US, UK, French, Russian and Spanish subs probably all patrolling Gibraltar at the same time. Surprised they don't bump into each other. Oh wait... they do!
Fly was correct the layer is actually a thermocline layer. That is completely due to strong shift in seawater temperature across a relatively small change in depth. The temp delta T causes a change in density and concentration in salinity which causes sound waves to be reflected both above and below the layer. Ships and subs can use various sensors to determine where the layer is and then deploy towed arrays below or above. Depending on the depth, smart sub captains would move above and below the layer depending on the tactical situation and how they think the surface ship would act. This was 3-dimensional cat and mouse played over hours or days.
This is the layer of 4dgrees celsius water, where density is higher than both above and below, causeing strong diffraction and reflection of sound waves passing through, right?
When using wake homing torpedoes you have to lead the ships. You do not fire at the ship. You want the torpedo to cross the wake close behind the ship. Wake homing torpedoes are very dangerous when used correctly. You should have fired 4 wakes from one sub and 4 passives from the other sub.
In this situation, the Alpha would be the Hound. It would use its speed and ability to go very deep to attack the transports with lots of noise. It would actually try to get destroyers or frigates to follow it. In the meantime, the kilo would slowly and quietly get a solution on the transports firing from concealment and going dark as soon as possible.
This exactly. The Alfa was virtually immune to US antisubmarine tech for 20 years after it came into service, the Soviets likely didn't realise just how much advantage they had, but at close to 50 knots, made of titanium, small and maneuverable with Nuclear power it's ability to get in , shoot, then run away was unmatched. Sub Brief covers this well ,the US Nave knew they could hear the Alfa coming but had nothing in its arsenal that could do anything about it until the mid 80s
Cool Senario. The H-2s, H-3s and H-60s often do Helo Inflight Refueling where they lift a hose from the ship and fast refuel if they are needed back on station. So cool to see the trusty little Sea Sprites. HSL-94 was one of the last two H-2 Squadrons and was station not far from Philadelphia.
22:30 I believe you can select a weapon/salvo once, hold shift then select multiple targets, and it will fire whatever salvo type you initially selected at all the shift-held targets
Thanks for the video Cap, and feel better! I hope you had a fun Christmas with GR Baby! An expert may certainly correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe submarine counter-manuevers should generally include an immediate change of depth, speed, and heading after firing (which you did), but as soon as there's the threat of an enemy torpedo, I believe another course change is needed immediately. I believe you need to generally head in the opposite direction of the enemy torpedo to effectively try and outrange it/waste its fuel, and if the torpedo does lock onto your sub, I believe your best defensive is all the speed and maneuvering in the world (regardless of sound) to try and evade the seeker cone. Many of the subs can effectively go faster than many of the torpedoes that hunt them if you disregard cavitatiion.
I used to be the guy who shoots torpedoes and VLAs (vertical launch ASROC). I didn't have much confidence in their ability to acquire an underwater target until I got multiple hits (in a training environment, of course... not WW3). Turns out they're not too shabby for what they were designed for, as long as I worked up a good firing solution. I dropped multiple VLAs right on target with multiple re-acquires. I think I impressed the guys at the missile range. Ahh.... but I was downsized. I feel like the F22, sometimes.
For the community battles where people chose from a list up to certain points values you showed a spreadsheet with all of the traits of each ship. Is there any chance you could share that please as it would be great info to have available for setting up missions :) thanks
I also know there are delayed torps, if you had a convoy like this you would drop delay torps after you had a solid estimate of the course and speed and set the timers to activate the torpedoes at the approximate time the convoy was in the area. Very stealthy way to attack and the defenders would have a horrible time counter attacking because the deploying sub could be an hour away by the time they go active. Submarine technology is truely terrifying.
Why did I hear the line of from the hunt for red october "you arrogant ass, you've killed us" in my head when that dumb torpedo hit your own sub? Lol in all seriousness y'all should definitely do more sub stuff. I am loving this content!
With that sort of set-up, probably should have fired 2 torps at 2 ships, per sub. That way you would have a total of 4 torps from 1 sub going after 2 ships, with the other sub getting 4 torps on 2 ships as well. This would allow the different ships having to deal with 2 searching subs at the same time, making evading harder to do, as well as possibly getting 2 hits per ship, increasing chances of sinking quickly.
This reminds me of the book by Patrick Robinson called Nimitz Class. An Iraqi commandeered a Russian Kilo class submarine and successfully attacked an American Nimitz class carrier battle group. If you haven't read it, it's definitely worth checking out.
Wow, this video makes me think the Sea Power developers may have actually coded better US damage control into the game to account for better training and professional sailors/merchant seamen. These transport ships operate under the "US Military Sealift Command" at the direction of the US Navy and are crewed by US Navy officers (particularly due to the USN weapon and defensive systems onboard) and Merchant Marine officers, with a general crew trained as Civil Service Mariners (who are non-combatants). These ships are largely within the Sealift Command, and their ship names have a prefix of "USNS" for "United States Naval Ship," verus the standard USS for USN ships. The US operates the United States Merchant Marine Academy, which is similar to the other US military schools (the United States Military Academy, Naval Academy, Coast Guard Academy, and Air Force Academy), providing a top-tier general education/university degree while also producing officers for the United States Merchant Marine service. After graduation, in exchange for their university education, they must serve as Merchant Marine officers for five years and are also US Navy Reservists in case of wartime, where more trained sailors are needed. There's also six maritime academies operated by various state governments. Besides the USN officers and Merchant Marine officers onboard these US transport ships, the general crew is trained as Civil Service Mariners. I feel it's generally accepted that USN sailors (and those from most NATO countries) are trained to a higher quality than their Soviet/Russian counterparts, which includes continuous training and drills to ensure the best damage control possible if they were even under attack or a fire ever broke out onboard. This would be due to larger budgets dedicated to training, a 100% professional voluntary military, more career officers and NCO's leading to a very strong group of NCO's keeping the enlisted in-line and performing well, and finally, there's less overall corruption and hazing as found in Soviet/Russian military units (not to say the US has none, just a whole lot less). The drilling involves every sailor being assigned a specific job/role/location for firefighting efforts, assignments for engineering roles to try and repair systems, training to contain the ingress of water/fire throughout the ship using bulkheads, and repairing/plugging literal leaks in the ship's hull to slow the sinking.
Have you guys try to use ka25ts to guide Cruise missle from boats or submarines. I have read that it was ka25ts mission to use its radar dome to guide Cruise missiles from boat and submarine
They program them to dive down deep then start seeking. Also it’s a safety feature so they don’t hit merchants and stuff the subs might be hiding under.
@Fly Great mission. First thought was: "fish in a barrel" given the narrowing of Gibraltar. I wuz wrong. 😂 Sadly, I'm compelled to point out that in the intro, that may have been the worst Russian accent I've ever heard! 😜 Need to channel your inner Sean Connery, sir! (Teasing of course; be well and keep'm coming!)
Why can’t anti-sub torpedoes attack surface vessels? They might be not as effective as dedicated anti-surface torpedoes but they should be able to home in on ships, shouldn’t they?
Failsafe feature, since submarines are often using surface traffic to hide themselves behind it makes sense to have the dedicated ASW torpedoes ignore surface contacts when they are hunting submarines, making it easier to fish out any stalking submarine because the hunter is not afraid of friendly fire or collateral damage.: "Sir, I think that there may be a submarine hiding near that tanker over there." "Fire an ASW torpedo and keep monitoring for changes. If you hear a noisemaker send the helicopters with orders to drop sonar buoys and more ASW torpedoes until you hear an implosion."
I was just in Sacramento. Trust me, your torpedo would never survive what they’ve done to Highway 50. But, you are in luck, the politicians did enough damage for you.
Hope your health improves Cap, best wishes.
US, UK, French, Russian and Spanish subs probably all patrolling Gibraltar at the same time. Surprised they don't bump into each other. Oh wait... they do!
Navigational accidents comrade. No submarines here, juat us rocks.
are you referring to a specific incident?
Fly was correct the layer is actually a thermocline layer. That is completely due to strong shift in seawater temperature across a relatively small change in depth. The temp delta T causes a change in density and concentration in salinity which causes sound waves to be reflected both above and below the layer. Ships and subs can use various sensors to determine where the layer is and then deploy towed arrays below or above. Depending on the depth, smart sub captains would move above and below the layer depending on the tactical situation and how they think the surface ship would act. This was 3-dimensional cat and mouse played over hours or days.
Curious, if the Atlantic current stalled, how significantly would that affect subsurface warfare?
This is the layer of 4dgrees celsius water, where density is higher than both above and below, causeing strong diffraction and reflection of sound waves passing through, right?
When using wake homing torpedoes you have to lead the ships. You do not fire at the ship. You want the torpedo to cross the wake close behind the ship. Wake homing torpedoes are very dangerous when used correctly. You should have fired 4 wakes from one sub and 4 passives from the other sub.
Cap: Please just aim at that ship a hundred metres away from you!
Dumb torpedo: No, I don’t think I will…
sigh
In this situation, the Alpha would be the Hound. It would use its speed and ability to go very deep to attack the transports with lots of noise. It would actually try to get destroyers or frigates to follow it. In the meantime, the kilo would slowly and quietly get a solution on the transports firing from concealment and going dark as soon as possible.
We call that bait and hunter.
This exactly. The Alfa was virtually immune to US antisubmarine tech for 20 years after it came into service, the Soviets likely didn't realise just how much advantage they had, but at close to 50 knots, made of titanium, small and maneuverable with Nuclear power it's ability to get in , shoot, then run away was unmatched. Sub Brief covers this well ,the US Nave knew they could hear the Alfa coming but had nothing in its arsenal that could do anything about it until the mid 80s
Torp range is ten miles in a straight line. If you fire at 8, that only leaves two miles for circling around aimlessly.
Cool Senario. The H-2s, H-3s and H-60s often do Helo Inflight Refueling where they lift a hose from the ship and fast refuel if they are needed back on station. So cool to see the trusty little Sea Sprites. HSL-94 was one of the last two H-2 Squadrons and was station not far from Philadelphia.
22:30 I believe you can select a weapon/salvo once, hold shift then select multiple targets, and it will fire whatever salvo type you initially selected at all the shift-held targets
Thanks for the video Cap, and feel better! I hope you had a fun Christmas with GR Baby!
An expert may certainly correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe submarine counter-manuevers should generally include an immediate change of depth, speed, and heading after firing (which you did), but as soon as there's the threat of an enemy torpedo, I believe another course change is needed immediately. I believe you need to generally head in the opposite direction of the enemy torpedo to effectively try and outrange it/waste its fuel, and if the torpedo does lock onto your sub, I believe your best defensive is all the speed and maneuvering in the world (regardless of sound) to try and evade the seeker cone. Many of the subs can effectively go faster than many of the torpedoes that hunt them if you disregard cavitatiion.
I used to be the guy who shoots torpedoes and VLAs (vertical launch ASROC). I didn't have much confidence in their ability to acquire an underwater target until I got multiple hits (in a training environment, of course... not WW3). Turns out they're not too shabby for what they were designed for, as long as I worked up a good firing solution. I dropped multiple VLAs right on target with multiple re-acquires. I think I impressed the guys at the missile range. Ahh.... but I was downsized. I feel like the F22, sometimes.
For the community battles where people chose from a list up to certain points values you showed a spreadsheet with all of the traits of each ship. Is there any chance you could share that please as it would be great info to have available for setting up missions :) thanks
The layer can be temperature OR salinity of the water.
I also know there are delayed torps, if you had a convoy like this you would drop delay torps after you had a solid estimate of the course and speed and set the timers to activate the torpedoes at the approximate time the convoy was in the area. Very stealthy way to attack and the defenders would have a horrible time counter attacking because the deploying sub could be an hour away by the time they go active. Submarine technology is truely terrifying.
Get well soon! Gute Besserung!
Good thing OHP and its helos completely abandoned the cargo vessels they were assigned to protect…
Why did I hear the line of from the hunt for red october "you arrogant ass, you've killed us" in my head when that dumb torpedo hit your own sub? Lol in all seriousness y'all should definitely do more sub stuff. I am loving this content!
Damage model seems to need a little work.
Fly didn't say the mk13 on the ohp can fire the sm2 and asroc, because that would be totally incorrect. Mk13 actually fire the sm1mr and harpoon😂.
With that sort of set-up, probably should have fired 2 torps at 2 ships, per sub. That way you would have a total of 4 torps from 1 sub going after 2 ships, with the other sub getting 4 torps on 2 ships as well.
This would allow the different ships having to deal with 2 searching subs at the same time, making evading harder to do, as well as possibly getting 2 hits per ship, increasing chances of sinking quickly.
Ah yes, the dreaded Aplha class SSN.
(I really enjoy your videos, but when I saw the thumbnail I couldn't resist)
Is there any way to turn down the game's background noise a smidge? Engine, missile, & torpedo noise can be a bit much. Well done, otherwise.
Nice work! Thank you! Feel better Cap!
Firing a torpedo gets more difficult the deeper you are. HP air is a valuable resource and is needed to shoot when moving.
Poor Cap! Always seems to be catching a nasty bug! Do you work in a biowarfare lab or something?😂 Get well soon, sir!
Kids are minging, especially if they go to nursery or any group - they just freely share all the bugs.
Wake homing torpedoes track the sound of the ships propulsion so will ALWAYS hit the stern.
This reminds me of the book by Patrick Robinson called Nimitz Class. An Iraqi commandeered a Russian Kilo class submarine and successfully attacked an American Nimitz class carrier battle group.
If you haven't read it, it's definitely worth checking out.
This torpedo is really starting to hack me off....
Wow, this video makes me think the Sea Power developers may have actually coded better US damage control into the game to account for better training and professional sailors/merchant seamen.
These transport ships operate under the "US Military Sealift Command" at the direction of the US Navy and are crewed by US Navy officers (particularly due to the USN weapon and defensive systems onboard) and Merchant Marine officers, with a general crew trained as Civil Service Mariners (who are non-combatants). These ships are largely within the Sealift Command, and their ship names have a prefix of "USNS" for "United States Naval Ship," verus the standard USS for USN ships.
The US operates the United States Merchant Marine Academy, which is similar to the other US military schools (the United States Military Academy, Naval Academy, Coast Guard Academy, and Air Force Academy), providing a top-tier general education/university degree while also producing officers for the United States Merchant Marine service. After graduation, in exchange for their university education, they must serve as Merchant Marine officers for five years and are also US Navy Reservists in case of wartime, where more trained sailors are needed. There's also six maritime academies operated by various state governments. Besides the USN officers and Merchant Marine officers onboard these US transport ships, the general crew is trained as Civil Service Mariners.
I feel it's generally accepted that USN sailors (and those from most NATO countries) are trained to a higher quality than their Soviet/Russian counterparts, which includes continuous training and drills to ensure the best damage control possible if they were even under attack or a fire ever broke out onboard. This would be due to larger budgets dedicated to training, a 100% professional voluntary military, more career officers and NCO's leading to a very strong group of NCO's keeping the enlisted in-line and performing well, and finally, there's less overall corruption and hazing as found in Soviet/Russian military units (not to say the US has none, just a whole lot less).
The drilling involves every sailor being assigned a specific job/role/location for firefighting efforts, assignments for engineering roles to try and repair systems, training to contain the ingress of water/fire throughout the ship using bulkheads, and repairing/plugging literal leaks in the ship's hull to slow the sinking.
i’m thinking about getting this game, it looks really interesting
Get well soon Cap. Don’t forget your towed array’s 😊
BTW, NOT a 'Torp' but either a 'Fish' or 'Torpedo'.
the deeper you are you will need more air pressure to lauch a torp.
Have you guys try to use ka25ts to guide Cruise missle from boats or submarines. I have read that it was ka25ts mission to use its radar dome to guide Cruise missiles from boat and submarine
Ah the Alfa Class, does 40kts but the whole Ocean can hear you :D
Closer to 50 and in its prime the USN could hear it but had nothing at all that could stop it , at least not until the mid to late 1980s.
What would make a torpedo anti-submarine only?
They program them to dive down deep then start seeking. Also it’s a safety feature so they don’t hit merchants and stuff the subs might be hiding under.
Those wake homing torps felt kinda buggy, a hit would blow the back half of the ship away if hitting a transport.
Hope the Kilo has a full battery. The Alfa has a titanium hull. I almost called it an Akula. 😂😂
"You're an a--hole, you have killed us!!" 😂😂
The only ship you sunk was your own sub, lol.
Torpedoes are too "high" for this 😂
Are these battles uploaded on steam ?
16:18 Uh, did he just say that the OHP's gun is a 20 INCH?
Sinking by the stern. Is suspiciously similar to the Russian vessel reccently… off Gibraltar… it’s almost as if a mini torpedo hit it…
I won’t pretend to know, but why do modern military supply ships not have countermeasures?
Red Ramage had to surface and use the deck gun because his torpedoes were garbage.
The name of Cap's sub must have been Kamchatka 😆
currently their is a known bug with most torpedoes where they turn away from contact just short of it 😕
The torpedo damage is way under modeled.
wait till you get to high speed and turn hard to form a knuckle in the water then pop a noise maker!
Couldn't find the mission in the discord
The setup of this mission wasn’t good. The Perry just ran off and left the support ships to their fate rather than hunting you down.
Try Möllers Total for some month.
@Fly Great mission. First thought was: "fish in a barrel" given the narrowing of Gibraltar. I wuz wrong. 😂 Sadly, I'm compelled to point out that in the intro, that may have been the worst Russian accent I've ever heard! 😜 Need to channel your inner Sean Connery, sir! (Teasing of course; be well and keep'm coming!)
Not enough counter submarine stuff, way too easy.
I suggest studying the specifications of the weapons used to make the best use of them. Disappointing performance.
APLHA
lol oops
Why can’t anti-sub torpedoes attack surface vessels? They might be not as effective as dedicated anti-surface torpedoes but they should be able to home in on ships, shouldn’t they?
Failsafe feature, since submarines are often using surface traffic to hide themselves behind it makes sense to have the dedicated ASW torpedoes ignore surface contacts when they are hunting submarines, making it easier to fish out any stalking submarine because the hunter is not afraid of friendly fire or collateral damage.:
"Sir, I think that there may be a submarine hiding near that tanker over there."
"Fire an ASW torpedo and keep monitoring for changes. If you hear a noisemaker send the helicopters with orders to drop sonar buoys and more ASW torpedoes until you hear an implosion."
Any chance to make a video featuring the new Chinese jet?
That thing looks completely nuts.
Let’s go first comment. Great vid btw pls more sea power!
Edit:
Get better soon
Are you a child in 2009? No one cares.
like watching my stupid robot lawnmower.....
Watching my Roomba is infuriating sometimes
I was just in Sacramento. Trust me, your torpedo would never survive what they’ve done to Highway 50. But, you are in luck, the politicians did enough damage for you.
RUSKI TORPS SEARCH IN AN S PATTERN.
.....
the damned subs are for real sunked before attack
this will never work for real