New Guard I Invented (The Vice)
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- This is a new guard position I have been developing over the last year, I call it The Vice. It is a position I stumbled across while trying an old school lasso inverted triangle attack, I stumbled across this control that locks your opponents hand under your leg allowing you to force a triangle/armbar and many other attacks ( Crab Ride, Berimbolo, Ankle Lock, Wrist Lock, Guard Passes, Crucifix, Omoplata) also it is very difficult to get out of. In addition it also is very hard to escape by falling back to your guard which gives the added benefit of making it off set the constant sweep battle that happens in competition. I have been testing it on many high level competitors coming through the gym the last year and it has been working great so far. I’m going to be getting back to competition soon and hope to get some great footage with me and my students in competition using it. I’m also excited to see the positions you all create since it’s a new position it will be fast evolving. Let me know if you have any questions or thoughts and please try to use it in class your self and post videos of it and tag @JonThomasBJJ #TheViceGuard #TheVice
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Thank you for sharing your precious knowledge with us. You are the best instructor in the world. Also, I think showing sparring footage is a nice touch and should be a must-have in the instructional business from now on.
I started trying this tonight on my white and blue belts....worked great! Love it! Thanks so much for sharing!
Sick!!! I love how you allowed your open mind and creativity work to create this position.
Interlacing the sparring footage was spot on. Thank you!
Phred Bookley Thanks buddy I’m definitely going to be doing that more in the future!
I was just about to say that, I love the fact he has active rolling and nailing the technique while showing how it’s done, very few people do this
Oh my god. Last one was my "worst casé scenario" while watching everything! Excited to try!
Love the theory behind this! Cant wait to test it out - thanks for sharing!
This is great! I'm going to start playing around with this! Thanks, JT!
Bro this guard looks kick ass, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us, for sure I will train this one! Osss
Legend !! thank you jon so much :DDD
01:15 lasso cross sleeve to cross double sleeve
01:33 The Vice guard entry
02:50 vice guard to grab back
03:48 step on ground and drive forward
04:05 op fall back, mount to triangle
05:20 to pass
05:53 review
06:45 cross guard to vice guard
07:09 cross double sleeve to triangle
07:48 cross sleeve + collar
Sweet new tech! Thanks for sharing Jon
Looks so effective! Definitely going to explore this as well
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, u are a genius !!! Love your videos since long time ago!!
Man, since I’ve been following you. I have learned so many valuable techniques and ideas. Fortunately, I’ve been able to implement these Into my bjj game right away. Many of these techniques and various self defense moves have literally changed my entire bjj game! BgDefinitley for the Better!!!!)
Love it! Thanks for sharing!
Your teaching style/ability is masterful.
I tried this and it worked right off first try. There really is something here for sure! I was interested since I love lasso guard. I just have to work my entry a bit on it, but once you're there its about unstoppable!
I watched this video 30 times. And now I’m reporting this as porn!! Need to keep this a secret!!
Truckee Tahoe Triathlon ahahahaha
Definitely porn! Was gonna send it to a few friends at my gym but I think I'll wait a few weeks. I'll try it out on them first!
This needs to be taken down immediate after I save it to my hard drive.
Truckee Tahoe Triathlon 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I’ll do the same , that’s awesome man thanks for sharing! Can’t wait to use it in open mat tomorrow
Looks awesome! Can't wait to try this out, thank you for sharing :)
lillan Thanks excited to hear how things go for you guys I’ll put another video out soon too on defending the far Underhook which will be first defense people start trying
Tried this out in positional sparring with a couple friends yesterday....pretty useful! Today I'm going to try it on people who aren't expecting it :)
DEF trying this one out the next chance I get. Looks awesome!
Awesome stuff! Will definitely share this video with my teammates! Oss
Great variation! Thank you 🙏
Wow .. I can pay for this !!! I am really impatient to see other content :) Keep it up and thanks for sharing !!! oss
Oooh, I like the triangle setup so much on this so much. Sneaky guard like this are so fun when you pull them off just right. Definitely going to practice this one and see what I can do with it.
Nice! This will probably suit my game!
Looks pretty good! I like to go that triangle from lasso as well. So I'll definitely try this!
So sweet. I've been experiencing a lot with cross guard lately so I think I will try this one too!
Awesome, will try this for sure
This is fantastic! Thanks for sharing!
No problem hope you have fun with the position.
I don't think I've ever been this excited to try out a technique. I see this becoming immediately applicable to my game. Brilliant!
thingamarob hey buddy happy to hear it!! It works great first problems you might have is someone trying to Underhook far leg but it’s very counterable I’ll try to make a video on that soon as well.
@@JonThomasBJJ Yes, please do. I struggle with people controlling the non-DLR leg in general, so that would be great.
just worked it tonight of de la Riva, got the sweep to back control. excellent.
Omg❤️ This is a Perfect entry into the Tarikoplata.
Peter Llacuna man it combines so good with the tarikoplata
pretty amazing content, sir!!! I am surely giving it a try!!
The fact that you actually are sharing this and potentially alerting your opponents to it beforehand all for our benefit really really says a lot about you, man. Thank you.
Awesome man! So cool!!!
I tried this in class and got heel hooked. My opponent fell back before I could bump him forward just like you mentioned. Seems effective so I’m going to keep trying it.
I'm going to try this for sure!
This is why my guard passing sux!! Too many AWSM guards to learn and play with!! 😂thx for sharing
Love it! Well done.
Watching it again, do you think one could shoulder roll out of it?
Nice, i will try tomorow! Thx Man! Regards from Brazil!
This is really really interesting. Thanks for this. Definitely another attack to try from the lasso/spider game
mixxeerr Such a great combo you mix in with a lasso spider and de la riva game
great guard, love the name too!
so dope. gonna play with this
this looks so good im definitely gonna try, also make more videos on it! especially if they will be long and detailed
Yes sir, let's explore this novelty, looks pretty awesome!!! Let's vice in nice :-)
Freaking Awesome man Nice!
Damn, for a second I thought you leaked the dangerous part of the upside down spider kill technique that was missing on the lapel encyclopedia! :D Anyway... really cool, will try on next open mat!
This is so fire!!!
Similar to worm guard. Nice tip on how to avoid ashi garami after getting the sweep
Awesome stuff!
Awesome!!! It would be so cool if you made narrated sparring videos. I think this is the first time I've seen rolling footage with you. Badass
excellente partenaire pour présenter le vice
:) you guys doing good work ...thumbs up
Nice, I'll give it a try tonight
Love it
Very cool
Testing it tomorrow 👍🏼
I’ve been playing with this and I’ve been taking the “reverse lassoed” foot under the leg for a sweep where I come up into mounted triangle. If they base out to stop the sweep I triangle from there, they base out and roll under I end up in another mounted triangle. I like to hide the foot to stop them controlling that leg and undoing my lasso to the pass.
I’ve been playing with this, and tonight I hit modified scissor sweep, from kicking them in the armpit- then into a triangle from there.
Yo, please release more roll footage, this was amazing
in before "i'm short guy with stompy legs. how can I make it work..."
nice, gona have to give it a try
I'm giving this a try today.
Hey Jon i really like your videos and i think you are a great teacher. I watched almost all your videos, but i couldn't find a mount escape. I would really appreciate if you would do one. Keep the good work :)
Wow. That’s pretty smart. My challenge will be getting the leg over while standing after I get the arm.
Massive 👌🤓
Sweet guard. Will definitely try it out. Very similar to Keenans turbo guard but looks easier to set up
Very Efficient 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🔥🔥
I've been playing with this. this cross grip hidden under your leg is very hard to break. I was catching a lot of mounts after sweeping to the left side when they can not post. This is a cool position.
Eight years in and it never ends 😂. Infinite guards ftw
Cool
Ruthless!
Thank you for sharing, very interesting guard position that I plan to experiment with myself. One question about it: How would you react if the person in the guard places both arms inside (to shut down the triangle)?
Very interesting
Hey Jon, thanks for sharing this new guard. I have tried it several times and I manage to get into the position but as I try to kick for the hand post, my opponent manages to resist and leg drag me to the other side. Just being aware that didn't help much and I keep embarrassing myself.
Can you show how to avoid this?
JonThomasBJJ So, I had some success with it on my first trial class. Had a couple people manage to step over the leg, and end up in 1/2 guard. I have some ideas, but was wondering if you have some thoughts.
I like the last dudes name audible exasperation. Lol
thats very good
Hey man, if you don't mind me asking. Why did you get shoulder surgery? I have problems with my shoulders as well, have probably dislocated my left shoulder about 8 times. It always pops out, usually during scrambles. Only way to fix it is surgery. I don't want to be off the mats though for that long. Usually when I do dislocate it, it is better within a couple weeks. Scar tissue around the socket just seems to heal faster now since I have dislocated it so much. Have been lifting recently to try and strengthen the muscles around it, it has seemed to help a bit. If you did get surgery for dislocating it, you think it is worth it? How long were you off the mats for? Thanks in advance brother, oss!
Hey Jon!
Really, really great stuff!
I tried it out in training today and it worked really good considering it's the first time I ever did it.
So there a few questions I have:
1. This has been asked many times and you already said you are going to make a video, but the main thing that happened was people underhooking the vice leg and going for a double under. So what do?
2. Another thing was that I managed to weave the leg over the arm, but they caught it on the way to the body and shoved it down between their knees, trapping it. So kind of like the beginning of a pressure pass from their point of view. Any tips to avoid this or something I can productively do from there?
3. Entries - please give me more! Specifically, it seemed to me that I needed to create a situation where I had the cross grip and they had no grips in order to weave the leg without giving a free pass. Even them having a sleeve on my other arm seemed to give me some trouble - what do you think is the minimum requirement in order to start entering (weaving the leg) without giving up position?
Thank you very much, I'm excited to keep working on this!
Max Dieckmann hey buddy great questions is gonna do a video soon on dealing with the Underhook as well as more involved details on the set up. The underhook is definitely a solvable problem and the issue of the leg getting trapped is also pretty easy to prevent
@@JonThomasBJJ Awesome, looking forward to it!
My instructor has been teaching me this guard for years.
If that were the case how come your instructor and his students haven't used it in competition? There would be footage right 🤔
@@MoreSwoleTheyKnow This is honestly basically the same thing and if you ever played around with De la Riva you would have hit this. ruclips.net/video/_0gNeXv-MNM/видео.html
thom s that isn’t at all the same thing. Look at jons grips.
@@bryancopeland272 Haha. Okay brother.
MoreSwole ruclips.net/video/eEpsVgqLd6c/видео.html
Emojis notwithstanding, this is the most recent video he has created on the guard.
Jon: "I'm getting back out in March"
Covid: 😈
What if he accepts the grip and dives/ pumels his free arm for double under perhaps 2 on 1 on that gripping arm?
Staying low trying to climb that arm?
I'm sure you have an answer.
If you have the right arm under under your leg as often shown in the video, how difficult is it for the opponent to swim his/her left arm back around the right leg?
I reckon there is one way to find out.
I like this concept, but what do you do about someone sitting for a straight ankle lock? Good stuff👍
What are those posters on the wall in the academy?
I learned this from my instructor over a year ago. He has been teaching it for years.
I DIG!
Please make a tutorial on your guard. Tonight I will try to use what I understand in your video ... OSSSS.
Could you not underhook the leg with your free arm, and go into a stack pass? Edit: I saw you mentioned addressing this in another video. Looking forward to watching!
I tried it in today’s open mat. After I weaved my leg through to my opponent’s armpit, he circled his arm around and placed his arm underneath my leg. Then he did stack pass on me. How do you avoid your opponent putting his/her arm under your leg? Thank you.
flowerjj
Not sure if Jon will comment or not, but from what I see, he doesn’t let go or sleeve control at any point, I think as you maintain the grip and post the right foot on hip it would prevent the stack.
But I could be wrong.
I think you gotta bump or sweep right away to force them to post or keep them off balance. Or pull on the the collar with the left hand to keep the posture broken. All while keeping that shin tight to the armpit. That way, even if they try to circle out, their side would just ride the shin until they hit your foot hook. It shouldn’t get that far if you break posture with the collar pull, bump, or sweep
I'm short guy with stompy legs, how can I make it work?
I think you can fit the baratoplata in that position. Especially when he defends with the underhook
Macarrão this is AWESOME!!!
Victor Genovesi Hey Victor!!! Miss you buddy how have you been! Happy you like the position it’s really fun to work with I have a lot more series off of it as well. How’s training and everything would be fun to have you up to Gothenburg for a visit.
Any nogi version?
The Vice Guard looks legit! If only you could use these powers for good! #BjjGenius
From the position at 2:15: So what happens when she swims her left arm under you right leg, circles around, and drops heavy into a kind of side-control position on your left side with your right arm trapped between your legs and her smashing hard on you? While you still have her lapel, it looks like there's enough slack so that she's not going to be choked and your guard has basically been nullified? I need to make the disclaimer here that my jiu jitsu skills are by no means anything to brag about, just wondering how you deal with that?
@jonthomasbjj are you still using the Vice guard?
What stops her swimming her left arm under your right leg (e.g. at 3:45)? She can then drop her base, grip fight and neutralize the guard from a sort-of double under position. There might even be a smash pass available from there if she controls your right leg and drives to her right.
Tim O'Leary In the video there is actually video of my opponent trying that and I have a back take set up, also I can hook the far arm with my left leg when they dig for it, it’s in the sparring video as well. I would urge you to play with the position a bit to feel it out. Sometimes it’s hard to get a feel things just by looking. But that is a legit counter to try but there is a lot of re counters for it and so far it has been working great for me
Ok, I guess you can can use your lapel grip to lift your hips and push your right knee/leg to her chest. Or unbalance to force a post. I'll play with it. Thanks.
The best part about this is you didn't just show it's use on lower belts but actually added clips against other black belts. Respect. Will try.