Do Ultimate Players Have The WORST Smash Hot Takes?
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- We asked smash fans to give us their hottest Smash Ultimate takes during GOML X. What is your Smash Ultimate Hot take? Let us know down in the comments below!
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Joycon Jesus?
Hey!
This guy comes to my weeklies sometimes, he plays seph
@@jarroddobben he's stomped me with said Sephiroth at said weekly
@@JK23111 Sarnia or Michigan?
Southeast Mich @@jarroddobben
The coney thing having zero on the hot take meter was a good bit. The meter in general was very funny, props to the editor 🙌👏👏
3:56 they kinda are, people complain about the controller a lot of how uncomfortable it feels, the buttons being mushy, i can see where this guy is saying
Thanks!!
(I'll post a more in-depth explanation in a separate post)
Yeah he was speaking facts.
The problem I have with it is that I feel like the analog stick is too wide. You have to move your fingers too much, so it feels kinda clunky
guy at 2:18 they didn't get around bayo.. everyone started to play her. Steve is very much a problem, but nothing will happen anyway.
I completely agree some Steve matchups are just unwinnable
@@TheRealAsrielWhat high - top tier characters have a border line unwinnable matchup against Stev?
Steve has no losing matchup. When you play against a character with huge hitboxes and forces to be defensive so you don’t get resources and all your fancy tech bullsh$&t requires setups and some take very long or are very situational. Not to mention you need resources so if I pressure your campy asz and can clear all your blocks in one hit what can you do
And you can’t do anything if they have more reach than you
And then the game died.
my hottest take is that toon link's sword sound effects are very satisfying
Your pfp says it all...
Hot Take: The Smash Community is their own biggest enemy. Not Nintendo!
That was me at 3:33 , thanks for having me on the video 😅😂
That last guy has been scared by falco.
That was Onin saying Double Steve's should be banned right? That's hilarious
0:13 3:56 Oh hey, that's me! Hope everyone liked my Guile cosplay
Anywho, IDK if they will post it, but I said a more in-depth explanation for why I hate the Gamecube gamepad. So I feel like Ranting so let's Rave
1) That goddamn tiny ass D-Pad. Sure, 3D games were all the rage, but then 2D games got absolutely screwed
2) The sticks. Why make two different sized and colored sticks when you can insert doubles of one?
3) 3 shoulder buttons instead of 4. I mean why?
4) Face buttons were good for some games but others, like traditional fighters, got messed up by the layout
5) Since then, Nintendo realized their error and went back to even button layouts with various stick layouts for their pro gamepads in the following generations (PS bottom inline stick for the Wii, a top inline stick layout for Wii U (this one was trash as well), and then the Xbox offset stick layout for the Switch)
So yeah, here's my more extended hot take on the GC gamepad being trash
I like how most of these points have nothing to do with smash
@@Sooth0 It's a more indirect hot take towards Smash due to the GC pad being the weapon of choice for 99% of the fanbase
The traditional fighter point is funny to me because I legitimately do use a gamecube controller layout for a good portion of traditional fighters (primarily ones with light, medium, heavy, and special). Granted, it’s a switch controller made from a Gamecube layout so it has all 4 shoulder buttons, but the face button layout tickles my fancy for those traditional fighters and I use the joystick too because of the octo gate.
Characters in the game are considered to be better or worse than they actually are because of reps. Sonic and Cloud aren't as good as people say they are, but Sonix and Sparg0 are just that good at the game that people think they're really op. Sonic is probably around 5th best, not top 2, and Cloud is somewhere near 20th. If Sparg0 mained Joker and Sonix mained Pac-Man you'd probably see the same discourse around those characters that you see now.
ROB and Steve are top 2 because they're the most popular characters, got it.
Nope. Cloud is just that good. Name a flaw aside from his grab game
@@mercurysnake274 recovery
@@Dominant_Pant Most fake weakness in the game
@@Dominant_Pantthat's such a cop out that characters like cloud and aegis have the weakness of "recovery"
Bro, everybody has to recover in this game, and some recoveries like the belmonts and ganon are worse recoveries than cloud and aegis
3:44 idk why this was marked as a hot take this guy is straight spitting. We just saw a bottom 3 character make tons of upsets and a massive run at Comicpalooza. Literally anyone can do it (besides ganon lol)
I think it maybe is because of the first part: "I don't think any characters are neccesarily bad", because they meter only goes upward.
I mean, besides that he has only said things that have actually happened, so It is not that hot XD
Bottom 3 char? Who?
@@BobBob-bm9kz I understand that it has not happened with everyone yet, but if we have seen upsets with with characters like DK, Isabelle or Banjo, it is a matter of time that this happens again with some other low tier characters.
@@xioradsalasarellano8719I hope for it every major
@@BobBob-bm9kz K.Rool is the third worst character on the official tier list
If it was prepatch Palu with no nerfs the dude with the Palu opinion would be 100% correct. That character was a warcrime; especially concidering how easy she was to play as well.
4:18 this guy is kind of spitting Falco actually doesn’t lose matchups
Try playing him vs Game & Watch, Pikachu, Pichu & Cloud
@@canpigsfly just camp
@@LootBugLooted I think u might be overestimating Down B and Neutral B. If they know ur relying on those, they can very easily play around them
@@canpigsfly Then I’ll just jump away and they can’t catch me
@@LootBugLooted Ur still going to need a way to deal damage + land, and when ur above Cloud and Game and Watch, that's good for them more than for you. Cloud can very easily contest ur aerial approaches and catch ur landings, Game and Watch can pressure with up air and Neutral Air.
And then Pichu and Pikachu.... Good luck hitting them even if u try to camp
My hot take: Kazuya isn't top 15
He's DLC little mac, but he's still little mac. Get your ass on a platform or zone him out, forcing him to approach, then punish said approach, and abuse his dogshit disadvantage. He has zero safe pokes or threatening ranged attacks, he can't even touch most sword characters. He's also the only character in the game with a 7 frame jumpsquat, which opens up plenty of Kazuya specific block setups. He literally can't jump out of Robs down tilt on shield and he's forced to roll, essentially turning it into a 50/50 (roll in or roll out) and if you guess wrong you get Rob'd. Wavedashing through attacks is fake, his recovery is exploitable, the only thing he has going for him is EWGF and big combos.
Hes intangible bud
He can spotdodge cancel ewgf out of rob dtilt. Which is frame 1 invincible and a free kill lol?
@TwinHacari his crouch dash is only fully intangible on frames 2-4 (3 frames). Even with the best humanly achievable wavedash, he will never be fully intangible. He may still have upper body intangibility, but any attack that would consistently hit greninja will deal with him just fine.
@henrikpersson488 lol actually if rob just keeps doing down Tilts it punishes the spotdodge b4 the invulnerability form the EWGF starts
@@Dominant_Pant rob dtils comes out with 14 frames interval. Spotdodge ewgf is vulnerable for 4 frames if spot dodge cancelled and 9 frames if not cancelled. Sure you might get hit. But if you hit it should alot of the time be a stock because of how easy rob is to combo.
Some of these hot takes are pretty based.
I totally agree that any character has potential for an upset.
Bro really said ICANT
2:54 Yes, it would. Why can people not be positive and appreciate the game for its depth and beauty?
Mashing and sdi should be removed from the game. It A: Breaks the flow of your inputs, changing the way you play from methodical to frantic, and B: Puts much more wear and tear on your controller than is reasonable. I'm positive Nintendo puts mashing in games so you buy more controllers.
4:04 Not a hot take at all. Truing
“SDI is underrated”
More like SDI shouldn’t exist
Shit is very dumb and literally makes you break your joystick just to escape certain combos
And it won’t even work all the time
sdi is one of the greatest mechanics in fighting games, it provides interactive combos and combo breaker mechanics without just pressing a button to deny your opponent reward like most combo breakers in fighting games (GGS burst for example)
i agree that using sdi can be a bit uncomfortable but to say it shouldnt exist is nonsense
Then anyone can kill you at 0 with Steve and bayo easily
The problem is that you have to mash the stick instead of just holding it. If you change that (like in Rivals of Aether) then it is s great mechanic
How can people still think that "ZSS sux" is a hot take when it's an actual fact ?
The same reason people go around saying "am I the only one who thinks...." and it ends up being something extremely commonplace and not at all rare. It's never about actually being an uncommon or hot take.
LEGALIZE KOF STADIUM
2:18, 2:54, 3:14, 3:33
These are straight up facts honestly.
People didn't get around Bayo. They just played her. She throttled end game Sm4sh
3:14 That's me. At least someone agrees with me.
3:33 was me, thank you :)
@@imjustcody You welcome!
@@CharizardX96 you’re certainly welcome 🙏
I think a great video idea would be looking at the end product of some of esams move tierlists and having the pros guessing which move its relating too
i agree with minmin guy except he plays young link so his struggles are deserved
2:48 Based
"Cloud is not top tier"
A guy that probably never played against a Cloud 😂🎉
We should play with smash meter on
lowkey it would kind of balance out the roster, and a lot of them would make catching Steve and sonic very doable for the characters that can't. only problem is peach would become the undoubted best and become an absolute monster.
Zelda suck ur opponent in every single time I guess
@@Dominant_Pant Peach and Zelda would go brrrr
Marth and lucina would get banned so fast.
@@YouALLStop as long as they aren't steve
1. Shiek is top 5. Tweek was onto something. That character has little to no weaknesses
2. Sonic is undoubtedly better than Steve. Steve is a gimmick character. He has a less consistent gameplan, 1 millionth of the speed of Sonic in a game where speed is important, and he has a worst matchup spread.
3. Basically 90% of tier list opinions are formed by tournament results and people need to think for themselves/realise when it’s the player VS when it’s the character
1. In theory I would agree but I think Sheik has very little margin of error and requires too much effort to REALISTICALLY be top 5.
2. Semi-agree, I wouldn't be against putting Sonic above Steve, but its definitely debatable.
3. Hard agree
Goated sheik take
Lucas is top 10 at least and the most underrated character in the game. He has top 5 edge guarding with dair and pk thunder, a really busted combo game(if you don’t believe me look up his nair loops, dair loops, zair loops, upair loops, and drag downs), really solid killing options, top 5 shield pressure(fair is minus 2, zair is minus 3 and is especially busted with djcz, down tilt is really s afe, ftilt is really safe), a FASTER VERSION OF A MELEE WAVE DASH(it’s called snake dashing, look it up), a true zero to death out of frame 4 foot stool out of shield(it’s called footstool djcz) and just a great out of shield option in footstool djc which combos into what ever he wants, really early kill confirms(basic dair loops will kill confirm at 67% on normal weight characters), very good spacing(fair and djcz), a great recovery, and serviceable zoning. His neutral is insane because of djcz being a solid approach option with pk fire to call out approaches and snakedashing to mix up his ground movement(reminder that this A BETTER MELEE WAVEDASH in a game where NO ONE ELSE CAN), his advantage state is crazy with combos that when optimized go from 0-80 or 40-death, and his “weaknesses” are all greatly exaggerated. People say he struggles to anti air but idj upair and nair are really fast callout options. They say his landing game sucks but his air mobility is great and fair has so much range that it’s not hard to out space people, and he has the longest airdodge in the in the game. His only real weakness is that he can sometimes get platform camped. Characters with way more mild strengths and exploitable weaknesses are regularly considered top 10 so why isn’t Lucas? The only reason is that he is an unpopular character and people don’t want to put in the work to get results, which is why many of the “best characters” are in reality easy characters like gnw, Steve, rob, pythra, cloud.
Mid grab, mid kill ability, mid neutral, mid punish game. Mid tier.
His shield pressure is not top 5 at all
Literally every swordie has better shield pressure
@@TwinHacari major cap, fair is minus 2 and frame 9, up air is frame 7 and -3, look up djcz, its basically a rising zair that you can fast fall before the apex of your ascent and its -3, down b is plus 0 on shield and has true shield break set ups, up b has a guaranteed blockstring on platforms, dtilt and uptilt can shield poke, so can nair. Fair alone would already make his shield pressure top 25ish, but he just has so much. Even the sour spot of fair at point blank is dafenif you fast fall it. Trust me, ive been playing this character since 2019.
@@TwinHacari his grab is trash, i agree, but he has 3 kill throws to make up for it. His neutral is top 5 because of his insane spacing and shield pressure with djcz and fair as well as really good cqc with dtilt, jab, uptilt, and ftilt, he also has a top tier oos option with footstool djcz oos which comes out frame 4. He also has a BETTER MELEE WAVE DASH, which should speak for itself. His kill ability is insane. Half of your stocks will come from edgeguards but you dont need that anyway because he has so many powerful kill confirms off of djcz, drag down nair, and dair. For example, starting at 67 you can downair chain mario into an fsmash and kill, at about 130 ish nair will drag down into ftilt into upthrow, at ledge nair drag down dtilt into ftilt will kill at like 110, djcz to fair at ledge will kill at like 110, djcz into dash attack kills really early. You may not know all of this tech im talking about, but looking it up and just seeing clips should be enough proof that lucas is a top 10 character. Dont just listen to tierlists, theyre often results bases because people are too scared to be wrong and they dont look at objective strengths. Thats why shulk is considered #25 when hes probably #5 and why greninja isnt considered a top tier when he has no weaknesses and a ton of strengths. Tierlists nowadays are useless, you might as well just look up tourney win rates and use rates.
Corrin is better than Aegis.
Yes
Facts
Yes! I've been saying Corrin is good! Corrin has good matchups against Steve, Sonic, R.O.B. And a lot of top tier threats, I fully agree with this, Corrin at the least is top 10 in today's meta
Aegis doesn't perform well in the meta MUs like Kazuya and Steve. Meanwhile Corrin does, while also winning or going even with most MUs. She barely has any losing MUs and even then, they are all doable, proven by Shadic and Neo taking down top Samus and Fox mains.
Aegis is also way too easy to exploit offstage in comparison. People never understand how important that is. There are also way more Corrin top 8s at majors than Aegis within the last 2 years. Whenever Aegis does contribute, she is a pocket pick for like... 3 sets tops. She is one of the most popular characters yet doesn't make top 8s or top 16s consistently? Meanwhile Corrin can?
Yeah don't tell me Aegis is better. Noobs just get farmed by Aegis and complain while the top players gatekeep this dumb DLC swordie. If mid levels learned the Aegis counterplay Aegis wouldn't even be top 10 I promise.
@@YouALLStop Well said!
I love Pyra and Mythra as characters (Xenoblade 2 is one of my favorite games of all time), and tried to solo main them, but as you said; they're way too easy to exploit off stage. I won't deny that on stage, they have one of the best neutrals in the game, if not thee best. But get them off stage, and you can delete stocks quickly. It's such a love-hate relationship, lmao.
I've since been playing other swordies, namely Corrin and Lucina. They feel way more consistent than Aegis, their recoveries make all the difference.
MAC AND TERRY ARE THE BEST IN THE GAME I BEEN SAYING THIS!!!!
I understand Terry but saying Mac is the best is crazy.
Hot take 1: People gaslight themselves about characters that are good on paper vs in practice and swore for years Pikachu was the best character in the whole game. They drank the Kool-aid Pokemon Company provided and put themselves in a mental haze for over 5-6 years.
Hot Take 2: We wouldn't need to ban Steve or Sonic if Americans didn't have stage lists that make Steve and Sonic menaces to fight on. We have counterpicking, DSR, and gentlemans for a reason. Use them, and allow stages that make Sonics and Steves and whoever more uncomfortable. Bring back Lylat you cowards!
Hot Take 3: Make the Timer 5 mins so time outs are a viable option for more characters in the cast, and that we can go home earlier. Every single tournament wraps up faster than smash ultimate. Hell, Pokemon VGC takes a shorter time for their game than an Ultimate game or even a set.
Mewtwo has a top tier advantage state a low tier disadvantage state, and a super annoying neutral you have to respect with a samus charge shot like move with shadowball-
So i think all of that rounds up to high tier
i agree with the gamecube controller take because box controllers are infinitely better and pro controllers have more buttons
Okay I don’t think anyone is sleeping on CONEY lol, i go on twitch and I follow him so I always see him streaming and he always has 1k+ viewers.. that’s crazy
He said youtube
Corrin is broken and is top 10 in today's meta
3:14 That's me.
I’m all for rotating out the top X characters every couple of months to keep the meta changing
my hot take:
obviously steve is the best character in the game but i would rather fight a steve in bracket than sonic like hooooly shit i hate playing against and watching sonic and i’d ban him before steve just because boring torture rather than because of goodness
PS1 is better than PS2
sonic and steve are arguable for top 1 and 2 in the game. And people wanna ban both? Why? Like, There was a case back in mid 2022 where no one knew how to fight steve. But now, with people like miya, sparg0, hurt beating acola, and A LOT of players beating onin. I see no reason why steve now should be banned. The arguable top 2 steve players lost against other top players. Plus, neo brought acola to a game 5, shadic, shinymark and others beat onin. So steve isn't a centralized character, is he broken? Yeah, do the players care? Yeah, and what do they do? They just get better, yeah they might complain here and there. But at the end of it, just getting better beats steve players, like all characters.
And if you wanna ban a character for being boring. Sonic would've been long gone banned. If it's boring, then sorry. It's for real money.
Smash community is just full of crybabies smh they hate like half the cast so they would advocate banning most of them like banning characters after characters so Steve getting banned won’t do any good
To me, saying that Lucina is still better than Marth in 2024 seems pretty tame for a hot take. So... here, I think I have an actual one : compared to Lucina, Marth isn't fun to play. Getting tippers gets less and less fun the more you get used to hitting them, but missing them because you're out here trying to catch this one tiny pixel opponents can dodge (when Roy unfairly gets random sweet spots even if he doesn't hit from the base of his blade) doesn't ever stop being annoying.
Contrarily to Lucina, playing Marth also gives you the impression you can't play aggressively, and this prevents you to appreciate fighting fast characters because of how hard they can be to hit with tippers. Lucina doesn't care about that, as she's always rewarded for hitting her opponents. Unfortunately though, Marth isn't, and while Roy ending stocks with sour spots is funny, it's a horrendous feeling to do that with Marth.
Skill issue. Tippers are fun and easy when you know what you're doing. If you're salivating over landing them you lost the game.
@@TwinHacari Tippers were fun when it wasn't easy to land them is what I said. Winning is not all there is to a character like Marth : you want to win with style playing as him, meaning you have to get tippers and thus " salivate " for them, otherwise his victories feel empty.
The fact that Marth's tippers were designed horrendously, usually forcing him to play patiently, and the fact that his opponents will always have a way easier time dodging his tippers than he will have landing them won't ever change, which is why, again, Marth is a lot less fun to play than Lucina (who straight up doesn't care and who can go unga bunga whenever she wants). That's my hot take. I knew people would misinterpret it and say " sKiLl IsSuE ", but I tried to comment with a faint hope to receive a better answer, see if I was alone thinking this.
@@Cannelle-bo3nx tldr ur a masher and marth doesn't let u do that as well
Bro Ignaize and Spyder-Marth be so mad aggressive and they get tippers. Skill issue
@@Tightness8 I can mash with Lucina, Marth's echo fighter, but not with him...?
The guy who hates drag downs can’t do drag down or his character just doesn’t have one lol
2:12 that's actually a pretty reasonable take
Lunice cameo
3:35 LETS GO PLANTENJOYER69 I LOVE YOU. PLANT GANG
My hot take: Smash Bros tier Lists are pretty useless.
My hot take is isabelle steve is even.
4:18 lmao this guy ain't real.
Last guys sentence is definitely not a true combo
0:24 even he knew that was a shit take. Ban Steve? Sure. But the point of banning a character is to get rid of an overcentralizing or unhealthy element of the meta. Why the hell would you ban fan favorite characters like cloud or diddy just because they have good results? All this would achieve would be to make the meta even more saturated with campy ass mid-low tier zoners and instakill the competitive scene at all levels.
You'd honestly be better off banning the bottom 30 characters from the game. I think EE was spitting when he said the bracket randomness caused by all the low tier heroes upsetting players like sparg0 and gluto is destroying storylines and only benefitting players like acola and miya whose characters effortlessly stomp mid tiers.
As much as I agree that the "ban good chars" idea is awful, banning chars because someone doesn't feel like learning a matchup is a disgusting idea
Cuz people just simply hate like half the cast and want to ban anyone they hate/ bad against
@@BobBob-bm9kz Obviously i dont actually think we should ban all the bad characters, im just making the point that this dudes dumbass idea is so terrible that this patently stupid idea is actually better
@@BobBob-bm9kz also getting hit with a matchup check is always going to happen no matter how much u grind cause its literally impossible to cover for 80+ characters while also specifically prepping for the tough opponents you know you will face in backet. It just sucks to see Sparg0 or Light getting knocked to losers by some random ass hero or dk, thus guaranteeing the bajillionth miya acola grands since their priviledged characters are bsically immune to mid
@@Parthian6 Now I'm not an advocate for bans, but if you really feel like it's necessary to avoid the same chars always being in grands, maybe just ban the 5 or 6 low-tier gatekeepers instead of the 20+ low tiers.
We should play the game without the DLC fighters. DLC fighters are destroying the game just like it did in smash 4
whoever said greninja is top 10
i just want a word
Aegis is high tier.
Rob isn't top tier, tripping
Ganondorf isnt the worst character in the game
Not saying I disagree, but who is? Ganon doesn't win a single mu
Sonic is better than Steve
Zss sucks
Aegis is not only not a top 10 character, but are not even top tier.
first
I agree! Gamecube controllers are trash! The fact that melee players has to spend hundreds just to fix an obsoleting piece of shit tells you more about the design and make than we'd care to admit
Pit is not honest. He's the most honest out of the rest of the cast, but he still has plenty of broken bs that nobody talks about. No character in this game is truly honest.
MAC AND TERRY ARE THE BEST IN THE GAME I BEEN SAYING THIS!!!!
I would love to hear how you possibly think Little Mac is the best in the game
@spectropollo1262 I used to main him, and if you actually put in work he's great and counters characters like pissra and joker
@@FansyBLKI’m very curious as to how little Mac beats aegis and joker lose to little mac
@@FansyBLK having possible "good" counters to characters in no way makes Mac the best character - his aerials & recovery is terrible
mac deffo underated, at least mid tier and possibly high tier, but best in the game is lowkey OD I'm ngl