A New Contender To The LP Graphics Card Throne
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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I would LOVE to see the "Budget Optiplex Build of 2028" to see how it fares. It'd be hilarious.
2028? We're looking five years ahead already? 😂
The optiplex moved to a 12VO standard about 3-4 years ago on this sized (non MT) line. Almost completely and totally impossible to get power externally to a GPU (I've got a 9500 powered optiplex 3070 working as a NAS at the moment)
I'm pretty sure that external power is not needed and the GPU will still work. Its relative performance will be high enough to satisfy most users. I currently run a 1650 in my Opti 3060. @@andrewbenson6316
@@BREEZYM6015 Yes, this is a reference to Dawid's remark that when the current generation of low profile Optiplexes reach the used market five years from now this card will truly fulfill its purpose.
@@andrewbenson6316 they want to laugh at the price and wattage my friend
OMG they actually did it. I think the A2000 still has a better use case due to it using only PCIE power( 75W)
The quadro drivers got the a2000 are a bummer though.
But seeing how the stock Dell PSU powered that card without going into overload I think the extra power draw isn't much of an issue. I think the PSU in that Dell is like 225 watts, if it can power it, I don't think many systems would have issues.
Exactly, A2000 is the card I give to my HP prebuilt with a measly 310w PSU.
Every video card, including the GT710 is better than a stupid 40 series card.
All the specs except the clock speed are cut down dramatically compared to the 3060, and they expect unscrupulous reviewers (and Dawid) to use DLSS 3 to mask the facts.
Turn DLSS 3 off, and the 4060 will get maybe 15 fps more than the 3060
Dawid sold his soul
maybe nvidia should make an RTX 4050 with 75w tdp? surely it will be better than any LP card out there. already many 4050 laptops have 75w or less TDP so shouldn't be hard
@@Boogie_the_cat this video is about low profile cards. There aren't any options out there for low profile cards.
And no, a gt710 is not better than this thing. I don't even game and I know that isn't going to happen.
Yes, definitely do a 4060 LP in a modern SFF Optiplex, that one with the i5 13400 seems to be begging for some 4060 action.
maybe even a 12400 if its cheaper
that actually would be a kickass gaming pc
i was going to make the same comment!
It don't have space for 2 slot wide card
I'd like to see something like an optiplex with a i5 6500. Those go for around $100 now, and will definitely perform better than the 2600.
please do rtx 4000 sff ada
I saw someone else do that and it's about 2% faster than the 4060 in games but draws 1/3rd of the power
Done
"Crystal Ball Optiplexing" from the future would be fabulous. The content creation market is pretty saturated with Ivy/Sandy/Haswell Optiplex builds at this point, but you'd probably be among the first to show the audiences out there what budget Dell builds of the future will look like in a few years. I'd love to see that. You could build it up as a "2028 Amazon Gaming PC" and simulate how people would refurbish them haha.
Yeah but you'd probably still be using outdated processors, most probably kaby lake and coffee lake once those Optiplexes go down in price
My point exactly. Nobody builds those yet, but they'd be interesting to benchmark. Though AMD hasn't helped us given their focus on the higher end, the low-mid level chips with Intel seldom get the spotlight in build videos.
@@CrocoDylianVT Coffee Lake i5 would be a huge upgrade in CPU limited games though with 50% more CPU power. Even 10th gen will only add HT which will be another ~15-20% maybe. As an i7-4790 Optiplex user, even an i7-7700 will only be ~15-20% faster but that 8th gen bump will be the big one.
@@lewzealand4717 The problem being that later Optiplex's moved the full-length PCIe down to the bottom slot, leaving dual-slot LP cards incompatible. Been hunting for one for ages before I gave up.
@@AwSomeNESSSI might be really really dumb, but can't you just take Optiplex hardware and rebuild it in any ATX case for like $10? Then you won't have to buy an LP GPU and think about cooling.
this is a really fascinating video on the low profile 4050. thanks, dawid!
4060*
@@Mr.Genesisr/woooosh
Ha, I get the joke
@@Mr.Genesis They made a typo in Nvidia when they put these out. Should be 4050.
@waitwhat1320like how the new Supra is actually a BMW?
David is hilarious. I'm glad I found him. I just wish Anna got more screen time with him.
i think it's spelled Dawid
@@Yinzzy656 it is, but forgive the newb lol
@@Living-gnu-64heck, I've been watching him awhile but his name constantly gets auto corrected any time I type it
@@Living-gnu-64 or I didn't catch the auto correct.........
Why?
For those of you waiting on a 4050 to enter the low-profile 75W market; it might, but if you look at the laptop variants you're getting 6GB RAM and a 96-bit bus; same as the Intel A320LP but by some accounts that sucks down less than 40W under load.
Also Dawid, a more accurate Optiplex would be something with a 7th or 8th gen i5; you can find tons of them on refurb sites. My Optiplex is a 7th-gen i7 and it cost me $400AUD 3 years ago (also has USB-C and an nvme slot!)
Sounds like a good candidate for some VRAM overclocking. I guess gpu manufacturers might do that themselves if nVidia will allow it. Still though, it could be an interesting gpu if it manages to be single slot LP. Afaik the RX 6400 is still the fastest gpu in that category and it's only got 4GB on a 64 bit bus (not to mention the gpu itself isn't exactly amazing either)
@@SterkeYerke5555Will probably have similar results on the 4070 Ti, where memory oc also does a lot.
nVidia are really cheaping out on the memory bus here. 192-bit was usually always for the x60 cards, and they performed really well.
The 4070 should have a 256- bit bus, the 4060 a 192-bit bus and the 4050 a 128-bit bus, minimum.
They basically equipped all cards one tier lower this time.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Tbf, nVidia equipped the cards with hardware from one tier lower in general this generation. That goes for the memory bus, but also die size, shader units and relative performance to the flagship of every generation. The 4070 Ti might as well've been the 4060 Ti or 4070 if it were named (and priced!) the way nVidia would've done until last gen
I would absolutely love to see the MODERN OPTIPLEX OF THE FUTURE (from 2028 or something). The concept of taking a crappy prebuilt or office system and turning it into an unexpected gaming beast is always super cool to me
This is how I built my bedroom media/gaming pc. Got a HP Prodesk with a Pentium and 8gb ram for £40 (seller did me a deal as I wanted 2 of them, but they were selling for £60 each), got a i5 6600 for £20, a passively powered 1050 ti for £60 and £20 on ram.
For £140 I think it would be a challenge to build a better PC. I had to do quite a bit of research to find a GPU that wasn't overpriced or just e-waste. Some people would argue a 1050ti is e-waste, but it is still a serviceable card for AAA games that are 1 or 2 years old already (the specs are basically God Of War's recommended specs) and I already have a gaming PC, if I want to play a new title I can just use Parsec to play it remotely.
Currently using an HP Elitedesk SFF with NVME, 64 Gb RAM and an RX6400. It's not the *best* system I've used, but it *is* a total sleeper build.
I'm really hoping we get a 75 watt 4050... That would be an amazing card for slide in upgrades... (as long as it has more than 4 PCIE lanes)
I would go another route. A LP 4060 Super that uses the AD104 chip of the 4070, but at much lower clocks. That should give quite a spike in efficiency.
@@Jantcha it’s older architecture though. In theory this could perform better even at 75w.
You won’t get that cause the 4060 is what the 4050 should have been.
If you want a 75W card, buy a workstation card or AMD gpu.
Intel´s ARC 380 from Asrock should be what you search for with a decent price on it.
@@joemarais7683 asterisk* RTX A2000. It exists and not talking about price, it incinerated the Pathetic RX 6400
With the 8 pin power and reduced 128 bit bus and PCIe 4.0 x8 I'm not exactly sure who this was targeted at, certainly not the old Dell/HP SFF PC's, but it's something I've been waiting for and also seems to be quite popular based on Amazon and Newegg availability. Surprised they didn't do a LP 3050 last generation for a little DLSS and ray tracing action.
probably for the itx enthusiast. hdplex actually has 400w small psu nowadays.kinda sized like pico.. it should be well enough to power a ryzen 5600+ this tiny 4060. this should opens up some new door for more powerful compact rig
The A2000 is why the GA-106 die the 3050 and 3060 are made from even exist. It's no coincidence the best-binned silicon from that line just happens to hit the perfect voltage/shader count sweetspot within the slot-only power budget that's perfect for the LP form factor that you can sell for extortionate prices to professionals and data centres. Why let board partners make a product that competes with any of the unique selling points that will cannibalize the cash cow you went to so much trouble to design? Make no mistake, gamers are second-class citizens in the world of GPUs now.
@@workdesu Most of the time the ITX crowd can still run full height GPU's, even if they're limited to single fan models like the Palit 4060 Ti StormX and ZOTAC Gaming. Still feel the pain paying more for a GTX 1650 LP vs a 1650 Super or even a 1660!
My ITX system has a full size 3080 in it. Its not the smallest system in the world but its only 11L volume
ray tracing is impossible to use on a 3050...
3050 struggles on low settings without raytracing lol
Put the 4060 on 75 watt tdp manually and remove the 8 pin connector and see if that works. If not you can disable the power connector=false in the bios to fool the card to thinking the 8 pin connector is connected.
This would mean it can be used in more usecases (weak psu or whatever) and it would be pretty cool to see how they compare performance wise without a psu!
David has to see and do this
Is this really a thing? Never heard of that bios option
If this can be done id like to see that.
@@_Winfried_must be in the GPU bios, that wouldn't be in a motherboard bios.
@@_Winfried_ its not necessarily an option, basicly you change the word 'false' into 'true'.
Its not as easy as my comment makes is sound though, but since people make entire custom biosses for gpu's (like RX570 getting custom RX580 bios to boost performance) simple changing 1 word should definitely be doable
Would have been interesting to see the 4060 power limited to 75w for MB only power.
i'm pretty sure that w/o the 8 pin connector it would just burn up the pci slot tyiing to provife the power.
@@snoflahke6575 it wouldn’t burn it up, the motherboard has protections against that. The card simply wouldn’t work if it wasn’t getting enough juice.
I’m fairly certain this is the first time a 60 class card gets the LP treatment. The last good gtx LP cards I can remember were 750tis, but I also think 1050s existed
keep in mind many people among the tech community claim nvidia shifted the whole naming scheme up, so that technically the 4060 should have been named 4050 (based on performance gains over last gen), so on and so forth.
The LP 4060 only strenghtens this narrative.
The GTX 1650 had an LP version. Gigabyte made one. And I think MSI did too.
@absolutemadchad8637pretty decent for a ~50W card.
That’s because it is a xx50 class card being sold as a 60.
@@ehohacknermain evidence for this is the crippled 128-bit memory bus and tiny XX107 GPU chip, both of which have always been 50-class. The performance numbers tell the same story; there is memory-bound applications where the "4060" is outperformed by a 3060, 2060 and even 1660 Ti.
Definitely do a video pairing it with a more competent mini office pc. 6th through 8th gen intel would probably be the play.
There is one issue with this card. When you need a small GPU - chances are - that you also have very small case. 3 fans may be efficient, but if your PC case is small it won't gonna help and after 1 hour of gaming your PC components are gonna get hot - especially if this thing needs more power. It would be actually way better if this gpu had blower style cooler (just like A2000) as it ejects hot air directly out of your case. Blower coolers are just better for small cases.
This video helped me immensely with a project I’m working on. I needed to see a tear down of this card. You’re the first person I’ve seen do it. Thanks Dawid.
You may be able to flash a different bios on the A2000 card with the new unlocked nvflash tool. Might get some more performance out of it.
probably not, it already runs around 70W and the pciexpress slot are 75W, if u dont want to burn it up, avoid flashing a bios, beside that u lose the quadro benefits of the special driver features
It is limited by the power, I have tested it and there is no way of going beyond the power limit because you can't add more power onto it due to the pcie connection limit
hell, if we're talking about the fastest 75w card, go look at the rtx4000sff. its a batshit crazy workstation card with 20 gigs on it.
not that much performance, not from concentrate has a system with a water cooled shunt modded one and the 4060 is still gonna outperform it
the new RTX 4000 is the true successor to A2000, would love to see that in action
Wish that card was cheaper
@@ToothlessSnakeable and smaller, It doesn't fit on low profile cases like the a2000
I would loved to see the A2000 and the 4060 doing the A2000 intended tasks and see how they compare.
The problem with the current gen of SFF ex: Inspiron 5070, 3020 is that the PCIE x16 slot is on the bottom, which means only single slot GPUs work, and for some forsaken reason, they thought that it was a good idea.
Every generation of Optiplex SFF after the 3010 has this same problem, even the newest 3000/5000/7000 series! Sadly, my 3050 can't take a double slot GPU.
It's a shame Dell is still kneecapping them...super odd design choice. I have a few 7000's laying around at work with i7-12700s that would be great compact gaming machines if it weren't for this issue
I always wondered why nobody made a LP card with a cooler on the back. Wrap it around and have the cooling on the side where there is at least a slot for room, and in may cases even more above that.
i have a g3 hp elite desk sff i7 7700 and i got lots of slots and the perfect slot space for a 2 slot card
Dell 3450（Inspiron 7090） also has this problem, but 3460 has changed it
I wish we had more LP graphics cards that can be powered entirely on the PCIE slots. Love these to make old office PCs into gaming PC
How about the new RTX A4000 LP graphics card vs the RTX4060 LP, the a4000 is also 70W
It is actually named RTX A4000 SFF to be more precise if you are unable to find it as LP
Down side, the A4000 is VERY pricy. Makes the 6GB A2000 look cheap, and even the 12GB A2000 look fairly cheap.
A test of the 4060 limited to the same 70 watt TDP as the A2000 would have been enlightening, as I am most interested in the efficiency aspect of the newer card in a lower power build(my entire mindset starts with off grid solar system efficiency). As always, though, very entertaining!
When it comes to low profile GPUs, I'm still partial to the nVidia Tesla T4. Another pricey GPU but it's a single slot, solely slot powered GPU with RTX 2070 performance. The A2000 and 4060 LP are nice but neither are single slot which limits the size of some low profile builds. That being said, nVidia Tesla GPUs do require more setup than GeForce or formerly Quadro GPUs.
The RTX 4000 SFF is the king! Do a video on that please
The A2000 is really a quadro-type card, so it's good for rendering, but may not be as fast as the RTX "Geforce" type cards which are meant for gaming, and are faster overall, but perhaps at a slight disadvantage when it comes to rendering (some rendering errors can possibly occur although I haven't really see any in my limited testing between the two -- the RTX "quadro" type cards are just designed more for render accuracy and heavy duty processing (at the cost of speed) since they are designed for workstation and design/CAD use primarily which isn't usually speed oriented.
Yes, Dawid. Make that video on used Optiplexs in 5 years from now.
its crazy how small that card is vs the full size desk top versions
Most of the space is the heatsink, and on lower end cards they are using the same big heatsinks as the higher end cards because it's cheaper to mass produce a single heatsink for all
And people still go for the Strix version
Yeah you should definitely try it out with a new optiplex
Dell SFF cases after about the 6th gen Intel can only fit a single width card. HP's 8th gen Intel is similar - the power supply limits the x16 slot to a single slit width. Thankfully, HP relented with the 9th gen and reintroduced double width slots in some, but not all of its SFF cases.
Having a modern gpu with no power connector is very much needed for a reasonable price. Adding it to old business pcs for a nice budget pc is where its at. I feel like a rx 6500 or a 4050 ti with 6gb of vram would be nice.
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Would be cool if there is a way to only use pcie power on the 4060
manually limit the TDP
If you undervolt like hell you probably could
I agree I thought the main selling point of LP cards was the non extrnal power needed.
@@linuxnerd5319 its for use on a HTPC system aswell
But the problem is that it cannot be turned on without connecting the 8pin power supply, not even the 6pin one.
the real question is now, which of the 2 "new" Low-profile graphics cards will be the "REAL King": The 4060 LP or the RTX A4000 SFF ;)
I think that one is fairly obvious given the price of the RTX 4000 SFF. The LP 4060 still wins.
The RTX 4000 SFF will likely get more performance per watt (although we haven't seen the 4060 LP undervolted to 75W), but it definitely won't have more performance per $$$ than the LP 4060. It would have to have more than 4 times the performance of the LP 4060 to be worth the $1,500+ price tag.
monster graphics card!
The way I see it, I would rather the 4060 have need supplemental power and still perform like a 4060 than not need it and have it perform worse while still being called a 4060
It would be nicer if Nvidia considered gamers and pro customers on equal footing like they used to and didn't reserve the good binned silicon just for deep pocketed data centres
You should get an optioned with a system that runs some ddr4 like a 6th gen and see how it runs. I bet it’s a huge difference.
I have it on 8th gen Intel CPU, 8700 to be precise, and it runs very well, though I have the 6GB ram version of the A2000
Also ddr4 on 6th gen doesn't exist unless you talk about laptops in which case it is impossible to test it
I have an HP desktop with a i7-6700 in it and 32GB DDR4 in it. It was 5th gen that started to switch between DDR3 and DDR4 @@ilijazafirov4192
@@ilijazafirov4192 there are motherboards in lga1151 with ddr4.
About to upgrade my optiplex 790 MT
I've been wondering
Will the rx 580 one with long design but one fan like the 4060 lp on this video fit into the chassis?
Also I'm using i5-2500 (no k) should i upgrade if possible or is it enough?
Just a heads up, for Mini-DP you can easily buy Mini-DP to DisplayPort cables so you don't have to use dongles. My users do it all the time for laptop docks.
The adapters are normally included with the A2000. So free, usually.
@@bricefleckenstein9666 Indeed, that is a perfectly valid option. I was just giving another for folks who didn't want adapter dongles hanging off the back of their GPU.
The 4060 won't dethrone the RTX 4000 SFF Ada Generation... or will it?
Won't, RTX 4000 SFF Ada = 3070 performance, meanwhile the 4060 can't even match the 3060 Ti.
Curious to see how the LP 4060 runs at 70 watts 😅
The first time I watched this video I thought of how efficient new GPUs are getting, getting the video recommended again made me think.. what if Nvidia releases a version of the 4060.. or even a 4050 that runs on just PCIE power without the need for any cables. I wonder what the price-performance ratio would be in applications like this.
This shows how important cooling is to have a decent performance
From what I've seen, the 40 series seem to be really efficient at 900-950 mV. You can reduce power draw and increase performance at the same time. And less power draw means easier cooling.
The fact that the 4060 is half the price for sometimes double the performance is hella impressive. I also never can and never will get over how CUTE those little cards are
A2000 6GB can be bought for 200-250$ used and there is no gaming performance difference than the 12GB version
@@ilijazafirov4192 ok that's great but this is easily worth the 330 being new and having like 70% more performance on average
@@creaturedanaaaaa not if you use it in SFF office PC which doesn't have extra power (most of them limited power supply to 200-250W on 1 or 2 rails and without GPU power connector), besides the PCIE power itself you don't have an extra power, for a custom made SFF PC where you can use whatever power supply you want, certainly you are correct.
If there is a test where the 4060 is limited to 70W (at which the A2000 runs), we can decide which one is better to get, but on the other hand why would you even buy 4060 if you have to underpower it.
You look cute too 😉
There is a SFF RTX A4000 ada out there with 20GB and no external power connector... You might need a sponsor and a buyer of your least favorite organs to afford it though
Hi, if you want to branch out and try other companies low profile cards there's this. Arc Pro A60 12 GB graphics card and I think AMD are also doing something similar. Could be fun to compare price/performance in your unique and enjoyable way. Keep up the good work.
The Pro A60 is single-slot full-profile, the Pro A50 is dual-slot low-profile, and both of them are absolute unobtainium. I haven’t been able to find them either stand-alone, in prebuilts, or second hand yet, despite their “release”.
AMD’s got the Radeon Pro W7600, which is single-slot full-profile with a 6-pin and is basically a W7600 with a lower boost clock, and maybe more interesting in the field of “putting pro GPUs places they shouldn’t be and doing things they’re not meant for”: the cut down W7500 that’s also single slot and full height, but doesn’t need a power cable.
@@jameslake7775 so you wouldn't be at all interested in seeing the comparison? I thought that it might be interesting. I couldn't remember the name of the AMD offering. Thanks for letting me know as I knew that I'd read it somewhere.
@@hum430 Oh it would be neat to see, but the point was more that I'm not sure you can do the Arc Pro comparison, since the cards only seem to exist on paper. At the right price I'd be dangerously tempted by an A60, but Intel can't say when or where or how much!
@@jameslake7775 yes, I did a quick search after your message and it does appear elusive still it's the type of video he excels in so it would be fun if he could an apparent power draw maximum of 130 and of course I am also interested in what the AMD card has to offer.
Awesome to see LP cards get some love (high end gaming, raytracing, and DLSS 3 in this form factor? Awesome!) - but yeah, I think that 8-pin will limit its use cases, especially as a drop-in card for prebuilt office PCs. They just don't have the connectors. LP power supplies with those connectors are also probably rare and quite expensive.
The thing is that the 4060 would probably run decently with the 75W of PCIe power (as seen in laptops, and this is practically the same chip) but maybe NVIDIA just doesn't allow that?
The power setup in that optiplex is a monstrosity, and exactly what I expected of you. congrats
Maybe make a custom HTPC/Slim PC with it. That I think would be it's best use. Perhaps something weird off AliExpress that can only use LP cards.
Or make the smallest gaming PC you can possibly do with it and a Flex PSU.
The 4060 is a PCIe gen 4 8x card. The Dell optiplex is a PCIe gen 2 and at 8 lanes... probably the cause of the stuttering?
A2000 LIST PRICE is only $449, and it's widely available for $400 OR LESS on used cards on Amazon (certified) - for the 6GB version.
The 12GB version IS crazy priced.
4060 low profile performance is all about it's higher power draw (A2000 DOES NOT NEED OR HAVE an additional power connector as you did mention) allowing higher clock rates, they are same almost identical core count and both are Ada generation.
The other issue is that SO FAR the only low profile 4060 is Gigabyte with their GARBAGE DIE TOO FAST fans - I'd wait for a similar release from someone like MSI or ASUS that uses decent reliable fans.
if you want low power, try AMD and limit the clockspeed to 2000-2100Mhz. i did that with RX 6600 and it only consume 30-60 watt with around 20% performance loss though you can retrieve it using FSR... the problem is just AMD driver is pretty garbage and might "not compatible" with some game which cause the game to stutter pretty hard and annoying... (the gpu clock often drop to 100Mhz)
This video is already behind: Nvidia already released the RTX A4000 ADA SFF that's better than the A2000. Also, why don't you try running the RTX 4060 without the 8-in and limit it to motherboard power? I'd like to see how it can go watt-for-watt against the A2000 without the unfair advantage (a lot of SFF cases might not have the extra power, and I don't want to rig up SATA cables to do it either).
Finally, to be fair, you can get RTX A2000s secondhand for like 200-250 since they were popular mining cards for a short while. I have one and it's been great.
4060 isnt technically LP GPU when it requires 8 pin connector that isnt found in small form desktop PSUs . So if you have SF desktop , you will need to upgrade a PSU that has 8 pin connector which IT WONT FIT in SF desktops LMAO ! So the use case for this 4060 " LP " makes absolutelly no sense at all because if i need to get a bigger case to accomade a bigger PSU that has 8 pin connector then at that point im building a new PC and i 4060 " LP " wont be in it LOL . So dynb
I have a 3069 and it looks so similar to that just a little bigger and it has 12 gigs of memory
The RTX 4060 have a pcie 4.0 at 8X like the 4060 ti. The motherboard of the I7 2600 have a pcie 2.0 at 16X (or 8).
Try the 4060 in modern motherboard set to pcie 3.0 for see the différence VS 4.0.
The A2000 have a pcie 4.0 at 16X. Not realy a problem with pcie 3 at 16X.
I can't help myself, I vehemently hate that this exists. The A2000 has some motive to be around as you can throw it into servers, and do actually useful things with it. But this is an abomination of an comically overpriced GPU with zero care for the from factor intended use case. Anyone who seriously considers needs their head checking.
you're still missing the a4000 sff David
I just put one of these bad boys into a build in a Silverstone MILO11 case and I'm shocked by how relatively quiet the small fans are, even when cranked up.
It truly is a Short King.
Silverstone ML03 for me, and yes the fans and cooling are actually a pleasant surprise, performs cooler and quieter than even the GTX 1650 LP. The initial photos made it seem extremely long but even with the triple fan configuration it's not much longer either.
this is the only 4060 worth buying
Tbh I think that the A2000 is still better.. just because of PCI-E 3.0 and 16 PCI-E Lanes. The 4060 is just a dead birth in my eyes.
These couldn't've _possibly_ come out at a better time, either--all of the RTX A2000s online are either out of stock or more expensive than this (USED, mind you).
a2000's are stupidly expensive.
They were a hot ticket item for mining, I don't know if the demand is still there for them, but I would have expected prices to come down...
RTX 4000 ADA is the same size and power draw as A2000's, and runs as good as an RTX 3070 from my understanding. The true king
I want to see a comparison between rtx 4000 ada and this card. I'm pretty sure that that card had about 6000 cuda cores which is higher than 4060
There is actually another lp card that has 24gb vram. You should check it out. Sadly its about $1500. ;-;
The startfield benchmark sequence is inaccurate, players spend most of their time on planets, big cities and spaceships and not that much on dogfights which is one of the most least gpu intensive areas of the game in my opinion.
You can get an SFF optiplex with an i5 8500 for around 100 these days Dawid. Would probably give the 4060 some air to breathe
The low profile king should be power efficient, cheap, and obviously fit in pretty much anything. RX 6400 LP is the true king 😮💨
Lol no i think 1650 LP is equal or bit faster.
For one moment I thought that was a normal size card and your hands were ENORMOUS !!!!!!!!!!
Why don't you use a dell precision 3450 with an i7 11 gen processor, that would be awesome
1 QUESTION can you like try the Radeon 530? i would very Appreciate it
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Low profile cards are LIGHT - they don't need a backplate for rigidity.
You need to drill some air holes in the side of the optiplex and undervolt the gpu and lower the power target in afterburner.
Sometimes, I cover myself in vaseline, jump the shower, and pretend Im a bar of soap.
bro pls do a 4060 lp with an OptiPlex 5000 Small Form Factor with an i7 12700
I mean, looks like it's a tiny baby to the gighuge 40 series. Very, very cute baby at that.
When I bought the 40 60 low-profile I ran into the same problem with the power connector Amazon didn't show a picture on that side of the card so I didn't know it needed an eight-pin and I already knew the small form-factor Dell optiplex couldn't connect to it normally however I did have a DT optiplex small-form-factor that had a different power supply not a full ATX one but a tfx that apparently with Silverstone you can buy a 500w and slap it in currently right now it's working well with the 4060 to play games at 2k 1440p with a i7 4770
I Think this Graffics card for mini build pc
The one with all power but small form factor
I think you should also include some other games like CS:GO or CS2, even though such GPUs wouldn't really fit into competitive games.
Quite a nice little card, the RTX 4050. If only it was named and priced right. 128-bit memory bus is not 60-class. And it's hilarious that the same tiny GPU exists in a 3-slot STRIX cooler version.
I paid $280 for my used 6GB A2000 in the spring, which I think is a better deal than the 4060. It's paired with a Haswell i7 and 16GB, which is plenty for 1080p.
Sorry to say but you still got a worse deal than the 4060 when you factor in the performance per dollar. You could have paid 27% more for 100% more performance.
Literally worthless... doesn't have a thiddy in the name.
If that 4060 still requires a PSU power connector then not really Low profile
the die dimension and the fact that you can have a lp 4060 confirm one more time that this simply a 4050
If they'd just make an iGPU with that capability, we'd all be happier.
As it is, the 4060 isn't viable for anyone but sff enthusiasts.
Have a great day!
That's what it's for..
It's a niche use-case.
Optiplex machines are good for kids.
Dawid, you should consider making an updated video on these low profile Dell rigs. You can get Optiplex 3080 with a 10th gen i5 for $450 or less, which would make for a really compact and capable gaming rig if paired with a card like this. Cheers!
There is something amusing about those low profile cards being slotted into a system with that massive chonker of a cooler on it.
While not as impressive as Dawid's beast it does look kind of funny slotted beside a Noctua NH-L12S, a lot of heatsink for a low profile case.
All these various LP card reviews call the A2000 the top dog... Is that because nobody has ever actually seen an A4000 SFF in the wild ?
Haven't seen in the wild, but at the price they're asking, yikes! Better off getting a 4080 in that price bracket. I even passed on 6GB A2000 as it was cheaper to get a 12GB 3060 and riser cable.
I need this at 75W that can feed off the mainboard without using external power
Well since the 4000 ada sff came out it should be this and 4060 lp against eachother
you need 5th gen i7 or newer to have max game compatibility
I think people are making far too big of a deal out of the 8-pin power. This thing isn't going to make sense in most older SFF systems for other reasons that have nothing to do with power. And a lot of newer ones with at least 300 watts is going to be fine for this with a dual SATA adapter.
Please buy a (relatively) modern optiplex (10th gen intel?) and see what's possible!! - maybe compare to a custom cheap build? Would love to see what you could do with an equal budget
also replacing the PSU in the Optiplex makes a huge difference. Just drop the mother board in an ATX case with a decent watt PSU and mod connections as necessary. Can by adapter kits for fans and such for optiplex depending on the model.
Because they're not all created equal. Mines a 9010 SFF with an i7 4770, so while there are no front interface mods for it, it can take a proper full size 24 pin PSU, which of course helps with using GPU's that need external power.
OMFG i was just looking for reviews of this gpu earlier
Dawid I’m located in surrey, can I have a windows 98 pc?
I would be so happy if you had warzone as a test for your benchmarks. It’s the main game I play and I use it as a reference. Would be great if you could chuck it in there
Every other 4060 variant: booo
LP 4060: YOOOOOO
You can get an i7 8gen system for only 70-100$ nowadays
:-( need it w/o the power connectors because it's need to live in a nas.