"You said if I agreed to that test I'd be done," No, his exact words were "How about we do the scan and see what it tells us and then go from there? Does that seem like a plan?" He never said you could leave after the tests.
Even people who are NOT psychotic will remember things like this to their benefit. "You promised me" blah blah when you NEVER said that. Something that happens a lot in psych is "Please, I need to ask you some questions." After some routine questions the patient then says." I answered your questions now let me go you said if I answered your questions you'd let me go," Which you never said.
I take that medication too! I take it for my paranoia, my OCD and my PTSD. Apparently Olanzapine and Haldol are miracle drugs and they help lots of people.
I'm glad they found the root of the mother's psychosis. It is always tragic when a mother has to be seperated from her child/children because of a sudden mental instability.
I was rushed to the ER just a few days ago and security wanted to separate me from my kids. They claim cuz I was having stroke symptoms they had to I didn't care I wanted my kids who are 7&13 the staff that tending to them were great it just wasn't explained to me that they have this service. I'm pushing for it to spread to every hospital
Unfortunately with minors - it gets complicated. It's not as simple as a 2 doctor consent override like it was 10 to 15 years ago. They have to prove she can't give informed consent or is endangering her son by having it documented with time stamps before they continue to treat her son, unless he needs an emergency procedure.
Ah, but they do! Walk into almost any full service hospital ER. The hospital I am in now for a falling issue, the maternity ward is stuffed as well as the mental health floor. Along with a sophisticated security screening so contraband can't get in. It is a huge issue. We are also very close to the 500,000 mark population. When I moved here, it was 129K
Chicago, major medical hospital, plus ambulance ride, plus they are in th th ER and she needed surgery and post surgical care. . . . . . .little low don't you think? Head imagining with contrast as well as the original scans after the crash. . . . . . . . .two ER beds as the boy was injured and they couldn't get consent and Social Workers, even on call ones take forever to come and court orders are rarely given overnight baring a very serious emergency to wake a judge. . . . . . .I am thinking more in the $300,000+ range with the multiple consults from other specialties involved as well as surgery + ER time and all.
The inflammation from a urinary tract infection can cause temporary psychosis. They really should check for any and all known inflammation markers. Seriously stupid not to. So much distress can be averted if doctors bothered to do that plus a nutrients profile to check for deficiencies and excess/toxicities.
Akams razor(sp) the simplest answer is almost always true. Or if you prefer walks like a duck swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's usually a duck. Person acting crazy thinking crazy and being crazy is probably crazy that's the thinking of Dr's in this case, she wasn't, but 9 times out of 10, they end up being crazy. It creates an unintentional bias
@@HAWKEYE21343 according to some psych nurses I've interacted with a B12 shots usually clears it up. So, not crazy, vitamin deficiency leading to inflammation
He’s 8 yo. so it requires parental consent. If it was life-threatening, medical staff can treat minors if there wasn’t time to locate a parent. It’s protecting and promoting the healing of a broken bone. That’s medical treatment. If a dog was receiving a cast for a broken leg that is veterinary treatment. Taking ibuprofen for a headache is a medical treatment.
“Id say she’s doing alright” and yet hasnt even done a basic mental state exam to see if she’s oriented to time or place lol. A doctor wouldnt be confused by a patient like this. Especially if they were in a car accident and potentially had a head injury. They’d immediately do a neuro/mental state exam, in fact the paramedics would have picked this up before she even arrived. Even if it only started in hospital they’d be checking for head trauma not asking her to repeat herself in a different way or just saying where she is
@@vancedagod306probably from being in a car accident themselves. When i was 17 someone totaled my mom's car while we were bringing my cousin home for the summer. He smashed through the back of us going 50 in a 35 with multiple sudden stop and turn signs. He hit us hard enough we smashed and bounced off the minivan in front of us, it caused a chain reaction resulting in 6 cars hit, 3 totaled. Our airbags did not deploy. Paramedics and doctors did several tests to make sure everyone was cognitive and had no brain trauma or bleeds. First thing paramedics did was shine a light directly in my eyeballs and aks me name, birth date, current date, who was president, and where i was. When i got to the hospital they did the same tests again and took me to mri, xray, and ct. Unfortunately the accident slipped discs in my lower back and between my shoulder blades so i have permanent back pain, but im lucky i survived.
If they were living in the car, am hoping this is not set in winter. I was in Chicago last month (December) and it was freezing (literally). We put a 750 ml bottle of water outside one night and it froze solid. They would die living in a car in Chicago in winter
Not necessarily. We have had our weather in the minus's here, and youd find that in my experience its always warmer in a car. The body heat and the condensation etc jsut ends up adding heat
Schizophrenia is very hard to diagnose and certainly wouldn't be diagnosed this quickly. Also you would need to know what trauma caused it. Generally-speaking, doctors try to rule out all physiological diagnoses before they jump to the mental diagnoses. There have been so many who were misdiagnosed and found out later that it was just a physiological condition. Once you put a person on a hold, the snowball effect can happen whereby a person loses a lot in their life. Far better to rule out the physiological conditions first and then start talking the mental.
Someone in the middle of a psychotic episode isn't able to think rationally. A rational person would let a doctor set their son's broken arm. Someone having a mental episode is going to think they're shapeshifting aliens who want to steal his bones to build a jewelry box for their queen. See the difference?
But no one knows what that one is and everyone know what Haldol is so it sounds much cooler on TV. . . . . . . .No one with real xp in mental health inpatient could scream at the TV "Oh, she is getting the Booty Juice!!!". Olanzapine also sounds more professional and medical than "Get the Zyprexa instead".
Haldol is an antipsychotic which is what you would give to someone in that condition. Versed is a benzodiazapine and very strong hypnotic. It could possibly make things worse.
It's not that simple. She would have to be proven unstable before they could ignore the consent issue. And they had no way of knowing whether it was a head injury or a tomber.
Anyone could say that anyone is obviously crazy. Just having certain beliefs or ideas doesn’t classify you as crazy. They would have to show that she is a danger to herself or others. The reason she was put in 72 hour hold was because she showed that she was a danger to both herself and her son.
@crazypyp5871 well I believe there are certain cases where a doctor shouldn't have to have the patients permission to do something, especially if that patient is acting stupid or doing something that obviously will get them hurt or killed if the doctor does nothing.
"You said if I agreed to that test I'd be done,"
No, his exact words were "How about we do the scan and see what it tells us and then go from there? Does that seem like a plan?" He never said you could leave after the tests.
She’s far too deluded to remember anything about their conversation.
The character is literally mid psychosis, whether or not he said exactly those words or not is completely irrelevant.
Even people who are NOT psychotic will remember things like this to their benefit. "You promised me" blah blah when you NEVER said that. Something that happens a lot in psych is "Please, I need to ask you some questions." After some routine questions the patient then says." I answered your questions now let me go you said if I answered your questions you'd let me go," Which you never said.
Olanzapine mentioned! I have atypical bipolar with cationic symptoms. It literally saved my life
That is really good to hear :3
We are happy you are here too.
I take that medication too! I take it for my paranoia, my OCD and my PTSD. Apparently Olanzapine and Haldol are miracle drugs and they help lots of people.
Well aren't you special.
That's really good to hear.❤❤❤
I'm glad they found the root of the mother's psychosis. It is always tragic when a mother has to be seperated from her child/children because of a sudden mental instability.
I was rushed to the ER just a few days ago and security wanted to separate me from my kids. They claim cuz I was having stroke symptoms they had to I didn't care I wanted my kids who are 7&13 the staff that tending to them were great it just wasn't explained to me that they have this service. I'm pushing for it to spread to every hospital
This woman is clearly delusional, they can’t possibly require her permission when she’s obviously incapable of logical reasoning.
Unfortunately with minors - it gets complicated. It's not as simple as a 2 doctor consent override like it was 10 to 15 years ago. They have to prove she can't give informed consent or is endangering her son by having it documented with time stamps before they continue to treat her son, unless he needs an emergency procedure.
Ah, but they do! Walk into almost any full service hospital ER. The hospital I am in now for a falling issue, the maternity ward is stuffed as well as the mental health floor. Along with a sophisticated security screening so contraband can't get in. It is a huge issue. We are also very close to the 500,000 mark population. When I moved here, it was 129K
Doctor : "Im glad you are now both fine. Now that will be 127000$"
Chicago, major medical hospital, plus ambulance ride, plus they are in th th ER and she needed surgery and post surgical care. . . . . . .little low don't you think? Head imagining with contrast as well as the original scans after the crash. . . . . . . . .two ER beds as the boy was injured and they couldn't get consent and Social Workers, even on call ones take forever to come and court orders are rarely given overnight baring a very serious emergency to wake a judge. . . . . . .I am thinking more in the $300,000+ range with the multiple consults from other specialties involved as well as surgery + ER time and all.
Which health care insurance are you with? ....oh. Sorry.
She’s poor enough she’s almost certainly on Medicaid
Poor boy😢 poor woman😢
Yeah she must have had some sort of tumor or something that made her crash because sound like a good mom
Uh, there are no air holes in that specimen cup.
No needs, just made one or two holes on the cap
dont ever let will or natalie be the only physicians on your case
watching this video and all i can think is
"did they remember to punch holes for hair in the specimen jar lid?" 😂
Edit: air not hair
.....or even AIR!! Sorry, I'm not picky, but I thought it was funny!! 😂❤
@alliecollin1748 i didn't even see the misspelling whoops! 🤣🤣
SAME...and I'm pretty sure they did not. That is one special butterfly, surviving like that.
why did you make an edit to correct yourself instead of correcting the mistake
@tanavpandher9176 because I felt like it
Collection agency? Souls? They're on the run from the IRS!
That’s why Joker fears them over Batman.
The inflammation from a urinary tract infection can cause temporary psychosis.
They really should check for any and all known inflammation markers.
Seriously stupid not to.
So much distress can be averted if doctors bothered to do that plus a nutrients profile to check for deficiencies and excess/toxicities.
Akams razor(sp) the simplest answer is almost always true. Or if you prefer walks like a duck swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's usually a duck. Person acting crazy thinking crazy and being crazy is probably crazy that's the thinking of Dr's in this case, she wasn't, but 9 times out of 10, they end up being crazy. It creates an unintentional bias
That usually happens in older women, stuff can happen anytime!
@@margaretburr7975 it does not "usually happen in older women" and I really wish healthcare would stop peddling that one
@@HAWKEYE21343 according to some psych nurses I've interacted with a B12 shots usually clears it up. So, not crazy, vitamin deficiency leading to inflammation
How is putting a cast considered a treatment that requires consent?
Maybe hes not old enough to have a cast put on him without parents say? *shrugs*
He’s 8 yo. so it requires parental consent. If it was life-threatening, medical staff can treat minors if there wasn’t time to locate a parent. It’s protecting and promoting the healing of a broken bone. That’s medical treatment. If a dog was receiving a cast for a broken leg that is veterinary treatment. Taking ibuprofen for a headache is a medical treatment.
If it’s treatment, consent is needed
How do you figure ANY treatment doesn't require consent? At my job, we require consent from both parents for someone to *speak* to any child.
He is a minor
The actress is amazing!
She did a good job
@@bethdalley2186 she really filled well the role with her performance
So the kid
“Id say she’s doing alright” and yet hasnt even done a basic mental state exam to see if she’s oriented to time or place lol.
A doctor wouldnt be confused by a patient like this. Especially if they were in a car accident and potentially had a head injury. They’d immediately do a neuro/mental state exam, in fact the paramedics would have picked this up before she even arrived.
Even if it only started in hospital they’d be checking for head trauma not asking her to repeat herself in a different way or just saying where she is
and you know this how, nerd?
@@vancedagod306probably from being in a car accident themselves. When i was 17 someone totaled my mom's car while we were bringing my cousin home for the summer. He smashed through the back of us going 50 in a 35 with multiple sudden stop and turn signs. He hit us hard enough we smashed and bounced off the minivan in front of us, it caused a chain reaction resulting in 6 cars hit, 3 totaled. Our airbags did not deploy. Paramedics and doctors did several tests to make sure everyone was cognitive and had no brain trauma or bleeds. First thing paramedics did was shine a light directly in my eyeballs and aks me name, birth date, current date, who was president, and where i was. When i got to the hospital they did the same tests again and took me to mri, xray, and ct. Unfortunately the accident slipped discs in my lower back and between my shoulder blades so i have permanent back pain, but im lucky i survived.
Poor kid
If they were living in the car, am hoping this is not set in winter. I was in Chicago last month (December) and it was freezing (literally). We put a 750 ml bottle of water outside one night and it froze solid.
They would die living in a car in Chicago in winter
Not necessarily. We have had our weather in the minus's here, and youd find that in my experience its always warmer in a car. The body heat and the condensation etc jsut ends up adding heat
@@jodia2125 It would probably be marginally warmer but not entirely safe
Poor thing😢😢
She needs help very bad
Is that little boy the actor from “A Quiet Place”? The one who played Beau?
I watched this on telly it's very good I'm at the end but I actually forgot it 2 years ago
She was not write in the head? It’s like her brain is giving her high alert and worried systems.
*right
She may have paranoid schizophrenia, or trauma induced psychosis?
Schizophrenia is very hard to diagnose and certainly wouldn't be diagnosed this quickly. Also you would need to know what trauma caused it. Generally-speaking, doctors try to rule out all physiological diagnoses before they jump to the mental diagnoses. There have been so many who were misdiagnosed and found out later that it was just a physiological condition. Once you put a person on a hold, the snowball effect can happen whereby a person loses a lot in their life. Far better to rule out the physiological conditions first and then start talking the mental.
She had a tumor
What episode is this
I just watched this episode myself :D
Lady leave the doctor to look after your son okay ❤
Someone in the middle of a psychotic episode isn't able to think rationally. A rational person would let a doctor set their son's broken arm. Someone having a mental episode is going to think they're shapeshifting aliens who want to steal his bones to build a jewelry box for their queen. See the difference?
@@feverspellAbsolutely agree. And why mental health is SO important.
No need for haldol. Versed is superior
But no one knows what that one is and everyone know what Haldol is so it sounds much cooler on TV. . . . . . . .No one with real xp in mental health inpatient could scream at the TV "Oh, she is getting the Booty Juice!!!". Olanzapine also sounds more professional and medical than "Get the Zyprexa instead".
@blackdandelion5549 Lorazepam, Midazolam or Diazepam should be first line. Antipsychotics screw you up permanently. Benzodiazepines don't.
Haldol is an antipsychotic which is what you would give to someone in that condition. Versed is a benzodiazapine and very strong hypnotic. It could possibly make things worse.
When disturbed show interferes with J’s welfare. Saw your show last week. 🤮
She's obviously crazy so they shouldn't need her permission.
It's not that simple. She would have to be proven unstable before they could ignore the consent issue. And they had no way of knowing whether it was a head injury or a tomber.
Anyone could say that anyone is obviously crazy. Just having certain beliefs or ideas doesn’t classify you as crazy.
They would have to show that she is a danger to herself or others. The reason she was put in 72 hour hold was because she showed that she was a danger to both herself and her son.
@crazypyp5871 well I believe there are certain cases where a doctor shouldn't have to have the patients permission to do something, especially if that patient is acting stupid or doing something that obviously will get them hurt or killed if the doctor does nothing.
@@freedomwriter1995 Yeah, in a case where it's that severe, I think, THINK, not 100% positive, but I think you can get a court otder.
@Nope12173 too bad by the time the judge grants the order the damage will already have been done
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5MINS GANGG
hoowee im early
Dr Charles is annoying
hes just doing his job
I can't even imagine how annoying you must be then
If people didn't pay him money he wouldnt be doing his job genius @@rosel7650
I love doctor Charles he’s my favourite
Not annoying. Plays the character well.
Poor boy😢 poor woman😢