Thing about the defiant, its a double edged sword. To equip all that extra grunt, the systems needed direct lines to the warp core so they had no safety features. If they ever had to eject the core. the defiant would be a lifeless tomb in space no shields, no weapons, no propulsion, no communications
She's built to take a hit but she's built to hit back harder. I always thought in the Odessy battle that the Dominion already had some experience attacking Starfleet ships that had gone missing in the Gamma Quadrant.
Very good point as from the beginning when the first Federation ships entered the newly discovered wormhole and began exploring the Gamma Quadrant the Founders who always thinking long term were Carely planning a potential future invasion of the Alpha Quadrant by first analyzing Federation ships strengths and weakness etc. and so were as always 2 steps ahead so the Odessy didnt stand a chance.
I wonder why starfleet never wound a way to either mound defiant class ship tp the support post of the nebula or never made a nebula pod thay can carry like 5 defiant class ship? Wpuld dave on defiant fuel resourced getting to the battle being carried in fleet operations
The weakness of the Defiants is their heavy reliance on resupply. The Excelsiors, Ambassadors, Nebulas, and Galaxies could operate unsupported and create their own supply bases with onboard equipment. Those bigger ships probably could offer better electronic warfare options because of their big science packages.
you're not giving the Odyssey mush credit whare credit is do. the Odyssey was fighting the jamadar with out shields for 10 min. before they was token out
I didn't mean to give that opinion at all. The Galaxy is a strong tough Vessel... My point of showing the Odyssey, how much damage it took was showing you how incredibly powerful that defined actually is. Not saying galaxies weak, By any means.
There is a reason that the best bird of prey ship os the defiant which double as starfleet war ship heave escort designed to fight the borg. It happened that defiant can fight other enemies too amd dp some light science mission example one tiny little ship ds9 episode
Based on the defiant and lakota fight. I have a theory that the excelsior class lakota would of been testing out sovergine class warp core and sovergine phaser banks and testing the sovergine class quantom topedeo luancher. Was lakota after refit had extreamly limited science labs only being limited to the science labs in lakata suacer.
The federation quickly solved the dominion poloron shield issue so imho its not quit fair to compare federation tech in this first encounter. In the end it was pretty clear that the technological capabilities of the federation were superior in the end. The novels flesh this out and probably a better source than a table top game that is like dungeons of dragons damage point systems. There was no actual technological gap it was just that the Federation had never encountered the Dominion and any disparity was quickly solved and overcome. And the analysis taking ships and comparing them to one another is silly imho since these star-ships are not static designs and platforms. This defiant vrs enterprise d is really dumb since a galaxy class from 2075 would probably take a defiant class. This is becasue all star ships are updated and maintained to the latest technology that can be adapted to the space frame. The Lakota example you gave is a perfect example of this as a excelsior frame can be upgraded to be a match for the defiant so you think the Galaxy and Nebula's were not upgraded as well is stupid. Again read the novels this is all fleshed out.
The other video had a copyright issue. I'm dealing with it. I'll bring it back after I fix it.
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Thing about the defiant, its a double edged sword.
To equip all that extra grunt, the systems needed direct lines to the warp core so they had no safety features. If they ever had to eject the core.
the defiant would be a lifeless tomb in space no shields, no weapons, no propulsion, no communications
The Defiant has flaws, but she has teeth, as well as Sisko's Dyson Sphere-sized balls.
How many upgades did cheif Miles O'Brain added to tue defiant while stationed at ds9?
A lot ....
The Dominion upgraded Galaxy Class AKA the Galaxy with 4 launchers and additional phasers would stomp the defiant.
Yeah I agree. A galaxy-class Dominion War upgrade is is it true battleship
She's built to take a hit but she's built to hit back harder. I always thought in the Odessy battle that the Dominion already had some experience attacking Starfleet ships that had gone missing in the Gamma Quadrant.
Very good point as from the beginning when the first Federation ships entered the newly discovered wormhole and began exploring the Gamma Quadrant the Founders who always thinking long term were Carely planning a potential future invasion of the Alpha Quadrant by first analyzing Federation ships strengths and weakness etc. and so were as always 2 steps ahead so the Odessy didnt stand a chance.
I wonder why starfleet never wound a way to either mound defiant class ship tp the support post of the nebula or never made a nebula pod thay can carry like 5 defiant class ship? Wpuld dave on defiant fuel resourced getting to the battle being carried in fleet operations
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Defiant cost by this i mean time to make ship and parts for it costly, but good qestion
The weakness of the Defiants is their heavy reliance on resupply. The Excelsiors, Ambassadors, Nebulas, and Galaxies could operate unsupported and create their own supply bases with onboard equipment. Those bigger ships probably could offer better electronic warfare options because of their big science packages.
Like I said, the manual for deep space. 9 says there's 20 % difference.
you're not giving the Odyssey mush credit whare credit is do. the Odyssey was fighting the jamadar with out shields for 10 min. before they was token out
I didn't mean to give that opinion at all. The Galaxy is a strong tough Vessel... My point of showing the Odyssey, how much damage it took was showing you how incredibly powerful that defined actually is. Not saying galaxies weak, By any means.
I assume your auto correct doesn't work?
@trekwars5400 There are at least 15 to 20 shots to the odyssey that wouldn't have been counted for do time jumping.
A Defiant vs a Species 8472 ship. Lets do it.
How thick is defiant hall with abadive armout? Sound l like up to 20 to 30 centimerters thick.
Not sure I didn't see anything with that data, but it did say the hull is standard like Galaxy but has a layer over it that's the armor system..
A lot of sources say 20 cm.
@@dermagnus8482 that is awesome any chance you could link me your resource.
@@trekwars5400 most I know are older but even the newer ones are,easily found in Google.
I try to link some but RUclips hates links.
@@trekwars5400 Ah, I see the links are already deleted.
How I have guessed.
There is a reason that the best bird of prey ship os the defiant which double as starfleet war ship heave escort designed to fight the borg. It happened that defiant can fight other enemies too amd dp some light science mission example one tiny little ship ds9 episode
Great video hindered by so many basic spelling errors
AKA Sisko's pimp hand
Tough little ship.
Based on the defiant and lakota fight. I have a theory that the excelsior class lakota would of been testing out sovergine class warp core and sovergine phaser banks and testing the sovergine class quantom topedeo luancher. Was lakota after refit had extreamly limited science labs only being limited to the science labs in lakata suacer.
Wow ..... I didn't think about that.
Nearly got its butt kicked fighting the Klingons, dominion, & the Borg. Nice ship, didn’t live up to the hype
Vid's cool but the narration stopped mid-way through, which threw me a bit.
AKA Sisko's Pimp ✋ 😅
It's as strong or as weak as the plot needs it to be.
The federation quickly solved the dominion poloron shield issue so imho its not quit fair to compare federation tech in this first encounter. In the end it was pretty clear that the technological capabilities of the federation were superior in the end. The novels flesh this out and probably a better source than a table top game that is like dungeons of dragons damage point systems. There was no actual technological gap it was just that the Federation had never encountered the Dominion and any disparity was quickly solved and overcome. And the analysis taking ships and comparing them to one another is silly imho since these star-ships are not static designs and platforms. This defiant vrs enterprise d is really dumb since a galaxy class from 2075 would probably take a defiant class. This is becasue all star ships are updated and maintained to the latest technology that can be adapted to the space frame. The Lakota example you gave is a perfect example of this as a excelsior frame can be upgraded to be a match for the defiant so you think the Galaxy and Nebula's were not upgraded as well is stupid. Again read the novels this is all fleshed out.
IM a Tad worried. He believes Star Trek is Real ! 😮
Dude, the people writing the scripts are not NEARLY as detail minded as you give them credit for. These numbers are, IMO, kinda BS. ;)
WTF has time for this stuff seriously?