and bringing a gun into a hospital and insisting on running away with his ex girlfriend and the baby.
What an amazing brave woman to put the baby and everyone before her own life, saying “youll have to start with me” in such a calm voice in response to “I will kill everyone in this hospital”. What a woman
Sharon is queen
Honestly, with the amount of violations and crises that have gone on in this hospital, I’m surprised Med has done as well as it has.
I know right?
It’s just a show based off real situations
@@rixyz7013 I know, im just making jokes
You think that is bad? Wait till you hear about this hospital in Seattle called Grey Sloan!
Personally, I think it's to be expected when you live in a place like Chicago.
if he hadn’t come in with a gun, he could have gotten the kid, but now he’s ensured it will go up for adoption
Maybe but he left her during her pregnancy.
@@trinitylivingston1286 Legally speaking that wouldn't be taken into account
He wouldn’t have gotten the kid even if he had contested the adoption. No judge in their right mind would grant full custody to a teenager with no job, no source of income, and no home stability. Also it wasn’t about getting the baby. He wanted his ex back and thought she’d take him back if he stepped up last minute, that’s why he brought the gun. He always planned on using force if she said no to being with him again
@@slashymarauderness Yes it absolutely would. If he was mia the whole pregnancy and she didn't put him on the birth certificate her has no legal rights to the baby. From that point on he can try to contest it but it is out of baby moms hands
@@trinitylivingston1286 No, it absolutely would not. We live in the days of DNA. If he contested the adoption, his relationship with the mother is absolutely irrelevant if he can prove he's the father.
Dude abandoned her for the whole pregnancy and can’t take no for an answer. He doesn’t deserve to be a father.
No he said he need try to talk to her for mouths with an s meaning for the 1-9 mouth when he found out and got that job he need try to talk to her or her parents but they stop him he didn't abandon them or her
Would you want to have no job your mother sick like really sick try to help your mum then fine out your going to be an dad it to much stress
All we know he was told that after he lost his job and his mum was sick for me as an teen to see this I would be horror find like I would be so stress I would be out of the pitcher then come back then it cool down like mum not sick I got an good job I hade time to think then get block from the mother of your baby can't talk to them untill the birth of your baby but hey that can't be me why I am an girl not an boy
Don't take the girl side look at the bigger picture your don't know the parents could hate him an block him from the gf mama baby life and lie to her we dont know ahnahh
does that mean if a mom takes the child and abandons a dad for years, she has no right to come back 12 years later and demand child support? using your logic
@@alicatfelix5144 he literally never said he tried calling her for months. What he said was "you never answer my calls" and then basically admitted he wouldn't be there without the job. He could have come to her at any time before that, but he waited until he heard from her friend that she was in the hospital. Just proof that he obviously didn't try very hard.
@@craigclermond8001 your comment has no logic because no one was talking about child support. she wasn't keeping the baby, she was giving it away because theyre both high schoolers.
@@hexes5122 maybe youre slow. I brought up the point because a comment said he loss his rights because he wasn't there for 9 months. I pointed out there are many cases where guys arent even told they have a kid and years later the mom can just come back and demand payments. Tired of the bs double standard. High schooler or not he should have rights if the child is his.If she doesn't want the child as the dad he should have the option to take responsibility before giving it to a stranger. At the very least he should have say in who adopts the child. Its sickening society sees dads as less than human.
Can we please just give props to Goodwin for being so calm in such a high stress situation?
Tell me about it! I definitely couldn’t have done that! She’s totally badass!!!
I know
@@rezaulkarim9198 Still feel bad for her cuz she clearly knew David wasn’t evil/had evil intentions, but he clearly was a threat to Lily/their child & her staff & she made the right choice to protect them all
@@rezaulkarim9198 David should have just listened to her from the start & he might have had a chance to be a part of his son’s life. Now, like Goodwin said, he has NO CHOICE 😔
@@jillians.6930 I agree
High level of respect for the doctors who immediately went to David to try and keep him alive. Taking their job with respect.
Well, I’m a nurse I don’t think I would’ve helping you play. Stupid games win stupid prizes.
@@Americanpatriot-zo2tk fair enough
Yeah, considering everything he just put them through! Don’t know if I’d be so quick to help someone who just spent possibly hours threatening to kill me & my friends cuz things didn’t go their way due to them not taking responsibility for their choices! But, they still stepped up/did their jobs cuz it’s the right thing to do!
@@jillians.6930me: " i bet 20 dollars he dies ".
Well I mean, he was good as dead. That shot was incredibly precise and intended to end the target’s life. The best doctors in the world won’t be able to help him lol
While I do think that both biological parents should consent to the adoption under ideal circumstances, I think the baby daddy lost his right to that as soon as he started shooting people. He made himself look like an unfit father and didn't help his case at all. I get that he was frustrated with people not letting him talk about it, but he went about it in the wrong way.
you probaly gave up achild without consent from the dad
@@ayhamerraiyani1259 try being unreasonable like the father in the video. You’ll see this situation will make you act insane
@@ayhamerraiyani1259 the dad was.... threatening everyone with a gun and even shot the mom's father?? no way you and four others are actually offended by the comment LOL
@@cinnarenaroll1292 I think you meant for that to be for the original comment, although Ayham’s comment may be uncalled for if it’s not true
Well there was a reason he wasn't considered. Do you think if their relationship was good that they would have left him out?
I think the father has a right to the child and should consent for adoption, but if he abandoned her when he found out she was pregnant and said he didn't want it, well... you can't let someone go through 9 months of stress and planning and then come in and be like, "oh, yeah. I changed my mind. I'm an important person in this situation." How long until you change your mind again?
Correct he made his Choice and now he regrets it. If he wants the baby he needs to go through court.
I disagree, if you don’t want the baby anyway and the father seems to really care about the child the father should have a say on adoption, you have every right to say he’ll be a single father but no right to say he doesn’t have a right to care for his child
@@Ultrasoulviver no he doesn't he abandoned her for nine MONTHS if he did not want to get involved then he shouldn't be involved now
@@stephenchapasko5185 he abandoned the mother for 9 months not the baby, a father’s responsibility doesn’t start until birth, then it’s up to the to them provide, as I’ve said she had the right to say you’ll be a single parent.
A mother has 6 months AFTER an adoption to change her mind. Why is a father not given the same choice
Are we gonna ignore how smart that nurse was that led him into the swat's line of fire?
Not a nurse she's the president of the hospital
@@spIasher mb mb Im not a full show watcher, but holy craps its been 9 months my g
@@spIasher Sharon WAS a nurse
People are saying “he could’ve contested it in court” this wasn’t just about the baby (Not to mention he’s not even legally the father). This whole thing was him wanting BOTH his ex and baby, even after shooting her father he expected her to want him. Thats why he came to the hospital w/ a gun instead of to a lawyers office, a lawyer can’t force his girlfriend back.
Because he's psychotic.
Why is he not legally the father?
@@Rachel-xg7hs if the baby’s adoptive parents and the birth mother already made legal agreements on the adoption then the adoptive father is the legal father
@@icedboba1446 Without the biological father ever signing over his parental rights?
@@Rachel-xg7hs he never had rights
“All children deserve parents, but not all parents deserve a child.”
Does he think this makes him a good father?
No
@@yellowhearrts Precisely
A (very bad) lawyer could use this as an (admittedly poor) defense that he'd be willing to do anything for his child.
He's a Killer ! 😠
@@brotherdaniel1524
Yeah he's a Monster !
The fact that he pulled this crap pretty much cements the fact that he is not fit to raise a kid.
are you forgetting the part where they took his kid away from him LMAO
@@elarp137 Doesn’t justify shooting people!
@@elarp137 Are you missing the part where he abandoned her for most of her pregnancy.
but it does show that he deeply cares about the kid
@elarp137 And that makes it better?
"im taking lilly" he is one of those dudes who would eventually kill the mom and children as he sees them as his property to take as he sees fit. he almost killed mom and baby multiple times by firing gunshots near them, traumatizing the mom during pregnancy, making pregnancy as traumatic and dangerous as possible by effectively not allowing her to be moved to get the best medicine, ease of access to medical equipment, and tried to drag them out of the hospital immediately post birth which would have been excruciatingly dangerous for the mom and make baby miss out on important post partum care, etc. He didn't want the baby, he wanted his "property" and his "ideal life"
Agreed
Agreed. By taking the baby "to the hood", the baby will eventually be reclaimed by the authorities. His fantasy of a family is gone.
which AUTOMATICALLY CAN NOT get since that would require EQAUL WORK/EARNING IT
Yup. Coercive control
@nobodyanon And it is woerd because had he just calmed down he could have just came back and asked for paternity and sued to have his child. But that wasn't good enough because he wanted Lilly to he wanted the struggle life for both of them
I felt nothing when he dropped.
The second I saw Sharon backing away with the Baby while she was at gunpoint. I knew SWAT had him in their sights.
No right to the child. He got her pregnant, held no responsibility, left her and is now murdering her father. This person would make a horrible father and I feel bad for his child if he had a father like that.
He has all the rights to his child
@maahiahmed9903 He lost his rights the moment he ditched her. Even more so when he pulled the gun on his child’s grandfather.
You don’t get to have the easy way out while your girlfriend puts up with whatever that you put in her.
He left her for NINE months
To be fair, he was trying to take that responsibility. He ditched that the moment he pulled out that gun, though.
know she know how it is to be without a father. she was doing the same to him. 😂😊
I like how she drew him right out into the swat teams sights.👌👌
David deserved it
Ikr that was pretty badass
@@philipcearley1992No he didn't.
@@trivonnereid769 Babe... how. & no, don't answer that, because he 100% did deserve it
@@philipcearley1992 His life was forfeit the moment he pointed his gun at innocent people.
Honestly if he was absent until now he really has no rights. His entire effort was only a few seconds of donation. On top of that he is endangering her life which shows what an awful father he is going to be.
That's what I'm thinking. If you're going to give up a project halfway through, you can't then be mad at your partner for finishing the project a different way than you wanted. You left them to do all the heavy lifting by themselves, so of course they're going to do things their way.
thats actually not how it works. he has rights once that baby is born until the courts take them away. without them being married he would have to have a paternity test, and then file for custody/joint.
@@IrishHeart Exactly. Biological paternity, under the law, gives automatic legal rights to the child. The courts would need a reason to take that away such as him waving a gun around. But any other case, they would likely side with the biological father if it was an issue that the mother attempted to give a child up for adoption without a good faith effort to obtain his consent.
He has no rights to the child at that time as the mother did not list him as father of the child. He does have the right to legally contest for paternity and through that custody which he could do at any time before and after birth. But until he goes through the courts he doesn't have any rights to the child.
@@IrishHeart well not after holding everyone hostage in the er. He basically did almost killed and/or lead to Rhodes and Lilys dads deaths and held a bunch of other people hostage.
Ya no you don't get to abandon the mother of your child for the whole pregnancy than call out parental rights at the last minute. Never had sympathy for him but then he decided to do all this and put both of them at risk with his stupid actions... absolutely no sympathy ever for people like him
Yep and shooting ppl and thus putting the baby and his mother in MORE danger.
If he cared at all rather than being self righteous within his own ego, he'd never have brought a gun around his baby like that but even then, once he knew the mother and baby were in real danger, he would have backed off and had the doctors do all they needed to do be sure that baby would be ok.
Well he actually does
The grandfather used force first and also he still has legal rights to the baby and had a real case especially when being forcibly removed by someone without authorization though he lost all that after he pulled the gun but had he not then he would’ve been in the right here because he did try to contact her
@@whatsomeonesaidwastaken9216
It doesn't work that way and since you brought it up, the grandfather to be was protecting HIS child.
No, after the way he acted before, he has no rights.... Those have to be EARNED also..... he wasn't "just protecting his baby" he's a freaking psychopath who has no business being around any child, including any he's related to. He's clearly mentally unstable, what part of that don't you understand?
He was mentally ill and even taking that into consideration, it still doesn't make what he did ok.
The CHILD'S rights come first and has the right to be PROTECTED from someone so severely mentally ill.
Ppl like him end up abusing children, including their own. Ppl like him often end up killing their kids, then everyone would point out how everyone knew how mentally unstable he was and shouldn't have been allowed to be with the child.
The child is a HUMAN LIFE not some possession. There is no "equality" in this and the "father" and the doesn't deserve it nor can he be trusted with it.
Anyone that would try to make any of this ok is as deluded and mentally ill as the character.
He didn't. He said he'd been trying to contact her for months and she wouldn't return his calls. How do people keep missing that???
Honestly, even though he had every right to change his mind, and contest the adoption.. he's the one who said he wasn't ready to be a dad. So his gf took that to mean he was giving up his parental rights, in my opinion.. so that probably why she felt she didn't need to tell him and didn't want to go begging him to stay.
My thoughts exactly. He up and left her to deal with the pregnancy alone basically the moment she told him she was pregnant. And then he refused to contact her until the day she was giving birth. "You weren't answering my calls," my ass. Buddy, you had anywhere between 6 - 8 months to tell her you wanted to be a dad, and you didn't. You waited until the very last second to do it.
@@choryllis6646 and that has no bearing on his rights as a father as legally he does not have to support the mother durring pregnancy as you all say his rights do not start until after the baby is born so his responsibility also does not start until after the baby is born so no he does not have to stay and yes he can just turn up after the baby is born and demand his rights and he will get them
you cannot have it both ways
@@olivia-yz1wi He won't "get them"? He would have to go to court. And a judge would be unlikely to give a teenager making minimum wage sole custody of a child.
i agree, and he had every right to be mad
This was extremely well done. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.
I remember watching this episode and my god this terrified me. If I was ever in that situation where there was someone being crazy with a gun, I probably would have passed out. I get he wants his son but this was not the way at all.
he didn't even want his son, he just wanted her and to be in control of their lives. we see it all the time, dude says he wants kids, talks the good dad talk, but when the kid actually shows up and mom needs help, he's too busy playing xbox and getting drunk after work. but god help her if she tries to leave, he didn't authorize that...
@@dietotaku yep
It was insane
I’m glad you’ve seen the episode! Can you tell me if the dad of the girl who gave birth survived?
@@captainwatercress yes! the father survives, and lily keeps the baby after the adoptive mother runs away
The father having legal rights or not, def. not stable for wanting to kiII all the hospital to run away with his boy. I don't feel sorry for him at all.
What makes him think he can take the baby after who knows how long? You run from it, there's no take backs. So really, there was no rights, and it cost him his life. If he doesn't make it that is.
I know it's safe to say he wasn't exactly thinking straight, but I always wonder what people think will be outcome of taking an action like this.
It’s like he thought if he had custody of the baby, he’d still have a relationship with her. But if he wasn’t there for her at the scariest moments, that ship sailed long ago. He could’ve had the baby, possibly pretty easily as she was waiving parental rights, but he wasn’t gonna get what he thought he could.
What that means is: even normal men can be driven to commit extreme violence when they feel that their family and way of life is being threatened.
@@EMkilroy100 is it really his family if he left for most of the pregnancy cuz he didn't want the kid and only changed his mind when the kid was about to come? and honestly the only threat was him
@@EMkilroy100 His way of life would have been exactly the same since he was not involved for the entire pregnancy. Nothing would have changed for him - it would have been as if the pregnancy never happened. And they never were a family. They were in a relationship that ended.
Outcome is life in American jail
I’m sorry he’s saying “it’s not my fault?” dude has a gun and shot the girl’s dad right in FRONT OF HER!!! When I first saw this scene it was intense and had so much anxiety 😢😢😢
He's just making an excuse for his actions, it's NOT!
This is what happens when you're pushed to your limits. When you feel powerless and everything is being striped from you.
The mother and her parents are on top of this untouchable pyramid and are stripping YOUR kid from you, then they assault YOU and have YOU escorted away by security.
He intially said he didn't want the baby for 9months the girl's family were the ones taking care of her and the baby.the day of the operation he surfaced what was the family to do
@@Earthfurry717 maybe he shouldn't have left for almost an entire year of her pregnancy. 9 months is almost a year.
@@trinitylivingston1286 About the kid not th emother, he owes the mother nothing.
"Okay, Lily, we gotta go right now!"
*like mans you just abandoned her! what do you mean?! And your deciding to SHOOT UP THE HOSPITAL?! PUTTING MORE LIVES IN DANGER, EVEN PEOPLE WHO IS SICK, WAITING FOR HELP?!* that amount of disrespect is on TOP level.
He seemed to view the mother and child as belonging to him and anyone or anything that comes in between them as enemies, and it completely blinded his judgement. Why would she ever leave the life she has now behind for this clearly unstable guy that just shot her father and nearly got her and her baby killed?
Not to mention that she literally just delivered a baby via surgery. Moms post-C-Section are generally given at least 4 days in the hospital to heal enough to walk and take care of any post-surgical observation and treatment before they leave, and that's a safe C-section. She just had a more complicated surgery made worse by the fact that they didn't have all the resources they needed to delivery the baby safely and ensure she had no complications. And chances are she couldn't walk either. He was literally putting her in danger by trying to force her to leave the hospital after a surgery like that.
It is the father's legal right to contest the adoption but holding a gun isn't the way to do it. I've seen countless fathers get their kids after the bio moms have tried placing the baby up for adoption.
I have seen cases where the bio dad did not want custody of the kid, but did want visitation and parental rights, and was able to force the mom to keep and raise the kid and give him visitation.
They probable didn't talk to him because he acts like this.
@@kellharris2491 thats not an excuse
@@MissterClown I mean, it kind of is. Lack of education can make people do crazy things because they don't realize there's a better way.
@@MissterClown he abandoned her for majority of the pregnancy and resorted to violence instead of taking legal action
“Listen I got a good job. They’re paying me $12 an hour.”
Honey…that is definitely not enough to support a baby. 🤣
But it's full time!
That's not enough to support yourself, let alone a spouse and child, and a sick mother to boot.
@@choryllis6646 100% agree
Soooo? The baby should be striped away? Lol
@@Earthfurry717 I’m not here to tell other people what to do. However that’s gonna impact your child in the long run. If it were me I wouldn’t have even kept it. I would’ve been at the clinic as soon as I found out.
It's nice to also see the parents in these shows be supportive of their kid and their kids decision for ONCE!
9:25 death of david
did we see the same clip. the father wanted the adoption even more, because $
@@brmbklno what I saw Is a dad standing with his child who made the biggest decision ever so all this $ talk is bs
Dude lost any chance of legally contesting the adoption when he BROUGHT GUNS INTO A _HOSPITAL!!!_
Thank God for SWAT. What a brave woman. This is a great series
I can't believe that man shot that girl's father all because she was going to put their baby up for adoption. I bet the only reason she wanted to put their baby up for adoption after it was born was because she wasn't ready to become a mother and she was scared of that man and feared that he would raise their son or daughter to become a monster like him.
He shot the father for being rude.
@janedoexxhoe First of all that's not a valid reason to shoot anyone. Second of all the dad had every right to be rude cause this kid knocked up his daughter and dipped. And then had the audacity to try and weasel his way back into her life and try to make decisions for her after causing her emotional trauma
@@LadydogC I understand the job and family issues. That doesn't excuse the fact that he didn't even try to contact her until her last month of pregnancy. That's too late. Too late to have a say in the decision. So no, it's up the mother, and in this case since it seems like she's a minor (or at least very young), the parents of the mother get input. Period. You don't just walk out your baby mama's life and expect to be welcomed back with open arms and have a say in what happens to the baby as she's in labor. I'm sure he knew where she lived and could've gone to see her, which means he probably didn't even try to contact her until she started going into labor. He doesn't get to have a say when she went through the entire pregnancy ALONE. He has no right to get mad about a decision they made during the 9-month pregnancy when he was willingly uninvolved.
@@sarahjinnah9981 they literally say that she wasn't answering his calls, and do you really think her father would have let him talk to her if he had shown up on their door? No, he had no right to shoot people, but the one thing he is absolutely correct about is that they legally could not give up the child for adoption without his consent, he did in fact have a right to his child, at least up until he pulled a gun, don't discount the fact that he did in fact try to man up and take responsibility, even if it was too little too late, because it actually was just in time if he had gone the legal route
@@LadydogC he could have still talked to her… told her he didn’t have a job but was looking for one and wants to support them however he can. Even just emotionally supporting her could have changed a lot. Worst case is they choose to give up the child but keep visitation rights and the kid is fostered until either one or both of them are ready to be parents.
The dude left the baby and her until the last second ... Its been MONTHS of stress for her body , for her mind , for her parents, he was jobless , with a sick mom , he is obviously violent , rather come back with a gun than investigate his parental legal rights , and people in the comments are defending that she shouldnt had decide on adoption withouth telling him ?!
My last words to him would have been "That's what you get."
Push a man to his limit then taunt him. Goodjob.
@@Earthfurry717 if you think that's pushing a man to his limit you've lived such a sheltered life you have no idea what the real world is likem imagine believing that losing custody of one child, not even that child dying, is anywhere near the worst that can happen to you! You need to grow up, kiddo.
@@scottmatheson3346 I love you so much.
The truly sad fact about this situation is that our society has raised an entire generation to believe that violence is the only solution to our problems.
I think the problem is literally NO ONE told him he has the legal right to keep his kid regardless of the mother's decision to relinquish her parental rights.
@@helRAEzzzer he could investigated instead of coming back to shot people ...
@@helRAEzzzer I doubt he even asked the question. He was very emotionally unstable, despite saying he was in a better place to take care of the baby and the mother, and I don't think he thought there was any other way around it. He didn't even go to Google and say, "mother giving up baby without father's consent". The staff didn't reach out to him and say, "You can take this option if you still want the baby," but that's also not really their job nor is it generally safe to approach a kid who just got escorted out by security. His immediate reaction was to go home, grab a gun, hold a man at gunpoint, and tell a mother in labor that they're leaving the hospital.
Reasonable men are sometimes forced by society to do unreasonable things. Look at the killdozer guy. Look at every man who has had the woman he loves, his children, his job, his home, his entire life ripped from him. And then the people who did it to him act as if they have the moral high ground, because they forced a man into violence.
...thats the only thing you got outta this?
choi has done so many risky things to do medical procedures to save somebody’s life in combat zones, he would definitely make a great combat medic
Are people really downplaying his clearly abusive and violent tendencies because they "understand where he's coming from"?
Wtf is up with this comment section?
you havent experienced this type of situation then you cant understand it...obviously
@@theofficialphoenixtv5765 doesn't take a genius to know that he's clearly unhinged and a danger to everyone around him.
@@theofficialphoenixtv5765 I hope people haven't experienced being held hostage at gunpoint
I know right! The dude obviously dipped on her when he found out she was pregnant. He had 9 months to decide if he wanted the kid or not and he waits till the moment the kid is about to be handed over?
one can validate a persons feelings and understand how one could have such feelings without actually thinking they are good, or een bad. Its called looking at it from others perspectives doesnt mean you cant also see it from her perspective and ultimately think he was out of line.
Like, according to him, he made calls and has been trying to contact her for some time now.
I dont think that excuses running at first, but it does mean he was trying and she wouldnt even answer and say what she planned or even to say hey please stop or etc.. not that she truly should be expected (esp if he was toxic abusive when together!) But you can UNDERSTAND these things without agreeing.
I think hes nuts but I think he probably wouldnt be "nuts" if there was a healthy communicated plan from , say, her parents or soemone else to avoid making it harder on her.
Then that way he could properly deal with the feelings without it being condensed to a few short hours presumably before its too late.
But, also, if he truly was stable and wanted to be dad to his son, that would be his opportunity to put money where mouth is on his job and place etc etc..
loved how manning protected and shielded athe girl, took care of the dad and comforted her. slay queen. u go girl nat!
This is why young pregnancy is so dangerous personally speaking the immense amount of teenage anxiety and many facing mental health... coupled with a baby is a recipe for trouble.. I would know.. I pray for young moms to have courage and protection.
American schools preaching abstinence and not teaching contraception is absolutely ridiculous. If you're so religious that you don't believe in contraception then you shouldn't believe in premarital sex either. You can't have it both ways.
Obviously people coerced into sex can't help this.
@@KateLate____ ????? okay thanks.
@@KateLate____ "American schools preaching abstinence and not teaching contraception is absolutely ridiculous" 100% agreed! Which is why I will be talking to my son about this MYSELF when he's old enough.
@@KateLate____ They think teaching about protection endorces sex when its absurd its meatly prepares them if they choose to do it
@@informationyes exactly! I listened to lessons about contraception and then waited till I finished school to have sex. Even if you wait till marriage, which has its benefits, you still need to prevent pregnancy if you're getting married during college and don't want a child immediately. Unless you're anti contraception entirely.
You can’t just change your mind after leaving her and muscle yourself through and still expect to be catered to as the parent.
The baby is better off without him.
At no point was he expecting to be "catered to" but he does have every right to be part of his son's life.
@@CBerrieshe shot the father of the mother of the baby and another innocent person he does NOT deserve to be apart of his son’s life
The father of the baby can’t leave her and come back 9 months later
Maaaaybe if you’re trying to convince your ex that you’re stable enough to take care of you’re own child ALONG with trying to get back with her, maaaaaybe you shouldn’t come in with a gUN
Legally all he had to do was do nothing. get a lawyer and he could have contested the adoption. getting the gun was stupid...
Yeah this episode sucked
Yeah but this just shows how emotionally unstable he really was and if he really wanted the baby he should’ve hired a lawyer.
@@sw8330GKEEPERHe thought this was the best way to get the baby by using violence and force, even putting patients and the mother's life in danger for it.
the court in US rather would put the kid down a meatgrinder than acknowledge fasthers rights.
@@KossolaxtheForesworn Ah, so his decision to infringe on the rights of multiple other people (including putting his own child at risk which he 'cared' so much about by proxy) makes that okay, huh.
You shoot multiple people, attempt to kidnap a baby, and walk in with a gun?? Yeah, he was either getting killed or Life in prison.
"Then you're gonna have to start with me."
Oh my God Goodwin, you QUEEN
i just died from cringe LMAO
Sharon is just so sweet, i know its her job but the way she comforts david after hes shot even after hes just at shot her staff
Failure of a person; failure of a boyfriend; would’ve been a failure of a father too.
Good riddance. Nice shot by the SWAT officer.
Where was Dr. Charles in all this? He is good talking emotionally unstable people down
She denied him because he abandoned her. Anyone would hate anyone who abandons them yet Lily still cried for David…I really sense a complex love/heartbreak situation here
David didn’t really care about Lilly or his son. Even at the beginning he was blaming Lilly for “not answering his calls”and claiming he had just lost his job & was scared. I have a cousin who became a teen dad in his junior year of high school, he was terrified and definitely wasn’t ready, but he was determined not to be a deadbeat like his dad had been.He got a decent job to provide for his daughter & her mom with help from both sets of parents my cousin isn’t with her anymore, but she sings his praises compared to her 2nd baby daddy, my cousin is actively involved in his daughter’s life.
DAVIDDON'T 0:43
While a father has a right to his child, a man like this has no right to anyone.
Not necessarily. What's best for the child is not always what's best for the father. If the father chose to abandon the baby and the mother, the court would see he is not the right person for the child. Children are not property
Good on the swat guy, doing his job nicely
By killing an obsessive man
@@robertbreschard3493 your point? Dude was just doing his job, probably would have been demoted or fired if he didn't. I have no sympathy for a stupid man.
@@robertbreschard3493 Yeah. 👍
No not good they should negotiate and arrest him and not involve swat at all they should negotiate and then arrest him and one of the doctors could have taken him down or taken the gun while he was distracted rather then have swat kill the man
nah the swat guy was wrong on this one
It’s stuff like this that kind of make it clear to me that if a woman feels that she cant take care of a child for whatever reason and decides to abort or adopt, there’s usually a good reason. Sometimes it’s a life or death thing. Whether she/her partner is not ready or if her partner is dangerous to the child or the woman, it’s ultimately her choice to make since she’s the one who will have the most responsibility taking care of it and will be taking the most risk.
Pregnancy is one the most dangerous time for a woman because a guy can act like the perfect partner but do a 180 once he feels she’s locked down or he can seriously resent a woman for “daring to get knocked up” and “ruining his future” and take his anger out on her, etc.
And inversely, the mother can 180 on the day of the birth and simply decide that since she isn't ready to be a mother then the baby daddy doesn't deserve to be a father. Or she can find out she's pregnant and immediately ghost the father, get a restraining order and never let him see his child. Or even worse make the wrong man raise a kid he thinks is his. It happens both ways.
That is why my policy is no glove no love
Adoption, yes although if the father is present he can reject it and take care of the kid himself if he wants. Abortion, however, now a whole other deal.
@@braziliankaiser8304 But he wasn't present, he admitted that he wasn't involved during the pregnancy & only reached out in the later stages of the pregnancy (but she had already made the decision of adoption & didn't want to take him back so she ignored his calls). Also, correct me if I'm wrong but 12$/h in Chicago isn't enough to raise a child & pay rent in today's economy!
@@redacted8005 Perhaps put that up to the Judge but I still believe that a biological father should be able to keep his child if he doesn't want to set it to adoption. I am not sure how the living standards are in Chicago, from where I am from 12 dollars even per day would be massive. It's more of a matter of principles that unless the father was completely incapable then he should be able to keep his own kid, remember that the baby wouldn't even exist without him.
Well the baby arrival didn’t go so great his father shot his grandfather, shot a security guard, had his grandmother at gunpoint and his mother and nurses as hostages and his father gets shot by the swat team
Damn...i read the spoiler
@@CM-wv8ns LMFAOOOO
Not his grandmother the woman who was supposed to adopt the baby
They didnt need security.. THEY NEEDED THE ENTIRE S.W.A.T-
The most realistic and saddest part of this scene is that shot at the end. People sometimes have to take the shot and save multiple lives. At the cost of one.
6:25 ....but if he dies then the best option to get your baby is gone meaning you killed 3 people for no reason at all??????
the three people didn’t die. in the full episode they survive.
Dude was just unstable, he could’ve just went the most logical legal route, but instead he threw his chances out the window
1:55 where did he get that gun
@@robertbreschard3493 He probably stole it from his mother or someone else.
This wasn’t about his baby. This was about him wanting his ex back.
This man is absolutley insane. he LEFT his girlfriend,then choses to shoot the dad when he hears that the baby is going to be given up.
That's not exactly how that went
that seems normal to me
I knew by the way she was backing away that she was trying to lead him out into the open so swat could get him. If he had just been rational he could have contacted a lawyer and sued for custody of the baby. He just had to go the gun rout
Ok everyone in the comments is talking about whether the father has the right to stop the adoption, yet no-one has asked "how, after security escorted him out the first time, did he manage to get back into hospital, WITH a gun?"
Even if he wasn't escorted out before, isn't there security to check to prevent weapons from being brought into a hospital? Took me out of the situation honestly
As far as I know at my nearest hospital they don’t check for weapons you can walk in and just check in for ER and or go through the front and ask or tell the front desk who or what floor you’re looking for.
Bad writing.
He probably stole the gun
It’s called a writers convenience
The point that no one seems to be thinking of is that maybe she doesn't want to be a mum yet whether her ex boyfriend is around or not? He's not only demanding custody of the child he's already flaked on at gunpoint but he's demanding that she get back with him and raise a family with him. He's unstable and entitled and shouldn't be allowed custody of a kid until he's been through some years of therapy. If she agreed to get back with him now I could see a lot of potential for DV in their future.
Did you miss the part where he said he would leave with the baby and she didn't have to come with him?
12$ an hour isn’t much for a father. 12$ x 60 hours is 720$ a week which is good for a childfree person that doesn’t have to pay bills and is getting their life together so they can get a better career. But a guy with a child and probably bills now it isn’t good at all. My grandma makes more on her pension than that.
There’s teenagers who make more then that he was and is delusional
Every body here is like "he has a right to his baby, but this isn't the way. Poor dude :( "
Would you like to have a dad who waves a gun at everyone who tries to keep you and your mom safe when he has murdering intensions?? Or he "just wants to love you and your mom" when you can hear her crying after he beat or assulted her??
See how much sorry you feel for a man when he tries to kill someone you love for "his rights"
THIS
Well the mother never mentioned that she was assaulted or beaten up by him. She was abandoned by him when he finds out she was pregnant with his child. Don't try to add words into other mouths or change the story line without knowing the full knowledge of the situation.
@@ShantiJosephDoss-qq8vq Im baffled by your blissful ignorance...
So because he dumped a woman before knowing he impregnanted her, he is allowed to brake into a hospital and kill innocent people because he's sad she doesnt want him near the kid?
Branches of the same tree spread the same leaves, I guess
@@ShantiJosephDoss-qq8vq Like that’s any better.
@@donttellthefbiimhere9426It absolutely is
The SWAT team did that mother and child a favour. He abandoned them THEN shot up a hospital when he wanted the child. He definitely would've been an abusive father if the doctors let him have his way.
Plus, HE put the baby in danger in more ways than one. Then he thought he could be on the run with a girl that could barely move and a newborn..... Even if he got his way, that's not a good or healthy life for a baby to constantly have to be on the run. A parent that actually cares does not do all of that.
He was going to jail the moment he took the gun; he was going to get shot as soon as he shot the first person and took hostages.
As an adopted child, this is disgusting. He has no legal right to see, hold, or parent his son. Lily made the correct decision to put that baby up for adoption and not keep him herself.
Unfortunately she presumably ended up keeping the baby. She guilt tripped into keeping him by her bastard boyfriend
I must say that the dude playing David or (the dad) is honestly a rlly good actor
I'm shocked by these comments that are trying to justify his anger. He didnt want anything to do with her and becomes upset when he comes in wanting rights. It would be a different story if he asked her what she wanted and then stepped up when she said no saying it's okay ill raise him but that's not what he had in mind. His plan was that they both raise the child together. He goes to work while she be the mom and he never asked her what she wanted. This is why usually the mother has legal rights to decide between adoption or keeping the baby. At this rate though and society messed up point of view its going to be bullies like him who force women to be mothers when they dont want to be.
legally not true as legally he has no rights nor responsibility until the baby is born so legally he could just turn up after the baby has just been born and demand his rights and get them
as everyone says a father has no rights until the baby is born so logiclly they also have no responsibility until the baby has been born so no he has not lost his rights as the mother is not entiled to any support from him durring the pregnancy unless you want to give him a legal say in the pregnancy and legal rights to attend any and all appointments to do with the unborn child plus have a legal right to be at the birth as responsibility comes with rights
you cannot have it both ways
@@olivia-yz1wi yes but as I stated he didn't say I will raise him putting the adoption on hault, and just take her to court for child support. His idea was they will raise the baby together and I'll do it by gun point to get what I want. That's not acting on his rights that's abuse and domestic violence. That is not okay under any circumstances. If he decided to exercise his rights that would be fine especially if he respected her wishes taking full custody, but he decides that he will get what he wants in a illegal immature fashion. That's the difference between a father demanding his rights and getting a lawyer if the hospital and involved parties aren't respecting his right as a father, and what he did.
@@anniewallace3601 i have no issues with your stance on the whole gun thing as i was just pointing out how legally a father does not have to do anything for the mother durring the pregnancy and it cannot be held against him legally as most people in this comment section think a fathers rights depend on if he is there durring the pregnancy when legally that is not the cast at all like i said plus how could he exercise his rights when the mother refused to reply to his calls plus not tell him about the adoption in the first place as he is stated he tried to contact her many times about the baby but she just refused to talk to him or tell him anything making it harder for him to get his child legally
now with the whole gun thing then yeah he proves unfit to parent that we agree on but on the other hand he was just a kid so there may be some leeway somewhat as it can be argued that he was not in the right frame of mind at the time due to his mental condition so supervised contact could be given if you know he did not die
@anniewallace3601 you also need to remember there are fathers out who should loose cistody but judges give shared custody even after history of sometimes kidnaping some almost dying for various reasons from not getting or access to meds needed for the children or domestic violence because of old ideas of what a family should be so yeah he may have tried to contact her before but he lost most sympathy long before this by leaving her then sealed it in steel the second he picked up that gun
He's completely unstable. He would not be a good parent at all. If this is how he thinks to handle this type of situation, he needsa a lot of help
not really though
@elarp137 yeah really. Like are you ok??? What rational person would do what this guy did
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Applause to these actors! They did absolutely perfect!
Damn. To think that kid could have been patient and waited a few weeks to a couple of months and gotten his son without going and doing that crap. He was his father and he could have gotten custody of him. Instead...
I mean, to fair, anyone who decides bring a gun to a hospital, shoot someone, and then take a hostage in an attempt to force their ex to get back together with them probably shouldn't be raising a child.
@@kattriella1331 true lol
in US? under what rock have you been living. fathers dont have rights US. mothers will deliberately quit jobs to get paid child support and courts allow it.
He had his chance and he blew it, he abandoned the mother after she told him that she's pregnant, and came back for the last minute and ready to be a father and making $12 an hour? That's not even enough to provide. What a selfish sorry excuse piece of crap.
I know right
yeah clearly he should be making 300K a year to support her tiktok vacations.
the biological dad lost his chances as a parent. and honestly he shouldnt be in the first place because its people like him usually would do something horrible to the child cause god forbid they were told no and denied. wtf is his problem
When David showed the gun dr manny put her arm across the patient showing she cares about her patients and that was her first act❤
“Stay with me David” while he’s literally bleeding out of every hole in his face imaginable
“I’m not leaving without my son!”
If you want your son so badly, then why did you run away when Lily told you she was pregnant? Why are you just now desperate to have your baby and Lily? You’re the reason she wants to give the baby away. You broke all trust she had in you when you abandoned her. You’ve lost all right to this baby.
yeah and then come back with a lamo pathetic job that only pays a measly 12 dollars and hour🤣🤣🤣
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue And then he shoots her dad and threatens a whole hospital at gunpoint when he doesn't get his way. He would've been a terrible father.
That's not how it works just because he messed up before doesn't mean he loses his rights
He is the father and his rights to his child
@@pinkstarlight He abandoned her when she needed him the most, waited until the last minute to show up, threw a tantrum when she refused to take him back, shot her father and a security guard, threatened her mother and the hospital staff at gunpoint, impeded the hospital's efforts to save her by refusing to let them take her to an operating room, and threatened to kill everone in the hospital when Ms. Goodwin refused to give him the baby that he'd callously abandoned for 9 months before suddenly deciding that he wanted it.
He has done nothing but show that he's completely unfit to raise this child. Forget about custody rights. He'd be lucky if the court would even permit him to live near the child. He's not remotely fit to be a father. Because of his actions, he has lost all right to this baby.
While I agree that a father should have more of a say in the matters of custody and such, this is the sort of thing that proves you are so not what's best for your child.
I agree wholeheartedly.
Mad respect for Sharon in this situation!!! 🎉🎉🎉
A huge reason why she’s one of my favorite characters on Chicago Med!
the dad of the pregnant girl thought it was a good idea to grab a hostile man with a gun by his shirt?!?!
This is one of the craziest things I’ve ever seen. I wonder if she still gives her kid to adoption
The original intended mother for the child backs out of the adoption obviously because the father of said child held a gun to her head. So well yes the pregnant child gives birth and puts the baby up for adoption it's going into the foster care system not just being adopted to somebody, and the foster care system in the US is full of predators and people who literally have zero interest in the job. But being someone who was shuffled around that system for neuron 15 years I probably have a poor opinion of it, the same as 90% of the other kids who are treated as so much garbage by the government if you're over the age of 10 no one wants you you're just a burden so hopefully that baby gets adopted hopefully they don't go through the same s*** most do in the foster care system. But being that this is TV it doesn't really matter cuz there was no baby there was no pregnancy it's fake.
The show leaves it open ended, I think. Lily asks to hold her baby, calling it "mine". She could still give it up, but with how hormones work and her calling the baby, "mine", means there's a good chance she might decide to keep it.
Poor Lilly! She just had emergency surgery, watched her dad and her baby daddy get shot, her baby was taken by someone, and she probably thought that her mom was going to get shot. This poor girl will need so much therapy!
Edit: I didn’t mean to start an argument in the replies…
Well if she had not been so stubborn and allowed the father to witness the birth, this would not have happened. I hope her father does not make it. Would serve her right for what she did to her boyfriend.
@@peterfraney7931b SERIOUSLY 😐!!! You’re blaming HER for HIS ACTIONS!!! That is a load of bull! If someone contributed to me getting pregnant/bailed in me for the majority of it & then just waltz back in at the last sec & suddenly decide he wanted a family, I’d have his butt thrown out too!!!
@@peterfraney7931b In my opinion, family is a privilege, not a right & he threw that away when he bailed! Don’t get me wrong, you can get those rights back, but YOU HAVE TO EARN IT… with action, not words!!! That would be how’d I’d handle it.
He could have man up/taken responsibility for not pulling his weight & done the right things to remain a part of his child’s life. Instead, he played the victim/blamed everyone else for his mess & then proceeded to do nothing, but endanger both her & their child’s lives, but nearly take a bunch of others w/ them! Sorry, but I can’t have a ton of sympathy for that 😖
@@peterfraney7931b Also, sorry to disappoint you: her dad lives & she ends up keeping the baby. So everything ended great for them ☺
@@jillians.6930 That is sad, that she is the one that caused the problems but he dies.
David (the father of the soon to be baby) cant just assume he can walk back into their lives and shoot people and have a right over the child since hes the one who left at the start of the pregnancy
Yeah i dont feel bad for the bio dad. He made every wrong decision possible.
After what that criminal of a biofather did,the only thing he deserves is a prison cell for what he did.he was an evil creep.
Whew, this clip was intense and drama filled.
Reminds me oddly of the case of that little girl that resulted in a custody battle because she was put up for adoption while he was on deployment, and it was a battle fought between her adoptive parents and himself. I don’t have the heart to find out who won, cause there is no winner in that situation.
He should never be able to be a father
The clarity of the scene how collected and controlled the doctors were in a situation like that is just amazing.
Now if he was fully involved none of this would’ve happened. People siding with him are plan ignorant. He had NO right. He gave her no assurance and clearly she was making the right decision. He’s definitely the family annihilator type
The reason he’s doing this is because he knows full well that no court would listen to him, even if he didn’t resort to violence.
He also wanted his ex-girlfriend back
Found the joker sympathizer