Acer Makes Graphics Cards Now. And It's Weird...
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- Опубликовано: 3 апр 2024
- This Acer graphics card has a really weird cooler and a wild price.
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Evga got out, Acer jumped in.... Okay then.
acer is selling them for a year now
Evga has been out for a year@@ab_xar
Too soon bro
Now Sapphire is the best.
Nvidia only has MSI and Asus, which make good gpus only for Nvidia. Their AMD gpus suck.
It was right when EVGA went out that ACER ran in
Shroud image popping up everytime Dawid says "shroud" is essential in every Dawid's video
Three things that are a certainty with Dawid's videos
1. Shroud
2. Thiddy
3. Everything possible going wrong.
@@riven4121 hey glad that Elma isn't the regulars!
Imagine Dawid talking about the Shroud of Turin.
Was looking for this comment 😂
I´ve owned a "gaming" laptop from Acer years ago.
That thing ran so hot it melted its own fan. Never again.
My Acer Gaming Laptop from 2010 burned through it's internal power cable.
All "gaming" laptops are trash in some way. MSI and Gigabyte have the biscuit hinges which WILL break and/or chew through the internal cable, and Assus puts copious amounts of bloatware on theirs and are overpriced as hell. The only exception is Eurocom, their laptops use actual desktop CPUs and have more NVME and RAM slots.
Acer has been shit until like last year with their nitros
@@Vinterloftfind fault in the legion 5 pro/7 series
That’s the Alma haunting
It makes sense if you look at the pcb and heatsink layout. Blower is throwing air over the pcb heatsink parallel to the fins and out the back keeping stagnant turbulent air off critical components. Then the blow through is putting as much cfm as possible through the open heatsink and is not sppashing back onto the pcb. Makes sense to me. Same concept as arctics freezer ii and iii aios.
Your explanation of the thought process behind it makes a lot of sense and it did seem to work fine. Thanks the comment. 👍
They had a A750 and I think A770 before this.
Yeah they were one of the first with intel ARCPartner Models using this BiFrost Cooler
i'm sure some of their prebuilts came with homemade graphics cards. maybe not. never bought an Acer prebuilt. but, it wouldn't shock me if they have.
The A770 is actually amazing
And before that they were already making their own GPUs for prebuilts. I bought a second hand Acer 3060 Ti during covid
@@VinterloftOh cool! I didn't know that.
Acer does make some decent monitors. I've had one of their 4k 120hz monitors for 4 years now.
I'm rocking an acer nitro 32" QHD 165Hz ips monitor which I got for €275 couple of years ago. Great buy so far
i have a ed270r best monitor i ever owned
And good chromebooks.
so you say they are only "decent" not GOOD, but "decent" at making monitors and thats it? you really are crazy
@@jijopov yeah they’re just decent lmao have you not looked at what LG, ASUS, and Zowie are offering nowadays? Those are good monitors
Should have reviewed the Acer Bifrost A770. It’s a fantastic card for $250. I’ve been using it for months.
does that have the same fan situation?
@@Couchtripper yes. But with RGB
Intel cards are not very good.
I ahev one, love it. it cost me double that here though... lol
@@EDGE234 That's just not even true, have you even owned an Intel card before?
Hey Dawid, I just realised since its 2024 now and the market is kinda nice, why dont you try a 2024 version of "CUSTOM VS PRE BUILT pc 2024 edition " video it'd be fun to watch
I just realized I have 2 ears.
that's great@@Boogie_the_cat
My cats breath smells like cat food.
@@sirkyoj1haha same. Especially right after he’s eaten 😂
So glad I found this channel. Quickly becoming one of my fav tech tubers. Also the shroud gag cracked me up lol
Your videos are a vibe dude it's really fun to hear and watch you
I got an Acer Predator in 2017, still using it in 2024 as a work from home PC.
You gotta update that into man, your filming skills, lighting and overall quality is crazy good and it doesn’t do it justice anymore!
I would have preferred seeing Dawid portrayed as "Arnold Schwarzenegger covered in mud in a jungle" instead of him throwing an acer straight into a river. Could photoshop his face over Arnold from a scene in the movie maybe
Man the "Shroud" pop ups are Amazing ❤❤
nah it does totally have the potential to have the benefits of both. the fan is there for actual cooling, and the blower is just a built-in exhaust for the whole system so it doesn't get too heat-soaked. the fan being there for cooling allows the blower to run at a slow enough rpm that it isn't noisy. in theory anyway.
I feel like trying to revolutionize a cooler design after this many years is a fool's errand. It's not like the laws of air mechanics and thermodynamics have changed. The best you're going to get is something comparable to what already existed, which is what we're seeing here.
The laws of air have changed to restrict drones in certain zones.
I'm sure the fan community has something to say about this, and apparently it is saying "blower"
I'm not sure how to parse this.
I'm going to take mushrooms and talk to the fans in my area to see their opinions.
Marketing ploy like pretty much everything else Acer does.
Yeah it’s all just marketing
Yeah let's just stop all R&D, everything good has already been done already.
@@mintymus What an overreaction. Because one aspect of one product in one market has been mostly solved, you take that to mean we should stop all R&D? Chill out
I wonder how many are going to get the joke about Arnold in the mud ... took me straight back into my child years thanks for making me feel old in a video about a GPU Dawid ! Verry Nice
11:03 yeah Acer Predator RX 7600 is $300 USD on amazon, with many other cards with the same GPU for $40 less. I'm considering getting a 7800 XT some time soonish.
I appreciate the noise that sounded like Star Trek Bridge sounds with the space scenes... its the little things in Dawid videos that make them truly epic.
I had an ASUS Dual 7600 that was an absolute overclocked and undervolted champion. Never had any crashes outside of getting the tune right
I have just purchased an Arc A770 version of this, only tested on one game - world of tanks - temps went up to a max of 77 c after about 1 hour of use, mine is a very good airflow case. Ive recently set the fan curve to not run till 55 c and it seems quite happy with that when not under load.
Case in question is a Thermaltake level 10
I've been using the XFX RX 7600 actively, and I haven't encountered any crashes. In fact, I've even undervolted it to squeeze out more performance without any stability issues.
"Babe dont wake up , acer make gpu now"
Acer: Get the best from both design (I am always genius)
Dawid: Looks more like going to get the downsides of both design (because I know Acer too well)
Me: (pressed like 👍)
got one of the a750s with this design lately and honestly... the build quality punches way above its price point ($180 at the time i purchased) so good job acer. feels premium and looks slick
ACER's Predator cards get hot. I had one of their 16GB Arc A770 cards, and this card got up to 90*C in a high airflow case running Unigine Heaven benchmark on its first pass!! I returned it and bought the ASRock Phantom Gaming version, which ran Heaven without a hitch, never going above 74*C.
Love how Dawid is still referencing a game that will turn 20yo next year. Freaking Alma, man 😂
First horror game I ever played, so good for it's time
Stop talking about Alma
Dawid has almost got me replaying fear so many times now it's not funny lol
Alma. Alma. Alma!!
(Summoning with the power of three)
I have the 6700XT Red Devil edition and it's a Beast in 1440p Gaming and draw just 140-160w during Gaming and Damn Silent as well :)
That heatsink coverage is nice, it would still perform better in a dual fan setup though
how the hell do u lose a computer tower ..?
Sir a second graphics card has hit the tower
I really don't wanna talk about it ok
great design... hope the trend catches on, i like the idea
The prebuilt running at completely respectable temps is my biggest takeaway. You should do a series on just how much a single 80/120mm case fan can handle.
A lot, I'm getting sub 60 with a 3070ti
It's not really about the temps that make negative pressure questionable. It gets a lot of dust sucked into the case & the dust filters, eventually seriously clogging up the limited airflow there already was. Positive pressure fares so much better in that aspect.
That heavily depends on how far you're willing to stretch the definition of a 80/120mm case fan - since technically, those over-9000 RPM Deltas they use in servers and mining ASICs count as case fans too.
I have had acer monitors and laptops, including my current ryzen 5800h with 3060. I have always had good experiences with acer.
My cousin has been using one for 7 years now and it's his main driver for his house building business.
Tge mouse clicking is a really good way to put noise into perspective, really helpful!
Used to be an Acer hater cuz it seemed like 'the laptop your parents bought in 2011 to edit a family photo album' But got an acer predator helios something in 2021 and man, ive had like 6 gaming laptops over 10 years and this one has been THE best. Been using and abusing it for 2 years now and the fans are still like new and it runs the same? Never had a gaming laptop fan last more than a year before it sounded like gravel so i gotta say i was really impressed
We need more LINOOOOOOODE
And that weird Glove company, I forgot the name, it starts with V I think 😂😂😂😂
I wonder if the crashing is from the acer card specifically or just in general RX 7600 cards. You could’ve put an msi card in there too maybe. RX 7600. To see if it crashes or not
Most likely RDNA3's fault. A friend had that issue during the few months it took AMD to find a fix with his 7800XT, he'd always crash once or twice a day no matter what but Cyberpunk was one of the games that would keep crashing like that.
@@vuri3798 The 7600 has been out long enough that any early driver issues should be well and truly fixed... The PCB seems fairly spartan compared to even the AMD reference board. I wouldn't be surprised if Acer's corner cutting is causing stability issues
@@Ben-Rogue Yeah tbh I would have liked to see him dive into that a little more.
I don't remember Acer's Arc cards doing worse in that way, and AMD already supposedly fixed (twice) the consumption issue that would cause these crashes on RDNA3, I also don't think Dawid saves videos for months. But I've recently seen users who bought OC models and Adrenalin automatically fucked up AIBs settings wen booting up. That's why I said most likely not surely, but I would have liked to know more...
@@vuri3798Yeah is that why all the day one and subsequent reviews of the 7600 never mentioned any crashes? You've now seen two, TWO! cards with problems, clearly all GPUs are trash.
Whenever I upgrade my GPU my PC crashes or black screens like Dawid's. In fact I'm dealing with it right now, it happened on multiple mobos (asrock/asus) and with 6600 XT, 1070 and now my 4060 TI. It eventually fixed itself but I had to reinstall windows, use DDU in safe mode but I still am getting crashes about 1-2x a day. I use OCCT to stress max power on CPU/GPU and it is fine so IDK what's happening
Dawid! They also have Acer Predator BiFrost A750 8GB. It cost 240 USD on AMZN.
There is also A770 16GB variant but it costs much more, about 360 USD.
I have an acer CB5-571 Chromebook from 2016, I still use it everyday to monitor Octoprint Jobs and stuff. The battery is still holding up. Installed a 128gb ssd years ago and have gotten more than my moms moneys worth out of it.
Such a weird design haha. I thought it was a low profile card from the thumbnail but nope.
Good one D!!
TIMMY JOEEEEEE!!!! The man the myth and the legend! I hope you are doing well my brudduh!!! Did you ever see the video that I made about you a few months ago? I really really hope you are doing well!
so do we now call this the new acer I suck, blown, and spit edition?
It blows and sucks at the same time too lol
@@gianlucamorellieyy wtf
I loved the fan design and was thinking of getting one if there's a price drop in a few years but im now reconsidering.
I think HIS has had the solution to the problem of noise with blower coolers with the IceQ for years, it has a dual-intake design which both drastically improves cooling compared to stock blower coolers and even at 100% speed the noise isn't terrible. I got an IceQ HD7870 and loved it.
Everyone in our family owns an acer laptop, ultra book, normal ones or gaming. The only place that smells of plastic more than my house is in a kardashian
As a computer technician that opens a lot of laptops I don't recommend Acer to clients. They seem to use cheaper plastics and skimp on small things like minimal damping protection for the hard drive/SSD and the least amount of screws to hold it together. Acer do make some good high-end and gaming laptops and some good monitors but their mid to low end laptops are rubbish imo. Dell, HP, Asus, Lenovo, MSI and MS Surface are much better although HP, Asus and Lenovo mid to low can be hit or miss. Dell seems to be good throughout and Surface only really start in the mid range and are good also. MSI make great gaming laptops as you probably know.
I mean no offence, I just recommend a better brand that's all.
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Have it. Love the design. It's in a Tower 100 and never goes above 65 degrees. Have been using it for a few months now. Absolutely love it. Got mine for about $230 US. Also up to now I've had 1 maybe 2 crashes.
😮ACER NITRO SUCK FACE EDITION. 😂😂😂😂
Acer most definitely produces some very high end, high quality laptops (not only gaming ones) besides the cheap budget ones and some good monitors too, and saying 'they are not terrible' is simply highly ignorant.
Blower fans are still awesome at keeping the GPU thinner and it blows the hot air out right away. With that secondary fan the blower doesn't have to run as fast therefore reducing the noise so this is a clever design though there is still room for improvement.
The bigger fan is pulling air in from the case and then the second one (squirrel cage style) is ejecting it from the case out the port. It's a pretty smart design actually.
Ejecting high heat right out of the case might make sense also assuming that airflow is limited. If some of the components produce less heat cooling the hot parts with hotter air and cooler parts with cooler air could net a benefit to going to a full internal circulation build. Also theres only 2 fans. End of the day you have to test both configurations in representative cases with all their other fans.
I got the Acer Predator BiFrost A770 OC and I quite like it so far. Glad to see Acer keep using the hybrid fan cooler design. Hope to see them doing cards for Intels next gen of GPU.
Cool GPU design!
Interesting concept, I know blower designs are noisier, but the idea if dumping some of the heat out in a distinct direction makes some sense to me.
Since the 7600 appears basically to be a reference card style build, the only trick is the cooler. I think you are correct, the "best of both worlds" solution here is for ACER's own use. When they make prebuilts with horrible airflow, the blower part of the card will do a lot to mitigate the airflow problems, and the more normal fan will "help". Considering the amount of heat pipe, fins, and copper, it seems like even if the blow through fan wasn't working at all that there would still be significant cooling going on. So I think they have built a very good card for their own business. It is way too expensive for what it is, though!
Think I got the idea behind this cooler design. With the blower the heat gets ejected through the IO plate outside the case, which makes the coaxial fan more effective in blowing through the finstack. it therefore does not rely that much on open spaces in the shroud. An aircooled CPU should also benefit from this cooler design as the air the gets blown through the graphics cards is cooler.
Interesting concept for GPU cooling. I'm not surprised it didn't work out too well with the stability, I wouldn't be shocked if temps rose too high on some part fo the card your overlay wasn't watching.
Probably a good idea to prototype a card like that to see how well it works, but it doesn't look like it was a good idea for a public release.
The cooling should be more than fine. The blower will keep the ram and gpu cool while exhausting the heat out of the ATX case. The standard fan/heatpipe/fin combo will handle the vrm/power handling components. This will cut down on a large chunk of the heat building up inside a ATX case. The key thing that will be needed though is for the case itself to have a proper fan intake to get enough cool air in the case for the card to utilize, while also having decent exhaust to dump whatever minimal heat does build up.
"Arnold SWAT and egger".
The close captioning trying to understand dawids accent leads to some hilarious results.
this is b4 taking it apart ,i get it and think wot a great idea !!!! u got a cooler with an extra exhaust fan and i really like it
Thank you for doing 'Tech Stuff'
i just got one of these the other day and i love it, i tuned the crap out of it and it crushes 1080p gaming. very nice upgrade to my RX590 from 2018. $250 on amazon!
6:03 I am part of the RTX 2060 squad. I was thinking about selling my card though and saving up to get a 7700 XT. I want to switch to AMD and give them a shot.
To be honest, I use two Acer monitors.
They were cheap to buy (about 120 € each), they are nothing fancy (60Hz), but they do the job fine many hours/day for the last 5 years and still not show any sign of fatigue.
All the Acer GPUs of this style were on sale during Black Friday 2023. I believe 240 USD or less. I was considering them, but my pc case is the NZXT H1. I figured the hot air would get trapped in the bottom or go back up into the case. I settled for the Asus RX 7600 instead. It hasn't given me any problems at 1080p.
Have had the bifrost A770 for quite a while now. It’s good, but good luck getting any software updates from Acer.
I have the a770 Preditor in a mini itx case and can definitely say it runs quiet when pushing 3440x1440 at max settings in various games with a 5700g... reaches 80c at max
Watching this on Acer XF240H. Pretty satisfied with it over the years.
I was a bit confused at 5:50 when I heard "Elma" but I think he meant "Alma Wade" From the Video Game Series F.E.A.R(good game series btw)
Dawid, I still want to see you do an "intel CPU with an AMD GPU" vs an "AMD CPU and an intel GPU" in the deathmatch arena of death
0:06 what a great picture of you!
It's kinda smart regular fan does most the cooling and the blower blows it out back of case doing some extra cooling
The one lesson that I learned over the last two weeks is - lay the PC case on it's side when installing a new GPU! I used to always install one with the case being upright, but the 4080 performance GREATLY improved when I installed it with the case laying down! For some other reason, the rest of my system sped up and performed much better as well!
Hopefully they will make a wide range of cards. If nothing else they look pretty cool.
I think you should have looked into SSD and Motherboard temps aswell aside from the CPU. That CPU cooler looks animic, I wouldnt be surprised that the cpu didnt rose in temps much because that little thing cant take more watts then that in any scenario... Anyway, cool video, thanks!
I have an old acer prebuild with an i5 8400 and a 1060, it's honestly still perfect for all I need
That name is crazy. Perfect for a minecraft youtuber.
The 16gb PNY RTX 4060 Ti I got is the exact same price as that Acer card. Insane!!
As far as the crashing goes did you have the AMD Adrenalin software installed or did you do the GPU drivers manually? I have a 7900xt and noticed that with the Adrenalin software I had random crashes in games but when I did a DDU and just manually installed the drivers without their software it resolved my crashing issues.
You do test the video card BEFORE opening it right ? It kinda hurts that the factory thermal solution is tampered with before testing. Great vid btw !!
He does, this was quite clearly stated in the vid.
I own the A770 Bifrost. It's a pretty cool GPU, with nice RGB and a good build quality. They use puddy instead of pads, temps are fine and the packaging is very nice, they include a USB thumbdrive with drivers instead of the usual CD of older GPUs. That's pretty cool. I believe they made a custom 4090 as well, you should check that out. Overall, Acer is doing way better than other manufacturers.
I've had pretty good results from my Predator Bifrost A770, I think the design is more meant to protect VRMS and memory than the GPU itself. That said I did get over 2600mhz from the a770 with good temps. I hope Acer keeps this design and improves upon it.
I love how he recognizes immediately that parts or systems are haunted
The 7000 series cards from AMD tend to power spike a bit from what ive seen. If you jump into AMD adrenaline and undervolt it by 20mv, increase the power slider all the way on the bottom right, and lower the clock speeds by 50mhz on minimum/maximum each you will have eliminated all of your issues. Also may want to end "AMD Noise supression" in task manager because that can do it too. Love the videos man. Keep up the great work.
Interesting cooler design. Blower for the GPU and the memory, heatpipes and heatsinks with a larger fan for the VRMs. In theory, that should work really well in case with good cooling and should also overclock pretty good as well...interesting.
Finally someone took a look into this design 😭
I'd love to see a card with a DC Cross Flow Fan at the back-end that blows the full length of the card out the back of the PC. I'm not sure how useful it'd be, but you could have wider fins, stack cards, and it wouldn't recirculate the air. (and though more expensive than the usual fans, it should still be way cheaper to cool a 7600 than what this card costs - but I highly doubt one could cool a 4090) LTT recently did a video about a case with a cross flow fan.
I've had the Acer iPredator A770 for a couple of years and I love it.
Intel arc ? Huh they are here for year max
@@Cyber_Gas I was roundin up. You are roundin down. It was launched Q3'22.
NGL, I'm digging the Acer design!
I think the crash was caused by the driver, I heard the new driver causing crashes and some of my friends decided downgrade the driver and there are no more crashes
I never knew I needed your mouth scream until you put it I. Now you have to do “Science Fiction Double Feature” for us :P
Before you put the card back together did you remove ,clean then replace the old thermal pads and thermal paste?
Dude, I would *love* for you to make a video doing a breakdown on how the number of degrees away from junction temperature empirically impact longevity.
Like, I'm sure there's some kind of function: 10 degrees away from junction = 2 year life span, 20 degrees = 5 year, 30 degrees = 10, etc.
I've seen a few of your videos where you don't seem to understand opportunistic boosting and squawk and cry about how it's "hot" without explaining how it being "hot" is bad.
I can save you a bit of time: silicon degrades prematurely due to excessive power.
The excessive power degrades the copper traces by causing the atoms to break off, leading to an eventual open circuit and death of the IC.
You can see this in the Intel 13th and 14th gen.
They're not crashing and degrading because they're "too hot". They are doing so because of excess power being supplied from the motherboard to eek out tiny benchmark gains.
Repeat after me: If the Intel chips were run under liquid nitrogen and running at 3 degrees C, they would degrade just as quickly as if they were running at the edge of their junction temperature limits.
Repeat it again: power, not temperature.
Again: It's not temperature. It's power.
Temperature is the *byproduct* of high power consumption. High power consumption is not a bad thing if the IC is designed to take that much power.
The problem with the Intel chips is that they're designed for a 125 watt TDP (not a power consumption value, but a value to use as a proxy. It's the approximate heat output at base clocks.)
If you take a "125 watt" (not really) part and pump 250 watts through it (yes really... really 250+ watts, some boards are allowing up to 999 watts for up to 4096 seconds or 8x the design power for an hour... when the turbo timer is usually 28-120 seconds.) and it runs at 20 degrees C under liquid, will it fail more quickly or less quickly than the same part running at 125 watts and 90 C under an air cooler?
(Hint: Yes... obviously.)
Stop. Obsessing. Over. Arbitrary. Temperature. Values.
Also, while you're at it: NAND store data for *longer* with *less* wear due to requiring *LOWER* temperature inputs when the NAND flash chip is HOTTER.
NAND flash runs LESS EFFICIENTLY requiring MORE POWER to save and maintain data when it is at a HIGHER temperature value.
The purpose of the heatspreader on an M.2 SSD is to move the heat FROM the controller (which yes, does throttle under extreme heat... but it also has a junction temperature meaning, again arbitrary values are meaningless without context) *TO* the NAND flash... to heat up the NAND flash.
New HAMR hard drives are so-named because they are... say it with me "HEAT-assisted magnetic recording". They HEAT UP THE SURFACE OF THE HARD DRIVE INTENTIONALLY to write more data in less space.
(PS, hard drives heat death is due to *uneven* cooling which causes the lubrication to break down, not the absolute temperature.)
That's why, again, arbitrary temperature values are meaningless without context.
Sincerely, a technical architect (8 years), data center architect (6 years), and computer hardware engineering major.
Why the fuck haven't I subbed to you? Man, you make me chuckle every time.
The thing with this bifrost cooler design is (and Dawid does talk about this), aren't most blowers enclosed on 4 sides to form a little tunnel to shoot the hot air out? Does it still work if you make little cutouts all over the place to increase the airflow of the axial cooler?
It can be crushing because of MSI afterburner. Northwest repair said that afterburner can crash new amd gpus and tested it on some. But last updates fixes some.
Seeing as you're in Canada maybe you can help what would a budget option be for a 16 gig graphics card? A couple of the llm programs I want to play with require a 16 gig to run them locally and therefore it doesn't need to necessarily be a 16 gig for gaming I was wondering if you had any suggestions. I don't think there's anything out there as a used option for something that size. Pretty sure anything 16 gig would be new there wouldn't be anything used. Trying to imagine how you manage to misplace a desktop computer given their size LOL
For some reason I always had strange problems with Acer laptops/PC's and other stuff. Never really broken but always unstable/crashing or getting way to hot. Both my Acer laptops died right after the warranty expired....
I recall having an Aopen Riva TNT 2 many (many) years ago and only recently found out they are a subsidiary of Acer