Prophet Rev2 Overview
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- Prophet Rev2 Overview
Intro (00:00)
Comparison between Prophet '08 and Prophet REV2 (03:34)
Prophet REV2 Features (08:05)
Demonstration of Patches (01:13:21)
Outro (01:33:02)
Prophet '08 Sound Set: mikehiegemann.com/sound-desig...
The promised German User's Guide/Die versprochene deutsche Fassung des Prophet Rev2 Benutzerhandbuchs: forum.davesmithinstruments.com... 
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Once again I must thank you for this video. Having watched it a few times I decided I couldn't live without buying one of these ! I went to the shop yesterday to try it out (and instantly knew how to use it thanks to your video) and am now the proud owner of a Rev2 16 voice :-)
Glad to be of help, 666JGNotts. And congrats on your Rev2!
Just bought my Rev2 yesterday, after pining for ages. I can't believe how much I love this thing already, and it's a real joy to walk through your video along with my Prophet ("My Prophet" - I can finally say that!!) Great job man, and a very generous sharing of your knowledge.
Thanks for watching!
Terrific overview of the REV2. Thank you, Paul!
Excellent video!! You've just explained pretty much every feature of this synth in detail and demonstrated them very well along with a demo if it's sonic capabilities at the end. After carefully watching your thorough video in addition to a previous listen of your soundcloud sample clips, I'm now entirely convinced THIS would be a great synth for me. You even gave us a thorough demo of the enhanced "slop" function along with the detune function of the unison mode. This is just what I needed to hear. This has to be the closest DCO synth I've ever heard to properly mimic VCO drift. Thank you!
Thanks a lot for your comment, Dr. 808 The Earthshaker. Much appreciated.
Wow! I can't express how invaluable this lesson is, what an amazing tutorial. This has helped me learn so much about my REV 2. Thank you Paul!
Thanks a lot for watching!
This was a comprehensive manual in video form, thank you SO much for taking the time to do this.
I'm picking up a REV 2 tomorrow and watching this has been invaluable.
Thanks a lot, Alex!
Hehehe actually it's evaluated around 1999€ :)
An excellent video overview great as an introduction and for reference purposes.Thank you for your time and effort Paul
Thank you for your comment!
The best overview of Rev 2 on youtube. Thank you so much!
Thanks a lot, Uriel!
this is brilliant. i just got the rev2 and this is really helping me out. thanks so much for taking the time, Paul!
Thanks a lot for watching!
Paul, I cannot tell you how helpful this is. As someone overwhelmed by the filter section, it really helped. Thank you.
Thanks for watching, Lawrence!
I was initially turned off by how long this video was because, aint nobody got time for that, but this is by far the BEST video made on the Prophet Rev2. Best walkthrough. I learned so many things about my Rev2 that I was unaware of. There should be a link to this video when you buy a Rev2. Great job Paul! I'm so glad I decided to watch it!
Jonathan Camacho Thanks a lot for watching! Much appreciated.
When you spend $1500 spend the the time getting the info on it
Amazing video! 👏 You literally are a PROPHET for preaching out all of this info in video form! I just got a used Rev2 but it feels like new!!
Thank you for the thorough review and the awesome patches 🙏
Thanks for watching!
Very well done! the best demo so far...loved the playing at the end also. The synth sounds lush. Mines on order.
Thanks a lot, Andy!
You should call this video The Ultimate Guide to DSI REV2! Very well done! Thank you so much! I just placed an order for a Rev2, can't wait :)
Mamoud Hafez Thanks a lot for your comment! Much appreciated.
Thanks for taking the time to do this in-depth video. 10 thumbs up!
Thanks a lot, legosteveb!
Very detailed review. One of the best about REV2. Thank you!
Thanks a lot for watching! Much appreciated.
Perfekt! Habe den Rev2 seit einer Woche, das meiste schon kapiert, aber von dir noch einiges Neues gelernt.
Ich hatte mich über Patches mit deutschen Namen („Auf nach Oberheim“ usw.) gewundert, aber auch dieses Rätsel ist nun gelöst. :)
Dankeschön! Das "Auf nach Oberheim" Patch ist übrigens nicht von mir. Da gab es noch andere deutschsprachige Kollegen, die dafür verantwortlich sein könnten.
Excellent video! Just got my Rev 2 and this in depth guide is 100% better than the small and limited manual...
Thanks a lot! Enjoy your Rev2.
One of the best and most accurate video about a synth I've ever seen!
Thanks a lot, Giuseppe!
Wow, really good video! Good to get deeper into this instrument! Thanks! :)
Thank you, David!
Habe gerade ein rev2 (vorerst mal 8 Stimmen & Desktop aus finanziellen Gründen...) bestellt und bin so auf dich hier gestossen; vielen herzlichen Dank für dieses Video, was für wunderbare Inspirationen!
Herzlichen Dank!
Thanks for taking your time and sharing this with other people, I haven't watched it all yet, but bookmarked it and will take the time and use it as a reference; It's a great overview!
Thanks a lot, Helder!
There are a few threads online, of DSI Prophet Rev2 users looking for tutorials; I wonder if it'd be a good investment to create a hands-on course in the udemy website and offer it for a small fee. That'd be super popular I believe.
Thank you, Paul! There were a few things I didn't know (skipped when reading the manual) and they will come in very handy.
Just to let everyone know there is very is an in depth stand alone editor for the rev2. I dont think people who made it are affiliated with DSI but it looks pretty good and it works perfectly. It even has a patch morpher which let's you come up with awesome patches in a matter of seconds. You can buy it from Soundtower.com.
Thank you, Bill! Glad I could be of help.
Wow, finally a detailed video that shows how this thing works! I wish I could find the same thing for the 08. Thanks, I think I might have to buy one of these.
I actually did buy one this morning! Thanks again Paul!!
If everything goes well I'll be enjoying your presets tomorrow! Thanks a bunch, really good vid.
Thank you, Ron!
What a great video, just what I was looking for. Ordered mine yesterday!!
Thanks a lot! Enjoy your Rev2.
Thank you for making this! Really helpful, and much appreciated
Thanks for watching!
U r The Mann! Jetzt versteh ich mein Synth fast Komplet. Sehr detailliert & kompetent vermittelt, danke.
Dankeschön!
A very good demo you have done there Well done
Thanks a lot, Paul!
Vielen Dank für deine Mühe, finde ich echt klasse und sehr hilfreich
Dankeschön!
There should be a link to this in the Rev2 manual :) Thank you for this, it's really helpful.
Thanks a lot!
Really a superb video and introduction as to what this machine can do. Thanks so much.
Thank you, Shannon.
Great vid, and so many comments! By now (October 2019) I'm hoping to pick one up secondhand. On one level, subtractive synths are the same, but you show DSI put more settings, which actually do something sonically useful. This video has given me plenty of ideas to improve my synth programming skills. Up to now, I've been a Roland fanboy. This instrument sounds soulful and massive.
Thanks for watching!
The first treatise on the subject. Essential for the Rev2 community, and aspiring synthesists in general. ... In agreement with your opening title, I am grateful it was named Prophet. ... The use of an accompanying oscilloscope is instructive.
Thank you, dsetto! Much appreciated.
Just bought my first synth ever: this one. Your video helps a lot for more info on it, thanks!:-)
Thanks a lot, Bart! And congrats on your first synth. Enjoy the sonic journey!
Wonderful video thank you. Please, if you buy this synth, take your time. Don't fret over 'should I have bought an OB6 or Prophet 6. After a few weeks of ownership, it really begins to shine. I love mine.
Thank you for the thorough breakdown. Top notch 👌🏼
Thanks for watching!
Great video Paul, Thanks! :)
Thanks, I learned a lot about my new instrument through this video. Very detailed.
Thanks a lot, Steve!
Purchased 1 today, and found your video searching for tutorials. it's in my favorites now ;) Really beautiful patches at the end.
May i give you 1 tip? please put your voice at the same level as the synth, because sometimes the level differences to much when you listen on headphones.
Keep up the good work!
Desmond
Desmond Robberegt Thanks a lot, Desmond!
Amazing video. Thank you so very much!
Thanks a lot, Hageving!
Life saver! thank you for this video
This looks GREAT!
Excellent video! Thank you!
Thank you, cryptonite91!
Thank you for this video!
Thank you very helpful!!
Great video, I just bought one!
That last patch was just beautiful.
Wooden Penny Thanks a lot!
so many thanks! appreciate!
i am really tempted by this synth, i already hav the pro2 but this would make a good poly addition i guess.
RicardoDiLago this would be a great companion to the pro 2, will give you polly and some warm sounds , I had the pro 2 but went with the P12
the pan spread is pretty cool your playing in the beginning is bad ass i would love to be able to have one of these and make/record some trippy music with this some day it has the vibes ive been looking for from hearing you play.. this and a eventide h3000 would be super dope
excellent, thanks
Very thorough job. Sounds like my Oberheim Matrix with effects.
Chris Strobel Thank you, Chris!
I'm grateful you made this video thanks so much! The only bad thing about this Keyboard is the Manual and lack of support showing you how to use it and get the most out of its features. An Instructional Video and more
User friendly manual would go a hell of a long way if DSI did this right out the box. You're a Synth hero!
Thanks for your comment, Ameretsu! Is there any specific question you have about a function you don't see explained well in the manual?
There are also a couple of useful online resources when it comes to introductions to any kind of synthesis. Maybe you'll find some useful additonal information in the Synth Secret series by Sound on Sound. The according articles are all archived over here: web.archive.org/web/20160403115835/www.soundonsound.com/sos/allsynthsecrets.htm
Thank you Sir, You're a legend. Any tips on making Brass and strings on the Rev2?
You basically do the same on any synth: For brass sounds, you use saw waves, for string sounds you can either use saw waves or pulse waves and have the latter modulated by means of pulse width modulation ("shape mod" on the Rev2). For string sounds, you use the filter to control whether they sound bright or mellow and also make sure you have long attack times for the VCA envelope. For brass sounds, you wanna use the filter envelope for creating a punchy attack.
Here's Sound on Sound's article on creating brass sounds: web.archive.org/web/20160404103753/www.soundonsound.com:80/sos/may01/articles/synthsecrets.asp
And here's their article on creating string sounds: web.archive.org/web/20160405022335/www.soundonsound.com:80/sos/Mar03/articles/synthsecrets47.asp
The principles can be applied to all synths. And more important than the type of synth you use, are your ears.
Thank you Sir. You've been extremely helpful in learning this Keyboard. It used to frustrate me now I see how powerful it is and can be.
Great stuff, thanks!
Thank you, Paul!
Thank you.
THANKS A MILLION!!!!!
Thank you
the intro song is amazing!
Thank you, livefastdiefun90! All the audio examples have been created pretty much on the fly, though.
thank you!
Awesome video
Thank you, stilz!
Hi, thank you for this one! I have a question you might know the answer to: I want the LFO to control a parameter (lets say Cutoff for example). When I play multiple notes each note triggers the LFO separately. I want it be like a master LFO. I want the voices to be modulates simultaneously without a connection to the timing I play. What should I do?
Thanks for the comment, Choke! You could either set the LFO to sync, which will sync it to MIDI clock, the arpeggiator, or the sequencer (whether you actively use any of that or not). This will stop it from being free-running. You could also try to enable the key sync option, which will cause the LFO wave cycle to reset whenever you press a key (the wave cycle won't be reset if you press a key while other notes are held).
Love the thoroughness of your demonstration !!! My only wish was that you turned off the envelope filter lfo modulation while demonstrating the effects section, hard to hear the effects through the motion of the patch modulation. I'm going to sell my 08 and get this synth thanks again for your time and great video !
Thanks a lot, Rexymundo!
Using the audiomod feature for whatever reason can reduce the harshness of some patches as well. There doesn't seem to be an exact spot which does this but if roll it back and forth on a sound that sounds a bit harsh it can be reduced or eleminated with the audiomod feature.
Indeed. If you prefer to only use a little bit of AudioMod flavor, choosing the LP filter in 2-pole mode is one solution. The other option would be to keep the resonance down in 4-pole mode.
audiomod is a killer feature of REV2, along with all its latent power lacking from the VCO DSI synths.
thanks
What an incredibly tasty intro.
Stuart Dooley Thanks a lot!
@@PaulDither no problem man, keep doing what you're doing
Excellent stuff. Thanks very much :)
Thank you!
I'm looking to add another synth to my collection and at the moment I can't decide between this one and the Novation Peak.
I'd be interested to see more about the sequencer as there's not a lot of videos out there showing a detailed review of sequencing on the Rev2
Unfortunately, I had to send back the prototype, but if you have any specific questions with regard to the sequencer, I can try to answer them to the best of my abilities.
I've downloaded the user manual and I think I understand it now. The main thing I wanted was the ability to transpose a poly sequence on the fly but I believe that is possible by pressing a button?
Yes, that's only possible if you hold down the Rec button. If, however, you want instant transposability, you might still consider using the gated sequencer for that purpose. It operates with relative values, not absolute ones (as in: C4, E3, etc.) like the poly sequencer. You'd just have to choose the oscillators' frequencies as a modulation destination for one of the 4 gated sequencer tracks and assign the pattern via the according sequencer edit menu instead of recording it via the keyboard.
wow great video. Be aware that despite claims otherwise, the Rev2 is not fully bitimbral, not fully 'two synths in one'. The two layers can't respond independently to pitchbend ! , and I think one or two other controls like modwheel and aftertouch. Notes, and other CC's work independent though yeah. Who knows why they thought it was ok for pitchbend not to. And the worst part is DSI/Sequential not only neglected to tell us about this, they actually lied about in the manual. On p15-16 it repeatedly says the layers respond independently to MIDI controls. And after three years they are not going to fix it, or it's not even possible. Still a great sounding synth and all, just some issues with the company unrelated to how great the synths sound.
1:20:43 is one of the coolest synth sounds I have ever heard. Is that a built in patch, or something you programmed??
Thanks a lot, Taylor! I've programmed all the sounds I'm using in this video.
Hi Paul and thanks for this great video. Have you managed to find an effective workaround for the lack of global LFOs? E.g. how do you programme tremolo etc.?
Thanks for watching! For tremolos I would just use the LFOs as they are. When key sync is activated, the LFOs reset their phase each time you press a key. If you play accordingly, i.e. hit all keys at the same time, then the effect is that of a global LFO. And for monophonic sounds, the lack of a global LFO is a non-issue anyway.
thank you great video. would love it if you could compare 'sound' of the prophet 08 vs prophet rev. 2
Thank you, Marcus! Unfortunately, I can't do a comparison anymore, since the REV2 had to be send back and I no longer own a Prophet '08. There is, however, no sonic difference between the two. The REV2 adds some functions and sound shaping tools, but apart from the obvious enhancements like shape mod for all waveforms and the additional effects, the core sound is the same.
I know it's supposedly identical to the P08 but for some reason to my ears it sounds different, better. I never got on with the P08 but this is catching my ears. Maybe it's some of the added functionality, but it just sounds more pleasing to me, seems to have a bit more grit. Maybe my tastes for synths are evolving. Still does not have the girth of some of the other synths around, and I'm still not a fan of the 24 Curtis mode, but the 12DB sounds great. I may consider a module of this.
very good demo paul, I have a question....would it be possible to modify the master tune of the synthesizer? I would use it with non-tuned 440hz instruments
Leonardo Ami Thanks a lot, Leonardo! And sure, you can adjust the master tuning.
Gut gemacht und vielen Dank! I'm fighting the urge to buy one...mostly because I don't have the space. Yeah, I could get the module, but it's such a nicely built keyboard...
Dankeschön! And I should also add that I truly enjoyed your Abyss overview.
Gern geschehen. Du bist Deutscher aber du wohnst in Trumpland? Lol...na ja...hoffentlich ist das dir ok.
Nein, ich bin wieder in Deutschland, habe aber 7 Jahre in Nashville gelebt. Also ähnliche Situation wie bei Dir mit umgekehrten Vorzeichen.
Ich bin neidisch auf Dich. Eines Tages kehren wir zurück (meine Frau kommt aus Europa), aber bis dahin müssen wir den Trumpwahnsinn vertragen. Trink ein gutes Deutsches Bier für mich and enjoy those synthesizers...cheers!
I definitely will. Sag Bescheid, wenn ihr zurückkommt. Dann stelle ich ein paar Bier kalt. Cheers! ;-)
The best DSI!
this was awesome! thank you so much! super helpful and i finally feel like i have a much better understanding of this beast. quick question i've been trying to figure out. How do you chance voice allocation? for example there are some presets that seem to put two voices per key (i have the voice rev 2 model), so I can't play any chords more than four keys....is there any way to edit this? thank you!!!!
Thanks a lot for your comment! On the 8 voice model of the REV2 you have 4 voices per layer. This is a fixed value. If you don't want or need to play a layered program, you just have to deactivate the STACK A+B or SPLIT A|B button. Then you can play the full 8 voices again with only one part of the layer.
@@PaulDither that makes sense! that's kind of what i figured but wasn't sure....at least i can upgrade at some point! thanks again. this video was great and so helpful.
Hi Paul, great Overview.
is there a trick or workaround to get the "instant droning" effect that was possible on the old prophet 08 with "vca" pot? I think I'd miss it
Thank you, Alessandro! You mean the VCA Level pot? That parameter has been moved to the "Misc Parameters" menu. So it's still there, just not on the front panel.
Paul Dither great news! Thank you
hi paul great video , about the construction, do you think it's built well? compared to the p6, not the sound, only the construction
Leonardo Ami Yes, most definitely. The REV2 is sturdy and well assembled.
I just can't seem to choose between this and the Korg Prologue.. How should I decide? Cuz I love em both
This has a lot more modulation and features...the Prologue does have a unique sound though.
Question: the LFO’s are per voice. Most of the time, this is what I would want, but there are times where a global LFO that acts equally and in sync on all voices, is advantageous. Any chance this has been updated in firmware? Like modulating the cutoff, or sometimes a vibrato sounds better globally.
I'm not sure whether there's any chance for an according update, as this is the way the LFOs work on all DSI synths with the exception of the Prophet-6 and the OB-6.
You may find this thread from the official DSI forum useful for a workaround: forum.davesmithinstruments.com/index.php/topic,2127.msg23232.html#msg23232
Paul Dither Thank you. And many thanks for taking the time to make this video. Very informative.
Excellent overview and showcase, Paul. Really enjoyed the layered ambient arpeggiator sequence at end, beautiful.
Question... I heard you mention 13 mod slots + 4 LFOs per layer which can be assigned to 53 destinations.... how does this compare to the Prophet 12's mod matrix? Can it also do same or more per layer? Could you do a similar ambient sequence per layer as you did here? Thanks for your insights!
Thanks a lot, synth4ever! Likewise, I enjoyed the recent DSI HQ tour you did.
As for the Prophet 12's mod matrix: It provides 4 LFOs, 8 fixed source modulation paths, and 16 freely assignable modulation slots per layer that can be assigned to 99 modulation destinations. So it's quite a bit more extensive in that regard. I can, however, not do a direct comparison or create something similar on a Prophet 12, as I don't own one, only a Pro 2 and a Prophet-6 currently.
Thanks for the response. Yea, I was curious if P12 can actually do 2 separate sequencer/arp lines (layer A/B) as you did here on the REV2 with that ambient jam... I don't have a P12 so can't comment but it would be fantastic if it were possible. Maybe someone's already asked this question on the web somewhere... glad you enjoyed the DSI tour, btw. :)
The Prophet 12 doesn't have a sequencer, only an advanced arpeggiator per layer that allows for some semi-sequencer settings like adding rests and defining up to 32 notes per pattern. Its functionality is fully explained in the Prophet 12 manual addendum that you'll find on the DSI site, or rather on the dedicated Prophet 12 support site. Two arpeggiators in tandem can still produce complex rhythms if you choose different clock divide or tempo settings per layer that will cause rhythmic offsets.
Somebody help me decide (with a decent reason) PLEASE
Prophet Rev 2 or Prophet 6
Thank you Paul! This video was very helpful to me. I think the Rev2 has a good balance of complexity versus ease of use, but it is complex enough to warrant a careful viewing of your video to get a better understanding of the instrument's capabilities.
Thanks for your comment, Scott! And I agree, the REV2 is laid out well enough to be absolutely easy to use in case one prefers instant gratification, but it also provides the complexitiy that allows you to dig deeper or go bonkers with the available modulation paths.
My first polysynth was a used Prophet 600. I sold it because I had reached the limits of what it was capable of in terms of sound design, and I became bored with it. That is certainly not the case with the Rev2! The Rev2 is right at the limit of complexity that I'm comfortable learning and using. Then at the other extreme is my Yamaha Montage, which is so complex that I actually become discouraged that I will never understand it well enough to get the most out of it!
I'm sure, though, that both the REV2 and the Montage make a nice couple. You will definitely be able to cover a lot of ground with them.
I noticed you have a Volca keys. What was your reason for getting it when you have all those other great synths? Is it worth checking into?
It's actually a Volca Beats. I just like its kind of lo-fi sound and think it has a great bass drum. It was originally part of a Korg quartet consisting of a Monotron, a Monotribe, and an MS-20 mini on top of it.
An extremely good overview, only quibble is a very soft voice competing with the sound here and there made it difficult to make out what he was saying, however this is a minor point and did not detract from the useful ness of the video.
At 1.29.30 is that the rev 2 reverb or external? Fantastic video by the way, thank you
Thanks a lot! No external FX was used on the patches.
If you look closely in the oscillator section his board says square. My Rev2 board says "Pulse" in that location, hmmm. Perhaps he had an earlier model than mine.
I should add, great video.
Thank you, Craig. This was indeed a prototype I had for sound design purposes.
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So I just ordered one of these thingamajigs and am waiting on its arrival and came here to get more of a feel of how to use it...being somewhat new to analog synths (and virtual analog synths), something i learned from this vid is that it is a good idea to have some sort of methodical way of exploring the synth so that you learn all the sections one by one. It may seem elementary to the veteran, but I have mostly learned from books, vids, and unstructured exploration on synths so far. Thanks!...PS let me know when you get to 665 subscribers and i will be #666.
I have just bought a Rev2, and altough i like it´s sound, from some demos i get the impression that the 08 sounds somehow better. Since you know both synths in depth, would you say there is a noticebale difference in sound between the two? I mean the raw, basic sound of the oscillators and filter, not talking about the effects of course.
I didn't have the opportunity to compare both side by side but I played and programmed a Prophet '08 long enough. After playing the Rev2 for the first time I didn't spot any noticeable difference at all. It was rather like, "ah it's that sound again." Add-on effects aside, you also get a much better workflow and more modulation options like the shape mod parameter. The only thing that's easier to handle on a Prophet '08 is the gated sequencer due to the two rows of secondary function knobs that allow you to modify modulation amounts on the fly per gated sequencer track. That's about the only advantage of the Prophet '08 I can think of. Regarding everything else, the Rev2 is really the better alternative. So I'd say you made the right choice.
@@PaulDither Ok thanks! I´ve had some time now to get more familiar with the synth and i have to say it´s an amazing instrument.
kann man die paches vom rev2 auch für den prophet 08 benutzen?
Nein, der Import funktioniert nur in eine Richtung, da der Rev2 über weitaus mehr Parameterdaten verfügt, die der Prophet '08 nicht erkennen würde.
Hi Paul. Thanks for the detailed overview! I am willing to buy a Rev 2 but there is one think I am wondering about the Poly Sequencer and maybe you can help me. Is it possible to write down a sequence on the fly? I mean like: set a clock tempo, press play, press record and then play the keyboard to create the desired sequence? And then I guess it would start playing back that sequence as a loop in a continuous way, similar to a Korg Minilogue sequencer? That would be a more playable approach to create sequences live or during a jam session instead of having to writing them down using the knobs, which looks a bit annoying. Thank you!
Thanks for your comment! I'm not familiar with the Minilogue sequencer, but you are able to record a sequence on the fly on the REV2, just like you described it, when you use the POLY as opposed to the GATED sequencer mode.
Yes
Is it possible to load Tetr4 sounds into the rev 2?
Yes, the Tetra programs can be loaded to the Rev2 if they are dumped in Prophet '08 format.
Love it but I think I got a lemon. My screen keeps going black and then coming back on.
Other times notes will repeat but the knobs and buttons do not respond. (It freezes.)
Been in touch with Sequential Support. Hope they can find a fix or I'm returning it.
Get your problem fixed?
@@stephenroldan5107 No. I returned it to the retailer. Ordered a replacement. It had the same problems!
So after I replaced that one, I bought an ASM Hydrasynth desktop.
Thanks for asking.
Hallo, da der Prophet-6 zum Vergleich zur Verfügung steht: abgesehen von den Modulationsmöglichkeiten - spielt der REV2 betreffend der Klangqualität (der Oszillatoren, Filter etc.) nun in der gleichen Liga wie der Prophet-6, oder hat dieser nun kräftig Konkurrenz bekommen..? Vielen Dank
Einen direkten Vergleich zwischen dem Prophet Rev2 und dem Prophet-6 kann ich leider nicht mehr aufnehmen, da der Prophet Rev2 mittlerweile wieder in San Francisco gelandet ist.
Ich habe vor etwa 2 Jahren meinen Prophet ’08 dem Prophet-6 geopfert. Das mag jetzt erstmal nach einer sehr eindeutigen Präferenz klingen. Ich hätte das aber nicht gemacht, wenn es den Pro 2 nicht gäbe. Die Zusammenstellung hat bei mir gewissermaßen arbeitsteilige Gründe: Der Pro 2 ist die hybride Modulationsmaschine, der Prophet-6 der Kontrapunkt dazu, insofern er ein recht einfach aufgebauter Synthesizer ist. Damit ist ein wesentlicher Unterschied zum Prophet Rev2 angesprochen. Denn Vieles von dem, was der Prophet Rev2 an Modulationsmöglichkeiten bietet, lässt sich mit dem Prophet-6 in dieser Form nicht ansatzweise umsetzen, ganz abgesehen von den Split- und Layer-Optionen sowie der Stimmenanzahl. Das Einzige, was der Prophet Rev2 auf dem Gebiet Modulationen nicht bietet, ist die Möglichkeit, unmittelbar einen Oszillator als Modulationsquelle einzusetzen. Es gibt die sog. AudioMod, bei der das Signal des ersten Oszillators die Filterfrequenz moduliert, aber keine FM-Option zwischen den Oszillatoren. Da muss man sich dann mit den schnellen LFOs behelfen.
Zum Klang: Das ist sehr subjektiv. Grundsätzlich klingt der Prophet Rev2 genauso wie der Prophet ’08. Die einzig auffälligen neuen klanglichen Merkmale werden durch die Effekte, den Sub-Oszillator und die sog. Shape Mod bestimmt. Die Oszillatoren und das Tiefpassfilter klingen nicht so wie beim Prophet-6. Da bestehen nach wie vor dieselben Unterschiede wie zu Zeiten des Prophet ’08. Insofern hat diesbezüglich keine "Aufholjagd" stattgefunden. Ich persönlich finde die Oszillatoren des Prophet-6 etwas knackiger und auch im Bass überzeugender, zumindest wenn man sie mit aktuellen Moogs vergleicht. Das Tiefpassfilter des Prophet-6 empfinde ich - zumindest, wenn man es mit dem Tiefpassfilter des Prophet Rev2 im 4-poligen Modus vergleicht - als etwas musikalischer. Es ist ja beim Prophet-6 kein Curtis-Filter, sondern eine Annäherung an die SSM-Filter, die für die ersten beiden Serien des Prophet-5 verwendet wurden. Diese Gegenüberstellung hat aber nicht unbedingt etwas mit "besser" oder "schlechter" zu tun. Letztlich geht es ja immer darum, ob einem bei einem Synthesizer die Balance zwischen Sound und Features überzeugt und wo da im Einzelnen die persönlichen Prioritäten liegen. Der Prophet Rev2 ist, was den Sound und die Features angeht, sehr gut aufgestellt. Wenn man mit seinem Grundklang einverstanden ist, lässt sich damit sehr lange und vor allem flexibel arbeiten. Ansonsten würde mein Rat nach dieser langen Rede lauten, beide - wenn es jetzt speziell um den Prophet-6 und Prophet Rev2 geht - einfach mal im Laden anzuspielen, um herauszufinden, in welche Richtung es einen eher zieht. Ich hoffe, das hilft weiter.
Und der persönliche Eindruck..?
Wenn es allein um den Klang geht, würde ich perönlich den Prophet-6 vorziehen. Mir ist aber auch klar, dass der Prophet-6 sicher nicht die pragmatischste Wahl darstellt, vor allem wenn man sich die Features des Prophet Rev2 vergegenwärtigt.
Sehe ich auch so.. auf jeden Fall stimmt das Gesamtpaket beim Rev2 - solide hardware & Klangerzeugung inkl. Effekten. Das macht ihn auch im Vergleich zum Prophet-6 sehr interessant..
I own the Rev2 8voices. I can't figure out how to use the 8 voices, and i'm stuck with 4. Disabling the layer B doesn't seem to "free" 4 more voices. The only solution I found is to split the keyboard and have the same setting on layer A and layer B. Anyone can help ? It would be much appreciated.
Buy 16 voices😅
A firmware update got it unlocked ;)@@Wang_jyuan
"Pot mode". Which setting do you prefer Mr. Paul?
I personally prefer jump mode.
Paul, thank you!
Intro song is awesome! Has it a name?
Thanks! The piece in the beginning has no name. It was just improvised on the spot.
Are the knobs 'endless encoders'' or are they the "pot' version?
It's a mix of endless rotary encoders and potentiometers. The encoders have no position indicator, the potentiometers have a position indicator and also a finite travel range from left to right.
pots mostly, with a few encoders, they ALL feel terrific to use. VERY solid.
hi , danke für die vorstellung. kannst du mir sagen wie viele voices im chord mode unison mode polyphon erklingen ?
ich konnte bisher nur per google über 4 voices only herausfinden.
Im Chord Mode kann man pro Layer alle verfügbaren Stimmen nutzen - also 8 oder 16, je nachdem, welche Version man besitzt.
danke für die antwort, vielleicht kannst du einmal hier drüber schauen und deine meinung drüber sagen :-)
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Ah okay, der Verwirrungsfall. Ja, ich habe oben das geschrieben, worauf die Anleitung schließen lässt, aber nicht bedacht, dass der Chord Mode standardmäßig auf nur 4 Stimmen beschränkt ist. Ich besitze keinen Rev2, hatte nur den Prototypen da, daher hatte ich das völlig vergessen.
okay ich danke dir
Das hat man wahrscheinlich aus dem Grund so gelöst, um die Stimmenanzahl pro Unisono-Akkord je Layer und Rev2-Variante (8- oder 16-stimmig) auf einen gemeinsamen Nenner zu bringen. Die höchste Stimmenanzahl auf dem 8-stimmigen Rev2 beträgt 4, wenn beide Layer aktiviert sind. Danach wird man sich ausgerichtet haben, damit Programme, die einen Unisono-Akkord nutzen in allen Varianten gleich sind, d.h. unabhängig von der Gesamtstimmenanzahl und der Tatsache, ob man beide Layer nutzt oder nicht.