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  • Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
  • ‪@FaridResponds‬ responded to a live stream me, ‪@apologeticsroadshow‬ and ‪@JaiAndDoC‬ did where we met his challenge to give a single early Muslim scholar who believed the Torah/Injeel was preserved.
    After some interesting attempts to not acknowledge the challenge was meet - Farid reasserts his claim that the early Muslims believed the Torah/Injeel wasn't preserved.
    Farid seems to think the onus is on us to provide quotations in order to demonstrate they believed the Torah/Injeel is preserved.
    In fact, it's very much the opposite - early Muslims like Ibn Isaq, Mutaqil Ibn Sulayman, Ibn Qutaybar and al-Yaqubi made clear they believed the Christians and Jews altered the words of their scriptures through interpretation and localized altered copies, but never mention the idea that the Torah/Injeel have been universally textually falsified. The onus in on Farid to show they believed that.
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Комментарии • 332

  • @DanielApologetics
    @DanielApologetics Месяц назад +63

    But Chris, bro... *"It's a metaphysical matter..."*

    • @1968gadgetyo
      @1968gadgetyo Месяц назад +6

      Not Farid. That should be Jake.

    • @maxirice3554
      @maxirice3554 Месяц назад +3

      Metaphorical Allah 😂, and his Metaphorical shin .

  • @mo_51_married_aisha_6
    @mo_51_married_aisha_6 Месяц назад +43

    This Farid?😳😳😳😳
    "How is it child raip if the parents approve?"

  • @TheLegend2000AD
    @TheLegend2000AD Месяц назад +33

    Alonzo Harris believes in 99 gods

    • @liza_k9774
      @liza_k9774 Месяц назад

      Muslims*

    • @timmer710
      @timmer710 Месяц назад

      ​@@liza_k9774They are called muhammadans.

  • @mo_51_married_aisha_6
    @mo_51_married_aisha_6 Месяц назад +35

    This Farid?😳😳😳😳
    "The reason nobody saw the moon splitting is it happened at night when people were asleep."

    • @northstar1690
      @northstar1690 Месяц назад

      1 Corinthians 7 36, apparently your paul allowed child marriages.

    • @1968gadgetyo
      @1968gadgetyo Месяц назад +1

      ​@@northstar1690😅😅😅Urrr...No. Paul said its OK for a horny man to get married . ANNNND. A VIRGIN is not CHILD BRIDE. Only someone with gutter mindset reads the bible like a sex book.

    • @solascriptura1536
      @solascriptura1536 Месяц назад

      @@northstar1690 This weak argument again...apparently seems to imply that you are not sure of what you are saying.
      But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. 1 Corinthians 7:36
      1. The word IF proves that it is not allowed, and that the following sentence is going to provide a prescription should the incident occur in order to protect the virgin (not child)
      2. "But if any man think that he BEHAVETH himself uncomely toward his virgin"...Jews betrothed their children to other families so that when the two grow up then they can marry. If the man things he behaved in an unjust manner (not sleeping with her because she is still called a VIRGIN), then either they can call it off and it won't be a sin.
      3. "If she pass the flower of her age" proves she is still a virgin BEFORE menstruating and thus cannot be married at this age.
      Unfortunately for you Allah has no such knowledge of Jewish customs, all he can do is to lie against them and have his followers like you make up stories which a lot of id10Ts parrot all over the internet like yourself.

    • @jjhoffy
      @jjhoffy Месяц назад +14

      @@northstar1690 I read the passage and the ones before and after, I can't find anything about it allowing child marriages?

    • @solascriptura1536
      @solascriptura1536 Месяц назад

      @@northstar1690 This weak argument again...apparently seems to imply that you are not sure of what you are saying.
      But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. 1 Corinthians 7:36
      1. The word IF proves that it is not allowed, and that the following sentence is going to provide a prescription should the incident occur in order to protect the virgin (not child)
      2. "But if any man think that he BEHAVETH himself uncomely toward his virgin"...Jews betrothed their children to other families so that when the two grow up then they can marry. If the man things he behaved in an unjust manner (not sleeping with her because she is still called a VIRGIN), then either they can call it off and it won't be a sin.
      3. "If she pass the flower of her age" proves she is still a virgin BEFORE menstruating and thus cannot be married at this age.
      Unfortunately for you Allah has no such knowledge of Jewish customs, all he can do is to lie against them and have his followers like you make up stories which a lot of id10Ts parrot all over the internet like yourself.

  • @Ex-MuslimTestimonies
    @Ex-MuslimTestimonies Месяц назад +30

    Debate Chris vs Farid ?
    👇

    • @mo_51_married_aisha_6
      @mo_51_married_aisha_6 Месяц назад +12

      Considering how Farid's only public debate went, it's easy to understand why Farid won't call. 🏃💨

    • @EHMD11111
      @EHMD11111 Месяц назад

      @@mo_51_married_aisha_6 Who/when did he debate? I did not know about this.

    • @mo_51_married_aisha_6
      @mo_51_married_aisha_6 Месяц назад +1

      @EHMD11111 I actually have it saved in "Farid exposed." He debated a shia. He actually had to apologize and walk away, he was noticeably embarrassed.

  • @exmuslimAlonzoHarris
    @exmuslimAlonzoHarris Месяц назад +42

    The great shakes of islam:
    1. muhummud hijab - "golden shower boy" shake
    2. ali dawah - "marry my 9 year old daughter" shake
    3. mansewer - shake waffler
    4. hashim - "naked does not mean naked" shake
    5. siraaj - table cloth shake
    6. hamza - "Jesus is not my Messiah" shake
    7. yasir qadi - "holes in the narrative" shake
    8. zakir naik - "those who eat pig behave like pig" shake
    9. farida - "moon miracle eyewitnesses were asleep at night" shake
    10. Fat shake at speakers corner - milkshake
    11. uthman - shake footnote

    • @ThePrimusCrusader
      @ThePrimusCrusader Месяц назад +7

      You forgot Muslim "Delete entire Stream debating Godlogic" Lantern Shake

    • @kots2121
      @kots2121 Месяц назад +6

      Uthman= multiple messiah & Ketchup Boy shake

    • @marmoura11223
      @marmoura11223 Месяц назад

      Additional nr 11. Stealing best friends' wives shake, ibn stabbing ketchup shake, oh my bad shake. He has more names then his el lah 😂😂😂

    • @morghe321
      @morghe321 Месяц назад +3

      That's brilliant.

    • @scottiecurrie7927
      @scottiecurrie7927 Месяц назад +2

      ​@@kots2121 Don't forget the nickname Fibbin Footnote

  • @Mary-lx3zs
    @Mary-lx3zs Месяц назад +19

    THERE ARE OVER 30 DIFFERENT KORANS

    • @techwood1233
      @techwood1233 28 дней назад +2

      @@Mary-lx3zs I think they're up to 37 at the moment with thousands of variants.

  • @solascriptura1536
    @solascriptura1536 Месяц назад +15

    Taking Farid seriously is the same as accepting that a 2 year old can write a paper on Quantum Physics and Interstellar Travel. I just have a question for Muslims though...if the Torah and Injeel at the time of Muhammad was preserved, which genius was able to take ALL those materials from Muslims and then corrupt them all over the world?

    • @ImCarolB
      @ImCarolB Месяц назад +5

      Well, Muhammad/Allah wrote a brilliant paper on quantum physics and interstellar travel that is accepted by at least a billion people today.

    • @solascriptura1536
      @solascriptura1536 Месяц назад +6

      @@ImCarolB Oh yeah...the brilliant paper written by a 2 day old deity

    • @ImCarolB
      @ImCarolB Месяц назад +4

      ​@@solascriptura1536 How can we argue with the earth being made before the stars or meteors being made to shoot at eavesdropping jinn?💫

  • @exmuslimAlonzoHarris
    @exmuslimAlonzoHarris Месяц назад +18

    When talking to an abdul:
    Q. How many qurans?
    A. One quran
    Q. Is hafs quran a quran?
    A. Yes
    Q. Is warsh quran a quran?
    A. Yes
    Q. Is doori quran a quran?
    A. Yes
    Q. How many qurans?
    A. One quran
    Q. Are all qurans around the world same?
    A. Yes
    Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants?
    A. Yes
    Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter?
    A. Yes
    Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"?
    A. They are different accents
    Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite?
    A. 7
    Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy?
    A. 6
    Q. How many ahrufs today?
    A. 7
    Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite?
    A. None
    Q. How many qiraats today?
    A. 10, 15, 20, 50
    Q. Is Bible preserved?
    A. No
    Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible?
    A. Yes
    Q. Did muhamad marry a child?
    A. No
    Q. How old was aisha?
    A. 6

    • @1968gadgetyo
      @1968gadgetyo Месяц назад +1

      You pusillanimous islamphobe for telling the world the truth!😂😂

    • @pockoy6
      @pockoy6 Месяц назад +1

      You just waffled average lies which have been debunked thousands of times.

    • @ThePrimusCrusader
      @ThePrimusCrusader Месяц назад +4

      @@pockoy6 What's the lie? There's more than one Quran. Fact. Aisha was 6. Did Muhammed marry a child? Yes? Where is the lie?

    • @pockoy6
      @pockoy6 Месяц назад +1

      @@ThePrimusCrusader There are different dialects of Quran, but only 1 manuscript. The issue of Aisha (RA) was only recently brought as an argument, if it was so bad/unethical then why has no one criticised it for more than 1300 years and only came up in the 20th century?

    • @ThePrimusCrusader
      @ThePrimusCrusader Месяц назад +4

      @@pockoy6 It's not dialects. There are literally different words in different Qurans. Like Owner/King and Fought and "K1ll." Even Lot telling his wife to say behind and different Qurans saying to come with them. These totally change the context. It's not "dialects."
      Dialects is the new excuse after you people found out there were multiple Qurans with different words.
      How can there be different dialects if multiple recitations that were different existed in the same tribe in a small radius in the region of people that spoke the exact same language? Dialects doesn't work. Also, why would Uthman burn the ones he didn't agree with if they were the same Quran?
      And on the issue of Aisha, no one thought slavery was bad back then and realized it was wrong now.
      You going to really use this argument on that notion alone?
      We learned that Marriage and consummation with a minor at a young age does serious physical and psychological damage to a minor.
      An all knowing Allah would know this in the future and condemn it right then and there.

  • @Adam_without_Eve
    @Adam_without_Eve Месяц назад +9

    Chris you have a great gift. A great gift for a great man. Your preparation, knowledge and concise explanation presented in your posts are great. I hope in the future you can debate more, because with your calm demeanour will cut through the BS of the 'Richard Craniums' unable to argue a point in a civil manner.
    “People generally quarrel because they cannot argue." G K Chesterton

    • @AlonzoHarris235
      @AlonzoHarris235 Месяц назад

      @@Adam_without_Eve
      He has no knowledge.
      He is incoherent and argues in bad faith.
      These are his claims.
      1 the Quran is inspired by Satan.
      2 the Quran affirms the bible
      3 the Quran advises Christians to judge by the bible.
      He is basically arguing that Satan advises Christians to judge by the bible.🥴
      That’s how incoherent he is.
      You can’t be a Christian without refuting yourself.

  • @lahleholivia7398
    @lahleholivia7398 Месяц назад +14

    Fun fact -
    2 of the most important and famous Prophets in the Abrahamic faith, Isaiah and Jeremiah are not mentioned once in the Quran!

    • @Valconize
      @Valconize Месяц назад +7

      Yeh they probably hate Isaiah as much as they hate Paul. 😂

    • @AlonzoHarris235
      @AlonzoHarris235 Месяц назад

      What is the Abrahamic faith?
      The trinity from the 4th century?🥴🤣

    • @lahleholivia7398
      @lahleholivia7398 Месяц назад +8

      @@AlonzoHarris235 God doesn't use PDF files 🙃

    • @Valconize
      @Valconize Месяц назад +5

      @AlonzoHarris235 The Trinity is found throughout the Old Testament but Muslims don't even read the Bible so they wouldn't know about it. 😭😭

    • @AlonzoHarris235
      @AlonzoHarris235 Месяц назад

      @@lahleholivia7398
      Why does he command numbers 31:18?
      Why does he demand 32 young girls for himself in your bible?🥴

  • @StandOnTruth2010
    @StandOnTruth2010 Месяц назад +3

    I have to give Farid some credit though. This guy really does try to engage. I don't think it ever works out for him. But it makes me think he is sincere.

  • @ProfYaffle
    @ProfYaffle Месяц назад +7

    Chris digging out more new information

  • @SDF-c3z
    @SDF-c3z Месяц назад +11

    You cannot be a free thinker and believe in Islam

    • @imankhandaker6103
      @imankhandaker6103 Месяц назад

      But you can be a free-thinker - whilst suppressing other peoples beliefs?

    • @joyouskekistani6851
      @joyouskekistani6851 Месяц назад

      ​@@imankhandaker6103 you can be a free-thinker and acknowledge that certain theologies repress free-thinking, discourages critical thinking, and require ignorance to labeled as a virtue... That is how we save people from cults that pretend to be religions by acknowledging that fact or would you fight for the People's Temple movement or Mason family?

    • @imankhandaker6103
      @imankhandaker6103 Месяц назад

      @@joyouskekistani6851 Then you are not a free-thinker ... just a free-to-agree thinker. People are always free to think. They are not always free to SAY what they think.
      Democracy depends on : 'I disagree with what you say - but I defend, to the death, your right to say it. Voltaire, I think.

    • @Don-Royall
      @Don-Royall Месяц назад

      ​@@imankhandaker6103you don't even know what democracy is.

    • @imankhandaker6103
      @imankhandaker6103 Месяц назад

      @@Don-Royall I haven't said anything yet - just quoted Voltaire. Judging from your knee jerk reflexes - you are unlikely to ever learn.

  • @midimusicforever
    @midimusicforever Месяц назад +47

    Islam doesn't work.

    • @ImCarolB
      @ImCarolB Месяц назад +4

      That's it, in a nutshell.

    • @user-fq9te7nh6g
      @user-fq9te7nh6g Месяц назад

      Actually it does, sadly....it does.
      #justiceforAyesha😢

    • @user-fq9te7nh6g
      @user-fq9te7nh6g Месяц назад

      I didn't know that was actual link😅

    • @fishmud3264
      @fishmud3264 Месяц назад

      Say Inshallah 100 times and it does!

    • @Spoken-e5p
      @Spoken-e5p Месяц назад +1

      ​@@fishmud3264usless religion

  • @exmuslimAlonzoHarris
    @exmuslimAlonzoHarris Месяц назад +14

    Abduls believe in three qurans

    • @zarabees2123
      @zarabees2123 Месяц назад

      Balaam believe in man made god aka Jesus born of a woman

    • @BricWerk-l2m
      @BricWerk-l2m Месяц назад

      Alah is an Idol with no Sprit. Allah can’t enter creation yet comes down to the lowest heaven to hear your comment.

    • @maxirice3554
      @maxirice3554 Месяц назад +1

      There's at least 30+ different q'urans, all saying different things

    • @GoneJoka
      @GoneJoka Месяц назад

      ​@zarabees2123 thank you for the engagement pagan

    • @exmuslimAlonzoHarris
      @exmuslimAlonzoHarris Месяц назад +1

      @@zarabees2123
      allah implies baal is a creator just like him, sura 37.125 😂

  • @joseyglesias3743
    @joseyglesias3743 Месяц назад +3

    Brother Chris, can you debate Farid? He needs spiritual help.
    Thank you for another great video, Brother Chris. 😊

  • @theelite5580
    @theelite5580 Месяц назад +8

    Chris, Did you see Jakes new video on the Islamic Dilemma and how the Quran fixes stories like Moses' hand, Aaron making the golden calf, God resting on the sabbath, His whole argument is essentially that the author of the Quran needed to have intimate knowledge of our texts and therefore couldn't have affirmed it

    • @TestifyApologetics
      @TestifyApologetics Месяц назад +1

      I saw it. That's not intimate knowledge. They don't call Muhammad "the ear" for nothing. These are well known stories that would be passed orally that Muhammad either goofed up because he didn't remember them or he really didn't like parts of them and changed them. This is the same guy who wrote down that Mary was part of the Trinity and updated the apocryphal 7 sleepers narrative. I think he heard stuff orally and either goofed up the stories or thought he could improve the stories but none of this shows deep intimate knowledge or he wouldn't have added all these fables or made some of the obvious gaffes.
      Also if Muhammad was so intimately familiar with the Bible wouldn't he be the one to tell us that Paul was the guy who came around and messed everything up? And yet there's no peep of the arch heretic Paul. I hope Jake recovers but this argument is a really weak attempt.

    • @ImCarolB
      @ImCarolB Месяц назад +5

      I think Jake is torn between admitting that "the author" was familiar with our texts or familiar with pseudo-texts. Either position implies that the author was a human who was not all that familiar with actual texts and any affirmation was out of ignorance. In any case, from the Islamic perspective, the conveyer of this affirmation (Muhammad) proves himself unqualified to make any educated judgement. In any case, the preservation of the Torah and Injeel is proven by textual evidence and pure logistics, and the discrepancies between them and the Quran do not speak well for the Quran, if, in fact, the Quran claims to affirm the previous scriptures. To say that the Quran could not affirm previous scripture is to admit lack of knowledge on the part of the "author".

    • @justice70567
      @justice70567 Месяц назад

      ​​@@ImCarolB
      There are many disrepancies between the torah and the new testament. There are even internal disrepancies in the new testament. Your bible is a mess lol.

    • @ImCarolB
      @ImCarolB Месяц назад +1

      @@justice70567 How is that a response to what I wrote?

    • @cainblue448
      @cainblue448 Месяц назад +2

      @@ImCarolBIt’s not. Once you show him how Bible puts Quran to shame, it’s back to blaming corruption of man for outwitting their god.

  • @christopherquinn5899
    @christopherquinn5899 Месяц назад +7

    I have never found listening to Farid worthwhile: he never makes a good point.

    • @1968gadgetyo
      @1968gadgetyo Месяц назад +1

      @@christopherquinn5899 At least he’s better than Syfe Talks.

    • @christopherquinn5899
      @christopherquinn5899 Месяц назад +1

      @@1968gadgetyo I don’t know him. Thanks for the warning.

  • @Derek_Baumgartner
    @Derek_Baumgartner Месяц назад +2

    Thanks for what you do!

  • @exmuslimAlonzoHarris
    @exmuslimAlonzoHarris Месяц назад +10

    When talking to an abdul:
    Q. Is the injil the 4 Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
    Abdul: no, the injil was a revelation given to Jesus
    Q. What are the qurans?
    Abdul: The qurans are the revelations given to muhummud
    Q. So why do abduls accept the qurans from hafs, warsh and doori?
    Abdul: 👺

    • @TheLegend2000AD
      @TheLegend2000AD Месяц назад +3

      Alonzo Harris believes in 99 gods

    • @Daawah_Warrior
      @Daawah_Warrior Месяц назад

      Because these are RECITATIONS by these Reciters. Next question!

    • @exmuslimAlonzoHarris
      @exmuslimAlonzoHarris Месяц назад +5

      @@Daawah_Warrior
      Thank you for exposing your muslim double standards ✌️

    • @Daawah_Warrior
      @Daawah_Warrior Месяц назад

      @@exmuslimAlonzoHarris
      Double standards?
      Explain yourself

    • @1968gadgetyo
      @1968gadgetyo Месяц назад +1

      @@exmuslimAlonzoHarris Because ah-lah is the best of deceivers. He deceives all of Jesus followers. Than he gave revelation to Muhammad. But that also a fake revelation. Cause ah-lah gave the real revelation to Joseph Smith.
      Wait….. o
      I don’t understand the logic.

  • @nonomnismoriar9051
    @nonomnismoriar9051 Месяц назад

    Chris please do this: challenge Farid to quot what Ibn Qayyim al Jawziyya, already in the 14th century CE, says in his work "Ighathatu lahfaan min masaa'id ash-shaytan (إغاثة اللهفان من مصائد الشيطان)" concerning the THREE categories of scholarly views of his day regrding the preservation of previous Scriptures. It will be a catastrophic surprise for him and his fans, if he has the balls to do it, which he almost certainly won't.

  • @Topher3088
    @Topher3088 Месяц назад +2

    Farid is grasping at straws. Muslims come up against an occams razor when they look at the same evidence we do and are forced by their doctrine to conclude that an elaborate and nearly impossible set of events must have transpired. I'm more inclined to believe that galloping hoofsounds are more parsimoniously being caused by horses, not unicorns. I can't rule out unicorns 100% but i can say that its unreasonable enough that suggesting the possibility of that conclusion is just insulting the intelligence of everyone else in the discussion. The emperor has no clothes and its insanely obvious to everyone who takes the critical perspective of islam. No complex grandiose global plan and red string conspiracy tin foil hats necessary.

  • @sasa_sasa_sasa230
    @sasa_sasa_sasa230 Месяц назад +2

    @Chris At Speaker's Corner Ibn Temia believed that Torah is preserved, Gospels were nit Gospel of Jesus but was written by Apostols, +Ibn Qaim,,Ibn Temia 's student+ Al Razi belived that Torah adn Gosples are Authentic.
    I can provide you sources

  • @PUROROCK327
    @PUROROCK327 Месяц назад

    The Hold Music is next level!

  • @johnonymous1592
    @johnonymous1592 Месяц назад +4

    ​​Chris why don't you invite him on your channel for a discussion, that would be really helpful?

    • @ThePrimusCrusader
      @ThePrimusCrusader Месяц назад +9

      David wood has invited him many times to him channel. He unfortunately won't go onto anyone's channel. Definitely not Chris'. Farid doesn't debate. He only "responds"...sort of.

    • @TestifyApologetics
      @TestifyApologetics Месяц назад +10

      Farid talks to himself. He'd rather talk about you than to you.

    • @AlonzoHarris235
      @AlonzoHarris235 Месяц назад

      Chris believes in three gods.

    • @TheLegend2000AD
      @TheLegend2000AD Месяц назад +10

      Alonzo Harris believes in 99 gods

    • @ProfYaffle
      @ProfYaffle Месяц назад +1

      Farid needs not to be challenged

  • @lukegeorge2022
    @lukegeorge2022 28 дней назад +1

    I'm a Sufi of the Ismaili tradition and the two scholars he mentions Al Razi and Tabari affirm the Bible.
    The Ismailis (9th-11th century) affirmed the Bible and the crucifixion. Sahl Al Tustari who is very early said the Holy Spirit is God.
    Imam Ali in the book of unveiling said this "The Messiah is the one who rises with truth. He is the KING OF THIS WORLD AND THE HEREAFTER. He is mighty and Sublime. HE IS THE SUPREME WORD OF GOD"
    Injeel for Muslims is New Testament + Early Church Father writings. The Injeel says in 1 Timothy 3:15 that the Church preserves the truth.
    The trinity is also true. Our Ismaili scholars wrote about this.
    Heavenly Father = Divine Command
    The Son = Universal Intellect (The Pen) = Isa Al-Mesih
    The Holy Spirit = The Universal Soul = The preserved tablet
    "As for the trinity itself, this is an allusion to the two highest ranks" and then later says "It is spiritual sustenance for the Christians"
    Jafar Ibn Mansur al-Yaman
    The denial of the Trinity in the Qur'an just denies Modalism, Collyridians and Aryanism. It doesn't actually condemn what the Nicean creed believes in

    • @joygibbons5482
      @joygibbons5482 6 дней назад

      Thank you for that, it’s fascinating. The rejection of Modalism, Collyridians and Aryanism makes sense as they either risk fusing the differing aspects of God, incorrectly identifying the “persons” to use Trinitarian language, by adding Mary to the mix or create demigods. Trinitarian formulations attempt to avoid doing any of that but that’s often missed in debates.

  • @dftknight
    @dftknight Месяц назад +1

    Another response from Farid went up:
    Farid: This is the dumbest argument, because the Prophet Muhammed would never do something as dumb as endorse a book that contradicts him. And the early muslims would never be so dumb as to endorse such a view based on dogmatism either.
    Normal person: Yeah that would be a dumb thing to do.
    Normal person then reads all the quotes from Muhammed, the hadith where Mohammed endorses the Torah and places it on the judgement seat, all the quotes from the early muslims debating corruption and tahrif al-mana.
    Normal person: That would indeed be a dumb thing to do, but there's a abundance of evidence they did it.
    Bonus round:
    If no one would endorse a book that contradicts them, why do many Muslims argue the Trinity/Incarnation contradict the Old testament, given that many Trinitarians endorse the Old testament? The same questions can be applied to Muslims who argue Paul contradicts Jesus/Old Testament.

  • @ProfYaffle
    @ProfYaffle Месяц назад +2

    Chris, is the clap at the beginning a video production technique?

  • @justice70567
    @justice70567 Месяц назад +1

    I found one from before the 11th century:
    Al Jahiz ( 776ad- 868 AD), (Rad ala al-Nasara):
    ...They received their religion from four individuals, two of them according to their claim from the disciples John and Matthew, and two from those who responded later, al-mustajiba, Mark and Luke. These four were not safeguarded against error, forgetfulness, intention to lie, collusion on matters, agreement to share leadership and mutually allowing what had been allotted to each. If the [Christians] say: They were too fine to lie intentionally, had memories too good to forget anything, were far above making an error in the religion of God the exalted or losing anything committed to them; we say: The differences in their accounts of the Gospel, the contradictions in meaning of their writings, and their differences over The Messiah himself, together with the differences in their legal teachings are evidence that what we have said about them is correct and that you have been careless about them...

  • @gondala
    @gondala Месяц назад +1

    I don't think they will find early muslim scholars that support the torah and injil were textually corrupted, because it would contradict the quran itself. I do believe that if the scholar is closer and closer to the time of prophet, then people just believe everything what it said in Quran even though they didn't know what's inside the Torah and Injeel. The reason is, the verses confirming the Torah and Injeel are clear verses. Except if these verses are not clear, and people didn't understand it and so they asked for interpretation of it. But if we assume that Quran clearly mention that Torah and Injeel were corrupted in term of textual (scripture). Then, those people (Jews and Christians at the time of prophet muhammad) obviously would "react" and challenge the prophet and asked for evidences. But if we read the Quran, God ordered them (Jews and Christians) to uphold the laws in their scriptures, which indicates that their scriptures (Torah and Injeel) were still reliable.

  • @darrenscott4220
    @darrenscott4220 24 дня назад +1

    I simply don’t know why a Muslim scholars opinion would trump god. Allah said that the Torah was preserved so why are they now running to scholars?

    • @mohamedadnane2386
      @mohamedadnane2386 20 дней назад

      Quran dosent say it show me one verse where it says it

  • @user-ye5fx3ep1l
    @user-ye5fx3ep1l 28 дней назад +1

    Muslims dilemma emanates from the Quran itself which says the gospel was given to the people of the Book✍🏾 and the Old Testament given to the people of Israel 🇮🇱 BENI-ISRAEL☝️ Hence by confirming the scriptures of Christians and Jews, they are basically stuck with “trying to prove” that the Quran is the word of Allah, which is in direct contradiction with the Holy Scriptures of Christians and Jews!!!
    In other words, they’re stuck between a rock 🪨 and hard place!!!

  • @ACRC1977
    @ACRC1977 28 дней назад +1

    Farid just pushing out bland word sandwiches with no real value. His proof is not worth the paper it's written on.
    The shuffle must continue else it's admission that they're following a fairy tale.

  • @ic.xc.
    @ic.xc. Месяц назад +1

    Ohhh farid... 🫣🫣

  • @OrdoMallius
    @OrdoMallius Месяц назад +1

    Those flies in your room are getting out of hand

  • @RAZR53-4
    @RAZR53-4 Месяц назад

    You nailed it

  • @hislight8864
    @hislight8864 Месяц назад

    When he is out of argument he will say this 'it does'nt say that CP'😂😂😂 farid desprate

  • @bustinjieber7521
    @bustinjieber7521 Месяц назад

    You guys should have a conversation with Farid although the prediction will be he won't do that. His new video was quite funny though.

  • @danbit
    @danbit Месяц назад

    God bless you guys! I'm so excited for our Muslim brothers and sisters discovering the Gospel.. the freedom! the emancipation! the Salvation! We love you and we want to be in a family with you. Seek Christ! 🙏

  • @dollahmusa6705
    @dollahmusa6705 Месяц назад

    God bless you chris .

  • @cartoonmo5976
    @cartoonmo5976 Месяц назад +2

    FAO Farid!...
    Al-Jawab As-Sahih
    Sheikh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah
    Ibn Kathir Tafsir (Arabic) 3:56
    Al-Lah recounted their articles in the Qur’an, and he responded to each group, so they continued to do so close to three hundred years,
    وقد حكى الله مقالاتهم في القرآن، ورد على كل فريق، فاستمروا على ذلك قريباً من ثلثمائة سنة،
    Farid, your scholars not only affirm the preservation of our Scripture, but also the Disciples/Apostles, and the early Churchfathers, which by default affirms and authenticates their publications/works, aswel as Christianity!
    Now, here's what I want you (Farid) to prove to me/us......
    Prove that Jesus Christ, Incarnate, with a book called injil, and all the Prophets before His Incarnation, along with Christians, were all around during the time of Moses (7:155-157)!
    Show us a single Christian Scholar who've ever made that claim!

  • @northstar1690
    @northstar1690 Месяц назад

    1 Corinthians 7:36-38
    King James Version
    36 But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.

    • @solascriptura1536
      @solascriptura1536 Месяц назад

      Don't approach the Bible the same way you approach the corrupt Quran...
      1. The word IF proves that it is not allowed, and that the following sentence is going to provide a prescription should the incident occur in order to protect the virgin (not child)
      2. "But if any man think that he BEHAVETH himself uncomely toward his virgin"...Jews betrothed their children to other families so that when the two grow up then they can marry. If the man things he behaved in an unjust manner (not sleeping with her because she is still called a VIRGIN), then either they can call it off and it won't be a sin.
      3. "If she pass the flower of her age" proves she is still a virgin BEFORE menstruating and thus cannot be married at this age.
      Unfortunately for you Allah has no such knowledge of Jewish customs, all he can do is to lie against them and have his followers like you make up stories which a lot of id10Ts parrot all over the internet like yourself.

    • @1968gadgetyo
      @1968gadgetyo Месяц назад

      Please learn English. It means past her youth. So you think once she's starts menstruation means she past the flower? Only D hipickacu thinks that.

  • @mohamedadnane2386
    @mohamedadnane2386 20 дней назад +1

    Ong chris you gotta check your iq level man becouse this cant be real

  • @fishmud3264
    @fishmud3264 Месяц назад

    Muslims believe Jesus is coming back in the last days, why not Mohammad?

    • @mohamedadnane2386
      @mohamedadnane2386 20 дней назад

      Umm becouse prophet moahmed finished his job unlike jesus

  • @Mulhid_Al_Islam
    @Mulhid_Al_Islam Месяц назад

    touba touba astakhfar 😭🤘

  • @daudkhan1867
    @daudkhan1867 Месяц назад +1

    thats 17 minutes of my life i will never get back! Christopher - a man who talks but doesn't say anything

    • @marmoura11223
      @marmoura11223 Месяц назад +5

      The level of Chris is too much for you. Better watch cartoon on RUclips 😊

    • @daudkhan1867
      @daudkhan1867 29 дней назад +2

      @@marmoura11223 ruclips.net/video/PCDOQmP9c70/видео.htmlsi=xCry0dl44rOLyIvP Christopher has never recovered from this

  • @wmarkfish
    @wmarkfish Месяц назад

    Islam was broken as it rolled off the assembly line.

  • @TheoVonKing
    @TheoVonKing Месяц назад +1

    Sister Farida😢 this murtads and nejis... plz come here and defend

  • @megamind8901
    @megamind8901 Месяц назад

    Fareed is not the most intelligent dawagandist

  • @helloitsme1099
    @helloitsme1099 Месяц назад +2

    prophet muhammad himself said your scripture is corrupted, we dont even need scholars 🤣

    • @1968gadgetyo
      @1968gadgetyo Месяц назад +2

      @@helloitsme1099 Where? Chapter and verse? Go back and study your own Koran.

    • @Topher3088
      @Topher3088 Месяц назад +1

      Don't lie about your prophet and further disrespect him by not declaring peace on him.

    • @helloitsme1099
      @helloitsme1099 Месяц назад

      @@1968gadgetyo al mustadrak vol 5 page 240. know your place mushrik, not only that so did ibn abbas. not only that theres a story also about umar and a jew and the jew talked about verses thats non existent in your weak scripture. 🤣 oh and dead sea scroll affirms what ibn kathir said about the jews corrupting scripture regarding ishmael ,

    • @helloitsme1099
      @helloitsme1099 Месяц назад +1

      @@1968gadgetyo al mustadrak vol 5 240. behave mushrik. secondly ibn abbas affirmed it too. thirdly Jew came up to umar ibn khattab regarding what he read in torah and guess what that passage doesnt exist in todays scripture. fourth ibn kathir quoted the jews corrupted scripture regarding ishmael. guess what buddy dead sea scrolls affirms it 🤣

    • @collybever
      @collybever Месяц назад

      Odd that you trust so much in Mohammed but won't even make an effort to read "his book."
      Al Baqarah 2.97 Say, whoever is an enemy to Gabriel, he it was who brought it down upon thy heart by leave of Allah, confirming what was before it and for guidance and good tidings for the believers.
      Al Imran 3.3-4 He has sent down on you the Book with the truth, confirming what was before it, and He send down the Torah and the Gospel before as guidance for the people, as He (now) has sent down the Deliverance.
      Al Maida 5.47 Let the people of the gospel judge by what Allah have revealed therein, if any do fail to judge by (the light thereof) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel
      Al Maidah 5.68 - say: "O people of the Book! You have no ground to stand upon unless you stand fast by the Torah, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord.
      Al Kahf 18.25 Recite what you have been inspired of the Book of your Lord. No one can change His words, and you will find no refuge other than Him
      Yunus 10.94 If thou in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord.
      Al Anbya 21.7 And We did not send before you any but men to whom We sent revelation, so ask the followers of the Reminder if you do not know
      Of course you should be questioning the Quran because of the large amount of contradictions and errors, as well as the ungodly character of the author in some surahs. No adult will be able to defend it at the last judgement.

  • @northstar1690
    @northstar1690 Месяц назад

    Deuteronomy 23
    King James Version
    23 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord.
    2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.

    • @solascriptura1536
      @solascriptura1536 Месяц назад

      The priesthood was preserved to those who were pure bodily and spiritually. Unlike Allah who allows a child molester to be a prophet and call him the best example for all mankind.

  • @AlonzoHarris235
    @AlonzoHarris235 Месяц назад +1

    Chris believes in three gods.

    • @TheLegend2000AD
      @TheLegend2000AD Месяц назад +6

      Alonzo Harris believes in 99 gods

    • @solascriptura1536
      @solascriptura1536 Месяц назад +8

      Allah believes in three gods...al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. What are the NAMES of the three gods Chris believes in?

    • @gooseman4177
      @gooseman4177 Месяц назад +4

      Alonzo believes Mohammad is a god. Equal in rule with Allah.

    • @AlonzoHarris235
      @AlonzoHarris235 Месяц назад

      @@gooseman4177
      Is Jesus the triune god? Or is he another god?

    • @AlonzoHarris235
      @AlonzoHarris235 Месяц назад

      @@solascriptura1536
      Is Jesus the triune God? Or is he another God?